HELLO! TerminalMontage just released another Pokemon Battle Royale! And once again I helped by doing the research and writing. Now in THIS video, I'm going to explain some of the finer details, as well as why certain things happen, including why certain Pokemon fared so well and even won!
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Chapters:
00:00 Oh yeah! New Battle Royale!
00:47 Why No Sylveon or Raichu?
01:21 Explaining Bits of the Battle!
09:05 Why the Fire Types?
14:14 Why Pikachu V Blaziken?
Gnoggin, hosted by its creator Lockstin, is a show delving into the mysteries of Pokemon! (and other games sometimes too). Explaining everything there is to explain! Why is each Pokemon given the type it has? What are their origins? What is the lore of the Pokemon world and the design inspirations? And what does it all have to do with alchemy? Let's Go find out!
Bonus deleted scenes for the bottom of the description!
One joke I wrote but Jeremy (rightfully) cut was Eevee finding a Waterstone, looking at it with vehement disgust, and then moving on... if you know you know.
Serperior and Quaquaval originally had a much more intense... binding moment... it was reduced to under a second for your sake... I, I really don't know what was going on with me while writing this one...
You'll notice there's a semi-secret second Eevee at the end of the Eeveeloutions scene. Earlier drafts of this royale feature multiple copies of some of the starters, such as Partner Pikachu AND regular Pikachu from Yellow, or 2 different Rowlets for example, one for Sun and Moon, and one for Legends Arceus. The semi-secret second Eevee has a Katana, it's the Eevee from Conquest specifically, it was left as just a small visual gag/nod to that. Also at one point, I considered including the many starter Pokemon from Pokemon Battle Revolution too, but ultimately that would add too many Pokemon that most people would just be confused by... So we left it to the main game's Starter Pokemon.
HOOOO BOI! That last fight was INTENSE! Had a lot of fun working on this with you and loved the analysis and reasoning behind everything!
Hell yeah! I loved the “Toughed It Out” bit! You outdid yourself dude!
Okay but how did Rillaboom survive?
Terminal dropping w’s
If only you released the top 10 boss fights highlight video later. That would’ve been top 5 easily
bro it was hilarious!!! i loved it!!
Im proud of my boy Swampert for holding out for so long
They hoed my Boy Swampert at the end but he did his best
Personally I feel the same but for Emboar
Same.
Surprised with mons like Inteleon were doing well enough
🗿
Question: how was Rillaboom able to survive the fire explosion to later take out Swampert, while clearly being on fire during the explosion?
Because it's funny monkey killing Swampert for comedic purposes.
I think that, when it fell down the hole, it landed in water.
@@andreaspaghetti7342 yeah but I like Swampert :(
The comments back on the br mentioned grassy rush. I’m not too educated on Pokémon, but it seems like that one move grants Rillaboom a slight chance of just barely making through the carnage, but only to finish off one water type before falling itself. It seems to make sense, but if you’re still doubtful, the comment thread puts it in better words
Swampert's main thing besides being an absolute beast of a mon is that it can die to a particularly sharp blade of grass, so someone with grass typing needed to stick around.
Another factor in Pikachu's favour: The Light Ball item, which doubles Pikachu's attack _and_ special attack!
It had Air Balloons, i think.
@@stattickshark8112It can use balloons outside of battle
Partner Pikachu can not hold items
@@alexandergotze3323 I think that was more of a limitation of the games since no Pokémon could hold items in LGPE (except for mega stones, though whether those are "held" is debatable). Since Partner Pikachu cannot be transferred to games with held items, it's up to interpretation.
@@Qaos that doesn't mean it should be allowed to hold an item that just straight up doesn't exist in its only game
I still think Piplup was robbed.
Rip piplup, didn't deserve to die by being crushed
Mudkip and oshawott for me
R.I.P. Piplup, died as he lived. Like a puddle on the ground.
@gnoggin I have one quick question I know you mentioned smogon but what about vgc? Incinaroar has been great in vgc consistently. I was just unsure because in the beginning you mentioned vgc and even used it in the past. I’m not even annoyed or anything I am just genuinely unsure.
Rip TCNick3
I figured the reason for Charizard picking Typhlosion for its opponent was because they have the same stats, so Charizard saw Typhlosion as an equal.
"Finally, a worthy opponent. Are battle will be LEGENDARY!" - Charizard probably
You’re right it’s even more perfect lol
No megas
@@DaSicknesswhen were we talking about megas
AT last \-also charizard probably
I guess "ground types being resistant to fire" is such a common misconception that even I forgot about it until it was pointed out in the comments (meaning Torterra would have still taken super effective damage from Typhlosion). It was still a fun video nonetheless.
Charizard survived that explosion ground zero, so I don’t really think it’s too extreme to expect the defense focused thing really far away to survive such an attack. I would’ve preferred if they showed it being burned or something but surviving to take down swampert instead.
@@alexandergreene461 I mean in Charizard's case I think they took into account it's fire v fire resistance and its base stats among the overall Pokemon. I can't really say if Torterra would have survived regardless due to its stats (although it was kinda awesome to see it get that far either way).
its a common mistake because rock resists fire and there are too many rock/ground-types
Rock and ground get confused once in a while.
Yep, the fact is that Ground doesn't resist Fire
As a swampert lover, i am proud of him for holding off the fire eemons
The "friendship" stat is indeed op
He could have used quick attack
The amount of battles I've seen being saved by it is crazy
Friendship needs a nerf next patch.
Who was he friends with though.... 🤔
@@Agent719with you, the viewer.
That shot of Delphox fending off the explosion looks badass 🔥🔥🔥
It took a page out of "parrying a nuke."
Reminding of a Jedi hold back an explosion, like Anakin in Star Wars the Clone War.
@@paulwayne8367 Grogu in the Mandolorian S3 😆
Totally agree
reminded me of riku in kh3, fending off the horde
The burn status, cutting their attack in half doesn’t really matter for most of the water type starter since most of them have special water type moves
If we're being honest, this whole battle royale is full of holes. It's just that none of us can animate our own to then explain our reasoning.
@@mallios13 That's a cold take. Stuff is complex and there's a lot of factors that go into these. They did great.
@@mallios13 rule of cool and rule of funny will always trump small holes in these vids. they are intended to be entertaining first, accurate second.
But Swampert excels at physical attacks along with some other water starters like Quaquaval. So that may still play a factor especially with Quaquaval’s poor defences
@@ThePerfectSoniceh kinda not true, the legendary Battle Royale followed more logic and just added comedy to very logical stuff
I don't really see where Primarina's fairy typing hinders it, fairy is resisted by fire but not weak to it. Defensively, it would actually wall the fire/fighting mons while maintaining super effective water and neutral fairy moves on offense.
Neutral fairy moves? Fire resists fairy, not neutral. Additionally, the fire types have other options too. Charizard has flying, Hisuian Typhlosion and Skeledirge have ghost, etc. Sure, none of them are explicitly super effective, but Primarina isn't exactly bulky, and water type or not, it's not surviving long
It's neutral against the Fire/Fighting pokémon. @@juubi249
yeah idc if it wins but having it taken out by the one mon that is not effective against water or fairy is crazy lol. have it die to a venusaur or something
Similar with Swampert. It doesn't super resist fire type moves, like the video says. Fire is neutral against ground. Swampert just has a 2nd way to hit the fire types for super effective damage.
@@bobbob-iv4wei mean it's not effective but primarina in the lore uses it's voice to attack and throat chop just removes that entirely so it makes sense that incineroar kills it
Honestly, it is such a good coincidence that both the Pokémon infernape fought in the original were BOTH given regional forms
Too bad all that meant for Decidueye was that he'd be more effective in-game against Samurott. And not in bst or dex..
that too in HIS REGION
Ah yes... coincidence... mhm
Funny how he won when he was in disadvantage but lost when they were equals in term of typing.
@@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa2584 crazy how the dex works innit
I'm proud of how far my man swampert made it, but it felt a bit rough that he got taken out by a pokemon who already kinda seemed like they were out of the running
I was honestly expecting it to step on a blade of grass and explode, it would have mad more sense and be even funnier, I was wondering what lockstin was gonna say about why rilaboom came back, but nothing.
It's tricky, because Swampert is really good, and he'd go really far if we were just doing a comparison, but in a battle royale with 33% grass types, which Swampert is dealthy allergic to, he realistically wouldn't win. I think this was a compromise to have him get really far in the fight, but still inevitably lose to a grass type
Same, i was playing Pokemon emerald and i choose Mudkip as my starter, so i really like they do it.
@@aleksabanjevic8316 now i'm wishing they had done this lmao
THIS!! Everything else was justified- but that was a convenient wipe with no explanation...
The Grovyle time gear scene almost made me shed a tear
He didn't win but damnit he survived
He should've been the one to get swampert out of the game rather than the already dead rillaboom
I am incredibly sad that Empoleon was knocked out so quickly, but with Steel's weakness to Fire, I knew they weren't going to win. Empoleon is still the Starter Pokemon with the best typing (Water/Steel), but its good because of all the types Steel resists outside the Starter groups.
I’m more annoyed that charzard lasted so long. It’s funny how they use rule of comedy to give fire advantages but not disadvantages, I’m fine with the overall winner but charzard shouldn’t have made it this far.
@@skellva but him being eliminated by Pikachu was hilarious
@@skellvaIts ability to fly and avoid all of the nonsense happening on the ground is great for survival in a battle royale
@@alexandergotze3323 couldn’t you do the same thing with the water or the ground for ground pokemon and water types. Like I k ow there’s earthquake but considering how much lightning strikes happen you think the sky might be a bit dangerous
I think a fossil pokemon battle royale could be really interesting. You could have the original forms of the gen 8 fossils fighting and they keep swapping body parts on accident, and end up doing the spider man reference like the Typhlosians! I think this could be really cool, but that's just my opinion so let me know what you think, everyone! Also, did anyone else notice the hissuian balls at the start? Nice touch!
Jurassic park with island obliterating earthquakes let's go!
I'm not sure if the Gen 8 fossil Pokemon had official 'actual forms'. Their whole point was being Frankensteined like a certain museum did.
Praize the Helix
FOSSIL POKÉMON BATTLE ROYALE!
While an interesting idea, we don't exactly have an official front to Arcto and back to Zolt, so you don't have an exact model to create the Zoltarcto and or Zoltdraco. Love the idea. Just not enough canon to play with.
Favorite moment without a doubt was the double Decidueye beat down. The hilarity of Infernape dealing with it and Samurott only to repeat the process with their Hisuian forms a moment later was golden.
I'm happy Samurott appeared at all
I am happy Infernape had a dub before it got dunked. My fave deserved a Dub, even if it was recycled
@@justascarecrow6988 Infernape fave ganggggg
Realistically, Partner Eevee would dominate if allowed to use all of it's moves like anime Pokemon. It has access to dual screens, status cleanse, guaranteed paralyze and burn, stat reset, a 90bp drain and leech seed, none of its status moves can be taunted. Only Fairy can't be hit super effectively by it. It has the same friendship plot armor as Partner Pikachu. OH! And it has the ability to break 400 in every stat at the same time making it stronger than Arceus. Partner Eevee wasn't defeated by Muddy Water, it simply waits for a worthy challenger.
Partner Eevee wanted to evolve and not to win.
it didn't actually, like near the end before partner pikachu took out charizard, you could see the partner eevee stuck in the mud and blaziken just crushing it, poor eevee, didn't deserve to be crushed by the giant chicken
A Very *Low Kick...* Unfortunately, *Let's Go! Eevee's* Loss came through not the Games, but the Anime, as _it's Canonically the Same Eevee Partnered with Chloe in the Journeys Season,_ whereas *Let's Go! Pikachu* is presumably _Ash's Pikachu,_ and thus is also *Ash-Cap Pikachu!* Having _the Personality Quirks of Chloe's Eevee added to it_ is what led it to *be Obsessed with Evolution,* and what caused all of its Troubles in this Simulation. Otherwise, it might've been in a Similar Seating to *Let's Go! Pikachu* - though it may still have Fallen due to picking a Fight with something it couldn't Handle, _possibly being Defeated even Earlier because of such..._ *Let's Go! Pikachu* doesn't have any of those Issues, however, as gaining _the Status of being Ash's Pikachu_ would only make it *Even More OP, Gaining 10 Million-Volt Thunderbolt and Immeasurable Plot Armour such that it wasn't Feasible to include this Information in the Simulation!* As the *Let's Go! Games* didn't involve Ash from the Anime, but _the Game Series' Original Protagonist, Red,_ the Removal of the Anime Data for this Pikachu makes Sense, too...
I really wanted the starter Pikachu and Eevee fight over a Thunderstone, only to realize that neither could use it lol
TerminalMontage: "Type advantage is not everything." Also TerminalMontage: "Charizard is Flying-type, which is weak to Electric, so it loses." The animation is really good, but there are a lot of inconsistencies in it.
Yeah, especially in swamperts case where it even learns ice type moves to counter, and is really friggen bulky, but still gets destroyed by a randomass grass type just because. Yes 4X grass weakness is extremely bad but swampert can handle himself pretty well against them. Mostly. Also Primarina, but I already wrote an essay on that. Really good fight, mostly inaccurate.
I must randomly mention how incredibly underrated Pokémon Comquest is. I never see anyone talk about it but it’s one of my personal favorite Pokémon spin offs
I really want to get the game it seems fun!
It is literally the best game in the pokemon franchise as a whole and the fact that tpc barely marketed it, released it between black white 1 and 2, and forgot about it is a crime
Yes it's one of my favorite games in the entire series,only being beaten by the main games of the same generation Also hanbei,only Pokémon related character that canonically has tuberculosis.more people should know about this
Agree.
That game was perfection
Small correction, while offensively Swampert has two stab options, Ground does not in fact resist fire, making his resistance to fire only a usual resistance.
I had to look this up to be really sure, but the Fire-Typing is not super effective against the Ground-Typing. While no where does it say that Ground has any defenses to help it resist Fire, there's also nothing saying that it requires any defense against it either. My best guess is that do to the typing proving to be stronger and effective against Fire, the Ground-typing is used in the TerminalMontage video to display how it isn't affected by it, and how it practically negates any fire type move. So I guess it's resistant-adjacent, or it's just not really troubled by Fire. Despite this reasoning though, Torterra specifically is still a Grass-type Pokémon 😅. So it should've at least taken a little bit of damage from Fire-type moves, with the Ground-typing simply reducing the effects from being too critical. Heck, I could at least believe that Swampert was able to withstand all of that compared to Torterra do to it's double-Type advantage against Fire 😆.
yeah i was waiting for someone to comment this lol
Yeah, he mentioned it with torterra too.
he said that with torterra too, it may be more than small
@@2gredvisions8560de que hablas, el fuego al tierra es neutro
I think the hidden abilities of other pokemon would have been interesting to explore: Chlorophyll Venusaur using sleep powder and being fast Contrary Superior spamming Leaf Storm and powering up Protean Greninja being able to swap types
Flash Fire Typhlosion would've done wonders
Yeah, Blaziken getting an edge for hidden abilities, and Greninja getting shafted for non-protean typing feels like an oversight
Protean got nerfed pretty hard in S/V. It now only works for the first move you use.
@@sageofsong Yeah i kind of agree, like they said blaziken wins because of Speed boost but they don't use flash fire typholosion which would essential make him only take damage from torterra and the water starters, or contrary serperior spamming leaf storm or protein/libero greninja, meowscarada and cinderace. Still avery fun video
@@blackoutamvs6550meowscarada's flower trick is shown to have no effect on chesnaught. Chesnaught's hidden ability is bulletproof. It blocks all bomb, bullet and ball attacks. BUT Flower trick is actually NOT a bomb attack according to the games and therefore cannot be blocked by Bulletproof But for the sake of artistic liberty, lore accuracy,and lols, flower trick is a bomb, doesn't affect chesnaught in this animation.
I just wanna point out that ground doesn’t resist fire. Yes ground is super effective against fire but that’s where the relationship ends. Rock resists fire but ground is neutral to it so Torterra should have burned up by the explosion
Torterra is naturally bulky though.
@@GatorOne-in7hk have you ever seen it live a super effective fire attack or live healthy enough to take another one?
@@Dondozoisbeast1 Ground *was* Resistant to Fire in _the Generations Swampert and Torterra were the Starter Pokémon for, however_ - which is where I assume Lockstin took most of the Base Information from *concerning MovePools and Statistics, with Additions made from later Generations they also were Choosable Starters in* - this would Include the *Type Compatibility* of these Pokémon, which _was Changed in Gen 5 to Rebalance the Type Conflicts,_ which included *removing Ground's Resistance to Fire...*
@@lianaverwood9810 ground never resisted fire. I recently played through gen 4 and I can assure you my Infernape’s fire moves were super effective against Steelix who is and always was steel ground
@@lianaverwood9810 Ground never resisted fire, I played Diamant last week and my Torterra didn't survive that flamethrower😂
Fun fact: Blaziken was originally designed to be a legendary Pokémon of the third generations based on the official scrapped concept art. So the starter winning 1st place makes more sense.
Oh yeah! The half-Blaziken half-Lati mon.
Are we sure it was actually meant to be a legendary? Yeah, its design did end up being partially split off into Latias, but I'd always assumed it was meant to be a starter even then, but the other half of its design just got split off into the Lati twins. I could be wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen anything specifying it was meant to be a legendary, rather than just leading to the design of one.
Well Infernape was based off a literal god , but didn’t made it to the end so i don’t think Blaziken being originally a legendary would matter that much.
No, the beta wasn't meant to be a Legendary Blaziken was specifically designed to look ugly and unapealing, GF expected it to be the kind of mons that you drop into your PC as asap, hence why the Beta looks like ass. Then the Beta was just splitted into the modern Blaziken (still with the same "ugly" idea in mind), and the other traits lead to a Legendary in the Eon Duo.
@@jvbon646 "Then the Beta was just splitted into the modern Blaziken (still with the same "ugly" idea in mind)" Task failed successfully.
There IS a counter amongst the starters to blaziken, a really good one in fact: Skeledirge Fire ghost type means resisting/immunity to both of blaziken's STABs and having unaware means no amount of swords dance is going to break through it.
The singing mons got cooked unfortunately
@@DaFlyingSealyeah cause throat chop means silence
Well they vgs, anime. And card game also had weight in this judgement and Skeleboi is nowhere near good in any of those. While Incineroar is a top vgc pick for a very very long time, liked enough to be in smash brothers, and has that dark typing Skeleboi isn't too fond of.
Primarina and hisuian typhloshion can also counter It well
Earthquake
Remember that special edition Blaziken that got a constant speed boost due to its passive? It was one we received as a gift or something. Thats originally the reason I thought it won.
“Passive” 💀 That was being referenced
I always enjoy these. Maybe a Mystery Dungeon Player/Partner Battle Royale would be interesting. Most of them are just starters, but there are some interesting ones in there like Axew and Riolu; not to mention weaker but potentially funnier entries like Meowth and Togepi.
I'm super proud of Chestnaught for hanging in there, getting some fantastic hits in, and surviving so long, everything needed to be on fire for him to be KO'd offscreen.
Blaziken may be my boy, but Chesnaught will always be my (second) favorite grass starter
Chestnaught gang!!!
I'm happy that none of the Emboar line died first
Chesnaught best starter lets goooo Chesnaught lovers unite
"DISGUSTING!"
I really love that somehow sooble was able to survive until right before the final battle and actually took out a pokemon, that was funny
I think he went invisible
@@bestleefboi But only with Swampert
Yes he did and it worked
ngl, I thought Sobble taking out a mon is a reference to Pokemon Unite, it's Water Gun doing ridiculous damage
@@penguin_reader_yt9510no it took out cinderace
2:34 Ha! Scarlet and violet have done it! Blastoise ACTUALLY FIRES WATER FROM HIS CANNONS! now my boy won't be treated like a joke!
I am not kidding when I say that my partner Pikachu survived with one HP 6 times in a row when I was fighting against Mewtwo, so this ending was actually pretty accurate
I’m glad Meowscarada was able to survive the island wide explosion thanks to it’s quick wit. Also, as a massive PMD: Explorers fan, Grovyle having a Time Gear was an awesome little easter egg.
Meowscarada is also incredibly fast and if protean was taken into account it would probably would´ve been pretty high in the list of potential winners.
Im shocked thepost credits scene didnt involve a time travelling Grovyle
Yeah technically Grovyle is still alive
@@frstrspndr1478 The True Winner.
18:09 caught me so off guards, it‘s freakin‘ hilarious every time I watch it
How would primarina’s fairy water type hinder itself to three fire fighting types? I would expect those bubbles and the songs to crush those fire fighters
Yeah, Primaria should slay here, it should only have a really bad match up vs Venusaur here and Sceptile can probably blitz it but Losing to Incineroar the pokemon it was made to counter is crazy. But I do understand that the slow mermaid blasting from the beach with the highest special attack on the island is not entertaining.
@@alexchacha09the winner for the mega Pokémon Royale wasn’t entertaining but atleast it was accurate
Fire resists fairy but it isn’t super effective against fairy so it really wouldn’t make a difference, Primarina still undoubtedly has an advantage over a fire type.
It just came down to it Having to be Matched Up against Incineroar - who in the Games wouldn't stand a Chance, but with its PokéDex and Anime Capabilities Included, is actually a Hard Counter...
@@lianaverwood9810 In no scenario is Incineroar a hard counter to Primarina, there was no use ¨Pokedex and anime capabilities¨ please read Incineroar's pokedex entries yourself, the only things used are throat chop a weak dark type move that stops sound moves but Primarina has a diverse movepool beyond sound-based water attacks and a move from smash that KO primarina for.. flashy visuals?
Minor complaint: Feraligatr is not slow, as many of its PokeDex entries make claim that not only does it move fast, but it can move at incredible and even blinding speeds. Besides that, great video.
Yeah my boy Feraligatr got done dirty imo
his actual in-game speed stat probably counteracted that bringing him down to just average.
it's probably the actual gator issue; People don't think Crocs and Gators are fast until they see them move in the water. He went toe-to-toe with Blastoise in the water, but on land he was just "flat."
He got distracted, and Inteleon saw a free shot
Even the fastest sprinter on Earth is slow, from a bullet's perspective.
Did not expect to see a pmd reference but I was really happy to see it. Find it funny that Grovyle didn’t even die. He just used a time gear and left
He had no quarrel with the other Pokémon.
Time Travelled into the future to when Blaziken grows old and dies. Grovyle is the true winner.
I don't think anyone has ever time traveled by channeling a time gear before Still the reference was appreciated.
Yeah, grovyle travelled with celebis help. If we were using PMD Grovyle though, he'd win the entire thing easily.
And here I am shuddering about where he got that Time Gear from... I can only hope he put that back where it belongs in that tower otherwise... you may probably know what happens...
Personal take for the top 2 of each type: Grass- Chesnaught, Torterra Fire- Blaziken, Charizard Water- Swampert, Inteleon Chesnaught, and Torterra were able to servive the explosion. Chesnaught having the fighting type gives it the offensive buff and again, best protection. Blaziken, and Charizard for obvious reasons that were just explained. Swampert, and Inteleon for very different reasons. Inteleon as we saw was a quick sniper and was able to live past the explosion but then just got melted by pikachu. I feel like it would have shoot pikachu out of the air at the least even if pikachu survived the fall because of their plot armor. Meanwhile Swampert has amazing typing and strength. If they hides till the explosion, the pokemon that should have gotten it was Chesnaught cuz they also survived and are slightly faster. Tad salty that Rillaboom coming back from the dead just to kill them.. But if Swampert survives the grass, they would take out all the fire pokemon, and stand really good against pikachu. Just went back through the video.. We never actually see Chesnaught die, they're just randomly lying on the ground for a frame. I'm surprised they didn't get higher then Torterra on the list at the end....
Lockstin: blaziken is so powerful Incineroar: am I a joke to you?
I would like to add that Serperior is pretty consistently OU with its Contrary ability, so Leaf Storm spam would’ve been fun to see. I could also see it using its glare from Pokédex entries to intimidate and kill weaker Pokémon, before trying to use its glare and leaf storm on a fully evolved fire type and losing. Serperior’s just a personal favourite of mine.
My favorite is Snivy who has defeated ashes pikachu sooo maybe? (But of course he never really stood a realistic chance)
Wait question can serperior tank a acrobatis from quaquaval
Or out speed
While its ou viable, it rarely ever is used in ou. Its more used in very, very specific teams as a sweeper, but usually sticks to the lower tiers due to its bad coverage
@@matmateyo8807yes and yes. Serperior is faster like much much faster and has decent defense to tank a non STAB Acrobatic or just outspeed and hit with a stab 130 bp Leaf Storm that gets stronger
Something Lockstin completely Mandela Effect'ed here is that Ground does not resist Fire. He mentioned Torterra not being vaporized by the explosion because it's partially Ground type, and Swampert holding off EXTRA well against the Fire onslaught because of its additional resistance to Fire brought on by its Ground typing, but Ground doesn't actually resist Fire. I remember that tripping me up a lot too when my slower Ground mons would get eviscerated by faster Fire mons and I'd be crazy confused
kinda irritated me that he made the mistake twice
Least it didn't really have an effect on results. Torterra got KO'd right after, and Swampert is, well, Swampert
The only reason I ever remember is because of Steelix specifically. Steel is weak to fire, and ground dni, so Steelix is weak to fire. Why Steelix? I don't remember. Conquest, maybe.
Remember, it's not just Type Advantage he's talking about. Like how some of the starters avoided the earthquake by climbing a tree. Logically, a ground type would resist a wave of fire better than a tree without the ground augment. So more Anime Logic than game logic.
I think torterra survived because it is known to be one of the bulkiest starter
Some extra trivia about Swampert: Swampert is based on amphibians, which are very sensitive to subtle changes in the water, and will leave a body of water entirely if they detect the slightest disturbance or pollution levels way before other organisms. Even further, ecologists can use the presence of amphibians to help determine the health of an ecosystem in an area.
I knew Grovyle did something cool because I love it *from* Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, the fact that its cameo was a specific nod makes me SO happy! Thank you!
Makes sense Swampert wouldnt win due to 4x grass weakness (no matter how much I wanted it to win) but Rillaboom came out of no where and wasn't explained how it survived falling into the chasm, it felt like a cheap takeout
It was a cheap takeout, nevermind that everything that couldn’t Fly should have been put down by the double EQ and Surf.
Rillaboom used Grassy glide to get out of the chasm ig
@@christopherfleetwood5252 should’ve had charizard and swampert meet in a 1v1 and had charizard solar beam them into oblivion before going down to rock slide or hydro pump
I feel cheated
Would prefered just a dumb leaf falling from the sky then touching Swampert and TURNING HIM INTO DUST
The fact blaziken managed to win against 2 Pokémon who have moves that can be super effective against it (flying and water) is actually nuts
Is actually bullshit
Thats why he's ubers
For reference, blaziken can win a 1v1 with toxapex, something that should absolutely destroy it
He had been fighting the whole time, racking up speed boosts. Having a super-effective coverage attack only matters if you get to attack.
Blaziken is the goat also i was so scared pikachu was gonna somehow use his z move winning against him
LOKCSTIN, TERMINAL MONTAGE! I HAVE AN IDEA: What about a Pokémon Battle Royale of every Regional Variant *OR* better yet: a Pokémon Battle Royale of every Paradox form? I hear they have ridiculous ahh Pokédex entries 💀
My guy really said Charizard is a good OU/Uber pokemon lol😂😂😂
I was really hoping to see Typhlosion crawl out of the crater at the end because Seismic Toss only did 36 Damage.
not after using Explosion lol
@sadluciofrog "causing an explosion" and "using Explosion" are two different things entirely. Also Explosion is not in his movepool.
I can’t help but feel like Typhlosion got slept on here, the dude legit has the same stats as Charizard with less weaknesses. Not saying he should have won but kinda felt like he was just swept to the side.
@@jacobspicer4470 not to mention their ability to just abandon the type system entirely.
@jacobspicer4470 same it's also just annoying to see charizard At the top even in fan made stuff
The one "Umm actually" moment I caught was for Primarina. Its fairy typing should be a boon not a bane. Fairy resists Fighting and Dark. I think this comment was made in reference to the fact that Fire types resist Fairy. The only pokemon in this competition that resists both of its STABs is Venusaur.
and emploeon
You mean “boon”.
Yeah I was the same. And primarina, while it heavily relies on sound-based moves, does not exclusively need them to function. Incineroar, of all Pokémon, should not have defeated primarina with both its stabs resisted, assuming primarina had any non-sound stab move (moonblast, scald, etc).
Yeah, I wish Primarina lasted a bit more, even just one KO will be good enough. Anyone hoped that Primarina had a musical standoff with Skeledirge?
Aside from that one, I mainly scoffed at the claim of “Charizard VSTAR being the most powerful card.” It’s really not close which is funny. If he meant something like Charizard ex, then yeah it would make more sense, as that thing’s a menace, but it’s a Terastalized Pokémon so it doesn’t count.
This one felt a lot more biased more then the other battle royale videos. Mostly with the fire type starters
Fr Partner pikachu and eeve should have won
I get that a lot of it is subjective and just having fun but... Incineroar (Fire/Dark) taking a hit and then suplexing Primarina (Water/Fairy) into oblivion is certainly a take. Lockstin and Terminal did our girl dirty. 😔
TBF, Incineroar's gimmick in Smash is getting hit and just murdering things with Revenge, and they clearly pulled from that with how they killed Primarina
Correction. Skeledirge is in the UU tier this gen, not ubers. It sees use in Ubers because it can be used to wall koriadon, one of the premier threats of Ubers.
I also have literally no idea where they got infernape being ubers from. Its ou in gen 4 and it's not even like skeledirge where it's good in ubers. Also charizard has been OU like 3 times ever and that's if you count megas. Not a huge deal but there clearly wasn't a smogon player on the team for this video lol
Koraidon has Scale Shot now, and with Loaded Dice, it can actually just force a Tera Fairy on Skeledirge through sheer damage, worsening its matchup against a pokemon its much better against, Zacian-C.
@@hankboog462Yeah. To be fair, lockstin isnt a comprtitive player, but still, the research here is so off... Its weird to see that from lockstin tbh. He still has a point about fire starters being the best competitively speaking (speed boost blaziken, pre nerf libero cinderace, mega zard being the best gen 1 mega counts for something ig, infernape was the best one of the three in its original gen, although the one in OU atm is empoleon... The only gens where the fire type is absolutely not the best (possibly even the worst) are gens 5 and 6, really (i guess 7 in singles too, but if we consider vgc... Lol, incin) but still, a lot of the info is just... Wrong
He is also wrong about none of the starters being able to kill it except for Skelederge in competitive play. Unaware + Slack off makes him a hard counter. He also resists fire and immune to fighting stabs.
@@thundergamespt99 yeah. It's weird that they messed this up to me given that this info is all just there on the website and their tier is literally the first thing you see when you look at a pokemons page lmao. Not a huge deal, and with Blaziken in particular using Smogon as a reference for its power makes sense, but it's just weird
I love how impactful swampert was during the battle royale, but can't help but feel the entire line got cheated. Mudkip (understandably) got crumpled immediately, marshtomp got (unjustly) paired with quaxwell to get beat into the ground for being ugly, and then the funny grass monkey survives a direct hit from a massive fiery explosion and a who knows how deep fall, climbs back up, and just deletes swampert while it's in the middle of being badass
Tbf Swampert could’ve died from a sneeze coming from any grass type, they were just prolonging its existence for it to look cool and justified, which imo it IS. The rest of the line i agree with though
Your pokemon caused a catastrophic event, got multiple kills, and could've been instakilled by 1/3 the cast.
@@sanguinedeserter561 Here's the thing.. If Fire type dominates and wipe out all the grass before swampert dies to grass, then swampert should win. Gorillaboom already got punished in the animation. If they wanted swmapert to fall to a grass type, it should have been a lot earlier in the animation instead of just some random near the end.
Swampert death makes no literal sense, should've won
@@-Comet.At that point of the Battle there were no more grass types :) rillaboom was dead before
I really wanted Emboar to win but im happy Blaziken did it, its probably the closest pokemon to emboar and it was fun to see it overcame the plot armor of pikachu
I love how Grovyle popped outta there with a Time Gear. Bro's got places to be, stopping the Planet's Paralysis and all. I still remember him as my first time ever seeing a game character and going "Oh wait, you ain't really a bad guy!" 😂
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It’s been mentioned but man is it painful hearing ground repeatedly referred to as resisting fire 😭 Also my boy Primarina got done so dirty. Water/fairy is one of the best defensive typings in the game and though fire resists fairy it’s special attack stat should’ve been enough to cleave through way more of the competition. The fact that it lasted less time than decidueye did feels criminal
And the fact that it was beaten by Incineroar, a pokemon it resists 2x, even when its first attack should have killed Incineroar, is just total bs.
Or how the island got hit by two earthquakes and a tsunami and somehow the fire types were affected the least
Can you calm down? This was meant to not be taken seriously but yet here you are.
@@binxwaxcap7832Dude, what are you talking about? I was just talking about Pokémon game mechanics on a video about who would win based on Pokémon game mechanics. Who is taking this too seriously? Maybe you need to calm down.
@binxwaxcap7832 The only person that needs to calm down is you. You're getting butthurt just because a stranger on the internet is explaining a correction to someone who isn't even yourself.
I feel like if Dirge gets slack off, it is going to hold up well. It can be inherited as an egg move, and basically makes it into the best wall. Also on an unrelated note: kinda wish there was a little bit of Primarina's soul trying to follow the song to Skeledirge, even if it was easter egg that proved pointless.
i only play certain rom hacks now and most of them include a few major starter changes, sceptile/serperior becoming grass/dragon, emboar becoming fire/ground, samurat water/fighting, and sometimes feraligator as water/dark. i think a lot of these make sense and it’s a shame it’s not real
The fact that Pikachu lost to Blaziken purely bc people were tired of seeing it win is hilarious 😂😭
Also because at the end of the day, Pikachu is still fundamentally really weak
@@An_Entire_Lime That Pikachu was the equivalent of an isekai MC filled with busted skills god (Game freak) blessed them with and literal plot armor
outside of a 1 shot zappyzap pikachu cant beat blaziken, blaziken is just too fast and too hard hitting
That and Blaziken is just *that* much more busted
@@murlocmaster6192 Actually, Pikachu only really needs to roll 3 withstands, assuming the two are in a 1v1 situation, as Zippy Zap is a 4HKO. Remember, Partner Pikachu (due to friendship mechanics) has a 1/4 chance to just not be KOed by an incoming attack. Honestly, in the animation, it's unbelievable that Pikachu would roll _fifteen_ withstands and not win.
Can’t help but notice that the dex entry states that typhlosion’s blasts can turn ANYTHING into cinders, when the same logic is what got Charizard so far in the original battle royale. Glad to see Lockstin didn’t forget Zard’s biggest advantage here: Plot Armor (This is not meant to be a complaint in any way, just something I noticed and wanted clarity on)
See the thing is if its a battle of plot armour then zard doesn't hold a candle to pikachu
Probably why it was Char who took them out of the battle
@@travisz978True
@@DanJuegaman, I just wanted to see my boy Typhlosion (and Highphlosion) get some revenge on the Zard. He’s so underrated
@@jacobspicer4470 Don’t they have the same stats? I’m sure being able to fly it’s just too big of an advantage. And I am a Typhlosion guy myself.
Charizard being OU is a funny joke. It almost never gets above UU because of its quad rock weakness
2:13 that's why delphox was chilling with the grass starter vensaur and meganium aroma made her chilled
The only thing that would have really made the final showdown perfect would have been Rillaboom getting, i dunno, zapped by Partner Pikachu, or kicked by blazekin, causing it to lose its grip and fall into the pit, dragging Swampert with it. Right now it just feels like Rillaboom was allowed to survive purely to 'spite' Swampert.
they needed an excuse to remove swampert. and they found one.
yeah gotta agree cause swampert is immune to pickachu and has a 2x against blazeikin so that rillaboom thing was bull
@@birky0191I mean realistically swampert doesn’t make it that far when a third of the competitors can outspeed and OHKO it. Only one grass type is slower. So they can’t really show swampert winning when he doesn’t have the highest chance in winning.
@@christophercrane2323Earthquake + Surf beg to differ, as explained in the video. Swampert can easily deal with the majority of pokemon on the ground from far away range and none of the flying ones can easily take him out
Skeliderge is an amazing blaziken counter. Its typing resisting its stabs and having access to unaware makes it real well with blaziken.
Too bad it got cooked too early
Blaziken has A LOT of coverage though, including stone edge. And seeing it has speed boost, just protect first turn then stone edge on the second and its done
at most it might last longer in a 1v1 but blaziken would still out speed it normally and when it come down to even footing the pokemon that out speeds wins. other wise pikachu would have won with blaziken weaken and we all don't want that win.
@@hellsgunfireif we use lockstins on logic than we only using level up moves meaning blaziken probs wouldnt get very far saying alot of its strong suits arent in natural movepool
I did not understand anything of this (only ever played Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team, and never finished it, also never watched the anime) but I like the way these explaining videos are told and that’s what keeps me here 😂
tbh Torterra could have been in the last section if it didn't get tricked, it's still weak to fire (ground doesn't resist fire) but it's also stab super effective on it and it learns a lot of rock moves. And it even gets shell smash now. Besides, it's literally an entire continent!
Interestingly, Skeledirge isn't Uber because it's too powerful for OU. It's actually UnderUsed or UU by usage, but its incredibly specific set of traits make it great in Ubers yet bad in OU. Very few mons have this distinction outside of gimmicks like Ditto
Actually it did get to #1 recently with a mandabuzz pult team so it's still very usable with water Tera.
The Quagsire effect.
Oh yeah parasect in ubers was truely a moment
they overall fundamentally misunderstood Smogon
@@polkarfield I think they simplified it and used it in a way that fits narratively for the jokes
couple of corrections: -Skeledirge is a UU pokemon, not Ubers. It sees usage in Ubers thanks to being a great unaware wall, but it's not banned from OU. -Primarina's fairy typing actually doesn't hinder it, in fact it lets it resist the fighting STAB from the fire/fighting starters. Unfortunately, it's not too physically tanky, but it would hold out for a bit longer. -ground doesn't resist fire, you're probably thinking of rock, but yeah Swampert would still have a fighting chance overall, good video
competitive pokemon player here: in the start of gen 9 competitive, skeleridge was directly banned, not only skeleridge, but pokemons like: Last Respect Houndstone or Tidy up maushold
cinderace also was banned at some point at gen 8 and that gainned reputation for the rabbit
this happen with skeleridge, being the only starter in gen 9 getting banned
and sorry for my poor english
@@TheRadianceSun At no point has skeledirge or maushold been banned in smogon
Heya! I really recommend using the ideas from pokemon unite in battle royale vids! They visualized what pokemon moves would look like in actual poke battles and a lot of them look really cool! and it might help with creating scenes faster or making them cooler. (Honestly i just really want some unite appreciation because the devs sure aren't gonna give it to us)
I'm not a TCG expert but I think the reason Charizard cards rarely see play is because while they can hit for huge damagry, those attacks tend to be very expensive, typically requiring you to sacrifice energy cards.
At 11:56 the ground typing of swampert doesn't add to its Fire resistance but it does allow it to use another type of move super effective against fire
similar thing happened to primarina with the fairy typing. doesn’t make it weaker to fire it just not super effective against them and against most of them it’s neutral so it’s not really important.
Also Torterra. It ain't neutral to fire
I think Serperior could at least get special mention for its contrary ability, which inverts stat increases and decreases. When paired with leaf storm (which normally reduces its special attack by 2 stages), it can repeatedly use a powerful grass move that keeps getting stronger with every use. This has allowed it to dwell in OU for a few generations. No, I'm not salty it only got a few seconds of screen time.
Join the Quaquaval fans, we are sad together, we got one bit together and nothing else ):
i am salty it got only a few seconds of screen time. doing my fav dirty like that 😭 could've given it a cooler death at least. oh well, hi quaquaval fans nice to meet you
Mad about quaquaval screentime too
At least there was some good gen v representation with Samurott but it sucks that Serperior and the Snivy line as a whole got shafted. Hopefully there will be a chance for redemption in a later battle royale.
Yeah, it was weird that it got wiped by a surf of all things considering lockstin reasoning as it has been good in OU since its ability came out and is very speedy for dodging attacks not to mention it resist both earthquake and surf so I at least expected a fire type to take it out.
I could see infernape win, base on its stats (high speed and good offensive stats) and its ginormous move pool (fighting, fire, electric, ground moves hit all starters for super effective damage) and its super agile fighting style. But swampert would be a super cool winner aswell
When I saw Pikachu at the end I'm like, yeah this all checks out, thinking Gen 2 Pikachu with a Light Ball has a Special Stat comparable with Mewtwo's apparently (need confirmation). I had no idea that Let's Go Pikachu has a higher crit chance and just refuses to die. Coupled with anime Pikachu's plot armor, he's pretty busted. I respect giving the win to Blaziken (who i don't know anything about) & being tired of Pikachu, but I do feel like it's up in the air when Pikachu has access to his full franchise toolkit. Loved the videos 👍
Swampert's my favorite Pokemon so while I knew he had no chance of winning because of the grass types, I was elated seeing him still get respected in having his own section of fighting against all the fire types. Thank you for doing my boy justice.
The fact that he held out for as long as he did is amazing in its own right. Also he was my first starter, so I'm a tad bias.
I love the explanation of the sheer brokenness of Gen5 Blazeiken. It was funny to imagine everyone despising playing against this Pokémon because the moment you fight, you lost.
While I agree with Partner Pikachu, Primarina especially stands out as getting weirdly KO'd from nowhere. Sure, Inceniroar needs something to do, but Primarina was Swampert/Skelliderge levels of dominant, (on the single player side). And being the PERFECT counter to the Fire/Fighting combos... If Swampert and Primarina were together holding off the Fire/Fighting trio & Incineroar, it would have highlighted how boss the one random Fairy type is in such a spot.
Fr bro they kinda robbed primarina on this one
Chesnaught should've been the one to take down Swampert, not Rillaboom, who SOMEHOW came out of the pit no longer on fire.
There was ONE scene with the Snivy line. While the other Unova starters got love, Serperior was only used to swallow a bird, and I am enraged.
Servine was in the whirlpool too i believe, but WHERE WAS MY BOI SNIVY
You think that’s bad!? There were several jokes that could have been made about Quaquaval and all it did was get vored by a snake.
Serperior is my boy, I am so sad he got so wiped
@@kylewhite4984 Mention the busted hidden ability on blaziken but not Serperior who can get to +6 SpA in 3 turns while attacking with an incredibly high speed stat.
I do agree with all of this. That said, let’s be real, a full grass was never gonna get very far.
Heyo! KZhead is currently still processing a small cut I made to this where I sort of fundamentally don't understand how Smogons Tier system works. Thankfully I was using it as supplemental short-hand to simplify a ton of stuff in this explainer video, rather than those lists being a crux for who won and stuff. I've always tried to narrow it down to about 6 or so Pokemon before even looking that deeply at the competitive scene.
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Well I mean you do understand what they mean, but you don't understand wich pokemon is where at all XD
Sorry to nitpick but infernape is OU in gen 4 not Ubers. Great video!
I have a question, do you enjoy hurting deci?
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There are many possibilities you can't convince if starter pokemon fought this would happen 👍 thanks for your efforts
I loved the Pokémon Brick Bronze map reference since in that game you can choose from all starters
One thing missing was how none of the Pokemon started tearing up around Sobble when it started crying! Dex entries says Sobble's tears are hella pungent and makes anyone tear up around it when it cries, sad to see that detail missing here,,
Most around sobble were fire types so maybe thats why they couldnt cry?
I feel obligated to point out that Grovyle is still alive in the future, outliving Blaziken, making Grovyle the winner
Out of bounds
@@joegamergaming is it tho?, i mean, we do have Palkia, Dialga and Arceus, i'm sure it count.
@@thien0300 In the first pokemon battle and in the megas they specifically mention that Machamp punching Tyranitar off the island in the only way to defeat it but as it is "out of bounds" he loses anyway. The legendary battle had exceptions since the domains of several pokemon include celestial bodies such as Lunala, Rayquaza, Palkia, and Arceus. Plus Giratina who in that battle they mention can ring out people instantly with the reverse world.
This was amazing! I'm surprised Charizard and Pikachu made it so far! Keep it up, man. YEAH!
My favourite moment is when my 1st and 2nd favourite starters (probably 2 and 5 for overall favourites) used earthquakes, because ground is my favourite type, earthquake is my favourite move, and Torterra and Swampert were lovely, and perfectly respected
Strange how the Water Types killed each other so easily. But the fire types mostly survived blow for blow against each other
its called bias. bias is easier to convey, when you use strawman aguments in your explnation videos. and it worked out for the creator. like in war, there is no winners. and so does bias - there is no winners.
That’s what I was thinking… all those fire types survived an earthquake and surf at the end?
@@Pero-zl4jpIronically enough? Charizard being immune to earthquake makes it very realistic it'd survive. And if we use doubles/triples/battle royale (Thanks, Gen 7!) rules, spread moves having reduced damage means it's capable of tanking a surf or two as well. So it ends up being a fire type that can legitimately survive that onslaught. Give it (insert grass type move here) and... well... you'd know what'd happen.
yeah but every single water starter knows surf so they all should have used it
@@heat-seekingattackfrisbeem5878 no? Swampert is the only starter that learns surf. The other starters can only learn from hms
I think it’s weird you say Water doesn’t have much going for it because it’s one of the best defensive types in the game right next to steel and is one of the most popular terra types for that reason. Sure, it doesn’t have a lot of resistances but that just means you can count on not taking that much from literally everything but grass/electric
He’s also just flat out wrong about most of the pokemons tiering lmao
@@SuperTurboPOPyeah
@@dustin202saying charizard is ou or ubers is definitely drogas
Yo water bois wassup my guy
@@Someone-me1tx Only in gen 3. 6 and 7 IF you count the megas which we probably shouldn’t. Also wtf does he mean Pikachu was OU lol
Great breakdown! I was pretty sad to see *both* of my Typhlosion bois get taken out before getting a chance to actually fight anything, but everything else was a ton of fun to watch. You and TerminalMontage did an awesome job on this one. Also, THANK YOU for not letting Pikachu win. That stupid rodent doesn't deserve the crazy plot armor that it gets in canon.
Really hyped for a possible paradox Pokemon battle Royale
I noticed you’d brought up that Ground resists Fire a couple times, but that actually isn’t true! Though it would make sense, Ground is super effective against fire, but Fire is neutral to Ground. Still doesn’t change that much, that just gives the fire types a better chance lol But I figured I’d point it out just in case it would ever be of help in the future, or for anyone watching!
This the comment I was looking for.
I always thought ground resists fire, the more you know ig
I feel like it should be mentioned that ground doesn't resist fire, rock does. Torterra is still weak to fire and swampert has a regular resistance to it, not a 4x one.
yeah, why isn't anyone else pointing this out??
@@athath2010it’s one of those circumstances where you’d think creator would do more research on it but I’ll give them slack cause my boy swampert had that kill streak going. Also I don’t get how Primarina did so bad since fairy resist fire, fighting and dark. The type that was mostly in the finale of the fight. Edit- my bad, I meant water and fairy typing make Primarina resist fire, fighting and dark.
@@Bluejay575 fairy does not resist fire
@@Bluejay575 Fairy doesn't resist Fire, Fire resists Fairy
@@Bluejay575it's actually the other way around, fire resists fairy, although I think it woulda done better than it did since dark cancels it out and makes it neutral
No no, you all are correct on the victor. Good analysis! Love how Samurott, Infernape, and Decidueye did a repeat of what they did last time btw, that was hilarious.
I didnt know that stat breakdown on the fire types. Interesting to learn
Poipole being in the beginning made me smile, I frequently use that dex entry as evidence that we need a game set in Ultra Space where you start with a Poipole.
Please for the love of God. I have been saying an Ultra Recon Squad spinoff would be amazing.
issue is such a game would likely require an all-new pokemon roster if you set it into ultra space (and least until the player reaches the main pokemon dimension)
Pokémon Legends: Necrozma?
I’ve been saying that as well, but should definitely take more of a horror turn considering the entries of many of the ultra beasts. Could definitely be a step from the formula but still be enjoyable I’d like to think.
@@thorveim1174 True, but my God, wouldn't that be awesome? Dozens of new Ultra Beasts! Maybe even some pre-evos for existing ones- Buzzwimp, a Bug-type that evolves into Buzzwole upon learning Bulk Up... Zapling, an Electric-type that evolves into Xurkitree when a Thunder Stone is used... Celeseeda, a Steel/Ground-type that evolves into Celesteela upon learning Growth... Hell, they could do "regional" forms. I have this idea for Ultranian Gulpin and Swalot, Dark-types. And Ultranian Swalot would evolve into Guzzlord upon learning Dragon Pulse.
I'm both incredibly saddened but also completely understand why neither Decidueye or Skeledirge didn't win. Either way both videos were super fun to watch.
I knew none of the gen nine or legendary Arceus versions where not gonna do good they don't have that much info on them compared to like Charizard who has many entries inteleon did better than I expected he has only like three games with entries
Those are my favorite starters too! I also love sceptile
I just found your channel, I LOVED this.
I just wanted to mention a few things: At 12:50 you talk about how Charizard and Blaziken are frequently Ubers or OU, but Charizard has only ever really been decent in the early gens or in its gimmick forms. Blaziken has definitely been a solid mon tho, especially after speed boost. Second, in competitive Pokemon water types are generally considered much better than fire types defensively. Most water types outperform or are on even ground with their other starters, eg. Blastoise is generally better than Charizard, Swampert is better than Blaziken, Feraligatr was better than Typhlosion, etc. This isn't a hard rule ofc, Cinderace and my favorite flaming crocodile are much better than their counterpart waters, but the pre-gen 6 fires really weren't all that good in comparison to the water starters.
charizard has literally only ever been a relatively niche pick in gen 3. a format partially built around swampert lol. outside of that its almost always been bottom tier outside of megas, even being out performed by regular typholsion.
There’s also the fact that while Blaziken is godly in Smogon, there’s still VGC to consider. Only focusing on Singles is kinda weird when a Battle Royale will inevitably also have some Mons teaming up and its never just a 1-v-1.
I just realized how similar Blaziken and Quaquaval are. Both are Fighting-type birds with exactly 120 base Attack that can be good sweepers. Both can use Bulk Up/Sword Dance and have a way to boost their speed (Blaziken with Speed Boost and Quaquaval with Aqua Step)
Wasted chance to make an unexpected final Battle between fighting bird starters (not Decidueye). I would have been way better than more Pikachu and Charizard screen time. (Also a missed chance to draw Quaquaval properly and not only his ass, being devoured by freaking Serperior)
Yeah, I'd love to see a duel between not just Blaziken and Quaquaval, but also Hisuian Decidueye because they're all part Fighting-type bird starters.
@@Mepicanloscojones82 As someone who's favorite is actually Serperior, I must say those two got a really bad representation in comparison to the other starters. They both only really appeared for 1 short scene, when both would have been really interesting to watch in action. Quaquaval for his unique typing and fighting style, and Serperior for his really good hidden ability and OU usage.
@@Mepicanloscojones82 The only good-looking quaquaval is a dead-looking quaquaval.