This is REALLY hard but REALLY fun. I have a tutorial on how to set this up in the works btw.
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It's like Chess, except sometimes when you try to take a Rook it has a 79% chance of just not dying.
Quantum chess, it exists
Ah yes, RNG Chess, my favorite
Reminds me of xcom
or mk chess lol
and that some rooks move farther and some do not move at all
You know, this makes me realize how much we rely on the enemy just throwing themselves at us in suicidal attacks.
The opportunity to defeat the enemy is provided by the enemy. -Sun Tzu Most victories have less to do with the prowess of the victor and more with the incompetence of the defeated.
because the game is balanced around agro its definitely more rpg than s but developing strategic ai for these games is very difficult anyway
gba hardware isnt advanced enough to allow for the computer to make smart moves so it compensates by having a ton of handicaps, advance wars was the same
This is the two-player fire emblem I've always wanted
Sounds like chess with extra steps
@@Hades-alden THIS is actually scary.
@@Hades-alden Medieval Advance Wars in a nutshell.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx I wish advance wars hard.more games
Right? Imagine having this kind of thing as an online mode in 3 houses or any other more modern game with specialized types of maps and battles from the campaigns. The main issue would likely be stat balancing the units for a balanced experience for both players
When someone says they wanted a more player phase-based Fire Emblem.
Mekkkah's chess skills is actually remarkable.
wrggg
@T teg Egg Because its fun!
@T teg Egg cause its fun as hell lmao
"If I'm going down I'm taking your left leg with me" thats gotta be the most brigand thing to say
A True Brigand through the very end.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx He died like a true -knight- brigand.
I’ve always wondered what would happen if the enemies weren’t just throwing themselves at your choke points
Generally, I think you'd lose.
@@m0nkEz There is a huge chance of failure which is the best part, it requires you to think harder than ever as the enemies aren’t headless chickens
@@chrom-manandrobin7983 The AI doesn't use Lockpicks on thieves like the player does. Thieves don't have any allegiances to the enemy army, they just steal stuff and flee from the map just as quickly. I doubt that the AI would make use of the Lockpicks at all.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx ...okay?
@@chrom-manandrobin7983 But who am I to question the enemy player about Chess tactics anyways.
It would be funny if you had another person in the chapters with green units and their goal was to get all of their units killed as fast as possible
Soo normal green units?
I guess it would be better if trying 2 survive on maddening difficulty
I like the joke, but can you imagine if that was a real thing in the game? I’d make it so the Green player gets 1/3 the amount of units as the Blue Team, but if there’s only 2 units, then they get 1. Makes it a little more balanced especially in these sections where its 2 v 10 or 5 v 20
Calm down Satan.
I'm a green unit
Hector: Lol HHM peg knights bad Zagan: *teleports behind you*
nothin personnel, kid
This was actually super hilarious. The REAL danger is how well the AI is capable of learning strats here, the potential is infinite. Gonna be exciting to see how the rulebook is gonna work itself out as we progress the series. Maybe IS will take a tip or two from our gameplay 😋
You know Link you could trade better axes to zaggaf for more hit
Fire Emblem 20, where Lunatic++' mode features an AI trained in Google's neural network
@@Nauriek Now thieves target your stat boosters and promotional items, and fliers ferry them to enemy units who can use them.
@@Felixr2 Just play Fire Emblem Eligor's Spear.
How are you guys doing it? Is it remote or are you guys together in one place?
I’ve only seen 2 minutes of this video and I can already tell I’d love a full series
Same
yeeeesssss
@Lejeune Levieux Playing Fire Emblem like a good Fire Emblem General be like.
Show this video to anyone who complains that having exploitable FE AI makes the game less fun. Watching AI Pegs rescue drop the boss from a kill boss map onto a mountain will bring the fear of death back into any player.
If player units were better designed around the new ai, that would just be a lot more fun imo
True, also map design comes into play. I love the idea of maps being designed around seize/kill boss with neutral objectives of power like the gronder field map from three houses or chapter 7 of fe8 where the player and enemy both have access to a ballista.
This is what happens when Nergal makes a Morph of Mark the Tactician.
What Nergal needs is a tactician. But sadly, he is too mad to even think about tactics.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Nergal is actually decently clever. Not Ephidel tho, that guy was a moron.
@@brolytriplethreat He's just a morph.
How is this going to work in fog of war though?
it doesnt work. you have to wait for the player to enter the fog to reveal the enemy for the other player to actually use the red units if I remember correctly
At least when you use enemy control glitch during fog of war you can still control the units it's just hard to do because you can't see them
They might just turn it off.
I turned fog of war off because it is too tedious for the E.P player
Wow, I had no idea you were into FE, sweet
Now imagine the Gronder battlefield in three houses, but with a 3 players multiplayer.
Edelgard: "I could just sit in this base- SIKE!" *RAGING STORM INTENSIFIES*
@@HHopebringer you get: Bullshit Flying Archer, Double Action, and... dimitri I guess
@@kyuura4324 Dimitri’s really all you need.
@@fihyrulesmonado7659 oh yeah, he’s beefy, he just doesn’t have anything special other than ridiculous stats
@@kyuura4324 he has vantage wrath
Okay but let’s be real here, if they ever make a game mode like this for Fire Emblem that would be hella fun
Yeah. Fire Emblem is very good game. It has so much potential for pvp.
I am actually surprised they haven't, a game mode like Xcom Enemy Unknown has would be great in the Fire Emblem world, we would finally be able to play as the villains too.
@@FuryousD They actually tried doing this with Fire Emblem Fates online battles but the only problem was, at higher levels of Fire Emblem when you get cool staves and crit chance. It basically just became of. Oh do you have warp and I don't? FF Oh look at my forged brave sword, that your just boned against. You chose Conquest and not Revelations or Birthrights? You my friend have just gotten screwed because of resource disparity.
@@venjiemin5370 i wasn't award Fate hate online battles, not that i would of bothered with them if i had know but it sounds cool at least, too bad it wasn't done right then i guess.
@@venjiemin5370 Hmm. I don't know this particular system, but having played... all the others, I'd imagine it's a skill issue. Just make a better system ^^'.
When LinkKing started rescuechaining with the shitty HHM pegasus knights, I knew this video was something special.
At this point in Fire Emblem history, I already figured out that LinkKing WAS a worthy adversary for Mekkkah to test his powers on.
Can't wait for Guy to just run away from Matthew so he doesn't get recruited
Or killing him
@@yuganshagarwal3485 Just don't let Guy be near Matthew and flank him to backside of the map. EZ
but who even wants Guy lol
@@brimiller2989 *Bad unit intensifies*
@@brimiller2989 Too bad because you unlock Florina a few chapters before this so you can't use Flyers to ferry Matthew across the map.
Player: Argh, what to do? I need to think... Enemy: Bum rush! They can't kill us all at once!
This battle deserves a fanmade animation. Marcus going in recon getting surrounded, Serra dodge-tank comic relief, the (almost) close call in timing to save Eliwood (and teamwork trading to hold out longer). All this misses is Marcus doing a glorious crit against mercenary. Just look at the distance before that attack, full speed charge!
imagine if the ai actually uses rescue strats
I think there are hacks where it does?
@@papersonic9941 Play Fire Emblem Eligor's Spear if you want a unique Fire Emblem.
That would be the Capture mechanic from Thracia 776.
I can't imagine the player character beating a single chapter if the AI gets its chances tbh. Even Sacred Stones would end up super challenging with this ruleset
Regular Pegasus knights, don’t move and wait for the enemy Links pegasus knights : 9:30
Yep! THIS is definitely Big Brain time!
(This is not meant as a wish, just a funny thought/hope) Imagine Excelblem, the master of human-wave-tactics, for this. He was trained for it.
That guy would be a brutal enemy AI. Just cold-blooded, relentless assaults designed to wear you down without any regard to the attrition rate.
Sounds like the Echoes AI. Lots of maps there where there are 15 bloodthirsty units converging on your position, enjoy.
Funny, given I just came from one of his videos. It totally needs to happen. He'll be all powerful if the game gives him free generics each chapter.
Give that man generics for days and watch the genocide ensue. Please make this happen, guys.
@@lacreatura4737 Excelblem: "Some of you may die, but that is a risk *I* am willing to take."
I wasn't really paying attention and when the glitched Mathew sprite for the enemy's portrait appeared, I had to do a double take because I thought they had a custom medieval crusader/knight portrait. Namely at 0:29, where the gray of the walls and Matthew's skin behind the glitched yellow lines and hair kinda created the illusion of a helmet
Lmao same here
"now you gotta kill my lord before marcus kills your whole army" as someone who is on chapter 7 of the binding blade as has seen marcus cleave trought anything in the game with only knights and wyvern riders tank more than one turn of combat with him, this is completely accurate
Get Excelblem in here with a boatload of generics and watch the genocide ensue.
Make it look like his Shadow Dragon play through
Greenunit as the third force-patch?
I’m here from the future. It was... uh... well, a thing.
The Virgin Fates PvP vs the Chad FE7 PvP
If Hector is in it, you know it's LEGIT firsthand!
I'll never get tired of hearing Mekkah saying "dorkASS."
Ok hear me out. What if a new fire emblem game was like this where two friends play. And with so many options when it comes to the story and so much branching depending on events. Like a kingdom vs a kingdom, that'll be so cool. Or maybe a fire emblem game where you're just a mercenary with couple friends hired here and there while a huge war is waging, with good ally AI so that you really feel like you're a mercenary group and not some war god who is the best in combat because the army is much stronger and better than just a mercenary group, and in most fights you don't kill the enemy but you're assigned certain roles by the army you're hired to, to fullfil like kidnapping stealth or like killing a person or something to help the green unit army, with so many choices to follow like maybe betraying them or joining the others or maybe run from battle or maybe save this guy or this town or following your desires or.... and you being just some guy with hardly any effect on the overall story of the world.
I just realized something. This makes battle before dawn literally impossible. Cause Ursula can just hunt zephiel and kill him on like turn 2
I’m sure it’ll be hilarious
Why can she do that, why can she hunt and kill this dude in 2 turns? Only played radiant dawn onwards
@@eafesaf6934 she spawns very close to him, and has a siege time
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 isee thank you
Mekkah this is such a good idea, please do a whole series like this. Reminds me of SmallAnt’s video where he has a Pokémon champion control all the enemy trainers he faces.
Wolfe was an absolute delight in that video since he didn't know much about gen 1 and its broken mechanics
"I should've healed Oswin" 2 turns later: "What's Serra doing here?"
I want to see a radiant dawn version of this. Particularly when both armies clash
Pegasus knights in FE7, scary There's a first time for everything
Scary, not even a mountain can stop their assault. It even pushed Mekkkah's brain cells to its limits. Yep, THIS is totally Big Brain time!
It would be really funny if Link started discarding droppable/stealable items to spite Mekkah. Also that Wire joke sent me to another dimension.
He's gonna promote the Ch18 boss with his normally thievable Guiding Ring
Haven't watched until the end yet but the thought of being able to steal your opponents units from them by recruitments is hilarious. Keep Guy in the backlines or suicide 😅
imagine the chapter with harken or karel! that would be spectacular...
@@JoeEmb776 Karel isn't an enemy dude. Bopper isn't going to let Mekkkah do the requirements to recruiting Karel.
@@JoeEmb776 If Bopper wanted to win against Mekkkah's forces, he has to wait for Harken to appear and kill Isadora or Marcus with him to spare himself the trouble.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx oh yeah, guess he isn't... Been years since I played fe7 so some of the details are a little fuzzy
I need Bismix the greatest villain to walk in his backyard
With this, Fates Chapter 1 would go from pushover tutorial you would only lose in on purpose to actually impossible, unless I am missing something
Defenceman book corrie solos Xander without healing
Oh god I love this concept, it's interesting to see what the enemies could do with competent strategy...and then seeing it being messed up by a whiny cleric somehow developing Ultra Instinct.
I always thought that in a PvP mode, the blue team would have absolutely no chance on any stock singleplayer map, assuming basic competence on red team's side. Clearly I underestimated Serra.
Can't wait to see Mekkah's opponents get to be able to use the droppable stat boosters/promotion items. Between that and the fact that the opponents get to use Mekkah's money means this is gonna be hilarious
I don't think enemy units can promote using promotional items like Guiding Rings. How I found this is that I used the Mine Glitch on the Nabata Map and used the Guiding Ring on an enemy acolyte and the game crashed.
See, everyone always makes fun of the "weak" pegasus knight enemies. Problem is, if the ai actually knew how to use them like here, they'd be remembered a lot differently. Also if Marcus just picks up Eliwood from the start, player 2 can't do anything but hope to kill Hector.
Weak? I'm always terrified of the enemy pegasus because of how much range it has!
This is incredible! I've always wanted to play the bad guy in fire emblem so this video is so cool to watch
This was so fun to watch! Hope you're able to make more
This is an excellent idea for videos, and I am very eager to see the next one. As a matter of fact, I'd love to see this as an official mode in a (potential) Fire Emblem 6/7 remake.
I love it that there is always a way to make a Fire Emblem game feel fresh. Are other consoles FE games going to be played such as this too or only the ones with the mine-glitch?
I’d assume it’s a lot easier to do in the mine glitch games, but given enough time somebody could probably make a mod for all the other games
I know that there's randomizers for a lot of the other games (the [3]DS games + the GBA trilogy)!
I would watch a series of this. This is honestly a really cool concept!
That was actually a ton of fun to watch! Looking forward to more!
Subscribed for the tutorial in how to set that up. I plan on using it to its fullest extent.
I have always thought about this. So cool to see it done. Great video!
I stumbled upon this a year later and it makes me miss playing the early Fire Emblems. I hope the rest of this series exists.
Loving this concept Mekkah! It's hilarious :D
At first, I wasn't all that interested in this series, but now, I'm glad I clicked!
I need to see Bismix on the Kishuna chapters.
But due to the seal he won't be able to USE THE WATP STAFF!
This concept is so fun, I hope you'll have a full playthrough of the game like this lmaoo. Or maybe even for other games if it's possible.
The moment I started thinking about this, it appears. Thanks mate!
I need a whole lot more of this. I also always wanted to be the enemy AI myself.
Please do more of these, I love this idea, it's so interesting and adds a ton of depth and fun to the gameplay
This was dope! Please continue
this is the best concept. cant wait to see the dragon chapter
I can't wait for that tutorial video, this is my new favorite idea
This feels like Advance Wars in the Medieval Era.
Oh man this is such a cool idea. I can't wait until there is more.
So cool I hope you do lots of these
i really like this, like guts says there, it's the mode we have wanted for YEARS, ggs my dude
god it brings back memories I've gotta finish these games again some day
I was so looking forward to see if the enemy could do a triangle attack!
Regarding guest stars: - Bopper for Chapter 16 so he can rid you of your Christmas cavs - Gwimpage for Chapter 15 to break your defense - Bismix for anything really, I'm confident he can make it fun And idk who you'll have for 17x or 19x but I'm very much looking forward to the chaos
I don't think Lyndis is going to survive, Bopper's Army is too strong. Its not an AI she is dealing with anymore. This is basically more difficult than New Mystery of the Emblem's Lunatic difficulty. Mekkkah's brain has to protect Lyn or Game Over. Bopper is not going to let Mekkkah train his units.
I love this, definitely want to see more
This is mind blowing I never thought I'd see this
LinkKing really living the Arvis lifestyle in this vid
Or he was just the reincarnation of Arvis himself!
FALAFLAAAAAAAME!!!!
Love this idea, super fun to watch!
That pegasus rescue strat was hilarious
This is the type of PvP in fire emblem we need lol.
Love this idea. Excited for more
This is pretty fucking awesome lol. Has anyone done a full playthrough like this? It seems like this could be a really fun challenge, especially if you start getting into additional rules or hacks.
This pvp seems familiar. Don’t know where but I seen it before.
@@lacreatura4737 Not what I was hoping for, but it seems fine by me.
My friend Aether taught me how to do this before, I knew this was familiar
On a similar theme (playing as the enemies) Shuusuke made an FE7 romhack named FE7 Allegiance Reversal+ (or was it Blazing Sword Allegiance Reversal+). It got discontinued because it was ending up not fun to play or design due to enemy/player contrast (was still player vs. computer).
I wanna see dondon vs mekkah
So you like massacres
Dondon with the blu units tho
@@GreatSikoTM it's a massacre either way
Dondon using 0% growth red units
@@LamperougeZ0 Negative growth blue units
19:38 The LAST thing I ever thought I would hear mekkah say is "rebecca-chan".
From Mekkah's PoV this reminds me of doing Lunatic Casual in Awakening. Obviously it's less about outsmarting overpowered enemies and more about being outnumbered against a similar level of intelligence, but the idea of casual with high difficulty is what I was referring to.
I only recently stumbled across this channel and i love it. Did the tutorial to set this up come out already? Id love to do this
Now i want to see a normal mode playthrough with "Actual Intelligence" - controlled enemies. I mean, Hector Hard mode is already hard as-is, smart enemies will just make it impossible (unless you redo each battle with normal AI afterwards to keep your units and actually get the loot and stats). But an LP of this in normal mode might be doable!
Such a fundamental twist to a classic game love it
almost 20 years later, and theres finally a challenging version of fire emblem
Now this is a fun idea! I can see certain chapters being more ridiculous and skewed than others, but this definitely has potential. Hope we see more soon.
This seems so fun! I want to learn how to do this!
Decent video! Thanks for uploading!
Okay, I like the concept of this. This is what multiplayer should be.
Maybe like a point system, heroes will take up more points while generics uses less points. And player can set different victory or defeat conditions for each side and choose a map
@@youtubedeletedmyaccountlma2263 That sounds pretty neat. It almost feels like Wargroove now that I think of it. FE maker, when?
@@bubblebeampiplup8132 Not sure man, maybe I can send an email to Intelligent system or something. FE maker definitely requires a full team to make on it not to mention also requiring server. So is definitely only doable by nintendo side.
Watching this, you can see a couple bits of clever game design to make this level easier. If you stand right next to the wall and break it, you aren't punished by the unit that is 1 tile out of range, for example.
This was already a great idea but bringing Linkking into it is perfect.
*surrounds marcus on all sides* Marcus: None of you seem to understand, I'm not locked in here with you. YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!
Anyone remember what the war game was that had a fire emblem turn system, but had modern military (tanks, infantry, etc), was on the gameboy, and had multiplayer? This reminds me of that
Advance Wars
@@Mekkkah that's the one, such a good game
This is awesome!
Battle before dawn is going to be interesting
Oh fuck
*Impossible
Yeah, that's why I'm glad they're doing like a scoreboard system for this. Battle Before Dawn is gonna be free for Red Team, I think.
It's fog of war, not sure how that will work.
@@papersonic9941 maybe they'll turn off Fog of War...
I REALLY need this
oh this looks so fun- Id love to do this
Please keep doing this series!
Love this will this be a series? Maybe even spanned accord multiple games !
Seeing what Rengor could do in this format would be great. He'd be someone I'd wanna see in this series. Other than that, I always love your commentary with Bis, Markyjoe, and Kirby. Great series idea and I can't wait to see more episodes. Enjoy playing them!