The Primary Arms Micro Prism Buyers Guide.
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This is a long time coming. My first true buyers guide based on some very popular micro prism's from Primary Arms. All of these are very good for what they are. The big question is, which one is best for you?
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00:00 - Starting Off
05:25 - Reticle Overviews
09:04 - 400y Day
12:47 - 50y Day
13:33 - Eyebox Test's
14:16 - 100/200y 2x vs 3x
17:36 - 100/200y 3x vs 5x
20:40 - Conclusion and Recommendations
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He has a face????? What else is he not telling us!?!?
He already told you he lives in an apartment and he rides a bike. What else do you need man?
@@BigSmartArmed toe pics
@@civicsr2cool well i'm not gonna get in-between you too. Find another guy.
@@BigSmartArmedwhat on earth did I click into 💀
He’s actually shown his face in previous videos
Thank god KZheadrs such as your self take the time to make these informative videos !
🥰 thank you I think a lpvo video is next
This is one of the best videos that explains optics that I've ever seen. Usually they don't show the reticle when talking about scopes but the way you put this together was easy to see and understand. Thank you for an excellent video.
I am very happy to hear that mate
Doing CQB with 20” rifles with ACOGs on top really shows that an offset dot isn’t necessary. Very basic practice can get you proficient at CQB with magnified optics. Save the weight and just run it.
All day. I have ACOG TA33 3x on two carbines and train for close engagements out to distance. Static, moving, and from cover. KISS setup with BUIS. Batteries not included.
It really depends on your environment. I have seen first hand that a camouflaged target at 200 yards is nearly impossible to identify with a 3x. If you’re training for a home invasion, then a red dot or 1x is all you’d need. If you’re training for SHTF, you’d need more magnification than a 3x because your opponent will be as far away as possible with as much camo as he could possibly use.
@@isaacnayak182 Your comment would hold more weight if we hadn’t been using fixed 3x to 5x magnifiers in combat for the last 20+ years.
Now what we need is a 4x GLX full size with the 5x style reticle and amazing glass under 14oz.
You prefer all that busy information on the 5x? Don't find it distracting?
@@seanoneil277 no, because, if you want fast you light it up. If not your are stable and working through the hold overs
@@seanoneil277 yeah, just gimme the ACSS with some drop dots
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Yup. I won't buy one because I don't like the reticle they offer for these optics.
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Now that is actually usefull content. It's getting rare these days, but this is definetly it.
You humble me. Thank you!
I really appreciate an intelligent, and very detailed explanation and of this particular red dot. Thank you!
Truely good info. Just found this and have been intrigued in these optics for a long time. Best in-depth stuff out there for sure.
These are great do it all general purpose optics, I own two, 1X and 3X and really love them. The 1X is just really underrated and is absolutely a red dot killer, especially if you have any sort of vision issues. I would argue that you don't really need an offset red dot with the 3X. If you don't want another expense, and more equipment hanging off of your rifle then you can easily train with the 3X to make close up shots. Marines did it with 4X for years. The more equipment and high tech you get, the more logistics and support required.
Absolutely agree. I have the 3x and with a little training able to pick up 50 yards and in for close targets.
I agree. You can train around anything. But getting something that 'fits' you better from the get go definitely helps.
Aren't prism optics supposed to be used with the Binden Aiming Concept anyways?
Outstanding thank you ! New to the prism concept - I needed your expertise here, it has helped me narrow my need to the 3x . Love your approach and no nonsense rapid fire prose . Bravo.
This was excellent and very helpful. The 2x will best meet my needs. Thank you.
Thank you for the thorough and specific horizontal review on products coming from one single manufacture. I think we need more videos like this than just comparing products from different companies because each company can have many options too and sometimes people get confused and struggled.
Best explanation about Prism Optics and magnification, thank you very much! Helps a lot for buying decision.
Nice job, very informative for a great line of optics.
I can’t believe I just found your channel. I have a handful of gun tubers who I subscribe to regarding firearms and accessories reviews. Yours is probably one of the best regarding optics! I just bought the GLX 2x prism based on your evaluation and my needs. Two things I’ll add as my go to rifles all have ACOG’s in either TA33 (3x) or TA31 (4x). Target Identification - for sure with higher magnification, better target identification. I don’t compete but use my rifles as tools and I carry a 8x monocular or 10x compact binoculars with me. This does a much better job of target identification in real world situations. Close Quarters Work - with ACOG’s and keeping both eyes open you can be effective at very close distances. And, transitioning to primary and secondary sides is just as effective with prisms if you train to it. Excellent reviews and I look forward to your future stuff!
You have great production and presentation skills along with concise and meaningful reviews - keep up the good work!
Thank you kindly
And a voice like butter, nice to put a face to the voice after all these years! Hope your new family is doing well
Best video on the Microprism line to date. Thanks for your work, keep it up!
Much obliged
Solid shit dude! Yea 3x is awesome for us basement commandos
lmaoooo
Lead LARPing. I am guilty.
Great guide, lots of information and comparisons between them is great, very helpful
The moment where you showed the different eye boxes was awesome, thanks a lot. Just ordered my first prism - the SLX 1x!
👌 good choice mate! Lmk how it works for you
Thanks for the review. It was a big help in choosing a Prism scope.
I'm glad to hear that
Excellent rundown!
I have astigmatism also. I have a PA 3x ACSS optic. I like it fine and it's works well with a low mount on my Zastava ZPAP M70. What really shines is the PA 1x ACSS optic paired with the PA 3x flip-to-side magnifier. If the magnifier is flipped out, I can shoot both eyes open and have a huge field of vision. Flipped in and BAMM, you have super clear longer range vision and a much larger field of vision.
Very well done and informative video, You made it easy to understand what each offered, Pros and Cons, and then situations where you felt each would shine. I just picked up my 1st Pcc and one of the 1st things i wanna do is optics. this video gave a lot of solid info that was easy to follow, even for newbie like myself.
Thanks for the comprehensive breakdown. I have a friend in the fence with his purchase.
best optic channel by far and for years
This was an amazing review. Wow. Thank you
Great video! Very informative and well presented! Thank you and God bless!
Great comparison!!👍🏼 thank you
The most detail Prism guide by far. Thank you
I am happy you think so
Just got the Glx x2 for my Henry Allweather sidegate 30-30. Best ever.
I've had the older version of the 3x32 on my AK for a few years and absolutely love it. However, the size has me looking at these newer ones and I think i'll stay with the 3x. Great comparison.
Magnificent
100%! Same story here. I really was thinking about the new 3x to save weight, but I've seen instances of breakage on the PA when torture testing. I think people should consider that as you may not necessarily go to war with your rifle, but you could easily drop it one day...stuff happens. That version of the 3x, the older one has been put through the ringer and survived everything from drops onto hard rock to being run over with a truck! Just a consideration as I really do like these new optics and love Primary Arms, but I also try to think worst case.
3X is Truly a wonderful optic,I have it on my Zastava M90 and it's nice say sitting at the bench and seeing exactly where I am hitting at 30yrds. plus,It can be used at point blank using the Halo of death as your Dot
Fantastic video. Informative in all the right ways.
So happy you decided to get in front of the camera. Youre a natural. Dangerous video to release on black friday though 😂
Masterclass review!
I tried a Romeo 5, the SLx 1x and GLx 2x on my .338 specter SBR and found that I liked the 2x better even though I shoot suppressed subsonic 80% of the time. I think it was the huge eyebox along with just enough magnification to make some shots easier.
Mmmmmm that Huge Eyebooxxxxx
@@CDOES I’m hoping C_Does will get his hands on the new Arken Zulus 5x20 day/night digital scope I can’t buy anything unless I’ve seen you review it first . LoL 👍
Buyers guide is a great idea!
people make fun of how I can “over analyze” things, (and its true… I can many times to that to a fault) but you provide all the essential details my math mind craves lol. Thanks man… many subscribers in your future. I hope this brings you many new opportunities. Blessings to you in New York… (from CA).
Seriously well done. Thank you. Subbed.
Great review comparison bravo!
Good video. I bought the 1x-Red when they 1st released and I just bought a 3x-Green after watching this video
I bought an SLx 1x Gemini reticle in 9mm from Hopsurp; the thing sits on my Cx4 Storm and I'm never replacing it. Smart little purchase.
Absolutely perfect usage for that 1x.
@@CDOESdo you use the 9mm bdc reticle for your ruger? I suppose only would matter if taking a 9mm out to distance
Appreciate you brotha! You've informed a lot of my bad financial decisions
The gold standard of optic Reviews. Thank you. Thinking Glx-2x for affordability, usability, simplicity and versatility based on these reviews. Makes perfect sense.
This video was very helpful. I've been considering the SLx 3x for an AK build. I generally love the RDS+magnifier set up, but AKs have inherant height-over-bore and cheek-weld issues when mounting optics. So a 3x prism sight that can be mounted low and have as good of an eye-box as the SLx 3x seems like the best match for an AK
Super informative thanks.
Really liked your review.
Great content, absolutely good video
On my 3x micro prism the reticle started to tilt to the right. I'm gonna have to send it back. I'll get another one and put it back on my Hellion bullpup. Now I have a couple of the 1x's and I even have one on my bolt action .308 and another one on my Remington pump action 30-06 which turns out to be my favorite hunting set.
Excellent review! I’m saving this vid for Reference. Thanks!!
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Evolution Gun Works makes adapter plates for the Vortex Spitfires which can allow mounting any other micro red dot--important if you're doing it for nods since the Viper doesn't have a good NV setting. Also, Primary Arms' older SL 5x has a much better pic mount for piggyback red dots. Heavier prism, but durable and still less weight than an LPVO.
I have the 1x on one rifle, two slots back from the front of the receiver. No, I do not get the full FOV through it. It doesn't matter, because I have both eyes open. The eye relief, and eyebox are forgiving enough that my head would have to be ridiculously out of position to make it unusable. It is as fast as my RDS equipped rifles, but allows better precision out to 300 yds. The 2x, although not quite as good close in, is still very useable. That tiny bit of magnification, along with the long eye relief, and forgiving eyebox, makes it a favorite. I don't want the 3x or 5x, I want a Glx 4x. PA, are ya listening? Excellent video!
Thanks for this
Excellent content
I've got the 3x on a pined 13.7 and pushing it out to 400y on a 18in steel plate was pretty fun.
This was great, would love to see a version of this with the vortex 1x, 3x, and 5x prisms
Idk about these optics but I love Primary Arms. They're pretty close to me in Houston and have awesome prices and service. This guy is the best optics reviewer on the KZhead with that CA Super Set guy second but I think he started a new channel. I need to try one of these but the next cheap optic I get will probably be their 1-6 LPVO with their Nova reticle. I hear the illumination is great on those. I have a Sig MSR 1-8 and a Vortex Viper Pst 1-6. 8 need an ACOG and another LPVO. I would love a Razor or NightForce but they are expensive as you know.
quality content, thank you
Good review. Thanks.
Having tried a prism scope for the first time last weekend at IWA in Germany. Besides making it clear, that i do have some form of a slight stigmatism haha. They are a very nice design and a good option over a red dot, also with the edged reticle it saves on needing BUIS if you dont have a battery or the battery fails for some reason. And this video is superb in showing the difference between the variants. But even more so by showing the different distances you can actually place a prism. That is one thing i was looking for, because i would like to put a 1x prism on my AK. At the moment can only place it on the front handguard right behind the rear sight (in time will have a dust cover option). And was worried that it would be to far forward for the prism. But looking at it in the video that shouldnt be a major issue at all.
I'm glad you mentioned cross-eye dominance this is probably the only optics review video I've seen make mention of that. I'm right handed and left eye dominant, although I've been training to flip my eye dominance, I still struggle to shoot anything magnified with both eyes open which is why I love red dots, so I'm almost wondering if the 3x might be fine yet as a sort of do-anything general purpose optic setup on something like a 14.5 AR, I'd say a large majority of my shooting takes place well under 100 yards but there's times I'd like to get out to 200-300, with my aging eyes I've grown to like my 5x magnifier but it does have very limited eye relief and very limited field of view. I'm thinking the 3x might be the good compromise I'm looking for.
Yep. Informative. 👍
I have the 1x for my ar15 and I'm planning on putting the 3x magnifier with a flip mount. It's the best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned. You have the 1x used like a red dot for me up to 50yrd and then the flip which makes it 4x over 200yrds with the ranging features that also magnify. The 3x magnifier by pa is small and short as well and with the different mounting options it comes with I really don't think the 1x will be positioned to far forward at all. That's what I'm going with my personal preference and most likely I'll always have the magnifier on unless close up and personal which doesn't happen that often but it's there when needed.
I have the older SLx MD-25 with the ACSS CQB reticle and I do love it. The only other comparison optic I have is a Bushnell TRS-26 red dot. For my eyes I like the PA ACSS reticle better than the red dot of the Bushnell. I got the PA MD-25 on sale for only $129.
Great video!!!
I really wish you had done some other comparison combos say 1x vs 3x, and 1x vs 5x. I feel you really lose your perspective or understanding of the magnification when you only compare ones that are close together. Maybe just a still image of all 5 side by side.
Really good!
Great info, thanks.
Happy to help
We need a GLx 4x
> Trijicon starts hearing the Jaws theme in the distance
Thank you 😊
Another great review. Happy Thanksgiving! Hey bro, I absolutely love your reviews…what camera/phone mount are you using behind the optic?
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving my friend!
As to you, my friend.
The !x magnification is NOT NV compatible and neither is the 3x which I own. I would imagine none of the others are as well. I wish they were because I would definitely own the 1X. For that reason I have an NV compatible red dot offset with the 3x as my primary. Works really well. I also have astigmatism. Other than that minor assumption about the compatibility, this is an excellent review and confirms the set up that I originally had my doubts about. Glad I found your channel.
thank you for your video.
Another great video on the subject, great job C_Does. One downside of prism that rarely is talked about is having cowittiness iron sights as a backup. I don’t know if it’s possible with 1x prisms, but it’s impossible with magnified ones. Even a LPVO at 1x can be used with irons, but let’s be honest: if your glass is cracked to the point you can’t use the reticle, the iron sights won’t help you much.
That's why I prefer flip ups if my primary aiming system is using any kind of glass whatsoever. Both are zeroed at 100 but they are zeroed seperate from one another.
@Rm-1776 Co-witness not a problem with the 1x
It would be impossible to cowitness. I dont think its talked about much because it just doesnt make sense. If you wanted to run standard positioned MBUIS inline with a prism. youd need either a QD mount for the prism. or just run offset.
@@CDOES 100% agree. Should have said that use a Midwest Industries quick detach mount on my 3x microprism. I doubt I will ever crack a prism, more likely I will bend the mount and lose zero.
@@CDOES While it doesn't make sense as backups, it is possible and is a quick way of getting a rough zero if your BUIS are already zeroed. I agree re: BUIS so 45-degree offsets for BUIS do make the most sense.
I run a PA SLx 1x and a Vector Optics Paragon 1x16 on different rifles. Both with the Holosun HM3X magnifier behind the prism. Both function perfect when one matches the diopers for their own vision. I don't understand why many claim that prism+magnifier can't be used together. Perhaps it is because they tried the PA 6x magnifier which makes the image a blurry mess..?
Lightweight point aim and shoot optic is ideal for coyote hunting. Love this micro prism concept. I’ve looked through a 3x but have not looked through the 5x. I’m imagining the 5x should be better for aiming but not ideal for field of view on acquiring running coyotes. Wonder how last minute light is with the 5x. Also really want the 5x FDE color released for hunting. My painting scope skill is not desirable
Hopefully theyll bring out the FDE format for all of them in the future. That and ODG plz
Based on your videos, I put a GLX 2x on a Rossi R-95 lever action rifle. I love the optic; however, the height over bore is too high for that rifle even with the lowest possible setup. The GLX will end up on an AR soon. I came back because I just picked up a PCC. You are very clear about which one to get! Thanks.
My inner durian rider is being triggered by the disk brakes. Lol These 3x’s are pretty awesome for the money. Great video, hope you had a good thanksgiving.
I am about to buy one. Thank you for your awesome channel. Throwing one on an XM177e2 on the carry handle. Thinking 1x as it’s not a distance gun.
That'll be so retro it'll hurt!
@@CDOES Well today was Christmas and my wife allowed me to open up my H&R XM177 and PA SLx 1X with carry handle mount. I absolutely love that optic. It’s like it was made for the carry handle. My eye just goes to it naturally. Glad I went 1X. The whole package is light and handy. I’m going to buy more of the SLx line. Thanks for your reviews.
@@jigthepuff4540 excellent! That sounds like you had a wonderful Christmas. Cheers mate!
Bravo! ❤
I've been going back and forth on finding a new optic to replace the old trijicon mro (in the 5k SN range) that is on my 8" 300BLK. I landed on the 1x SLX.
Bought a 3x thanks to this video. I was torn between the 5x and the 3x (putting it on a lever action) but the large view sold me on the 3x. I wanted something simple, mechanically, and i figure fixed magnification is fine with a wide field of view.
We have many models of ipvo,Variable magnification, fixed magnification, large field of view.
First off, great face. Second, the 1X is probably my favorite red dot to run period as someone with an astigmatism.
Specialist setups vs General purpose is a good discussion to have. General purpose is set by the geographic regions one lives in. Flat land with dense vegetation doesn't offer many options for magnification, while mountainous terrain or clear fields like prairies are very good for magnification. Inside buildings vs between buildings is also a factor.
Nice review. If you want to cowitness your iron sights, you have to go with the 1x.
I run the red dot on my 1-6 because i keep the lpvo zoomed in and use the red dot most of the time for up close.
This makes way too much sense. The magnification explanation helped me a ton. I’m probably just going to go with a 2x due to fov. Great job on the breakdown
Thank you!
I have a 5x, and while eye relief is supposed to be the same, I have a much easier time getting behind the 3x quickly, 2x even more so. I really wanted the 5x to be my solution, but I feel like I have to hunt too much for a clean sight picture. I thought about their full size 5x, but for the weight, you can get an lpvo... I'll add another vote for a glx 4x.
That sounds about right
Thanks man
I like the etched reticle because of my astigmatism, On my 3x prism. but the eye relief could be better. I would sacrifice a little in size for a more forgiving eye relief.
Same, I ended up trading mine out for the GLX 2x for my AK
Get the ADM mount and you can push it back so that it’s not an issue
@@RogueBlood343 How do you like the GLX 2x? I have been looking that this for my 300BLK.
@@invertedpolarity6890you should be on primary arms right now I know it was on sale for 199 I believe
@@derek3154Agreed. I have that same mount on my 5x and it was a game changer.
I really enjoy your product reviews. Any chance you would share your set up used to record the behind the optic videos and pictures?
26:10 don't they also have a 45° mount? i'd be interested in a review of that mount and its durabilty, especially since i've seen some of the 12 o'clock ones get bent when dropped
Thanks
Solid review. I was browsing one of the resellers website another day and noticed the description left too much to desire: one model has MIL dot, one has yard Bullet drop holdover in yard, one in meter. The reticle adjustment in MOA? I’m really confused. Please shed some lights on these.
I’m really hung up on lpvo vs 1x +3x flip to side magnifying. Won’t be magnifying often as its home will be on til of a 12.5” barreled ar. Have offset flip up backups (magpul pro offsets to the right of pic rail….wanting mag to flip to left of pic rail. Have an astigmatism….and am right handed with left eye dominance. Everything that can go against me aiming properly already has happened. We’ll see I guesss.
These are great value
That they are
The 2 and 3 x are awesome