Back when cameras used... Floppy Disks? Sony Mavica
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In this episode I take a look at the original Sony Mavica and some of the floppy disk cameras that came after it.
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In this episode I take a look at the original Sony Mavica and some of the floppy disk cameras that came after it.
I love the footage of 8 Bit Guy randomly smiling and nodding.
LuiC "8-Bit Guy (ODDLY SATISFYING COMPILATION)"
Feels so out of place! xD
LuiC When your trying act like it's a interview with multiple cameras
yesss xD
LuiC I'm guessing that it's to cover up a few edits so it doesn't make for jumpcuts... but nowadays with videobloggers having jumpcuts in their accepted rulebook, the random shots of a silent participant really jolts us as viewers out of the explanation far more than a jumpcut would. And considering that traditionally a production like this would only have one camera so any reaction cuts of a interviewer would have to be recorded after the subject has said all of their answers. I just find the thought funny to imagine him setting up the camera and lights to do a few nods and stuff afterwards. Another option would have been simple cutaways to the cameras in question or whatever b-roll would be shot at that situation. all in all... I commend the effort. But the choice of cutaway became a bit distracting.
I can't explain why, but it's just really charming how the video is edited when Brandon is explaining things and it cuts to 8-Bit Guy nodding with a big, awesome smile.
Right?! While it completely breaks all of the rules for framing a shot reverse shot, seeing the 8-Bit Guy's smile made it all worth it! I seriously have to watch his videos whenever they come out...even if I have to wake up in like 4 hours for work haha
never knew that you watch 8-bit guy.
i would use word awkward for that
I thought it was unneccessary but whatever, I'll still keep watching!!
As a film student I cringed, but as a fan of 8-Bit Guy I had to giggle. Great guy, great content
It cracks me up when he does the cutaways to himself, as if he's having the conversation with the dude in realtime, lol. Nice ;P
I know right 10:38 :'D
@@respt46 it's not cutaways at all the looks he makes ARE REAL
My Mavica saved our family trip to Europe. I took three film cameras and a Mavica. At some point our film got x-rayed and only one roll was not destroyed. But the Mavica pictures survived.
I took a film camera and a digital camera on a mission tip once. I had the film hand checked to avoid that problem. Only to have it lost on one of the last days there.
@@KiwiClawDHAs’what you get for goin on a mission trip
Don't bother saying you're first.. because I'M FIRST!
The 8-Bit Guy Second
Hehe
The 8-Bit Guy 3rd 😂
The 8-Bit Guy fourth! Nice video
You got me!
the strange thing.. when you use a camera from the 90s it actually looks like your in the 90s.
yeah only need to use 90ies clothes and wayfarer sunglasses, set the date on the device in the 90ies and you can roleplay someone in the 90ies :D
😀 haha
I thought the same!!; the colors were "90s colors" not "today colors" hahahaha
You don`t have that problem with 35mm film, unless you are using Kodak Gold. The early digital cameras were just god awful.
Shooting in the 90s
I love my first digital camera. Imagine taking unlimited pictures without having to pay for film and cost of developing rolls of film. It was nothing short of revolutionary. In fact, I have more pictures taken with my first digital camera than all the digital cameras afterwards combined. In short, I went nuts with my first digital camera, using it so much that the camera fell apart. I had a lot of free time as a teenager.
Back in 2000, I had one of those 0.5MP cameras from China where if you bumped the camera too much, the AA batteries would jar, and you would lose all your photos. I guess because the memory chip didn't have a battery backup haha
@@andyk192 yeh I know
@@andyk192 in other words it would not hold data without power whereas modern SD CARDS will hold data even without power
@@stephensnell1379 so it’s basically RAM?
@@neotheapplefan332 ram is considered volatile ye
Back then there was nothing available for USB, for a couple of years it was even nicknamed the "Useless Serial Bus"
GamingGuy800 Wasn’t it technically popular by USB 2.0?
Indeed. In my country usb has exist since erly 2000, but people started using it around 2003-2004
@@limemyth While yes it became popular with 2.0, it was still objectively inferior to firewire until 3.0. The main downfall of firewire was that Intel simply dominated the computer field and through their weight behind usb. It's not that USB is bad, and I'm glad we finally have a standard. But firewire was just better in literally ever way, but thanks to Intel's business practices we simply got "good enough" with usb
I wish USB wasn't shaped like a rectangle. Universal Stupid Bus
The windows 98 compaq I grew up with had USB, but you're right I don't remember using them for a few years. And then it was only for a gravis gamepad pro.
Was anyone else reminded of early 2006-08 youtube videos when he showed the video footage from the camera?
Aaaah yeah! And those extremely low-res webcam videos! I also remember that videos back in 2006 and 2007 were in mono, stereo was not introduced until 2008 or something like that.
When stereo was introduced, you'd sometimes find a video that was entirely on the right channel only
It was actually the first thing that came to my mind.
me at the zoo XDDDD
Reminds me of trying to get early webcams working. "160x120 are you kidding me?"
I remember buying a computer with a SuperDisk drive and the salesman kept talking about the USB drives the computer had being the future, but I was stuck on 128mb floppies thinking that was the selling point. Important life lesson I guess lol.
Haha, I was a teenager saving up for those 120MB floppy drives , then when I had the money together they had already disappeared. I don't quite understand why though , the USB flash drives really weren't very competitive then, and a 120MB floppy drive would have been a logical upgrade path.
It was the Iomega 100mb and 250mb disks for me.
Do any of you remember the PS2 emotion engine that was going to revolutionize the home entertainment space.
Those 128mb floppies were ZIP disks
@@fargeeks No, those were 100/250MB. The 126MB was the LS120.
The photo quality is still very impressive!
But still not as great as modern devices
@@stephensnell1379 yes remember these are the late 90s
funny to see you do those fake cut aways of you listening to the guy talking, suberb acting :)
I’ve heard the cut aways called “noddies” for obvious reasons. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noddy_(TV_interview_technique)
MindGem exactly lol
Makes me feel awkward and wierd and I'm not even there
I came down looking for this, exactly. Lol
@@ChintanPandya01 snap lol
Sounds wierd but I was so amazed when he said 480p
Same as a Wii
We had one of those cameras at work in ~ 2001 and I used it a fair amount. The optics and image quality were really good. I wished it had a write buffer so you could keep taking pictures without waiting each time for the file to be written to the disk.
@@vittosphonecollection4134 Only with component cables though.
480p is still better resolution than what KZhead offered, when it was created.
480p was maximum resolution. It would make it where a disk only held about three photographs. The lower resolutions were grainy and ugly but a disk could hold more pictures.
9:20 those buttons on those old pay phones are supreme. Just the feel of them are so awesome, I always wanted to press on them as a kid, even tho I had no one to call. 10:06 this is probably going to be a new art. Using first ever camera created to take pictures of quantum computer installations, latest gen spaceships, and sending the footage through a sophisticated process of aging... lol.
Pay phones NO longer even exist and are no longer even used,all those that would exist outside in Public will not even work even if a person tried nowadays as the cable running to it is as you are aware is disconnected entirely and anyway they no longer exist as everyone these days has a Smartphone and uses that for calls,texts,social media etc
That was a really cool period, I worked at Sony when these were introduced. It was the bees knees
imagine that falling to your face while browsing your photos in the bed
Fruitarian ouch
Ouchh
Been there, done that!!!
Mega Ouch
Imagine not using electronics in bed.
You know it's gonna be a good day when David uploads a 20 minute video.
Arc I even get a snack before I start watching, one of my favorite channels
June 2021: I still have my Mavica FD-7, some 3.5" floppy discs and an external 3.5" floppy drive. The Mavica took some real good quality pics at a pro wrestling (ECW) event I went to at a local college.
11:35 - That was the first digital camera I ever got to play with. My mother would bring it home from work all the time. I can remember making 20 seconds videos on it and being amazed :-)
As much as I love digital and how far it's come in terms of quality, I still love film. The look, the whole darkroom experience...it's magical! I went out of my way to even buy a Krasnogorsk 16mm movie camera to try my hand at motion film. Love it.
It is ease of use vs qaulity.
@@bighands69 darkroom experience
Love those awkward cutaways to you listening!
1% I get better quality photos from my current camera. 99% Wait your telling me I can take as many pictures as my computer can hold!
I love the fact that you provided a professional's experience with this piece of technology for the video. It really helps give a well-rounded sense of how the hardware was used.
I can imagine Linus Tech Tips in 1997: We Got a DIGITAL Camera!
Speaking of digital, the Tunnelbear lets you safely browse the digital world
@@Fifulek_ What if he eats me
Thumbnail: 😲??? 💾 📷
The Automaticist wtf you say about me
was he born?
I had a Mavica for years! FD85. From 2000-2005. Loved that camera.
I would kill for that mavika 85 model, the Photos look really good for a really old digital camera
The Obsolete Geek people still this camera. During the 1990s ebay and internet antique dealers and vintage sellers bought these and made a good living with their new venture online. some of the older people 50s 60s yo still use this camera for work because they have a don't change what works mentality.
LOL one picture from today's smartphone, wouldn't even fit on ONE disk.
@@0xbenedikt and if you were using the real single side floppy disks, the 5.25" ones, they only held like 250KB 😃
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It's pretty funny. My 16mp wide angle camera takes like 6 mb photos
i tried it and used a blank double density disk and... yes, it fit 3 images as a double density floppy disk holds 1.44 MB
Imagine trying to cram a 10 second video on one
Just picked up an old Mavica FD-90 at an estate sale for $15 (he totally nailed the price lol), I can't get over just how fun it is to take photos with. The feeling of taking a photo and instantly feeling the disk spin up and write is just superb, and the images have a dated yet perfectly acceptable quality to them, especially when it comes to color depth. Couldn't be happier with it!
10:36 love those reaction shots. They remind me of Samurai Cop!
HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
JAFO-PTY I
JAFO-PTY they were funny
lol is that just one take of u nodding over and over? either way love it lmao
SpenserRoger Hahahaaa I was thinking about that too!! 😂😂 Handheld on the guy talking, cuts to static cam of him nodding and smiling! Lmao
This is the first digital camera I had. And I remember taking it to a an auto show, people were stopping me thinking it was the coolest thing. I still have it, and it still works.
The common cold plush is perfect! I bought a giant mono one and always wanted the cold but never bought it. It's still so cute!
My current camera also creates a DCIM folder on the memory card :D Some things don't change :P
I have an old Canon camera which uses CF cards and it also creates a DCIM folder too. Funny thing, the Nintendo DSi and the Nintendo 3DS also create a DCIM folder when taking photos
most devices that captures media will use DCIM folder since its a universal generic root name for computers to read and recognise from it ( dunno about iphones since apple are backwards )
All my android devices has a DCIM folder
***** thats a suprise ,id have assumed apple will use some bullshit named secret folder no one can access and only accesible via icrap tunes
DCIM is a standard nomenclature for any device which creates digital pictures which stands for "Digital Camera IMages"
[Edits footage of myself standing on the other side of the room into the video] *nods in agreement* [Original footage resumes]
If I saw those pictures without context, I’d be convinced that they were taken in the 90s or 2000s
It's a fairly good demonstration of how our mental images of those time periods, even having lived through them, are heavily influenced by the media recorded of them that you can view today. I can remember being a very young child thinking that color only existed after 1950 because of all the black and white pictures my grandparents showed me. I recently unearthed my collection of film negatives for pictures I took in the late 90's / early 00's with my first camera (I didn't get a digital camera until ~2006). I paid to have them scanned in and wow, they look so different than the pictures of the period I see the most (mostly from my dad's first DSLR post 2002).
Pretty cool, I distinctly remember my teacher back in 2001 having a camera using 3.5" floppies that looked distinctly like the Mavica as it was used for some class photos and field trips.
2:26 IRQ conflicts-- oh gawd, I need a trigger warning before you mention that, it brings up traumatic memories. What a nightmare it was dealing with that crap.
Good old floppys.. when i was running around from the store with a bunch of them in my back pocket :D
A disk/cd case full of them when doing computer repair LOL. Now you can fit all that stuff on a USB flash drive that easily fits in your pocket. My how times have changed.
I remember these very well. I used the Mavica a few times myself at work. I still have work photos saved on my computer from '98-'99 using that camera at job sites.
Wow it's already been 4 years since this was posted up and I remember viewing this only hours after it was posted. Time sure goes by quickly.
Wow its been eight months since you said you saw it four year before.
Those photos look like they were taken in 1997! Gotta love that vintage look.
jontron
When I was a senior in high school in '99, I went to a vocational school for computer classes, they had much larger budgets for it than my school (although my school had one of the first AutoCAD classes ever). They had the Mavica and my teacher even let me borrow it for a project, I took pics of EVERYTHING with that camera, still have a few that haven't been destroyed, but man we were so elated at the technology at the time :D
90s was an amazing moment for computer technologies.
Great video, I still have my Mavica FD95, with Sony add on wide angle lens and filters, extra batteries and the original box it came in. Having a real lens really allows this camera to take some fantastic pictures .
I’m a younger man and many of my early family photos were taken on an MVC-CD1000, so I really enjoy you covering this line of camera.
WOAH!! can we talk about Brandon's synth collection? it's looks like he's got some seriously cool stuff.
Thanks! Check out my channel to hear some of them.
zibbybone oohhh! Subscribed!
You should do a video on the history of the CD and CD drives!
Andy Moran Better - Complete History of Data Storage. That will be a great video.
Radu Cismaru Totally! I'd even watch it in multiple parts if it took up that much time. Loves me some 8-bit guy vids
Andy Moran I'd wait months for this!
The Mavica was AWESOME! Back in the 90s. I worked in a test lab and I convinced the boss to buy one. It was really great for making test reports with pictures of our setups.
Hey! I just found this channel about 2 months ago and am really enjoying it all. Good job 8-Bit Guy
Reaction shots. Someone's getting fancy with their videos :-)
EveryThingOld
I hope he didn't have a 2nd camera, so all those reaction shots were shot separate. XD I appreciate the effort though, this channel keeps getting better and better!
I just picked up a Mavica for $2 at a thrift store, I'm going to go and restore it soon. Great video! (Also, I happened to find the FD88, so... 😏)
I got an fd73 for a dollar
uliek potato I bought a new battery for it, and it turns out it doesnt work, so...
You should make a video about.
I still have my FDC-95!!
But too good camera
Thank you for the Dallas tour, been many years since I was there, man has it grown lol. Thanks again.
I can't believe I found this video! I was a self employed web designer/developer back in 97 - 01. The biggest PITA was digitizing analog pics. The Mavica changed my world, I loved that thing! Most reactions were like: "What........is.........THAT!?" As good as it was, the Olympus Camedia C550 made digital cameras go mainstream. I still have my Camedia and I'm telling you it takes better pictures than many modern digital units. The way it captures light is just other worldly. When I want to take some serious photography, I still pull out the C550 all these years later.
My first digital camera was a Mavica CD. I still have all those 3" CD's sitting around that I can view....
Goes online to buy mavica, price has skyrocketed beyond $1500. Dangit.
i found one in my city thriftshop for 25 bucks. don't give up yo
What??? I might be able to hook you up bro
The later models can be had pretty cheap if you look around - I found a working FD87 at a thrift store a couple months ago for $5.
was lucky to get one for free (FD92) ebay battery $20 , i am happy with it, a great trip down memory lane. what i would have been able to capture during that time it came out (2001)
Thanks to these videos for making prices skyrocket on eBay!
My 2019 Macbook Pro still doesn't have a USB.
Apple don't put usp in there phone or pc If you like to have one use windows. Not ios or android
It does. It has USB-C.
USB-C is better in every way, and compatible.
Peter Davis but lightning is *SEXIER*
@@ZaHandle whats a lightning?
Excellent video on these vintage cameras! Makes me nostalgic and thankful for the modern digital cameras Thank you!
I had one of these cameras. I bought it new for $700. The camera was under 1 MegaPixel if I remember correctly.
11:04 thats weird that he filmed himself smiling and nodding when the guys was taliking to the camera, and if the guy was still talking when he was nodding and smiling, the camera would have been right were the guy was standing lol
Anthony Quigley It’s probably two cameras, b-rolls are a thing yo
I noticed that too! It really does look funny!
I love the sound of the floppy drive when it changes tracks. That sound really takes me back to being a kid.
My main AIM teacher back in late 4th to 5th grade(2009 to 2010) had a floppy disk camera that she had us use for multiple projects & would use the camera to photograph events. It had incredible image quality & could take quite amount of photos. Still impressive for a digital camera that stores to floppy disk.
Sony Mavica was my first digital camera!!! Loved that thing so much!
I can hear "You kids have it easy" already...
Wow, my dad had one of those and still used it well into the late 2000's. I always thought it was so weird but oddly convenient, especially in a country where you could still see floppy discs being used in 2010.
Fascinating. I did not know of these cameras. And you certainly seemed to cover them ENTIRELY. Thank you for this video.
8:23 Somebody's needing a new bed door...
Some people actually take the door off on purpose. They think is helps fuel efficiency. But it doesn't really
Haha my husband had one of these when I first met him. I screwed around with it for a while. The resolution was okay...certainly better than my own first digital camera. I think he used it to take pics of his artwork.
how old are you ?
We had a FD7 at my first job in an airflow lab. Years later in the days of Megapixels, I was looking through old photos and I'm still impressed that a 640x480 photo could be.
So far ahead of its time, so memory comes back from my 4th or 5th grade elementary computer class, we used these! Was awesome! We were working on publisher or word if i remember right. So cool though. Looking back as a photographer now and using a sony a7ii and canon 5d mark ii both full frame. It’s just so neat! Thanks for sharing and giving so much info on it.
That chair you were sitting in was wonderful. All of your videos should be narrated from you sitting in that chair now.
My son, Comic Drake, uses one of my thrones in his videos.
Who needs to do drugs when you have The 8-Bit Guy?
back in the days, you packed up your floppy disks when you went for a vacation
Years ago when I worked in vehicle rental, we would take digital images of each vehicle as it went on hire and eep the floppy disc in a folder with the rental paperwork. When the vehicle came back and there were no problems, we'd re-use the disc. When memory cards came in to play, it was a much more arduous task to upload the images to a shared server, then remember to delete them afterwards. The FD87 certainly had a place in our industry.
640 x 480 is still plenty good enough to me
Yes to a point. 640x480 just isn`t up to modern standards at all. Heck, I can get 3000x2000 out of scanned 35mm film. Digital cameras back then were awful as the sensors and lens were just not up to the task at all. 35mm blew it out of the water in quality.
640 x 480 oughta be enough for anyone.
untseac Except with that early of a digital camera you get poor quality 640x480 images so the point is moot.
MattExzy Disagree especially with native screen resolutions only increasing. 640x480 is also not the best for print either.
untseac When I was making home videos for DVD, I shot all the stills to be used in my "movies" in 640x480 because that was close to the destination display (Standard definition CRT TV set.) For that it was fine. (I still use it when I need a Pre HDTV look).
LS-120 was awesome. Never knew that this camera existed. To bad ZIP-drive won out.
I had a portable parallel zip drive back in the late 90's mainly because it was cheaper then the LS-120 for both the drives, and media, plus the overall software drivers where better on Windows 98, but then again even with 200MB, zip disc and 1GB Jazz drives none of it lasted much longer once CD Burners became common place shortly afterwards.
The cool thing about having a ls-120 was that it could also rescue bad 1.44 and 2.88 disks that could not be read by new drives
It's funny that David said that no one ever tried to make the floppy drive faster... but the LS-120 drives read standard floppy disks a lot faster than a standard floppy drive. The original drives were super flaky though, and read 1.44's poorly. I still have dozens of superdisks in a box somewhere....
Diggnuts True that, and I remember the commericals somewhat making that a selling point, but like i said price was a big factor for the ZIP drive, and should have also mentioned some computers even came preinstalled with internal 100MB zip drive by default like some Gateway, and Compaq models if I remember correctly.
Commodorefan64 Compaq backed both horses in the media race, they also preinstalled LS120 drives in some of their machines. I owned both Zip and LS120 back in the late 90's but by far preferred the LS120. I actually still use a LS120 today to read/write floppy disks in my modern PC.
I'm glad to see none of these used the PC parallel/printer port like many devices did before USB became widely available.
I remember sitting in coffee shops in 1997, flipping through the newest issue of Chip or PC-World magazine and drooling over those Mavicas! Back then I could barely afford the coffee, let alone the cameras! Thanks for the memories! 😊
OMG IM WEARING THE EXACT SAME TAKE ME BACK SHIRT RIGHT NOW 8-BIT GUY!!!!
4:23 sitting here quarantined in 2020 reminiscing about Emilio
My Dad had the Sony with the black floppy in front of it @ 0:18 He got it to use for eBay. He was one of the early auctioneers. Was state of the art for its time. Blows my mind the value of some antiques...
The menu sounds bring back memories. My Dad has one of these (i think the fd-75) and he used it a lot to take pics of his rc helicopter stuff (this was like 8 years ago too). I eventually found the FD7 at Goodwill around 6 months ago. I don't use it really and bought it, mainly, to add to my collection of old tech.
Obrigado 8 bit guy, eu nunca tinha visto câmeras assim antes, não sabia que isso existiu um dia. A câmera com CD me surpreendeu de verdade.
I remember that a friend of mine had a Mavica and when she emailed out the photos, we couldn't open the photos because they weren't in .jpg format. I had to hit one of those "clearance" software stores to get some cheap software that do the conversion.
I'm old enough to remember floppy discs but young enough to where I haven't had much experience using them (when I was a kid they were in the process of being replaced by CDs, SD cards, and flash drives) so I never knew the wide variety of uses that a floppy disc really had. I think these cameras are cute and charming. I would love to try one someday.
So I watched this video a couple years ago and went rummaging through my house the other day and found my moms old mavica! The videos were honestly really good for 1997 very cool to see.
9:10 "...without *any fear of being attacked* by a giant robot." *Proceeds to be attacked by a giant robot*
Thst last cam takes better photos than my iphone 8 plus
I've found most smart phone cameras well...suck. Course its supposed to be a phone not a professional studio camera in the first place LOL. My $150 Canon Powershot A510 takes far better photos than any cell phone camera I've had...cell phone camera is great for an emergency but if you are taking pictures to use professionally you should be using a professional camera LOL.
The last camera just beats my modern digital camera and completely thrashes my phones camera.
This os the first time i have heard of someone with an iphone 8, how is it?
@@wildbill23c Thar Galaxy Note 9 is one of the most beautiful phone cameras I have ever seen.
Hahaha There’s actually some truth to this. The picture quality in less than perfect conditions (low light, moving subjects, etc) requires a larger sensor and a bigger lens to excel. It is literally a constraint of how much light your camera can collect in time. Phone cameras have tiny sensors and tiny lenses and will produce shit low light shots no matter how advanced the technology gets. An old DSLR camera or even dedicated point and shoot will outperform the tiny phone camera in less than perfect light conditions.
the funny thing is also that the pictures you took brandnew with FD5 all are looking vintage when you look back on them, even the blue car looks like it was shot with the Sony mavica in the 90's.. amazing.
My dad had a few of these Mavicas for work and I loved playing with them. We didn't have a computer in the house at the time though.
Can we talk about all of those pumpkins in the fountain?
No
I actually thought those were that red ball Gary from SpongeBob in that one episode played with.
Holy cow what am i doing with my life? Ive been bench watching ur vids for days straight. Good job sir
Lots of information and research you made . Thank you to make me know about Sony Mavica floppy driver.
wow I used one of the Sony ones back in the day to make 360 panoramic for my school website. The tech classes I went to really did expose me to a lot of things I am still interested in today.
Oh, one million subscribers. Congratualations! 2019/11/12
The sound of that disk drive ... brings back memory’s. Also sony was one of the first to have sounds on button klicks. There was one minolta film camera that had some speech.
Yass, the Minolta AF Sv Just restored one! Fell in love with it instantly
Love those serial port connections. I remember syncing my camera to my Linux box with and watching the transfer in a text terminal.
I remember having the Mavica FD7 in elementary school and we used them to make old fashioned stop motion videos. So nostalgic!
+1 for the music, UT music rocks. also, more brandon sharing his expertise pls!
oh and your audio is a lot better now. still fun to watch the old episodes!
3:03 There were PCMCIA adapters for desktops, but they took up a 5.25" drive bay and could be problematic, especially on WinNT4. (These adapters typically required shutdown of the desktop before changing cards.)
They also existed in a PCI card addon (And now, these are usually plug and play, even on Win10)
We had one of those in my computer class. It was bad, but good for the time. It was hilarious to hear that floppy disk sound every time a pic was taken.
In 1999 I ended up getting a Olympus D-620L which was one of the first DSLR, with fixed lens. It used some memory card that was floppy compatible with an adapter. The image quality was excellent and the pictures I took with it still look great today.