It's Not Just Diesel Anymore: Cummins Built a GAS Engine We Want to See in the Next Ram HD!
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I work for Cummins and seeing the tech they’re coming out with behind the scenes is mind blowing. Excited for what’s coming out!
have they fixed the diesel block yet .they lighten up new design and now it stretches
@@overbuiltautomotive1299 what engine are we talking about?
The 6.7…they reduced the block weight and now the crank main caps are fretting
@@marcusrussell3375 I know they reduced the weight but the engineers also claim that it’s stronger than ever. In the heady duty world we don’t really see issues with the bottom end on an ISB. We do see a lot of dropped valve seats and what not.
@overbuiltautomotive1299 the engine that's in the Ram trucks is completely different from the actual B6.7 engines
We have 7 15L Cummins running on natgas here in the oil field. All have over 50,000hrs on them trouble free.
We’ve ran propane mowers for landscaping and the oil always looked new on them. Just didn’t have the pick up gasoline does
915 cubic inches
Are these ISX12 N engines? The X15 N is brand new and hasn't been around for 50k hrs (7+ years). Or were they converted for dual fuel?
Do you see lot of cat 3520 natgas engines?
@@freedomisntfree_44i see what u did there
Gasoline. The best delete kit made. I literally specifically ordered my Duallie 3500 with a Hemi to avoid the issues of Diesel Regulations.
Particulate filters are coming for gas engines.
The EPA is completely corrupt. I used to work in emissions and I watched as the Diesel just got destroyed by regulations. Everything go tso sophisticated it is an abomination. My belief is they EPA is in cahoots and wants to shut down the entire internal combustion prime mover industry. Electricity is a SECONDARY energy. That means you have to generate it somewhere else then put it to work remotely as in wires everywhere or batteries. It is so inefficient to do it that way. but people are just sitting and letting them take our freedom away from us. We need to take a stand somehow and shut the EPA right down and disassemble it.
Shhhh, if everyone knows our secret, gas engines will be more expensive. "YEAH DUDE, GAS IS FOR PUSSYS!"
Good thing you are a liar. Otherwise you are dumb.
A hemi and straight six gas engine are not equal. Your gonna drop a valve far before a cummins would.
Cummins already makes natural gas engines for their natural gas generators that we use offshore and on hospitals in South Louisiana and also for water pump stations some big 6.7 L engines that work off natural gas. Or to run on diesel, the engine designed to run on natural gas or diesel whatever fuel you have.
I bet the gasoline launches forst
One thing I think is that if they give up Cummins in heavy duty truck while the other manufacturers still have their diesels they will loose. Ram Trucks are very nice trucks but Cummins is a big part of what people like about them. Replacing the Hemi with a Cummins gas engine might work as long as it performs but if they give up Cummins diesel for some in house motor I think that would be a huge mistake. Cummins has a loyal following and I think people will walk away without it.
I think it just allows for more and better options. Because Cummins and Ram are so good, and like you said, Cummins has a loyal following, Ram and Cummins might do better with this head change tech. I love Cummins, I’d buy any engine they make, gas, math as, or diesel, great engines
The cummins name is the only reason Ram uses their engine. Fiat makes their own 6.7 engine for their CNH equipment. (case/new holland)
Kubota did this because they already had diesel blocks, doesn't work the other way around because diesel blocks are stronger than gas blocks. Could make a VERY long lasting gas enginge
Agree, The big challenge for a spark ignited engine is the ability to transfer heat into the jacket water. With direct injection, 3 way catalyst and a specific cylinder head this engine could be really successful. It takes more than just putting a spark plug into a diesel head and calling it a day.
The look on Nathan's Face @0:17 when Andre makes a Sir Mix Alot reference, is priceless, lol.
I can't believe he didn't laugh out loud! Lol
this will be the next "12 valve" as far as reliability and cost of ownership. I have been saying this for years, someone needs to build an industrial straight 6 gas turbo commercial hybrid platform. they will eventually get a ton of torque out of this thing.
Good to see some ICE innovation in the face of the EV onslaught.
Geee... If you don't consume Fux and OAN you would know nothing stopped on the ICE side.
So will the gasoline 6.7L inline 6 cylinder be turbocharged? A 6.7L turbo inline 6 gas engine would actually be pretty cool.
We'll put Gail Banks to work on that.
Well if they got a crate engine solution and you can put it in an existing Ram because you want to get rid of the death filters and still have the ability to pull a trailer or haul a load that would be awesome and the possibility you could retrofit this to an older truck and have a stick shift behind it
International used to build a huge I6 gasoline engine. The biggest one was 501 ci. But they also had 401,406,450.
1091 Hall-Scott inline 6…
International is absolute junk!
I think it's a great idea for Ram to use these. Heck, they don't have to change any tooling, just built the chassis for the existing diesel and the gas version of this will bolt right up.
Here's hoping we actually see this show up in HD trucks preferably in both gas and diesel versions, but if nothing else, in a gas version!
Multi fuel engines have been around for industrial and military since the the 1930's
This isn't multi fuel. Each engine will still be only single fuel type
Thank you for calling it multi fuel. That's what is was, is, and has always been the term. Not this bs term that Cummins is calling it.
@@gearhead7896 Yeah, they refine it and give it raised white letters and they've reinvented the wheel. 🤔
@@davidroche9964 🤣😅🤣 Reminds me of tron legacy when they ask well what improvements have we made to OS12 and the CEO says we put a 12 on the box
@@gearhead7896 Yep, marketing 101 ! 🤨
YES, this interests me very much. In fact the concept and application of multi-fuel diesel/inline engines has been used by US Army 2.5 and 5 ton military trucks since the 1960’s. This has a military component in it as well!!!!
Abrams can run on Diesel or Jet ✈️
We have buses with the 6.7 that run in CNG. Super quiet engines.
In the 90s there was available a natural gas and diesel mixed fuel aftermarket kit for large trucks and later for smaller diesel vehicles. These used about 25% methane and 75% diesel. The improvement in noise, emissions, mpg, and smoothness was incredible. It was also complicated. But it might have been better than DPF measures.
As an engineer at a truck manufacturer, I have more recent experience with Diesel engines that have aftermarket conversions to run on natural gas. On smaller engines, like a Cummins B, they entirely eliminate the Diesel fuel by installing spark plugs in place of the injectors and pumping natural gas into the intake manifold. On larger engines, like a Cummins X, they make dual-fuel system that uses a small amount of Diesel fuel as a pilot injection to light off the natural gas.
The gas Cummins, especially with numbers like you mention, would absolutely entice me to look at new trucks. I think it could wipe the floor with Fords 7.3 v8.
Absolutely interested in all the power plants that Cummins is making, and hopefully ram stays with Cummins
Really nice to see more Internal combustion options for real world needs. especially working & commercial duty trucks.... Plus... being that it's using the traditional Diesel block.... which is designed for high cylinder pressures of diesel combustion/Turbo..... This would make this a Very Robust candidate for performance upgrades.... this might be a MONSTER if done right. looking forward to more details... Imagine a Ram 5500 with a Cummins Gas? sweet.
Imaging this with a 10 speed Eaton
Ford could always dust off the schematics for the ford 300 and just improve the head and maybe add a turbo changing nothing with the bottom end and be bulletproof
325hp and 660lb-ft torque is incredible. Those are 05-07 diesel engine numbers and those trucks tended to pull heavy loads just fine.
This is old news. Interesting, but even with an alumimum head, the 6.7 bottom end is still extremely heavy.
And your point is???
@@thecamdenyard For one thing, the Ram 2500 is already payload deficient, so unless they get rid of the 10K GVWR this will make it worse.
Cummins is gonna do this. I spoke with a sales rep years ago
Its a fail project, even the thought. Cummins will lose money, they better stick to that diesel
The M35A2 DUCE 1/2 engine was also one of the first multi-fuel platforms able to run on diesel, Kerosene, Marine Oil, And gasoline. Powered by an LDT 465 in-line 6 cylinder turbocharged multi-fuel engine.
Yesterday was a multifuel engine. These will be limited to the fuel they were set up for.
According to rumors in Auburn Hills, a second engine is planned for these trucks. It, too, would be an inline six-cylinder, but engineered specifically for truck engines. The new engine is rumored to be larger-3.7 liters-and to have a more traditional design, other than an odd 30° tilt. A source within Engineering told us that it was tilted over to make room for accessories on the side so that it could fit into smaller engine bays; and to provide space for a better air path, increasing its efficiency. ...
Oh, so they're going back to the leaning-tower-of-power, the 225 slant 6?🤣👍👍
Bad idea just use Cummins
The reason for tilting any inline engine is to lower the hood line of the vehicle.
I think I heard they were talking a hurricane with a little more displacement for the heavy duty pickups. It would make sense to offer the Cummins gas and cng engines alongside the diesel.
Great news from Cummins.
They need to bring back the G56!
Old School. Been doing it since 1981. In a BIG Truck. And in the Oil Field For Many many Years. We Ran on Propane over the Road. The B 5.9 in the Oil Field on Nature Gas. 220 Cummins on propane was the first one we did then a 270. Ford HIE off a Volkswagen distb. Gear 10.5 comp. Imco carb. It’s about time they bring it to market.
I've had 12 BMWs built and tuned like a diesel but with gas e85 fuel. low 4500rpm, small turbo, same afr as a diesel would. works fantastic. cheap corn fuel but 30mpg in a 6000lb x5 that tows with zero issues and makes diesel low end torque an new normal diesel top end. I'm really surprised it's taken this long for anyone to do
Good day N54 Do u live in North america? Bmw are english! Thanks
@@donvoll2580 BMW is European
I imagine that Ram will probably offer the Hurricane I6 as a base engine with the upgrade to the 6.7 Cummins gasser or diesel. The diesel will probably remain as the highest priced and highest performing engine while the gasser 6.7 will be a mid tier offering. I think the gas powered Cummins will be cheaper because it doesn't require the emissions systems the diesel does, and diesel fuel injection is more complex versus gasoline fuel injection, even in direct injection applications.
Wow I thought this was an April fools gag, but it's on their site. Ha.
I thought we were expecting a derivative of the Godzilla Ford 7.3 or 6.8 with twin turbos to work in this class but with regular petrol. It sure would be cool to see these options in the Heavy Duty space.
I drive a 2014 school bus and it uses a natural gas Cummins
How's the power compared to diesel?
I have a 2019 Ram 2500 with 6.7 Cummins and would make the move in 2025 to a 6.7 Cummins gas if it came out. I think it will happen just unsure of timeline. Time will tell! Thanks👍
Cummins has been working on a CNG/Hydrogen version of the X15 for along time. They already have a Head conversion for the X15 and ISB 6.7
I had a 250 straight six in a 74 C20 that I preferred over 305 V8's. Same thing with 300 straight six Ford's, I preferred the 300 inline six over 302 V8's in trucks. They don't lug as bad as more powerful V8's. There is a legitimate reason why the inline six is the preferred platform for industrial diesel engines. My 74 C10 was used to haul scrap metal here in hilly western Pennsylvania. It wasn't worth taking a load in if it was under 2,000 pounds and she kept up with traffic just fine even on hills. I had an 86 F250 with the 300 six that was a rack truck that spent its life overloaded with ladders and scaffolding. The same deal, she kept up with traffic without giving any thought to it. Both happened to be manual transmission equipped, the 74 C20 was a column shift 3 speed and the 86 F250 was a 4 speed. Both had great fuel economy and neither had overdrive. With OD I suspect either would rival the fuel economy of any modern 3 liter v6 powered SUV or truck.
The model T used a multi fuel engine. A look back on big truck engines I have a 1948 Brockway with a Continental R6572 gas engine (inline 6 572 CID) Continental built the RD6572 which was the diesel version just a different head.
The reason it says no after treatment or DEF is because it is the screen highlighting the gas version.
Very interesting and great new technology!
I remember when I was younger, all the UPS step vans used the Ford 300 inline 6. Makes sense to bring back that engine architecture. Less moving parts, better reliability, and since it's gasoline powered, there's more available fueling for it.
Inline engines do seem to be making a comeback, though obviously with turbochargers since people expect a modern level of power and torque.
Nice.... I could see the possibility of the 1 block for 3 different engines (if you can call it that) would make manufacturing more effective both in process and in cost. Great concept
My '08 Jayco RV on the E450 chassis has a Cummins gas engine in it. It's the generator, but... 😉🤣
Cummins bought out Onan a while back.
@@scotcoon1186 that was the Idea
It's something they've been doing already for years. It's expanding to more fuels now, but the diesel and CNG versions of their mid range road going stuff has been sharing a block for years, among other components. I'm interested to see how many other components the new versions share across platforms. The natural gas versions in the bus fleet locally seem to be the most cost efficient, and least maintenance intensive option. With minimal aftertreatment required, they are very simple. But, they run HOT. There was/is a massive recall for the early models that melted the pistons since they ran significantly lighter than the diesel. Turbos are vacuum controlled wastegate systems as opposed to VGTs. I personally don't like the lack of power, but they work well overall.
This engine would be crazy expensive for a gas engine compared to the hurricane. I can see this as a replacement for the diesel but will someone pay 10k for an upgraded gas engine.
Why? The hurricane is a from scratch engine. New tooling new block new everything this is a 6.7 with a aluminum head and cast pistons. Hurricane will shit the crank out the block of it had to make 650+ftlbs at 2k rpm
If not diesel, but same engine it would be interesting to see the price diff. I wonder how much of that 10k premium is caused by fines and diesel regs.
If they can keep the cost of the gasoline engine option to $4000 over base, I think it will sell well. The diesel option costs ~$10,000. The gas engine should be cheaper due to no DPF or SCR systems, and the fuel system will be cheaper as well.
This engine would not, in my opinion, be an option for large hd trucks. It’s fit would be better in the medium duty truck market, say in the freightliner M 200 series or any of the large box delivery vans. The natural gas option for these trucks would be a better fit. Hydrogen gas is a pipe dream for anything not mounted to a stationary platform. Just not enough heat energy in the gas to make it truly viable for anything else. Natural gas options have been around for years. They burn cleaner than gas and have fewer emissions problems and a very good maintenance cost per mile over the diesel. I don’t look to see this in any Ram pickups. Just don’t think there would be enough cost difference to make Ram dump their newly designed six cylinder engine.
@@DJ-ve5lr I would think a huge part of the $9k+ Ram charges for the Cummins is due to the SCR/DPF systems. That's like $6k to replace. The 6.4 Hemi to 6.7 gas Cummins would be more like $2-4k I would think.
I saw one of the natural gas semi trucks on Texas Interstate operated by UPS a couple of weeks ago.
they are using them for very long time now
You put the gas version in a 2500 and you would convert my fleet from GM to Ram overnight. That 6.7 Cummins gasser with a ZF 8 speed IS A PERFECT recipe.
More Nathan, he is the best. I want to see him in every video
We have a few school busses with Cummins V8 CNG/Propane..they have done very good...
They do have parts in common, but Stellantis has a deal with Cummins to have a separate motor for the Rams. The B6.7 Diesel is found in the Freightliner M2-106 and International Medium duty and ICCEs so it will most likely be in thosr
Chevy did this in the late 70’s and early 80’s. They took an Oldsmobile v8. They took the olds 350 changed pistons and put on diesel heads and intake. My dad had one in an 81 caprice. When it finally gave out. We swapped the heads out for gas heads and 2 barrel intake and ran the heck out of it for several years.
This approach makes sense in a number of ways, I do expect Ram to offer this relatively soon!
There are transit busses running CNG manufactured by Nova Bus. They are Cummins manufactured diesel based power plants. Very emissions clean, ISL 8.9 L .
Very smart idea
My wife love her Ram 2500 4wd with that beastly 6.7L. As long as the gas engine has a VGT turbo, it will be accepted. The ZF 8-speed powerline transmission should be a plus. The Jeep JLU performs better than the JKU because of the extra lower gears with the 8-speed transmission.
why VGT turbo on a gasoline engine ? why not regular waste gated turbo ?
@hellohumans175 - The VGT have 3 benefits, 1st is a faster response at lower rims, 2nd is enhanced engine braking, and 3rd is less energy and fuel wasted.
In my line of business, we run the ISX15 natural gas engine, which is the same as their diesel engine, but the head just has spart plugs, and everything else is almost the same.
Cummins has been using natural gas 5.9L engines in generators for a while now. There is even natural gas DD series 60s in generators too.
Based on current trends the only thing I'm certain of is stellantis will probably do the wrong thing.
I kind of feel the same way they definitely need a big time upgrade to their powertrain and the fact they haven’t put the money and time into the v8 is strange
So here’s the Ram thing: currently, the Power Wagon isn’t optioned with a diesel because (according to Ram) the larger engine interferes with the sway bar disconnect and the winch. If the 6.7 Cummins moves into the Ram lineup, it either means that the PW gets redesigned to accept the bigger engine, or it goes away entirely.
That can be figured out. Easy if wanted
@@Upliftyourbrothers I assume it already has been: I don’t think it’s an accident that the next version of the Ram HD is expected at the same time as the new Cummins engine.
Hey the 6,7L is all ready in the Ram lineup. I have a Ram 3500SRW with a 6.7 Cummins.
Ram should have an option to bolt on an Eaton Fuller manual transmission to the Cummins engine
No they shouldn’t
I'd jump all over that if a manual transmission is offered.
Why not
@@VHP7044 Why would they? It’s pointless. Useless. Never gonna happen
They have to cut power when the automatic shifts, then ease it back in. The dealers would have a steady stream of rear ends to warranty with a manual.
Brings back nightmares from the days when GM and others tried converting gas engines to diesel engines! We don’t ever want to go back to those days!!
There is a big difference between going from gas to diesel or diesel to gas, diesel engine blocks and parts are way stronger, this gas Cummins may be just as tough or tougher then the old ford inline 6 .
Much tougher!
This would be the only reason I would look at a Ram 2500. I was all in on another brand and there gas engine. I will wait and see where this goes. Straight 6's have been around a very long time and proven how good they are.
I think it would be a genius move and a very cost effective way to have multiple engine options for Ram. The manufacturing cost would be streamlined like crazy
Would be crazy for the racing scene. Could run some wild boost numbers with e85+/race fuel
YES ! I am all for a gas 6.7L as long as they can keep the EGR off of the motor ! Also having it available as a crate motor option for hot rod builds 👏🏻
I’d love to see this power train open the door for some gasoline powered Super C RV’s. Something that can tow better than the Godzilla but not break the bank like a Diesel.
Ram talked with Cummins about making a 6.7 liter gas engine years ago
In the 70s when I was in the air force Cummins already had multi fuel engines. So now there doing it in the electronic Era.
I've got an F-350 dualie with a diesel, it runs great but it's not a Cummins. I bought it just because it was pre-DEF. I'm just learning what that is, used to work on newspaper trucks back in the eighties, wish I'd realized then what they were going to do now.
The company I work for has been running thousands of cng otr trucks and package delivery vehicles for probably around 8 years. If you have any thoughts on owning one, you had better make darn sure you have a pumping station everywhere you plan to go. The range is very limited. They eat spark plugs like candy. They crack cylinder heads more frequently than they should. Power is not equal to diesel. I am glad that I still drive a diesel
Come to Rocky Mount, North Carolina and see them put together NOW 👍 4/10/24
I’m looking at them everyday 👍🏾👍🏾
Bring it on now
The cowboy hat looks good on Andre. As for Nathan's cap: Taxi! 🚕😁
Was waiting for something like this a long time! Nice to see some major changes and trying to get away from the DEF crap somehow.
If you know anything about older military trucks, White Motor Company built the multifuel engines for the M35A1 trucks. Instead of complex electronics, the injection pump system measured the viscosity of the fuel to cause the distributor injection pump to deliver the proper amounts to individual mechanical fuel injectors. This is a more complex way to do some of the same things using a common rail fuel system, or did they go back to individual fuel injector pressure lines from the high pressure pump source? Cummins has already tried extremely high pressure common rail fuel feed to the injectors. Any screamer Detroit 2 stroke is a common rail fuel source engine, any 855 Cummins and brethren. A new version of old with new engineer trying and money.
Would have been good to include the Hurricane Six in the discussion. Unsure if it could be beefy enough for a HD pickup, but it's the only current option if the 6.4 is going away.
Makes sense, but will it work in the current power wagon?
Heck yeah, I'd be interested in such an inline six for the Ram HD. What other reasonable alternatives are there? I don't think I'd trust the new Hurricane six for such duty, and if it's based off of the Cummins 6.7 diesel block, it should be more than stout enough for HD pickup and fleet duty too. This could easily grab Ram some market share!
I thought this was announced that they were working on this a couple years ago. In fact I think I heard the news from TFL
Nice to have the option to switch fuel at rebuild time. Especially with turbulent fuel prices. Swich again if things change up
there is at least one ram with a 6.7 gas cummins, there is a video on youtube that is at a cummins event and there is a 2018 Ram with the engine as well as some 3 and 5ton trucks.
When I started working in the oil fields, I was surprised to find out that Cummins made a massive natural gas engine to power the gas compressors.
It will be nice to have a cummins that can be idled without the anxiety of wet stacking slowly leading to lifter failure. Let's just hope it doesn't have some hilarious oversight like the grid heater bolt coming loose and grenading the engine.
I’ve always wondered the kind of life expectancy you could get out of a gasoline engine if it was way overbuilt like the typical diesel engine. 500k would likely be no problem. Probably could go well beyond that with good maintenance. Big straight 6 gas engines are awesome, better than V8s. With a turbo it’ll be a monster. This would be awesome in a HD ram. No DPF, DOC or SCR. 325hp 660lb ft is more than enough for what most do with a pickup truck. Although I do love the 850lb ft of torque with my 6.7.
Don't be too surprised if you see a GPF on that truck when/if it hits the market. Gasoline Particulate Filter. They've been on vehicles overseas for several years and are starting to show up on some in the USA. In particular the new Ford nautilus SUV. I expect them to be more common as the new EPA '27 rules get implemented.
The aftertreatment tech required to make diesels work is its Achilles' heel. Cummins is smart to push the CNG and gasoline options. The marketing play for the B6.7 Octane is that it's so overbuilt it will basically last forever. The question is whether they can make it efficient enough to overcome its extra weight compared to the V8s in the Ford and Chevy. An interesting alternative would be a turbo 4-cylinder version of the B6.7 Octane; it could boast superior efficiency and not have the weight penalty of the 6-cylinder.
What I really want to know is if I could swap out the 68rfe for the new ZF 8 speed in my 2017 Ram Cummins....??
It would be interesting to see how much of a gov fine there is for building diesels when they also offer same engine but gas for $10k less? Or somewhere in between.
I read an article in MotorTrend Truck magazine about Cummins producing a gas engine. Also waiting to see what back of tricks GM is working on with their gas engines.
Not sure this will make standard pickups. The torque is amazing but the loss of 90HP or so would be noticed in a street truck too.
Please be aware that the 6.4 Hemi BGE is NOT the same engine as the 6.4 Hemi Apache that was in the cars. The GBE is only used in the HD trucks. I can see RAM keeping the Hemi V8 as the base engine with the Cummins gas being an option along. with the diesel.
looks amazing. Slap some turbos on it
i love big trucks, i cannot lie lol
Great video guys! Unfortunately, with Stalantis being an Itaian company, I honestly don't see the Ram HDs lasting much longer. They don't care that much about the American market, and the truck doesn't sell as well as the the other two. This is the start of the downhill of Ram.
i am very interested in such an engine. Please continue research.
I bet the power output for a pickup truck would be a lot higher then the medium duty trucks too!
Make it happen !!💯💯
The computer's prompt "You're a manager'? 😂
They put in the Cummins gasser, it will be my next new truck.