LOKI: What's the Point? | EVERYTHING Explained + Full MARVEL Series Breakdown

2021 ж. 26 Шіл.
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Loki's first season is over, but the show has given us much to reflect on. What of the series' many themes abut free will, determinism, fascism and anarchy? Loki's roots as a Norse god defined by loops, while his MCU version repeats his own vicious cycles? In this video we break down the symbolism and hidden meaning of the show, and ask ourselves: what's the point?
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Loki is a character defined by loops. This trait stretches all the way back to his roots in Norse mythology. Myths are stories that have been repeated again and again over the centuries. Unlike a film or a book, Loki’s story has been told, retold, and shaped by countless people.
And everyone told their stories of the god of mischief a little differently, resulting in tiny variations. Just like in the show, there are variations of Loki from many different timelines. But what is a timeline, if not just another story? Another way of telling this tale?
Loki’s story, like all myths, is always in the process of being told by someone, somewhere. So, unlike the MCU Loki, his story never ends. This is one of the many loops that defines Loki’s existence. Myths--like a circle--are ongoing, without a defined beginning, middle and end.
But also, within Norse mythology, Loki’s story is defined by a loop. He instigates Ragnarok, the destruction of Asgard, which in turn leads to the rebirth of Asgard, and the loop begins anew.
It’s only fitting that this personal cycle has been reelected in the MCU’s version. Loki always felt like an outcast, the comic book reading nerd in a small town where people loved basketball. Or in this case, the boy who loved magic and tricks, in a society where warriors were honored.
Loki grew up to resent Thor for the way people loved him, and he secretly wanted to be his brother.
He acted out to get attention, like cutting off Sif’s hair. In episode 4, the memory loop with Sif is indicative of Loki’s own personal loop. He can never escape his self-hate and guilt, because no matter what--he did those bad things. And no amount of attention will ever make him loved like Thor.
And yet, he tried to imitate and outdo his brother by attempting genocide of the frost giants [clip]. If Thor wanted to kill a few frost giants, then Loki would kill them all, to sever all ties to his birthplace, and prove he was Asgard’s greatest hero. But, he was rejected.
When he realizes the people would never love him like Thor, Loki decides to play the role of a villain, the monster they always saw him as.
Thus, MCU Loki began his own vicious cycle. Pretending to be a villain, faking his own death--all ploys to get the attention he craves. So he won’t feel alone [his breakdown to Sif where he says he’s alone, etc] When he steals the throne from Odin, he doesn’t try to conquer the Nine realms. He doesn't unleash the casket of winters on Midgard. He creates the illusion that his father loved him. He poses as Odin to aggrandize himself.
If Loki can’t earn his father’s love, then he can steal it. But this just kept him inside the loop, until he allowed himself to truly connect with others.
Loki finally did break his cycle, only to have it reiterated again in this show.
But Loki’s relationship to loops is also reflected in the philosophy of the TVA. They consume media on reels--and reels are a kind of loop. The film reel of Loki’s life appears linear, when viewed one frame at a time. But, when you step back the story of his life is actually a loop, a flat circle.
The flat circle theory of time travel states that a 4th dimensional being could step back and see existence not as a film strip, but the reel itself. A flat circle, where our lives have already been burned into the film, and our fates are written.
This is how the TVA perceives time. So Loki’s life story, this film strip, is just another cruel loop.

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  • What should we explain the point of next?

    @ScreenCrush@ScreenCrush2 жыл бұрын
    • Civil war

      @supermariogalaxy376@supermariogalaxy3762 жыл бұрын
    • Perhaps Black Widow, since so many reviews have remarked on why releasing the movie now, knowing she’s gone already, was pointless

      @JamesBurnell@JamesBurnell2 жыл бұрын
    • Will loki affect eternal and Shang chi the ten rings?

      @agastyabhatnagar@agastyabhatnagar2 жыл бұрын
    • I think y'all should look into the Double Slit Quantum eraser and how it shows cause and effect moving forward and backward through time

      @lordcthulhu17@lordcthulhu172 жыл бұрын
    • I'm not crying, you're crying 😭

      @mctv6829@mctv68292 жыл бұрын
  • People keep going with Mobius' thought that Loki falling in love with Sylvie was narcissistic but another reading of it could be that Loki was finally learning to love himself rather than the intense self loathing he'd had so far.

    @SkaiCyan@SkaiCyan2 жыл бұрын
    • I’d also add that Sylvie was totally different from him and that’s what attracted him. When he was surrounded by the variants of himself that were just like him he was super annoyed. Maybe he saw what he could be in her and that drove him to change and be better.

      @Amanda-wh8ww@Amanda-wh8ww2 жыл бұрын
    • @@Amanda-wh8ww I like the scene on the bowling alley because Loki literally sees how the neverending backstabing is pointless and he is determined to find Sylvie again: the only variant who never wanted to be a villain.

      @sylviatamieanan4088@sylviatamieanan40882 жыл бұрын
    • @@sylviatamieanan4088 exactly! And he even says there that she doesn’t want rule the TVA she wants to bring it down. If you really watch their relationship there was no intentional flirting in the beginning or anything. It was him being attracted to how different she was, like any relationship. That’s why I think it was done so well.

      @Amanda-wh8ww@Amanda-wh8ww2 жыл бұрын
    • That’s my take on it. He’s doing IFS therapy in front of our eyes. And that’s how we heal our early attachment injuries and reintegrate and accept all the fractured parts of ourselves.

      @bowdencable7094@bowdencable70942 жыл бұрын
    • @Abe Lincoln They are more him than any twin in real life. Did you forget this is a fiction?

      @SkaiCyan@SkaiCyan2 жыл бұрын
  • Season 2 starts with Mobius on a jet ski having the time of his life. Edit: Thank you everyone for the 1k likes! This made my day!

    @acekiller48@acekiller482 жыл бұрын
    • In fact, the whole season is just that!

      @lotsofspots@lotsofspots2 жыл бұрын
    • Or ends with that... achievement unlocked.

      @oldRighty1@oldRighty12 жыл бұрын
    • … and then gets taken by the TVA 😈

      @cfosburg@cfosburg2 жыл бұрын
    • "Wooooooowwwwww!"

      @popmuertosdayofthedeadmash6075@popmuertosdayofthedeadmash60752 жыл бұрын
    • Ima say you pretty much called that one. You work for the TVA??

      @kenzierains3363@kenzierains33632 жыл бұрын
  • I personally think Loki was made to ease people into how confusing Kang is. Establishing timelines, variants, and well the man himself.

    @bobthedopeman7327@bobthedopeman73272 жыл бұрын
    • Or for Marvel to somehow connect all their IP properties that are leased out to other studios by Conveying the belief of a multiverse which is not connected but connected . Genius on Marvel Studio’s part I must admit

      @darthdebaucherous954@darthdebaucherous9542 жыл бұрын
    • Or you could read the Edna's and get educated about Loki

      @wiccanlez@wiccanlez2 жыл бұрын
    • @@darthdebaucherous954 and yet, the MCU didn’t create a Marvel multiverse that’s already present in the comics.

      @andyscott5277@andyscott52772 жыл бұрын
    • @@darthdebaucherous954 I kept thinking " if they do open the multiverse, every marvel movie becomes cannon." So we DO HAVE Nicholas Cages ghost rider out there somewhere

      @bobthedopeman7327@bobthedopeman73272 жыл бұрын
    • it was literally about his development lmao

      @nothingbutintroverted4372@nothingbutintroverted43722 жыл бұрын
  • He didn’t want to be Thor he only ever wanted to be his equal

    @berlinglasgow4942@berlinglasgow49422 жыл бұрын
    • YES!! That line was one of the most heartbreaking things Loki ever said to Thor. I think it was 110% the truth.

      @Persephone_Personified@Persephone_Personified2 жыл бұрын
    • That's the issue with him. Nobody is equal to nobody, except under the best human justice.

      @neokyol@neokyol2 жыл бұрын
    • Didn't Loki say that in the first movie?

      @catspaw3092@catspaw30922 жыл бұрын
    • @@catspaw3092 yeah he did

      @tdub6542@tdub65422 жыл бұрын
    • @@tdub6542 Odin wasn't doing himself any favors by pitting his sons against each other no parent should be doing that to their kids.

      @catspaw3092@catspaw30922 жыл бұрын
  • Dude, These types of videos are wonderful. You give us the over-arching Character Development that makes these superhero characters seem more realistic. Bravo

    @Moncriefs@Moncriefs2 жыл бұрын
    • Agreed

      @chrischan2106@chrischan21062 жыл бұрын
    • Ryan really is crushing it

      @monty6491@monty64912 жыл бұрын
    • Indeed, and it also points to the genius of Marvel.

      @nickraoyj@nickraoyj2 жыл бұрын
    • He is amazing

      @TheKumarImpressions@TheKumarImpressions2 жыл бұрын
  • Funny how a show about a pass Loki sets up phase four of the mcu, would of never guessed that this would be the that one big marvel show, not even flacon or wandawision was this important to the mcu

    @arnulfoacevedo8147@arnulfoacevedo81472 жыл бұрын
    • I'm sorry but did you have a stroke while typing this lol

      @YohaNico@YohaNico2 жыл бұрын
    • @@YohaNico maybe it's not their first language, maybe

      @Nutriageek@Nutriageek2 жыл бұрын
    • @@Nutriageek I was just joking about how they spelled falcon and wandavision. Apologies if I was being offensive in any way.

      @YohaNico@YohaNico2 жыл бұрын
    • Those two weren't supposed to be grand like this. Wandavision sequels into Multiverse of Madness; FaWS sets up the Phase 4 B Plot; and Loki structures everything for the major villain and coming stories.

      @ShinRyuuk@ShinRyuuk2 жыл бұрын
    • @@YohaNico yes I did have a stroke, I died and now I’m reaching out from beyond the grave…. Boo bitches 😂 sorry idk what’s wrong with me

      @arnulfoacevedo8147@arnulfoacevedo81472 жыл бұрын
  • All Fathers in MCU needs parenting lessons.

    @intuativefiha5771@intuativefiha57712 жыл бұрын
    • Especially the Allfather

      @FinalShieldnobi@FinalShieldnobi2 жыл бұрын
    • except for black panther's dad

      @noctambule6000@noctambule60002 жыл бұрын
    • @@noctambule6000 yeah, he just needs uncle-ing lessons.

      @bowdencable7094@bowdencable70942 жыл бұрын
    • @@noctambule6000 But what about that when his dad killed his uncle and so on. In the end T Chala established what was against his father. Sharing wakanda tech to world.

      @intuativefiha5771@intuativefiha57712 жыл бұрын
    • Except Tony

      @nabongobong9155@nabongobong91552 жыл бұрын
  • Image if Odin was a good father and King Thanos comes with the black order Vs Odin- Father's of God's Frigga-The warrior Hela - Goddess of death Thor - The God of thunder Loki - The God of mischief Heimdall - The one who can see everything The warriors 3 and lady sif All the valkyries That wolf of hela And the entire Asgardian army

    @krishnakapadia146@krishnakapadia1462 жыл бұрын
    • That's why he waited until Odin dead

      @vanaja2038@vanaja20382 жыл бұрын
    • Mind blown

      @a.j.jr.238@a.j.jr.2382 жыл бұрын
    • Don't forget the Valkyries

      @hyper9984@hyper99842 жыл бұрын
    • @@vanaja2038 but he was pathetic

      @krishnakapadia146@krishnakapadia1462 жыл бұрын
    • @@hyper9984 o yeah thanks for reminding

      @krishnakapadia146@krishnakapadia1462 жыл бұрын
  • Sylvie didn't turn on him. She was just too wrapped up in years of planning her mission to let it go. But these two belong together and I hope someday they will be.

    @jaynekranc8607@jaynekranc86072 жыл бұрын
    • idk for me its weird cause they're the same person. i loved how romantic loki became but i just wish it would be with a normal person not with a version of himself, it's just not it

      @aegonism@aegonism2 жыл бұрын
    • @@aegonism - It's a sci-fi take on the concept of soulmates. There's nothing weird about it at all. They explained as early as episode 2 that Loki variants could look similar OR extremely different. They've shown us Loki variants who are black, Asian, or other white guys who aren't even remotely Tom Hiddleston, as well as Sylvie who is female. It's clear Loki variants don't all share similar DNA. In addition they have shown us how Loki and Sylvie, while sharing certain important personality traits, have significant differences in how they react and think as a result of their life experiences. Sylvie has never once tried to make herself a fascist dictator, for example. She's been fighting to give folks free will, which is the polar opposite of Loki's speech about the song of freedom and how people were made to be ruled. Ultimately, we have two different people who resonate with one another and have a deep understanding of one another. Soulmates.

      @FenrirInFlowers@FenrirInFlowers2 жыл бұрын
    • @@FenrirInFlowers they look different but they are still the same person, and its disappointing but wtv ig disney chose it and its done, just not my favourite way to portrait soulmates

      @aegonism@aegonism2 жыл бұрын
    • @@FenrirInFlowers also i get what youre saying about them acting different but they are very different also because sylvie didnt even had the opportunity to actually live, all lokis had basically the same life and sylvie just didnt get to have any of that so its not surprising that she became so different, our experiences are what makes us.

      @aegonism@aegonism2 жыл бұрын
    • Good loki deserve better then her. He needs to stop being narcissistic

      @miakayuki1068@miakayuki10682 жыл бұрын
  • Honestly to get really meta about it, Marvel and Disney are absolutely using the Loki show as seemingly the main way to set up Phase 4 of the MCU. So in a way, the very show itself is adding to the growth and change of how we see the Marvel Cinematic Universe as a whole. To the grand story that is being told over and over again; of the heroes fighting the villains, working their way up to the Big Bad. Cyclical storytelling at its finest

    @tinyspiney6353@tinyspiney63532 жыл бұрын
    • Precisely! Its like loki is the introduction of the Phase 4 in the MCU. Propably this is the way how they would introduce the new villain which is I think is the Kang the Conqueror

      @unkown4047@unkown40472 жыл бұрын
    • You're insane

      @rohanking12able@rohanking12able5 ай бұрын
  • I hope this means we will get Loki in more Marvel movies bc he’s my favorite

    @mandalynn33@mandalynn33 Жыл бұрын
  • Marvel showing us the beginning of a story....by starting at the end! Boss move! ✌️

    @budstermcgreen6360@budstermcgreen63602 жыл бұрын
    • Wym explain

      @earth2death@earth2death2 жыл бұрын
    • @@earth2death end of the show is setting up the new season and probably other movies so other stories

      @HajgarexhiaKosovar@HajgarexhiaKosovar2 жыл бұрын
  • I'm so hyped for Multiverse of Madness…

    @QuoteBlink@QuoteBlink2 жыл бұрын
    • When will it be out?

      @ScriptWriter66@ScriptWriter662 жыл бұрын
    • This and Quantumania. I love the Antman movies.

      @maryham6533@maryham65332 жыл бұрын
    • @@maryham6533 they are simple and fun.

      @Dk-ie4te@Dk-ie4te2 жыл бұрын
    • Dare I say Quantumania and Multiverse of Madness are going to be the next Avengers level movies? 🤷🏻‍♂️ then again, throw spider man in there, too, just for good measure

      @DanteLee88@DanteLee882 жыл бұрын
    • @@DanteLee88 Multiverse is looking to be a Civil War level movie with the number of big name characters and high expectations

      @Fadaar@Fadaar2 жыл бұрын
  • “Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everybody's gonna die. Come watch TV”

    @ReneAlex@ReneAlex2 жыл бұрын
    • Best Quote ever.

      @JulianAlimin@JulianAlimin2 жыл бұрын
    • That's Nihilism, isn't it?

      @thomaslangford4486@thomaslangford44862 жыл бұрын
    • @@thomaslangford4486 it is. But not in a Rick kind of destructive way.

      @JulianAlimin@JulianAlimin2 жыл бұрын
    • @Bjorn Arnesen indeed it is. Like I said before not in a "Rick" kind of destructive way. Rick is a Nihilist, he doesn't really care about stuff (or pretends to not care). So he wouldn't bother if everything burns since everyone is going to die anyway. Morty is also a Nihilist, which is perfectly summed up by His Quote, in a sense that he has accepted that life is meaningless but he still wants to do good things.

      @JulianAlimin@JulianAlimin2 жыл бұрын
    • @@JulianAlimin "Everything is meaningless, dance and enjoy yourself while you can."

      @ReneAlex@ReneAlex2 жыл бұрын
  • Loki is actually kind of like a wrestling Heel. That in wrestling, the more villainous the Heel to the Face (hero) character, the better the effect and the audience empathizes a whole lot more with the heroes. If there was no adversity for the Face, there is no drama in Wrestling. And the life of the Heel role is to constantly be mean, spiteful and evil and lose to the good guys. It is actually hard to keep up that Heel role with the audience constantly booing and hating on you and you keep losing as a sacrifice to make others look good. But on the other hand, if you can be so damn charismatic at being a Heel that people love you, that's when you know you got something going aka The Undertaker. But what makes Loki not your regular Heel is that the audience can see he's a smart guy with misplaced intentions. And he confesses in the TV show that he's playing a villain role because he wants attention, it isn't really who he is. It is said that narcissists give the impression that they're overly confident and put down others is because they actually feel incredibly insecure inside, so they artificially inflate themselves to seem like they're smart, know everything, on top of everything, be condescending so that you'll trust and believe them. And I think what's so beautiful about the TV series is this is Loki discovering who he really is, that he is capable of being a hero, of being able to love and that he doesn't have to be a villain as what was 'assigned' according to the 'Sacred Timeline' Loki has found that what he's really good at and also inspired by Sylvie, is that he can be an agent of Change. He questions, he wonders, he doesn't accept the status quo and he has realized that he can break out of his loop unlike his other variants. He helped break Mobius from his loop, he even tried to help Sylvie break out of hers but she wasn't in the right mind space, not yet. And honestly I am really happy that Heel Loki has finally turned Face, that we're now entering into a different universe of Heroic Loki and I'm just excited as anything.

    @Grimsg@Grimsg2 жыл бұрын
    • You right bro

      @kadircanyalcnkaya9080@kadircanyalcnkaya90802 жыл бұрын
    • I miss Glow

      @respirs@respirs2 жыл бұрын
    • Seeing good in Sylvie and by extension the other Lokis helped him accept himself.

      @jaynekranc8607@jaynekranc86072 жыл бұрын
    • I didn’t understand what this was all about? What does the ending mean? What’s going to happen now in season 2?

      @melaniebarwick5038@melaniebarwick5038 Жыл бұрын
  • The fact Renslayer said free will belongs to "the ONE" in charge when the three statues were still up and Kang not revealed hints she knows a lot more than she's letting on

    @bbb3za@bbb3za2 жыл бұрын
  • This show is the most comicbook-like project since Civil War. I love the deep lore. I think TM has done a memorable work here. Of all the characters I care about, Loki is the last villain I thought Marvel would feature this often. Thanks for another summation.

    @seanwelch71@seanwelch712 жыл бұрын
    • You obviously haven’t seen daredevil.

      @Flome810@Flome8102 жыл бұрын
    • @@Flome810 or read a single comic ever💀

      @addiosb@addiosb Жыл бұрын
    • I'm a recovering Loki-holic (I genuinely love Marvel, but even I won't excuse their abuse). I'm genuinely sad, at the most egregious thing they've done (even though there's a plethora). Years and years of naturally growing films and character development, only to have it destroyed, in 6 episodes. Literally, NOTHING, mattered. Loki season 2 ? NOPE. For whatever reason, this awful show is getting another season. Its astounding how they UTTERLY destroyed Loki (everything that was naturally built up over the YEARS), in only 6 episodes. He was treated like a buffoon, and a side character in his own show. The irony about the show, being about the concept of time, and it was a literal waste of time. * This person states it beautifully* - "Never have I seen a show ruin the continuity of its universe so quickly. I suppose nothing matters anymore, what would've happened if Thor DID strike Thanos in the head? The TVA comes in and melts him, and then keeps resetting the timeline until he strikes the chest. There are no longer any stakes, any choices, any investment. Thanos? People making heart-rending choices to stop him? Our favorite heroes dying? Doesn't matter, it was all a predetermined part of the plan and doing ANYTHING else would result in their death/reset. The level of this goes down to something SIMPLE, as being late to work, and the TVA have already clearly been established as the villains of the story within the very first episode. Outside of this absolutely horrendous writing that the fans apparently see no problems with (4.8/5...) never have I seen a show destroy its canon, logic, and continuity so horribly and then play it off for a CHEAP LAUGH (Infinity Stones in a drawer/not knowing what a fish is, WTF). Never have I seen fans so willingly nod their heads along with it, this is just SAD. Without taking into account that some idiot had to write this and somehow not notice it destroys the previous films." * Beyond stupid, (racist blackwashing characters/misandrist characters/woke garbage). Nothing mattered because it was all by design, by He Who Remains. Every MCU film, from day 1, MEANT NOTHING. Days beforehand he DEFEATED the Avengers individually and then it took ALL of them just to defeat him, not to mention taking hits from the Hulk. Then days later, he somehow is time and time again, defeated by humans/conveniently forgets and remembers he has powers, that he could easily use to defeat them, forgetting that he's a literal God ? How did he go from being an ACTUAL threat (especially in Avengers 2012), to a misandrist buffoon joke in only a few days. What comical BS. YEARS of natural built up character development, from Iron Man to End-Game, and beyond, only to mean NOTHING. * Chad comic Loki -created the avengers because he’s a legit threat -can beat Thor and doctor strange in a 1 on 1. -had tons of magic abilities to even his shortcomings -had turned Odin’s dad(Bor) into snow. - he can turn himself into a dragon and resist Rouge’s drain touch because he’s a beast. - he created the absorbing man - can tank Spider-Man’s punches like their nothing. Virgin MCU Loki -has been a victim of terrible writing -only uses illusions (from what I know) -his redemption arc has been destroyed by one episode of his own show. - a victim of MCU time travel bullsh*t -became a simp to a Copycat Sue version of himself. - gets easily defeated by guards. * Extra bit, Frost Giant mention: Loki was magically enchanted by Odin (and possibly upheld by Frigga: that part's unclear) to even appear Asgardian. Yet.. even though they say magic doesn't work in the TVA: he retains his Asgardian look, and people are able to touch him without getting the uber-frostbite that briefly breaks the spell and points out that fact (and is a major turning point in his and the overall movie story) in the original Thor. * The fact that Loki stopped a falling building and flung it back twice as fast, yet he can't beat some jobber guards is baffling. * Loki caught an arrow mid-flight but he cant beat up regular people? Wait isn't he a god??

      @original-australian_OG@original-australian_OG Жыл бұрын
  • I love your love letters to Loki. So on point. There are more untold stories for Loki in the MCU and I hope Tom Hiddleston sticks around for all of them.

    @soyanaracquel@soyanaracquel2 жыл бұрын
  • So I had some thoughts now with Loki over with. I believe Sylvie's Nexus Event had nothing really to do with her gender. As mentioned, Loki can change his gender. Now, I believe her Nexus Event is that he/she wanted to become a Valkyrie. A good being, something Loki is not. To further explore this, Thor talks about how he wanted to become a Valkyrie back in Ragnarok but learned only females could become them. So Loki, being able to change his gender made the decision to permanently become female to become a Valkyrie. Now, my other thought is regarding Loki and Thor 4. I think the Loki TV show has actually explained this completely. I think while the Loki TV show will focus on the variant Loki, Thor 4 will reintroduce the original Loki that "died" in Infinity War. Why? Classic Loki. He talks about making an illusion that fooled even Thanos. But did that get him pruned? No. In fact he lives off grid for ages and is not pruned. It's only when he has "changed" and misses Thor and everyone else that he gets pruned. Meaning, our original Loki might just be off grid somewhere. And with the TVA basically not pruning anyone now, both Lokis are free to exist at the same time. It's pretty glorious and ballsy but Marvel could do it.

    @BlackHedgehog@BlackHedgehog2 жыл бұрын
    • I think both of ur theories are true

      @abishaipaul2298@abishaipaul22982 жыл бұрын
    • She was definitely good even as a child. At the TVA she was a scared little girl but still cried out for help for another prisoner.

      @jaynekranc8607@jaynekranc86072 жыл бұрын
    • Omfg, I love your theory. Especially Sylvie potentially wanting to be a Valkyrie. The scene where she was playing with toys and saving the Asgard makes sense.

      @albertgobrrr4133@albertgobrrr41332 жыл бұрын
  • My wife and I really liked it and ecstatic that there’s gonna be a second season

    @steeveomcjameson8673@steeveomcjameson86732 жыл бұрын
  • I think Sylvie is a Valkyrie and not a Loki, that was her deviation. The TVA came and got her as she was pretending to be one. She's also more violent and bloodthirsty than other Lokis', in my opinion.

    @kymnadal3693@kymnadal36932 жыл бұрын
    • I think she wanted to be a Valkyrie but they would not have accepted a frost giant anymore than the people of our Loki's Asgard did. But that's it really. Don't forget how the frightened child st the TVA cried out for someone to help another prisoner. She was meant to be good. And that was incomprehensible to the TVA.

      @jaynekranc8607@jaynekranc86072 жыл бұрын
    • I think the variant was she decided to be good, instead of becoming a Loki. That is why she was taken as a child

      @inteallsviktigt@inteallsviktigt2 жыл бұрын
  • If Loki is stuck in the endless loop, makes me sad for him. I've really come to like his character. Don't want him to be some goodie two shoes but still the anit-hero that is a hero.

    @adamjones-ps@adamjones-ps2 жыл бұрын
  • I can almost hear Miss Minutes saying "Maybe you sold your soul to the devil in order to get back your imaginary children..."

    @christineherrmann205@christineherrmann2052 жыл бұрын
  • Such a beautiful essay on the god that Loki is and the genuine man he’s becoming. And all it took was a little love. DONT worry Loki. We’ve all loved you from the start. ❤️

    @Persephone_Personified@Persephone_Personified2 жыл бұрын
    • I am awed at how Tom made Loki lovable though. Not every actor could have pulled that off.

      @jaynekranc8607@jaynekranc86072 жыл бұрын
    • cant wait for Sylvie and Loki to end up together.

      @sebasmana5798@sebasmana57982 жыл бұрын
    • I wouldn’t say from the start. He def sucked in avengers and Thor 1

      @designerdiva423@designerdiva4232 жыл бұрын
    • @@designerdiva423 he “sucked”..? What in the flip are you talking about?! He was the BEST thing in Thor AND Avengers... 😠

      @Persephone_Personified@Persephone_Personified2 жыл бұрын
  • In a way, Kang (he who remains version) is also a prisoner. Sure he has freewill and doesn’t have to worry about himself being pruned, but In order to maintain that, he’s forced to do one task or else face an infinite onslaught of variants that would erase him from existence.

    @fourlightsorchestra@fourlightsorchestra2 жыл бұрын
    • I think this is why he mentions how the journey is important. In the end everyone is a prisoner caught in a loop and HWR is so tired that he would rather die and give the power to lokis rather than keep going around the loop. HWR is in a way the only one who knew he was in a prison whereas everyone else didn’t.

      @techcommenter@techcommenter Жыл бұрын
  • loki is such a multi faceted creature. he has many personalities, and shapes. im excited to learn more about him in the next season

    @mitzy183@mitzy1832 жыл бұрын
  • Re-watching on heels of Quantumania. Loki has transformed completely, in a way nobody would’ve thought after Avengers 1. Would love to see Loki appear in Antman and help Lang some, on the path to seen his brother again - Thor.

    @jayw3512@jayw3512 Жыл бұрын
  • 9:06 D.B. Cooper isn't an urban myth. Those events actually happened.

    @WebSpyder777@WebSpyder7772 жыл бұрын
    • There are a lot of myths surrounding the event, because he was never found. Those money got robbed 100% though, lol.

      @aimilios439@aimilios4392 жыл бұрын
    • It is an urban myth in the zeitgeist

      @suisui7481@suisui74812 жыл бұрын
    • What happened? Sorry I don't know much about American events

      @shreeya3789@shreeya37892 жыл бұрын
    • @@shreeya3789 A man claimed he had a bomb on a plane, demanded to land, leave all passengers and most crew, give him a parachute and a load of money, fly again and then jumped to be never seen again above the jungle. Some bills were found, but never a lead to his whereabouts.

      @aimilios439@aimilios4392 жыл бұрын
    • @@aimilios439 oh that's interesting. Thank you!

      @shreeya3789@shreeya37892 жыл бұрын
  • Do you have any other questions about Loki?

    @ScreenCrush@ScreenCrush2 жыл бұрын
    • What about the remaining variants in the void?

      @sprabhath6459@sprabhath64592 жыл бұрын
    • When will we see Alligator Loki again?

      @lotsofspots@lotsofspots2 жыл бұрын
    • @@lotsofspots The only important question lol

      @beetlebob4675@beetlebob46752 жыл бұрын
    • Thoughts/feelings on season 2?

      @SpaceHippy@SpaceHippy3 ай бұрын
  • Mobius strips aren't impossible you make them in elementary school.

    @everardohernandez8036@everardohernandez80362 жыл бұрын
    • uhh.. well what you make is a theoretical representation

      @anujgoswami6182@anujgoswami61822 жыл бұрын
    • That thin strip of paper you used still has 3 dimensions

      @ufokkenwotm8@ufokkenwotm82 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, we can easily make a Mobius Strip because we can manipulate the 2 dimensional rectangle in a 3 dimensional space. A Klein Bottle is truly impossible because we can't manipulate a 3 dimensional object in a fourth (spatial) dimension.

      @literatemax@literatemax2 жыл бұрын
    • @@literatemax very true… however, you can certainly knit a 3D model of one. There’s a free pattern available for anyone with the skills to make it. I knitted the “hat version” for a math-loving friend a few years back.

      @ruthbennett7563@ruthbennett75632 жыл бұрын
  • They gave Loki extra powers in the show. Conjuring anything he wanted and lifting buildings with his mind. Mind control without the mind stone.

    @Iburn247@Iburn2472 жыл бұрын
  • That benediction cumbersome batching though 😂

    @Sandeee@Sandeee2 жыл бұрын
  • I'm honestly sick of people saying "of course the only person Loki could love is himself cause he's such a vain nArcISisT." *SYLVIE. IS NOT. LOKI.* She literally says it in the finale. "I'm not you." They are two different people who have lived totally different lives.

    @AlexRider589@AlexRider5892 жыл бұрын
    • But she plays the same role he plays. Theyre both outcasts and she even says she is hedonistic, just like him. The main difference, beyond growing up in apocalypses, is that she is good and doesnt care for power and recognition, unlike almost all of the variants. The way she is (and she's a loki, wanting it or not) allowed him to see that he could change too. Unfortunately she's on a path of revenge, and he understands that too because he once tried to kill his entire race after finding out they abandoned him as a baby. But she refuses to see he's right, thinking he doesnt really understands her, so she tricks him. But he did understand her (part because they have the same soul) and now she knows it. I'm sure she regretted tricking him and killing he who remains. She knows he was right, and I hope its not too late.

      @MrMWalfa@MrMWalfa2 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, and no. If i met a male me from an alternative dimension, we would both be different personalities, but we'd still be the same soul or spirit, with drastic differences in our bodies, our wants in life, and our experiences. Think Rick and Morty. All those Ricks are still Rick Sanchez, and all those mortys are still Morty Smith.

      @beetlebob4675@beetlebob46752 жыл бұрын
    • Agreed and I hate all the articles about how much the fans hated the relationship. I loved it. Seeing it develop and how it made him understand himself was great.

      @jaynekranc8607@jaynekranc86072 жыл бұрын
    • I don't like the Sylki shipping it is just so toxic and if more people knew why by having a brain and seeing how many other Loki and marvel fans hate this than well I pity you all.

      @gracesadventures7485@gracesadventures74852 жыл бұрын
  • Love these character breakdowns! Never really got why everyone loved Loki until this series so getting the backstory makes it all make sense. I do think people need to reconsider the Sylvie love yourself thing. Sylvie was totally different from him and that’s what attracted him. When he was surrounded by the variants of himself that were just like him he was super annoyed. Maybe he saw what he could be in her and that drove him to change and be better.

    @Amanda-wh8ww@Amanda-wh8ww2 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah he realised she wanted to be the hero and stop the TVA while he wanted (at first) to just overthrow them therefore making him a facist ruler and still a villain. She changed him, that's what he liked about her.

      @Natta44@Natta442 жыл бұрын
  • I really enjoy these Loki videos. The series ended 2 weeks ago but I'm still entertained with the breakdown videos of his character.

    @DominickRuocco@DominickRuocco2 жыл бұрын
  • Interesting parallel: In MCU Loki wanted to be thor. In reality Tom Hidleston first auditioned to be Thor.

    @LordMaurya@LordMaurya2 жыл бұрын
    • No

      @AA_04@AA_042 жыл бұрын
    • "I never wanted the throne, I just wanted to be your equal" -Loki to Thor People never understand him even the fans

      @cyberseai9305@cyberseai93052 жыл бұрын
    • No he wanted to be treated as his brother. Not to be him

      @theenchentress23@theenchentress232 жыл бұрын
    • @@cyberseai9305 ong

      @raintroupe@raintroupe2 жыл бұрын
  • Your writing is so on-point. Loved the final takeaway to this

    @BlueFrog531@BlueFrog5312 жыл бұрын
  • Loki series: exist ScreenCrush: I'm gonna milk ya

    @arthurandstuff8677@arthurandstuff86772 жыл бұрын
    • *Loki: exists, and is an amazing show with a lot of "milk," an audience, and a demand for content* Fixed it 👍🏼

      @andyscott5277@andyscott52772 жыл бұрын
    • @@andyscott5277 garbage show that's contradicts itself every episode...lol

      @datruthhurtz2306@datruthhurtz23062 жыл бұрын
    • @@datruthhurtz2306 sounds like you just couldn’t understand it 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

      @andyscott5277@andyscott52772 жыл бұрын
    • @@andyscott5277 ngl I dont think most people understand it 😂

      @ninjaman7123@ninjaman71232 жыл бұрын
  • The "What's the Point" videos have become my favorite. Keep up the good work!

    @MrIronHam@MrIronHam2 жыл бұрын
  • 4:40 well in the defense of the show reiterating Loki’s character, this Loki was a variant. A variant from endgame when I believe Tony went back in time to get the space stone, but Loki ends up picking up the space stone which wasn’t supposed to happen. Thus he was variant, remember how he found out that he was more or less destined to be killed by Thanos’ hand? Original Loki did grow as a character from Thor Ragnarok (potentially anyway), but this variant didn’t get to experience that since he came from 2012.

    @Nutterbutter123@Nutterbutter1232 жыл бұрын
  • big props for all your research! great videos i truly appreciate your work and respect the effort!

    @donicioanddeegan5900@donicioanddeegan59002 жыл бұрын
  • Well put together vid/essay/explanation. The editing was great and we are gonna need all this moving forward to sort out all this multiverse business

    @codekhalil6437@codekhalil6437 Жыл бұрын
  • That was most excellent, Ryan. An insightful examination of what is so far my favorite Marvel show (and I quite liked the previous two!)

    @richardbruning@richardbruning2 жыл бұрын
  • Such a fabulous breakdown Ryan. I love these What is the Point videos. Well done!

    @c.johnhildebrand7309@c.johnhildebrand73092 жыл бұрын
  • I have a question: in the first Thor Movie we see Loki as a Baby in the hands of Odin transforming his appereance from the blue Ice Giant look to his dark haired, dark eyes look (some say it's beacause of a form of self defense mechanism as he sees the image of Odin's first born daughter in his Odin's memories). So, now in the TVA they say Loki has no power at all, even the Infinity Stones have no power. What could be the expenation of Loki not changing his appereance back to an Ice Giant?

    @bier-baron@bier-baron Жыл бұрын
  • Love that intro that's exactly how I felt

    @chris137946@chris1379462 жыл бұрын
  • FREAKING AWESOME BREAKDOWN🔥🔥🔥 It is clear that you are a fan of Loki's and you put up one hell of an argument of why he was right and why loki actually has a heart and cares👍👍👍

    @arjr74@arjr742 жыл бұрын
  • I can't believe I've never noticed the Wreck it Ralph /Fix it Felix comparison with Loki and Thor lol. Derp !!

    @timstevenson3591@timstevenson35912 жыл бұрын
  • best work yet. well played, Ryan.

    @benjaminraymond3856@benjaminraymond38562 жыл бұрын
  • i discovered that after i watch a movie if i think over that movie i actually see it in my head all at once. sure i remember how it started but somewhere in my brain the rest of the movie is playing all at the very same time. some people that ttry to tell you what happened in a movie they have seen gets tripped up by different scenes and have to check themselves and this is how i relate to the time theory you educating us with

    @stevenryan2549@stevenryan25492 жыл бұрын
  • This brought tears to my eyes

    @rebelstasia@rebelstasia2 жыл бұрын
  • The TVA is a allegory about Disney executives choosing the fate of Marvel characters

    @SaxoFilmaticus@SaxoFilmaticus2 жыл бұрын
  • Don't comment often in KZhead videos, but I really loved your Breakdown of the series. Thank you for this video.

    @ChristianGarciaArt@ChristianGarciaArt2 жыл бұрын
  • The point is that with so many timelines marvel no longer has to cohere to any one narrative. It’s plot armor

    @DP-nl4uq@DP-nl4uq2 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video! The Mobius Strip is not an impossible geometric shape though. Anyone could make one out of pretty much any 2-d item, paper, ribbon, etc.

    @JakeTaaylor@JakeTaaylor2 жыл бұрын
  • One thing remain unanswered. It’s never been explained how “He who remains” is able to 1) write a script for every one in the universe. 2) Control everyone to make sure they say and do everything on the script. He’s just a man flesh and blood. How is he controlling the minds and thoughts of every being in the universe on the sacred time line? There’s no reveal of a technology that can control peoples thoughts and speech and actions to adhere to a script he created/fabricated. He doesn’t have superpowers that does that as well. So please explain to me how he can word for word know what everyone is going to say? Even if the timeline is limited as in there is an end of time and it loops back to the beginning, did he watch everything from start to finish once then on a rerun he wrote down everything about everyone and everything? Then lived through the loops millions of times? And Loki and Sylvie were in the citadel in the study, that was in a space that’s out of time. So how could it have looped and happen before as it’s not on any time line?

    @kevinljs@kevinljs Жыл бұрын
  • One thing I don't understand is that if the TVA tries to keep the sacred timeline from branching off, then why are there multiple universes (each with a Loki). But then I thought that a timeline is not the same as a universe. In other words, one timeline contains a multiverse. However, if timelines and universes are completely different things, then why be scared of a branching timeline if there are already infinite amount of universes? I mean, they called it the multiverse wars, not the timeline wars. So what am I missing?

    @nielsmeesschaert477@nielsmeesschaert4772 жыл бұрын
    • Its quite confusing but I think a universe has multiple timelines (variations of events) e.g 14million in infinity war. But then there are multiple universes too but Kang made the sacred timeline isolated so they can't overlap into other universes. So the other universes exist but are separate from the sacred version. So when Dr strange said there was only 1 version they win, really he meant that's the only version as TVA would prune the rest. He just didn't know it.

      @Natta44@Natta442 жыл бұрын
  • First Liked. Commented. Subscribed. I love watching these shows just to react with you and learn from the videos.

    @emarti3853@emarti38532 жыл бұрын
  • This video should get millions of views regarding the character and life itself; glorious purpose

    @MadACeTeeMack@MadACeTeeMack2 жыл бұрын
  • "dance while you still can"not just the point of "Loki", but the meaning of life. I loved this series and your explanation! Great job!

    @joshuaalexander4984@joshuaalexander49842 жыл бұрын
  • Now I understand why in the concept art he who remains has an iron man helmet in his office. As seen in age of Ultron, Tony also believes that free will should be sacrificed for the greater good. Tony: I see a suit of armor around the world Bruce Banner: sounds like a cold world Tony

    @natereath4966@natereath49662 жыл бұрын
    • meaning??? how is he related to iron man??

      @ananyashankar0553@ananyashankar05532 жыл бұрын
  • Wow this was really insightful and just spot on. 👍🏻

    @lalanihipali8675@lalanihipali86752 жыл бұрын
  • Ryan, I enjoy & appreciate your video essays & breakdowns.

    @utubepunk@utubepunk2 жыл бұрын
  • What are other examples of symbolism in the show?

    @ScreenCrush@ScreenCrush2 жыл бұрын
    • *Glorious Purpose*

      @QuoteBlink@QuoteBlink2 жыл бұрын
    • Not the bees!

      @fabrislemos@fabrislemos2 жыл бұрын
  • Really interesting how a lot of the score played while He Who Remains was monologing is reminiscent of Koyaanisqatsi's soundtrack.

    @lizbajjalieh9841@lizbajjalieh98412 жыл бұрын
  • Brilliant! You are so intuitive and if there was a LOKI UNIVERSITY, you'd be the most sought after lecturer. Thank you for this. You are my favorite analyst.

    @lanilindsey7693@lanilindsey76932 жыл бұрын
  • where is Kang Who is Kang Why is Kang

    @Master_Reven@Master_Reven2 жыл бұрын
  • This is a great video. Keep up the good work.

    @jeanlue@jeanlue2 жыл бұрын
  • I see the theme as anarchy vs totalitarianism.

    @michaelcarter266@michaelcarter2662 жыл бұрын
  • wow I watched half the series and i feel this was better than actually watching it great job I will go back and watch eventually

    @cartermccarthy1000@cartermccarthy1000 Жыл бұрын
  • Great conclusion! You always have the best Contents!.

    @radjhidisenia8234@radjhidisenia82342 жыл бұрын
  • My greatest joy is that there'll be a season 2!

    @nabsteve@nabsteve2 жыл бұрын
  • Well done. Your best video yet.

    @spellmender7902@spellmender79022 жыл бұрын
  • Omgaaad Loki have grown up in me. I see so much of me in him. It's funny how synchronicity works. I myself have been in this narcissistic loop for a long time and started on the series the same day

    @bblueangel2@bblueangel22 жыл бұрын
  • Ty Ryan . great work as always

    @eljuanpapas@eljuanpapas2 жыл бұрын
  • Dude I love your perspective on all of this Marvel stuff! By the way, the mobius strip is not an "impossible" geometric figure, it's a very real geometric figure. ;P

    @trasher2848@trasher28482 жыл бұрын
  • I loved it! Such a good take really delving into his character. In s2, Loki is going to be really hurt as he opened himself up to Sylvie and she betrayed him in the end. But he will have to fight those high stake emotional, rejected feelings like he had with Odin and forgive her instead of holding a grudge. So I'm guessing he'll be on a mission to find her? Maybe with Mobius, Kid loki and alligator loki in tow? 🤣 Ah can't wait, I hope we don't have to wait to long! ♤

    @Natta44@Natta442 жыл бұрын
  • I’m surprised you never linked MCU-Loki’s growth to his arc in the comics, where the current iteration of Loki is the one who decided to change and the main difference is they finally said “fuck it” to getting approval from other people and went his own way (at least the God of Stories Loki did this, his current iteration is the God of Outcasts and he seems to have relapsed).

    @Elementroar@Elementroar2 жыл бұрын
  • Such a beautiful breakdown ❤️ ty

    @ofconsciousness@ofconsciousness2 жыл бұрын
  • You're good at this!

    @David.Andrew@David.Andrew2 жыл бұрын
  • Wow this video was so much better than I expected

    @bobsayshi7073@bobsayshi70732 жыл бұрын
  • Can't wait for Kang the conqueror Love the intro btw

    @isaacegede@isaacegede2 жыл бұрын
  • I watched this and I still have no idea what Loki is about.

    @jackbelden3851@jackbelden3851 Жыл бұрын
  • You guys make the best Explained/Recap videos!

    @cammyr12Productions@cammyr12Productions Жыл бұрын
  • Just in time for my essay on free will

    @LotanLevant@LotanLevant2 жыл бұрын
  • odin saying my first born with that grieving tone. poetry it rhymes.

    @ericnhero1007@ericnhero10072 жыл бұрын
  • Glorious Video my friend!!

    @tabansteintv@tabansteintv2 жыл бұрын
  • @ScreenCrush Late to the party here but very much enjoying these "What's the Point" deep dives. Love it! Keep them coming. What next? Anything MCU, I want one!

    @testfire3000@testfire3000 Жыл бұрын
  • I think this is so accurate. Nice work

    @jacobcampbell6819@jacobcampbell6819 Жыл бұрын
  • I loved this! Thank you!

    @CynicVash@CynicVash2 жыл бұрын
  • My beloved God of mischief

    @markaliii3413@markaliii34132 жыл бұрын
  • I think a better analogy than the film strip is that it's like looking at a wall with the entire storyboard on it.

    @ClaudiaS_@ClaudiaS_2 жыл бұрын
  • I really enjoyed this video, thanks

    @ThisIsMeAndNotYou@ThisIsMeAndNotYou2 жыл бұрын
  • Kang is the real problem. In Marvel, the multiverse has always been the default state of the overall verse, hence the Living Tribunal existing at all (and he’s in MCU as well), as he judges the multiverse and keeps watch over disturbances. Plus there’s the multiversal Eternity, a larger Eternity who embodies every other single universe Eternity. Kang usurped them and really, he was the problem. He just needs to prevent himself from being born to prevent inventions that breach each multiverse.

    @Elementroar@Elementroar2 жыл бұрын
  • 14:39 Loki enjoys CBT

    @AdrianRodriguez-zs1lo@AdrianRodriguez-zs1lo2 жыл бұрын
  • where did the clip of Loki holding mjolnir and the people cheering come from? a movie or the Loki show or a deleted scene? thanks for any help.

    @masstv9052@masstv90522 жыл бұрын
  • Do you think season two will have Loki take steps back on trust since he had Sif tell him for what I assume is hours that he will be alone only to be shortly thereafter abandon by Slivi?

    @rwh09384abc@rwh09384abc2 жыл бұрын
  • I wonder if the writers watch your videos to figure out what they were trying to do

    @bobthedopeman7327@bobthedopeman73272 жыл бұрын
  • It also helps to look like Tom Hiddleston.

    @caballerosalas@caballerosalas2 жыл бұрын
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