Valentina Shevchenko: 10-8 Judge Will ‘Live With That Mistake Forever’ | The MMA Hour
Valentina Shevchenko discusses her split draw with Alexa Grasso at Noche UFC, her reaction to Mike Bell’s 10-8 scorecard, her breakdown of the fight, why she expected a split decision, her injured hand, what she wants next, who should get next title shot, and more.
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Why is no one telling her the knees were 100% legal?
One landed in the back of the head not all were legal
When it happened live.. she def. had a full hand down after taking a shot on Grasso. and Grasso kneeing her.. so it wasn't like she was trying to do the "oh let me put my hand down to avoid knees"... the following knees Bullet had her hand down like "hey wth?"... but the first shot coulda def. been called illegal.
@@PC-iv5so It wasn’t the first shot if I remember one hit her elbow one landed but they iffy about it bien the back or not but one did land I think it was the last one but for me. I felt like more then one landed on the head but camera angles so we know one for sure landed some were clean n some miss n struck her elbow
@@juanrios3537I watched the replay on another channel, Valentina was moving. It was not intentional.
It wasn't a mistake, the judge did it intentionally
if he wanted to do it intentionally he would have done it for the second round where she actually hurt Shevchenko, giving it a 10-8 and it wouldn't have this much of big deal
@@Ar1AnX1xAnd When Valentina Had Her Back Alnost Chocking Her Out Should've been a 10-8 also 🤔
@@eco_man_8652exactly or if we judge it base on mike bell then it would be10-7 complete domination on the ground in that round
I am inclined to think that. And if that’s what it is, the question is WHY ? Did a judge bet on the outcome of this fight ?
@@yaniyuhara8165how would Mike Bell know the other judges scorecards ? All 3 would have to somehow be in on it. Or the whole promotion. He would have to know for a fact, the other 2 judges had it 1 alexa and 1 Valentina. If both went 1 way or the other, it would be a majority decision and the 10-8 wouldn't matter at all. The only way it works is if he's stupid or knew/predicted the other 2 scorecards.
That’s crazy fractured her finger and still won all those rounds she’s a a legend true warrior
Oh well, VS the great did get dominated in rd 5 and crumbled again just like in fight fight rd 4, kneed across the ring and just couldn't get it done, outworked. Whom has ever done this to VS? Not Amanda, Taila nobody so fools need to get things in perspective here. VS was in trouble alot, did no damage again except for a Fn jab and one elbow, got dropped on her ass and also was tired AF again while AG outworked her and was in far superior conditioning. VS got a "choke" that wasnt in and all she did was exhaust herself while hoping AG would panic, no das. She brings nothing to AG that can submit nor defeat the latter, and if one fights long and often enough theyll meet their kryptonite. VS didnt improve, she merely didnt do a spinning back and was done in rd 5 vice 4. She s too old and stubborn to change and improve. 15 seconds.more and we arent here debating jack, let that sink in. But yea, lets to do it again since AG won 2, 4, 5 in Dec. 3 months and not 6, F that and we will see who is ready. Fools need to take off the glasses and watch the fight again. Semper Fdfelis
Dominated in rd 5 but was ahead for 3 and a half minutes if the round…you’re biased or know nothing about mma
@@kenneth5064 wait what? lol better not be talking to me 😂😂😂 you mean Valentina dominated round 5 for 3 mins then grasso tried to submit lmao 🤣 Valentina had round 5 simple don’t know what your talking about bud 🙄
@@kenneth5064 better go see the eye doctor and get your eyes checked bud lol how come the real mma fans knows Valentina won the fight and she had round 5 3 mins she was dominating until grasso tried a desperate measure 2 mins left in round 5
Homie what you smoking
I agree, it was definitely 48-47.... Now for which side? That is debatable.
Grasso
Edge to Grasso for being champ
@@jorge5275 Maybe you could use algebra instead of emotion.
@@jorge5275That’s not a thing. A fight is judged based on what happens in the cage, not on who the champ is.
Yes and Grasso won…..in the ring, 2,4and 5.
No no no…. SHE’LL live with another disappointment forever 😂😂😂 that judge DGAF about no 10-8 💀💀💀
She said it like the judge killed someone while drunk driving 😆
@@latenotice7254forget what? I already forgot.
Hopefully that judge is never allowed to work again
Fans of Valentina and Amanda remembers that 2nd fight that Valentina won.
@@ginovalera4675 would it be funny coming from someone who’s accomplished something in life? Or is this your way of coping through your emotions to make yourself feel better about who you are?
Junichiro had the correct score Grasso round 2, 4, and 5
Yup!
🤡
Ariel is saying he acored it for Valentina 1,3&4 which is fair,but if he interviews Alexa he would be saying he scored it for Alexa 2,4&5😂😂
@cyborg-zl2mc Are you saying he's two faced?
you could easily make a case for 4-1.
@@godofthisshit he is 100%
😂😂
@@jamespaul6315 Yep Ariel is right
According to Valentina Mike bells gonna wake up in cold sweats , heavy breathing and heart pounding because of nightmares of ruining her tittle fight
lol
These judges are actual cowards. Ruining careers and refuse to explain anything.
They are just serving their masters(so yeah coward is a good description). They are in the back pockets of the ufc and the big sports books in vegas. Dont for a second believe when there is a horrible decision(especially in a big fight) that it is due to incompetence. It is corruption.
What about nobody's career is ruined?
@@diggie9598It Ruins Careers You Casual ... Hopefully Something Really Unfair Happens To You , Remember This...
I think that rules of Nevada Athletic Commission have to change and that judges must explain their thoughts on their score card. They must be accountable for scores they give !
He won't explain, because he doesn't have a logical explanation
Valentina will live with the fact that she botched a head and arm throw in a round she was winning to lose the title fight
Exactly
She did the same mistake in nunes second fight, which may have cost her.
This woman solidified why she is my favorite fighter and why she is the true female GOAT to me.
How is illegal knee if you hold you 1-2 of your finger tip nails on the mat...She seems so salty lately .... I don't agree with the 10-8 but I was fine with the draw.
Cause your weird
In most states that is illegal
U guys let your biase blind u tf ?! U mean salty ? Have yoy ever trained and got ripped off by a coward judge ?
Fine, but why?
@@al3xander353 100% incorrect
Imagine you are one of the top performers at your job, you consistently perform well and are well respected. Suddenly, your boss tells you you’re only going to get a fraction of your pay this year, because a person who has no idea how you do your job said so, and unfortunately, there’s no way it can be discussed or resolved, you just have to accept it. You’re also ineligible for any bonuses this year. You would think your employer is a joke, wouldn’t you.
If the judges were trying to rob you, they would have just given the win to Alexa. The entire fight could’ve gone either way.
No one said that, but still last round should have been 10-9 and valentina would’ve won the fight .. you cant be biased and judge that poorly, u wanna give the round to alexa then do it but don’t exaggerate, cuz valentina won the first 4 minutes of that round and grasso controlled the last 2 minutes how 10-8 is fair?
Doesn’t explain a 10-8.
she got blatantly robbed with the 10-8, even corrupt judges couldn't give Grasso the win even tho they so badly wanted too
@@mmaart1309 ok, great 4 + 2 = 5
Casual entered the chat
Man I feel for Valentina after that fight. But she is a true martial artist to the core! This is all she does. Complete respect to Valentina!
Straight gangsterette
😂
💯💯💯💯💯
@@loudigity0 Just gangster... just gangster already. 🙄
@@ccrider3435 gangsterette as in girl gangster
I had it 2-2 going into the 5th.
The unified rules state that a fighter does not need to dominate all five minutes of the round. Grasso nearly ended the fight the same way she did the last if the bell had not stopped it.
Didn't Valentina nearly end the fight in the 3rd with a sub on top of winning most of that round. She nearly ended it in that round more than Grasso in the 5th. How come that wasn't a 10-8? Fake news too, bc Val was out of danger when the bell rang & round ended. GTFOH
@@unsub6737 I need to rewatch the fight. I’m pretty sure Grasso escaped that sub. Valentina was still stuck in a neck crank which subbed Conner.
None of her subs were close in the 5th and was getting out boxed for 4 minutes. Valentina dominated round 3 for about 3+ minutes and wasn't given a 10-8 by the clown mike bell.
@@alllivesmatter3561 Val ended the fight eating consecutive unanswered punches. Her neck was about to be cranked into oblivion. She didn’t win that fight.
@@bigdawg3989 wasn't ever close to a submission. Grasso clearly lost 3-2, and was saved by a clown judge giving a 10-8 round. Stop it.. 🤡
She needs to bite the bullet
🤣
Wow she still won that fight with a Olmost broken arm...respect for the women she's a savage
Valentina: "iz brokez myz thumbz in z zirst roundz" This guy: "Almost broken arm"
@@alrightgeeze😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't agree with the 10-8 even for a bit, but imo Alexa won 3 of those rounds :P Could maybe agree with the draw, but Valentina def did'nt win that fight in my eyes. The takedowns should'nt rly matter on the scorecards if she gets "cut off" and can't do anything with them. Even in some of them Alexa actually had more strikes and success from the bottom than Valentina had from the top.
I actually had Grasson winning round 2, 4 and 5 as well but it was a close one. A trilogy would make sense next. It's a shame that the draw overshadowed how brilliant this fight really was.
@@alcottdevalte7440it really was a great fight and I’m glad that it was a main event too. It’s not often that a women’s fight delivers on that level on that kind of stage
@@TroubleOnTheWatersFacts. Was surprised that they didn't make it as a co-main event to Adesanya vs Strickland but also understand the Mexican independence day celebration. Nice to see that woman's flyweight division has become the best in woman's MMA, which didn't use to be the case before until recently.
exactly Bro i’m tired of fighters winning rounds just from control time When they hold onto they opponent and don’t do shi
She was fighting with a broken thumb for 4 rounds id say grasso got lucky Valentina couldn't put the pressure she needed to control her, but imo I still think Valentina won
Draw was good outcome!
Who would treat this woman differently for not having the belt? She's still a champion and a legend in this sport.
The losers on twitter
Ive never been a fan, her arrogance and inability to be humble and accept defeat. Shes talented for sure, but not someone I can support
not a champ anymore and certainly not legend level. LOL
@@ukishibushihow many title defences has she got and your not calling her a legend sort it out lad
She treats herself differently without the belt!
While all of the focus on 10-8, one judge gave Grasso a clean win...
I agreed 100%
And the other gave Valentina a clean win..? And the judge that gave Grasso a 10-8, had he given Grasso a 10-9 , Grasso would've still lost....
grasso clearly won
That's why you cant leave it to judges. Everyone will think their favorite fighter won if its close enough.
So if the last round was a 10-9 to grasso who would of won? 😂 do the maths
The fact that she gave a war of that magnitude with an injured finger says a lot about her determination and toughness. Makes me give her the nod even more so in the trilogy.
its an injured FINGER. LMAO what??! you cowards
L Valentina simp
@@milog6101 Imagine you losing to Val with her injured hand tied behind her back... lol
@@ccrider3435imagine you being so miserably depressed because she lost 🖕🏻😭🖕🏻
It's called adrenaline
She wasn't grounded when Alexa gave her the knee strikes. She had one hand and just her fingertips touching the canvas, she has to have her entire hand down, palm and everything.
U mean to tell me u know better than a fighter ???
Yes you right. She needs to have weight on those hands and arms on to the canvas
@@kwameasare79lol by your logic that fighters are always right, then the knee that Petr Yan gave to Aljo was completely legal because he thought it was, lmao. You can read the rules for yourself stop being a mindless follower.
@@kwameasare79Refs know the rules better than the fighters.
A finger down was the old rule. All dumb rules, UFC should have Pride rules so Valentina could have soccer kicked the Mexican like a pinata when she was on the ground
Mike Bell " I wanted to give Grasso a 10-7 round..cartels..enough said, and my house in Baja and of course Mexico Indy day "
lol the most dumb statement xD
truth hurts I know..but man up son.@@manuelryzen8052
This reminds me of how in math class they make us show the teacher the process on how you got the answer to the equation.
Grasso CLEARLY won rounds 245
1, 3, 4, 5 Shevchenko Grasso only won the second round because of the "knockdown" which was only caused because she caught Valentina off balance throwing her own hook.
Not a chance. Valentine won round 1,3,4
@@demetriomaniau9249 LMFAO u obviously didn’t pay attention to the fight 🤦🏻♂️🤡
@@joebenson528 LMFAO 🤦🏻♂️🤡🤡🤡
LOL way more than you apparently @@oooG007
Control is nothing she says…then we could make an arguement for alexa winning round 3. She did no damage and held on to a submission that failed. Alexa more significant damage.
Lol some of us have not forgot she was getting tooled by talia santos until she head-butted her, and still had a split decision robbery. Then refused her a rematch
THANK YOU !!!
Well ariel won't talk about that😂
All these simps love her too much to admit that she's on the decline and that the division has caught up to her.
@@katana_3558 of course he wont, same as he wont ask jorge about sucker punching people in restaurants
@@NoahCanFB i dont even think its that. She was good, but simps thought she was untouchable. Even losing to amanda twice, even if you dont think she lost the decision second fight, it was still close enough to go either way. Yet people still act like shes better than amanda who has a better resume overall.
Am I the only one who had Valentina winning the 5th? Those jabs were stinging, and I didn't think the submission attempt was enough to erase the stand up in that round.
Yes you were the only one sorry
@@Kaneda870no he wasn't. I had it 10-9 round 5 for Valentina. She was out boxing her for 4 minutes of the round. A minute of failed submission attempts that weren't ever close, doesn't win you the round. Sorry.
It was a great fight. It was a very close fight so I"m not surprised it ended up in a draw. I personally think Valentina won the fight. I completely disagree with the 5th round being 10 -8 Grasso.
It was not a draw. That judge gave that score PURPOSELY so that Grasso would be able to keep her belt. If he would have given the right score which was a 10-9, giving the rd to Grasso, Valentina would have won the belt instead of it being a draw. Grasso didn't do enough to win that fight.
@@empressraven But you can definitely argue that Grasso won 3 rounds. That score card was wrong, but not necessarily the outcome
@@empressravenscoring aside Alexxa still won. Vaneltima brought the fight but she still Fell short. She never even had Alexa in Danger the way she was. Are we gonna act like the Final Bell didn't save her? 🤦
@jorge5275 Valentina didn't fall short. One judge screwed her with a score of 10-8 making the fight a draw. If the correct score was given in rd 5, which was 10-9 to Grasso, Valentina would have won the belt. The judge gave that score purposely so Grasso wouldn't lose the belt and it would be a draw. A 10-8 for rd 5 is disrespectful to both fighters.
@@empressraven you don't get it, Besides the bad scoring Valentina didn't do enough to win. She came very close but not ose enough. And she almost got submitted a few times more than Alexxa was.
Legendary Valentina. Champion Alexa. What a fight! OG vs new generation. No new without old. No champion without legends. 👏👏👏
shes not that old
@@dhungryarchitect by mileage she is old. Her mileage consider old start training since 5 amateur fight 7 years old and fighting muay thai since 12. She has more than 200 amateur fight in muay thai before turning pro more than 80 fights muay thai /kick-boxing and 28 fights in pro mma. That take a lot of toll of mileage to her body with how many injuries. I know coz i watch her old interview and she came to my country to fight when she was young. 35 with that mileage is old brother.
shes not that old@@mastermind2173
Alexa isnt champion
She really thinks that judge has sleepless nights over a bad call? 🤣🤣
😂😂😂
He will since he'll likely never judge a UFC fight again.
It was a good fight. Let's just be clear here. Val said she was going to show Grasso "no mercy" and that this time she is going to pretty much kill her, no more games, etc., etc. The fact is, even if she did win the decision, that did not happen. Val has met her match in Grasso. She needs to stop pretending like she's the dominant fighter in the women's division who got fluked in the first fight and then screwed in the second. She may be a more well-rounded fighter, but the fact is, Grasso in both fights made Val have to work for that belt. Give the girl respect.
How dramatic. Live with that mistake forever. I’m sure he’s forgotten already.
She lost loads of money. She lost the title She lost loads of opportunities to make money. She might not get an other rematch because it's "2-0" What is your job? Do you get half your salary if you loose? Do you get less opportunities to make more money? Is your legacy on the line. It's not just a sport. It's her life.
@@sebastienplantejean7095 she lost the title in the first fight, bud. Alexa was champion
@@sebastienplantejean7095 Well it all started with her mistake in the first fight. So yeaa she can’t blame anyone but herself for losing the first fight and not doing enough the second fight.
@@sebastienplantejean7095 what I mean is, she makes it sound like that judge cares that much about her loss. Almost like the universe spins around her. The dramatization of “he lives with this mortal mistake forever, because I lost”. I’m telling you, that judge isn’t losing any sleep over this.
@@asianconnection7701except ... she didn't lose round 4 at all.
I mean. I thought Valentina lost. The 10-8 was wrong, but it was still too close to call a robbery. She really dropped the ball in the final minute of the fight
She also shot 20 unanswered jabs for the first 4mins of rd 5 she was bringing the fight and control almost the whole fight
She definitely did not lose- CASUAL. 10-8 round is uncalled for and Valentina is the rightful winner. Grasso won rounds 2 & 5 at best, however, not a 10-8.
Round 5 wasn't close to call 10-8 so yes, it was a robbery based on the score cards
@@Laced_out The way I see it, it came down to the final round. And Grasso was close to submitting her. So it's a tough one to call.
@@alllivesmatter3561 But I had it 2-2 going into the 5th. I'm not the only one
Queen 👸🏼 Salty!!!
The judge who scored round 5 a 10-8 needs to be fired. While it was a close fight and could have been scored 3-2 either way, the 10-8 was just terrible.
Dana white just said on the DWCS post fight pressor that the rematch is next 💯
She threw away her victory with the failed head in arm throw at the end of the fight. She will live with that forever.
That would’ve given her 49-46
This kid had the potential to become the people's champ and the highest paid woman's MMA fighter of all time, but she never shows any emotional part and connection, is just too hard on herself, never shows the extremely intelligent personality, never shows vulnerability, and etc, which doesn't connect with the fans except for her being arguably the most technical woman's fighter that can be appreciated, and she is superb most of the times. Anyway, she deserves the trilogy because both fights were simply fireworks.
Have you ever taken the time to think maybe it had a lot to do with her culture, she’s very likable, she’s been a martial artist longer than most fans have been alive, give this woman her respect period, this is the 2nd fight she’s be cheated out of, yet she’s still talking about continuing to fight.
@@justenzo7666she wasn’t cheated out it was 3-2 Alexa anyway
She is a great fighter but doesn't know how to lose.
Not trying to hate, but this sounds like the comment of someone who's never left the country. Non-native speakers are very literal, and their cultural differences sometimes don't translate well.
@@noicemate9111 oh thats funny... why valentina was on the scorecard on one judge 3-2??? and even on mike bells scorecard she was up after the 4 (3-1) so based on the judges scorecards grasso need a finish going in the 5th but instead somewhow mike bell scores the 5th a 10-8
It was a clear draw...and they made the numbers work, pushed Mike to the heat a little
I wonder why she doesn’t use her high kicks more frequently. She is so well rounded. Her takedowns are spectacular. Her cardio is from another planet. She is a goat for sure.
Too passive to be a GOAT
A GOAT with no belt ?
She’s being a spoiled brat about this. Literally nobody denies at all that yes it was a little excessive and controversial to have a 10-8 in the 5th but that’s where the controversy ends. Like regardless of whether you believe Val won, or grasso which either is fair most people would think it’s fair to say it’s 2-2 going into the 5th and unfortunately Val fumbled a 5tj round she was winning and ended that round getting teed off on by grasso and then almost choked unconscious so if anything on a LOT of peoples cards she should have lost but it was a draw so I don’t understand where all the crying is coming from. She lost her belt the first time and in a rematch in a super closely contested fight it came out a draw and I think it’s fair because for me personally grasso edged that fight by winning the 5th and then at worst it was a draw. You can’t cry about judges in this sport when you leave it to the judges in a closely contested hard to score fight but at the end of the day she will get her rematch again despite losing one and a draw in the second
She won't get rematch
Exactly well said the fight was as close as it gets so a draw makes perfect sense. The fight was back and forth up until the end. If Valentina is mad she should be mad at herself for dropping the ball in the 5th round.
She is totally being a brat because she’s been losing a bunch as of late. Didn’t even rewatch the fight lol by her own admission. The judges “sucking”in close fights is perfect for the sport, motivating for fighters to not leave it to the judges.
@@katana_3558 I mean idk, it isn’t as if this division has fresh contenders with a lot of draw potential beating down the door who the ufc is itching to give a shot to. Just look at nunes and pena as a prime example, super fluke win from pena but still, a crazy win and huge upset and in the rematch this fluke was thoroughly corrected by nunes absolutely battering her the entire fight but despite this and despite the fact in just about everyone’s minds even though it’s 1-1, pena being dominated meant we didn’t really need to see a 3rd but they still made the trilogy and it was pena who fumbled that at the end of the day but it still got made so I don’t see why in this scenario they won’t do the rematch outside ofc nobody caring to see it because as much as people wouldn’t care to really see Val grasso 3 I’m sure grasso vs santos would be even less interesting to people so idk, I guess I could be wrong but I think even if Val isn’t immediately given it and they do let another contender get a shot, Val won’t have to fight again and will get a rematch despite being essentially 0-2 against grasso now.
Blah, blah, blah. Stop reaching.
Nobody likes a sore loser. I think a champion shows their true colours in defeat.
It was a draw though...
She always whines when she loses
@@makedislikesgreatagain7682thats even worse no reason to cry
@@makedislikesgreatagain7682Thats even worse bro😂 Midshencko got exposed submitted and dropped by alexa lol 😂
Very Well Said!!!!
Saltenina not taking any responsibility for shooting a sloppy takedown in the 5th round against Grasso just like she did against Amanda
Independence Day 2: starring UFC champion Valentina Shevchenko
Alexa clearly won 3-2. Put Valentina on her butt #andstill Great performance by Val tho specially at her age
Clearly?😂😂😂
🤣@@marcoerbifori8683
Haha wtf Valentin won for sure
Yes. Alexa is 1-0-1 against Valentina. We should just move on to keep the division going.
Thumb broken ? So glad we get to see your honesty Valentina, your a true champ and you did win
Valentina is the real champ. F Mexico, F Herb Dean and F that judge Mike
Valentina can’t cry. The judges gave her the win over Santos when she clearly lost.
???
Santos did zero damage and her submission attempts were never close. I can understand people thinking Grasso won but there is no comparison with the Santos fight.
No lol
@@albertog4319 Valentina head-butted Santos resulting in an orbital injury which changed the trajectory of the fight ( was accidental but the fact is Santos was winning up till that point.
I didn’t want to believe chael when he Called Valentina a “heel” can’t deny it anymore
Always believe Unc
@@getemdetric60 or your own hearing
He said she should turn heel, Gomer. He never said she was one. In fact he said its probably too late now. Not too bright are you?
@@travisgoesthere Its sarcasm
It was an even fight I thought Valentina edged it by a little 10-8 in the 5th is wild!
Yeez but she didn't win the fight.
@@AlexRubioshe did, since if it were judges correctly, 10-9, she would be the one with the belt.. Grasso got gifted that win, happy Mexican Robbery Day..
@@voodjinjudged correctly according to who😂 alexa 3-2 bud but a Tie is ok since valentina wants to just hug alexa everyround and got out struck 262-199
@@voodjin oh, stop. She it's up to the challenger to make definite point she won the fight, Valentina got dropped! It's a close fight for sure, but Grasso finished well. Draw is a good choice
@@voodjintechnically, Grasso didn’t win either lol
she thinks it was a "mistake"...absolutely deliberate for who knows what reasons
I agree with the draw decision, the round where Alexa got the knockdown should have been the actual 10-8. Being honest, i like Grasso as champ, a lot more charismatic and entertaining
you can’t count round 2 a 10-8 do you know what 10-8 rounds look like
Yeah the fight was too back and forth and even in that 5th round Valentina couldve secured the win but instead gives up a dominant position and brings the round into question. No one really imposed their will so a draw is fair.
You thinking a knockdown gives you a 10-8 disqualifies your whole statement. This is not boxing brother.
Rounds 1 and 3 were for Valetina and 2 and 5 for Grasso. Round 4 is really close and be given to either. The 10-8 isn’t fair but the draw itself is.
False
100%. Grasso should have won 48-47, but with a draw at least Grasso didn't unfairly lose her belt.
I love Alexa but I honestly thought Valentina edged it, and knowing what I know now.. I respect her even more. Let's get that trilogy going.
I love how Ariel always tries his best to appease the guest lmaooo he’s soooo biased
Valentina got punched in the face so hard she did a somersalt and then tried to explain to herb dean the rules while getting kneed in the face 😂
😂😂😂
She did a somersault and recovered quick. That’s A level
She rolled back onto her feet
It was kind of impressive how quickly she sprung back to her feet so quickly tbh.
@@jacksonjacob7791she was just off balance when hit, im just trollin valentina fans 😂
26:27 Absolutely no way in hell that's happening lol
I had Valentina winning 1 and 3 with Grasso winning 2, 4 and 5. Grasso should've won
bottom line that 10-8 robbed valentina from the belt inexcusable from mike bell
No, bad judging robbed Grasso of a win@@coreyydeez3621
4 is a Valentina's round , but I get the point of who thinks Grasso wins it. The real problem is that 10 8 .
@@marcoerbifori8683 Grasso saved by the Mike Bell. 🙄
Valentina is a goat at making excuse after excuse.
You're the goat at eating cheetos, paying rent and owning zero assets.
@@joebenson528Valentina still doesn't have a belt, sweetie 😅
You're the GOAT at being a troll.
She won the fight.
@@tydupont8084 If by won you mean lost, I agree.
10-8 was definitely moronic BUT alexa won 3-2 u gotta give it to the champ even if its razor sharp. People have just gravitated towarda that 10-8 but the judges gifted bullet the draw and this is comin from a fan.
Grasso literally got busted open round 4 lol either 3-2 Val or 4-1 Val, Alexa didn’t win at all, wasn’t close💀💀
Exactly, Shevchenko was lucky to get a draw, if she lost 48-47 as she should have, there would be no talk of a trilogy, but now they might make it
@@JackGlockyyShevchenko ate 6 knees, got slammed and got outstruck on that round, Grasso won that round
@@jacquesdegauthierthe trilogy is so dumb so what if they do the third and grasso losed a split decision they run would have to run it back for a 4th time grasso already won the first won, svencko could not win the rematch end of the story
Nah....
In a championship fight, if you arnt dominating start to finish then high chances the decision wont be in your favor. The way how she came off before the fight indicated that she was gonna mop the floor with grasso. That didn't happen, so you didn't do enough, all I see now is a bunch of complaining and finger pointing... what better result ? Don't leave it to the judges.
I didn’t know grasso finished her in first fight ,
The Judge made a 10-8 round, IN THE FIFTH ROUND!!! IMHO to clinch the fight for Grasso. He knew Shevchenko would win.
Mike Bell made two mistakes. The first was to give Valentina a 10-9 in round 4. Then he tried to correct that by giving her a 10-8. If he hadn't made his first mistake, he would have given Alexa a 10-9 in round 4 and a 10-9 in round 5. Then Alexa would have won the fight. His mistakes actually benefitted Valentina. It saved her from another loss.
All the three commentators, and all the MMA aficionados were saying that the fifth round would decide the match. ALL were in agreement that the fight was even after the fourth round, so what exactly is the problem? According to their predictions, and mine, Grasso should have won even without the 10-8 score! And yet no is talking about the same judge having made an earlier error, since he'd scored it 3-1 after the fourth round. His "error" could rightly be regarded as correction for that earlier error. Anyways, Valentina always complains after losing, it's her go to MO.
Amen brotha. 💯 on every point you made.
Those people are all part of the UFCs propaganda machine. Those idiots tweeting all even said Valentina could have been up 3-1. Seemed kind of fishy they all had the same unified opinion...
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Valentina won the 4th round because she split grasso open. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a fight get decided by a cut. Idk why it isn’t applied here
@@al3xander353 people don't seem to understand the scoring criteria and think they can just ignore the damage Valnetina dished out in the 4th round. It was somewhat competitive aside from that, but when a round is close and one does more damage they clearly get the nod. There is no debating this at all. Valentina did more damage.
Valentina has a case or even people who had her winning but I disagree that she won. I think Alexa won but that 10-8 is rigged so she would’ve been the rightful winner in that way. I had Grasso 2-4-5
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dont let that fool you from the fact that Grasso is still a mexi can
3-2 either way is an understandable, arguable scorecard
Who did the damage in rd 4 is almost certainly the won who should have won based on the judging criteria.
@@jacksonjacob7791 Val did busted her up but I thought those knees were also nuts and a submission attempt trumps the 2 hard hits Grasso took
I rooted for Grasso, and after I saw the robbery, I come back to still give this woman her props, for winning 3 of 2 rounds with one hand. The UFC is despicable for not removing the belt from Grasso. Objectively, they gave the Mexican fighter slated to perform on Mexican Independence weekend a Noche Belt that looked made for her. As a Grasso fan, I can admit, what happened was not the UFCs fault, almost a month later, they have not corrected this error. And it sends a horrible message for MMA.
I think it's pretty arrogant of Valentina to say she did so much better than Alexa....because a lot of ppl believe grasso won. It was an extremely close fight could have to Alexa just as easy as Valentina
Thats Valentina for you. She acts like she won 50-45.
Is not arrogant she has a champion mindset most people think Val won Alexa had only 2 moments throughout the whole fight so idk what your crying about
Not really close. Clear 48-47 Valentina.
Im genuinely Happy Alexa is still champ, she won this fight imo
Not a chance
@@demetriomaniau9249 100%. Valentina almost got finished again
@@jamespaul6315 So did Grasso, She almost got submitted
@@demetriomaniau9249 lol no
@@demetriomaniau9249Valentina almost got submitted multiple times, almost TKO'ed and knocked down
You get these results when you leave it to the judges score cards...all the time
20:00 this is why Ariel is the best in the business. He hosts a show where if he offends a guest he could easily lose them forever (especially a superstar like Shevchenko) but he wasn’t afraid to tell her she was wrong about the knees, something she’s been complaining about non stop since the fight. It’s unbelievable actually that the fight was late Saturday night and by Monday morning, after complaining at the presser, no one on her team, no one in the media and none of her friends told her those knees weren’t illegal even though everyone who watched the fight knows that because Cruz and Cormier mentioned it several times. Give Helwani his flowers
Very true, but a few of them were actually to the back of the head, which makes them illegal in a different way.
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@@jayelay9750 she didn’t complain a single one being to the back of the head and if you watch The Weasle’s recap none of them were. She was complaining about knees to a downed opponent
It would be nice if Valentina could lose gracefully, but doesn't look like that will ever happen. With that said, she fought her ass off and left all in the octagon
What does it mean -lose gracefully? Take an unfair judging lying down?
She got screwed over bro you’d be mad too if you got screwed over in a dangerous sport you’ve risked your health for, and dedicated your life to training for.
She was a sore loser in the 1st one, she's a sore loser in this one. Do you expect someone to change his personality in a couple of months?
Her voice is like that old lady from the marketplace XD
2 of the 3 judges gave rounds 1,3,4 to Valentina. Rd 5 wasn't even competitive. Val jabbed her for 4 minutes straight and had Grasso bleeding all over the place. Grasso has a nice last 60 seconds and gets a 10-8 🤷♀🤷♀🤣🤣
nope, rd 5 was actually pretty even on striking. 20 to 23. The difference is 1:30 mins of domination on the ground and the sub attempt.
@@clinch4402 Grasso was still outstruck, even with all the GnP. 4 minutes of control to 1. no question in my eyes. 90% of those shots were blocked, though it was a bad moment; it was too little too late
@@BOZ_11 If you like, but that's not what the rules state. Whoever's closer to a finish wins the round. Not a 10-8, but Grasso had it.
@@clinch4402 without the 10-8, grasso loses.
@@BOZ_11 Not what we were discussing, but sure. Without one of the 10-9s, grasso wins. Dumb game to play.
Lets not only focus on the 10-8. Lets talk about it that it was overall a very even fight and a draw is fine.
bro u dont get it ha??? no one care how the rest of the fight was....
It wasn't an even fight. 2 of the judges had it 3-1 for Valentina going into the 4th rd. If Mike Bell gave the correct score of 10-9 to Grasso in the 5th, Valentina would have won. But because of the low score it caused a draw. Only ONE judge had it 2-2 going into the 5th.
So you have to focus on the 10-8. It robbed Valentina because it wasn't a 10-8 rd and Valentina would have won if the right score was given.
Regardless of who you think won, is it possible that fight cards specifically celebrating a certain country or region, and then are stacked with fighters from that area, are inherently more open to bias than usual? I dunno. But, that 10-8 was evil.
Yep right on. This happened not to long when jamie mullarky won a decision in australia while he clearly lost the fight.
Don’t forget it was a DRAW Ariel , Ariel asks the questions very well
Thank you Ariel on behalf of fans for finding about commission , please continue and let’s all unite and let the judges be more responsible
The judges/scoring system will never change. It’s designed like this for a reason, business
I had it 3-2 Grasso
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Alexa won, Valentina got lucky with the draw, alexa had more moments and reversed positions and was getting back to her feet. Showed her more looks on grappling, gave her clinches, punched her up.. if Valentina didnt land the cutting elbow, everyone would cllearly see she lost
But she did land the elbow, and it matters. She also had grasso locked in a submission attempt for a long minute. She’s not lucky, she should have been given the decision.
@@jamesmarkham1887yea that round is more of a 10-8
@@jamesmarkham1887you act like Alexxa was gonna let her go if the bell didn't save her😂 Alexxa had her close to a finish in three different occasions The one time Vla had Alexxa she was t even in Danger The camera showed a close up and she was comfortable AF
@@jamesmarkham1887 rewatch round 4, all that Val did was jab jab, Alexa took her down, got her back, threatened arm submission, then again at end of the round was about to lock in a leg submission, are we watching the same fight ??? Worlds gone Biased, u get it we are all fans of Valentina but cmon, she lost.. I know the last round wasn’t a 10-8 but she won 2,4 and 5 clearly !!! Even DC said it during the round “this is a great round for the champion”
@@moemiz6850 She did enough to win. The world is right, you are just wrong. Clearly all the videos out by DC,Bisping and chael have all said Val won.
She spends all this time on Mike Bell who scored the fight a Draw, what about Kamijo who actually scored it a Win for Grasso
😂😂😂😂 right
People hating on her because she’s speaking out facts are away with it
She gets a lot of love too. Deservedly so. She is a very direct person always. People shouldn't hold that against her
Scoring aside Alexxa still won
@@jorge5275 how did you see it?
@@knowsmebyname possibly 48-47 for Alexa
@@jorge5275 and you feel Alexa won 3 rounds? Well you are not alone. You are in the miniority but not alone.
I think he shoulda said he mistakenly wrote an 8. that's how bad it was.. her comments were a bit misplaced. but.. I do think he was heavily influenced by the crowd's reactions to Grasso taking her back near the end of the fight.
Grasso said she did more damage. Looking at them both...she did NOTTTTTT...LOL
Well two judge's gave her the 4th round. No way she won 4.
Yes way. Based on damage alone she won that round with that elbow.
I would respect her a lot more if she sucked it up and said "I have no excuses. Me and Alexa put on a great fight, but unfortunately for me, the judges ruled it a split draw". Instead of wasting energy by blaming the judge, she should be asking what she could've done to finish the fight and not giving decision to judges.
Why she cant try to explain? U get robbed, but dont explain to cops but say, I wont get robbed next time.
@@Tko_Seven There's a difference between explaining and complaining.
@@bernardocisneros4402 yes. And shes explaining why she is complaining.
@@bernardocisneros4402 she has a right to explain or complain, nobody thinks the 10-8 was a good or even logical score and it cost her half her pay, a title win, and the damage to her legacy.
The judge was an idiot and its incredibly suspicious and inconsistent that he would suddenly aware a 10-8 in the final round. She has a right to speak about it.
She`s past her prime , she just hasn`t realized it yet
Maybe, but the division has evolved as well considering how much far ahead Valentina was in comparison with the other fighters until recently.
Still better than 99% of all 3 WMMA divisions out there..
She made improvements since her last fight., and was quicker on her feet The standard of the other fighters in the division has also gone up, and Valentina has played an influential role in that.
So what if she has. Happens to everyone.
Still better than the whole division except grasso
Hopefully she still got her win bonus for the draw
@@asianconnection7701 Yes, I do. They do it all the time. Countless backroom bonuses and even extra fight bonuses. They've also paid fighters their win bonus after a draw in the past. There have also been occasions where a fighter officially loses a decision and Dana personally thought they won and were robbed, so he gave them their win bonus anyway. I'm not sure if they have a set rule on draws or it's fully on a discretional basis, but I'm pretty sure on paper if you're on a 50/50 deal you're only contracted to get the win bonus for an actual win, and draws don't count unless Dana does you a solid.
She did wobble Grasso once in the 5th.. 3:55 even the commentators missed it.. she hit her with a good shot and Grasso tried to shake it off but you could see her balance was off.
Grasso dropped her, your point is?
@@sdmfp333 Not in the 5th.. (all 3 judges scored the 2nd round to Grasso where the flash knockdown happened) I'm not going to explain further because you can't read or understand basic context (Grasso got a 10-8 score in the 5th)
Despite the results of the current situation of her outcome, the way she carries her self as a whole , are the traits of a TRUE champ. She stuck around for the post fight inty with DC. Then walked out of the arena greeting, signing merch and taking pics with the fans and still went/ stayed for the entire postfight presser.. And now Monday, she's still doing full lenght interviews with AH! Meanwhile, 2 weeks later, Izzy hasn't said a damn word after getting smoked by Mr. 1st Amendment, Strickland! No updates on his YT channel, IG, or on anyone else's. Completely taking the Ronda Rousey path. Hard to respect 'champs' like that. In any case, a triology rematch with Grasso is the move to do next sometime in Jan. '24~ By the record, no one officially won. For if they bang again, and Grasso loses, it may take the Figgy/Moreno route . Lets see what unfolds in coming month/s.
She’s not gonna be back by January w a broken finger. Prob march-june.
I completely agree with you !
Draw and loss affect you differently. Also, she is whining about draw and whined after her losses to Amanda. Praising her reactions seems biased.
@@mikeJohnson-ie2md is she whining or making very valid points and speaking her truth?? Everything she said was logical. She said she broke her thumb on her power hand(which def can be enough to alter the course of the fight seeing that you can’t hold grips as hard, close your fist as hard when punching), she said that 10-8 in the 5th was insane, and she said that she felt robbed…all very valid and logical. She’s not complaining. She’s stating what happened.
@@mikeJohnson-ie2mdshe was also bitter about the loss to Alexa in the first fight when she said she was winning the whole fight before getting choked 😅
I like Valentina she is the definition of focused and hard working. What is the worst thing about her, is her lack of respect for Grasso. This is disappointing. Both fights have proved That Grasso is no joke. say what you will about who you think won. But lets give respect where respect is due. Grasso is the new champ and she deserves the belt and the respect at minimum from Valentina. that's two fights now that the bullet only grazed the target..
Alexa Grasso is the female version of Aljamain Sterling.
@@davidbell4626 i think that’s valentina after fighting grasso since all She wants to do is hold onto grasso every round
@@davidbell4626 was that a dig on Grasso?? Haha that could be looked at from both sides of the fence
@@tracyupshaw7862 she's a good fighter that gets no respect just like Aljamain.......
@@user-wt4gw2bg6m That was her biggest mistake. But if you heard her talk she broke her hand. Her best option was to take it to the ground where she finds success 98% of the time.. unfortunately Grasso got the memo and prepared for all her usual tricks and shut every single one down… Can you imagine how pissed Valentina was…. I can
While its true that she was not a down during those knees but 2-3 of those knees were clearly to the back of the head.
Aguante valentina saludos desde buenos aires argentina
29:00 Says the woman that got TWO title shots with just 6 fights in the UFC.... Grasso had to fight more than 10 times to get a single title shot
Valentina stepped in on short notice to fight Sarah Kaufman who was a former title challenger. Then she fought Amanda and after that close fight she beat Holly and Julianna. Alexa was losing fights against straweights. Put some respect on Valentina's name.
I think if anyone should be upset about the decision it should be Grasso, I thought she won rds 2,4 and 5 plus Val got knockdown and spun backwards that shows the power of Grasso, Vals time is up the girls caught up to her
She rolled backwards to avoid a takedown. She was not hurt from the shot she was off balance throwing her own hook. Watch their feet when they trade hooks, Grasso was set and balanced so she was able to stay up.
@@joebenson528exactly, clear as day
@@joebenson528make sure to rehydrate with Gatorade or something because that's a ton of salty tears flowing from those eyes
She did not win round 4. Since her opponent caused more damage simple as that. That is how rounds are scored now. Even 2 of the 3 judges thought Valentina won rd 4.
What does the knockdown have to do with it? Grasso won the 2nd round. You saying her time is up shows that you just don't like her personally and disqualifies your comment.
The UFC needs to fix the judge problems , it’s been a problem , and the UFC needs to fix this crap
The UFC has absolutely no control over the judging. The comissions are the ones that do the judging, this is the same comission that has ruined boxing. Don't expect to change anytime soon if at all