The 5 Knife Grips Essential for Spoon Carving: Safe and Efficient

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Running a woodworking school for 3 years, I got asked how to get started woodworking, how to do woodworking without a shop, and how to carve wood without breaking the bank, and I loved directing folks to spoon carving. I found a piece of walnut firewood at my friend, woodworking craftsman and windsor chair maker, Greg Pennington's house, and decided to turn his firewood into treasure, a handmade spoon. Using an axe and a knife, I carved him a hand made kitchen utensil in the form of a butter (or nutella) paddle. While I was at it, I carved a whole bunch more spoons too. I love spoon carving because it's a great way to learn SO much about woodworking even without a woodworking workshop, a whole shop full of woodworking tools, or a whole lot of time. Carving green wood with an axe and sloyd knife is not nearly as intimidating as it seems, especially after a little practice, and wood carving is definitely oddly satisfying! Carving is one element of primitive living and bushcraft skills that you can take anywhere. Carving green wood makes for a very relaxing afternoon, the sounds of the axe and knife can be really hypnotic. Get your own daily woodworking asmr by learning to carve! Spoon Carving is a great easy woodworking gift, easy woodworking product to sell, or weekend diy project!
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  • Knowing how to apply a band-aid or a tourniquet with one hand is a helpful skill. That might also increase one's interest in safety.

    @2300Kenzie@2300Kenzie3 жыл бұрын
  • I can’t say how often I see people comment on any kind of video where a person is carving something and at some point, the person doing the carving will cut towards themselves and the commenter will go absolutely out of their mind and say something about how dangerous it is, and they then proceed, as if schooling the wood carver that you never cut towards yourself. When you see that comment, it comes from a person who was told this as a child by someone who genuinely cared about their safety, because they had witnessed the kid doing really dangerous stuff. The person kept that lesson through their life and thinks that any time a knife edge faces towards them that they are going to get badly hurt. They think it’s their job to instruct safety on others. In reality, there are many safe cuts that orient the edge towards yourself that have virtually no chance of hurting the carver. Usually it’s because the sharp edge is kept away from the person by either the object being cut or the direction of travel of that edge is blocked from hitting you by your own bodies limitation to extend. It’s a learned skill. The thing that really bothers me about it is that the person making the video has to constantly explain about the safe way of cutting and they are reluctant to post anything because of the constant problem of unskilled people telling them they are doing it wrong or setting a bad example.

    @Traderjoe@Traderjoe3 жыл бұрын
  • AWSOME TIPS! I love learning something new! Scouting never taught me these things! Im not a carver but its always nice to know safety tips to practice, and service my cutting tools. Thank You Thank You Thank You. Maybe my daughter will like Ariat boots.

    @clifc6351@clifc6351 Жыл бұрын
  • That's some experienced knowledge on how to use a carving knife effectively and safely, handed out for free! 👌🏽 You rock, Anne, thank you.👍🏽

    @Bill.L.Carroll@Bill.L.Carroll3 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks Bill! Glad you liked it!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Going to love this series. Started purchasing my tools during lock-down, but yet have to start carving.

    @woroGaming@woroGaming3 жыл бұрын
  • Very interesting. I love how you teach and your work.

    @bronsonstephens5799@bronsonstephens57993 жыл бұрын
  • 0:55 The crayon flames on the stove is a genius touch.

    @A.R.B.J.@A.R.B.J.3 жыл бұрын
    • Atmosphere is everything ;)

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • This video is so appreciated! I am new to spoon carving and learned some helpful tips.

    @davidbass5127@davidbass51273 жыл бұрын
    • Glad it was helpful! Here are some more that you might find helpful! kzhead.info/channel/PLWNVttqlY0tW4lZmAbLvDKa-OzRtHRuv0.html

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Loved this one! Beautifully shot too!! Can’t wait for the sharpening video. 🙌

    @ericholljes9143@ericholljes91433 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you! best news, it's already up, and it's on the spoon carving playlist linked in the video description :)

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • I'm so excited for this series!!

    @Neature.nut.@Neature.nut.3 жыл бұрын
    • So glad to hear it Katelyn!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • This is awesome! Thanks for doing this and thanks to Ariat!

    @colleenbarry5611@colleenbarry56113 жыл бұрын
    • So glad you liked it!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Nice vid. Good points. I did relief carving for a while and had a set of Pheil gouges/chisels and they were great. Then I got into carving little figures from 1.5 or 2" square stock around 3 or 4" high. One carver I watched recommended a Mike Shipley knife which I think now go under the name OCC or something to that effect. Well, I was fortunate enough to be able to afford the 23 bucks each for a 1.75 blade model as well as the 1" model for detail. I thought I had died and gone to carving heaven! Best knife I've ever owned, though in truth, after those I didn't experiment much more. Tried the flexcut and they were OK, but I hardly use them because the Shipleys are just so good. They bevel the entire blade so you aren't forcing as much metal into the cut and yet they are plenty strong. There is a touch to everything from music to carving and you are correct, learn to just engage the wood and not gouge and it's much easier to control. And practice, practice, practice! Just thought I'd share that. But love your vids. Always informative.

    @BirdYoumans@BirdYoumans3 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for making this video Anne!

    @outcastcwd@outcastcwd3 жыл бұрын
    • No problem!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Awesome work Anne, thanks for the info! 😃👍🏻🔪🥄👊🏻

    @FredMcIntyre@FredMcIntyre3 жыл бұрын
    • My pleasure!!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Once again, bang up job! Nice mora 120 by the by. Great for detail cuts.

    @trackerjacker0013@trackerjacker00133 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Not having done any carving since I was, well, too young to admit, your video today has given me inspiration and made start thinking about it again, thus today Anne, you are a Muse!

    @davidgleaton9073@davidgleaton90733 жыл бұрын
    • So glad to hear it!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you very much for sharing this, Anne !

    @matmarteau@matmarteau3 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks for watching!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Very good, clear and concise information, excellent primer on carving

    @tonyburelle6633@tonyburelle66333 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks Tony!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Awesome teaching video there Anne keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend keep making love ur videos

    @SchysCraftCo.@SchysCraftCo.3 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks so much Jared! Will do!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • Anne of All Trades ur very welcome my friend

      @SchysCraftCo.@SchysCraftCo.3 жыл бұрын
  • A bunch of fantastic tips Anne. Thanks for sharing and teaching lesson. I just may need to get me one of those knives. Take care

    @mrstan3997@mrstan39973 жыл бұрын
    • Glad it was helpful!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Great advice. Well done

    @markdmaker3173@markdmaker31733 жыл бұрын
    • Glad it was helpful!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • GREAT CRAFTMAN TIPS , THANK YOU ANNE 👍🇲🇽

    @joseantoniomenendezdomingu1162@joseantoniomenendezdomingu11623 жыл бұрын
    • Glad it was helpful!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Having a good sharp knife also applies to cutting, slicing or chopping food. I used to teach an after school lunch program. We taught kids how to make themselves a healthy after school snack without using the stove. One of the classes was all on how to properly use a knife. The less pressure you need to apply while cutting/slicing lessens the chance of slippage and accidents. And one thing i always empathized on is to make sure you can always see the knife and your fingers before cutting. Great video. Thank you for sharing.

    @MisterTee2010@MisterTee20103 жыл бұрын
  • Great video Anne!

    @timthompson3817@timthompson38173 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you!!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • I love how you include how to affordably get carving AND how to do it safely 👍 My fingers thank you

    @yellowmuginc@yellowmuginc3 жыл бұрын
    • Very welcome!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Awesome demo Anne. Just recently agreed to sharing studio space with two other artists, interested in trying this out. Good luck with the barn build😀

    @danielpreilly77@danielpreilly773 жыл бұрын
    • Awesome, thank you!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video 👍 I like flexcut knives for carving

    @mountainviewturning5319@mountainviewturning53193 жыл бұрын
    • Nice! I have a few myself, but prefer the handle shape and blade rigidity of the mora for my main carving.

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Hello great video. I love watching your videos and a beautiful and amazing woman showing everyone how to do things is the best way of life.

    @johnniebunton4978@johnniebunton49783 жыл бұрын
  • I vote to change the name of the chest lever cut to the Chicken Wing!

    @LogHouseFarm@LogHouseFarm3 жыл бұрын
    • hahaha totally!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • I used your spoon from dry wood to make my daughter a spoon from PurpleHeart wood for her eighth birthday it was a great success even though I cut myself with the thumb push cut exactly as you described, look forward to the rest of the series 👍🏻

    @samgooding-matthews3175@samgooding-matthews31753 жыл бұрын
    • What a wonderful gift! Purple Heart is tough to carve too!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Cant wait for a detailed [course] on carving. See you there.

    @thomasarussellsr@thomasarussellsr3 жыл бұрын
    • We are working on it as we speak!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • That's the same rule my mother taught me when she showed me how to cook when I was a kid: "A sharp knife is a safe knife."

    @DevinWatson@DevinWatson3 жыл бұрын
    • Absolutely!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Cub Scouts, "Soap Box Derby" carving the car from a block of balsa wood No one had taught me even the basics of carving at that point. So, no surprise this is when I learned all about the dangers of carving towards yourself. Nice slash between thumb and forefinger, which was almost through to the other side. I was also using an exacto knife... surgical slice. Your videos are always educational, and just fun to watch! Thank you!

    @RB-vr7mq@RB-vr7mq3 жыл бұрын
    • Ouch! Glad you recovered. Thank you for the kind words!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Really spoontacular video , really good safety tips 👍

    @markengineeringSA@markengineeringSA3 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks a lot!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Boots on your wedding day...... "One of those homes where the buffalo roams"..... LOL! good for you! Cheers!

    @thomascdurham9130@thomascdurham91303 жыл бұрын
    • You got that right!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Tell me why I got chills when I heard the detailed cutting...

    @nataliemaxey7796@nataliemaxey77963 жыл бұрын
  • Поредното отлично показно от един голям профисиомалист.Възхищавам ти се много отлична работа...

    @dakata160@dakata1603 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • @@AnneofAllTrades за мен е удоволствие

      @dakata160@dakata1603 жыл бұрын
  • You have really carved out a good life for yourself God bless

    @billyhill101@billyhill1013 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you so much! I didn’t even know half of these!🤣

    @shamardaniel4819@shamardaniel48193 жыл бұрын
    • Happy to help!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video..🖒🖒😙

    @sadidiker@sadidiker3 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you 🤗

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Nice shirt!

    @dlciii@dlciii3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video! Would you please do one on the finishes you use for food safe surfaces. :):)

    @mikehomner4724@mikehomner47243 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for all the great videos. I have enjoyed watching your journey. I look forward to bringing my daughter to a spoon carving class when your school is up and running. In the mean time, do you have a recommendation for the length of blade on a Slyod Knife for spoon carving?

    @adamjohnson6430@adamjohnson64302 жыл бұрын
  • Could you please do a video on sharpening the carving knifes. TIA. Blessings to you and your family

    @ceedub6233@ceedub62333 жыл бұрын
    • I already did :) It's in this playlist: kzhead.info/channel/PLWNVttqlY0tW4lZmAbLvDKa-OzRtHRuv0.html

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Shoulder cut - remove a lot of material Chest lever cut - another power cut Pull cut - for detail, handles Potato peeling - for detail, ends of spoons, roundings Scissor - with thumb lever for transition points

    @HeySeussGranny@HeySeussGranny3 жыл бұрын
  • I use to make cedar shingles when I was 6 with an axe, good times; I never did try wood craving, looks interesting Anne 🖐

    @Pembroke.@Pembroke.3 жыл бұрын
    • It's never too late!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • Using an regular axe or a fro?

      @danyellerobinson5940@danyellerobinson59403 жыл бұрын
    • @@danyellerobinson5940 Froe's are actually meant to split wood evenly, whereas shingle hatchets are designed to split shingles. My grandpa was able to use them interchangeably though.

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • @@AnneofAllTrades Good to know. Thanks.

      @danyellerobinson5940@danyellerobinson59403 жыл бұрын
    • @@danyellerobinson5940 a regular 5 lb ax

      @Pembroke.@Pembroke.3 жыл бұрын
  • ❤️❤️❤️

    @katicafratric8306@katicafratric83063 жыл бұрын
  • I know what I am doing with all my scrap wood now 😊

    @Mr_Mooo@Mr_Mooo3 жыл бұрын
    • Heyyo!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • can you tell me what brand of ax you use at the end of this tutorial

    @leeallen5153@leeallen51533 жыл бұрын
  • Hi, could you please do a video on spokeshaves? Thank you!

    @radiantsunsurfer3@radiantsunsurfer33 жыл бұрын
    • kzhead.info/sun/g5qcadh-qGKse3A/bejne.html ;)

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • @@AnneofAllTrades I was hoping you could help with adjusting the blade and the different types for different projects. I have one but have been struggling with how to adjust and use it for spoon making. Thank you!!!

      @radiantsunsurfer3@radiantsunsurfer33 жыл бұрын
    • reji kinn oh sure. I adjust it the same way I do a plane blade, with a little hammer, and a curved bottom shave should get you pretty much anywhere you want to take a spokeshave, till you start getting into the really nerdy stuff. But I’ll add a dedicated video about shaves to the list for sure!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Will you be selling any of the spoons you make? Got a Milk Dud mug and animals T-ee shirt already, would like to add to my helping Annie merch. 👍

    @ga5743@ga57433 жыл бұрын
    • That's awesome, thank you for that support! Yes, we have a big website update we need to make because the spoons are starting to pile up, but we've got a video release bananza happening this week we've been working really hard to prepare for, so we haven't had a chance to put them up on the site yet.

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • good video. What Axe are you using, it does not appear in your store on amazon? Thanks

    @andrewmorley5187@andrewmorley51873 жыл бұрын
  • If you only have cut your fingers on your other hand with the knife you can try wrapping them with compression tape, that's what I use when I carve I found I like it better than the glove I was using I have more control of my work.

    @moonwolf7135@moonwolf71353 жыл бұрын
    • I use both hands when I carve, and it’s better to use proper technique than wear safety measures, but if that works for you, far be it from me to discourage it!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • @@AnneofAllTrades I am ambidextrous but haven't tried carving with my left hand just yet, use my hand and power tools with both but been doing that since my pap and daddy had me sitting in the engines of vehicles to work on them at 8 yrs.

      @moonwolf7135@moonwolf71353 жыл бұрын
    • Moonwolf71 it’s always so handy to be both handed, with woodwork it helps be more flexible with grain direction, with wrenching, it’s always nice to have another way to reach in and get that impossible nut

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • watching this after getting back from the er with 3 stitches, and I noticed a scar on your right hand in the same spot when I jammed my chisel😑😅.

    @josephdolderer@josephdolderer6 ай бұрын
  • What kind of wood do you recommend starting with?

    @ChadAmI80@ChadAmI803 жыл бұрын
    • Whatever is available! Fruit wood and nut woods are my favorites if you can find them

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • What I want to know is where to get a decent but cheap hatchet for woodworking, any help would be much appreciated.

    @tatzlewyrm@tatzlewyrm3 жыл бұрын
    • Keep your eyes peeled at garage sales. I’ve gotten lots of awesome hatchets for $5-15

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • What is the brand and model of your hatchet in this video? It looks like a great piece of gear!

    @outcastcwd@outcastcwd3 жыл бұрын
    • www.amazon.com/shop/anneofalltrades?listId=3A9C8R1GSK4YE

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you!😁

      @outcastcwd@outcastcwd3 жыл бұрын
    • Cheers!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • @@AnneofAllTrades interesting that you say "Cheers".... I'm at this moment sitting by a fire having a beer with my dog.... You must be psychic!😜

      @outcastcwd@outcastcwd3 жыл бұрын
  • I used to call that whittling lol

    @TeamProsperity@TeamProsperity3 жыл бұрын
    • Call it what you want, just do it often! It’s good for the soul

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • I have an 8` young cypress tree that the bull broke. Been sitting around for years. I'm going to have to carve me something.

    @johnd5805@johnd58053 жыл бұрын
    • Heck yeah you are!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • The basic cuts are push cut, pull cut, v-cut, paring cut, and stop cut. They have alternative names as well. One tip I would give is to use a knife that is properly sized in contrast to the piece of wood you're using. That knife you're using in the video looks like it cuts really well but the piece of wood you're using it on is too small. That makes it a little risky and potentially dangerous. Also, with exception of the paring cut you always want to carve away from your body.

    @stringpuppetmaestro2804@stringpuppetmaestro28043 жыл бұрын
    • I'd also like to add that you should use knives that are specifically carving knives. Wood carving knives have their blades on the opposite side of a normal blade. That makes them more ergonomic to use when carving away from your body.

      @stringpuppetmaestro2804@stringpuppetmaestro28043 жыл бұрын
    • The cuts I’m showing here are very well paired to the project at hand, and, when executed properly are very safe with any sized project and any size knife. This is a double beveled sloyd knife, and is my preferred knife for carving. Different schools of thought and different methods are totally acceptable, as long as it gets folks access to making wood chips. The method you’re describing would involve having access to a much more evolved, more expensive toolkit than a simple hatchet and knife, therefore making carving a lot more unapproachable to a lot of folks.

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • 2:21 Chicken cuts!

    @reforzar@reforzar3 жыл бұрын
    • Hahaha that would be a much better name

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • A dull knife is more dangerous than a sharp one because, with the extra force needed, at the end of the cut (or if it slips) the knife will travel further before you can stop it.

    @ecocentrichomestead6783@ecocentrichomestead67833 жыл бұрын
    • Exactly

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • I started carving wood using, wood block carving tools they were Aweful tools, the handles would come off, while carving wood, but they were some cheap tools made in China, and NOT proper wood working/ carving tools, I was very young then in High School, and I didn't"t know Anything about woodworking, I was the first girl in my school to take woodworking and everyone thought I was crazy, that was back when we were first allowed to wear jeans in school for girls

    @lorimangold2890@lorimangold28903 жыл бұрын
  • The cooking teacher in my school said the most dangerous knife is a blunt one.

    @eric.is.online@eric.is.online3 жыл бұрын
    • Absolutely!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
  • Maybe MoraKniv

    @yuriedwards3803@yuriedwards38033 жыл бұрын
    • Indeed!

      @AnneofAllTrades@AnneofAllTrades3 жыл бұрын
    • @@AnneofAllTrades All good enjoy your lessons on tool safety it is important to be taught properly which you do .

      @yuriedwards3803@yuriedwards38033 жыл бұрын
  • Anne , put the knife down when you talking. you made me nervous, BTW I liked your vlog !!!!

    @1rdgrnnr@1rdgrnnr3 жыл бұрын
    • good thing you're completely safe behind your screen ;)

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