Simon Jordan Accuses Leicester City Of 'Virtue Signalling' Over FFP Case Transparency Demand! ❌🔥
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Leicester City have launched a legal case after being charged with FFP breaches. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Graeme Souness have their say!
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Leicester are playing the pedantic game and using the "trying to break into the top 6" excuse. Leeds and Southampton didn't have a problem producing their accounts to the relevant authorities and they were both in the PL for the last 3 years
Leics are cheats, 3rd time they have done this, time they got properly punished.
Souness looks bored AF
It must be boring just sitting there while Jim White whittles on or talks to Simon, especilly when you go on and on about the same thing. Must happen in radio all the time and until youtube nobody ever saw it. We only see a snapshot, they do this for hours.
Just wish he was on board .. lol kixx
It's only a short time ago that Leicester were included in the group that were going to sue Everton for breaching FFP rules that cost them their place in the EPL. Now it turns out they were doing exactly the same thing. Let's get rid of the smoke screen of Man City and Chelsea and look at the facts; 1) At least 14 clubs voted on and approved the current FFP rules which stated that for a breach of FFP they could be fined and/or given a points deduction. 2) At least 14 clubs voted to speed up the process because clubs were doing all they could to drag out the process. 3) Among those that voted yes for both of the above were both Everton and Leicester. 4) Forest voted yes to point 2 but accepted point one as a condition of their membership of the EPL. 5) We know that at least 15 clubs kept within the FFP rules (excepting we don't yet know the truth about Chelsea and Man City). 6) It would appear that Everton, Leicester and Forest thought they would only be fined and that points deductions would not apply so they didn't have a problem. 7) All three clubs accepted as a condition of membership of the EPL and/or EFL all three clubs signed on to obey the rules. 8) While Forest appear to have in large accepted their punishment, Everton and Leicester appear to now be claiming it's all unfair and they want a change after the facts. 9) Both Everton and Leicester have deliberately refused to release their financial statements probably knowing that to do so would be an admission of guilt. Those are the facts. I wonder how Leicester would react if they won promotion that the EPL said "from what happened this past season, you don't want to obey our rules so you are not eligible to become a member." How will Leicester react if they don't get promoted back to the EPL and instead have to play another season in the EFL where the full weight of FFP will hit them and they can't use the argument we were not a member"?
So what's your point?
Probably the best comment I have read regarding financial fair play
@@domparris7001 that these clubs voted for something they didn't believe would have a real impact on them. They in effect cheated believing that they would only have to face a financial penalty. A financial penalty that might impact their standing with FFP later but they would only receive the same punishment again. They had no complaints until suddenly they were facing a points deduction that could cost them their place in the big money league. They knew they were breaching the rules because they tried to hide their accounts. they say they should not receive a sporting sanction but gained a sporting advantage by buying and playing players they couldn't afford. This caused other clubs to suffer. Somehow they feel they should be treated as a special case. But at the same time in Leicesters case they tried to sue another club for doing the same as them.
@@domparris7001 his point is that Leicester have not cooperated with there audits and the fact they cannot take accountability when they have knowingly done wrong breaking PSR rules the fact on one hand they say the EPL we are not under our your powers and because there in the EFL and then next saying to The EFL we are not under your powers either which bloody is it then you can have it both ways whilst i feel for Leicester's fans and players they done nothing wrong those dealing with there finances are at fault whilst its not pleasant to see these clubs in trouble it does annoy me when there clearly done wrong and trying to get out of it, if they were treated unfairly or the PL or EFL made errors that's one thing however they have not Leicester know they have broken PSR rules in the past it was fines and clubs would be happy with that but now there are points deductions there crying and playing victim except there punishment and move on
@@domparris7001His/her point is glaringly obvious. Leicester have broken the FFP/P&S rules they voted for because instead of getting a fine they are going to suffer a points deduction and their doing anything they can to get out of it .
How does Jim White still have a job. Can we not just send him back to cover Arbroath local radio.
Sorry Leicester this dosent pass the smell test for me
Leicester City wanted to sue Everton I really hope a points deduction will stop them going up
I’m a Leicester City fan, we have to accept we broke the rules, take the points dock and move on and improve our business dealings, reduce wages, use the academy players and we have some quality coming through unless the big six, nick them because they are exempt from FFP or PSR and know the Everton’s, Forest’s etc, will have to sell to not breach again
Club will be done for tried to actually hide there books premiere league will throw the book at them fact
The big six are not exempt. They generate more revenue and therefore can spend more. Hopefully City will suffer the consequences for falsely inflating their revenue, which then allowed them to spend more than they should have.
@@gustaaf1892 no Man City have nearly 50 allegations Chelsea over ten so they will be heard . as for your club that went down you had a massive advantage your wage bill is 75 million this year . spending 45 million in total even though you went Down . Leeds Southampton both showed there books you should be deducted points now not next season and not 4 not 6 should be double figures . Tried to play the same game with to authority’s and now they have caught you out . Should be taken out on your club not the people that caught them red handed
Using academy players in the EPL - or even EFL - is a pipe dream. There will be the occasional stand-out player but people like Alves and Braybroke are at too early a stage in their careers.
@@stainesfc647 You have confused me for a Leicester supporter, which I'm not. Leicester is delaying these proceedings, which they have done all the way along by not presenting their financial data and now by challenging the right of the EPL to make demands of an EFL club. Perhaps they should just be denied the right of entry into the EPL if they don't want to play by their rules.
Big balls .Will the Premier have the balls to really go after man city and relegate them
Wouldn’t call it virtue signaling as they aren’t placing virtues on anyone else
Why don’t they ever question Richard Masters and his capability to run the premier league
Richard masters didn't cook leicester's books, nor did he spend too much of Evertons or Nottinghams money. They all did this themselves.
@@bluedoughnut1334he’s been useless. Man city charged years ago but nothing yet...
@@Daftdrunkk Masters is hired by Premier League Clubs
Premier League could refuse to let them into the league.
So Everton and Forest get a 6 and 4pt penalty but Leicester get blocked from the league altogether for the same FFP penalty? Seems fair...
Ffp are ripping football apart stop in football owners from spending money we don't need rules
@stuarthillier2156 you are right they're rip in football apart owner should be able to spend what he wants Andrew
@@stuarthillier2156 lol they gotta get there first. And they not winning the league.
@@Darwinion that wasn't my point. If Leicester have broken the FFP rules, then the punishment is a points deduction, similar to the 4-6pts of Forest/Everton. Refusing entry to the Premier League as the original comment stated, is ridiculous.
Sorry Simon (I know you don't read these, or would care less anyway, but it's cathartic for me), but to say that "teams didn't care until there was a points deduction" is one of the most obvious 'duh' statements you've ever made. Of course a points deduction raises concerns, but the major issue teams have (besides being docked points) is the randomness associated with the punishments because the PL had no plan in place. The PL wanted 12 points docked from Everton, and ended up with 10 - dropped to 6 upon appeal. I think the PL wanted Nottingham Forest to be hit with 8 (?), but end up with 4, and that was from being all nice and cooperative (trying a different approach where Everton tried to post a defense). Then you have the administrator for the Forrest case state he had no idea where the administration for Everton's case came up with 3 of those points. It's ad hoc and inconsistent, and obviously politically driven; trying to demonstrate that the PL has their house in order after largely being asleep at the wheel, with their only raison d'etre to land big TV contracts and empower the PL brand.
Well said Simon
I’ve just followed through 😢
Don't allow them back into the Premier League simple.
Isn't this what all rich people do! Use lawyers to find a loop hole, it doesn't matter about guilt if you can buy your way out
yep and thats a massive problem. money shouldnt get you out of jail so to speak.
Doesn't Leicester's financial FFP time period mentioned run to June 2024 and the EFL put on a sanction even before the period in question had elapsed Leicester were right to say it was premature and oppressive.
Leicester should be deducted at least 12 points
Simon would have done this if it happened to palace under him
Because the judge would do the same, he should rule in support leciester regardless of if they broke the law or not?
Didnt leicester pretty much get relegated because they were trying not to spend money on players??@@yemi9196
It’s hard to understand if the rules are correct when a team like Leicester sells their top players to at least try to balance the books and still apparently break the rules. If they did then perhaps the loss limits are too restrictive?
Christ, Jordan likes the sound of his own voice doesn't he.
Its kind of his job.
Literally what he’s paid for 😂😂😂
Hard to be on the radio if you can’t use your voice pal.
i mean i guess he could have a dance about for the people on youtube but thats not very good for radio so listening to his voice will have to be good enough for you pal.
FFP is a load of out dated ideas. Its to keep the big big bigger than the rest, its that simple any club with ambition has no chance. If you want to make it fair down the line each club each year as a same maximum to spend
The rest of continental Europe must look at English football, and like those German hotel guests in that famous Fawlty Towers episode think: how on earth did they become the best league in the world. Must be through sheer dumb luck. Because it’s not through design. The English football authorities are a joke.
Western societies have been so successful at least in part because we enforce rules and expect people to be held accountable and the principle remains true here. I'm a Leicester fan, but rules are rules unfortunately :(
Jim White should just shut up and let the point be made
Graham is a man of few words.
Simon Goes on about how city must do this publicly, prove their innocence in the open, allow media in the court room. Leicester say they want all this and he calls them out for virtue signaling! What do you want pal 😂
He contradicts himself all the time
@@tevildo45He's a hypocrite.
Clubs outside the big teams should not complain, only you will be docked. This is what you voted for. Got tricked by the big teams into thinking you voted to get rid of City.
More delusional bs from city fans. If you think it's a trick then you're definitely one of the cheats.
So that is you take on this? City wasn't relevant before and that didn't stop them but since you are a city fan you think this is just about you. Why are you triggered if your club isn't doing anything wrong?
@binouhtek8461 but City is relevant to FFP and City's case is the landmark case in FFP. I am triggered, ive seen how it stops growth. Im asking how does it helps teams get better? FFP doesn't make sense outside of City.
An excellent question Simon for once, the Premier league will regulate itself out of its place at the top table ( I think that's what eluded to when he asked what the purpose is )
@terryjames9535 that's exactly what will happen. They're going to turn the league into Seria A. All history, no present.
Simon Jordan the typical flip flop..... because Leicester City have FFP issues according to Jordan ...The PL should now be careful of ruining the golden goose ....where was this outlook when other clubs were under the FFP spotlight??
The "outlook" at the time was that FFP was met with a financial penalty which clubs could afford to pay. Now it's a points deduction which is a whole different ball game requiring a different outlook. Oh, and "Leicester City have FFP issues according to Jordan" is a stupid observation by you. Why? Because both the EFL and PL have judged them to have done so, now that LFC have finally handed over the 'books'. They're now just looking to avoid jurisdiction - again.
yeah was thinking the same. im at a point where i just say clubs needs to be ran profitably and if they arent then you get sanctioned. its pretty simply any other business you can't continue to just post losses every year without the business going under. just because football has a massive culture within this country they someone get away with it as if feelings mean more than actual profits and a business that can run correctly. genuninely so strange since if these "clubs" where in any other form of business and not football they would have been shutdown decades ago. not just talking everton forrest etc im even talking man utd since they usually post losses per year yet its within the "acceptable losses" like what in the actually hell is acceptable losses. lossing money shouldnt be accepted atleast on a yearly basis like football clubs do.
@@xNSHD because the likes of Man United, Liverpool, Arsenal are dominant in this era....they are attempting to use FFP as a tool to ensure they continue to dominant for the foreseeable future....by attempting to prevent investors that have the willingness and ability to compete with the amount of money being spent by the traditional big clubs.... If these rules were in place for example when Liverpool were dominating the English League...Man United and Arsenal would be mid table clubs at best
Simon, You are an honest pundit, hence why a lot of people don't like you as they don't like to hear the truth. However, on this occasion I feel in this scenario there is more to it than meets the eye. And, it's not as clear-cut as you say.
Leicester haven't denied breaking FFP rules, they simply want any punishment to be at the appropriate time, by the appropriate body! How can the EFL put a transfer embargo on them, when the financial year, for which they are part of the EFL, hasn't even finished yet? The PL should have waited until the summer to charge Leicester, if they are promoted, and then apply a points-deduction, not charge them mid-season, which will undoubtable have a negative impact on the promotion efforts. If they don't go up, this seasons account will then be judged by the EFL and they can then apply a punishment if their rules have been broken. It's not rocket-science. I think Leicester will win this, as both the EFL & PL are acting out of their jurisdiction at the current time. Come the end of the season, one will and should then be able to act legally against the club.
They hid there books from both boards the efl and epl you have a deadline when ending the league and when entering a new league .to hand over your books to show your running your club in the right way . Your club got caught out hiding there books saying it was not relevant to both party’s to see there books your clubs a shambles 😂😂😂 points deduction transfer embargo’s also fines are what happens when you don’t run clubs the right way silly fan with silly thoughts 😂😂😂
I’m a Leicester fan and whilst I think the Premier league rules are a mess, we’re still clearly in the wrong. The management of the club has been a joke in the last few years and as usual it’s the fans that suffer.
Very dishonest and deceitful what Leicester have done. Late documents in this case should be a clear points deduction. If they agreed to the old rules and failed them, surely it’s black and white, they failed to adhere and gets a points deduction. But it should be now, not when they get promoted. Why should they be allowed to get promoted now when they cheated last year and have been able to keep their better players to back up
If you break the rules (commit a "crime") and found guilty it doesn't matter where you are surely( premier, or championship)if found guilty
Simon is the best
"Virtue signalling" from the fella who spent literal days arguing over the virtues of a flag on a t shirt
Ye he was pretending to be upset about it
PSR is wrongly named because it is more about fairness than sustainability. FFP is a much more accurate name. No one should want the richest owner to be able to spend unlimited amounts of money without constraints to win everything in a canter and in the process put everyone else out of business. Sport should be a contest.
I agree. Now let’s watch Man City win their 4th straight PL after winning a treble last year...
@@Daftdrunkk Lets hope they get their just deserts when those 115 charges are finally dealt with. I'm hoping that apart from a demotion that one of the other punishments will be that the owners are barred from owning an English football club for having failed the fit and proper person's test on the basis of falsifying accounts to deceive and gain an unsporting advantage, as well as not cooperating with an official investigation. That would force a then lower division club to be sold in a fire sale like Abramovich had to do with Chelsea.
They have been cheating all season with money that they shouldn't have spent giving them an unfair advantage deduct pionts now and make them stay in champ
Going after all the big boys. 😅 take that Everton and Leicester. Meanwhile the saudis are running amok still waiting on the man city penalty also. It really is a joke.
FA clearly need to start getting tough when it comes to enforcing rules. This is getting ridiculous. Man City's case might be wrapped up in the 2030's, we have a situation this season where 2 teams don't know if they'll get relegated or not due to points appeals, and now this Leicester nonsense? What the actual fook is going on there? I thought pushing pencils was supposed to be the one thing they were good at.
We literally won the league not long ago yet look at how we are being treated. This is utterly disgusting and shameful behaviour from the Premier League and every single other club should stand up and demand that Leicester be let off all charges, for the good of football. If we have any integrity left in the sport Leicester won't be charged for anything and a full apology will be issued to the club. Sickening and just shows how woefully we are treated as a club, it's the same year after year. Up the Foxes.
Quite the opposite. Leicester used to have the support of neutrals because they achieved the title without cheating. Now the owners and management are clearly cheats and have lost support from everyone. Shameful behaviour that deserves to be punished. You forget about how Clubs that haven't cheated have been negatively impacted by Everton, Notts Forest and Leicester. Of course the rules are rubbish, but they are the rules - if you break them then you get punished. Leicester have been brilliant this season, but they will be tarnished for ever because of this.
Not only have no rules been broken, Leicester have actually been proven to have followed everything fully within the rules and they've been helping the Premier League to write the rules as they've been so well behaved. But even if we DID break the rules (it's well known we didn't) then it shouldn't matter because Leicester won the league only a few years ago. This is how we treat Premier League winners? Utterly sick and the game has gone. @@1962gms
Why dont the law makers want the public to see what goes on, anything behind close doors seems wrong, lets see what Leicester have done, and let see how the law makers behave in public.
What a load of bs they played the premier league and the efl and now it’s bitten them can’t wait for them to get chucked the book at
Leicester are the ones that have been accused of hiding behind close doors because they aren't publishing their financial records.
The "law makers" as you call them are in fact the 20 clubs currently in the PL! It is the clubs themselves who set the rules by which the PL governing body judge matters such as FFP. So Leicester were part of the PL club at the time these rules were agreed upon! 'Hoisted by their own petard' comes to mind.
we have seen what they have done their finanical statements are out and its clear they breached FFP. all this is about what league they failed to meet FFP in. doesnt matter which one it ends up being if its prem next year they failed to meet FFP and if its the EFL next year they failed on that aswell.
My point the liverpool chairman sat on the Everton case,it should be independent,@@stainesfc647
Jim white dosent listen to other arguments. He is so bad
It's disgusting the advantage they got away with, being relegated.
So because they broke the rules but still failed that’s ok ? 😂
Dirty club thinking rules don’t apply to them and it’s caught up to them and fans trying to justify there clubs actions you should be fuming with your club
Completely irrelevant
@@MrAckers75the foxes are a shambles
That Simon Jordan ruined palace and here he is talking as if he's the expert. A hooray Henry more like.👎
Forest, Everton and Leicester all finished above Leeds and Southampton last season. There needs to be harsh sanctions because the financial cost to the teams they cheated was huge
Leeds cheated in the O’Leary days they couldn’t talk
@@Sutty0151 1. They didn't cheat. They overspent and went into administration. They didn't break the rules. 2. They paid for those mistakes with 16 years outside the PL and years in L1 with points deductions for going into admin. 3. Thats irrelevant to this circumstance. By leeds being out of the PL they missed out on the boom that city and Chelsea got. Remember Leeds were above them at that time
Simon Jordan thought liz truss policy's were good 😂😂😂😂 yet is portrayed as financial expert
What rules don't apply to the Cartel clubs.
Seems none of these clubs can accept accountability for what they do
What’s virtue signalling
Acts of goodwill to look good in front of people
"We're not a Premier League club so we don't need to." Alright. Stay a non-Premier League club, then.
TOO PARTYYYYY!!!!
Technically the premier league could refuse their membership application or if they dont get promoted the EFL could.
On what grounds
Iam a forest fan we don't need rules in football ffp are stopping football owners spending money soon as the government runs football the better
100% funny how these rules Weren’t in play when certain clubs were dominating
Love Jordan Me 😂😂😂
Iav don't thing football players should get paid it not work
Can of worms how many more teams 🤔lots all protecting the top six
All 20 clubs had a say on what the rules are. They had a vote to bring them in. Only chelsea and city voted against. Every league in europe has brought in their own version of ffp. Including the efl. It is not about protecting the big 6. It is about protecting clubs from idiot owners.
Everton have been shafted
They've got off. Cheating ,bitter, victims!
@@steve-kl9iv LFC always the victims
@@franki7 we have a valid case. Everton cheat and say it's not their fault. 😂
I sometimes hear, that the EFL is the greatest league in the world 😂 This is an embarrassment to English football. Everybody is laughing ,throughout the world, and it's a complete and utter mess.
Are serie a laughing having docked juve? La liga after barca bribing refs? Ligue 1 letting psg make a mockery of their league? The prem is finally getting it's house in order. If you don't want to be punished don't break the rules, simple.
You really think so. The EPL getting their house in order. You need to take off those Rose tinted glasses.
Dirty club should be made an example off every one sticks to the rules and they play there own game
were leicester city we'll do what we want lol
Funny how man city and chelsea still get away with it
They have the golden ticket.
City have denied all charges , hence why it is taking all this time ffs
Simple? Take them out of the Premier League and EFL! National League North at best for them?
Simon & Souness Top LADS Proper Clobbers 🙌
break the rules get caught moan about it 😂
Forrest , Everton and Leicester .. makes me sick Get us back in the Premier League
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At least we at Forest got our ducks in a row immediately. Everton and Leicester seem as though they are trying their best to conceal certain things
Hypocrite Simon
It amazes me that leicster can win the championship by cheating, reap the benefits of promotion and continue like nothing happened.
How does FFP actually help the league? Loool. Just to spite Man City.
It stops bad owners getting clubs into debt. It's easy to understand if you have a brain.
You have no idea what you're talking about..just crying cause clubs can't cheat their way to trophies.
@Surveillance-Ys you didn't explain how it helps clubs outside the big six. United got found guilty.. no points docked, and they will comparably never be able to invest any decent money into their clubs.
@@rakimrobinsonMCFC it stops them going bankrupt. Before FFP, 60% of clubs in Europe , including the UK, were in deep financial trouble. Now, very few are in financial trouble. Leeds almost went bust because their owner spent too much money trying to win the champions league
@steve-kl9iv could you give an EPL top flight example? FFP rules don't govern the entire pyramid. It's for the League. Ok, clubs fail the lower down you go. Is there no examples at the level it's actually implemented at? IT came in the same year of that report 2009.. The only club charged from the year it came in 2009. CITY.
Finally catching up with the crafty foxes after years of rule bending and dodgy practices..... about time
Lies
Just remove private ownership. Then all ur problems go away. The premier league is already so lucrative. If they were fan owned wouldnt more money trickle down to help lower leagues because they are predominately football clubs again and not privately owned. Just remove private ownership
How would premier league clubs being fan owned help money trickle down the pyramid?
@@Elladis366 Because they wouldn't be operated with the aim for profit. U have football people running the club. Football people who are willing to promote football. Football teams already earn 300m plus. They are more willing to contribute more money towards the pyramid.
simon's right. enough whining. accept your wrongdoing and stop bitching! they aren't victims!!
Funny how everyone is being charged and ducked points but it's somehow complicated when it comes to Man city
Another completely ignorant comment regarding FFP, City, NF and Everton that is no doubt the consequence of tribalism, purposeful ignorance or just laziness of not wanting to actually read up on the topic to understand it.
Messi fan IQ
@MCFCTheMadHatter We’ve got irrefutable evidence, we’ve got irrefutable evidence, we are very surprised blaa blaa, Let us just hire an army of lawyers and PR Shills and we’ll get back to you in 5 years
Hoping Leeds and Southampton go for Leicester, Notts Forrest and Everton and sue them all for loss of profits from being relegated from the Prem as they were the only two teams relegated who didn’t break the FFP rules.
If Southampton didn’t sign a whole loaf of inexperienced kids they might have survived
‘Nottingham’ Forest would’ve stayed up last season even with a 4 point deduction 👍🏻
why would notts and everton(who also broke the rules) sue? lol
Less of white and more of Jordan.....his interruptions are irritating to say the least🙄😤
The only team gaining a sporting advantage are man city
This is just overpaid people trying to justify their paychecks.
Nobody is trying to justify their pay 😂.
5 points this season. ALAW MOT 🤍💙💛