Andrew Tate is Gone
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It's honestly insane how one singular man changed thousands of children's attitudes and overall opinion towards women. I totally agree with more creators coming out on platforms just like Andrew Tate, it's bound to happen as a result of the fame/money he gained.
It's honestly scary how quickly it occured, and how many young men it impacted. It makes you wonder.
@@onyxsmith848 I’ve seen his face everywhere but I’ve not watched his vids or seen anyone talking like him online or in person lol isn’t he just a meme?
It was like everyone being surprised Trump got elected. I don't agree with Tate and his views but it's hardly surprising when you push one extreme eventually other extremes boil up and people hide their true beliefs until it's socially acceptable because they don't want to be cancelled. People just don't debate and discuss opinions anymore and it leads to stuff like this from both extremes.
It probably blew up so fast, because no one has praised masculinity like that before. In the past few years people have only talked about feminism and women overall. And now when a guy came and talked about men, it blew up totally
somehow revitalized the misogyny of the 1900s in the 2020s
“Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” -Mark Twain
Could put that to snowflake people like ludwig tbh
@@AintChillGuy ohh who's an edgy boy, who's an edgy boy, you are, oh you're so edgy 🥺
@@AintChillGuy did he hurt your feelings by slandering your internet daddy? poor you.
@@sukatidi bruh I'm crying , 2 reasons that you think it's funny and also that you took your time writing that
@@furyjaguar8034 the same shit ain't chill guy defended tate you guys just defended Ludwig I'm so dead . Andrew tate fan boys and haters are of the same family I swear
The more I hear Lud actually talk about issues the more I respect him.
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Really? Now I don't watch him and please correct me if I'm wrong but he just seems to say what's safe and politically correct.
@@annoyingcat5328 that’s been my general impression, but I trust that he’s being genuine
@@henrytims4745 so you believe that he believes everything he says?
@@annoyingcat5328 yes, i also think that what's "politically correct" can also just be correct in general.
I don't think the point of arguing with people like Tate is to convince him any more than the point of a political debate is to convince your opponent. As you said, it's not a conversation between two people because there is an audience, and it is those people you are trying to get to by engaging with people like Tate. His only purpose in the debate is to draw his followers to you, so that you can present your arguments to them, because if he's not there then neither are they.
how tf is his purpose to get people? he is saying most anti society looking things. to get fans they have to rly carefully listen so they can understand. most of the people are just like ludwig. cant even get a argument just look at this because words he says are looking bad. dont care if this make sense. dont try to understand live in delusion. level of ignorance to blindly listen to youtuber instead of 350 milion net worth without listening and trying to make opinion just landed on the moon
The point is to show and understand both sides regardless if you disagree. But most people seeing this as an us vs them squabble is the problem. They strip it of any nuance or layers to it with out of context clips and quotes and then throw the whole thing away because really they already decided what they thought from what other people told them to think. I dont agree with either but its clear Tate has alot more valuable things to say than a guy who talks at a camera all day with copied opinions heard by everyone.
Andrew Tates good I like him
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To add to your hyrda analogy earlier. I can say with confidence that only one head was cut off but literal hundreds of heads have already grown at this point. Tate had already set his whole plan into motion of having countless followers make fan accounts that spread his bs on all platforms thus people will still continue to be coaxed into his website. So unless these social media platforms do something nuclear, then nothing has really changed at all.
I agree with you and don't think it's enough, but I think it's at least a good start since it slows down how much new content he puts out there. I've heard he has most of his influence is on KZhead and TikTok though... hopefully they do something about him too
It's not Bs. The state of the west is disturbing now. U men are allowing the females ruin ur lives. They can literally hurt u without any consequences.
What color is your Bugatti
Sit down beta youve done nothing age of real men is coming once more no more soft low testostorone betas thinking theyre feminine posee talk matter
I hope there are more people like Tate, hopefully a little better as all upgrades should be. However, these successors should maintain the essence of what their predecessor was talking about.
As a 15 year old, all I can think of when I see Andrew is, "who the f$%k gave $5 Pit-Bull access to the internet?"
"$5 Pit-Bull" is one of the best insults against him I've ever heard.
Never saw a 15 yr old craving so hard to sound validated
@@harshshinde176 POV: Trying to get your Tate bf to notice you
May I use this insult?
@@harshshinde176 hold this L you bozo
The "third person" argument is very poignant and it's good that you have stated it. The movie "thank you for smoking" has a scene where the main character, a lobbyist for big tobacco, is teaching his son this very point. He does this by having his son discuss with him which ice cream flavor is best and makes a grandstanding argument about freedom of choice. The son remarks that he hasn't actually touched his argument to which the main character states that he's not after him but after "them" as he waves to the empty space where an audience would be seated. The debate podcasts and talking content creators also play into it by having him on. I'm sure they are well aware of their own position so I won't call it foolish, but I'll definitely call it a mistake. Everyone involved knows that there's no actual discussion taking place. Maybe the hosts are at least giving off the impression, but for a discussion you need people who talk. Andrew Tate is not there to talk, he's there to win. He never apologizes, never admits wrong because that's a sign of weakness to him and signals to his targeted demographic that he might just be wrong. Instead everything gets deflected with humor (he's really not that funny at all but whatever) which makes him seem like the more "chill" and "confident" guy to the people he wants to reach, because his demogrpahic is very lost young men that have difficulties with social hierarchy and need a strong figure to hold on to. And while he is not in the slightest bit funny, Andrew Tate is definitely very charismatic. I hadn't heard of this guy and suddenly he was everywhere. The talking content creators are not responsible for his views, which are deplorable and deeply venomous. But they allowed him to share their podium. He wasn't ever going to be reached by anything they said, and he reached people through them that then latch on to him. He played his game to perfection and the people who had him on have allowed him to do so. This is what happens when you play instead of talk. The only winning move in this game is to not allow him to play it. The talking content creators should definitely look at themselves and the position they hold in their sphere of influence. They have tolerated intolerance and allowed it to proliferate because they either arrogantly believed they could stop it, or they callously believed themselves to be devoid of responsibility. I don't think they were naive enough to think they actually could talk. Either way it's a really bad look for them.
Andrew Tate blew up because he is the perfect embodiment of what these algorithms are created to promote. Anger was used to keep users on the platforms and we are supposed to be shocked when an offensive character starts to appear everywhere.
u should watch some of his real content, he is all jokes and fun there nothing negative or angry, hes a troll, same as trump, dumbasses dont like trolls
I find all those woke girls on twitter who says #hateallmen or #hatemen just as offensive and I think they deserved to be banned too for that logic.
He blew up for a reason. Dudes got tired of “what are men needed for” from feminists. People gravitated to him for a reason. And no one seems to care about the why of it all. Why are so many men (and some women) gravitated to what he says? the memes or the “number on the forehead” stuff is good for laughs but there’s more. The “woke mob” reacted to the content. When they should have been paying attention to the context.
Bigger problem are these social media platforms.
@@adamapa992 the dudes who listen to him have never even met a feminist in their life. And most of the people who say things like "what are men needed for" are simply misandrists, not feminist. Becoming an incel is not an appropriate response to whatever "feminist" straw men they might have in mind.
Adin Ross is also such a little clout gremlin for all of this, he genuinely holds some level of responsibility for Tate being catapulted into the spotlight for the past few weeks and I hope he isn't able to escape accountability for repeatedly platforming all of these ideas.
Honestly if you look away from some of the sexist things, a lot of the things the guy says are facts
@@Rusty01 what color is your bougati?!
@@Rusty01 there are plenty of people who "speak facts" without being sexist. i think social media will be fine without him.
@@Rusty01 just because he brings out other facts doesn’t justify what he says about gender thing or anything for that matter.
@@Rusty01 That's something someone in a cult would say lmao.
I think it's interesting that if someone broke copyright terms of service by uploading episodes of a tv show to social media everyone would universally respond with "They deserved it, what did they expect?" yet if someone were to break the same terms of service by promoting open, explicit, irrefutable misogyny then some of those very same people respond with "I don't think it's right to remove him." I think it speaks to how warped perspective has become after being online for such a long time, to where we view the respect of the few mega-corporation overlords as higher than that of half the population on earth. Promoting violent ideals on the basis of uncontrolled characteristics is just a part of the 'marketplace of ideas' but you dare mishandle even a portion of Walt Disney's intellectual property then it's been nice knowing you. The only way we can readdress what to me is a very clear lack of balance is by changing our mindsets through empathy, respect and curiosity to where we value each other at bare minimum the same level at that which we've been taught, forced and reprogrammed to value the ruling corporate overlords. I'd even be optimistic and say our value for other people as a population majority could even, someday surpass that of corporations. But, we still have a long way to go to get anywhere close to that reality, sadly.
As a woman who grew up in a violent household as my mom was abused physically and verbally by my father I am very happy that tate got banned.This kind of people don't have any idea how domestic abuse affects young children. I suffer from severe depression/anxiety as of result of what i used to endure at home in childhood.
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Just move on you don’t need to replay the past. You cause your anxiety and depression by thinking about it. Forget it and move on and learn from it. Billions of people have been through horrific situations and some are going through it right now. Pain is apart of life just don’t feel sorry for yourself and keeping pushing. It’s that simple. Don’t lay down when you get knocked get back up and fight.
@@happysmurfrenio4867 I think the entire point is that she does not want to repeat her past with other children in the first place, hence why she's against Tate
Bro tate grew up in a household where his mother was beat severely by his father and your going to say he has no idea. He probably has a better understanding than you
Yea except it was my mom being abusive.
So glad to see a mention of the Rohingya, even if it's small. I just wrote my thesis on this and knowing how bad it still is, along with the history behind it, it's just so infuriating to see how little coverage there still is. And even when it is mentioned, so little is ever covered. I know you normally do Mogul Mail about issue with creators and social media, but a video on the Rohingya crisis would be very cool to see, something that has more comprehensive information but with a platform behind it. I really want to make a video on it, but as someone who has never actually uploaded a KZhead video, I know that the traction behind it would be small, unless I wanted to try and get Hasan to watch it on stream or something. I doubt you'll see this comment with how many you are, but if you are interested in making a video on the Rohingya and want information from someone who has already spent a year of their life combing through academic papers and doing the heavy lifting, I would be ecstatic to help provide the research for it. It's an issue that has become very important to me since having to write my thesis, especially after having to look at interviews with survivors and look at all of the legal justifications used for it, so seeing it get more traction would be awesome
Go for the video!! Even if it's a small traction, at least there will be something for those who are interested in it.
this is the first time i’ve heard of Rohingya. it would be great if you make a video, regardless of how much traction it gets
What color is your Bugatti
What color is your Bugatti
@@cool358 The same as yours.
Am I the only one that loved his perfectly cut scream and his "really" face 😂 3:15
What color is your Bugatti
@@cool358 Let me show you, ill post a picture of it to twitter and insta...oh wait
@@cool358 what color is your bed sheet?
@@cool358 Ferrari better
Yes u are bro
I love Ludwig’s analysis of public media discourse/discussion vs real discourse/discussion one-on-one. Finally, someone put it into words!
People think that deplatforming is something people only ever suggest as a means of combatting misinfo or disinfo, but that's not true. Deplatforming isn't for combatting disinfo --- it's for combatting abuse. Abuse need not be personal, it can be parasocial. It can also be done via proxy, like, say, through convincing an audience to abuse people for you. This is Andfew Tate's sin --- he abuses women through the proxy of his audience and more directly through the screen. And abuse, even verbal and psychological abuse, can have an incredibly detrimental effect on people's health.
Inb4 someone says "just get a thicker skin it's the internet lol" The problem is that most people don't have a thick skin. Are we going to ban any of them from the internet? As some of the darker, less moderated corners of the internet demonstrate, that's effectively what you do when you allow abuse to go unchecked. There is no sphere in which speech is truly free, because social pressure and fear of social retribution will always exist as long as we are a social species. (Oh and also Tate is simply a grifter who trafficked minors so that alone is a reason to revoke his internet access completely, since it's a tool he's used to commit literal, actual, honest to god atrocious felonies.)
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Yeah and who decides what is abuse? The people at the top? Where do we draw the lines on this?
@@plantheattack9 Depends on the case
To be honest if I were a 14 year old, I probably would have ate up almost all of what he says. I used to have a couple incel tendencies back then but tough times managed to fix me up. Had I been watching Tate before those times, I’m not sure I’d have come out of it with a more happy carefree outlook on life. I’d still be caring about random shit that isn’t important in life and having takes where you always have to justify them by using devils advocate.
I'm glad you got past that. Wish you the best.
Honestly i'm glad, hope i can try it too.
good thing i'm not (that much) of an idiot
Im younger and only agreed with the vape things but thats it
How can you have incel tendencies when you are 14
It's quite sad how the "sigma male grindset" turned from a sarcastic meme into people unironically agreeing with Andrew Tate
That’s how it happens all the time though. Starts as a funny meme then slowly it starts changing peoples minds. It’s like a virus.
Wake up he's right
@@reen6904 0:40 he literally said that you're also responsible if you get r*ped??? Tf is he right about He might be right about getting money without education and may bring in his scams, but a person saying this, no matter how rich they are or how poor the are, ultimately looses respect of the society.
@Qurandale Spingle he's rasing the new generation of mans alone, most kids today don't have a good father figure, he's doing good
"Those who are dependent on the matrix will fight to defend it."
Unlike most teenage boys I’m actually very happy about this ban. Also awesome video, super agree with what you said in this video.
Agreed
You can’t just go banning people you don’t agree with you’re not going to change their views
@@86kickass I mean he did break a few TOS rules
@@justadam6309 That’s what I’ve been telling the Tater Tots this whole time, lmao. It’s not just that they disagree with what he says, he’s broken several terms of service. You could even consider his whole “post clips of me with an affiliate link” scheme as spam. He broke the rules several times, which for most platforms, results in a ban.
@@Dovahkiin106 it's also a pyramid scheme
The reason that companies like Meta cannot simply remove Tate from the algorithm (apart from being yet another bandaid fix) is that Tate has received such an onerous amount of media attention recently. They aren't removing him because they are trying to improve the product. They are removing him because the PR department has determined that it is in their best interest to take a public action on the matter.
Ludwig, I do just want to say that I’m loving your Mogul Mails and wanted to also comment that you are doing way better at talking to the camera and you aren’t anywhere near as awkward as you were hahaha
Yo Fam I’m a small content creator, and I make a variety of entertaining reactions, vlogs, and a range Of other content and I’m still working on quality but I guarantee you will find something you will enjoy🙏🏾‼
@@ItzMalick lol sad. Most of us create stuff. Only some of us beg for attention.
i think andrew tate is wrong in most ways but sexism, but guys are stronger than women and have the idea to protect their family and girls are the lovers of the family to help the children live a normal life
@@GladiatorSlows what’s sad is this is basically the same thing as replying to spam. Man is making something of himself.. stay in yo lane buster
@@mikeholmes7021 personally, i disagree with the idea that “guys are protectors”. However, that idea and equality can coexist. You can believe in that idea and not be sexist, because i believe that your idea of sexism is wrong. Sexism is when one gender is discriminated against or treated harsher than a different gender. Your idea simply states that “physiologically men are stronger than women, and take on a more protective role.” That is not sexist. I would argue that, with that viewpoint, women would fall into a caretaker role (once again, i disagree with your viewpoint, but that is not the point of my comment.) If men and women have their protector-caretaker roles, than everything falls into place. One is not more valuable than the other, and the idea is harmony. Therefore, since in that idea both genders are equal and have equally important roles, its not sexist. However, if you think a protector is more important than a caretaker, or vice versa, that is sexist. In that idea, they are equally as important because caretakers care (nurture) for the family and the protectors, while the protectors also care (protection) for the caretakers and the family. If you believe a protector (man) is more important in his role than a caretaker (woman) you are sexist in that regard. That is the stance that most people with your viewpoint take, so they are labeled as sexist, making the association with your viewpoint “a sexist viewpoint”. I disagree with your viewpoint, because modern life doesn’t agree with such a primal viewpoint. There are single mothers, fathers, parents, orphans, gay people, and a whole bunch of stuff that doesn’t fit into that old-timey view. However, you can believe what ever you like. tldr: woman caretaker, men protector idealogy isnt sexist on its own so long as both roles are considered equally as important.
i peaked over at my cousin (he’s 12, 7th grader) on his phone, and saw him on tik tok. 3 in a row were andrew taint edits. i had a very serious and lengthy talk with him about what he was consuming. it ended in tears and him unfollowing all the accounts, including taint. i asked him simple questions like “would you want your mom to have a man talking to her like that?” and “why do you feel like what he’s saying is okay?”. he had no real answers that aligned with taint and the likes of him. he’s a child, a little boy, who was simply following what was being fed to him. it’s scary. young and impressionable kids are following what these “red pilled” idiots are saying because it’s presented in a way that it’s correct, that everything they’re saying is fact. i know my little cousin is a good kid, he loves playing with his toddler brother and spends hours sitting with my grandma helping her eat and reminding her he’s her great grandson with a patience and understanding beyond his years. it’s so so scary and sad.
You would probably have him watch pedophile transvestite story telling for bed time wouldn't you.
>Lie detected< You are full of it.
Great job for educating him!
Yo Fam I’m a small content creator, and I make a variety of entertaining reactions, vlogs, and a range Of other content and I’m still working on quality but I guarantee you will find something you will enjoy🙏🏾‼
@@DeviantDespot More like >Inconvenient perspective for my views detected< If one has to assume other perspectives are lies for one's beliefs to stay unchallenged then it's more akin to blind faith.
Couldn't of said it any better Lud. Misinformation is a terrifying thing.
Especially terrifying when only one side of the misinformation is getting the hate…Andrew Tate deserved it but so do all the female influencers doing the same thing to men
Misinformation only ever gets called out on one side. If Donald Trump accidentally misspeaks once in a 3 hour press conference, the NYT, Washington Post, Vox, Huffington Post, and CNN will get the lie trackers going. But Joe Biden, Fauci, Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Pelosi can lie and smear all they want with absolute impunity.
@@giovannireyes1572 like Hollywood actresses.....they make me puke my guts out
How is being sexist misinformation it’s facts
@@giovannireyes1572 I agree, but let’s just be happy that action was taken. It’d be nice if they actually enforced their own rules properly, but it’s better than nothing being done at all.
i'm 13 an half of the boys in my class follow tate. i hate him and now i'm doing campaigns in school to make other people hate him as well
Gay behaviour
You will have to start a campaign to find your father
nice
@@kiran-thetributechannel That’s the most original joke I’ve heard in all my years.
@@elspongebobhh gay isnt an insult
shit! I was very supprised to see people actually criticizing the ban. He's been openly misogynistic for years it just goes against the terms and conditions of the platforms hes using. Obviously theres inconsistency in the implementation but saying they are wrong for implementing is weird. Also totally agree with debate point. tate is not going change his business model that earns him millions because a youtuber told him to.
its just so insane to see people go "hm yeah he was very mysogynistic for years but also just talk to him?" like thats gonna help lol His entire career is built on being a piece of shit, we arent going to change that, talking to him does absolutely nothing
And yet you criticize china when people like jack ma suddenly disappears for criticizing the ccp lol. Banning was never the quick and first solution.
Because people believe in speech being free from censorship. Shocker I know
@@AnDr3w066 Tate is still allowed to say whatever he wants to say, he just isnt allowed to do it on the platforms of certain private companies who's terms and conditions he violated. None of yall were complaining about women getting banned off insta for posting their bare chest, nor complaining about femaIe twitch streamers who got banned for showing too much skin without even being nude. In fact, the same people crying about tate being banned were previously calling for amoranth and streamers like her to be banned. So censorship is ok when its against women who do things that make yall mad, but not ok for men who actively say horrible and harmful things about women? The hypocrisy says it all Also a private company is a private company, if you go into walmart and start yelling and going on tangents, then walmart can kick you out of their store and no one would cry it was censorship. This is no different. Freedom of speech means you can express yourself without legal or consequences or fear of physical retaliation. Tate can say whatever he wants, but he is not entitled to say it on anyone's platform. If he wants to spread his ideas he can always make his own website like Alex Jones did
It's legal therefore it's good. How fcking brainless do you have to be. We know what is legal, the argument is about what is right and you think that it's good for people to be silenced if they express a view you dislike. Don't give me this dangerous ideas bs unless you've got some good evidnece.
a debate was never about convincing the other party, its always been about getting the viewers on their side. This was always the case before the internet.
Literally so true I fucking hate tate but god I am also starting to hate Ludwig now because he is literally just like tate even Hassan
Debate is just teaching people to lie convincingly, have you ever seen lawyers or politicians practicing debate? They will often take turns arguing both sides of the argument.
Well said 👍
They're the same thing
@@prawny12009 How will you learn someones ideology,belief without debate?
Smart, eloquent, informed, honest and thoughtful. Even relevant for people not from the US, like me. I truly think you’re the best creator on this platform and will probably grow beyond it someday. Awesome. I don’t really follow any KZheadrs, always thought I’m a bit too old for that, but you’re definitely an exception. Keep it up.
this was incredibly based, he’s def been asking his friends, thinking, and learning a lot about these nuanced issues. Going beyond just the first thing that pops into his mind and reframing the conversation into issues that matter
tate didn't take any different point of view from others seriously and he would geniunely spend his time making fun of what the opposing side said so he Def didn't show real *sportsmanship* when it comes to podcasts or arguments. that doesn't mean he wasn't improving it just means he wasn't showing any of that WHEN HE WAS TALKING with other people. all you would see or hear form him whilst with others is his best efforts to make himself right and others just wrong never trying to actually hear them out
Lud, this sphere is one where I feel safe. You frequently prove the “comedy caters to snowflakes” crowd wrong while being respectful, humble and overall a fucking legend. Thank you.
Big agree
I mean people like him are the snowflakes, they are hating on tate because of his 'controversial' takes but ignore alll the good advices he has for the young kids to improve their lives and work on themselves... But i get it when andrew is advising people to stop consuming people like ludwig 24/7 but work on themselves
@@AintChillGuy did you even watch the video bro, how far from reality do you have to be to believe that
@@ahlgreen2491 oh yea, i should not believe that young people should try to improve themselves and have a better life
@@AintChillGuy "Oh he is a POS but he has some good takes too" is such a silly argument. Every single demagogue in human history has mixed their terrible opinions with statements everyone agrees with to make them seem less extreme. Doesn't make Andrew a good person at all
This is one of my favorite quotes of all time “Never met a wise man if so it’s a woman” -Kurt Cobain
Kurt's quotes are always good🗿
@@PeaceandlovEzzziee facts
Aba and Preach did a perfect video on Andrew Tate it's their most recent one about his ban. They address how toxic he is while consequently addressing why he exists and how banning him from multiple platforms is a useless and futile effort.
Never been more excited to see a title
Deadass
What color is your bougati!
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Ikr finally
I can’t believe ZuckerFUCK banned my alpha ruler truly a terrible moment in our history
The problem of de-monetizing the platform for Tate doesn’t take away what he’s really looking for: Signups for his programs. His private programs can’t be monitored and he can’t be banned for that. So taking away his monetization won’t stop him from promoting those programs and making massive amounts of money from it. That’s his only goal. Banning him helps remove the massive platform of advertising and reposting of new inflammatory content he could make. It doesn’t kill the beast but it surely slows down the evolution.
Well I mean if people wanna prove themselves a bigger loser then him. The perfect way to doit is by blowin their money on him. It aint my money so I dont care
in my country there's a popular saying, in english would very very roughly translate to: everyday a scammer and a fool leave their house, and when they meet, there'll be business. you can't stop people from being stupid to a certain extent (that's why everyone is selling courses on everything. it delivers JACK SH!T but technicaly it's not a piramid scheme)
Demonitising means that your video won't be promoted nearly as much.
Actually I think his program was terminated
@@lavarelease2928 yeah, I’ve heard he claimed that he terminated it himself, but I’m not sure if that’s true.
I think we all sorta get what he's on about but it's nice to have these things put into words occasionally. PS lovely CallToAction/ScratchCut ending brah - I'm literally subscribing rn after weeks of passing you off as atrioc's himbo (apols)
Honestly, Lud has the best, most thought out and sound take I’ve heard yet about this whole ass mess of a man and his blessed deplatforming
Lud said racist jokes too. But let's talk only the good things about him
@@adrielarron6837 But who's did more? yea Andrew Tate
@@RainerOOF who did more the streamer who is nice when the camera is turn on or the millionaire that is getting ban from a site that promotes pornography or nude pictures from a million of women? I don't know probably the second one
@@adrielarron6837 if you dislike Ludwig so much idk why you spend your time watching and commenting on his video, seems a little counterintuitive to me
@@kellycee I dislike that he is jumping into this topic for more cloud, saying what people wanted to hear instead of what they must hear. Sorry if i made you think that way bro
I think people underestimate the potency of deplatforming. Someone will often not get as much out of the publicity of them being deplatformed than what they were getting from the platform in the first place, despite people’s fears of giving them attention. Just look at times where this has happened entirely unintentionally; how much attention did ninja’s mixer deal get? And how much of that actually translated into people watching him on mixer? It’s not a perfect fix, but putting that barrier between a person and the places where people are most active does help.
I don't think it'll actually do anything for Tate, most people probably didn't even know he had an insta/facebook at this point - they see him all over youtube, youtube shorts, people covering his awful takes ect.. he's all over the place cause people are lifting him up due to everything he says I didn't even know he had a facebook/insta for instance - but he's all over my home page on KZhead
Nobody cares bruv 🤡🤡🤡
Is it really that people "underestimate the potency of platforming"? It seems like a bandaid solution to much bigger societal issues and the idea of getting deplatformed for expressing your opinions (regardless of how false or bigoted) is alarming to people. Yes deplatforming Andrew Tate will most likely stamp out his influence but it wont stamp out misogyny. Tate is popular because he expresses views that are appealing to a large group of boys and men. The demand is still there -- the only thing that's gone is the supply. Someone else will come along and fill the void left by Tate -- someone who will be more careful with their messaging as to not get deplatformed so quickly. If people want to get serious about this stuff, we should stop talking about deplatforming and start asking ourselves why so many boys and men are gravitating to someone who thinks women are 2nd class citizens?
@randomguy9777 I skip every short with Andrew Tate, and they still get recommended to me. That’s because you still get recommended popular videos, even if it’s not the normal content you consume.
yup haven't seen Milo Yianopolis in AGES
hey Ludwig. appreciate the video. This feels like a "god some of these kids legit have no idea what's going on, let's try to be level headed and get some sense into them" vibes, which I appreciate. Have a goodnight.
What color is your Bugatti
@@cool358 Bros brainwashed
@@loll3070 literally all he asked for was the colour of his Bugatti
@@loll3070 is the person you replied to doing a meme or someone actually following the guy and saying something he did The original comment was just thanking ludwig for a level headed conversation about this topic
I see its more, Lud signalling his shiny virtue for the world to see. Anyone with a brain already doesn't watch Tate. Anyone that watches Tate, isn't going to care what Ludwig has to say.
The thing about debates is that they're never about convincing your opponent. Debates are a battle for the souls of each partipant's audience, you're hoping to win over their fans, or at least those who aren't ride or die fans.
I feel like luds point on consistency is key but the major corps and social platforms don’t have any which is a big problem
I agree with everything stuff here but I'm pretty sure debates have always been like this. Even during school in debate clubs you are trying to convince the audience and the adjudicators first and foremost and not the opponents. But yeah I think discussions where the parties are genuinely open to be convinced and change their world view is very rare on the internet.
this!! the people debating have to commit to their respective perspectives to convince the audience to agree with them. that sort of conviction is built in
@@abigailr3250 I think the point is that social media turns every conversation into a debate because there's always a 3rd party leaving no room to gain new perspectives. Coffezillas idea of "just talk to him" doesn't work on social media because of that.
You're saying Women who are r*ped should take zero responsibility for it taking place? Would you also say someone that got their car stolen because they left it unlocked with three keys inside has nothing to learn from the experience? We shouldn't teach women how to be safe we should teach men how to treat women is equivalent to saying we shouldn't teach people to lock doors we should teach people not to rob - brainless. Really showcases lud's low level aesthetic analysis rather than a proper moral framework.
All the stuff you learn for debating (debate tactics) is just so you can be more "right" than your opponent. Hardly anyone is trying to convince an audience.
The difference is Andrew has so debate skills and instead uses his “own experience” as well as talking over others to prove his points. His followers are all blind, 13-15 year old boys. Anyone who follows him wonders why women stay away from them but it’s pretty obvious.
Great point at the end talking about Confirmation Bias, definitely feel like it is a rising issue especially when it comes to a social platform online. There isn’t really anything to lose but people will die on a hill that often isn’t even real. Good mogul mail today lud
lud i know you’ve already briefly talked about jidion before but ive been seeing a lot of his new stuff with and talking to people like sneako and tate as well as h3 but regardless hes been showing his personality and its a firm good guy more often than not. genuinely feel like he might be going somewhere and becoming a bigger streamer
As a 13 year old boy I would like to formally apologize for Tate’s fanboys
They are 14 like me, so no need for that
awww as long as you dont believe tate's words, then you dont have to apologize
@@404amai who are you
Welcome back two take Tyler! The ending was Genius!
It was so cool
Why'd you have to go and make things so complicated? I see the way you're acting like you're somebody else. Gets me frustrated. Just admit that you love the videos I make, my dear inv
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Thank god. Kids were legitemately getting influenced by the bullshit he spews.
if they actually believe him despite everyone ranting against him they deserve it lmao
How do you think the world works?
@@twosemestermolester9448 they're kids bruh
@@twosemestermolester9448 boys are extremely impressionable especially when they are teenagers, I think Lud talked about it in the last vid on Tate but the whole reason he has a following is cuz he says something like “most men see themselves as invisible” which does hold some truth, then tells them that he can show them how to get out of that invisibility and become like him. Then he proceeds to spew the sexist bullshit but it doesn’t matter cuz they are already hooked. Unfortunately it doesn’t matter how many people make videos against him
I like to view it as we already would have lost these week minded people who have followed idiots like him to something like drugs and alcohol. There are still plenty of actually intelligent people out there, you just don’t see them because they don’t waste their time listening to Andrew Tait’s bullshit. (But ya kids who don’t know any better that’s pretty fucked up)
this is funny to watch after the final message
Mogul mail is like a news broadcast + ludwigs opinion and viewpoint. While watching I'm usually trying to differentiate between what was journalistic evidence and what's opinion. It helps ludwig often states the difference in the cast, but it requires work from the viewer. All these are naturally sideist but being aware of that the whole time helps as i know my information isn't complete unless I do more research. Still great coverage
Knowing so many kids were supporting Tate is terrifying. The fact someone so nasty had so much influence on young people whose own opinions are being moulded at their age
You are legit blind you can see all these bad influencers… this didn’t do anything but boost TOP G message
What color is your Bugatti?
I'm terrified of younger people buying into his narcissism and misogyny, they're our next generation but going backwards.
@@adegaming3998 can you try this again but try and make sense this time? how is taints teachings actually working out for you btw? notice how people have stopped respecting you at all instead of just tolerating you?
@@TheWalf999 Yes but what color is your Bugatti?
Glad to see you cover this with more depth- I knew something was up when I was on VRChat and a group of younger people were like "HAVE YOU HEARD OF ANDREW TATE!?!?" and when I said no, they flipped out on me. Being a woman in gaming isn't all butterflies and rainbows, and I don't expect it to be by any means, but when you get cussed out for not knowing who this misogynist guy is, something is wrong. Thank you Ludwig for providing a safer sphere for all of us.
It’s impossible to argue with these fuckin degenerates too. “Andre Tate would beat the shit out of you” no shit he’s a pro fighter like what does that even mean?!
I wish I never knew who Andrew tate was
Wow you're on the internet, you were never in danger. And you're literally thanking some KZheadr for making it safe. Cringe
Wtf r u talking about man
Youre playing an online game. Of course there’s going to be immature kids playing. Its not misogyny it’s immaturity. Life isn’t about safe spaces my friend. When you’re in the real world you’ll experience that
being banned means nothing for tate, they literally have a legion of people cross posting their content everywhere. They dont need accounts on tiktok, iG, literally any platform in order to occupy it.
The journalist in Ludwig really came out in this video. The point he made about people moving spheres to agree with their truth is excellent.
Andrew Tate pretending he wasn’t bodied by Hasan is such a treat to see
bodied? hasan just verced of imperial evidence from a quick google search, i guess yea he got bodied from a fucking nerds point of view
I hate hasan but it was so funny
There is a part of me that believes he mentally blocked it out cause he couldn't process the fact he got rolled.
@@robertshin2578 Maybe he's truly not lying when he says he doesnt know who HasanAbi is, maybe he did literally mindwipe from the pure shock
@Daniel Foodist Man Imagine being so insecure and deadbrained to think that aspect has any value in an argument on this matter. If putting some color even black on your nails makes you perish then good- natural selection doing its job on you lmao
I’m loving the mogul mails, I like it when Ludwig turns of the carefully crafted creator persona and really just talks to the camera. Keep up the great work Lud. 👍
Thanks for speaking out about an issue I didn't think many creators were talking about. Great video btw!
Remove all sexists.
You should cope harder
@@kiran-thetributechannel You should stop suporting a sex trafficker
I’m so glad to see “referring to women as objects” as part of hate speech. Im always wondering why it seems blatant misogyny is allowed and no one seems to care about it
Meanwhile you can say literally anything about a cis white male with no reprecussion because equality is overrated, special treatment is where it's at. Allso blanant misandry is way more rampant mainly because it's not looked down upon in the slightest.
Lol what rock or lalaland have you been in? He got banned but not a single feminist has 🤦
Everything is hate speech nowadays
@@pcos2401 what’s wrong with feminism? I think what you mean is extreme radical “feminism.” I put that in quotes because REAL feminists, rational human beings, do not agree with anything those people say and admonish them. To me feminism is equality for all, regardless of gender. And I guarantee you that radical feminists HAVE been banned you just really want to be mad that a disgusting misogynist was banned. Really what your comment is is a deflection. “Feminists” not being banned does not make Tate’s ban any less justifiable
@@ImAviex 💯
The “WHY AREN’T YOU SUBSCRIBED YE-“ was 1) An excellent way to end the video 2) a perfectly cut scream with a great delivery 3) creative way to remind new people to subscribe, I love your stuff man 😂👌
I've realized this with my life that you can't change how people view things. It's either their self realization that makes the change or something bad happens in their life that forces them to make the change
Update 1 year later: he's back
Lud, I just wanna say how much I respect you for standing firm on your beliefs even when you've experienced a meteoric rise to success. I believe you're exactly who you present yourself to be.
@@Dan-yk2sv W
@@Dan-yk2sv so because he gets views and money from this his arguments don’t count anymore? My guy, by that same logic you shouldn’t listen to anyone on KZhead, news, tik tok, internet articles and basically anything because everyone does it to get views and money
@@Dan-yk2sv And so is Andrew. In conclusion, stop watching tate.
@@zenon1177 tate fans trying to use words other than W and Matrix challenge: impossible
ive never been prouder to be a 14 year old boy who never supported him.
Same here
As a girl, I’m also proud.
Hope she sees this bro!. Maybe she will touch it!
I'm proud of you too bro or your preferred pronoun of choice.
@@ali.a9083 is this directed towards me
I really relate with the last couple of minutes. Im in local politics and I can see that politicians do research that only backs their argument. then when others come with counterpoints it could be framed as disinformation. it's messed up and it makes public debate so difficult.
I legit thought that most people like Andrew Tate and that I was the minority but OMG I think most people didnt like him either which is kind of a relief somehow.
I think this is a really crucial video, specifically for the discussion at the end with debate channels and tate. Tate has somewhat disrupted the modern social imaginary, both in the real world and the digital. So I think the insight at the end about what a true social sphere is and how to reach true productive discourse is an important thing to think about, rather than saying things to fit together with people.
This is the wrong move here, there is a reason why someone like Andrew Tate could grow such an audience in the first place, instead of trying to deal with the underlying problems affecting the community overall they decided to silence the guy but that doesnt change the reality: - There is a power dynamic in relantionships that are more favorable to women than man. - The new age plataform like twitch and only fans allow for women to amass a great level of money, money their male counterpart cant reach. - This doesnt mean it afects everyone but they are people that care about this stuff, and thats creats a toxic interaction where some men feel uncorfotable with.(im not saying its right or wrong) - With the way many people work nowadays one of the ways people can date is trough online dating apps like Tinder where the ratio for male to female interation is not equal. There is more examples and issues to talk but its no wonder someone like Andrew Tate who as charisma and is confident on the BS he speaks could have taken such a massive reach silencing him is just paving the way for others and a quick bandage to something thats been afecting people for a while.
The reason people like Tate even exist is because there is no discourse and if you say the wrong things you will be censored.
@@ponternal thousand of people support this man how is a ban going to stop the message he delivered, now he knows he as a market and theres is tons of ways to jeep making money behind a pay wall that now thousand of people who are hooked have no choice but to pay its such a dumb way to deal with people like Andrew Tate.
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High key by far the best end to a mogul mail yet. Idk whether to laugh or cry
The tweet encapsulated your point pretty well, but the last 10 seconds was a work of art lol incredibly true
Man I really wish to speak to someone like you like just 1 on 1 sorta like a therapy session, I'm nearly turning 18 already but I am still so confused about what's right and wrong morally and how to be mature? And by watching your mogul mails as well as drk videos honestly really help me develop my moral compass in a good way imo. Anyways in a couple of months once I'm done with my final high school exam, I'll be getting therapy and just talk, but man do I want to just talk to you. (You are kinda scary though, like just too perfect from what you are displaying, and if you are the person you are showing us to be, man you are great and pls continue doing the work you are doing)
Really though, I really appreciate your work and thank you, for all the cool/funny events and content you create and yeah, just your guidance in helping me form my world views :D
I'm a karate teacher, and today a ten-year-old asked me about Andrew Tate, and after I said that he was a terrible man, he asked me what colour my Bugatti was, without a hint of sarcasm. It's ridiculous. We haven't realized that this guy is currently a lot of kids' introduction to sexism and politics. It's insane.
What colour is your karate belt
I'm surprised you didn't beat the shit out of him
That’s definitely gonna keep that kid up at night when he’s older LOL…
I legit got the same reply from my 16yo coworker after I mentioned the horrible things hes done he responded with "well what color is your Bugatti"
@@OTSCasper what color is his?
This is the best ending to a KZhead video I’ve seen in a while😂 Ludwig’s really hitting his stride with Mogul Mail
fr i dont even watch the main channel videos anymore but still watch every MM
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if you ban andrew on every platform, yet he is still being shown on every single platform... so is he really gone??
I think you handled this discussion incredibly well. Your going to do good on youtube
Amazing video Lud honestly very analytical of the situation and gives a wonderful perspective on things
He didn't say shid! Bro you people are crazy 😐
@@RandomFromValleyOfTheWind you sound crazy
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This is a really great analysis Ludwig, you did your research and delivered a great analysis of this situation and the consequences that are gonna come out of it. You are defiantly the most based Content Creator I know
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"research" isn't looking up random news made by biased platforms. I ofc don't agree with andrews absurd takes on women but I also don't think that he himself believes in them like most of the time he laughs or smiles after saying something absurd. Also Ludwig was way too riled up by this topic and this kind of video couldn't even prove to me that water is nessesary for humans to stay alive
biased views, not researched at all, andrew tate is a normal dude, way more normal than most rich assholes
@@juliasrouvali1924 The content creators only disagree with Andrew Tate because they are blind to the facts and they want to jump on the hype train beofre it is gone. They really don't give af about him and thats sad
He defiantly is
"winning an argument against a smart person is hard, but winning an argument against a dumb person is impossible" ~someone, I forgot who
Albert Einstein
Magafuli
Albert mandela
@@benjaminlinnes387 borgeres
@@benjaminlinnes387 borgeres
Such intelligent points made at the end in regards to the bubbles we put ourselves in. It takes very self-aware humans to know this, and then be willing to educate themselves on different point of views/research.
i like that lud runs this channel the way he does because it shows how he truly cares about the improvement of the world and the voice he has on this platform. he’s using it for good and that’s such a cool thing that i can respect
He also said a lot of racist jokes offscreen and deny those allegations by shifting the blame but it's fine to respect the times he was infront of a camera
Have you never heard of virtue signaling
If you put yourself in a position to get banned, you must bare some responsibility.
Didn't Lud said racist things in a gym and he didn't bare the responsability even to the point of shifting the blame?
i see what you did there.
No these platforms have banned people for nothing. Google KZheads parent company banned somones google accounts for sharing a picture for a doctor.
I see What you did, very well done.
Thats how you start a revolution. When you get silenced and no one cares. You make them feel it wheither they want it or not.
loooool the ending is so funny but also a kind of scary thought that I could be trapped in a sphere that irrationally alters my worldview and have no idea.
New drinking game: Sort this comment section to newest first and take a shot every time someone says the following words “What color is your Bugatti” “Free speech/expression/etc” “Alpha male” “Beta male” or anything like that But do it with shots of beer. You might actually die from alcohol poisoning with any other shot lmfao
Love hearing your take on things like this lud, keep up the great work on the mogal mail channel!
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One of the primary reasons I feel that social media platform bans seem so inconsistent or vague is that people will always try to dance around whatever line in the sand is made. If a platform states that you cant promote misogynistic ideals and even lay out what exactly is misogynistic, people will find some way to try to circumvent that rule. For example you could frame a question in a way to generate a misogynistic response without actually saying anything, or continuously sprinkle in small messages that are meant to reinforce a misogynistic mindset. Neither is breaking the rule because you aren't explicitly stating anything misogynistic, but the effects are there, and no amount of additional rules are going to stop them from trying to push these boundaries. Its a tough trade off, because the more you're transparent with your rules, the more these guys are able to dance around it, and the more you make the rules vague, the easier it is to justify these bans but you add frustration that honest creators have to deal with.
And that my friend is today's f-ked up society!
not reading all that ngl
@@dojidotti699 basically it says all Internet people are fked to some degree
@@kalnptr goodlooks
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Finally he's gone and people from my class won't say he's the "top G"
Damn, i atleast hope they have stopped by now?
@@rosekrababbel7042u do know he is back right lol.
@@nirogalactoid8398 and?
Tate is a G stay mad beta
@@Sigma-Gamer-999 You aren't old enough to use KZhead.
I certify this as a classic ludwig w.
As a woman I’m a little disappointed in the response some male content creators have had regarding Tate, but I feel like you encapsulated it well at the end. “The idea that truth prevails in the public sphere has been proven false” is absolutely right - the fact that women have yet to compel a large proportion of the male population that we’re human beings exemplifies it.
I mean, Lud isn't wrong about them moving to a different sphere. But, even if we give people the benefit of the doubt and they will listen to truth instead of falsehoods, just imagine...how long does it take to say a falsehood? About 5 seconds. How long does it take to prove something is false? It can be anywhere from minutes to days. Telling falsehoods is far far easier and faster.
@@shadowace940 you are the slowest talker in the world if it takes you that long to say falsehood
One of the biggest failures of modern feminist movements is that we haven't provided a proper alternative narrative for masculinity. The main prevailing narrative of masculinity is to be basically an unempathetic asshole (not all men tho yadda yadda) so we need to focus on creating and promoting an alternative.
@@ff-qf1th ur thinking about this way too philosophically.
We agree you are human beings but at some point you have to embrace we are design to different things. It’s good you want to participate and contribute to society but at the end of the day. You have to have a family. The extra money you bring to table is all well and good but for the sake of future generations you have to taje responsibilities as women of the house as I have as the man of the house.
Don't worry about mogul mail becoming an echo chamber, we're extremely happy to point out things we disagree with you on and share honest opinions because that's the space you've created on this channel.
Yeah, sure, sure... 🙃
@Daniel foodist man And? Cope harder.
@Daniel Foodist Man You think that strength and being right is the same thing. You’re such a child
lol scroll the comments this place echoes..
@Souven Tudu I don’t understand your question. Just kinda seems like you’re proving my point
Loved the freakout at the end
About the last point, people will only look for proof or reasons to prove their point/theory. Sometimes it’s better to try and *disprove* your own point and see why it possibly isn’t true.
Thank you Lud for saying it how it is. No BS just giving both arguments and saying why you think one side is better but still emphasising that you aren't guaranteed to be right, it's just an opinion as all views are
Just had a argument with my best friend about him, we aren’t friends anymore 5 years of friendship gone because he became delusional from that stuff
What did you disagree with? Tate does have valid points, and pretending everything said by him is false is fundamentally wrong.
@@killler240 I don’t always disagree with Tate but my friend didn’t wanted to accept the bad parts of him blocked me and said he ne er wants to talk to me again
@@killler240 tate gives basic truths but also slips in sexism. Like yes you should agree that seld worth and willpower is important but not because all women are like succubus or bc of some gene pool bullshit
@@killler240 cringe
@@SykoreMusic you lack critical thinking.
you kind of lost direction at the end, but you really reeled it back in with that high pitched yelling finale
lud finally getting some use out of his journalism degree. you love to see it
frfr
Love the deeper analysis and not just "reporting the news/drama". Thx for the vid 🔥
Deeper analysis. Jesus wept. It's rote neo-liberalism horseshit.
I think it’d be smart for these sites to have a hard set of guidelines which determine what is acceptable on the site and what isn’t. If it’s found that someone like Andrew Tates behavior is unacceptable they should adjust the guidelines, if he’s not already going against them, and warn him that if he breaks the new set guidelines he will be suspended or banned. This would fix the inconsistency in bans because it would guarantee that creators like Andrew Tate are not able to be banned because of emotional execs or something of the sort. It’s simply unfair to ban people for past tweets or posts that have not been brought to the creators attention that it’s breached some policy (new or old). The current system just lacks professionalism and consistency which makes it hard for creators to judge what is and isn’t ok.
Just to be clear I am by no means a Tate supporter, I hate the guy lol.
he already was breaking the rules, that’s why he got banned
I think the first amendment is a good set of guide lines. Like if someone says something you dont like. Get the fuck over it and stop following him.. or if someone says the earth is flat, make fun of them, then go talk with the rest of the humans that agree its round.. seems like they old geezers 200 years ago pretty much nailed it, even without knowing about our technology.
I agree with you. But it’s also not fair when other people who have similar views to him are still on the platform
@@cyber4191 most of this stuff has been there for years, why not taken off? What about all the similar people saying what he says? Let's face it, he got a bit famous so they stopped it, if he stayed at 400k subs they would not do anything, 4 million... BAN!
2:08 I like how calmly he said "I feel like we just got that out of the way"
last 7 seconds were too real lmfao
the best mogul mail outro by far, keep it up luddy
This Mogul Mail was actually such a banger I'm so impressed that you one-taked this
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0:29 regarding this point the point is if I walk into a bad situation I put myself in a bad situation I chose to take a shortcut or whatever at 1 am, that doesn't mean it's your fault but you do bear responsibility for putting yourself in a bad situation
I'm so happy watching your take on this. Big W🤍
Debating Tate publicly isn’t for him, it’s for the people listening that might be having similar ideas but aren’t as committed to it. You have to show people the flaws in the logic, not just say he’s bad and wrong. You are never gonna end sexism is one swoop, it’s about steadily showing people their way of thinking is outdated and has no merit.
It’s gonna come Back eventually lol
@@86kickass but hopefully reverse ☕️
Maybe we just gotta change our way of discussing topics on KZhead. Arguing between two parties takes you nowhere if the other party isn't willing to listen and instead revert back to their safe spheres to echo their worldview to those who also agree with them.
@@86kickass Whoopsies i guess he got banned off all platforms 🥱
@@ireallylikenuggets9490 yeah but that doesn’t kill the message. He got popular for a reason. Two more Andrew Tates are gonna spring up