Manchester United's Injury Disaster: Why They Have Derailed Our Season?
If I asked you to tell me one word to summarise our season, you’re either saying “awful” or “injuries.” There’s not a season in recent memory where Manchester United have struggled this much with injuries. We’ve missed every key player in our squad at least once, count them up, and our match-up vs Crystal Palace added yet more names to a very long list. The injuries have ravaged our season. It’s hard to say where we’d be without them, but it’s higher than 8th. Here is how they have derailed our season...
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Bruno missing the Palace game sums up our injury issue as he has been immortal for few years now
Immortal huh , chap love's a little girls hissy fit
yes it does because we play him every game for 90 mins… never drops him Z was bound to happen sooner or later
he’s not immortal. nobody is. unless you’re a cb or a goalie. he pushed himself to be available for us. yet this fanbase despises him. he was earning 100k when the fans turned on him. even now he’s earning less than rashford sancho varane casemiro martial. he earns as much as antony 200k. not the highest earner not the biggest transfer not homegrown not the longest serving player but when we fail, every fingers are pointed on him. 😂 this fanbase is so finished
@@steve13191aint no way we can target Bruno in this f kin squad. He is the only senior who gave it all
Maybe it’ll get rid of a load of fair weather fans who have no interest in Manchester or the culture and we’ll still have the core support who followed/will follow us when we were/if we got relegated or finished 10th for the next 5 years, I’ll still be supporting
The problem has been that we have not seen any "Squad development" since Ferguson left. We've not allowed a manager to have a bad season without sacking them when its obvious that to makethe changes that need to be made, we need a massive overhaul and change in structure. The Glazers didn't have a clue about the difficulties any manager would face when doing that, so they just went by public opinion and kept on sacking a managere, throw money at the new one, then not support them in their second year and sack them when it looks like they aren't going to succeed immediately in year 3. So every two and a half years we see another new approach to the squad dynamic. If we sack ten Hag this year we WILL be back here in two years under another manager. Maybe it won't be as dire as it is right now, because that manager in two years time will have had a proper support system of specialists in their fields at the club. I just wish some United fans would think about that time they spent laughing at Arsenal when we finished Top Four and they finished outside the European places... how it was all "Haha! Your manager is even worse than our PE Teacher..." Has Arteta suddenly turned into the bastard son of Matt Busby and Brian Clough? NO... he was just given time.
You’re a real one for this. Absolutely spot on
This is the obvious cause of all the issues with the club. If you keep changing the manager and getting the same results that proves 100% that the manager is not the cause of the poor results. Plus yeah squad balance is a real issue now. Who do you replace McTominay with if he's injured or needs a rest? We don't have any similar players on the bench, so if he needs to go off or misses a game you have to change the entire system to accommodate that. Sure sometimes you want some tactical variety so having options off the bench helps as well, but you also need cover and backups if you want to play a certain system consistently. And it's the same in most positions. McGuire for Martinez is not like for like. Diallo for Anthony? It takes more than 2-3 transfer windows to build a squad, because now days the squad has to be doubled up in basically every position so you actually need to build two squads. And we don't even have a first team that's really been built by the manager let alone an entire squad. Does ETH sign McTominay as first choice? No, he plays him because he was here when he arrived. You can argue that ETH could have done better but that's ALWAYS going to be true. It's unreasonable to expect a manager to be 100% perfect, none of the other managers are. So seeing poor results then pointing to mistakes he has made as if that's the actual cause of it isn't a very robust analysis.
Ten Hag from day one has had huge problems starting with Ronaldo then Sancho, the takeover. I can’t remember any other manager that has had this start to their managership at Old Trafford. Don’t forget that when he started the general opinion was that it would take him at least 3-4 years to challenge for the league he is in his second year and people are asking for him to be sacked, if Tuchel comes in as most people seem to want will he with this same set of players have the success that everyone wants? It’s easy to be successful when you inherited a team that are already up there winning things United are nowhere near being a competitive team, I hope they all get what they wish for and I still believe that Ten Hag should be allowed to see out his contract with new players that are prepared to work hard for their big wage.
I think a lot of supporters wouldn't mind seeing ETH stay another year, but only because we can't have another instance of these players getting rid of a manager. They need to go before he does. But this season has laid bare ETHs weaknesses. He's not a good coach, or at least is not a good manager of the coaching team - performances would have been better if coaching was better. His in-game management has been more miss than hit. His man management obviously leaves a lot to be desired. Don't get me wrong, he's dealing with a bunch of weak-minded c**ts in that changing room, but a good man manger will know how to adapt to a weak-minded c**ts needs to get the best performance possible out of them, until he gets a chance to dump the player in transfer window.
All of that is no excuse. Your managing 1 of biggest clubs in the world and have spent 100s of millions.
Let him stay for another 2 seasons. This season to season system doesn't work. We had that before.
@@tungi_halmegiPeople keep banging on about us being one of the biggest clubs in the world that being the case why was the substitutes bench full of academy youngsters. If we want to be seen in that biggest clubs in the world bracket then we need to have a good squad we need players that would die for the badge, you keep changing the manager you are pushing that dream further and further away. I remember when Ferguson arrived at the club how excited we all were getting away from big Ron, all the hype about Ferguson’s pedigree 3 years on the get rid of the manager brigade were making noises it took him almost 5 years to win a cup, Margin Edwards was resolute he would not give into the Ferguson out brigade. When Ten Hag started all the talk was it was going to take him anything up to 5 years to turn the club around and people bought into that yet here we are 2 years in and it’s Ten Hag out, another manager to go and tell how long do you think the new manager would last? No patience we want it and we want it now we I have news for you you are not going to get it until the wheat is sorted from the chaff.
Well said bro, Erik's tenure has been cursed. Wasn't able to pick his first 11 three times, the club never gave him his first choices. Timber-Martinez, Kane-Rasmus, Kim Min Jae-Evans, Rabiot-Mount, DeJong-Casemiro. We couldn't even keep Reguilon.
The main issue isn't so much the injuries, while they're not ideal, it's the quality of the backups (and their backups when they have been injured). People say stuff like "why doesn't ETH coach them better" but, what if they're just not good enough? Pep wasn't expected to coach J Hart, C Bravo, Nolito etc, he was allowed to move them on and replace them. This is what ETH should be allowed to do.
So you want me to pretend that the first games of the season where our players were fit, were any better? We played the same shit we play now.
@@k4yser I don't want you to pretend anything. Yes, it was crap, but if you keep losing your best players, you don't have the chance to let the patterns of play between them build up. It's been said many times, over many years, by many professionals in football, that a settled back-line is one of the most important things for a team to be successful.
Lol i know right ,Evens who couldnt get into a relegated teams squad 😂😂 easy knowing his wife works for MUTV
Haha just wrote my bit then seen u wrote pretty much the same .. depth issue. This is what we get after 5 diffrent managers, a collection of thier left overs as part of you squad ... coz woodward was throwing away cash buying high selling low .
9 of the staring X1 against palace are players he bought or promoted, he has been allowed to build his squad, he has got terrible talent id
sancho is a symptom of the wider 'I play when I feel like it' problem. They play well when incentivized. The answer is put them on contracts that are only lucrative after a certain level of metrics are achieved.
We hired the Arsenal doctor, we need to send him packing! when he was at Arsenal, they had a lot of injuries, surely we should be looking at his practises
You are one of a select few who have recognised this absolutely stupid move from United!! Arteta Sacked them for Christ sake, then we go out and hire the same ones!!! Absolutely Pathetic!!!
was going tto write this as well. Can't be a coincidence
We conceded a lot of goals in Ole's last season, we were bleeding goals all the time, the first thing EtH had done in his first 10-12 games was Try to tighten that defence up... There's a reason De Gea got golden Glove last season. The drawback was we weren't scoring as many goals, we were usually winning by 2 goals or 1 for most games, the occasional 3 goals were scored but we still won a lot of games 1-0 2-0... That backline was First half Dalot, Varane, Licha and Shaw and second half AwB took over from Dalot at RB. This season we've barely had those 2 combos and you're the one who told me all those years ago, consistency is bred from repetition. We haven't had the opportunity to keep a steady back 4 to get used to Routines, to get used to patterns and get used to the defenders worst traits so that another defender will cover up for them with his best traits. Even if we had a back four of our 2nd String Defenders (say AwB Maguire Lindelof/Evans Malacia) playing 10 games in a Row we'd probably be better off than where we are now, Where AwB and Dalot keep swapping in at LB and RB, the CBs play 2 games together and change. Casemiro was immense last season with Eriksen in front of a Set Back 4 but with his Legs going compounded with him getting injured for a chunk of the season, we're left right back where were a couple seasons ago...
You cannot compare the injuries we have had with any other team Ste. Period. ETH had the most clean sheets last season. This season the highest number of backline combination playing together is 6 games. That is wild. Palace game....Wan Bisaka is not a left back. Case is not a center back. Evans didn't even pass the fitness test. Mount is just coming back from a longterm injury...Ericksen?? Go back to the Andy Carroll tackle ....and no Bruno. Two teenagers in the starting lineup....How were we going to win that game?? The crisis has been getting progressively worse. ETH cannot be blamed for this. The question you need to be asking is just how did it come to this. Well .... there's a whole bunch of execs who've just been shown the door....and there's your answer.
It all started with the Mainoo situation in pre-season vs Real Madrid !!!! That's were Man United started to crumble and disbelieve!
The primary driver is the lack of quality squad depth. ETH kept playing the same players until they are injured, he doesn’t rotate, that’s because he doesn’t trust the squad players, too much deadwood. It didn’t help that we blew our transfer budget by overpaying.
we had a world cup in the middle of last season, and an overly busy preseason. its overworking and a lack of quailty squad depth
definitely not the stupidly intense training which has been a ETH problem since his utretch days, hope this helps.
the fitness department is about 10-15 years behind - get the squad on the asthma inhalers like Pep and Arteta did... we need to follow the hacks otherwise we'll fall further and further behind. Gary O'Driscoll seems like he's chopping up all our players multiple times, where there better options than surgery for some of our injuries?
Morning Ste. Loving the IRL channel. Really liked seeing the camping and the Fan Dance.
The IRL channel is such a breath of fresh air
@@cnvdh3514 I can't deal with that sh*t-show circus which we call United... so watch seeing Ste relax and chill out, helps me relax.
Certainly beats talking about Utd at the moment!
No squad rotation, potentially training intensity and coaching in training, physio and recovery departments and maybe head of medical who we got from Arsenal, they had loads of injuries with him since he left they’ve not had many. So many reason, but this is something Sir Dave should be looking into with his meticulous audit.
Finally. The injury issue is NOT an excuse (especially since the manager is now playing players who fail fitness tests, see Evans vs Palace), as you highlighted Ste every side has had their fair share this season and dealt with it waaaaaaay better than we have. If I had to guess the root cause I would say it's down to partly luck (which as I say is same for everyone) but am glad you highlighted the intense training and the tactics because I think these are the reason we've had more than most teams. It's no coincidence that CBs are the players who have suffered the most injuries this season as they have been constantly having to make 30+ 30-40 yard sprints on the transition in every game since August.
Happy someone made a video on this. I don’t like using injuries as an excuse, but when you’ve had 60+ in a season, there’s some merit. Bruno’s absence against Palace shows how important he is too. Take him out and we don’t create anything in terms of chances created. Don’t wanna hear a bad word said about him again
Whilst nothing has been concrete we've had enough reports this season suggesting that training is at a seriously intense level and i've honestly never got it. We simply do not play a style of football that would dictate a heavily intense training method is needed. Think Pep even took a slight jab at it by saying even City take a day to solely focus on analysis/tactics. Think rushing players back has been very silly of us this season as well, The likes of Scott & Licha coming back from injury and being thrown into the XI that week is wild. ( Can see it happening with Arsenal at the weekend ) Either way its massively bit us on the arse this season, Someone like Licha has been missing all season and he's clearly vital for this team.
Dont know how our players are getting injured in games when they play walking football. So it must be the training or players who have no bottle for the game.
It’s the way we play, losing the ball high up the pitch so much and then everyone sprinting back, happens about 15 times a game! Has to be linked with how many shots we’re conceding.
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That's why I don't pin all woes on ETH. Any coach would suffer under this injury prone season.
He’s responsible for the injuries.
@@thesmithsnerd He's not solely responsible, evidence points towards the medical department
@@thesmithsnerddon’t know how you can say that with such conviction when you have no idea what goes on inside the club
@@slymear these aren’t in-game injuries, besides Lisandro. They’re all muscle injuries. He’s been pushing them too hard, he has done since day one. He wants to turn them into unbreakable pressing machines but he’s just breaking them, they’ve got nothing left by the time they get to Matchday.
@@thesmithsnerd You are right but people will still defend ETH no matter what. He is their Messiah.
Last season was a long season with a World Cup in the middle. That’s got to have a knock on affect. The other problem with injuries is not just that some of our best players are out. It’s also that the team cannot possibly have a chance to gain any cohesion and understanding when there’s so much rotation of players and positions. You’re not going to get a Neville/ Beckham link up when the wingers and full backs are constantly changing personnel and even which side of the pitch they’re on. Everything has been constantly pulled up and replanted throughout the season due to injuries and that’s not good for growing fruit.
The injuries highlight how incapable/inept the squad is as a whole. We're relying on players that can't pass accurately, aren't mobile/athletic, hide when in possession, run down blind alleys, won't pass to team mates unless that blind alley is obvious to them. The ceiling of the squad is around 4th, which we saw last season, but the bottom... The recruitment has played a big factor in this. The overpaying for Hojlund, Mount, Antony, Casemiro (the latter because they dawdled and then panicked), coupled with their ineptitude in moving on players not good enough, means we got 2 loans in Jan last year and no one this Jan. We've spent money terribly and compound it by not selling (yes the fees wouldn't be huge, but the wage bill would have a large chunk taken out). That'd mean we could have signed able replacements in the winter windows. I just hope there's significant movement this summer, because the longer that's put off, the longer we're only a few injuries away from a huge drop off in team quality.
sadly all of this is true
It’s last season followed by being first team into preseason when these players needed a rest. Those players were ran ragged last season (as they needed to be at that point tbh). And he drove out the one man that really takes care of his body and was setting an example for others
I don't buy the noise it's all ETH training methods. He didn't have this issue previously before United but United had injury issues before ETH. Seems obvious the issue is within United's area of responsibility not ETH
That's it. That's the exact explanation right there. What we are doing is just finding scapegoats because sacking groups of medical teams and offloading players is tougher than paying one manager and seeing him off. We will continue to go backwards with such a short term pov
i think it’s the intensity that has increased. As u said newcastle has had similar issues especially when the vast majority of both squads injuries have been muscle strains and knocks not impact injuries. With arsenal they had large periods when they finished 8 consecutively they had terrible injuries but also their style of play has adapted to limit these issues.
Overcommiting our defenders and midfield to keep up with the hyper transitive gameplay that our Manager is so hell bent on is the reason for our defensive injury woes. Its not the amount of distance its the very short burst of turnovers and no screening midfields that is causing the injuries. We keep coming up with lot of reasons to keep this stubborn manager and blame everyone else in and around him but none on the manager who keeps making bad tactical decisions and subs and have seen zero reason to retain him. Ten hag is as bad as our players, as bad as our management, as bad as our owners go figure.
The same thing happened to Liverpool the previous year who went deep in everything the last year.
We lost most of our back line for most of season , our striker and best midfielder were injured at start too and countless othere injuries in a team coz we have no depth in quality.. this is the prob . Most our player also lack the hungry to be united player . Prob count on your hands ppl the deserve to stay ..
I think with city their game style is so much more controlled and balanced. Utd is chaos with zero rotation unless forced. Our current squad was never able to manage these demands
We do have other issues such tactics and setup of the team that needs addressing but it's dishonest to dismiss injuries as a valid reason as to why we've been worse this season
Becomes less of a valid excuse when countless other teams in the league have had same if not worse injuries but still kept the wheels on the bus. Newcastle is for example who are still somehow ahead of us
@@d.b.cooper1 who else who had worse injuries than us but has "kept the wheel on the bus?" Arsenal? Man City? For how long has Newcastle or Chelsea been ahead of us? And with how many points ? If my memories serves me right it's one week. You're talking like there are clubs who have been ravaged by injuries and are doing exceptionally better than us? If they're where is the evidence?
@@directorme6669 Just google 'transfer market injury table' who today published an article of PL injury table. United rank 4th after Chelsea, Newcastle & Brentford. I'm literally a United fan but aware enough to realise fans only ever focus on their own clubs like victims, if you cared to look you'd find even likes of BBC have tracked injuries throughout the season & whilst we've always been top 5 we've never been the sole outliers ravajed by injuries like some fans would claim. Most the league has been battered but crucially many clubs didn't drop off anywhere near the way we did. We've also been lucky in grabbing 1-0 wins due to individuals like mctominay/maguire crashing the box when in reality of xg position is 16th.
Lots of our squad go deep into international competitions which was through last season, we went deep in the carabo cup and FA cup last year and straight into a tour, I think demands on intensity and squad depth/quality of the squad are key issues with this current Man united team
Whether it’s training methods, poor recovery work or even the fitness departments fault, it needs looking into. Somethings wrong somewhere. The injury’s have killed us this season. I feel for the manager.
I saw a report INEOS wants to redo the training facilities because of all the injuries we are having
Sell Sancho now when the Irons hot. Hope Ineos are working on moves now not August 26th.
While the number of injuries is certainly a problem, I think the concentration of injuries in our backline is more of an issue. How many different backline combinations have we had this season? That makes it very hard for the team to develop a consistent style of play. The lack of quality in our bench players is also less than ideal. However, given all that, I am very disappointed in ten Hag's seeming inability (or unwillingness) to adapt to the situation. As many have commented, he doesn't seem to have a Plan B, and I think that, more than anything else, is what is likely to be his downfall.
People are saying Casemiro is just done. I've been thinking he looks like he is carrying an injury too. Players don't just fall off af cliff like that...
Wouldn't surprise anyone at all.
It looks like he's throwing himself into tackles to try and have some sort of defensive impact because he knows he has no pace. Definitely looks like he's carrying an injury
Absolutely, i thought the same thing. His pace was waning a bit last season but this season he looks like a 45 year old. God knows what happened to the entire squad during the summer but they all came back slower - even Rashford.
Matic did. It's a similar thing. He hit his 30's and fell off a cliff, only able to be effective when playing once or twice a month.
His legs are all used up and he still have madrid in his heart, its just a "job" for him at this point.
Often injuries occur through overload. Looking at the Palace game it was obvious many Utd. players looked overtired. On the other team players like Eze , Mateta and Olise appeared fresh and sharp. Three players by the way , Utd. should have recruited ; they have a combined 29 goals and 11 assists so far this season.
Most teams have had injuries as an accumulation of the mid season world cup, extended league season, shorter pre season and sheer volume of games. As highlighted by others on here, the problem is the squad is paper thin so when first choice players are injured, the back ups are woefully short. Last year ETH was able to field a more consistent and stronger first 11 most weeks and it showed.
Well for one, there’s a serious lack of squad depth. You need two for each position, that makes 22 players. Then you need additional 2-3 players that can be a Swiss Army knife both in the offense and defense respectively, think of a Daley Blind. That makes it to 24-25 players, and then you have the youth. You rotate a lot more and have constant competition of who is the nr. 1 in that position. Just look at City, If there’s an important game coming, and it’s a tight schedule, they either bench someone like De Bruyne or make Haaland play 60 min. but if they’re in the lead and in control, they already sub him during halftime. They can afford to condition their players. Many more squads are like that as well. United has no depth, and you’ve to start the same players over and over again, and there’s more and more games being added and more extended time added to a game each year. United are crawling each passing game to the next with tired and exhausted players, meanwhile if you meet an Arsenal or a City they’re relatively fresh because they can afford to condition their players right. It’s a structural issue at Man United and it’s beyond the manager.
One thing I've noticed about ETH since the first season is that he very rarely rotates his first team. These players are humans not machines, the injuries don't suprise me..
Arteta uses the same starting 11 more or less every game. Arsenal have the entire squad available, as far as I know, right now
because their players dont fuck women every damn time, so their bone is healthy and stay at the right spot wherever heavy action being done. Dont fuck women if youre weak and tiny. These mfs dont build like cristiano, kroos, modric, xabi alonso, zidane
Ste, simple as this for me. We played more games than anyone in Europe last year. Bruno played more than any other player. Ten Hag basically picked the same 11 most weeks last year but it was never sustainable and too reliant on the same players. A long pre season travelling mixed with an inadequate physio/medical team. It’s so so similar to the season Liverpool had a few years back almost identical when they were plagued after playing too many games. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but for me it’s fairly obvious. Too many km’s in the tank. Just look at Bruno for an example there’s no way he should play as many minutes as he does.
Can we dial back the slander on Luke Shaw? Having your leg broken is hardly being injury prone!
And it won't be like there'll be residual issues from the atrophy whilst the leg is in a cast and healing either!
Sure. But at least dont rely on him dont give payrise to him. Make him sit on the bench be a rotation player. If you’re paying somebody 200k and he’s not available 50-60 percent of the games whatever the reason might be. Get rid. Not slander. Just common sense.
Shaw missed 31 games the season we signed him.. Which is a whole season before his leg broke.
Shaw's contract should not have been renewed. Undoubtedly a decent player but unfortunately we haven't seen enough of it imo.
His leg break was almost 10 years ago now. Stop with the excuses.
City didn't have a fucking insane mini season for a pre season either. Fatigue management can become self defeating and comes down to player discipline as well. Got to sleep right, got to eat right, got to manage stress. These things are often overlooked in favour of focusing on the match calendar as the culprit. As you already and rightly point out, it gets harder to manage fatigue for the players that are available because of the players that are out and again as you say, the players available aren't high intensity for 90 minutes players. When even Bruno has gone down, the squad needs a rest and of course, better recruitment. It's not just physical fatigue either, mental fatigue creeps in too, poor decisions get made, a scan fails to pick up a player (Palmer in the final minutes at Chelsea), tired tackles/badly thought out ones. It's no coincidence a lot of our dropped points/conceded goals have come later on in games.
I think its the tactics, monday night football spelt it out pretty well. You can deny it but its there to be seen
Problem we have is that we cant rotate and cant replace people when injured. We dont have a fit CB or LB at the club. So how can we deal with it?
Was it LvG's first or 2nd season where we had more injuries than ever before? If I'm remembering correctly (correct me if I'm wrong) where we had 12 first team players out at one stage. Think this has been coming for some time with the lack of investment into Carrington, the medical facilities, physio staff and recovery training methods. Ste, you said back in the day that United should look at how UFC/MMA recover from from fights and strenuous training camps and try to implement some of that into our first team. Ineos going to have to rip out the heart of the current medical setup of the club and start from scratch
Every manager has injury crises.but they last from a few weeks to a couple of months at most. No manager at any club has ever had one last for 15 consecutive months
That pre-season tour following so many games last season was never going to help. Putting commercial factors ahead of what the team needed. Not the only cause by any means, but a factor for sure.
definitely not the stupidly intense training sessions, would never be that.
It was ridiculous. United played every possible competitive domestic game they coulld have by appearing in both cup finals. Mid season world cup and a fairly deep run in Europe. The last thing we needed was an inter-continental tour featuring a fly-a-day, train-a-day, play-a-day schedule in the USA. It was madness. Most clubs started the season with their best players ready to go having played a few games together to get the new systems down. We were several weeks into the season befire we could get the first team anywhere near ready, and pretty soon half the team were rotating on a game by game basis depending on who was fit. The levels of fatigue that the players must be experiencing after playing football without a proper recuperative break is the main reason we have so many players dropping like flies, and then getting injured again as soon as they come back. The squad is at a point where "If you can walk unassisted, you can play..."
@@andrewtomlinson5237 or, it’s just how dumb the training is, eth says he likes the training intense, not tactical. klopp, arteta and pep say they refer tactical over physical :)
@@iainsteele5737 I don;t think we had a particularly notable season with injuries last year did we? We had some... obviously... No more than most teams... Are you saying he has intensified his training? By November when the Ronaldo shit was done we were playing well, the same core team were working as a unit better than they had for years? Why weren;t they dropping like flies last year?
@@andrewtomlinson5237 well, the tactics shifted massively at the start of the season which is just end to end every game then intense physical work for training, now we get constant injuries.
Injuries to Shaw, Varane and Mount is no excuse to keep playing Rashford and Casemiro. When players *WALK* around in press play and don't work their socks off when they *KNOW* the team is in deep sh*t, that's the last straw for me. Rashford and Casemiro should be done at United after this season, anything else is simply not acceptable.
Compare to this season, we recall last season as being excellent. But I remember questioning Ten Hag's selection (and our transfer policy) at times last season where we were struggling with some games and certain players looked knackered. I think that has a lot to do with the problems we're having this season.
this is the current state of soccer in general but bigger with man united.when the spirit in a team disappearss.the manager is responsible for this.when the spirit is low players call off sick for nothing,who allows this.the manager and man united.doctors come in from other clubs who they ruined (chelsea).players pretend they have a problem and the doctors respond,they have to make a show they are earning their wages.i played at the top and was injured for 2 weeks in 35yrs
It would be interesting to break down injuries in games vs injuries in training. I feel like the way City play they are likely to accrue far less injuries on a match day.
The standard of fitness and pace of the game will never really change too much. The pace and technical aspects will have marginal improvements every few years. The only way to reduce the injury risk would seem to me is to reduce the number of games. Reduce the league to 18 teams. That would allow for a further break as well as the winter one. UEFA might want to consider only the top 3 teams to be eligible for champions league across all countries. Some only get one entrant, so if they want to include more teams and more games, reduce the number from each country. 4th place could be for Europa league and if one of top four gets the FA cup, then Fifth place gets that spot.
I'd like to see some analysis of the number of "preventable" injuries. E.g. How do our matchday injuries compare to our training injuries? How do our impact injuries compare to muscle injuries?
we have 6x PL average for training injuries, that points the blame on ETH
@@iainsteele5737 Wooah! That needs to be talked about more in videos like this.
Injuries might also be a result f training. There's a difference between training intensity in Netherlands and training intensity in England due to the difference in climatic conditions. One has to learn to adapt to get optimum result.
United have managed to break the unbreakable, Bruno! you have to be blind if you can not see the effect on our league position. I think its a number of things. 1 Recovery from winter WC 2. Last years success (same happened to Liverpool the year before. 3.Changing from a low line to a high line and higher intensity. 4. Attitude (low moral can make injuries take longer to heal) We need our scouts to only recruit players used to high energy play.
I watched the Gary neville interview with Anthony Gordon the other week I was impressed with the kid he said that he doesn't go to the gym with the other players he does stretching exercises or goes back on the grass too work on the weak parts of his game and he's had a injury free season keep off the exercise bikes they're not good for footballers
On you comment on Fergie identifying the need to rest/rotate in the 90s, I've not looked but does Pep do this with his team in terms or having a core group surrounded by starters (first half of season) and finishers (second half)?
There's the phycological side to this too, players like martial will only play when 100% fit and I feel like as the season has gone on and we've struggled some of them are not willing to play as they fear being criticised so they drag the injury out. We know this happens ex pros mention it all the time. We need physically stronger players but also mentally stronger to deal with what's asked of them
He ran the same squad into the ground last year to finish 3rd & win the energy drink cup. Have people forgotten his refusal to rotate? Any decent manager anticipates injuries & regularly uses the bench or youth to ease them in instead of throwing them in the deep end. Dread to think what he does in training. Running 10k for punishment sums it all up. Sean Dyche wouldn’t even do that & has more long tactical planning
Hit the nail there on the head ! And players loose trust in such a coach .
I know Ten Hag has had to shuffle the deck of cards an insane amount this season but there has to be a serious inquiry about these injuries and why we’ve gotten to this point. We haven’t seen Malacia at all this season same with Luke Shaw. That’s an ENTIRE SEASON WITHOUT A TRUE LEFT BACK. Luke Shaw is ALWAYS injured. Why does this keep happening ?
I don't think injuries are the main reason we are struggling so much this season. Ten Hag's tactics alone is already demanding a lot of high intensity sprints, and he has said in Neville's interview that he doesn't think it is worthwhile changing up too much with the tactics when you are going through the process and you know the players can't do it to the full. I think it is just another way of saying "my tactics are fine, I'm not at fault." And he can be so deluded to claim United are "the most dynamic and entertaining team in the league this season." I think it has been quite clear to everyone watching the team that what Ten Hag claims can't be the truth (maybe it is very entertaining for the opponent, at least Ten hag got this right.😕). If Ten Hag really sees things like this, I think I would worry about the team going forward, the so called "united's way of playing" or "football philosophy" just ain't working.
World Cup last year , the amount of games we played last season , the pre season all over America with minimal rest period , and the fact we have the head of sports medicine who was at arsenal between 2009-2023 with the likes of wilshere , vermalen , van persie , rosicky etc who were constantly injured and thrown straight back in as soon as half fit pretty much sums up the accumulation of injuries that we are suffering and the lack of rehab given to the players who come back from injury and get put straight in at the deep end as soon as half fit
Same for every other team, uniteds players are just made of plastic and only care about wages and social media
Putting it out there... if scouting and recruitment is screwed. Tactics have issues (ie Casemiro stranded) -> footballing department needing overhaul... can I just put it out there that medical department as well as the physios need to be shown the door? Clearly, 60+ number is absurd... fitness and physio staff need to leave. And also, the pre-season needs to be properly planned. 1 game / country needs to be avoided.
Football players lead a dream life. They don't work like most. They had a passion as a kid. And that passion turned into an exceedingly lucrative income. For running around and kicking a ball. All they are required to do is a bit of fitness training a few days a week. And the odd day or two a week. Spend 1.5 hours kicking a ball around a park. For the entertainment of others. This has to be one of the easiest jobs on planet earth. And one of the best paid. I am afraid I can't have too much sympathy for them. When compared to someone like a Miner. Ship breaker. Any number of workers that risk their lives every day and earn little. And if they don't work. Often don't get paid at all. You can sit out for years at Man Utd on 150 000 pounds a week. Full pay. And do nothing. Poor little darlings. The game is soft. And the players are soft. You train hard enough. Strengthen the right muscles. Keep that height of fitness. You won't get the niggly injuries. You get a guy that swings a sledge hammer every day. It becomes easy. You swing punches every day. You last 13 rounds. Don't train for your job. You crash and burn. A lot of our squad doesn't look fit. When other teams are motoring about. We are walking. Not too much training. Nowhere near enough. What are the injuries. If there is a theme work on strengthening that area. Build up calf muscles. Strengthen ankles. Get them swimming miles. Great muscle builder with less stress. Race horses swear by it. Their career is short lived while they are young. Then set up for life. Commit to the job. Without that commitment and with no incentive to have that commitment. Full pay for years doing nothing. Then Football will continue to see high injury numbers. Just like kids wagging school.
Never want to hear Sancho's name again, at least not until news breaks that we've f**ked him out of the club 😂
Signing Evans as a backup defender was a HUGE mistake. All respect to the dude , but at his age he can not be a title winner . On top of that he came from a Leicester team that got relegated... How can we expect a relegation battler to come in and be a suitable backup? Just because he won a title with Ferguson more than 10 years ago?? You could say it was a failure on Ten Hag's part for allowing this to happen. Hopefully he learns from this experience and signs sufficient backups so that he isn't caught in this situation again.
Wonder how many would be injured if they only got statutory sick play while unavailable. Some definitely don't want to play for this team
An important problem with our season, apart from the injuries, is that we don't score enough goals. Rasmus Hoijlund isn't the player who will solve our goal scoring predicament. The lack of goals scored puts pressure on the defence and on the other players. One could tentatively suggest that the lack of goals could potentially have affected the injury situation to a certain degree.
I would say the injuries have indirectly impacted our goalscoring. Our wingers have been average this season- not creating chances, because of a lack of supply from the midfield, which has been inconsistent due to injuries and also poor defensive solidity due to the defensive injuries. Every line in the team relies on the one behind them
Hojlund's shots per goal stats are pretty damn good. When he gets into position and actually gets the ball, he's pretty lethal. But when you have wingers who only want to shoot, it creates a problem. Hojlund isn't like Firminho, a player who's there to clear a path for the wingers to shoot. He's an out and out striker who needs wingers and midfielders to give him the ball in areas where he can hurt teams. So far, he's been feeding off scraps and very few of his goals have come from players actually trying to assist him. It's not a question of choosing one or the other either. Bayern have a striker in Kane who scores a lot of goals but their wingers score too. The forward line needs to have a target of something like 60 goals. Whether that's all three get 20, the striker gets 30 and the wingers get 15 each or whatever, the forward three need to be aiming to get 60 goals between them at the very least with the other 30 to 40 goals required if you're going to have a good season coming from other areas of the pitch (midfielders getting 5-10, defenders getting a few from corners, bench players chipping in etc). How those goal actually come about is down to the manager setting up his team and the players following instructions.
One thing we also need to consider when we speak about injuries is squad depth. Yes, all teams have injuries, but can they maintain the same playing style with the back up squad? When Luke Shaw gets injured do we field a "less talented" Luke Shaw or do we field a player who plays nothing like him? Same for all our injured first 11. I expect a drop in quality sure, but because our squad is imbalanced over years of recruiting different styles, we are very dependent on individuals because their back up doesn't match their profile (AWB can't play like Dalot, McT can't play like Casemiro, Maguire can't play like Martinez and No one can play like Bruno). If we want to play with a system, we need a squad that suits the system - and currently we don't have one.
A major issue is having 64 injuries in a season thats a freak amount there should be a review to work out why the hell thats happening and rectify it if thats down to the coaches the medical staff or what thats negligence.
Kompany idea is good
I want a complete investigation into the medical clowns at the club it’s like we employed a surgery of vets absolutely shocking
United need to ring Rene Meulensteen RVP speaks well about how he'd manage his training
The work rate and visible effort put in by this squad of players doesn’t indicate to me they are training a way that is all about high intensity
Wild ending
Injuries and fitness .. even the players on pitch don't look fit enough.. sabitza spent his time at united injured, but he's been fit at Dortmund.. something is clearly wrong at United
So I agree to appoint injuries of the problem but when you don't have a plan b or plan c if something is not working then that is the fault of the manager. Also if he's moaning about his first 11 not being there to be picked, he has no intention of rotating when they are and like you said modern football news heavy rotation, it needs flexibility in players to play. This is a massive concern with him as the manager. He seems fascinated with the first 11 he wants not the squad as a whole to work
Last season, we had the most clean sheets. This time, we dont even know what a clean sheet means, and our depth is crap because we dont move on bad players fur various reasons.
How are you Ste? Do you think, it’s a lack of footballing brains & a down tools mentality from the squad rather than the manager, as we’ve had a few & were they all bad I agree the injuries are bad but when is enough enough & it’s time to sack the squad off & not the managers
But these players have not downed tools. That's the saddest part. They're performing worse than when they actually did down tools under Rangnick.
Injuries are part and parcel of the game and having sufficient backups in place is required BUT having the quality in those backups is needed which we don't have. Just look at the Palace game on Monday, the 11 we put out was terrible. Some players out of position, a lot of older/experienced players but there was no fight, no determination and a lack of leadership to drive the team on. We literally went through the motions as if we were ready to lose from the first whistle and just get the game over with. Toxic culture...
Bigger squads would benefit rich clubs more so I don’t think the league would allow it. Utd have a real drop off in quality outside of the first 11, a better bench would allow squad rotation instead of playing the same 11 until a player gets injured. Loan options should be looked at until Utd can afford to buy a quality bench.
When your winning and everything is going good, it seems effortless but when it’s not, you try harder and over train leading to more injuries
Defensive errors with injuries and giving away goals is understandable, but our frontline has been the same then why is the team not scoring goals ? They all just keep running and give away possession so quickly and give away a goal during opponent counter attack. The very reason we got Onana is to play from back.. if our players can’t do it then what are they doing in training.
It was revealed this week that United are 4th in the Premier League injury table for most injuries so far this season. Chelsea 1st and Newcastle 2nd.
Martinez and Shaw have probably been our biggest casualties this season, you can find games in which they both played and United have still been poor. In my opinion it’s excuses. Mr Plan B-less Ten Hag has no idea of what adapt in difficult circumstances despite having many chances to do so
A team: Hojlund Garnacho Bruno Mainoo Martinez Onana We have 6 starters for the A-team( let that sink in) B Team: Rashford Antony Diallo Mount McSauce(just because he scored a few this season) Dalot Varane Shaw(as CB) Bayındır ..we have 9 starters for the B-Team Out: Eriksen(can't run), Casemiro( can't run, high wage), Malacia(he missed an entire season, loan him) Maguire(slow) Lindelof(he's okay, we need more than okay) Wan-Bisakka(he can run, he can tackle but he doesn't reassure no-one, sorry mate) Martial(no explanation needed) - Napoli is 8th right now and is not gonna make Europe next season, we could sign Kvaratskhelia. We'd have to spend big but he's worth it. - There's this kid playing in the USA, Almada. He's technical, Argentinian and probably playing in Europe next year(man utd or not) - Hato is a good option in CB for the long-run, from Ajax That's about it in terms of A-Team signing for next season. We can't sign any other golden nuggets, we're not in a position to do so. And we still missing a RB & LB For the missing players in B-Team, we could rely on Man Utd youth. Doesn't make sense to keep signing B-teamers We need to make the best of next season but also, have clear PHILOSOPHY. Slow players, average players, etc, shouldn't be relied on to make the A-Team. That's what we've been doing for the past 10 years
I think ETH has to be given tons of rope due to the terrible injury record. He won a trophy in his first season surrounded by chaos. If we let him go, we are gonna regret it
City’s injuries are better than ours because they’re on cruise control for the majority of games and still winning them with ease. While we’re fighting for our lives every match.
No one knows why,there’s no common denominator and most Premier League teams have had very high injury rates,but I think the major issue at United is the lack of depth,there’s nothing like serious competition for your place to keep players playing.
WRONG. we have just over 6 times the Pl average for injuries in training, what does that tell you
I just think the players have bottled it and can’t deal with the pressure. So they are getting injuries. Ben foster said something along those lines on his podcast not too long ago.
But.. but.. but... Jack and robbo said that the only real reason is because ten hag is training them too hard 😮 And that's why we need the glorious tommy tickles and all our players will become bullet proof 😊
Do we have more players willing to be injured because of the abuse (not criticism) they feel they get? I don't know either??
With Brunos injury, it's come days after the interview alluding to him leaving, which came on the back of reports the whole squad is pretty much there to be sold off. Maybe that pissed him off. With the actual injuries, it's part of a run of awful luck - including terrible refereeing decisions - that have gone against us. One thing about bad luck: Sooner or later, it runs out. Up The Fucking Reds.
The STRENGTH in "strength and conditioning" has been completely phased out of modern football. The stronger you are the less prone you are to injury. I see elastic bands and bosu balls but never a single barbell or power rack in these "modern" facilities. All the physios today are frauds that chase trends instead of going with what works.
I don't think the players want to play for Erik. He hasn't got it. The old school teacher who used to talk about how strict they were but it didn't buy them respect...
What’s so confusing about this is…..a team like United have no doubt a team of coaches/nutritionists/high performance analysts examining all kinds of metrics, crunching data, modern sports scientists, but like many teams in the premiership they are plagued with injuries…..United have gone more or less a whole season with at least half a dozen up to a dozen players injured so the logical conclusion is, whatever these metrics are and however they are being applied in training and beyond are not working…clearly not working, whatever it is that this highly paid ‘team’ of scientists are advocating, from training methods to treatment does not work. Players in the 80s and 90s and even 00s were never injured as often as this? Is it possible that modern methods, taken from for example cycling….where the slightest outside interference in balance can knock an athlete ‘out of sync’ are simply too rigorous? Too mathematical, that the players are becoming too athletic? Or is it possibly post vaccination muscle injuries? Whatever it is….something is not right……or is it simply too many games, and too much demand on bodies that are so highly tuned, they can easily be unbalanced? Or….players nowadays won’t and don’t play through aches and pains like they did, and unless they are 100% they won’t play…..
the high wages dictate the number of games / tv schedule. Ask the players to take a pay cut = less games / less tv requirements.. they wont do that.....
It’s not the amount of players out. It’s the fundamental.crucial players we’re losing,which has destroyed our game. But ETH doesn’t try different ways. Not playing Amad over Antony. Baffles me
With Ronaldo,sancho and anthony drama ,list of injury was the last nail in the coffin..Any manager will struggle under this ...
Its obviously not one thing thats caused all the injuries but it is one person's job to reduce them and manage fitness.