Le silence de la mer (2004) - 7/10

potresti aiutarmi? quali sono le differenze tra questo spezzettone di film e gli episodi del libro (sempre riguardo quello che succede in questo video?

​@@carlottaspalazzi6747queste scene non appartengono al libro. Anche il cugino intraprendente non c'è. Nel libro tutto si svolge nella cucina della casa, con l'ufficiale che parla e racconta di sé e dei suoi sogni. Nel libro ci sono solo i soliloqui dell' ufficiale e i pensieri dello scrivente che è lo zio o nonno della della ragazza. Solo alla fine l'addio solo sussurrato della nipote. Il film di Melville è aderente al testo ma molto statico, giocato molto sulla fotografia. Qui si salva la storia dell' amore impossibile, ma episodi e personaggi ( resistenza compresa) sono aggiunti. Però è molto curata l' ambientazione, l' atmosfera.

​@@carlottaspalazzi6747Il racconto ( è un lungo racconto) ha un taglio notevole dal punto di vista etico, morale perché spiega bene l' atteggiamento dell' ufficiale , il suo essere tedesco ma " diverso"; egli ama nella ragazza francese la sua stessa dirittura. Il film mette in primo piano l' aspetto romantico della vicenda.

@@annapicchi7000 grazie mille❤️

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Make movie after war. I knows it's a long time but I've seen pictures of him and think it could be done. Hope so.

Povero Verner!

Je suis d' accord!😊

Я влюбилась актёру он очень красивый хотя сиграл роль врага но понравилось формы к лицу.

Trop tard, pas de suite, ça a été tourné en 2004, les acteurs ont bien vieilli. Mais surtout, je crois que ce serait une trahison de l'auteur résistant Vercors, qui est tout de même un trésor national pour les Français.

Peut t' etre...

Жанна спящая красавица

He decides to go to Russia because he is not a nazi, and understands what Germany has become. And 🥺 probably he is married or engaged, He respects both women ... we dont know 🥺 In the movie version everything is different. 💖 This is much better

Vers cheyenne ..peut etre un autre maitre en scene voudra continuer l istoire a un autre film,. Helene ( excusez moi pour la langue, je ne suis pas fransaise )

Пусть это случиться как можно быстрее!!!

They could have at least kissed each other in secret! At least once! Probably there were many times that Jeanne's grandfather was away from home and Werner could have kissed Jeanne. Like the time that the Grandfather was away for Christmas eve and Werner returned earlier than Jeanne's grandfather. They had an opportunity there! Thay could have been cold towards each other in public,but in private different. I don't think that Jeanne's grandfather was at home all the time, remember he had a friend named fernand. And Jeanne doesn't really have friends, so she had more privacy. Jeanne lives in a big Chateau,in a house away from other houses,there's less opportunities for gossipy neighbors because of the distance and location of the house.

@@Skyblue-fw5rm I don't think Jeanne was capable to cross the "enemy" barrier, she was bent on treating Werner as an Enemy. That is also due to the programming, for many years leading up to the Great War, the French propaganda also whipped up hostility and nationalism just like the German Propaganda that deceived Werner about the cooperation between Germany and France. Jeanne was too young to understand that there is the war out side the home, there is also a private world inside the home. Even the old grandfather did not have the wisdom to say: "Jeanne, the war will not last forever, one day, peace will return..." Of course, the script was written in such way so that the movie still hews to the original book which is a piece of Resistance Propaganda------Resist passively, by not speaking to the enemy. The view of the Enemy was very stark in the book, anyone who wears the Wehrmacht uniform is an enemy. Of course, many French men and women ignored this, and had social and business relationships with the Germans, some paid a heavy price when the Germans were defeated. I wish Jeanne could have some joy and happiness in private with Werner, they could be so so happy in a very bleak time....

I find him so descrete he helped her out, but doesn't ask what happened.

​@@Skyblue-fw5rmЖанна вихована в повазі до себе самої та до людей. Рано осиротівши, швидко стала дорослою. Закохавшись у Вернера, боялася свого почуття. Дідусь першим помітив зміни в ній, хоча нічого не сказав. Вона вперше зустріла такого чоловіка- гарного, високоосвіченого, тактовного, але ворога. У цьому трагедія їхнього кохання. Прекрасні душі двох молодих людей приречені на розлуку без надії на зустріч. І, можливо, -на життя. Війни пожирають найкращих. Нехай будуть прокляті, хто їх розв'язує

Some french upbringing gets you to be like that,I was as such when I was young.the German is the same.they needed more time🥺

Le drame de ce téléfilm, c'est qu'il est certes très beau, mais rend peu justice à l'auteur de la nouvelle, car la majorité des spectateurs ne voient que sa partie romantique. L'auteur, Vercors, résistant, a essentiellement écrit un texte de résistance. Certes il y avait dans son œuvre une touche de romance, mais ce n'était pas le message prépondérant. C'était une nouvelle clandestine, destinée à sensibiliser ses compatriotes à la résistance passive - lorsqu'il l'a écrite en 1941. Évidemment, hormis cette précision, c'est un très beau film, servi par d'excellents acteurs, 1ers et 2nd rôles. Mais j'aimerais que les spectateurs prennent le temps de lire la nouvelle et également la préface introductrice (Livre de poche) qui montre la genèse de la nouvelle en éclairant bien le contexte. La première fois que j'ai vu ce téléfilm, moi qui connaissais bien la nouvelle, j'ai été très déçu et j'ai crié à la trahison ! Ensuite, je l'ai revu pour lui-même en essayant de me détacher de Vercors et j'ai adoré.

Yes! It's been around 20 years since this movie's been made, so maybe the sequel picks up 20 years after as well.

@@jdlaw001 he was badly injured on the front line, was in hospital for years, then rehab.

I heard he died in the war.

Wonderful

Yes ! Agree 👏🌹

True 😔💔❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Because the original book was a piece of Resistance propaganda, the character Jeanne and her Grandpa don't have a choice, they were WRITTEN to resist Captain von Ebrennac. Cannot be any other way. Though I'd like to see them having some joy and declare their love for each other in the privacy of Jeanne's house, that would have to be another story like the film "The Exception", or the "Black Book".

C'est bizarre car quand j'ai lu la nouvelle je voyais à la fois la partie résistance mais également l'espèce de tension romantique sous -jacente qui m'avait énormément émue. Je pense que les auteurs de ce magnifique téléfilm ont senti également la même chose.

@@melissacourchesne2121 Oui, certes, il y a les deux, mais je ne pense pas que c'était l'intention première de l'auteur, patriote et résistant. D'ailleurs pour comprendre la nouvelle, il faut lire l'ensemble des nouvelles, qui forment un tout. La plupart des gens ne le font pas. On trouve une situation assez équivalente dans "Suite française" d'Irène Némirovsky (livre et film), où les hommes jeunes étant prisonniers... il ne restait que les Allemands...

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I think she is wondering who that girl is. If Werner is committed to that girl, this is the right attitude she would show to him

Isn't that supposed to be after some time has passed? Her cousin talks about spring coming. December 26 would be a bit premature to be talking about that.

Мне тоже было очень грустно когда сцена прощания была, я плакала 😞 о боже какой фильм, только и думаю об этом фильме

🥺 this the point countries and politics make war 💖 not people

We can all see how terribly wrong things have gotten, when young people can not express their love for each other. I hope the French people are coming to terms with the war years and forgive and let go, i see lots of anger in comments about the "Horizontal Collaboration" of French women who had relationships with German soldiers, or not. I can not believe how much hate some people still bear towards those women still in this day. I wonder how this film was received by the French general public in 2004 or today.

He is not a Nazi,he is a Wehrmacht officer. The SS wore different uniforms.

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​@@silentsea2956 The myth of the clean Wehrmacht.

Actually, he talked and walked his way into her heart, by smothering her with his action of kindness. Helping the little boy, offering her a ride, talking about his love for French literature, music, and his love for the Silence of the Sea! He saved her from the sexual assault from her cousin, played her the "most beautiful, purest, and his favorite piece the Prelude", she played that piece when he first arrived at their house. He even remembered where she stopped in that piece. His playing that piece on Christmas eve was like an offering of the purity, and sincerity of his love to her. When he left for the party at the Command Center, she was disappointed and went to his room to sniff his scarf and lie in his bed.... l love that he figured out that she was in his room lol. But sad she wouldn't talk to him when he went to the fishing shack to talk to her. Life is sweet irony, she only end up going home be assaulted by her cousin. Thank god, Werner arrives to thwart the sexual assault with his "mild death stare", only time i saw Werner fires up his emotion. Though the mild death stare was enough to chase the cousin away. Jeanne was probably too humiliated to thank Werner for saving her honor (I know, old fashioned way of saying it). We only begin to talk about sexual assault openly, god knows how frequent it happens, to women, and children, often by family members or friends. Jeanne repays Werner by saving his life.....This is soul level stuff!! wow, this story is amazing.

Qu'est que Verner ha voulu dire a jannе?

Like the sea!

Donde lo puedo ver en español

@@marinagomezgonzalez5252 lo siento, dudo que exista en cualquier otro idioma que no sea el francés. solo tendrás que aprender francés

La. Petite. Jeanne. Joue. Très. Bien. Aussi. Magnifique me'nt. Son. Rôle

@HN C you watch the song " if you go away" by Terry Jacks made on the dock clip only and it's made slower version too. You might be able to catch it there.

@@SG-wq4rm Thank you, it helps. It seems more to me that she brushes his helping hand away instead of sticking a fish into his hand, whatever the scene is, obviously their hands are talking, very subtle, very enchanting expression. kzhead.info/sun/ma-ygaxso2pojXA/bejne.html

@@hnc6525 I am madly in love with this movie. I have cried several times over the ending. Replayed how is died in Russia.

@@SG-wq4rm I suppose no one, no one, can tell a better story than this.

Как название на русском хочу посмотреть

Зоя Нуржанова Эта новелла написана в начале войны

Ну и а название на русском ?

Людмила Позняк Молчание моря.

Это французский писатель веркор

It can not end that way because the book was a piece of propaganda for Résistance. The French public opinion (still programmed to hate the German occupation) would not have it. Just as the film was written, it met heavy criticism, the opinion makers hate how the film portrayed Werner with nuance and humanity. That was 2004, this year is 2024-80th anniversary of DDay. Let’s see what films are compared no out to commemorate.

Один из лучших фильмов , которые я смотрела ! Браво актерам , эта история неземной любви запала в сердце и душу !

@@user-sd6qc8lh2b "Heavenly love burnt in the heart and soul", wow, beautiful.

Когда она побывала в его комнате?

@@user-yn3nu2ie3y да, и когда в комнате побывала и письмо прочитала,и избегала и не разговаривала с ним. Конечно, он все понял.Он даже понял, почему она не может говорить с ним, т.к он враг.Тяжелый случай, конечно.

That guy was the one who put the explosive to the car. she always felt scare to that guy who said cousin., the feeling not knowing how she is and him. Is so difficult to keep inside.😢😢😢

Bravo, les deux sont indissociables et complémentaires. Il faut lire la nouvelle. Et lire la préface.

Видимо испугалась.

Pascal, wrong person, right attitude.

@ Amy M Aren't we are wild with our imagination. This movie tells us seize the moment. I am never going to get over this movie. It shall stay within me forever ❤️

Haha, but the movie’s background is the war, the war constrained their behaviour.

@@tingtingli If I was her, I wouldn't talk to him either.... Ever. He's our enemy. They invaded our country and our homes. Him walking around our house like a free man., very offensive to me. I think he's truly a gentleman. I am fighting with my own thoughts.

Brilliant scene, just brilliant. Pascal covets Jeannie, he is opsessed with her, and can't handle it when she keeps refusing his advances. He has a nasty streak, which he hides well, until he thinks she has someone else, and then the jealousy erupts, and he is determined to have her first. But... Along comes Werner, who knows how pure and innocent she is, but can control himself. When he opens that door, and sees her distress, it gives him all he can muster not to kill pascal there and then. He can't, because it would lead to complete cayos, for him, for Jeanie, for the grandad. His anger, though controlled, bothers him, because now he knows this drive to protect her, proves to himself, he has fallen in love with her. He won't make a move on her, he wants her to make the move, so she feels safe, and in control, and there is no doubt in her mind, that he is who she wants. Pascal is just a pup, who needs a few lessons in how to behave,

He is frustrated that her fellow French man (Pascal) is allowed to enter her home and attempt to assault her (she was lucky Werner interrupted the attempt and saves her from the assault), yet, he, Werner can not expect a spoken word from her despite his love and respect for her, because he was the enemy occupier.

i am 9 years late but you can find the movie with subtitles on youtube:)

Está comprometido o casado , eso ve ella en la foto... y nos quedamos sin saber

@@anasan00 That letter was from his mother, or maybe a girl friend, he obviously did not show any delight upon receiving it. I believe that is is reason why he showed up at the fishing shack to explain to her. Esa carta era de su madre, o tal vez de una amiga, obviamente mostró algún placer al recibirla. Creo que esa es la razón por la que se presentó en la choza de pesca para explicarle.

You can buy the DVD with English subtitles, I have seen the ad via utube...have a search through

@Emma Barr OMG I just found this movie and watched it {English subtitles- loved it! wow!!!!!!!!!!!}. To answer your question- when she sees him at the dock- standing there- she knew exactly that he knew she was in the room! She just played it off as nothing, never showing the slightest expression/emotion.

@@justmyopinion5099 She regretted not talking to him when he left abruptly for the Russian Front. The tears streaming down her face, she was utterly heart broken. This is how young people get played by propaganda, and sacrifice their precious love. She did not have the foresight that one day the war will end, peace will return, that they can love openly. Then again, this book was a Resistance propaganda. Even 60 years later, the 2004 film's director and script writer knew they could not deviated from that one over riding principle. Jeanne and her Grandpa must not compromise. But they did each say one word to him at the last goodbye. I think the film has done an outstanding job showing us how cruel and inhumane war is.

He knew she was there.

Prelude in C minor (BWV 847) from "Well Tempered Clavir" by J.S.Bach.

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elle aussi mais c'était la guerre, lui l'occupant, l'ennemi

Il était très respectueux cet officier allemand donc pas facile d aimer en temps de guerre l ennemi mais un Amour défendu......

@@vivianedelage2504 À cette époque, par rapport à la nôtre, le collectif primait sur l'individu. Il suffit d'entendre Hubert Germain, dernier compagnon de la libération décédé récemment, témoignant devant Macron : "nous ne pensions qu'à nos devoirs, jamais à nos droits". Quelque chose dans le genre.

@@fincivilisation4645 That was very moving, but the individual rights are just as important and sacred as the collective, don't you think? The individual and the collective are symbiotic, a collective that demands such sacrifice of the individual will only compound the collective trauma.

I wanted to know what happens in the end?

Je vous aime. Je. Pense

Il grande pere non le laisse pas dire...

I think it should be: the girl wrote to me is my ex fiancée. We have broken up. 🙂

The girl is not my fiancé, she is my sister

I think he wanted to tell her that he loved her. And then explain that the other woman meant nothing to him (she was the one his family wanted him to marry but they were not engaged).

She did turned off the light

@@emmabarr6871 I don't remember her turning lights off?

@@SG-wq4rm 2:32 Werner needs to turn on the light when he enters the room which means she did remember to turn light off😉

@@emmabarr6871 why was he was upset with her right after the assault from Pascal. He looks at her with anger, slams the door and walk pass by her.

@@SG-wq4rm even he loves her, but he can do nothing, he is not her boyfriend, he is only a soldier of French enemy , that’s why he is angry, he is angry that nothing he can do!

I would gladly but there is no close up shot 🤷‍♀️ can't decipher anything apart from the address.

I know! Old man needs to leave already! That scene was so frustrating

phương anh nguyễn thị .nunca saberemos, never we wil be know

He is engaged or married 🥺

@@anasan00 No, he's not. I read somewhere that the letter was from a girl his family wanted him to marry.

I think, he wanted to tell her that he loves her (he said "je voulais vous dire quelque chose. Je..." and then was interrupted. I think he wanted to say "je vous aime") and then explain that the other woman meant nothing to him (she was the woman his family wanted him to marry but they were not engaged).

Ex fiancée

@@emmabarr6871I Agree

I read somewhere that the letter (and photo) was from the woman his family wanted him to marry. But they were not engaged.

@@MsJuval There is nothing about that in the short storie.

ma grand mère en a eu un....et 3 enfants

È vero, prima ho visto il film, poi ho letto il libro ,tutto d'un fiato Magnifico ,MERAVIGLIOSO ,STUPENDO

Наталия Леонова Togda bylo takoje mnenyje, cto esli tebja posylajut v Rossyju, togda zyvym ne vozvratitsja. Ja zyvu mnogo let v Germanyji. Vo Francyji na vojne dlja nemcev kak kanikuly byli, esli sravnit s Rossijej. Ja sama iz za filmov o vojne ocen bojalas nemcev v detstve, a sejcas ljublu odnogo nemca.... ocen daze...

Я ждала,что он скажет,можно я вам напишу ,но нет ,не посмел ........... война, оккупант..

The letter from his wife or girlfriend

He can’t be possibly married and loves Jeane, he is not that kind of man, he is true gentleman, might be a sister, or just a female friend,,,,

From the commentary I read, it's a letter from his fiancee, their relationship turns stale, and he weights his fiancee less, judging by the casual way he leaves the letter on the table. Might be details from original TV release.

@@sharyncarr4279 I believe you are right - it might be his finance. However, she's not so pretty in the picture.

@@hnc6525 I agree withith you because Jeane doesn't look upset after reading his letter or seeing that picture.

J'imagine qu'il voulait lui dire "je vous aime". Et puis lui expliquer que l'autre femme n'était pas sa fiancée, qu'il ne tenait pas à elle mais que sa famille souhaitait qu'ils se marient.

@@MsJuval Bien vu je pense comme vous

Why did he go to her room - out of curiosity or because he wanted to feel her essence in it?

@@angelacarleton9575 are you talking about Jeane went to his room?

@JDlamusique -Why he was upset with her after the asault from Pascal.....scene after the pier? -Why he was holding her parents picture and what he wanted to say to her? -Whose picture was it in the envelope? - Do you think he purposely got her bike stolen so that she had to take ride from him? ( That was speculation in the other thread)

@@SG-wq4rm i

Bellisima película 🙏merci😍

What did the white flowers mean and did they get together?

I believe the flower pot outside meant the resistance team was meeting or on the area? After he left when she went to town she placed the flower pot outside the wimdow. That is as close to symbolism I could get.

Ok