Busting Fake Internet Welds
2024 ж. 28 Сәу.
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Not everything on the internet is real. This video examines common TikTok style welding craft videos and how they MIG weld. We'll show you how MIG is really done, and even show you how to edit like the fake videos.
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The fake video problem is not just with welding and fabrication, cooking hacks is full of similar fake clickbait and even things like bread making, cheese making, wine and beer brewing. I'm not expert on welding, just a dad taught amateur DIY welder and car mechanic, a mum taught cook & brewer, a grandfather taught gardener but even I can see through most of the fakes. They do make me wonder how come so many people where not taught basic life skills by their parents/grand parents.
Good video man. Would you be needing more welders?
I want to see what's happening at the weld tip why don't we have cameras their technology that can show us that in real time and detail?
Love the video! We had this punk who lied on his application when he said he could weld. He did a simple weld on his first day and the shop foreman said it looked like pigeon ish. He was told not to weld anything else. Always the kissazz he jumped at the chance to weld a leaking air tank on one of the company's Mack trucks. We were in the middle of lunch and the foreman decided to keep quiet and let the punk learn his lesson. The punk rushes out to the truck pushing the welder. Then, boom! Like we expected the punk didn't think to tell the driver to turn off the truck and bleed the tank. I was surprised that the tank split like that and the punk was barely even injured. At least he kept his hands off the welder after that.
hi, can you tell me how to make Y shape from hollow square profiles? what are the angles I need to cut?
When I was in the USN I met a guy while on watch and he was one of our nuclear welders. On a nuclear powered ship we have specialists welders who’s primary job is to make joints the will stand up to intense heat and pressure. He told me that 37 started the welding school and 4 graduated. The requirements to pass are just insane. They X-ray your welds and pressure test them. But he showed me some of his work, and brother let me tell you it was like a robot. Very few have the talent.
I understand you perfectly. Once I was involved in a building heating project and the primary welder was a certified underwater welder. His welds were unreal!
yup
Probably was a drunk and had the shakes as well, some men can just weld the crack of dawn
did the same when I did pressure vessel welding back in the early 90's. they'd x-ray the welds then slice them and if it wasn't absolutely perfect, you were washed out.
Sounds like The SEALs of welding.
Amazing how much time 'they' take to edit the video when that commitment could be spent in practice. My late father always told me welding is about 10 percent position and 90 percent practice.
True about welding. The video is, I believe, simply highlighting the point that many YT videos are all about vanity, showing off the perfect stacks one can create. I mean, I'm a crap welder. But, if I'm spending all day with my TIG, even I can create seams which looks like they are perfect. Looks perfect, without actually being any good.
Wise words.
@@thefreedomguyuk Ditto Nuff Said
They are not concerned about the welding it's about views, it's no different than these dipshit's with perpetual motion machines or trying to make TV antennas out of coax bent at right angles and claiming they are getting signals from 200 miles away! It's all about money per click and nothing else.
Why would you do that when you can take it for no skill. Your assuming people want to do a good job most times
I have never welded anything in my life. I don’t even think I’ve been in the same room as a welder before. I still watched this whole video and was entranced throughout
Same
Same.
And this is the first step to join the w.e.l.d.e.r.! Take your gear welder! The exclusion zone is dangerous and have no mercy
Same
I would probably kill myself if I tried welding; at the very least, I would somehow manage to wind up covered in molten metal. I am too clumsy to do this kind of stuff, but it is still fun to watch
Way back in the 70's I took a 2000 hour welding class before my ETS out of the Army. At the end of class we were given the structural welding certification test: do a vertical and over head weld on 1" plate. The tester then cut 5 thin sections of the plate and did a guided bent test on two of them. If there was any cracking or undue deformity in the weld, you failed. I passed and had a welder in my hand as a fleet fabricator for the next 40 years. It's always fun to see these "new" types of welding shown. You can fool some of the people some of the time...
As of 2022 they merged welding and machine and to pass weldside u have to pass a visual and a bend test
You passed and had a job for life, these days, the corporations, banksters, political and ruling class have made that almost impossible,
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but you can't fool all of the people all time.
@@smartchipok boomer
I know nothing about welding and clicked on the "Busting Fake Internet Welds" title out of an odd "who cares?" sort of curiosity...I was pleasantly surprised to find a great video explaining things in ways a layperson like me could easily understand. Now I get why i SHOULD care about fake internet welding, lol. Thanks for an excellent video!
Hey! Get outta my head!
Same here
Same!
Yeah, i was directed here by a 3d printing filament comparison video. lol.
me too... know nothing about welding except what I learned from AvE, "A grinder and paint, makes me the welder I ain't". lol
I really do want to thank you for doing this. People really are getting hurt with “fake” welds. I was asked to consult on a fatality where a very large weight box crushed a worker. Some welds that where key to supporting the load had zero penetration and a man died over it. Welding is a real profession that takes dedication and time.
And ruins your health dont forget that part 😅
There’s also fake cooking videos that are dangerous too. I feel like youtube should just ban fake craft videos
Thats why you you aren't allowed to do such welds if you aren't a verified professional to begin with in Germany and probably other countries as well.
@@AliothAncalagon Any load bearing and structural welds must be by a CWB certified welder in Canada...
@@thehoodedteddy1335 You know that this channel would be deleted if the they did that? What youtube should do is to bring back the dislike button first and foremost.
I'm someone who welds (in the middle of taking classes. it counts, shush). I see lots of videos, a lot well edited and some not. I can easily tell the "cold weld" clips would be cut-up. Not to mention seeing the cooling puddle going through the joint was proof enough something looked off. thanks for telling the people about these fakes, we don't need vehicles or structures falling apart because someone thought they could save wire. 😌
I bought a welder a few years ago to do some odd hobbies for some scrap metal I had laying around. I searched the Internet for a long time trying to "hone my skills" for quite a while. This was a random video on my KZhead page, and it's probably the most informative I've seen yet. Thank you!
"If you want it to look like a TIG weld, you should grab a TIG welder. " Amen, brother.
Don't forget, all that slow welding can potentially warp the metal pieces out of position
Moist definitely warping the shit out of it!
@@toulee8051 heat affected zone damage risk too
So a welder wants his mig welds to look nice and actually puts some effort into it and weld snobs are going to give him a bad time about it?
@@ammocan2021 There are benefits and drawbacks to each technique and process. If you spent as much time on improving your skills as you do being offended, you wouldn't have a problem making 'nice looking' welds.
A boiler maker/welder told me 60 years ago that you can teach a welder to drink, but you can't teach a drinker to weld. And wow, he could certainly do both.
that would be me lol
Boiler maker 60 years ago?were you his apprentice.that’s a long time ago
@@darthhamo7568 "That's a long time ago" Yeah, like 60 years. Did they even have electricity back then?? :O
The key is to weld first, then drink. If you drink first, you end up "swerving all over the road" when you're trying to follow the root. Go figure.
@@52Ford dude I’m not trying to be funny. I myself is a boilermaker by trade and the tradesman I did my apprenticeship under was an English man who did his apprenticeship in the early 1950s that’s why I commented to the other person and not to you
My first factory job require me to pass a mig welding test to work certain lines on the floor. One had me welding thin pieces of metal together. Not only was it HOT but the fumes had me going home with black mucus. It was hard as hell and i messed up pieces all the time burning through them. My trainer would occasionally make me look at my welds and would tell me were i could improve. I definitely respect people who do it as a daily job. Yall do fantastic work and there is no reason for people to cut corners.
The fumes are deadly btw
Yeah those fumes are no bueno. Look up metal fume fever.
Welding very thin material is the case where tack welding actually a valid technique to avoid burning through.
@clarkquigley6621 it's the only time yet a lot of these vids will do it on everything, even when stick welding and pretend it's a valid technique. Then when u call them out, ppl will attack u calling u a "hater"!!! Lmao
I’ve only welded once. I used a rod and electricity while under expert supervision. My welds were terrible, but I developed a healthy respect for anyone who can weld well.
Stick welding is harder to get good welds from. That’s why it’s better to start with
Looking back, it was insane how steady and precise my supervising expert was while he was demonstrating his weld. I went through a whole bunch of sticks and even then barely managed to pass the assessment for the assignment.
@@Firefrei It's also a hell of a lot cheaper. I bought a little arc welder for a hundred bucks that sits in the back of my garage. Yes my welds look horrible, but they're adequate for the job. No way could I afford a MIG welder.
I remember attending a metalworking fair once. People showing off welding, blacksmithing, CNC milling, and other techniques. There was a welding contest where two steel square tubes were to be welded together and one person got through his weld in just under half the time his opponent did. The judges went up and stomped on the pipes to test weld strength. The slow welder's didn't even bend. The fast welder's snapped in half, disqualifying him. Nice seeing people show off what makes a weld strong or weak. Good video!
This is especially true with TIG. My weldimg instructor said that the most common mistake people make is not getting the base metal hot enough before beginning the bead. You need to get the base metal melting before starting to add the filler to get penetration. Otherwise it is just putting molten metal on top of two separate plates rather than actually fusing the plates together. Luckily I made that mistake so many times in welding school that I have never made it in the professional world.
Yeah weld it fast will not take the metal melt enough to weld each other so never rush in welding cause it will get ugly
@@cobes11 I am hobby welder, I dont like to use filler rod almost at all mostly when tig welding, just make the joint real flush and melt the base metal together, very little filler rod, mostly using only on t joint. For example doing stainless exhausts, set the current so that it just barely melts through the pipe thickness and then weld away, dont need to back purge with shielding gas either that way. Would be safer to purge and use more heat I guess but on non structural stuff cant be using all the gas to "waste"... Aluminium doesnt seem to work that way though and have to use rod whatever joint it is almost.
What?
@@primalbeans Welding talk
I’m a 60 year old retired tradesmen (41 years in the trades) With my time I’m teaching myself welding…CORRECTION, YOU are teaching me how to weld. Your videos are excellent. Thank you sir.
Ditto!
Old mechanic here, SAME!
I was a metalworker myself and was agonizing about this fake welds. Thank you very much for educate everybody about these vids. When I was working in this profession, I was always serious about having welds that were going through and were holding good to grind after. The little kids, which were in the educational process, didn't care about that and I was always scolding them to take this work seriously, because there were some lifes dependent on it. And if these welds wouldn't hold out after the construction, I would blame them for the eventual death of these people. Welding should always taken seriously.
joining 2 things together... no matter the method should always be serious. bolts need respect too; use the wrong bolt, and it might not have the strength. use a nail when a screw was needed, because a nailgun was much quicker...
I come from a long line of welders. My grandpa, my daddy,was a boiler maker, my brother, my youngest sister, and my son even learned and had a full scholarship to Tulsa welding school that he turned down (crazily) to go to a private college for a business degree instead. ( Should've stayed with Tulsa, but what can ya do?) I've thought about going back to school to learn myself because it interests me, and I had been watching welding hack videos. ( anyone can welding videos), but this video proves the importance of learning the skill properly and not falling into the hack trap. 😉 I'm glad I ran across it.
I always assumed those videos were edited that way to avoid excessive flashes of light that could be triggering for some people. Either way, the "hacks" are most often absolutely ridiculous, no doubt about that!
Ronald, what are you doing here? Don't you have a bike to fix or something?
eckspecially. lol.
Me too
Hello kind sir. Same here.
20% fit up 80% repetition....45yrs experience
Lol my old welding instructor used to make fun of me for bad welds "do you often have problems achieving penetration?" or if my workpiece failed a stress test he'd say "if that was a bridge you would've killed people". One thing I learned to appreciate about welding was just how big of a gap there is between a good and bad weld, and it took me a good amount of practice to get it right. I'll never forget my first good weld, the instructor took a look at it and told me "looks good, now go try to break it" so I went and put it in a vice and spent the next half hour smacking it around with a big sledge hammer. I came back to him drenched in sweat and completely out of breath and said "I'm sorry mate but I can't break it for love nor money" and he said "well that just means you did it properly". I made a face and replied "well you could've told me that half an hour ago!" to which he and the older guys in the class all roared with laughter. I didn't fully appreciate it at the time, but I get it now. The reason he let me smack that piece around for 30 minutes rather than coming to check on me after 5, was so that I'd understand how much abuse a good weld can take. I left that class with it absolutely seared into my brain that a weld doesn't mean shit unless it penetrates. It doesn't have to "look good" (in fact my first "good" weld wasn't anything special to look at) it just has to be strong. If you can do a strong weld (not a pretty weld) reliably and quickly at any angle, then you have what it takes to be a welder.
Lol. Im with you on that. When I first finished welding school and started working at the shipyard my foreman stayed on me for my ugly welds Lol. Most welding courses dont train beginning welders on metal preparation or cleaning rusty joints in my case lol. Since those days I can (eat something alive) now 28 years later lol. That's the term they used for good welders then.
In the world of welding code, a weld is either acceptable or a reject. You can have a beautiful weld fail and an ugly weld last for the rest of your life. Always strive for that X-ray quality weld. You can still pass a certification test with a defect in the X-ray, all depends on if it falls within the code. Ask me how I know. I took an AWS D1.1 3G GMAW-P cert test and still passed the X-ray but had a porosity spot. It was small enough and also was within that 1” area on each end that does not get tested. Passed it and because it was so pretty, my test piece got put on the table of fame at Lincoln Electric (bragging rights for sure 😆🤙). Make your next weld better than your last!
You know I was one of the 3 people in my welding school that passed our stress tests on the very first try for Mig, tig and stick but when it came down to get my welding license they only gave me stick and I swear to God it’s because I’m gay. I was told to my face that if I came out as a gay I would be shunned and ridiculed. To my face they said that.
@@Destroyer0092 don’t be gay.
you made weld breaking tests with sledge hammer and body strength? Oo we had a machine that would push against the welded piece with a certain ISO-normed force. Thought that was standard.
Thank you for the info. I'm a machinist and KZhead knows this, so I'm always suggested those "cold weld" videos. I have little knowledge of welding but those "cold welding" videos always looked strange to me. Now I know why!
What's the best quality drill bit to buy? I don't care about the price. Right now I buy Morse online and I only drill light gauge aluminum. I don't need cobalt bits.
@@georgebuck2269safe to say bro above is capping
Bro that law and order style intro was flawless
As a machining channel host, I totally understand your motivation for making this video. Its unfortunate that people hungry to learn, may embrace bad habits or believe their work is as good or strong as it gets by watching edited videos or ones produced by craftsman with little deep knowledge of what they are presenting. There are many. To anyone that may doubt your observations, pay attention to the smoke. Stay well.
Everything described as a hack or something similar is usually utter rubbish.
The worst part is KZhead does not let you block content creators who you don’t want to view. And Instagram reels don’t show the date that the video was published. Very scary times indeed
@@OligoST the further the newest update of these social media the more it became uglier and hard to read/controll in our comfortable way of using. Just like dislikes and that bug where its hard to scroll the KZhead feed and prevents to scroll down.
@@OligoST Does you tube force you to watch their videos? Even if you cannot block them - don't you have the option of simply not clicking on them to view?
@@kesselrunheroj8497 with shorts? No you really don’t have the option, because it automatically plays when you swipe to the next one. It’s unfair that ordinary consumers are forced to watch repatriated garbage
I welded for Caterpillar back in the 80's. They sonic tested our welds regularly & testing involved slicing out sections & bending them 180*. Cat was serious about quality, and every welder in the shop was a good one with experience.
🆒
I learned welding back in the 80's. My how times have changed. We no longer do a pre test fillet breakover to check penetration ability and we no longer do the strip tests on the butt welded plate. Just an X-ray of the main body on a 150mm butt weld in 12mm plate.
I am welding buckets for every type of excavator (independent design, we make our own). CAT buckets welds hold up, but the construction has serious design flaws, that make them last shorter than they could and complicates repairs. Also, the jaws that connect to the cutting blades are not cut down to a 90 degree angle so that the welds penetrate. The quick connectors are poorly designed and the steel tends to crack on stress points. Worst are original Volvo buckets. They put body filler over their hideous welds.
@@Mp57navy I was straightening Excavator main booms for tree harvesting purposes so lots of 16 to 32 mm plate. Found plenty of body filler in reputable Japanese brands too.
They are even more strict on sites like nuclear power plants. Those seams must be perfect in size, thickness and durability.
I can't tell you how many commenters criticized my MIG welds on 20-gauge sheet metal. It became clear after questioning them, that they expected to see the kind of results you would see form a TIG. Appreciate your channel, and thank you for the education. MIG welding 20-gauge will always be a slow stich weld with a proud weld and fish eye. It must be ground-down and checked (back-side) for penetration. It is not the right tool for the pretty "dimes" everyone wants to see.
I just recently picked up welding again to build some projects. I haven't done it since high school (30 years ago) and even then, it was stick with a buzzbox. I watched a lot of videos on wirefeed techniques, and you are the only one not insisting on doing weaves or other movements like that. I will try your method when I get home!
I’m not even a welder but watching real professional welds is just mesmerizing
Makes me wanna learn to weld just for the sake of having a cool new skill
Honestly learning real welding can be good as there is a shortage of welders so any company looking for welders will take you and want you as a lifelong employee + it does pay good ( long as you know what wtf your doing)
Back in college, I had the privilege of learning to weld in my backstage theater class. It was just a short segment of a jam-packed class, so we didn't dwell on it too long, but I really enjoyed it.
Conclusion: Your weld should always be stronger and outlast the parent material 100% of the time.
it do look ugly tho
My welding instructor taught us that same thing. Said it didn't matter what it looked like so long as it held, you can always put grinder makeup on it later
Makes sense. A structure is a strong as the weakest link and if the weakest link is a shitty weld then that's what's gonna give in first.
Sure, a parent never likes outliving their child.
@@CavemanZerron You can't get a solid weld and look like a pile of dog do, grinder or not. The appearance is also the quality of your weld. Your instructor needs to go back and teach knitting class.
Was Trade School trained in Welding 65 years ago. For a while watching those fake welding , I was for while wondering whether I have been sleeping for a while. Welding Equipment has gone so good and MIG Welding so simple and easy and any Noob can weld that good. I ran a pressure vessel shop and welders must be Certified. Thanks for exposing these fakes.
This was very interesting. I don't weld anymore since I moved off the farm. Thanks for bring back memories, keep up the good work on debunking bad internet advice.
April Fools Day is coming up, would be funny to see a video doing real impossible welds. Something like BOM fixing a coffee mug with welding. Or maybe welding wood. Something tongue in cheek and purely for the comedy. I do appreciate the hard work and great tips and instructions you provide.
I'd had a few beers when I watched that BOM video. Looked real hard and thought "Something's not right"
Could you imagine the time it would take to carve a weld from wood? Then i think youd have to cut a bit out take a shot, cut a bit, shot. Then play the whole thing in reverse.
@@Pupalah or just use hot glue and sawdust
Took a welding certification course in the early 90’s to learn how to use our farm welding/cutting equipment properly. First thing one of the instructors had me do was to weld aluminum to steel, 2 12 gauge plates in a vice. I thought I knew that it wouldn’t work, but tried anyway. Of course it didn’t work, he just wanted to make a point that ignorant info is out there.
Welding wood would be funny 😁 😂
Being a rookie welder but and experienced video editor, I REALLY LOVED this video! Thanks for exposing the fraud!
I picked up a job as a parts cutter at a fabrication shop, we primarily make grills, but also do custom fabs and rim repair. It's a small shop and we lost three welders back to back due to health issues and retiring. Since I was cutting more parts than we needed, the boss asked me if I could weld. Never did anything more than a quick (ugly) patch, but picked it up and have been using these videos and standing over our welder's shoulder to pick up techniques and tweaks to improve my welds. Never knew why fish eyes were so frowned upon and the internet welding community says everyone is wrong about everything always - so I didn't even bother with that route. Glad to find legit information. Most of my welding is 1" square x 1/16" tubing frames, expanded stainless grates on top of them, and 14/16ga sheets for the bodies. I often run into issues blowing through the steel - I assume because most of it is on the edge. Got any tricks (or links to videos) dealing more in-depth with those?
I love this clear explanation of fake vs real welds. We’ve all seen improper technique with the stick welding from other countries. They’re always welding with holes in their gloves and flip-flops.
I went to a company that welded 1inch thick eye hooks to roll cages for special forces utv's. The eyelets were used for parachute attachments to dump it out of a C 130. The contract stated gmaw pulse, their idea of pulse, was tacking all the way across, "pulsing" the trigger. They seemed shocked when i told them they were going to get people killed. Imagine months later when they had cracking and failures.
They couldnt have been that stupid. Im an electrician and have never struck a bead and I know that is wrong.
Oh my god
That sounds like you should've been a whistle-blower mate. That multimillion dollar contract would've been nice to get a piece of AND save American lives.
Oh wow. That's really bad, but with metal that thick, and depending on the thickness of the roll cage the eye's being attached to, it sounds like it might be the wrong process anyways. I probably would have opted for spray transfer to dig in and get a good hold on that eye hook.
There is pulse welding where the machine welds with a different electrical wave length and settings. Pushing the trigger as stated is definitely not proper pulse welding lol
I learned to weld when I was 15. I was doing some work on my frame of a car I was building. I had a friend’s father who ran wire through the attic of my moms house. Then went out an purchased a little 225 buzz box stick welder. I don’t even know if a wire fed welder existed 55 years ago. After about a week went by and me trying to learn to weld. Well you can imagine I was getting no where. Then one evening my mother walked into the garage and said “what are you trying to do???” So I told her. She just shook her head and walked away back into the house. About 10 minutes later she had gone in and changed her clothes. Then she picked up my helmet adjusted the welder a couple of times and away she went. She had laid down an excellent weld. She took the piece of metal over to my band saw and cut it in half to show me the penetration the metal. One thing for sure I had a good teacher. I asked her where in the world did she learn to weld like that? Her answer was. She had to carry several hundred feet of cable up a scaffolding and weld herself back down. She was a welder during WWll building ships 🚢. I was amazed… Then a few years later I got a job as a welder. I was using a wire feed welder then. He asked me where I learned to weld. He really liked my technique. I did that for a couple of years then moved on…
cool mom 👍
@@jeshua09181987 very cool mom!! She also taught me how to fight!! If I was the one who started a fight. She told me when I got home she would lay into me. If I couldn’t walk away from a fight. That’s when I better stop and stand my ground.
@@jeshua09181987 yes !!!
hey stories like this are my favorite ones to find on youtube thanks
Very difficult to beat a great vid that holds your attention with info and humour but your story with your Mom would be nigh on impossible to top. Makes me proud to be a girly girl operating my own equipment! Thanks
Bro made a whole tutorial to prove a point. And I respect that.
I'm new to welding and even so know how poorly those "welds" perform. However, I didn't know that the videos were being further edited so carefully to make it seem like a new technique. I always wondered where the arc flash went. Thanks for the breakdown.
As someone who has never welded, when I saw that BS starting to circulate it seemed really sketchy and didn't make sense. Thanks for explaining this really well.
This video is a perfect example of what it takes to have a good welding Channel on KZhead... Editing skills! Being a great welder isn't enough and in fact won't hardly even get any views unless the editing and the video production is watchable. This is sad but true as many talented people start channels that never go anywhere and it takes someone with multiple talents to make it work.👍
what gets me is that when I call out whatever type of fake craft video that one of my friends share enthousistically, I get shit on with stuff like I'm a conspiracist or I'm just not good enough and jealous I can't pull it off... I'm a pretty handy guy, very good at physics, and I've done photography for a few decades, I can spot editing ''magic'' when I see it... But people don't like being told they're being fooled
I had a good laugh at the hammer when it broke and knocked you out. Another top video yeah I have been seeing more and more of these types of weld videos lately
After 30 years as a MMA and MAG/MIG instructor, it’s nice to see someone explaining the truth about a “cold weld” thank you, it really boils my piss that people put these videos out thinking they are clever
I was a welder for JCB for a few years and they tested our welds every 3 months to Keep quality to a high standard.. Some of the welding you see on social media platforms simply acting as if they know about welding is a joke . I watched a review about a welding machine the other day and he was welding in a t-shirt setting a great health and safety example to people who want to get into welding. Some find it more important to get a video out there than to even look professional doing so.. Great channel by the way
I only did some welding classes in high school (oxy acetylene, arc welding, and tried one of the wire machines a tiny bit) but even from the start I watching those I was like "that just looks like a series of tack welds, those aren't solid."
Wait a minute so you had welding class in high school???
Thanks for this! I was quite suspicious of this "cold welding". I'm thinking, "Where's the penetration. Surely this can't be a real thing?" As an aside, the most crazy welding I have ever seen was when my father in law welded up a leak in a half full gasoline fuel road tanker with an arc rig. He first ran a pipe from his tractor's exhaust stack to the fuel tanker's top hatch and sealed it tight around the pipe, partly cracked a second hatch at the opposite end of the tank allowing a small aperture for the exhaust exit, and let the exhaust build up while also venting the gasoline fumes in the tank for a few hours. Then he went and welded the leak shut. Amazing.
yup alway use exhaust to flush the gas fumes from gas tanks
Even pro welders are never allowed to weld on gas tanks. Good way to get fired. They are vapor degreased and then tested for fumes. I've only read about it.
@@georgebuck2269 i hook up an exhaust pipe to a gas tank to clear the combustible gases , no worries of getting fired as i own my own shade tree
Sounds like Dr strange
Cold welding is real, but it has some requirements that make it impractical as a way to fuse metals here on Earth. A clean flat surface, and a near perfect vacuum is required. Under these conditions metals can weld to each other without the application of heat (at least what us humans consider hot, I don't know if it works at extreme cold). This is one of the many reasons we can't take the International Space Station apart in order to bring it down to a museum on the surface, the parts cold welded themselves together.
I've been welding all my life and I have never heard of this strange edit technique. When I first saw it I was very WTF did I just see!? Thank you for pointing this out!
I am very good at editing but very bad at welding(just learning now) so I have been looking for videos like this because I know how easy it is to fake a video, with minimal equipment you could be standing on the moon wearing a cowboy hat and eating taco next to Neil Armstrong.
Actually, this is not specific to welding. What the author here explained was a concept in the video editing industry called "stop motion". You've seen cartoons done this way (King Kong 1933; Pinocchio 2022; Kubota and the Two Strings 2016; Chicken Run, Gumby, etc). And the explanation here is spot on. It's just instead of a cartoon, it's stop motion in real life. Some non- animated movies have done just this. The effect can be to shorten the clip for brevity, or so that the lighting of the weld does not distract from the project being shown, or to give an idea of what can be done and you are left figuring out the details; which are all noble reasons for doing so, so long as there's a disclaimer indicating that your experience will be very different. I suspect that the author here is quietly pointing fingers at 5- minute crafts or the crafty panda channels, and I totally agree. Some of their videos are outright outlandish, some are funny, some are serious, some... somewhere in the middle. But nowhere is there a disclaimer, and none of their projects take 5 minutes. A good welder should be able to do any of their projects, but beginners will fall flat on their faces, and I struggle to think of how many Harbor Freight welders have been sold because of those videos. Videos like this are great for setting expectations for beginner welders.
@Possum Yeah, I watched a lot of welding videos and realized that some were weapons grade bologna right off the bat. It didn't take long to get the basics. I found a couple good ones though.
@@GuysPlayingWithTools Men on the moon, August of 1969.
The edit is video magic... sadly, video editing has become so easy that it is hard to tell the splices...
Love your acronym!! After 30 years of metal work (mostly copper sheet metal, stainless, and light aluminum, I pretty much never used anything but my TIG machine, and everything else gathered dust, but then I didn't do any production stuff, so..
Smooth is always better in GMAW (MIG) applications. The inconsistences in a weld face could create stress risers in the weld face, this also carries over to the tack and stack methods being that voids are present and create subsurface stress areas. Overall you're giving very good information for the KZhead welders.
The intro had me cracking up!!! Thanks for great content as per usual!!!!
Couldn't agree more. Was good.
I looked after a dozen mig welders and the tools that used them thirty five years ago. I spent most of my time turning down the feeds as they would keep sneaking it up so that they laid a pretty weld over the seams that you could almost pick off with your fingernails. Migs are capable of just laying metal on top of things with almost no fusion if care isn't taken.
Saw that many years ago when I was employed as a boilermaker welder. Eployed a young bloke who claimed to be a "gun" welder. He was bloody quick, welded rings around me. Next day as we were moving his welded products they all started to fall apart! The welding bead on all his welds was breaking away from the parent metal and lifting itself up and out of the weld. He was "invited" to leave. I had to go back and reweld all his work. "Cold" weld, too much wire feed and high speed passes, no penetration at all.
Thank you for a fantastic video. In the past I have done my fair share of welding, mostly TIG. I have also done MIG, Oxy-acetylene and stick. Now to the video. It seems that the only thing that was not fake was the way the person showed the fake cold welds, kudos for the trick photography in the fake weld videos. At last some one that fully understands and knows the fake from real welding. My hat is off to you sir!
Thanks for the lesson. The "Cold" weld result is the same terminology for soldering in the audio component world. A cold solder is a no-no. Sending three thousand watts of amplifier power to a loudspeaker to dissipate the load with a cold soldered connection has the potential to be disastrous for the amplifier. Furthermore as some of these "how to" videos on the tube that show how to weld with a homeowner 120v flux core welder .030 wire on a tandem axle trailer suspension! Yikes. I love my little flux core machine to fix my patio furniture, that's it. You've got my subscription thanks for the clarity.
Good video! For those that are wondering what the specifics of each process that he is describing are: In the grand scheme of things, it goes Short Circuit (Not Pre-qualified in AWS D1.1), Globular (Pre-qualified in AWS D1.1), and Spray (Pre-qualified in AWS D1.1) For the sake of argument, Short circuit is low amperage, low voltage and therefore minimal penetration. Globular is TYPICALLY run at much higher amps and volts than Short circuit (If we're talking Code), many times near a spray, but can be used with the existing 75% argon 25% CO2 mix that short circuit is. It has much better penetration than short circuit, but produces an ugly weld, and a LOT of spatter. Spray transfer typically happens at over 24v and the argon content of the gas mixture must be a minimum 80% argon. For the record, I am a AWS Certified welder, and an AWS CWI. We do a lot of testing at the local VoTech's, and I get a lot of "I saw this video on the Internet"..... Your's and a couple of others are the only ones I'll give credence to and recommend to the Students to watch. Most of the others are just pure garbage, with a lot of incorrect information. Keep up the good work!
Very nice. and we are not even talking about all of the lab stuff, that doesn't even have a specification. Yet!
I've been welding hobby/semi-professional since my mid-teens. I've got the art, but not the science. I can produce strong and presentable welds in almost any position, but I don't entirely understand how I'm doing it so I don't touch anything structural or hydraulic... I would love to get into the actual physics of it and go through certification, but for that I need to retire first...
I was walking around a road coarse one afternoon and saw a piece of metal on the track. When I picked it up I was astonished to see it was a perfect tig weld about 6" long. No other metal just the weld bead. I wounder how long it took for the car to crash.
It was probably a glue-on weld bead? They have vinyl that looks sort of like carbon fiber, so why not fake weld beads?
I once found a brale pad that was worn to the metal and then some laying in the street. Also found a castelated nut! I bet they didnt get far.
In my late teens/early 20’s I was a MIG & TIG welder for a fab shop where I live. We used to build the giant intake and exhaust baffles for Power generation plants (coal fired) and let me tell you- at 22 yrs old, there were so many grown men far older than me that brought their “welding skills” and were fully ticketed that were just horrible at their craft. I was never a top tier welder but I seemed too exceed alot of these older guys that came in with some seriously bad welding habits. We had a weld instructor who was extremely talented and extremely thorough that showed us the ropes to the point that he got everyone up to a very high degree of quality and Im thankful for having learned the craft from him. He was barely 30 yrs old and was far better than all of the guys we hired that had already been welding for many years. Sad to see so many bad ideas/habits in fabrication being posted and celebrated on YT. Thanks again for the great video and thorough examination of the craft ✊
loosening the bolt with the screwdriver and adjustable wrench made me LOL
Maybe if they put as much effort into learning how to weld vs learning how to scam the internet they’d be pretty good welders.
Actually learning to weld properly takes too much integrity and honesty - SOMETHING SCAMMERS LACK, EVEN AVOID AT ANY AND ALL COST🙄
To be a Coded welder with knowledge of many metals and alloys takes time and that’s why it’s a skilled trade because welding steelwork with the mig is classed as semiskilled but a skilled welder is someone who can weld pipework , pressure vessels etc with mig, tig and stick
scamming the internet pays more
Learning to scam is easier and faster and nets you money more quickly if successful It's people with no morality doing a cost-benefit analysis that enriches them and could very possibly get someone killed due to bad welds on their own projects
I’ve taught myself to weld from years of messing around in the shop and getting advice from friends. I’m not a pro by any means but I’m happy to say I’m not a “cold welder” lol just seems like common sense you have to burn the metal in good
Yeah same here - I bought a flux core a couple years ago and I've already welded exhaust with it, and the first welds were... eh... but the most recent ones were actually pretty OK, ones I would show to people hah. It is intuitive after a while (also I read the manual) but I was apprehensive to open a KZhead video about it for the very reason of people faking it for likes. It's almost as if the Internet has become about popularity of videos rather than their correct application... All that time editing instead of practicing lol!
I always wondered how it was done and now you've opened my eyes, Thanks
The most random topic the KZhead gods picked for me tonight. Genuinely fascinating. And the craftsmanship of social media con artists is mind-boggling... On a serious note, and asking as an amateur photographer, what kind of lens/filter combo did you use to capture the insanely bright arcing light? Cheers.
"It's not normally my style..." Proceeds to make a weld that still looks better than anything our factory's welders ever made.
EDIT: Our boss decided to update the company's internal quality standard for welding last week. "cracks in welds are allowed in low-stressed parts" LOOOOOOOOOL We haven't rofled that hard in a while
12/h pay gets you 12/h results
“Having a skill and knowing how to use it.” Well said. I was a pipe welder and I cringe when I see some of the you tubers junk weld. Good job!
New Fav Channel at the moment. Learning a ton and can't wait to go hands on when my new welder arrives.
Love the video editing myth busting. You gotta be about the smartest welder out there… When someone makes mistakes in the machine shop, we say “maybe you’d make a good welder…” 😜
I always call that “catfish welding”those who know, know it’s not real Your videos are always fantastic appreciate what you do and teach 👍
I know nothing about welding, I just love learning new skills. I do love how this video focuses on welding, no bs, no ads (till I had to pause the video at the end to see). You got yourself a new subscriber
Thanks so much, excellent work , this would be a fantastic video for a learners first day , at least after the welding safety lesson which is number one.
This is an excellent about Busting Fake Internet Welds show and we love it!!!❤❤❤
I wont try to pass my self off as a welder, but I did spend some years in Radiography. I worked most of my life in the oil patch. Our motto, "can't cutter, can't stay". A lot of these internet welders couldn't pass a "C" test, much let alone a "B Pressure" TQ. It is such a pretty thing when you look inside a really good weld. It really is art work. Hats off to all the men and women who take the time to learn the trade for real.
I TIG welded Tantalum tubing in a factory and I think there were over six tests including X-ray for the weld.
@@georgebuck2269 Is that the Red Ensign on your thumb nail?
@@jim9337 Yes it is. I don't think it was the official flag of Nova Scotia but it's a tribute to my grandparents anyway. They said "don't bury me with that mapleleaf flag that was made to appease the French, use the flag I grew up with." "It has a union jack on it." I never knew that all four of my grandparents were from Great Britain, and they never mentioned it. I thought they were born in Nova Scotia. They became American citizens around 1915 -1920. My grandfather was a boilermaker, he built steam engines in New York City and other cities in New England and started working for a railroad there in 1920. I always wondered where I got the talent for metalworking from. I was a trade school welder/fabricator and worked in the trade for over 35 years.
@@georgebuck2269 That Flag was the Canadian Flag that Canada fought under. It was The Canadian Flag I grew up with. I was in grade school when we adopted the Flag we have today. It was good to see it again.
Well George, my family were both British and Irish, That made for some interesting conversations. My Grandad, born in 1880 was a boilermaker, He came from England with my grandmother, would have been in the early teens, before WWI. After WWII my dad was a fireman on a steam locomotive with CNR. It would seam our families had some similarities. I was a pipe fitter/ gas fitter, and spent years in the oil patch, in BC & Alberta. I sure understand not wanting to be buried under that maple leaf flag. You take care, and fly that Red Ensign high.
In my youth I was a non-destructive testing inspector, and I can't tell you how many bad welds I made welders either grind out or cut out and do it over again. One time I even shut down an offshore oil production platform because of bad welds as unsafe. BAD welders hated me.
Haha.. same , 27 years ago (wow) I was a weld inspector for a company that made the chassis for the vauxhall (opel) vectra . Was one of the best jobs I've ever had , well paid too . I would have around 6 welders doing the frames and I would check each one . I would say in each shift , 80% of the frames had bad welds porosity being the biggest culprit. It started by me grinding them out then taking them back to be redone . In the end my supervisor, taught me how to weld and I redid the work myself . Man , I need to get back in to welding .
@@slartybartfast6433 Wow 27 years ago would have been around 1995. I bet you the industry has changed a whole bunch!
@@slartybartfast6433 Did you retire or get out of the welding industry?
I was 18 at the time doing a 12 hour night shift . Did it for a few years but in the end the hours were killing me , the final nail was doing 18 hour shifts once or twice a week . Management were really pushy for overtime . After I left I got a 9 till 5 job as a carpenter making fancy lockers for gyms , hell of a pay cut but the hours were better .
@@davidguyette2586 Until you get denied a loan because you lack a few hundred bucks a month. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUU
Absolutely LOVED the Law & Order theme intro!!! That show never gets old.
Great info on fake welding- I was always suspicious on the nice clean welds - like super professional. Your presentations confirms my thinking. Thanks
Finally, someone who called them out with proof, I've had many arguments online about this, but most people wouldn't believe me
Absolutely. When you know welding than you know that thang needs some heat to get it right.
When i first saw this "technique" i thought it looked a bit odd. Looked "clean" as a video but i've never seen anything like that in the real world. Thanks for making this video, clearing up that it is actully just editing.
Thank you!! As someone who knows nothing about welding, seeing these videos with insta-dots welding were REALLY confusing to me. I thought it was a new kind of welding machine, when really it's just them jerking around and doing it in a shoddy way! All my questions answered!!
Nice video, I have never welded in my life but I'm in need of fixing a lot of things around my yard and was thinking about getting a welder mig just sounds more friendly for now but I'm open to learn other forms watching the technical stuff really helps thank you.
The best thing is that one of my lab teacher went around saying that MIG spot welding was the correct way to weld rollcages and that everyone was made like that. Pure rage
sounds like someone should not be teaching welding.
@@speedbuggy16v he doesn't only teach welding, but also cars(engines) and electronics
@@eragonpower2397 I hope he does better in the other subjects.
@@dougankrum3328 did you even watched the video? We are referring to spot welding as welding doing tacks only
Yeah. I'll let him drive the car then. As someone who raced for years, I always built my own cages and chassis.
Thanks for explaining and teaching through all these video I really enjoy them.
thanks for this.. i have no formal training in this and just learn by watching the occasional welder at work when we have a welder come in.. so most of these videos online are very impressionable on me because they look cool and nice.
Reminds me of a few years ago, I made a comment on a channel that had a similar premise, doing wacky welds on things that clearly wouldn't hold, and the author threw a temper tantrum because I said welding chains together to make a handle was a flimsy substitute. It's genuinely surprising how many of these channels exist, both on youtube and tiktok that really try to oversimplify the whole process and then deflect on demonstrably bad methods.
Or you could understand the entire purpose of that channel doing "wacky welds" is just wanting to entertain people and not have to do their very best work all the time. The world is overrun by people like you that take a crap on anyone doing anything fun and try to turn everything into a competition. The problem is the channels that lie about a new technique and pretend to be educational, not the dude making a chain link hammer.
@@goodguyguan3412 The problem with these people making these videos, is that by showcasing their awful welds as "quick and easy life-hacks" could end up getting people hurt or killed, depending on what they're trying to weld. Imagine trying one of the fake techniques on something of greater importance, because of how easy the video made it look. Then imagine that weld falling apart, and hurting/killing yourself or others (maybe it was a tie rod in your car that snapped, or something like that). They NEED to make it crystal clear at the outset that their welds are not proper.
@@bradmccallum1 Dude if they are a untrained novice doing something stupid they are going to do something stupid regardless. Is there REALLY a proven situation where someone watched a life hack vid on WELDING thought "oh let me get this 300-1k$ device and use it with no training on something which my life depends" is there really? Because I'm going to let you in on a big secret if that person has the means and the will they will probably just darwin themselves some other way.
@@goodguyguan3412 welding is a technical process, that's why KZheadrs have to put up a description with age restriction, while Instagram or Tiktok don't have those obligations, which make it dangerous for anyone try DIY jobs, just research Miss Yeah incident, some kids tried and got severely burnt
@@goodguyguan3412 These wacky welds channels are a entry point for most hobbyists, I know it was for me. So if one of them goes around claiming demonstrably false statements about the strength of welds, and a newbie with a bare understanding takes that to heart and then, at worst gets hurt or at best his time wasted, it sure as hell will strike a cord.
2:54 That method or the regular method of MIG welding is also called "Shot Arc" , the wire touch the metal (the crackle sound you hear), makes contact and melts, followed by another bit of wire, touching the metal etc..... , the other method is called "Spray Arc", with this technique you set the wire speed as low as possible, and the amperage as high as possible. With this method, you don't have the typical cracking sound, because the wire only touch once the metal , makes contact and ignite the arc, and the arc is maintained between the wire and metal piece, without touching the metal. This method is only useable for thick metal pieces, the welds have a very deep penetration depth and looks more like a TIG weld. The downside of this method is, if your welder is not configured right (wire speed to low), the wire wil melt itself to the copper tip of your welding torch. Great video. Grtz
the fact that people can't figure out these hack project videos are edited to cut the welds and make it look streamlined as you showed is beyond me...but great video man!
The same is happening in woodworking. Thx for bringing this up man.
This was a very good demonstration and explanation. Good Luck grinding all of those starts and stops as well :) I'm retired Navy and was the Senior Instructor of the NonDestructive Testing and Inspection (NDT) program. I've seen a few weldments in my day. You'd have been a 4956 for sure! Compliments all around!
@Tim Bell Agreed but in a non perfect world sometimes you have to repair, you can't scrap a million dollar project because you made a mistake.
@Tim Bell Magnaflux is a company, not an inspection process. Magnaflux SKD-S2 wants to say hi and will not work with magnetic particles. Magnaflux makes testing materials for both liquid penetrant and magnetic particle testing (this is the actual name of the method).
@Tim Bell Getting that joke to stick is going to be hard work 🖖
Yes Sir!
@@The.Toaster A good joke doesn't always achieve full penetration...
I've got a neighbor that thinks he can weld using this technique. I told him how it took me 3 1/2 years of vocational school before I could get my certification and pass an x-ray. He told me he learned to weld in less than a month watching KZhead. But no matter what you say to people who really don't understand the process they will believe what's on the internet before hearing what you have to say.
So true. And, unfortunately, this holds true for pretty much everything-- not just welding.
You see it all the time. Someone can strike an arc and put two pieces of metal together and think they're a welder. They pull some levers and make a piece of equipment move and think they're an operator. I worked in construction for 30 years and learned to run several pieces of equipment but I'm not an operator on any of them, I'm a runner. There's a big difference. I learned to weld on the job and my welds will hold but that doesn't mean I'm a welder.
I mean I learned to weld through youtube too. But I watched dozens of hours of videos before even trying it, and I'd say about 1/4 of the welds come out aesthetically passable. Now part of that is because I don't have a pile of coupons randomly lying around to dial in my welders before using the real parts. I should note I've done carpentry for 6-7 years, and I still think of it as just banging wood together. I wouldn't call someone who didn't go to school not-a-carpenter. You learn all that stuff on the job anyway. Welding is definitely way more complicated, but in the end you practice, and you get better.
Who needs certified instructors when you have internet videos, am I right?!
@@jims4877 I'm at the noob stage and been there for a year. I only recently got a garage space to practice when I want. Don't worry, I'm not claiming you should hire me for structural iron or stainless pipefitting.
Unreal how many times Ive seen people use this "fake" style of welding in their KZhead videos. I never used that method because I just figured they were too unsteady to run a solid bead, but have seen it many many times. Thanks for the heads up.
Ha! I've seen these weld sequences popping up recently and was pretty dubious. Thanks for the straight scoop!
I was a welder in the navy for 15 years. During my time, we either used stick or tig. Mig was not considered a "viable", process. But if not for Mig, the ship yard would have never met the time constraints placed on them them. Thankyou for explaining, "welding".
You guys did not have access to dual shield? (Gas shielded FCAW)
Like I said, not considered a viable process. This was 70's and 80's.
Mig (gmaw) is still not a viable process in structural welding. The filler material (er70) is too brittle. Mig is for pipe rails, bed frames etc.
Exactly! Was just as quick to use stick(SMAW) for non structural applications.
The Fabrication Series - "if you want it to make it look like TIG you should just grab a TIG and TIG weld it" KZhead "Crafters" - "Wait, WHAT? You can do that? Actually use a TIG welder? We did not know that was possible."
NASA: you welded that with an Everlast?
Thank you so much bro, this helped me understand welding and a lot of the base and other things about it and how it actually works!!!
I like how making the fake weld look pretty on video takes more effort than the actual process of welding.
Thank you! I was a welder for a few years, and I noticed that the process could not be resulting in a good weld, but the end result looks great. And actually for those square tube there is no need to 'stitch' weld it, so it was odd anyway. I did not realize the real welding was edited out, thank you for showing it!
I'm fascinated with welder's ability to move smoothly as they go. I can hold my hand still, but once I focus on a task, my hands have all these little shakes. Meanwhile, my friend's hand shakes normally, but goes into some sort of smooth trance once the spark begins.
I find that my lava pools are straighter after a beer. But just one beer though, after that I hit diminishing returns ;)
That's why most weldor whip. The process doesn't require a whip, it's a method to help keep the weldor's timing consistent.
@@nonyerbidness475 About whips, there is a smaller diameter cable on the last few feet of a lead to reduce weight or moving the electrode around like I was taught. Always called that walking, though. And that walking is what I'm bad at. I shake and lose the gap constantly, either touching the metal or pulling away too much.
"Once the hood drops, the bullshit stops"
@@StapleCactus Also, If you have an electrode and setting that cannot make the bead size then you have to work the puddle but it should be kept to a minimum. I always do a little practice "motion" run to make sure I don't have obstacles. I make sure I'm in a position to see the backside of the puddle and where I'm going. I anchor my body in as comfortable position as I can, if I can. If I have to do a long continuous weld of 5' -10' long, I do a slow heal/toe shuffle instead of an awkward step. I have 4 years to retire and I've been in about every condition with every process you can imagine. I love welding but I just want to do some fishing now, lol. I've had enough.
Fantastic video showing the results of the bend after.
First video I've ever seen of your, currently waiting for classes for the sheet metal union. Going for a fabricator and In this one vid alone there's already a lot of useful info. Appreciate you and your work. Thank you.
Just wanted to thank you for helping me learn how to weld. 2 years ago i bought a AHP 201 that i saw you using in your video and now im welding intake and exhaust piping, making wastegate brackets etc. Thanks again big guy.
hey man i'm in mechanics now and starting to learn to weld and your video helped out a lot thanks brother
Just... thank you. Thank you for this. You need a raise!
Ha! Used to weld in highschool and just found your channel, never imagined how hard it can be to watch a video of someone welding. I thought I had flash burn for a second after watching this. The knee-jerk reaction to look away was craaazy.
Gonna need some potatoes on your eyes mate
Every time i see welding online I instinctively look away, then think "hey dumbass, this is a video".
What? you mean didn’t stare into the welding booths for fun?
The main reasons that a welder would add motion or oscillation to a structural weld would be the obvious puddle control, to use arc force or direction possibly combined with changes to arc length to control heat input and to manage surface tension. Surface tension can be an issue when MIG welding. The puddle is a relatively low temperature and can at times hump up or have difficulty wetting surfaces. I always found that a very small motion allowed the puddle to flatten out for a better profile. Its also far more forging to small changes in travel speed and small adjustments working around obstacles or for a longer weld in position.