Porsche 911 triple test: GT3 Touring versus Carrera GTS versus Carrera T
The Intercooler's Dan Prosser and Andrew Frankel compare three Porsche 911s that look similar on paper, but feel very different to drive. Is the 911 GT3 Touring the best drivers' 911 you can buy? Or is the much cheaper, far less powerful 911 Carrera T actually the one to have?
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0:00 Introduction
0:26 911 GT3 Touring
3:42 911 Carrera GTS
6:16 911 Carrera T
11:03 Conclusion
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I had a 991T and replaced it by a 991 GT3 Touring. Why ? Because the T gave me so much fun, not only in driving it but also in terms of Porsche community, that I thought it would be worth the investment to step up to a GT3T. I am very happy with the Touring and would not want to go back to a T, but if I needed to for whatever reason I would still be very happy with the T. Two notes : I daily drive the GT3 also in the city, not a problem of being to hard suspension, not at all. I learned that the manual gives more pleasure (my T was automatic). My plan is to keep the GT3 Touring forever and put 400.000 km on it in the next 20 year
The GT3 Touring in the UK is virtually unobtainable unless you are a very very “special” customer or prepared to pay way over the odds on the used car market.
yes that's a bad thing. Here in Belgium we can of course tap into the german, dutch and so on cars that come on the market. Nevertheless in the used market there are often only about 15 cars available in all of europe... @@hpman911
according to the journalists, the 992 gt3 touring is much stiffer than the 991 was, i've seen (read) more than one 991 owner that went 992 complain about it
Which city are you in?
@@tkto13Antwerp
The T is for 911 drivers who understand that spending tens of thousands of dollars more for the more expensive 911 versions doesn't give you much more of a difference in performance in the REAL world.
992 GTS lightweight package owner here. I haven’t driven the 992 T or GT3 so I do not know what I am missing but, what I love about my GTS is it really likes to be driven hard. It just never seems phased by anything I ask it do. I’ve spent time in 992 GTS on the track and the street and I find it extremely enjoyable in both situations. I enjoy a car that isn’t so glued down that I can’t get it a little loose at less than race car speeds. I’ve had cars that had such a high grip threshold that they weren’t really fun to drive on the street. I imagine I’d really enjoy the T for day to day. The GT3 on the track. I feel like the GTS is my Goldilocks car.
For the money, I feel the GTS has the most bang for the buck with all the extras it comes with including much more power/torque vs the T.
Really impressed by the Carrera T. Dan had so much fun driving it, and the way the video ended truly shows how much he likes it 😅
Cus he’s an old white frail man. You are listening to his opinion only. A carrera T can never be on a GT3 level. GT3 is for a young man and other cars are for old white frail ugly men
Dan is one of the best motoring journalists around. Really knows what he’s doing driving those 911 around at a fast pace.
He said a GT3 car is too stiff! What kind of journalist says and believes that? That's like saying it's hot in the summer. It's supposed to be.
@@Resist_Oppression .... to use every day he said
Is he fu8k. Sits there waving his limp hand around chatting biscuits. No wonder hes had 20 jobs in 5 years.
@@Resist_Oppression journalists cater for everyone. This might be someone's first video on the new gt3. And to your analogy, saying "it's hot here in the summer" may sound stupid to you, but not to someone who is new to your area.
@@Resist_OppressionYeah I agree but he did say also that it is too stiff for a car that's supposed to be a "Touring" model. It defeats the purpose of the name as he was expecting GTS ride quality.
I own a 992 GT3 with comfort seats and Pirelli Tyres. The ride is not uncomfortable or fatiguing. Compared to other cars I have owned it is not bad. This obsession with Michelin tyres and bucket seats must be detrimental to ride and comfort.
I don't mind watching every single vids of GT3, GT3 touring, GT3 RS or any other GT products; however, Carrera T is the one that I’m hoping to spend hours and hours driving it on the mountain pass 😊😊 Loving the Carrera T, the purity of 911 🎉🎉
Yup, if you are an old fckd man you’ll love the T
The 2024 992T is my third 911 since 1965, and it's the most fun to drive. Simple and 125HP can be easily obtained via a Stage 1 tune if you must have more HP..
😂GTS ist der beste 911 er
This is such a great , succinct comparison between these 3 levels of the 911. Great video!!
Happy to see another vid from Dan. And you always do just the right comparos. This was an awesome video.
Great to see this video. Love the podcast and written stuff, but its great to get some video again!
Nice to have you back And with a car worth the effort . Epic as ever thanks for taking the time to produce this master piece. 😎
Wow, Dan. Been looking for you all over YT. I always enjoy your reviews, mate. Glad I found this channel
Great to see you back Dan! Awesome review.
Brilliant. Hope to see more of these videos!
i think 718 GTS 4.0 has its own special place.....its a 4 liter flat NA 6 and then its comfortable too...revs all the way close to 8000 rpm......magnificant machine
And I actually like the design lines more.
I'm 6ft 7 if only I could fit in one!
+1 ... Viewed this excellent 992 review 5 times. .. One of the best, or thee best 992 review. . Cheers, Vail, Colorado
The T is an excellent car. Most of us won't use 50% of the capabilities for a GT3 or GTS. But I prefer the standard spec of the GTS, and that's what I've requested an allocation for. Oslo Blue
Brilliant video. And so so so so awesome to see TI doing this on KZhead ❤️
I’m so glad these guys are finally getting the views they deserve. You should keep posing more regularly so that you can keep the algorithm happy!
Ive been waiting for a car test like this for ages! All these other youtubers and car review channels boring us with irrelevant content! Well done!
Great work. Really enjoyed this review. Very tempted to pick up a T as a daily driver.
Have owned 2 carrera T, 991 and 992. Best value in the lineup but nothing can kill the longing for a GT3T
Thank you Dan, an amazing video on my favourite car series
Superb guys really enjoyed that honest test and conclusions made. 👍
This is the best 911 review I've seen on youtube. Great work guys, I'm subscribing. This video was confirmation that my recent purchase of a Carrera T was the right decision, can't wait until delivery day!
@a004 - congratulations on the T! I’m thinking of pulling the trigger myself. How’s the road noise in your opinion, esp with the reduced sound deadening in the car?
@@radans99 you do notice the increased road noise. It's not a big deal for me, especially when it allows you to hear the engine more. But could it be an issue on a long road trip? Maybe. I have still yet to test that out. But overall it's not a deal breaker or major issue for me. What is a major issue for me is the back up camera, it absolutely sucks. So make sure you spend the extra money on the birds eye view 360 cam. Also the stock sound system is a joke. I don't listen to music but if you do, you have to upgrade to the bose. The stock is unbearable. Other than these two issues, the car is amazing.
Fantastic comparison of three incredible Porsche models! Each has its own unique charm and capabilities. The GT3 Touring with its naturally aspirated prowess, the Carrera GTS balancing performance with daily usability, and the Carrera T offering a more raw and visceral experience. Kudos to the team for such a detailed breakdown. It's amazing to see how each car shines in its own right. Porsche truly knows how to cater to every enthusiast's desires. 🏁🚗
T raw and visceral ?? compared to what the GT3 ... keep smoking
Brilliant video. Excellent, refreshing content. Thank you!
Thank you for recapturing the spirit of British motoring journalism. 🏎️
in real daily driving condition when factoring road condition , comfort , drivability , practicality , i sincerely beleive its Carrera T is capable car that deserve more recognition in 911 family just as the stig in Top Gear. i won't be surprised to find out in few years that total production is even less than GT3 992 . great video that highlight the underdog
Love the video format team!
I wonder if the fact that the T is lighter and also has smaller brakes and more normal seats also contributed to it feeling a bit more compliant. Smaller brakes means less unsprung rotational mass which means better ride quality.
Nice balanced review, and more proof that all 911s have their appeals. That said, I’m not trading in my 992 manual GT3 MR for anything else. Not my daily by any stretch, but it’s phenomenal in the right half of the tach. Truly stellar.
I been waiting for this comparison
I’ve had a 2018 991 Carrera T manual with rear wheel steering for the past 5 months and it’s blown me away. For all the same reasons Dan cites for the 992. You just don’t need more on the road and because it’s 380bhp (whatever you do DON’T chip one - you’ll spoil it) you use all the revs and all the gears. SUCH a fun car. Nice video Dan & Andrew - keep ‘em coming! 👍🏼
Same here - I love mine.
My dad loves his!
That's nice that you got the rear wheel steering
I'm curious about your "DON'T chip one." We have an APR chip on our Audi TTS and are very pleased with the performance. My first car was a 1957 Speedster - things have evolved a bit since then.... -Steve
Same here I love mine, carrera T
Please can we have more video content from you two. It’s great
Great video, brilliant insight.
Great review guys.
wonderful video! ive had a 992 carrera for 2 years and it is a peach! great road car, exactly how you decribe the T, never felt a need for more power as a road car...
Brilliant comparison, excellent quality! Shout out for the podcast as well with Andrew F! Keep the vids coming Dan 👊
Amazing video! It's so refreshing to watch a very well made car review in the old-school style again that I'm missing more and more as KZhead videos keep changing and moving away from the traditional format. I kind of agree with this verdict, I think the Carrera T offers the "affordable thrills" (affordable by supercar standards) that the old, bare-bones RWD Carreras used to provide, which the GT3 Touring does not because it's got so expensive and hard to acquire for one thing, and it appears too aggressive for road use. However, I don't like that it's widebody now since Porsche just canned the narrow body 911s. I really think the T would've been even better if they had kept it a narrow body.
I recently purchased a T and I was worried about it not having enough power. I wish it would’ve had just a tad bit more but other than that I’m happy with it.
Fascinating ! If I could (in my dreams), I’d choose the three. The Carrera T because it’s the purest and probably the closest to the spirit of its ancestors ; the GTS which I drive regularly (in 4WD configuration), appreciate and enjoy very much ; the GT3 Touring for its elegant yet powerful looks and of course the fabulous 4.0 aspirated flat-6, while aware that the car is not a practical daily driver on poor roads. But now that the 911 S/T has been unveiled, I think that despite the inconveniences (and the price), this one would be my ultimate choice (in my dreams 😄).
Great content guys, wow. I agree when I reviewed the new touring it was stiff for public roads, and was not a huge fan of the clutch engagement. Love to review the manual T, but I would order (if they let me? a GTS in PDK with an aero kit. New sub keep making amazing content like this! 👊
Brilliant review👌
Great to see you again Dan, missed you. For me watching youtube car rewiews I always feel that its not about the car but about the guy behind the wheels.
Gentian blue, tan interior, oh yes
Couldn’t agree more. Tan heritage? Now we’re talking
awesome... the best 911s in this generation, together in one test. awesome!
Thanks for the comparo!
Liked and subbed! Great job
Of course the 385HP in the 911 T is enough.. I mean almost 400HP, only a few decades ago that was the power of a 911 Turbo.. You do not need more on the public road (unless you live in Germany and driveon the autobahn a lot) and you can revv it out more with less risk of losing your license.. It's more fun that way.. Less is certainly more in this case..
Good job guys!!
What a beautifully shot video. Agree with all said here. GT3 cars are a little hard to live with, GTS is as powerful as the GT3 but delivers power completely differently. Carrera T is just the best.
I was just thinking about how you would agree Nick!
N/A or GTFO
Agree. Love your videos Nick. Your content is another “go to” for me. Love the real world stuff
And if power is ‘THAT’ important a $2K tune will help to give the T the power you need. Love it!
I’ve just traded my 2022 Macan GTS for a new Carrera T , pick it up Wednesday 🥳
A friend of mine has the T and just wishes it had some sound to it. I’m so glad my 996tt does it for me😊
Brilliant video 🎉
Have a 991.2 T and absolutely love it for exactly the reasons you both bring up. Was going to go the GT3T route and glad I didn’t .
Having said that hardly anyone can actually get an allocation in the UK for a GT3 let alone a Touring unless you’re prepared pay a massive premium in the used car market.
“glad I didn’t” ……. lol
Honest@@brianhimmelman420! Having the GT3T in metroWest Boston would only serve to drive me crazy bc I'd never get it near it's potential. Maybe 9k in....1st. Maybe. Had a Ducati 999 and felt the same way. -- Instead, for the same price as a GT3T, I got the T , which I can push, and a Raptor. 100% feel like that combo is better (for me) than a GT3T.
Thank you for an honest review. I ended up getting a T and cancelling a GTS order. I just wanted a passionate driving experience. If I was still doing track days regularly I would buy a GT3, but not touring (despite loving the way it looks without the tail). LOVE my T.
I changed my 991.2 targa gts pdk to a carrera T with manual transmission, and it's much fun to drive even in daily traffic. Less is more in this case. 😉
@@ss-mw9dj Well, fair question although I don't think it's really a matter of "better" but rather, what flavor suits your use case and desires. For me I have had G50 Carreras for decades and love the visceral experience yet is a very drivable car on the street - it's just fun. I wanted that in a modern Porsche and honestly the T is that and more. The thinner glass, reduced noise insulation, and lighter weight delivers that. Despite it having the "small engine" it's still faster than anyone can truly use on the street. (I live at the base of HWY1 in California). The T also has PASM with fully adjustable suspension and sits 10mm lower than the GTS. To my knowledge, sprung the same as the GTS. And yes... it's cheaper - to buy, to maintain (think brakes, etc), to register, etc. Again... ultimately it's a personal choice 👍
@@ss-mw9dj Wow... why so unfriendly? I literally said it was a personal choice. I also said, "to my knowledge" when referring to the suspension. I did do a lot of homework over the last 30 years of owning Porsches and through the process of spec'ing, ordering, and acquiring my 2023 Carrera T. And BTW... The T suspension has a lot more in common with the GTS (minus the helper springs) than the S. See 3:20 in the Smoking Tire review kzhead.info/sun/gNyIpN1srKx9jYk/bejne.html. Bye.
@@ss-mw9dj Like I said, it's personal choice. Porsche makes more variants of the Carrera than any other car model so customers can find their own flavor. The T is a hidden goodie. So is the GTS. Just enjoy it and stop worrying about what others may choose.
@@ss-mw9dj 😂😂😂👍🏼. I’ll be sure to pass along the message at our next club meeting.
Have a Carrera T on order and delivery date of December 23. Was initially unsure, feeling a little more confident, great report.
Getting my T in this week just hit the US port I got rear steering too. Gentian Blue manual .
I’m lucky enough to have had 9 911’s to date including a 991 T a couple of 4S in 997 and 991 specs, three GTS’s Including a 992 GTS Targa I’ve recently sold. I’ve also had a bogo 992 too so done the rounds. At moment I’m just about to buy in 992 guise either a 22 plate GT3 Touring, a new 992 T or a a five month old 4S with full sports pack and aero. This is best review I’ve seen but boy has it thrown me!!! Damn you guys.
Fantastic video! I strongly agree with the verdict, as I would also order T, if I only could… need to work a little harder to save up;)
Great video guys. What tires were on the GT3 you tested? A friends GT3 was delivered with Cup2's, and due the car being used mostly in cold wet Scotland, he changed them to PS4s. The ride and busyness became much better. I'm sure their could be an interesting article for you guys in a tire ride comparison test!
I think the big issues with the GT3 ride are tied to the use of track-oriented tires. PS4s are perfect tires for road driving, though when it's cold (10C or less) in Scotland, you may need to also think about winter tires.
From what I’ve read the GT3 Touring has an identical suspension set up to the regular GT3 so any difference in comfort is purely down to the choice of tyres.
@@glennhavinoviski8128 +1.. Agreed.. Winter spec tires and/or tires commensurate with ambient temperatures is critical.. Ask me how I know.. Cheers, Vail, Colorado elev. 8,200ft .. Re: '98 Carrera C2S (993)
The T is definitely the sweet spot: (10mm) PASM, LSD with Torque Vectoring, Sport Exhaust and Sport Chrono package, ALL standard, nice! "Porsche. Kicking ass with tiny little flat sixes for over 60 years!" Beeindruckend!! Cheers
T doesn’t come with torque vectoring plus. GTS does.
No the Gts is the Sweet Spot
Well done fellas
Today is my birthday, I like Porsches and this is one of the best things I could see released on this day 😂❤️ P.D. Sometimes less really is more, and that's why I love Porsche "T" models so much, after the GT Cars, the "T"s are my favorite 🥰
Really good review and I’m not surprised with the verdict. I came from a Jaguar F Type R to a 991.2 Carrera and never felt like I was missing out on pace, power or fun (only noise!). Even then the basic 911 is a real peach. If I’m just a tiny bit critical of this review, there’s zero feedback about how the cars brake and how tractable they are out of corners. Nor how with that, they can carry momentum and difference between keeping the NA on the boil with its higher powerband versus the different challenge you face with the less responsive 3.0 TT. All in all, a really enjoyable review though.
@matt1081 +1.. Well said, agreed.. Cheers, Vail elev. 8,200ft
Would like to hear your comments on the GTS without the lightweight package... specifically how it sounds with more insulation, thicker glass, etc.
The T is the best everyday car, and great fun, the GT3 and GTS has more power of course, but you don’t often get the chance to use it unless you are going on track days.
Brilliant. Hope to see more of these videos! Yellow is the correct color for the T 🍌
Would love to know what/where these roads are!
Ģreat film. Well shot. Very well edited. And 3 Porsches, well, whats not to like on a Welsh road??
Was a very good clear video comparing all the cars. They are all RWD. I would go for the 992 or upcoming 992.1 911 Turbo S £180.6K UK MSRP. Or one of the Panemara Turbo S (Coupé or Gran Turismo) with the Lamborghini Urus/ Bentley Bentayga; Audi RSQ8 VAG 4L V8 bi-turbo engine. Or the two body styles: Coupé or Gran Turismo with the Panemara Turbo S E-hybrid at 700 PS the most powerful model Porsche make. It’s the Bentley Flying Spur for less money: Top Turbo S e-hybrid £149K.
@TheIntercooler Honest truth: Was having a lovely run over that road on that very morning. I’m well-used to dodging sheep but as I rounded a bend, I found a real-life Frankel meandering across the asphalt. 😂
Always the base engine in manual with all the GTS bits. In other words, the T. True for the Cayman too.
It would have been very interesting to throw in a Porsche 911 Carrera S (w/ a manual) in the mix
This guy is pretty good! Reminds me of Jensen Button🏎🤣 Porsche FTW! All flavors! ✌️🇩🇪
Glad I just bought a Python Green aero kit T for my 26th Porsche. This car checks all the boxes for the street.
I had a 991 Carrera S, which I loved, but it was almost too compliant. I was looking for something more raw as I already have a Lexus for my daily driver. I'd be perfectly fine with a rough-riding GT3T. In fact, the 991.2 GT3T is my semi-realistic dream car.
911 T everyday and don't need worry about the allocation from dealers- trying to sell you Porsches you don't want, or need. Love the yellow as well.
Rented a 911 C2 cab from Porsche Stuttgart and drive through alps. Very enjoyable. I still like my 2023 corvette for loads of grunt.
“Not everybody” = “almost no one”
That Carrera T still has slightly more power than an original RS4 B5. And that was rapid! I know as I owned one at the time they came out.
Porsches are known to punch above their weight also so it will feel a lot more than 380
@@SenszRyes didn’t Nick Murray dyno test a base Carrera and it actually produced around 425PS? It would appear Porsches marketing men decided 385PS was a low enough figure to quote to encourage most buyers to spend more and upgrade to S or GTS models…
The GTS is the T with the power (and torque) you may want later.
The T is so appealing because it does not put you in a position to lose your driving licence. You can push it within a reasonable speed range and it does so because the chassis is so overengineered for a car with that level of power. Its balace is amazing.
My base 2014 Cayman w/ 275hp constantly puts me in a position to earn a few driving 'points' ;-) My daily driver and sees the redline regularly. These are Beasts!
@@hangpilot1200 .. +1.. Positively.. The 992 base or 992 S model will get you locked up,,,, equally.. State Police radar does not discriminate.. Cheers, Vail, 8,200ft elevation.. Re. '98 Carrera C2S (993)
Well said. Yes, the GT3 is a halo car as far as being a bullet-proof track weapon, and the Touring edition is great for those who don't want to advertise, but then it's not really a good touring car anyway.. I suppose the rarity is also what appeals to wealthy consumers, just as the new S/T is the stealth GT3 RS.. But as an actual car that most of us would enjoy driving? I might go for the GTS if I were looking for a turbo model, but I also like the Carrera S which has more than enough power and has the luxury/daily driver thing nailed. I just got a 718 Spyder, which, so far (it's not yet broken in) is just about perfect IMO. I wouldn't want a stiffer-riding car for just enjoying on the road, I found the GT3 too harsh on anything but great road surfaces. Those are nuances that aren't talked about much on youtube videos, where massive hp and ridiculous 1/4 mile times/drag races dominate.
As they say, it's more fun driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
Great review. I have a 992S and much prefer it to the GT3 and GTS as the ride quality is better. For track use those are better, but IMHO as a daily a T or an S are better options.
“Harry” tested the GT3 and was very concerned about the stiff set up and tramlining.
Great video, it's long been time people realised you don't need 500bhp on the road, let alone 1000bhp like people seem to be aiming for with every modified car on the internet. 350-400 is ideal. The T is the car I'd go for, with all the lightweight options if I was spending my own money. Partly led by budget, partly led by the fact that it's just my kind of car.
Depends on the weight 300-400hp is not ideal by now an m3 is well over 2 tons
@@pipolebnene 1705kg for the current M3, not quite "well over" 2 tonnes now is it
@@gtclubuk Per Car and Driver, the 2024 M3 Competition xDrive is 3990lbs. That is pretty close to 2 tons. And dang I can't believe it weighs that much, that is ridiculous. My 2015 VW SUV only weighs 3400lbs
Can u have the Engine of the GT3 in a 911 with a softer suspension? Cuz it seems sad to give up the soundtrack cuz of the suspension
Andrew Frankel is such a great automotive journalist
Less is more sometimes. Great comparison.
I have a 991.2 manual gt3. The ride and suspension is outstanding even on rough roads. Haven’t driven the 992 gt3 for comparison- but from what I have heard including a performance driver instructor who has owned both the 991.2 is more street compliant- he also said his lap times (and this guy is good) are about the same in both cars - seems to me the 991.2 gt3 is the best of both worlds..?
The ending... 🤣🤣 I'm used to old, harsh cars, so I wouldn't care about the suspension on the GT3...that engine is just too good.
great summary Gentlemen!
Good review although you said the Carrera T pulled through the midrange because of the turbos? 7:50
143, 122 and 103k are academic. I’ve a T on order and it’s a bit of a struggle to keep a spec I want below 120k. Waahwaah… first World problem, but just making the point that there’s no such thing as a list price Porsche. Nice to see Frankel, interesting views on the 3 cars and whilst I’d absolutely love a Touring, I suspect that as a car, I’ll enjoy the T more often than I would an appreciating asset. I’m not that into a GTS tbh. Too much of everything for me.
The sheep on the sides of the road are freaking me out!
Brilliant video, I’m a firm believer in less is more. Slower cars can be driven as spiritedly at safer speeds. That said, I yearn for GT3. #manlogic
GREAT review. I'm picking up my Gentian Blue (like the GT3T shown here!) Carrera T at PEC in Atlanta in September. Psyched.
Them sheep right by the roadside whilst he’s bombing down the road in a GT3 touring got me wincing 🫣
I have driven my 992 T for 600 miles and the RAS is unbelievable. I have many older 911’s so I was a bit nervous ordering a 992. I was in the wait list for GTS and just couldn’t get an allocation. It is hard to spec a GTS under $180K. My T before the price increase came in at $150k but i wanted leather, sport seats, RAS, spider wheels, etc. Knowing what I know now I was blessed to get the T because it is the perfect car for me. It makes great sounds, ride is comfortable, handles on rails and is nimble and light. You cannot spec an s with lightweight glass, less insulation, lightweight battery, no back seats so the S is faster but doesn’t have the character of the T. Luke another KZheadr car reviewer said to sell your S and buy a T. I didn’t want huge power for the street. I have a race car 911 and want a car that i can wind out on the street. These T’s are dynoing around 420 HP and all Porsches are underrated from the factory. I am so glad that so many reviewers are realizing that we need a car we can actually drive for the street and not the track. This reminds me of my 993 but in a more modern form.
I don't have the driving skills of a sports car driver/car tester,I won't be going for any track day not drive along winding roads like you guys but I do love 911s so I'll take the GTS pdk rwd with rear seats.thank you