Toyota GR Supra vs Nissan Z | A Real JDM Battle
We compare the new 2023 Nissan Z against the 2022 Toyota Supra. Which sports car will prevail, the Japanese-inspired German Supra or the pure-bred Nissan Z? With nearly 400HP and a price tag of around $52,000 these may be the highest performing cars for the price. We drive the street, track, and throw them on the dyno to see which is king.
Thanks to AMS Performance, AFA Performance, Nissan, Toyota, Dan Passe, Jonathan, Bridgestone, Autobahn Country Club, and Britt Casey, Jr.
#cars #supra #nissanz
Index:
00:00 Intro
00:58 Interior Impressions Nissan Z
2:28 Interior Impressions Supra
3:57 Mechanical Impressions Supra
9:33 Mechanical Impressions Nissan Z
12:39 Dyno Results at AMS Performance
14:58 Nissan Z Automatic Street Drive
20:20 Track Driving Impressions Nissan Z
23:51 Track Driving Impressions GR Supra
26:58 Final Thoughts
28:09 Britt Casey Jr Lap Impressions
29:49 Supra Final Thoughts
31:02 Nissan Z Final Thoughts
33:46 Laptimes and GR86 Impressions
36:51 ???
That ending is *chef kiss*
I kinda didn't understand - should I buy armada-cologne or not?
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@@rosgoncharuk2403 Yes
Dudes still in bed at 3:13 pm 😂 get movin!!
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I really appreciate tracking both with the same tires. You guys really went above and beyond for this testing.
Yea, all the big publications just complain about the z's tires. Nice way to set your channel apart.
Agree. Tires are such a huge variable that testing 2 performance cars on different tires winds up testing the tires as much as the car.
Deciding between Supra vs LC500 which one has the more comfortable ride / quieter interior?
@@Fasty2107 lc500
@@Fasty2107 the bmw
Mark bought out by Nissan + Jack bought out by Toyota = 0 bias. Maximal profits and maximal journalistic integrity.
I havent seen mark since Nissan dropped off a gold platted Nissan Cross Cab.
Mark prefers the old school sports car feel. Jack likes the new tech. Z wins in my book.
And the winner is Civic?
Where is your proof or did you pull that accusation out of your ass?
At the end of the day only one was built in Japan (kept its heritage) and the other is built in Austria (sold out its history, 98% BMW parts) So the true JDM vehicle is the Nissan Z.
I own a GR Supra was so happy to see this comparison done with equal tires. It was hard to come up with a fair test on other channels when the Supra had the Michelins and the Z had the comparatively wonky Bridgestones.
As an amateur pest removal professional knowing the Z can hold two cans of Raid is a huge win.
I'm a pest control pro too. Great industry!!!
The early 90s Konami-style fonts and music just hit all the right nostalgia notes. There's a group of us that will always have a soft spot for that era of cars and video games, and your attention to detail in bringing that in to this video is fantastic. Great work.
Agreed! Can’t get enough generic synthwave myself. Also, the transitions to smoooth jazz are a nice touch😎 @savagegeese please put your track selections in video descriptions so I can listen to it in the car while visualizing my success as big shot Nissan influencer like you and Jack. Charter flights, the finest premium Uni, and crates of Odeur De Armada are in my future, I just need the right tracks.
That was selection screen music for Streets of Rage
@@zockheem SoR2 specifically. And if that's the game, have to go Axel
@@richardbixler I want the Murano cab on his screensaver
@@zockheem Unknown boss car approaches... *SOR boss music plays Supra and Z : "why do we hear boss music?"
Dont any of you EVER apologize for long videos. It is truly enjoyable, informational and educational quality art that i get excited for and only wish for a blessing of more to spend time on watching. Thank you for the long video.
I like that as an editor you don't stick to the same rigid format over and over. You take risks, and fortune favors the bold. Ive noticed the photography improve significantly in recent years. Its a pleasure to watch.
My favorite thing about this comparison is how happy I'll be with an 86/BRZ knowing I'll never afford the Supra or Z.
I feel that too, I’m really happy with my new 86, I don’t think I’ve ever enjoyed a purchase as much as this.
Yeah, the Toyobaru was the stealth winner of this comparison.
Give it a few years and you might get a decent deal on a lease return
Never say never! I bought a 2019 BRZ and then traded it in for a 2021 Supra. Never thought it would happen!
I hope you like RTV in your oil pickup. Don't park it in your garage, either, or it might burn your garage down.
Boss told me to take the day off. Got my hot coffee, crisp cool morning and now a savage geese upload 💯
Lucky you 😑 lol
Every free Friday needs a little goose in the caboose to get it going.
@@perfectogaming5240 eh I work Saturday lol, still a lose for me
@@MasterMalrubius amen 🙏
Good for you! Enjoy you lefty
Guys your videos are so in depth. There's no other channel like this. This channel has really grown on me. Keep doing what you do!
A video is never too long if it has useful, well constructed information throughout. This did. Nice job.
Refreshed ten times to see when this vid was uploaded. You guys are way too underrated. I love the technical analysis embedded with high brow humor. thanks guys for all you do.
Best car review channel, hands f-ing down. I hardly watch any others anymore.
Nothing says high brow like Mark cramming blow up dolls into a trunk :D
Lol I love the low brow humor too
Finally a comparison with all cars using the same tire! Thank you!
This is why the 86 is a great car. I wanted a car I could thoroughly enjoy on weekend jaunts. I wanted a reasonably priced sports car and tried a Miata, but was to uncomfortable in it. GR is fast enough in the curves and gets constant looks and praise from others. Totally happy I saved big bucks and have a car I can really enjoy and am excited to own.
Agree, one doesn’t have to spend a fortune to have fun.
all this about its fast enough is just negative slave programming to convince us that mediocrity is good. Soon there will be no cars, you will own nothing ,have nothing, and you will enjoy it.
Dont forget the BRZ. I find the tuning of that one from stock to be more enjoyable.
@@ianstone7629 they're the same exact car though, why do you prefer the BRZ over the 86?
@@jesterokjones4954 they are diff tuned suspension. BRZ is more comfortable daily driving and I see no lack of responsiveness at the limit. In addition, Subaru dealers are much better to deal with. I found Toyota dealerships to be asshats and Toyota corporate to be very ok with that. Exact opposite from Subaru
As a "car guy", this was a great video. You do a great job of covering the information i WANT to know as a car guy- and not just the information theyd share at a press release. Going in to weight distributions, putting the cars on equal tires to test them- Great video.
This is by far the best auto-related channel on the platform.
ALL FACTS 👍🏾
I would have to disagree
only halfway through and you guys consistently drop gems. Thank you! Glad to see the 400z holds up.
Who would've thought that eating Arby's will make you drop gems!..
It only hold for a few years... then it fall apart like a 90 years old gramp.
The engine is a masterpiece for a V6, but the rest of the car is a step behind the BMW.
@@zinny999 What?!!! Are you sure you're not talking about the BMW? 😆
@@dragospahontu And yet every tester says it's (the Z) a better driver's car.
Having The same tires was such a nice detail to be added! Thanks to that the results are more accurate with a fair comparison! Really love this video since I’m in the market and these three cars are the ones on my list! Thank you 🙏
Another amazing video from you guys...it's clear just how much work you put into these videos and we really appreciate it!
I know you guys keep saying that your video was long but the way you guys make your videos makes me feel like it’s not dragging on and on. I watched all 38:15 minutes of this and I wasn’t bored one single bit. Thank you for all you do. Your attention to detail never goes unnoticed.
That is 28 minutes too long
Yesssss❤
This is one of the very few car review channels that I watch till the end of the video and enjoy. Top-notch video production, well thought out explanation, and not irritating music but way underrated channel. We gotta help these guys to reach one million subscribers. So whoever is watching this without subscribing, just hit that damn subscribe button!
Great video! Thanks again for taking the time to edit and show us the key differences on these cars!
The CrossCabriolet background is the best part of the video. Actually the whole video is the best part of the video. Great work!
This is why you guys are the best car review channel of all time. This level of detail, evaluation, and consideration of these two cars can't be found anywhere else.
Really good idea to show the lap times between the GR86 and others. It’s going to be interesting to see how it compares to other sport cars you review.
Also the Nissan Armada commercial at the end - that was the best part of the video.
One of the best videos from this channel yet. Keep it up guys! Love it!
This review was incredible!!!!! THE ENDING 😂😂😂. Great Job guys!!!
The most underrated auto enthusiast content on KZhead, I said what I said.
Underrated? Have you seen a channel ratings list? Is this just based off subscriber numbers?
@@K03sport YES. They aren't even in the top 100 for automotive (that counts views oe subs), kinda complete BS. Should be at least in the top 25.
That's why we're here
IMO, Savagegeese is the best! The honest and the cinematography is extremely special. The chemistry between Jack and Mark is also something very rare whether on YT or off.
Holy smokes guys. Epic, epic video. I’m so glad someone out good tires on the Z. Those stock Bridgestones are trash.
I had Bridestones in my nismo years ago, yes those are trash 🗑
I heard with upgraded tires it beats the Supra. Now I'm confused.
Phenomenal content, as usual gents. Love seeing these 2 beasts on the roads once again. I was 16 in 98-99 and got to see/grow up with the 300z and Mk4, and then shortly after they disappeared. Fastest car I've been in to this day was a 1995 300ZX TT dyno'd at 574.8rwhp. Hope these stick around awhile. One may be in my future once my 17 Camaro SS gets to it's twilight years. Cheers.
Recent subscriber. Really enjoy the multi layer analysis. Great thought process and rich intellectual multi layer bias from all angles covered. Top notch. Thanks. Appreciate everything I've seen.
I like how title went from "Germany VS Japan" in the post credits scene to "A rEaL JDM Battle" irl. Nice touch 👌.
The ending is worth more than whole episode
Art
@@savagegeeseit is... beyond art
The ending was out of control... you guys are the best channel out there!
Great video thank you guys so much for putting out such awesome content I know this took a lot of work to do.
Really well done! I appreciate bringing in a pro driver and using the same tire so the comparison wasn’t just about tires. Thanks for being thorough!
Even the little touch of doing the brake pads on the Z! Very smart and light touches to make sure we can get a sensible approach. Focus on the main components powertrain, suspension and chassis.
So much for it just being "tires".
You guys at SG (including all the behind the scenes folks we don’t know about) are the absolute BEST in the business of car education! Toe to toe with Hagerty and Jason! Love love love your work, I was a service writer for 18 years as a first career. Started in 1997 when the first ITRs came to Acura. Man those were the days! Keep up the great work!
No hate to those like Hagerty, but honestly I'd really with people would stop comparing them to SG. Jason is all theatre and show which I know people like, but SG is pure driver impression and analysis. Everytime I watch a Hagerty video, I feel like he's trying so hard to overemphasize everything that it feels unnatural.
And the amazing part is they are doing it with probably 1/10 the resources that Cammisa gets with Hagerty
@@yaboiyosef7640 My favorite series of Jason's is definitely Revelations. Icons is for drama, if you like an action movie sort of video. They're both for entertainment for sure, but it's nice he does both approaches.
Love the intro, keep up the amazing quality!
Great video. 👍 You guys go above and beyond. Thank you for the amazing content.
As a previous owner of a 1st-gen Z, I agree with Mark concerning the old-school driver involvement feel.
I seen the GR Supra rolling in real life a few days ago … it has such a presence on the road. Looks absolutely stunning
Park it on empty lot and see how many people come by drive by to check it out it’s insane! Literally can’t park anywhere lol 😂 attention insane feels like u in mclaren or Ferrari
I was all in on the Supra - until I sat in it and felt so claustrophobic... Had to go the gr86 which although smaller feels more spacious (and honestly, it drives amazingly).
@@MKu64 indeed Supra is 2 door no back seats sports cars it’s made for not so tall or big people and it’s hard to see out of it unless u short but gr86 is great sports car hope it’s manual auto is waste of money
@@bman1668 Yep Manual 👍
@@MKu64 good choice! Love the new gen! Looks way more slick than new z lol
answered all my questions, awesome job!
Great finale! You got me to subscribe... at last! You almost had me with the Alf wallpaper at the end of the wrx video months ago. You've got great content, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
honest to god the production quality is insane. thanks for the 38min of entertainment and greetings from singapore
I've tracked my Supra and my Gen 1 BRZ a fair bit and all the observations in the review are so accurate, the GR Supra is much twitchier than the BRZ and takes a lot of concentration and work to drive at the limit and keep in control where as the BRZ is so much easier to drive fast. I really look forward to seeing the new Z at the track and I hope I get a chance to drive one too!
Duh, you got twice the power and torque. Of course it's twitchier
@@dannyd7714 it's also a shorter wheelbase.
I was just really surprised to see the 86 with half the HP and a little less weight put down around a 1% slower time. That's a crazy good value compared to the 400z
@@dannyd7714 it’s mostly about the much shorter wheelbase not the power.
@@iSOBigD super competent car, the added torque across the power band makes the car surprisingly quick at any technical road course. A friend who had a modified 86 (all the bolt ons, suspension and aggressive camber, 245 RS4s) bought the new GR86 and put the same lap times down in the totally stock GR86 as they were doing in their modified and tuned gen 1.
Great comparison video, you guys really went the extra mile for it. I can see you’ve already pissed people off! Nice work! I don’t think people realize you have to maintain good relationships with these brands otherwise they won’t send you cars to review.
That arcade intro was awesome. Quality all day! Liked!!!!!
I've been waiting since my Z January pre order in Canada. It's a sad wait but I'm gonna stick it through. Thanks for helping tide us over in the meantime! Your efforts are appreciated 😀
Y’all’s comparison here is unparalleled. Absolutely great work and love the insane effort put into this!
This really is incredible content. Much appreciated.
Great video, I loved that you went that far, incl. using the same tyres. Well done.
Thank you for putting this comparison together. Like myself, I'm sure there are some folks out there debating which of these to waste their money on. I like the longer format videos you guys produce. Keep up the great high quality content gents!!!
Finally. I’ve been waiting so long for a comparison review between these two legends reborn to be in deep detail, in the way only Savage Geese could deliver. Considering the minds behind both Nissan and Toyota’s sports car development, its interesting to see how they played out almost exactly like the historical versions did. The 4th gen Supra and the Z32 still had these same contrasts. The Z was heavier, the Supra more power, but the Z more traditional sports car and the Supra more insulated. Akio Toyoda and Hiroshi Tamura’s team to this day created competitive awesome cars
damn man how far you guys have come from the days of the FRS!!!!! awesome man absolutely amazing
Thanks for the detail comperison ..... awesome video!
Giga premium boys. I appreciate the detailed explanations of how each car feels paired with the visceral visuals and sounds. It massages the imagination in such a way that almost makes you feel like you are driving the car. I love both of them. Being a gentleman of a certain age I’d go with the Nissan for sure. I really dig the blue chew interior. I’d put a nice katana hilt decal at the end of each blade on either side of the car. Impatiently awaiting the next video. Keep it up!
I passed you guys on 176 in my red E60 M5 while you were testing the Z (in case you spotted one). I almost crapped my pants I was so excited to see that car. Thanks for the great content as always and I hope to see you guys out on the roads again!
176...in Surrey ?
May there be more subs and therefore more money for SG, these guys should be earning hundreds of thousands a year for what they're doing. Thank you SG. Best auto channel on YT by far.
Glad to see the channel poppin. Good Job fellas
The thumbnail video is the luggage trunk test. This is what the people want. Perfect.
How this channel isn't at a million subs yet is beyond me. Amazing quality as always, what a pleasure to watch. Thank you!
Highly entertaining and informative. Hoping that it was as fun to make as it was to watch.
Great Video guys. Keep on following this format.
Nice to see you guys at AMS. They did some magic to the VR family of engines and have quality parts available as well
"the hatch allows me to put real items like my suitcase when I leave my family" - best way to describe hatch space
What a great video.....thank you Mark and Jack.
Came here from the Z documentary, nice work on both videos! Makes me want a Z now! (And Jack, nice Cheese Bar shirt, greetings from Des Moines!)
Another really great, high-quality video. Good job, boys. The New Z docu was great too. Thank you.
Did I just see a stunt double??
Yes, when you have an insurance policy on your shoes, ankles and genitals they dont allow you to do risky moves. So I had to hire a double.
@@savagegeese do you need any more? Stay safe!
Looking forward to seeing Jack's gorilla double in the future.
@@savagegeese you gotta join scientology for the Tom Cruise stunt specials Also thanks for arguing such finer details, that I bet a set of Stainless lines to the rears only on the Z would change it on threshold. I would never get that insight anywhere else. Thanks!
BRZ86 is the gorilla in the room here.
Simply the best and thorough review on not just 2 but 3 cars.
Mark and Jack, Another Masterpiece, very, very well done. It doesn't get much better than this. Great comparison video, in depth, in my opinion this Motor Trend level. Love the editing work as well, the arcade machine JDM vs JDM. Most important, great job being honest. It makes me sad the Supra is basically a German car, it is synthetic, I would have like to see Toyota do it 100 percent their way. Happy Nissan is keeping the Z alive, and doing it their way, that is the one I probably would go with, however for 50 grand The Mustangs, Camaros and Challengers of today have improved so much over the years. I enjoyed how at the end you included the 86. 86 and BRZ are fun cars, however in that case I may go with the hardtop Miata RF. You guys covered this so well. Great job once again and I will always support this channel on Patreon. Mark, Look Forward to hopefully one day a Rotary Engine/ Mazda RX-7 in depth video. I know it will be great. Thanks for the hard work and time put into this, take care, Rich p.s. People if you like this channel show some support on Patreon. These guys are leaving us a great library of information on these cars, trucks, vans, and suv's that they review.
You guys make the best automotive content on youtube and it's really not even close. There's one other channel that probably rivals you in production quality, but you guys really stand out in the time spent expanding on the intricacies on the technical side and what it means to actually use and own these vehicles. I also really appreciate your sense of humor and showing yourselves which keeps it fun and real, without making it all about you. You've threaded the needle between education and entertainment and in turn made the perfect content. Keep it up! P.s. I'd love to buy a shirt when they are back in stock
@23:34 Funny, I personally I absolutely love that about the Supra. The short wheel base combined with the mountain of torque makes it feel very rear driven for lack of better words. I can powerslide all over town in it and that *to me* is one of the reason the Supra is such a fun street car. The razor sharp steering, great exhaust note, snappy trans, comfy seats and everything else are just cherry on the cake.
Agreed. It’s so much fun on the streets, endless smiles man 🔥
I've been trying to understand which car I would prefer since I don't mind modern stuff due to some of it being surprisingly amazing while I also enjoy older because I learned to drive and still prefer manual transmission, despite also loving how snappy and quick some of these newer automatics have gotten... so I guess I'll just have to quit while I am ahead and go find me like a $80K more expensive mercedes or just outright say screw it and go for even more than that... after all, can't get enough... then I also need to get about $100K to add mods and another $50K+ to fuel and maintain it, and all of that in cash so I don't have to care about any depreciation, then build it at a legendary tune shop, then I will be set for a while... now first I just gotta make that cash real quick and I wont have to choose between the Z or Supra since I'll just find a clear winner in an entirely superior price bracket lmao... why do they make it so hard to choose... could save me so much money... Edit: I found what I want, I think... The new Porsche 911 GT3 Wish me luck making that dough, it seems I will certainly need some...
Amazing video as always. I love how you guys get into the technical nitty-gritty with a splash of feeling. Both cars are amazing and it really comes down to what your wants are. Do you want a track car you can use on the street ala Supra OR do you want a street car you can track (Z). Personally, I lean more towards the Z. But now that I think about it, the Supra is great for drivers (like me) who has always wanted to own a BMW but didn't want to pay the BMW tax.
Hilarious ending Mark. Great job boys
This is peak SG, thank you for the amazingly detailed and informative video!
Great thorough review as always. Man, the post review video was epic. 🤣🤣
Y'all's sarcasm and humor make this the best automotive KZhead channel out there. Keep up the great work, Geese!
Omg that streets of rage man too me back great music and video
Outstanding work 👏. Thank you for bringing these awesome videos.
Yesssss been waiting all week for this one. Keep up the great content
I love how I can feel when you guys might actually get into a legit fight lmao. Bet it happens off cam. You guys are the most genuine and genuinely amazing car channel -hands down.
Thank you for such excellent presentation as always! flash backed me, learned how to drive on my brother's 240Z.... marvelous car 😃
You guys knocked this out of the park as always!
Great job team. I really enjoyed this one and I know how much time and effort it must have taken to put together. I appreciate all of your hard work! And, despite being a BMW owner and fan, I agree with Mark on this one and would rather have the Z for all the same reasons he mentioned. Cars that talk to you and react in an organic way to driver inputs are all too rare these days!
Thank you for testing both cars on the same tyres, how all tests ans comparisons should be done. Even the possible brake fade issue resolved with superior oem pads. As always very entertaining and interesting to watch.
Yup superior pads, higher quality brake fluid with higher boiling point
Seriously guys, thank you for having a channel that is this honest, real, cool, and disinterested in being an advertisement. You both are AAA.
Another great video that highlights the true differences between the two cars. I didn’t know about the fueling issues with the new Z, that is a pretty big issue for me. I like to live my life one quarter of a gas tank at a time…
Only an issue if you're cornering super hard. 370z had the same gas tank and I just never let it get below 1/4
PrideAuto makes a pick up tube in tank for the VR30 that basically eliminates this fuel issue. I have it on my Q60. Super easy to install and I did a upgraded low pressure fuel pump too.
The Z has a "saddle bag" gas tank. This is only an issue on long sweeping right-turns at high speeds. I've never noticed it on the road, even flying dangerously through mountain passes such as Sitgreaves Pass in Arizona on Old US 66. Z1 Motorsports sells a kit for $550 that is supposed to cure the issue.
I feel bad for your fuel pumps
Right? All that supposed care put into the Z and they left a well known design issue. That's modern nissan for you I guess
It’s so wild when a new video from a KZhead channel can make you feel giddy like a new episode of your favorite show just dropped.
How the HELL are you not over 1 million subscribers? Wow!
Great video. Thank you guys for the content.
Great ending. No need to apologize for length of the video, you can make them an hour long and I would watch every second.
I'm still drawn to BRZ/86 (despite the silicone thing). Sure, knife in a gun fight, but I don't plan on getting into any fights. Plus I have a use for the back seats. 🏁
FANTASTIC video! Man, hagerty needs randy to do a back to back on re71 rs tire with equalized pads/brake fluid like you guys did. SO SO great job guys! best video so far.
Well the supra was stock pads, the z was upgraded pads and fluid. Not really the same deal here
You guys had me with the Streets of Rage 2 select screen music.
Love how much fun you guys are having in the driving impressions. D-mode - what’s that stand for? 😂
Loved the intro, especially because you used old school video game music…which sounded like Streets of Rage! 👍🏼🤘🏼✌🏼
Fantastic video, Gents! I loved all 38min of it!
Killer intro! That music went perfect with it