The Doberman Dog Trade Of China 🇨🇳
In this video, we explore the reality of the Doberman Dog Trade of China. We visit a Doberman kennel to see what it's like for the dogs living there. We speak with one of China's top Doberman dog breeders who was able to show us around.
Dogs don't have a good reputation in South East Asia. In this video, we try to change that. We ventured out into the mountains of rural China in a disclosed location for this one. I hope you guys enjoy the content...
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0:00 Intro
2:00 Doberman Kennel
9:55 Play Time
13:45 Puppies
14:45 Ear Cropping/Tail Docking
21:40 Dog's Dinner
24:45 Leo
Still way better than many backyard kennels in Eastern Europe, Ukraine, etc
Maybe we can check those places out one day 👀
I am watching again ❤ it's great when you show us how different breeds are bred in different countries ❤❤❤ please keep up the great work 👍
Thanks Donna! Appreciate the support 🙏🏻
£50,000 is an absurd price. The best Dobermans can be purchased for $15k to $20k so even if these are elite or world class they shouldn’t cost more than $25k-30k MAX. Now if they were trained then yea its easy to see why they’d cost that much otherwise no chance.
A lot of people have said the same haha. I’ll have to find out next time. I know some of the dogs get trained for shows 🤔
@@WesleyWinter.He's showcasing to the western world of course he's going to try it on some people will buy at that price more money than sense.
Haha yeah some people from China even buy it. That’s the world is these day
Great video and a committed breeder!
Thanks man, appreciate it 👊🏻
Great video ❤ I enjoyed it very much and had to subscribe...I have a Doberman myself and their one of the most intelligent dogs I've ever owned.
Thanks a lot! Appreciate it 🙌🏻
@@WesleyWinter. you're welcome
As a man that has owned five Dobermans, I can truly say that what I just witnessed is truly barbaric. First of all, here in America, a doberman's tail is docked within the early days after birth. From what I saw in this video, the man is performing an amputation on the tail. The dog may not be a newborn, but it's big enough where it's just like having a limb amputated. Again, truly barbaric (SMH)
This CHINA after all. Why does this surprise you? Chinese people aren't the most emotionally sensitive. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Do newborn puppies not have the ability to feel pain? Interesting how your morality works…
I was told it was due to the weather. It was way too hot when they were puppies that’s why they waited apparently. This was filmed during the summer it got to 30c+
incredibly much less traumatic when puppies than at the time shown in video. Obviously you are not for docking & cropping at any age. That is alright. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Yeah, that's the sad side to it I guess. Thank for watching guys! More videos coming soon 👊
intresting video . but they seems to be like backyard breeders . here , in India dobermans tail is docked within a week to 10 days of them born . please make more dog kennel videos from china if possible . also try to find some ethicals one's
Thanks for checking out my video man. I’ll try in the future as and when. I’m in the process of making some similar style mini documentaries
Im curious how old those pups are, here in California vets wont crop past 12 weeks usually because the ear's cartilage hardens after that point and the ears wont stand up.... the tails are usually docked before 5 days because the nerves arent fully grown at the tail yet and it stops phantom pains....
They’re were a couple months old I think. Apparently it was cos it was so hot outside they waited to operate on them. Thanks for checking out the video 👊🏻
The vet I went to in Riverside CA said dogs ears can be cropped up to 2 years of age but it’s best to get them cropped as quick as possible to have a higher success of them standing up. My Dobermans tail came docked but I decided not to crop his ears because of how much work it takes to constantly take time off work to see the vet once a week for 8 months. Each ear posting costs 75 dollars. Procedure is 1700 the add the posting once a week that’s an additional 600.
California also put water meters so they can tax us on water 😍
Tail is docked at few days old cause its still carilage and after that theres more nerves forming and the bone starts to form
I live in China and my friend tried to get into the trade. I lived in Huang Shan which is a small area and my friend had a pet shop. Nice enough guy but he got a doberman with no idea how to handle such a dog. sure enough it became a bully and aggressive. Needless to say within a year he was breeding the dog and had changed his wechat name to doberman kindergarten. He was given dobermans to anyone who wanted one and im pretty sure he gave one to a guy that I know cant care for a dog. That being said as I paid attention to his wechat I realized that this man had been dealing with financial problems for a long time and the dobermans got him out. He once had to sell jewlery he gave his wife to pay bills and the dobermans allowed him to buy his wife new jewlery. (If you are familiar with chinese marraige culture you understand the importance of this). I think he has since changed his name back and isnt breeding. I never supported his doberman business and dont really support his shop anymore. But I understand why he did it.
Wow, that’s a crazy story! It definitely seems like a lucrative business. I’m sure there’s a lot of stuff that happens under the table in the trade. Thanks for sharing mate 👊🏻
Bro got queezy during the cropping 😂
was a hard watch in person 😅
2:38. I think that's the first time in my life I've seen a Doberman without a docked tail and pointy ears
It was my first time seeing that as well 😧
The USa is one of the only countries where cropping and docking are still pra Cticed because of the AKC show ring. In Europe it's illegal to crop or dock dobermans ill take a natural tail and ear dobe any day
Yeah, there’s not that much difference. They look great either way. Just personal preference I guess 😅
Thanks for checking out the video 👊🏻
In UK they only passed the law forbidding tail docking in 2006. Not that long ago either.
Interesting, that’s still quite a long time ago
Not illegal in all European countries, the FCI just banned showing for cropped/docked dogs born after August 2016, regardless of origin.
So the one thing I did not gather from this very informative documentary, is if there is a big difference in taste between the doberman and say for example the golden lab aka "chicken of the sea".
I wouldn’t have a clue mate 💀😂
can your next kennel visit be the via felicium kennel in Russia saint petersburg??😊
I've never been to Russia! If there was an invite, why not 😅
@@WesleyWinter. maybe ask them;))
can you show the wesite or a link i can communicate with the breeder i am look to buy a Doberman.
If you notice how calm the dogs are in a cave style kennel. Like a den with larger breeds.
They’re really friendly dogs to be around. Just a bit restless when meeting strangers haha
Have owned dobbies since 1990. They have all been European dogs and just the greatest most intelligent animals. They tend to be one owner dogs very loyal and have a protective instinct for the family and property. They require lots of stimulation and structure as well as exercise which is usually playing fetch. Get video.
Wow awesome! Thanks for the support Paul, appreciate it a lot
J'ai besoin d'un couple de Doberman ❤
Wild I’m 22 mins in and I haven’t seen one person smoke a stoggie
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@@WesleyWinter. you know it’s true almost all Chinese folks smoke back home
I still enjoyed this Video, so thank you. We just had a Doberman Puppy show up at our house. We're going to keep her. Already been to Vet for Vaccine ect.... Our Vets here in America are a little Cleaner and Safe here I'd say??? Smiles,.. But those guys seem to know what there doing. Thanks for this Vid Brother... Blessings and Shalom!!!!
Thanks man! Just want to show different sides to life on this channel. Yeah, the standards in America would definitely be a lot different. Thanks for checking out the vid, all the best with the puppies. Merry Christmas!
@WesleyWinter. Blessings Your Way!!! Thanks Again 😃
Great video and it seems like you made it with the best intentions. Sadly the focus (from the audience) is on the docking and cropping aspect, which to be fair happens in many countries but personally I think it’s cruel and totally unnecessary. Keep up the good work 👊
Thanks man and cheers for the support. Yeah, I guess that was the most “shocking” part of the video. Glad you recognise what I was trying to do though haha 👊🏻
Hi the video is informative. But can you reveal the location and the name of the breeder?
Not only Doberman you'll find many breeds that you never heared before like Chinese red dog, chinese German shepherd, Various mixes and Bandogs they're importing Bullykuttas (sindh mastiff) from Pakistan and India to create better Fighting mastiffs. But they also spoiled some breeds by poor breeding methods like German shepherds and Tibetan mastiffs.
The Chinese bulldog I forget it's name
Unbelievable smart protector
Thanks for checking out the video man 👊🏻
5:43 thought I heard it……… then she said it again!!!!! Nikki Minaj shape 😂
One way to describe it 😅
Dog factory? Panda factories. In most countries you need to be a veterinarian to operate on dogs.
There's definitely no panda's there 😂he was trained, you have to be tough to be dealing with blood all day long
lmao at that lady's poor joke attempt "the ass is too nicki minaj" at 5:28
You must be fun at parties
Tails are docked at 3 days old
I’ve been learning this through you guys haha. I will let them know 👊🏻
Usually tails are docked between 2-5 days from birth. This is done this early since there's still no nerves on the tail. Some breeders may opt for a later date due to weather and health conditions. It would also require anesthetics if done at later date usually 3months or older which is considered surgery already. Both are ok since it is the “Breed Standard”. Nothing wrong with what this breeder has done. This is not a PET breed. This breed is made to guard, protect and attack.
Interesting 🤔 appreciate the support 🙏🏻
They actually make amazing pets. But as any breeds - they have specific traits and needs that have to be met to make them so
Was this for sell to restaurant or to guard?
They’re all sold as pets or as show dogs
As a Dobermann owner myself, I would be interested to know the bloodlines that they use and what kind of health testing is standard in China.
I believe most of them were from Serbia 🤔
Thanks for checking out the video
very interesting that they can command such high prices over there, as that is where you get the cheapest dogs within Europe@@WesleyWinter.
@@blackathirat yeah, everything from abroad is actually more expensive in China. What I've noticed is Chinese people are usually willing to pay a premium for most things from abroad
That's how it goes with foreign products in general, anywhere. What I meant with my comment though was how it was interesting that Serbian lines are going for so much, as opposed to lines from elsewhere in Europe. It wasn't very clear from the video explanation what influenced the price tag. I'm competing in dog shows myself, and I know that these lines are not necessarily winning here in Europe, but I suppose the breed is not as popular over there for it to make much of a difference. @@WesleyWinter.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge wish us ❤ I am not anger with you I am anger at the system 😢
Thanks for watching 🙏🏻 haha don’t shoot the messenger, I want to show you guys some interesting places
Tail docking and ear cropping is *banned* in most of Europe and in Canada for a reason. Besides the absolutely horrifying amputations happening without a legit vet though this seems like a fairly normal breeding kennel (that is a borderline puppy mill because responsible breeders do not keep THAT MANY dogs.) *Truly responsible breeders do NOT crop ears or dock tails without true medical justification* (such as the condition 'happy tail' where the dog keeps breaking its tail by wagging it against hard objects like tables. In this *rare* situation, because the dog keeps repeatedly breaking the vertebrae in its tail, docking is justified.) $1,400 USD is pretty cheap for a purebred puppy; these dogs seem well bred conformation-wise and they look healthy; they probably eat a better diet than most dogs in North America!
Thanks for the info and for checking out the video 😁
I’ve had 4 dobies over the years. Ears and tails cropped and both not cropped. We have TV shows showing people willing to sacrifice and save a whales life in the middle of the ocean from poachers. I think we need some agency or something similar to that but for dogs. This happens all around the world and in 2024 I can’t believe this is acceptable. In the states at least we are professional veterinarians who do this for the most part. This is never easy or humane, however at least we have a standard and respect the animal to a certain extent and not treat it as a commodity rather than a life/family member or pet. To me this is just ethically and morally wrong like most things China does, I guess this shouldn’t surprise me.
It’s sad, why do they cut their tails like that and at that age, barbarian.
Also the ears. The dogs are perfectly fine with natural tails and ears.. that's so sad. 😢
She just said the ass is too nicki minajeeee lol
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doberman getting softer not even barking at strangers
they calmed down after we were there for a while 😅
Dobermann are not the type of dog that barks a lot. Normally itis the small dogs like Jack Russel terriers, that barks a lot.
Jack Russel's are so hard to control haha. All bark no bite @@johnsongobiao252
They’re not chihuahuas
The dobermans know not to bark when the owners are around and the owners are acting like it's ok for the guest to be there so the dogs aren't stupid enough to continue barking.
First of all this man is not just a breeder u can see he has love for the dogs , he goes to shows , an not all places have kennels like this , nice job , to bad we don’t see more place that dedicate time an energy this much
Agreed, some here only thinks that all dogs should be kept at home, saying that the conditions for these Dobermanns are harsh. These dogs may not be house pets but they are definitely well taken care of for their purpose. The fact that they go to shows means that the owner is developing the breed according to the standard which was set by experts of the breed. These dogs are probably genetically tested to produce the best specimen of the breed.
@@dAdiBlue For sure, I was quite surprised how serious the operation was. I really wanted to do a follow up video as I found out the dogs all get professionally trained. Hopefully in the future
Wow the tales are suppose to be done at 3 days old before the tail is fully fused to spine and the ears before 12 weeks or it is so much more painful. I appreciate the video but wow.
No way, I didn’t know that. I guess they breed so many puppies it’s a lot to get through. It’s just the one vet who does it all. Thanks for checking out the video 🙌🏻
@@WesleyWinter.Yes, tails by 3 days old,and ear crop at 12/14 weeks
Interesting! Thanks for the insight 👊🏻
I lived in China for a long time and I believed Doberman’s to be illegal…guess I was wrong. Interesting watch. I am a dog trainer, I like Dobermans a lot.
Glad to hear man! Thanks for checking it out 👊🏻
They are illegal in the big cities, not the countrysides where these kennels are kept
If you have enough money, nothing is illegal in china
@@godswittness69 hahaha
Whats the name of the kennel ?
Borui Garden 👊🏻
@@WesleyWinter.i googled them , they dont have any facebook or instagram !
Yeah, it’s hard to find them cos they’re on a Chinese app. I think they have Facebook let me check. Do you want to get in touch?
Usually tails are docked between 2-5 days from birth. This is done this early since theres still no nerves. Some breeders may opt for a later date due to weather and health conditions. It would also require anesthetics if done at later date usually 3month s or older which is considered surgery already. Both are ok since it is the “Breed Standard”.
@@WesleyWinter.how can we buy a dog from them
It’s filthy it’s a puppy factory! In Australia this place would be raided by RSPCA or AWL & police the dogs would be seized & owners would face prosecution. I bet they are breeding back into the same bloodline.
The standards in Australia would be a lot different compared to China
Not it's not. It's well kept for China. They're very well fed.
@@TedH71 no quality of life living in a dog pen! Dogs are social creatures they thrive being part of the family they need human interaction. Don’t try tell me they aren’t breeding back into the same bloodline, this is t nothing but a puppy factory pumping out litters.
@@WesleyWinter. hey Wes have you thought about going to India they have puppy farms the pups are kept in small cages!
I don't think so.. This is a proper kennel since he follows the "Breed Standard". If your country has prohibiting laws then this breed is not meant for your country.
Ohhhhh, danmmmmm, dogs actually survive in china ? I thought that they were the main menu 🤔
Haha not on the menu in this video
@Wesle😂😂😂😂😂😂yWinter.
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You're talking more about Korea.
I wonder where do you get those kind of news, must be full of fake news and full of generalisation. It's known that not every chinese, Korean, parts of SEA people eat dog meats; only in some areas that those people are eating dog meat as part of their diet; just like not every Japanese eats dolphin meats.
Its not worth 60k. Even a show euro dobe is not that price
Lol... And yet u have AM Bullies being bought from oversea customers costing more than that. 6 figures.
@@mryang3644 the dog market is crazy!
Thanks for making this video, as it gives a good idea of how China’s Pedigree Kennels are. Must be really difficult finding such a breeder and accepting not everyone will approve his dogs’ treatment, especially living in old barren kennels and all the cropping. But, if you ask me, I don’t think he’s overall good since the breeder seems very professional and his dogs look well cared for. The fact you can happily play ball with them also shows they’re well socialised, something important when breeding guard dogs. But, I think dogs like this shouldn’t be sold to just anyone since, like all guarding breeds, Dobermans have strong protective traits experienced owners can only manage. So, I’m sure not all this breeder’s Dobermans went to good homes and some might end up part of the China’s dog meat festival since that’s also where owners can “surrender” dogs. But still, this kennel still looks far better than some I’ve seen on KZhead. The worst one don’t even have a giant field for the dogs to happily play on and they just spend 24/7 in jail cells or cages.
Thanks for checking out the video man! I appreciate the feedback, I was quite lucky to be able to film at this place. Hopefully I can do a follow up video in the future
哈喽 兄弟 期待你再来中国青岛 品尝啤酒和烤肉
Thanks man! I’m sure I’ll be back again someday 👊🏻
Whats the name of this place?
Borui Garden
It might be hard to find online
I thought these dobermans was for dog food
Chinese breed anything, for money. I use to own 3 Dobermanns. No one from China. They breed a lot of innocent dogs just for theire Meat. Look at the Four Paws Instatution. 😢😢
The dogs in the video weren’t bred to be eaten, but there are some places that do
Zo vreselijk om te zien hoe die kleine pups aan bonken gesneden worden en alleen voor schoonheid! Om maar niet te spreken over de risico's van onnodige narcose 😢. Triest en het zou over de hele wereld verboden moeten worden!
Tail docking if done no more than 5 days from birth is fine.. There's no traumatic pain since the nerves on the tail has not grown yet. You can't do it past that prior to 3mos of age because you can't administer anesthetic to new born pups. Again. this is a proper breeder since he follows the BREED STANDARD. They're bred to protect and attack/bite. They were not bred to be pets. Get a diff. dog if you don't have the knowledge in taking care of this breed. Any guard dog breed with the wrong owner is very DANGEROUS.
Great video. Very transparent and informative to non-breeders.
Thanks for checking out the video bro! You definitely know more about dogs than I do 😅 appreciate the support 👊🏻
Pups can have anesthesia meds under 3 months, ear cropping is usually done at 6 weeks around here.
Pups can have anesthesia meds under 3 months, ear cropping is usually done at 6 weeks around here.
Pups can have anesthesia meds under 3 months, ear cropping is usually done at 6 weeks around here.
😔 puppy mill sad
Don’t be sad mate
Ist nicht böse gemeint , aber Leo ist maximal 10 Tausend Wert. Für 30.0000 bekommt man ein Top Elite Dobermann. Leo ist kein Elite. Sry, aber trz machen die das gut .
Interesting, a lot of people have said similar things. It’s crazy that some people are willing to pay that much for dogs 😮
It's sad that they eat them there.
Luckily Korea has put a ban on it
@calmob4 right this vid is totally showing them breeding to eat….. right so sad you are blind and deaf
It is unbelievable to me how people can appreciate these dogs having their ears and tails cut off. In an unhygienic environment like this as well. No sanitation whatsoever. Not even gloves being worn. All for the sake of an animals look. Please don’t believe the bullshit „it’s a requirement by the German standards of the breed“. It is illegal to do that to any kind of dog in Germany, Dobermans included. Because it is cruel animal abuse, that’s all. Imagine being anaesthetized in someone’s living room, no monitoring of heart and lung activity, them cutting your ears off, you not being able to walk properly after because a part of your body is missing. These people don’t love the dogs, they love the money they can make with them. Otherwise this wouldn’t be done at all or at least it would be done professionally. They don’t give a shit if one of the puppies dies during the procedure or after because of an infection. Don’t tell me shit. I‘m sorry.
That’s the reality unfortunately. Some owners will buy them when they’re a puppy that way they’ll have a say if the ears get cropped or not. Thanks for checking out the video, appreciate your opinion
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Doberman Sandwiches
God help these Dobermans.
Leo is beautiful strong great body chino les 👆
I would never buy a dog from this kennel.
How comes?
due to the precarious facilities, lack of asepsis in veterinary procedures, this shows a lack of care for the dog.@@WesleyWinter.
due to precarious facilities, lack of asepsis in veterinary procedures, this demonstrates a lack of animal care.@@WesleyWinter.
Doberman has no fur on their skin. They are oily.
Why is eating any animal a negative stereotype?
Depends on the culture I guess bro 😅
Is this a joke them dogs are not a good representation of breed
They look like normal dogs, what's wrong with them?
As far as the dog meat industry. Not saying it is right or wrong. Just saying it is part of survival and I wouldn't make it a part of my daily diet. Too much of anything can be bad for anyone. Most people are just trying to do there best in life. In unrecorded history, Pretty sure all of our ancestors have done this to survive.
I agree sometimes people don’t understand how hard life is and they just eat anything to survive sometimes they eat it I don’t even like it
Espero que não os comam aí na China 😂😂
Not in this one bro haha
You can see the coc lol Shes funny
Haha she’s so blunt. There’s so much I have to edit out in other videos cos people might get offended 😂😂
I love it , it shows other cultures around the world are not so diffrent from eachother :)@@WesleyWinter.
Haha thanks for checking out the video 👊🏻
They still treat them like shit🤦
Not from what I see. I've seen far worse in the USA. The dogs are well kept. Well fed and their kennels are clean. No poop, etc.
@op just like how your dad still treat you and you are 50yrs old virgin 🤦♂️
No training for a $60k dog?
The owner was saying the price is based on their appearance
Their primary stud dog I imagine is not one they're eager to sell and we have no idea if he has training or not. What appears clear is that all the dogs are socialized with humans. This is in truth NOT the case in many kennels inside the USA. Regarding the tail docking, yes it should probably be done at an earlier age as it is in many other countries but at least they're using anesthesia when they do it. So that's good at least...
@@savevlad6912 yeah it wasn't like a state of the art facility. I thought at least they have a great big area to run around in unlike a sort of battery farm. I should've asked about the training in the video. I later found out they have a contact with a dog trainer. Would've been cool to make a video with him if I had the time
@@WesleyWinter. It looked extremely spacious, with that huge run also - probably more than one big fenced field to run in. The dogs looked like they all had indoor barn kennels with our door runs, etc. The dogs all looked healthy. The food looked pretty nutritious. Rice is actually often recommended by vets for dogs with upset stomach. Rice is also a common ingredient in good dog foods. So rice and meat isn't terrible at all. The dogs looked socialized from each adult to every puppy. Most breeders absolutely do not have state of the art, so to speak facilities. Many breeders have a lot less luxury for their dogs in truth and many breeders have breeding animals and puppies that are not all so socialized and friendly.
Se ven mejor con las orejas enteras igual que tu
This is a joke mate, their not professional breeders just rip off merchants
How, in what way?
some niggas seem to be jealous at chinese ppl 😂😂
Lmfao.. u got dog breeders here in the USA thats the same... not professional. Lol.. Same crap
I think the guy meant to say 4w not 40w. 4w is the going price for a show dog that goes to CKU shows frequently. I know I breed samoyeds in China
The heathen would know cause he lay with dogs everyday right mate 😂😂 these people are very professional dog breeders im a Hebrew american breeder and i know so stfu ...the bible call u heathens and everyday I see why 😂😂 the colonizer heathens is what's wrong with the world
I don’t know but that might be incredibly racist. What exactly did he say “ I know when you hear Asians and dogs you think they eat them” ? LOL Wow!!!
Lol I’m Asian but it’s something that I’ve heard people say unfortunately
Never buy. Dobe from there...nor anywhere near by
This guy knows nothing about dogs.
He knows how to run a business that's for sure
but knows how to make money
At least wear a f gloves 🤯🤯🤯
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Poor animals
Why?
Do they eat them..asking again..and all Asians don't eat dog
I didn’t say they eat the dogs in the video 😅
Hope they will not eat them one day!!!
Dogs are friends not food
@@WesleyWinter.. Dogs are food in many parts of the world
@calgal5752 Yeah, unfortunately
This is disturbing
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The concept of higiene is very different in china. The kennels are filthy
Yeah, there's less regulations in general I think when it comes to most industries
If you think China is bad look at india
When you have to believe between what you are seeing and what they are saying doesn’t allow you as a human to make sense of any such abuse being remotely possible. 🥲🥲🇦🇺🇦🇺
Thanks for watching! All the way from Australia, wow 😁