Bronco Breaking Tie Rods in Uwharrie OHV area wheeling with Legend Vaughn Gittin Jr
2022 ж. 4 Қыр.
25 926 Рет қаралды
Day 2 of my North Carolina Adventure! After I spent the day at the RTR LAB Vaughn Gittin Jr was gracious enough to invite me out to his backyard and stomping grounds where he ran us through the Uwharrie OHV Area and spotted me though some of the toughest trails there! We Broke tie rods on a new Ford Bronco, took a dip in a lake with a bunch of dudes, and nearly rolled my Bronco! This was definitely a fun adventure!
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Vaughn Gittin Jr you are the first to give the most accurate description of what happens with the tie rods. With all your race experiance you have the best knowledge. Thank you for the best description of what happens. This is why I bought the Sasquatch package plus it gives you the correct gearing for 35 tires. I watched lots of KZhead videos for a year and 10 months before I got my Bronco. I learned a lot from them. When you go bigger tires more stuff wears out. As time goes on other issues will appear.
Sasquatch and 35s will do all you’ll ever need!
He is the first to just say a bunch of BS . Many have broke a tie rod with 35s and 33s . One guy broke his tierod coming out the driveway . True story check the forums
@@DirtyBronco5555 What did he do before the driveway? Not a chance in hell a tie rod just broke for no reason.
@@nm-qt2hb he never off-roaded, it seriously broke for no reason
@@AustinH7 Not a chance. They have many new Broncos. Tie rods don't break unless you do something stupid.
Really enjoyed watching this again. Also a good reference of no sway bar disconnect. That big articulation would have been much easier with that bar disconnected. Made for some rad photos though! A lot of great fun and Info in this vid man!
I think even with the sway bar disconnected he still would’ve been three wheeling.
Agreed but not near as aggressive
@@VaughnGittinJr 👍
Lol it only got 480 on the Metalcloak CTI ramp. Not much flex to offer even with the sway bar disconnected
@@VaughnGittinJris it your opinion that a manual sway bar disconnect is justifiable for non-Badlands/Non-FE Bronco owners?
Finally a good explanation of the tie rod stresses. Thanks
that was an awesome demonstration of the tie rod issue with larger tires and the stick explanation. thanks guys
Ford Performance now has a path to 37" tires from the factory. ProCal tuning, 2" lift, beefier tie rods, and some other things. Best of all, it comes with a warranty. Hope this helps anyone out in the future
I died LOLING at the austin powers comment @vaughn 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂
Awesome! Glad I watch this after our conversation about tie rods today, probably saved me a butt load of money!! 👌😉😎🤑
Excellent spotting by Mr. Gittin Jr!
Totally agree! He’s a rockstar!
Sphincter-puckering off roading. Thanks for the exciting content.
Any time!l
One of your best videos! Great people, great trail, even a wasp attack. 😂
😂🙌🙏🙏thanks !! Wasp 🐝 were A-Holes!!
That was fun to watch! 👏🏼
🙏💯 thanks for all the support!
Seeing all these tie rods breaking makes me hesitate to move to bigger tires and/or get a lift. If I ever do, I'll make sure to do all the research and do it correctly. For now my Sasquatch is capable enough to keep me happy on the trails! Thanks for the video.
I’ve got 60k on mine now without a single failure. 💪🏻
Love the video. I'm a Jeeper and love this type of wheeling. Haven't wheeled with any Broncs yet.
Thanks for watching! Maybe wheel have to wheel together some day of our paths cross🤙🏻
Dude your videos are awesome. Keep em coming.
Thanks!!
Awesome video wheeling with a Legend!!!!
Thanks!!
I was really standing in the wrong spot going up that climb in Daniel….. never will do that again! Good times!
😂😂😂 na bro your totally super human and woulda kept me from flopping 🤙🏻
Great fun riding shotgun with you folks (virtually, anyway). I would like to hire that entire crew to spot me when my Bronco arrives. I'll need a crew. Got tons to learn, but you guys really make me want to hit the trails and do the work that needs to be done to get comfortable with those types of obstacles. Cool video! Thanks for bringing it to us.
Thanks again for coming back to watch!
Glad we made it up there to wheel with you guys for a bit there at the end. Those Broncos surprised the heck out of me for sure - that's a pretty gnarly line.
Thanks for hanging out! Definitely was a rad time!
Dang! even MY Knees were sweating. So rad!
Thanks for watching 👊🏻🤘🏻
Awesome video! I really enjoyed it and learned quite a bit from it. Loved seeing experience at work. Having said that, I've ridden a handful of Uwharrie's trails in my CanAm Maverick X3, with the exception of Daniel, because I don't have enough off roading experience! I recently moved here from out west and rode in a lot of open terrain, but want to learn to off road in this type of terrain. Looking forward to challenging myself and my new Bronco Badlands in 2023. Thanks for the video!
Dude thanks for watching! That was my first time out east myself very different stuff for sure!! Congrats on the Bronco! It’ll do a lot of things !
That was an awesome video guys... Enjoyed the whole thing. Me and my Bronco are in North Dakota taking it over to Montana down Through Wyoming to Colorado. Great job enjoy your videos keep it up.
Thanks for watching!!!! 🙏🙌🙌🙌
You can put it in GOAT mode ! GetOutAndTow !😢
Can not wait to see a live axle swap.
Hope you enjoyed Uwharrie. It’s the closest off-road trails near me and I just took my Bronco there. Haven’t tried Daniel yet, but have done Dickie and Dutch John. I could spend all day out there - good times. Enjoyed the video. Hopefully the tie rod fix didn’t take too long.
Super rad place to wheel! Tie rod fix took 15 min wasn’t worth adding in video lol
Looks like that wheel / tire combo adds close to 40#s per corner over stock Sasquatch setup, that probably didn't help the tie rods either, cool video!
19:39 😳😳 rad video to watch Chase!
🙌🙌🤘🏻thanks dude!!
Weakest point is at the tie rod threads, on the IFS. Give the Broncobuster tie rod brace a try too…..
BB bandaid is junk....the real fix for now is the Hoss 3.0 steering rack and even bigger ICON 18mm tie rods. I know because I did it first and also figured out the programming so many others could do the same.
I have a 2 dr Badlands Sasquatch ordered (for 16 months now). Almost all videos I see are the 4 dr model. Is there an advantage of the 4 dr vs 2 dr while wheeling? Sorry for the newbie question.
Imo I prefer a longer wheelbase over a shorter. Shorter wheel base does have its advantages in tight spots for maneuvering but steep climbs or drop off descents shorter wheelbase rigs can get tippy just use caution
put that philly back in the barn😂😂
What do you think is the better set up from Ford? The badlands w SAS , or the wildtrak w HOSS 3.0 … I heard a mention of the FOX setup during the segment w broken tie rod ….
I’ve been in both the HOSS3.0 is mind blowing good!! Definitely hoss3.0!
Thanks for reply! Now I have a decision to make because I lose my reservation price protection from Ford if I change my order.
So what is a correct lift to stop this as you mentioned? The new Ranger Raptors will suffer from this also. Few broken examples here in Aus already. Appart from dropping the steering rack, could the tie rod ball joints be replaced with a extended heim joint to correct for the height change?
So is the "correct" way to lift for larger tires to also drop the front axel and steering rack to keep the factory angles? If so does such a lift kit exist yet for the Bronco? I went sasquatch so I don't plan on lifting for a few years but I'd like to know what the best options are for the future.
Imo don’t lift it higher than an inch
@@ChaseGentry I did the zone 2” lift (2” in front and one in back) and added 35’s. Thoughts on this? I have tie rod sleeves to install but I’m curious if your opinion is whether I’m in the “concerned” zone?
@@brianrice7110 is your next originally a Sasquatch before lift?
@@ChaseGentry unfortunately no it is not a squatch. It was a Big Bend non squatch. Very cool content BTW. Thanks for doing what y’all do!
@@brianrice7110 that’s not a bad thing 2” over stock on a non Sasquatch should keep you in very safe operating tolerances for cv/ tierod angles. I’m not too familiar with that kit though so can’t speak on its engineering. I have heard solid things about it though
Great video. I'm just surprised that nobody has said anything about you guys flying a drone in restricted airspace. Pretty ballsy lol
Anyone knows if the yellow Badlands had the front lockers on when the tie rod broke? I'm curious if that puts extra pressure to the whole assy and makes it worst.
He was locked.
Where are the front headlights from, on the light blue one? (The ones with the vertical LED strip)
Good ol Uwharrie.
Do you have any lift or leveling kit on your wildtrack? Also what off set are you running and what tire size? Thank you
Totally stock SASQUATCH on 17x8.5 with 0 offers methods. 35x12.50s
I have the same set up but with stock tires on a same wildtrack. But it has a very noticeable rake. I am thinking about doing the RPG perch collar lift or leveling but I’m not sure. I don’t want to destroy the suspension components like the tie rods and stuff. What do you think?
@@EZEM62 what are your plans for the rear cargo area?
@@EZEM62 if you don’t go over 1-1.5” max up front I’d say you’d be fine. The Hoss3.0 sets 1” taller up front so as long as your not surpassing that you should be fine
@@ChaseGentry some camping and hunting every now and then. I’m not planning on keeping it loaded most of the time.
74 WELD TIE RODS AND STEERING RACK END
All these SUV’s look kinda like broncos but have 2 extra doors?
I wish I would have watched this video BEFORE I bought my Bronco. They flex as hard as Pee Wee Herman. Seriously, whoever was involved with the IFS decision needs to be put in a room with timeout.
So if I have factory ride hight and tires on my Raptor is it a bad idea to change my tie rods to RPG or is it okay?
As long as your vehicle is stock, that should not be a problem. However, from an engineering standpoint, the tie rods are designed to fail to preserve the steering rack. So yes, while adding those tie rods will greatly improve the structural integrity of your rods, the weak point now becomes the rack.
@@ChaseGentry so what kind of tie rod do you suggest I get I would appreciate the help
@@themachanic6416 definitely the RPG. Think of your tie rods sorta like fuses. They are engineered to be the 1st thing that pops so you don’t blow your steering rack as that’s a much larger and pricier repair. Adding the RPG tie rods is kinda the equivalent of taking out a 5amp fuse and replacing it with a 30amp fuse. Fuse may not pop but the the primary circuit may fail in the event of extreme load.
@@ChaseGentry okay now you’re confusing me you telling me not to get the RPGs because I’ll break my steering rack and now your are telling go ahead and get them😉
So what lift is on the orange bronco?
Fabtech
Broncos are sooooo capable right off the showroom floor. There is very little reason to lift and add bigger tires. Some of us Toyota guys do it, too. We go 35s when we don’t have to and some even 37s. BUT, we don’t break tie rods, and just eyeballing the ones on my brother’s Bronco and my own TOyota FJ Cruiser, they look the same. I’ve seen some snapped CVs, but not many. One thing I have not seen anyone bring up is this: It may not be only the design or the diameter of the tie rods on the Bronco as it may be the QUALITY OF THE STEEL Ford uses.
That’s definitely something to consider for sure. I’m at 64,500 on mine still no snapped tie rods. I wheel mine hard too.
I'm still waiting for a proper way to fit and run 37's on a bronco...:( 35's are great, but the bronco greatly lacks in clearance... Something desperately needed for rock crawling. As someone who runs the Rubicon, my stock Sasquatch could make it, sure... but at a high damage cost. I need clearance from a proper lift an 37's... Maybe even 40's
Honestly I’m not 100% but if you took a Sasquatch Bronco ran the Adv fenders plus a fox coilover set 1.25” over a stock Sasquatch ride height combined w/ Raptor/ Hoss3.0 steering rack-tie rod combo I bet it would work flawlessly but that’s totally speculation
@@ChaseGentry thats a very valid option. Just costs way more then my budget allows. I Co-run the Gold Country Broncos group in Cali and we have a few members on 37’s but im not impressed with the issues presented. Im considering a high end shock like extended travel Radflo and set them at 1-2 inches of lift, add the body mount chop and I can stuff 37’s all day. Add the DV8 fender liners and maybe even 40’s. Broncbuster steering components and then im good to go! My RCV’s help too;) Unfortunately nobody has solved the software issue for adding Hoss 3.0 steering to a regular bronco yet:( been following that forum hard. Love your videos man! If you ever come to NorCal. Check out our Gold Country Bronco group. We are the largest up here and do a ton of awesome wheeing
@@popo_patty that’s theoretically should work too! I do know radflo is legit. I hope I’m offered the opportunity to buy this bronco from ford after my contract so can start modifying suspension too! Thanks for watching my stuff man. I really appreciate to positive vibes! I’m trying to get out west soon I’ll definitely look you guys up! I’ll be at king of the hammers for sure
FYI, this happens on 35's lifted or stock as well.
Yep with poor driving and pad line choices anything will break.
@@ChaseGentry Ya, i just seen someone in your video say it wont happen on stock 35's. I beg to differ LOL
He is so wrong!! Maybe it’s the 14mm tie rods. Literally smaller than a 2005 Ford Escape which is 15 mm 😂😂🥴
Doesn't have to do with the tire size 😂
These tie rods are breaking with factory spec suspension and tires. This is a VERY common and known problem with these Broncos. Weak ass tie rods the size of pencils and the steering rack is trash as well.
Yeah the tie rods are a weak product either way angle or not. With 37’s.
Lets do this again in 2023!
YES!
Guys on stock 35's have had it happen on less obstacles. The OEM rods are junk. The whole steering system sucks
Idk man, Could be poor driver mod. Everything has a breaking point if used improperly. 🤷♂️ I’ve yet to break a rack, tie rod, etc on a completely stock suspension and tire size setup.
Bronc buster makes a kit for the tie rods to prevent this from happening.
That’s not 100% accurate .
@@VaughnGittinJr how about the bronc buster tie rod braces and the upgraded steering rack they sale ? Any good ?
I'd rather have it there as a fuse man.
@@VaughnGittinJr his kit seems to do pretty well with 40s. Maybe reach out to him and see what he says.
@@lonestar_italian lol
Don’t let yahoos modify your Bronco. Do your due diligence with great videos like this one.
You know, when you buy a vehicle, these manufacturers have spent years putting them through the paces. It's expected for them to perform to a certain level in a certain environment. When you take an off-road vehicle to a very unusual place to off road. Just because it's made for off road, does not mean it's made for THAT off road. To many factors involved. While I applaud the capability and the ability of the driver, and that is a factor, big time. This is not the place that a standard or even a fully loaded factory bronco should go. This is strictly for heavily modified vehicles. I'm surprised the bronco made it without breaking more tie rods. A lot of geometry involved in the way those ties function under heavy loads and angles. Especially if that load involves the weight of a 40-inch tire versus a 35 with stock tie rods. The tie rods are made for a 35-inch tire. Do not expect it to perform better with a 40-inch tire mounted to it or even a 37.
I've seen a 90s Kia Sportage go up the backside of Daniel without breaking though...you don't need a heavily modified vehicle for most stuff at Uwharrie.
Love the videos, turned the volume off during the music. Cheapens the value of the video.
Lol 😂 thanks for watching..
Check out Bronco Buster channel, he has a 3" body lift, tie rod brace, steering rack supports and steering rack replacement parts. This is old news, no suspension lift, do a 3" body lift and keep the steering geometry correct.
He is incorrect i have personally seen a Bronco break a tie rod on 35’s at Rausch creek ..ford put a inferior part period , you should never be that close to a parts tolerance that it breaks that easy.. and the steering rack,, and the transmission … Ford has had alot of failures with the bronco and others lately .. there is simply no explaining that away…
Idk man🤷♂️ I’ve racked up 22k on one bronco all over the country beating the shit out of it in Moab, King of the hammers, Offroad parks, with out any failures besides smashing the Fck out of the gas tank, and bending the shit of the exhaust. This one I have now has 38k on it now it’s been twice as many places and trials, pulled 3100lb trailer that’s literally 2x the size of the bronco running in wide open basically from south TEXAS to California and back, and now I’ve been pulling another 2700 lb “overland” trailer in 4lo locked 🔒 frt/rear on 4 Rocky ass trails without any issues either. Time will tell but I’ve been far more abusive on these two Broncos way past any sane individual who spent 60k plus on one.. 🤷♂️ luck of the draw maybe
@@ChaseGentry buddy you maybe right about the luck of the draw on the tie rod steering rack thing , but going from 35” to 37” breaking tie rods , tells me that they are at the very end of tolerance as far as parts go , and the 300,000 transmission recall well that speaks for itself , i like the bronco, i own a jeep , but still like it , i just think Ford was trying to save a buck where they can to keep prices low enough but still pay for all the high tech in the bronco .. hey jeep has done it to they all do .. the best Broncos will be in like 5 years from now just my opinion tho could be way wrong 🤷🤷
@@PhatboyHD88 definitely a lot of validity here 🤙🏻 I’ll report back via video if/when something fails on my current one🤘🏻
Steering rack is the main problem with the tie rods but transmission? I haven't heard a single problem with the 10 speeds which are the main tried and true products. Maybe the 2.7 from what I hear online but mine at 14k miles and had a single problem and I'm 23 so you can guess how hard I drive it
@@eliasgutierrez6789 agreed.
Great explanation of the tie rod issue, but couldn’t watch the whole thing. The mall crawler music ruined it for me.
What would you rather have?
@@ChaseGentry me personally prefer these kind of videos without music, however I’m probably in the minority. To me hip hop fits better with street racing or drifting, not trail busting and rock crawling, all I could think was “why am I watching an off road video while listening to an artist that’s afraid to get his shoes dirty” lol. Honestly biggest issue I had with the music was the volume. Unless your watching a music video it should be a quieter background layer to fill drawn out portions and keep people interested, not full blast and covering everything. I also have no idea how difficult it may be to adjust the audio level as I know nothing about video editing. Sorry about the off topic rant, but since you took the time to respond I felt you deserved an honest response.
@@ChaseGentry Music is good for establishing shots or times when no audio is recorded correctly (time lapse, Drone). When a normal time wheeling shots I just want to hear the engine, rock dirt noise and tires. Helps to see and learn especially when the driver is Vaughn Gittin Jr.
The intro is a bunch of douche bags with all the "bro" acting, but the video gets better. Good message from Vaughn on what happens when you don't do a lift correctly or completely.
Only douche bags criticize others just sayin 🤭😉😂 thanks for watching, commenting, and Engaging though you sure helped this douche bag.
Basically it’s weak af
But what about "built Ford tough"?
Stop with the rap/hip hop soundtrack, bruh. Everyone thinks only Bro’s drive these things as it is. Don’t need this crap adding to the negative stereotype.
I make videos and the feel of them based off the vibe of what I was doing and how I remember that day specifically for me. Coincidentally this day it was a “bunch of bros” beating on broncos… Sorry it wasn’t what you like. 🤷♂️
@@ChaseGentry fair ‘nuff. I went back and watched with the sound down. It looked like you guys had a good time. Did you get the broken tie rod replaced on the trail or after? And do you run heavier tires rods after this failure?
@@boobacockaa thanks for watching. Yes they replaced the driver side tie rod with another stock replacement. Took about 25 minutes to do so. I currently still have the original tie rods on my bronco. Now with 48,290 on the clock and wheeled nationwide without failure. My bronco is stock Sasquatch still on 35s.
Made it a few min in and couldn't deal with the 11 year old music 🤢
Good thing you stopped watching
I call bs. Look all the other vehicles running larger tires on stock tie rods. Ford Bronco tie rods are garbage!
Thanks for the view