Victim: Don't Become Your Abuser!

2020 ж. 26 Жел.
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Two wrongs never make you right.
If you cheat on your cheating narcissist - you are still a cheater.
If you abuse your abuser - you are an abuser yourself.
If you behave like a psychopath - then you are one.
If you mirror evil - you become it.
Stare into the abyss and it will consume you whole.
Being a victim is not a license to join the ranks of your tormentors.
Beware of self-righteousness and moral superiority: they are paving stones on the path to hell.
Are you victim - or narcissist - or covert narcissist - or borderline?
Cluster B consider themselves victims (alloplastic defenses, external locus of control)
Judith Herman who created the CPTSD diagnosis insist that complex trauma is indistinguishable from BPD. Kernberg, the father of the field, says that BPD is a form of narcissism, and Grotstein claims that BPD is failed narcissism.
Victims of prolonged abuse often introject (internalize) their abusers and convert them into permanent persecutory objects. Henceforth, they trauma bond with this inner tormenting voice even when the original bully is long out of their lives.
Victimhood becomes a cozy comfort zone and the victims is emotionally invested (cathected) in maintaining it pristine and operational. It becomes a determinant of the victim's identity and helps her to regulate her emotions and ameliorate her anxiety and mood lability.
Professional Victims tend to blame their childhood experiences for being eternal victims. Again, they are victims: this time, of their parents.
We must begin to accept that a victimhood stance is narcissistic: grandiose, entitled, and replete with alloplastic defenses.
Perpetual victimhood serves four indispensable psychological needs:
1. It restores a sense of agency and self-efficacy and reverts the locus of control from external to internal. Many victims garner attention and make money from their newly found "profession";
2. It makes sense of the victim's personal history and of the world around her thereby rendering them meaningful: structure, order, and even a sense of "karmic" justice are restored;
3. It legitimizes avoidant behaviors. The world out there is challenging and painful: shunning it guarantees tranquility and an inert peace of mind;
4. Victimhood allows the victim to indulge her grandiosity and sense of moral superiority: it paints her as immaculate, angelic, empathic, supportive, loving, caring, compassionate, and, in short, perfect, blesmishless, and blameless. It is a morality play or a crusade and she is the warrior angel fighting off the demonic narcissists.
Victimhood affords the victim membership in tight-knit communities of like-minded people and a sense of belonging and being finally understood, vindicated, and elevated. It is an intoxicating mix and victims become aggressive if and when you try to take it away from them by alerting them to their own imperfections and contributions to their sad state of affairs.
With one or two laudable exceptions, unscrupulous "coaches" and "experts" online seek to perpetuate this state of victimhood: telling your clients what they want to hear and what they are willing to pay for is good for business. The truth and healing have a negative effect on their burgeoning bottom lines.
In 1995, I coined the term “narcissistic abuse” and gave language and voice to its victims. Listen to the original article I had written back then.
Have happier, healthier, many more years to come. Stay hale and well and sane. Don't let yourself become that which you had feared the most.
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  • The victims do ask themselves if they were the narcissist, but the narcissist will not. That's were you you see the difference. I never cheated, lied but I did react narcissisticly after years of psychological abuse. But I could get out of it and see it for what it was. A narcissist will never question their behaviour.

    @spokeraq@spokeraq3 жыл бұрын
    • I also asked the questions, was it me? And my N also stupidly made remarks about me being with other men. Like you, I have never cheated or lied.. But when I questioned him, I was gaslighted to no end.. I asked both my therapists, what am I doing? What's my pathology? They say I have some wounds but nothing outside normal range. Am working on these things now. I won't stay a victim!

      @jaiid@jaiid Жыл бұрын
    • @@jaiid I was actually asking myself if I'am the narcisist but as you both say I have not cheated as well. But I have definitely some parts of what happened I think

      @Arekkusunobaka@Arekkusunobaka Жыл бұрын
    • Hey Just wanted to ask that am I narcissistic for expecting someone to apologise to me just because I apologised to them. I ask this because I had a narcissistic friend whom I apologised to but I just felt unfair because she never took accountability for her behaviour even after i let her know that I was hurt because of her. What is this??? Please tell your opinion

      @alankritigupta9097@alankritigupta909710 ай бұрын
    • ​@@alankritigupta9097 You don't get closure with narcs. They have various self-defence mechanisms to avoid facing reality. Unfair? Narcs are unfairness and hypocrisy personified. One source of relief is to avoid and block them as much as possible while learning about their stupid ways and having a private laugh about them

      @theguaable@theguaable9 ай бұрын
    • But for sure he will try as hard as possible to push away this accusation. I regret that I mentioned him my feeling that this could be a possibility for him. The reaction was on fire, then I saw some more videos where Sam told to not call out the narcissist 😞

      @kingagrad3436@kingagrad3436Ай бұрын
  • Hi, I've just had huge wave of self insight. I'm a victim of everything. I've blamed my ex NPD, the court system, my doctor, my mother, my father, my brother, my migraines, my nausea, my inability to sleep, my lack of money the list goes on and on. Right down to the hot sun makes me faint. I have been ridiculous. The burden of being a victim to your own life weighs so much. I didn't realise I'd been dragging it around for 3 years. No wonder I'm exhausted. I've been hiding in the 4 walls emotionally. Trusting no one. It's time to get busy living again. I've booked a holiday. Bon voyage victim hood. Thankyou Dr Vaknin for this brilliant video.

    @deniseluker373@deniseluker3733 жыл бұрын
    • very impressed how you could see your own "swing" of course there were flaws. I relate to his "safe victim" concept and reject the notion of self intumment. What I resist , persists. Someday, I will appear on the money list (inheritances), then can go back on tour. I went prior (was booted out ) and was unpleasant and homeless. At 65, on the back 9.

      @stevengriffin5349@stevengriffin53493 жыл бұрын
    • Yes meeee toooo!!!

      @sahalejensen6508@sahalejensen65082 жыл бұрын
    • Omg good for you… I’ll be so happy when I can finally wrap my mind around this without hating myself

      @MsDeongi@MsDeongi Жыл бұрын
  • Don't be a victim, never and ever because once you became a victim you are opening a door to narcissism. Infact victim mentality is the single most influential factor to hinder your path of becoming your best self. Thank you sir. This is the greatest message I recieved from you🙏

    @drkknath@drkknath Жыл бұрын
  • There is such a thing as reactive abuse.After a while enough is enough and a target stands up for themselves. You can go on and live a content, happy, abuse free life without the narc.

    @lorrainefrasier4096@lorrainefrasier409611 ай бұрын
  • I was wondering why I stopped listening to videos of different psychologists on narcissistic families and narcissistic abuse. It seemed to me like I didn’t want to dive any longer into what has happened in my past. I couldn’t get why. And after this video, I understood I am on my path to healing cause I don’t want to hear what a victim I’d been. I kind of understand I can just live without turning in my mind to that past experience and to that state of victimhood. Great video to reinforce this

    @seoulko2589@seoulko25899 ай бұрын
  • True all all levels. Thank you Sam! Winston Churchill said: Never mirror that which you seek to destroy.”

    @colleenpassard6599@colleenpassard65993 жыл бұрын
    • I started to become that way, until I have to re evaluate myself due to family using physical force on me, just because they had anger issues and took physical abuse out on me.

      @OJMCFLY@OJMCFLY3 жыл бұрын
  • DBT... I am certain my C-PTSD... is exactly that! My psychiatrist agrees with me 100%... it's a constant battle to behave differently... BPD is a choice- and I choose/chose to change my behavior. I have been "alone" and working on me... since the death of my husband in 2002... (he was a "renowned" oncologist, and a full-blown narcissist!) He committed suicide- even his death was all about him! He was a coward... suicide is selfish! So, I have NO BUSINESS in a relationship... I am a full time job! I am so much happier- I do miss intimacy though! I am no victim! I DID THIS TO MYSELF! I own it every single day! SO... I got a cat! LOL

    @lismmoreau5554@lismmoreau55543 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you for listening to my diatribe... ❤️

      @lismmoreau5554@lismmoreau55543 жыл бұрын
  • I did a lot of blaming and feeling the victim. I have had several romantic "relationships" with overt narcissists and I think my father is one. The last " relationship" was with a covert and it really rocked my world. I finally took a look at myself. I have no doubt I am a borderline and with that I have narc traits as well. Borderlines and narcissists make explosive couples.

    @Heatherofscots@Heatherofscots3 жыл бұрын
  • I blame myself because my intuition told me to run and I didn’t. I do attract narcissists to me . The first time I was innocent but I had no clue what a narcissists was , but I didn’t learn my lesson. I stayed way too long in relationships that were very harmful for me. I’m tired of being a victim and I acknowledge and own my part in it. I also do not ever want to be a narcissist, hurting people is something I just can’t do. I do want to be free of the effects of what narcissism has had on me . I want to heal and have a healthy relationship. Thanks so much for this verbal slap in the face , with this video.

    @kellydaylan851@kellydaylan8513 жыл бұрын
    • This is me exactly. Well said.

      @Holly-bm1sf@Holly-bm1sf3 жыл бұрын
    • I hear you Dear. Healing starts with daily forgiveness and gratitude. Then daily meditation, being around healthy people with good vibes, helping others without expecting anything in return (volunteer work). All these help with healing. Time is a good healer as well. Good sleep and a healthy life style molds to a healthy mind set. All these are do-able to start a happy new phase of life. I am doing all these, so I can vouch on these. Love you and all the very best 👍🏼 Take Care🥰🤩🤗

      @TT-ls1yz@TT-ls1yz Жыл бұрын
    • Forgot to mention, the very important step is to practice self love💞 Yes self love, self care, self compassion. Now is the time for your current "adult" self to be kind to your "younger" self, like how you would take care of a little baby 😘😘😘

      @TT-ls1yz@TT-ls1yz Жыл бұрын
    • Me too.I knew worked it out but stayed for my own ends x

      @clairedraper7099@clairedraper70993 күн бұрын
  • Nietzsche makes his remark about the abyss (in Beyond Good and Evil §146) just after cautioning the reader that someone who fights monsters risks becoming a monster himself. Mr Vaknin thank You for the Analysis.You are great.⭐🙏

    @candybell84candybell86@candybell84candybell863 жыл бұрын
  • after 2 months of non-stop educating after breakup with suspected cluster b person I realized narcissism finaly explained my life. Thanks Sam.❤

    @co5mo@co5mo7 ай бұрын
  • Thank you for posting this. Remaining in a victimhood mindset is a memorial (shrine) to the abuser/narcissist. That is a message for perpetual victimhood status. However, when the emotional abuse, devaluing and discard is finally realized, it is still raw and there is an abrupt and bewildering time in which the abused person grasps for information, answers, and support. It hurts and is gutwrenching, and the victim tries to figure out what they did to deserve this, what their role was, and how they could have been so blind. I understand that the narcissist doesn't feel empathy toward the discarded person, as the object was just supply. However, the short term group or individual therapy truly does help the victim move through some level of healing. Some of us were isolated from our friends and family while in the narcissistic relationship, and this therapy becomes our support system. I think was Sam Vaknin is saying is that we need to figure out when enough is enough, and move past the "victim" and "blameless" mindset, stop enshrining the narcissist as a god ruling our present reality, and actually move forward in life. It's okay to learn a lesson from the relationship, and to seek a healthier, better adjusted and secure base in a partner. It's not okay to remain stuck in the looping thoughts of a victim. The time this takes for each person is different, since the level, extent and duration of the abuse varies. PTSD from this type of abuse is real though, and it helps to try to move past the memories rather than looping it again and again like a bad movie. Spend less and less time each day thinking about the narcissist and the abuse. Eventually, reach a point of not sympathizing with the narcissist and wanting to help him/her. They're done with you. Be done with them. Thanks Sam!

    @skyeburris2467@skyeburris24673 жыл бұрын
  • This is the kick in the pants I needed. Holy crap. I don't want to be a victim. I am horrified at my own narcissistic tendencies I am realizing. I am looking for another therapist. I've been doing therapy for 4 years. I haven't had a trauma therapist and feel like I'm educating professionals about narcissistic abuse. :/ Do you have advice about finding a good therapist for narcissistic abuse? I'm tired of therapists telling me how empathetic I am. I don't want my ego stroked. I want to not become evil.

    @mendingmandy869@mendingmandy8692 жыл бұрын
    • A decent therapist will be understanding but should not encourage narcissistic defenses. I'm also horrified with how my narcissist parents programmed so much crap into my head.

      @nawaspj7122@nawaspj7122 Жыл бұрын
  • Wow! I have been victimized by a narcissist but I actually didn't realize this for a decade, I have only had a lot of mental breakdowns and especially I have been aggressive, suspicious and controlling towards the people I love. My instincts have been all off.. I find it relieving to hear someone talking about introjection and what it means to have the abuser still in your head, internalizing the abuse to such an extend. I have noticed this as well about myself that the victimhood identity is a strong one and it's so hard to get out of it!! It actually means facing the world again! All these years It felt like I have been infected with an abusive virus, a parasite that grows and I have been infecting other people as well. Anyway, thank you for your clear and harsh words!! Much appreciated!

    @Nina-hr8ze@Nina-hr8ze3 жыл бұрын
  • On the topic of abusers being converted to icons in the victim's mind- I find it highly therapeutic to draw awful, disproportionate characitures of them. It helps me distance myself from the internalized voices & makes me laugh.

    @urdadsfinsta@urdadsfinsta3 жыл бұрын
  • sometimes a straight fist in the face can be very healing! thank you!

    @whokilledmrmoonlight5355@whokilledmrmoonlight53552 жыл бұрын
  • This is me. I was so tired of being emotionally detached and hurting others that I took on the victim persona because it kept me safe from feeling like a “bad” person. Now I see how I was just trying to reconcile my bad side by being a doormat. This gives me such hope because I am starting to accept my “bad” traits and see my abusers as simply people who werent able to do that. Accepting all of me means my boundaries are simply preferences not judgements. Being in love with love is my grandiosity but living my life in a grounded way has loosened my grasp on getting high off this victim identity and made my life so much more grounded and content. Thank you SO much for these thoughts. Healing is possible.

    @sahalejensen6508@sahalejensen65082 жыл бұрын
  • Another pillar of psychology got a hit! WOW . No one can challenge this thought. Forums and victims exposed. Speech less i am with this profound wisdom. Thanks and deep respect Dr Sam.

    @deeptikheterpal8430@deeptikheterpal8430 Жыл бұрын
  • I honestly don't know how much we all can thank you for your work and publicly available content. Your voice has made a difference in replacing the carpet, repainting the walls, and overall, redecorating the internal sphere's of its listeners. There are many of us who never want this to stop; please don't.

    @MasterBoshan@MasterBoshan2 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you ,actually I began to watch my behaviors , wards and even thoughts,stop judging people but protecting myself as I am responsible for myself and my inner peace

    @safaasalah4154@safaasalah41543 жыл бұрын
  • I think nowadays it's very convenient for people to say they have been abused by a "narc" than to face the fact that they have been in a s***y relationship with a jerk...most people don't really have a clue about what a person who suffers from a personality disorder looks like...however, there have surely been people who went through relationships with real narcissists and psychopaths and they have all my sympathy and my best wishes for a total healing 🙏

    @serena8429@serena84293 жыл бұрын
    • @the Hero by jerk I meant just immature or non committal people...does everyone who ghost is a narcissist? Does everyone who act as a player is a narcissist? Does everyone who cheat is a narcissist? I don't think so...having a full blown personality disorder is far from different from having narcissistic traits...

      @serena8429@serena84293 жыл бұрын
    • @@serena8429 I am interested in your comment. I really confuse with a Jerk and a narcissist?

      @PlayMaster121@PlayMaster1213 жыл бұрын
    • @@PlayMaster121 I don't know. Do you?

      @serena8429@serena84293 жыл бұрын
  • Very beautifully said! If you mirror evil, you are evil. 👏🏻 Thank you for giving us the voice! Even we didn’t know what happened to us. How much deeply it has cut?

    @artsyalkalearnandgrowbeaut3731@artsyalkalearnandgrowbeaut3731 Жыл бұрын
  • Thank you Sam! For the first time in my life I am learning

    @hilcovandenberg6804@hilcovandenberg68048 ай бұрын
  • The self will be cared for! That is the truth of our existence. Learning how to care for self and cooperate with others is healthful living. Those who have not (for whatever reason) learned how to care for and regulate self are not healthy for relational living. No heroes, no villains - just healthy and unhealthy.

    @mamamagere@mamamagere3 жыл бұрын
  • This is true. I let myself be the victim for years while also staying in contact with other victims which helped me justify my own victim hood. I now work at not being a victim and recognizing my own choices that lead me to where I've been and where I want to go now.

    @nalinissingh@nalinissingh3 жыл бұрын
  • Brilliant - I have been a victim on two occasions they suck the life and soul out of you. They have no soul that's why they seek others souls. I like the phrase if you mirror evil you become evil - very true. The way I managed to escape no contact every again. Very educational videos - thank you

    @creativeforce11@creativeforce113 жыл бұрын
    • How and why did you allow it to happen a second time?

      @samvaknin@samvaknin3 жыл бұрын
  • I'm here bc I recognize my abuser in my behavior more than myself and I'm still healing after a divorce 6 yrs ago

    @natashatash.o6687@natashatash.o66873 жыл бұрын
  • Absolutely true. I confirm with my own experience. You want a different life, you need to tear down an old house to the ground ... You can't build penhaushes on a shack. Wonderful rational and healthy advice. Thank you!

    @clearwater7000@clearwater70003 жыл бұрын
  • Wonderful, wonderful talk in which you explain the role of the defensive mechanism of splitting used by the victim as a form of safety behavior which holds such parallels to the all good and bad used by the personality disordered narcissist.

    @lanasmith2500@lanasmith25003 жыл бұрын
  • Since starting to watch your content a few months ago Ive been reflecting a lot wondering if im narcissistic as well as I have some traits although im quite a quiet and reserved person.. i have a lot of grandiose dreams and ambitions and I know I've used sex or flirting with others to feel better about myself. Ive been reflecting over my own behavior in my past relationship with the narcissist more. Ive been able to empathize more with his thinking and the distress that led to his behaviors rather than seeing him in black-and-white terms like it was easier to. It feels better to me to see him not as a monster but as a damaged person. I am damaged too, just in other ways, severe social anxiety and depression. If I wasn't just as messed up i wouldn't have stayed for so long and I know I withdrew emotionally and it triggered his abandonment anxiety badly. Now I just feel so bad that I caused him so much pain and distress. He says he's trying to be a better person and I really hope he's able to modify his behavior and be successful in his current relationship.

    @emmarogue2466@emmarogue24663 жыл бұрын
  • Yes! at last truth. The victim, powerless stance can become so complicit and shady. Some coaches are delivering a kind of addictive fiction which does not truly empower the listener. I feel quite moved by the depth and delivery of this content.

    @t.d9022@t.d90223 жыл бұрын
  • This is valuable advice, Sam. I am focused on living my best life moving forward. I acknowledge my part and have learned from it. Staying a victim keeps us stuck, or worse, as you point out. Thank you for imparting your knowledge in an intelligent, no nonsense manner!

    @dianeoneil5376@dianeoneil53763 жыл бұрын
  • I Did become him. And everthing he projected onto me. When i surrendered to loving the abuser by accepting yet rejecting him. He hated me more. Once he was unveiled it was easy to leave, but his antagonistic behavior because i wouldnt leave defeated became even more extreme. No contact is so hard im suffering greatly but i cannot submitt.

    @tifney710@tifney71010 ай бұрын
  • Great video! We can stop the cycle of victimhood when we take own responsibility of our lives. Its all about perceptive. Happy New Year Sam Vaknin! Your channel helped me a lot in my healing journey. Thumbs UP! 💕

    @carinmanfong@carinmanfong3 жыл бұрын
  • i’ve been familiar with your work for some time, from a periphery on the topic of narcissistic abuse, but only recently have listened in full to a number of your formal lectures and more general discussions. they have been a confusing experience for me, feeling completely dressed down and exposed, but with this relief of finding a language that describes my inner hell, shame, terror. the video you posted 21Mar2020 on the borderline women as a dissociative secondary psychopath might as well have been my biography. i’ve tried explaining this to my doctors, therapists, etc. they deny it. don’t believe me. won’t help me. i am sick. i hurt people. hurt myself. want help and healing. no modality of therapy i’ve tried has worked beyond helping me to learn how to breathe easier out of a straw while i drown. another video you posted prompted this: i am the boat. and i am the drowning soul. both floating and flailing. savior and sickness. i feel like giving up but will not sink. just float and flail endlessly. i know it is a sickness. my feelings are a lie and deeply destructive. the object of my desire only a projection of my own twisted need to feel seen but treated as worthless as i feel. and i can’t help or control my want of him in a way that can only be described as obsessive and uncontrollable. he is meant to be the end of me. of my hope, my soul, maybe even this body. to punish me? or set me free? it’s hard to tell the difference. all my truest self knows is that i deserve to die. and he will be my end. so why fight it? let go, accept my nothingness. don’t push him away, embrace him, lay my head before him like Marie Antoinette and surrender to my inevitable end. i am just a disgusting thing and i deserve to die. this is the only truth i’ve ever known. so...yep, kinda dark. but this is where i am. i don’t want to die but i don’t want to suffer or hurt people. i want to feel like a good person, be a good person. live a happy, simple and safe life. love a happy, simple and safe person, myself included. if not hope-filled, your videos are a comfort and another tool in helping me better understand myself. i am so thankful for this. and, i happen to think you’re a pretty hilarious presenter, which makes the sick and twisted a bit easier to absorb, which i greatly appreciate. with thanks and gratitude -k

    @dragonasshh4264@dragonasshh42643 жыл бұрын
    • This is why being a charming a* hole works with you but the second we show genuine affection to someone in your situation it disgusts you and the relationship is over.

      @alexanderstevens145@alexanderstevens1453 жыл бұрын
  • I don't want to harm him. As we know each other since childhood, i just want to make him realize there's other paths he can takes to feel better, and that social relationships aren't necesarry all a source of conflicts and a concern of power.

    @patno76@patno763 жыл бұрын
  • 27 years of raw oedipal narc abuse, and trying to escape. I came hone one last time to try to generate enough -empathy- to understand and am now in a deep psychosis~. Hurray.

    @a3mink968@a3mink9683 жыл бұрын
  • This is 100 percent true. Web and the spider.

    @marchie1830@marchie183011 ай бұрын
  • This is so good. Your original article rang so true to me and my experiences. I am going to see if I can find it in text form on your website. Thanks for sharing it here. The CPSD and BPD information was very interesting and shed some light or understanding of what I witnessed in the behavior of the mother of the Narcissist that I was married to. Her husband (my former FIL) appears to be a combination of Cluster B disorders. In my journey out of a 15 year marriage I found all of the self styled experts. Bits and pieces rang true and helped me to find language to express what I had experienced but I wanted to know WHY. I kept digging and listening and reading and found your channel. I now cannot even listen to the original “experts” that I found so readily. I appreciate you putting your knowledge in video format on KZhead as I am a mother of young children and it allows me to listen as I go about my daily routines.

    @stephanieprince6492@stephanieprince64923 жыл бұрын
  • You are not a victim of a narcissist, you are a victim of trauma. How do you stop the cycle?

    @Visitparkslope@Visitparkslope3 жыл бұрын
    • By treating your trauma from a position of resolve and strength, not of grandiose entitlement and self-pity.

      @samvaknin@samvaknin3 жыл бұрын
    • Please could you explain further ?

      @Ashleii@Ashleii3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Ashleii how can Sam answer to a question Only You know the answer to?

      @choosun-hui2683@choosun-hui26833 жыл бұрын
    • @@choosun-hui2683 I know :( I am looking for answers in others and not able to see myself. No one can help. I thought i had the answer but am now terrirfied of the outcome. I just want to breathe again

      @Ashleii@Ashleii3 жыл бұрын
    • Look for more resources dear and compare them together to get a clear answer

      @somahasan283@somahasan2833 жыл бұрын
  • What an eye opener, and such a motivation to stand and look at life as a speciation from a distance. Thanks for creating this marvelous video.

    @ARVINDJAISWAL10@ARVINDJAISWAL102 жыл бұрын
  • Indeed we are walking in a trance. Thank you Dr. Sam. This is invaluable information

    @asanabahrami2735@asanabahrami27359 ай бұрын
  • "The rejection of domination is not limited to the rejection of being dominated, but implies also the rejection of dominating. If there were the same violence about that as about the refusal to be dominated, then even dreaming of revolution would have ended long ago." Jean Baudrillard

    @numbynumb@numbynumb Жыл бұрын
  • At 10 mins... so true. I thought that too, they prolong it without you taking responsibility, self reflection. No empowerment.

    @mani-ksb@mani-ksb3 жыл бұрын
  • This was a great video to watch while having some extra time off because of the holiday. It is a subject that is always lurking in my emotional peripheral, not wanting to unwittingly(or wittingly) become the thing that thing that was abusive to me, to perpetuate the cycle through an adopted victimhood. Thank you for this, it is greatly appreciated.

    @Belle_of_the_Bogg@Belle_of_the_Bogg3 жыл бұрын
  • You r real guru 🤩💪... thanku you professor

    @twi1__12j@twi1__12j7 ай бұрын
  • Great perspective. Thank you for sharing.

    @ajc2208@ajc22082 жыл бұрын
  • Prof Vaknin, so thankful for making this video, I sometimes get confused if I am the victim or became abuser after dealing with the Narcissist. Recently on Christmas Day, he sent message for Christmas greeting after I sent back a greeting text, I let him taste his own medicine by ignoring his text after ( he did that to before ). I felt great for what I did but deep down I knew it was rude to act like that ( and I also have the feeling of guilt ). I think I have been drawn into his projection. I don't really know what to do next....you are right dealing with a Narcissist make us become one and is a mind game, and we can never win in this game. Happy Holiday Prof Vaknin.

    @PlayMaster121@PlayMaster1213 жыл бұрын
  • There is so much truth in this video 🔥

    @beautyskin8696@beautyskin869610 ай бұрын
  • Thank you SO MUCH!!!

    @nadyagorch7443@nadyagorch74432 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you 💓

    @kitamahmad1941@kitamahmad19412 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you Sam. I'll look into Judith Hermann and the masking of CPTSD as Borderline Personality Disorder. Also, your warning hasn't gone unheeded. I find difficulty in writing my own script as the abuse was so overwhelming, and I have trouble finding and relying on myself. Yet, there is freedom in taking responsibility for my own contributions to the abuse, even if it is due to identifying as being a victim. Thanks again~ Have a great New Year.

    @lissawick2171@lissawick21713 жыл бұрын
  • Great video, thank you. Very helpful

    @sandranikolvlckova6560@sandranikolvlckova65602 жыл бұрын
  • I absolutely love you omg!! Thank you for your honesty!!!

    @alexiajoneslifeintherapy@alexiajoneslifeintherapy Жыл бұрын
  • thanks professor so very very insightfull

    @lesclark878@lesclark8782 жыл бұрын
  • My daughter is becoming a victim to appease her fragile narcissist mate, who is isolating her from her healthy relationships. Her healthy relationships threaten his total control of her and my grandchildren. My daughter is developing this. She is becoming the narcissist she is joined to And I can see his next moves, and they will hurt her like she has never experienced before. I see it. I know what is next because of observing his patterns and understanding this disorder now. I wish I understood this much earlier. Before she was brainwashed. During the moments I could have helped her manage this.

    @katiehav1209@katiehav120911 ай бұрын
  • Your honesty is refreshing. We all make choices with cptsd or not I have bdp.

    @ShellC888@ShellC888 Жыл бұрын
  • Thank you Sam for all your work for us to understand the mental disorders. Beyond happy to get to know you on youtube.

    @helinatomeh9571@helinatomeh9571 Жыл бұрын
  • Thx so much. Your words ...i cant tell you more than... מציל נפשות אתה.תודה אלף תודות

    @user-xx8un8zr2b@user-xx8un8zr2b Жыл бұрын
  • I don't know what i am. I just think it's better if I'm not anything anymore. It's all too difficult.

    @JohnJohn-hd1pc@JohnJohn-hd1pc Жыл бұрын
  • It's ture, it's kind of strange to call my self a victim as I was as much a part of the process as the other side. I was allowing it, kind of aiming for this kind of relationship. The only true statement would be, that I was victim of my-own inner enemy. It felt like she was the the intrusive trojan horse, but a trojan horse was already inside and in control and all the paths for it were already open and no agency to reject it. The trojan horse felt like home and she felt like at home I really don't like to be taken over by trojan horses, but up until this year I have been so excited about the trojan horses, that I opened all doors for them when I saw them coming on the horizon. Not only open all doors, but charging towards them with all the torches lit up for them to find me surely and openly invite them in. This is beautifull captured in this song: kzhead.info/sun/lMWldJGGiXiknmg/bejne.html&ab_channel=F%C3%A1bioSousa "Some body stepped inside your soul, little by little they robbed and stole, till some one else was in control, You think it's easier to put your finger on the trouble, when the trouble is you You think it's easier to know your own tricks, well it's the hardest thing you'll ever do, I have a will for survival and you can hurt me, and hurt me some more, I can live with denial cause you're not my troubles anymore. You think it's easier to give up on the trouble if the trouble is destroying you, You think it's easier, but before you threw your rope it was the only thing I could hold on to.

    @deepsoulsurfer@deepsoulsurfer9 ай бұрын
  • Thank you for making this video. I was held hostage for years and had everything stolen from me and my family all our life savings etc.i never saw myself as the victim untill I seemed help and was told over and over I am a victim. Still then I saw it as I was unaware this level of evil could exist in one human. I am coming out the other end from this and have not tried to get revenge or lower my self and the person I am to his level.As when I woke up to what this person was really doing .my last words to the person were you may have taken everything me and my family worked a life time for but you can't take my soul .I will heal from this and one day be grateful for the experience that turned my life life upside down. I am grateful that I now see I have the choice to life with out you hurting me any more and the fact that I have survived the hell I was forced to live . This will only make me stronger. It is you I feel sorry for because for you to do what you planed for years to do to me. Means you are so broken on the inside. Even after what you have just done to me and my family we have love in our hearts. I forgive you and hope that you could one day feel love and joy ans what happiness feels like. All the money and material things you stole from us won't feel that black hole inside of you. Love can't be brought it can only be felt . I hope you heel and one day can feel love. Goodbye

    @carinavieira9457@carinavieira94573 жыл бұрын
  • Another great video!

    @cholldi@cholldi Жыл бұрын
  • The difference is I reacted to the abuse. I didn’t aim to torture or abuse him.

    @kalikodelevere5008@kalikodelevere50089 ай бұрын
  • Christ speaks about the one who seeks to 'thieve; devour and destroy'...which is the opposite of Christ who comes to give you life and life more abundantly. ✨

    @eykyemtammyushru2337@eykyemtammyushru2337 Жыл бұрын
  • Damn 🤦🏾‍♀️

    @MsDeongi@MsDeongi Жыл бұрын
  • Im just on the fence thinking im a borderline

    @clairedraper7099@clairedraper70993 күн бұрын
  • Fact: We all know narc wants to destroy the victim (which could be a parent, a child, a spouse, etc.) While still under the control of the narc, do some victims try to drag friends/family into their own destruction? For 30 years I had a good and normal relationship with my son. One day, I decided to move in this city to get closer to him and 3 children (1 with the narc). I was living my live, he was living his life, BUT the narc one day, during a crisis, called me to.... ask me to influence my son to get out of his own house!!! I'm an empath who detect rapidly toxic people and cannot be easy manipulated. Of course I said NO to the narc. 2 other occasions during which I told her NO to delinquent acts. Since she could not control me, she succeeded in turning everyone against me, even the 1st mother with whom I never had a problem before during 15 years. To sum up, I had to escape and move back to my previous city to protect myself when she succeeded in turning my own son against me. He was so mean in his messages that I had to cut off the relationship. I could not recognize him anymore. Where were all his qualities? Gone! He wanted to drag me in his destruction by asking me money many times, asking me to sign the mortgage because he will probably lose his house, etc. I was so generous with the children and my son (including giving money once + visiting him in jail each week when he was there because of her), but now I am the very bad grandma because I don't let myself destruct, and don't let myself control (they want me there again like a slave at their service) and I don't tolerate disrespectful language... I now live my independent grandma life far away with no contact with everybody including my son because he was so emotionally dangerous, but it is so sad to see my son voluntarily drowning himself and not be able to do nothing, except getting closer and be destroyed and financially ruined myself... Did you try to drag your friends/family in your own destruction caused by the narc (whether financially, emotionally, other)?

    @dan8046@dan80463 жыл бұрын
    • One more thing: I leave this message to those still under the control of a narc: don't be cruel with friends/family who detect the narc. They might say NO even to yourself in order not to be destroyed themselves. Respect their limits ($$$ or other thing). They know your financial situation is created by the narc. They have to cut off the relationship to protect themselves, but the problem is, when you get out of this toxic relationship, you find yourself alone and isolated.

      @dan8046@dan80463 жыл бұрын
  • Most people can take responsibility for the part they played...they just don't want to play or be part of it any more...nothing wrong with that.

    @sharonmatthw8096@sharonmatthw809614 күн бұрын
  • The victim part of a child is a thing they can not do anything about. But it will keep them a victim in adulthood without even always know. I somehow become the child again in some situations and can't get out. You can call it bpd but somehow it will be between the bpd and the npd? Only learned to listen and obey others but after the next "bad story" I resigned in trying. Since a few year I learned to look inside and it can only come outside myself. I'm to introvert and have to move a little more to the other side without becoming the npd 🙂 I avoid all the "9 traits of npd" and so on channels ect. Bought the Judith Herman book , it's very good 👍🏼

    @My_House_@My_House_3 жыл бұрын
    • Professional Victims tend to blame their childhood experiences for being eternal victims. Again, they are victims: this time, of their parents. We must begin to accept that a victimhood stance is narcissistic: grandiose, entitled, and replete with alloplastic defenses.

      @samvaknin@samvaknin3 жыл бұрын
    • @@samvaknin thank you for answering. Always food for thought listening to you. Went for Judith Herman after you mentioned her few lectures ago.

      @My_House_@My_House_3 жыл бұрын
  • How do you stay sane ?

    @Ashleii@Ashleii3 жыл бұрын
    • By refusing to emulate the insane.

      @samvaknin@samvaknin3 жыл бұрын
    • @@samvaknin Thank you for your reply!

      @Ashleii@Ashleii3 жыл бұрын
    • @@samvaknin Are you saying that it is a conscious decision to go insane? Are there any resources to help..if someone is already on the edge...how do they come back? Please help. I sadly announced my intention to divorce and within 6 months i am at the edge, unable to make decisions, or function normally. I understand I am responsible too but how can I save myself and my 2 children.

      @Ashleii@Ashleii3 жыл бұрын
    • @@princessleah187xx4 Everyone is ultimately devalued and discarded.

      @samvaknin@samvaknin3 жыл бұрын
  • Hi Dr. Vaknin - what would you say about a woman who doesn’t see herself as a victim or as an abuser but would simply like a fair fight? The win or loss doesn’t actually matter, simply the integrity of the battle.

    @kristinwalker3327@kristinwalker33273 жыл бұрын
    • Seek help.

      @samvaknin@samvaknin3 жыл бұрын
    • Fair fight? Only if 'all' is fair.

      @MultiZmd@MultiZmd Жыл бұрын
  • The title of the article you read the extract from please

    @riseup..7781@riseup..7781 Жыл бұрын
  • Dear Dr. Vaknin, where can I find your 1995 article, please?

    @Khadeejah.Akyurt@Khadeejah.Akyurt3 жыл бұрын
    • samvak.tripod.com/faq38.html Only the first half of the page is the original article.

      @samvaknin@samvaknin3 жыл бұрын
    • @@samvaknin Thank you so much Dr Vaknin

      @Khadeejah.Akyurt@Khadeejah.Akyurt3 жыл бұрын
  • The only real victims out there are animals and children . Yes I was once a child totally neglected by parents and only realized recently that I was actually suffering from childhood untreated mutism from age 4 and untreated depression,IBS.I finally met a psychiatrist and was diagnosed as CPTSD at age 29. The reason why I am more inactive and slow at healing than other victims is because I don't use victimhood or find that energy meaningful. I thought I was a victim,suicidal and hated the world for not saving me from that toxic family,but it's funny how a burger I was eating that day made me realized how stupid I was, how can say I'm a victim while eating a dead animal ? when I started practicing veganism, I was able to break out of that victimhood.

    @dailypurity1576@dailypurity15762 жыл бұрын
  • Its too late for me. I became the abuser.

    @user-lq8xg@user-lq8xg10 ай бұрын
    • I came back to this video to say that whatever he said is right. I turned into a narcissist. I need help. I have my rational plan of keeping to myself from now on and try to do good in order to make myself feel less guilt and shame. But i am right now not able to actually apologize to the people i abused. Right when writing this, there is the NPD part in me screaming i did not abuse them. They abused me. And thats how fast it goes. Having this illness is not going to get better. I feel hopeless in a way and i am actually glad right now that i am able to feel hopelessness instead of nothing.

      @user-lq8xg@user-lq8xg6 ай бұрын
    • I need help. I want to keep a job and stay as low as possible in meaning of not talking to anyone. And when talking to people to be nice to them always. To save money and get my degree. Make something out of myself. I am 28 years old and i did not graduade. I left all my jobs. Most of them because i felt abused. This happened more in the past years. I did not use to think like this. I was nice and did not think the way i do. My brain is mush. I wonder what happened to me really. I did have an alcoholic father and i grew up around that. But i am trying to get away from that thought because it is blaming and it is NPD behavior. I am trying to feel compassion and it hurts my NPD to not be able to blame but i am happy i am at least trying to not blame and start learning. My intellect is my biggest insecurity. I hate the fact i did not do groundbreaking work but i also never tried. What if i try? I do believe that me being a narcissist and not having a big IQ will never bring me that satisfaction but there still is a part in me that is delusional and cant accept being a normal human being with flaws and that people laughing at my stupid mistakes is not them trying to abuse me or calling me dumb. Its fucking hard breaking through all of this. I am still new to realizing and accepting. I do feel good about myself about one thing. That i am so commited to not make any friends even again and keep people away from me except for my therapist and parents. Who deserve to be punished still. They neglected me and set me up to be a shell of a person by praising me and giving me everything. FUCK THEM. Thanks for reading if someone even read this. It doesnt matter. It helped me somehow writing things down.

      @user-lq8xg@user-lq8xg6 ай бұрын
  • I couldn't help but giggle, as I listened to your theory.... Spot on! It's the nakedness we all try to cover within ourselves, even from ourselves... Much like a cat cover's its poop. Who wants to know they are full of poop!!!! lolol. Fantastic insight if one is strong enough to accept it. I believe all cluster B disorders are one disorder that is fluid, thus the high rate of co morbidity that is often diagnosed. Watching this video i was able to identify my trait pattern. Default personality bpd, which is vulnerable. psychopath comes forward when threatened, then the narcissist comes forward to tell everyone how mistreated i was! lol. Thank you for the insight!! Sooo... what does one do next? How do we take the next step into wholeness?

    @amyvaknin3313@amyvaknin33133 жыл бұрын
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