Get a full month of MUBI FOR FREE: mubi.com/thetake (With the support of Creative Europe - MEDIA Programme of the European Union) | By the end of David Fincher’s The Social Network, you almost feel sorry for Mark Zuckerberg. The film aims to tell a true story about how Facebook became one of the most powerful companies in the world, but Aaron Sorkin’s screenplay takes certain liberties with that truth. It gives Zuckerberg’s story a dramatic scope that-despite painting him as cold and ruthless-also humanizes him, inviting our natural sympathies. And this story has affected how we perceive the real Mark Zuckerberg, with real-world consequences. Here’s our Take on how The Social Network turns Mark Zuckerberg into a character, and what responsibility movies have when it comes to shaping our impressions of real-life people.
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By the end of the movie, I literally feel bad for everybody BUT Mark.
Exactly...I have no sympathy for him waiting for a friend request from his ex to be accepted...it made me happy. He just ends the movie as an inhuman douche.
True, what little sympathy you might have had for him getting dumped at the beginning quickly vanishes when you see what a colossal dick he is to basically everyone over the course of the movie. In fact, you'd likely applaud Erica, and even wonder how she ever tolerated Mark for as long as she did! 🎉💕😍
Mark and Sean I believe, the drug addled one. I hated them both by the end of the movie.
Honestly same, I mean he took away everything from all the people that helped him get to the place he was, and then expects them to just come back to him. The fact that they didn't come back is honestly what he deserved, he shouldn't have taken advantage of all of that the way he did.
David Bentley his ex that he called a bitch
You missed one: in the movie Mark is depicted as a human, whereas in reality he's a very advanced android.
He was a human
Lizard
Why do people hate Mark Zuckerberg (I am asking this because I've been living under a rock for a very long time.)
Sonia Miru Hansdah People hate Zuckerberg because they hate Facebook. They hate Facebook for monetizing everyone's personal life. For turning into a panopticon. For becoming indispensable to commerce and everyone's social life by reading their diaries and playing mind games.
@@leemealone8622 Thanks for the info.I hope you don't mind me asking you to explain it in Layman's term. I am sorry.
“You almost feel sorry for mark zuckerberg” Uhh... that’s where you’re wrong.
I feel for Winklevii, Div and Eduardo more than anybody.
Not even almost. I felt so bad for the twins and Eduardo.
The real Zuckerberg baffles me. Why has he made himself the face of Facebook? He looks like he's so uncomfortable he's going to pass out anytime he has to speak publicly. And he does nothing to make Facebook more appealing as a brand, Facebook sold itself. People embraced it in spite of him being off-putting. Why didn't he just choose to be like the Google guys or something and rake in the money calling shots behind the scenes??
@@ashuhlea I like how you feel for them more but still refer to them by their slightly insulting Zuckerberg dubbed plural form of Winkelvii.
"The movie wants to tell a story of how Facebook became as big as it is" No. That's also wrong. The movie is about a breaking friendship
Wait. People see this movie and feel sympathy for Zuckerberg?? We must not have watched the same movie 😂
Lollll i was thinking the same
Because Eisenberg plays socially awkward nerd well and like the video said it humanises the robot that is the real Zuckerberg
Was just about to say the same!!! I did not feel sorry at ALL for him?
@@jamesgreenldn I didn't read his character as socially awkward but just the same dick as everyone else who tried to take advantage of him.
Only slightly, since he feels isolated from his success, and realizes that Erica had a point about him. However, he was still a massive tool to everyone around him, which slightly negates the previous sympathy towards him. ☺️
"...because we're gentlemen of Harvard." As a Harvard graduate, I can state definitely that no one at Harvard has ever said that in conversation without getting laughed at.
I think it's supposed to be literalizing an idea, but that's a funny observation regardless.
Maybe it has to do with different generations OR different class groups that pretty much don't intervine. So if you don't belong to local elite, you don't really know if they could say that between themselves. Correct me if I'm wrong
It's a whole thing that people don't even say they went to Harvard. They went to school in Boston.
He did get laughed at right after that line he got called stupid
I don’t have any sympathy for someone who has no morals socially awkward or not
Manophere. com Mate, get some help. And a paper bag.
Manophere. com You’re like my crazy boyfriend but since we’re not having ✨coitus✨ and I’m assuming you’re currently living in your parent’s garage, there’s no need for me to keep listening to you. But hey, if my bf keeps getting crazier, I’ll just send him your way because *we’re all in this together*
whats wrong with having no morals
Miriam Not paying attention to what CNN is doing to the country won’t make it go away.
DO people really have morals?
not once in this whole movie did I empathize for Zuckerberg
@Manophere. com this isn't about men but rather one person. Men, women and other people have challenges and experiences both informed by and *way* beyond their gender and that's a reality.
@Manophere. com you must be deluding yourself. Please don't reply to this, it's a disgusting thing to lure someone into exposing their sick side and I will not participate in that.
@@availanila you're replying to someone called "manosphere" and expecting them to be reasonable and make sense. Don't waste your time lol - he's stuck in 2015
@@thequickbrownfox7604 I stopped that real fast. I know incels exist but some of them are facing genuine frustrations and trying to rationalize it the best they can. Empathy kept me from getting argumentative with him more after that; especially when I got here shortly after he spammed replies here. I wish him the best though. 😅👍
how did you get through it?
The take: how to depict a billionaire robot as a sympathetic character
Hell no.
I didn't really feel sorry for Zuckerberg during most of the movie, since he was responsible for most of his problems. However, when he's silently contemplating Erica's Facebook profile, you can't help but feel A LITTLE sorry for him, since he's alienated everyone who cared about him before he became a raging success. 😢
Trina Q wasn’t the point to not feel sorry? I don’t think Zuckerberg is a robot(metaphorically). He’s human but some just suck and are unsympathetic
I like R2D2 far more than Zuckerberg.
that definitely should have been the title for this video
I didn’t feel like the film make him look sympathetic. I remember after watching it thinking “this guy has no loyalty or understanding of ethics” which seems to be accurate even now
I like the movie, but, no, i've never felt simpathy for Mark Zuckerberg. And you forgot to mention the toxic masculinity in the movie. But i understood your point.
@@Chris-rg6nm The way Mark and Sean treated women.
@@denisefreitas6727 dude, that's just sexism, stop trying to rephrase it. The regular word is fine.
@@denisefreitas6727 also when saying "toxic masculinity" you are implying that only men can be sexist because it's applying a bad connotation to a male trait. Sexism is just a way better word for it and more people will listen to you if you just say sexism.
@@zoggybread9073 Hey, i love men. I just don't like Men like them. And about the term i used, i heard it from a friend of mine who is a movie critic here in Brazil. He made an essay about this movie titled "The Toxic Masculinity of The Social Network. Ok? Peace!❤️
@@zoggybread9073 I accept your advice. Thank you.❤️
It made him look more human than a robot
@@Solmaz_S Can you explain what you mean by global collapse of culture
Lizardperson
@@Solmaz_S the Devil can be human too
The good news has once again come to you today. You can inherit the kingdom of God even if you are a sinner.. after all we are all sinners in God's standards of justice and holyness (he says that if a man looks at a woman with lust he has already committed adulterly with her in his heart NO MAN IS THAT PURE😅).....All you have to do is to honestly humbly pray repent turn away from sins (read the10 commandments) and trust that Jesus for his love❤❤ for you he left his throne in heaven and came to the world he was humbled humiliated betrayed beaten and killed for your sake to pay the fine of your sins and mine so that we won't spend our eternity in hell but with him in heaven...this might be the last time you read the gospel...Look around🔥🔥 be smart..the end is nigh🔥 ..He is coming back soooon not as the sacrificed lamb of God🐑..but as King of Kings🤴 the judge of the whole world..Your soul is on the line😭😭. Eternity is a long time.
Which was an inaccurate depiction and an obfuscation of material facts.
maybe i watched a different movie but i never once felt sorry for mz lmao like even in the end when he sent erica a friend request i was like "unhinged" the only person i felt sorry for was eduardo saverin
... yeah...the "take" is way off on this..even andrew garfield got more fame than the already famous jessi eisenberg..
Andrew Garfield played Saverin so likeable, but in real life Saverin isn't a benevolent creature either. He still went on to make a fortune through investment, despite slightly set back by MZ
I feel like the story of Amazon starting in a garage has a similar effect. We have this macabre fascination with the rich and powerful that’s really unhealthy. Beyond even that though, a lot of people seem to have this feeling that if someone faced enough adversity, worked hard enough or otherwise somehow “earned” power on that level, then isn’t that okay? And the answer is...no! Of course not! It doesn’t matter how you got there, if you have that level of power you are a threat and should be treated as such. Any abuse of that power and it should be stripped away from you. But that doesn’t happen, and it’s ridiculous in the most disturbing way imaginable.
Yeah these movies that portray the rich and privilege as the good guys. The only rich and powerful billionaires I like are Batman and Iron Man. Creating these sympathetic movies has a bit of a danger to them. I'd rather the director own up to what was in the movie. This is a man with entirely too much power.
Well said👏 People have a strange way of sympathizing with those in privileged positions which only further perpetuates the power imbalance. I really don't get it. It starts with elevating the popular kids in school and it seems we never really grow out of it. I guess it's people wanting to associate themselves with a privileged identity they know they'll never truly inhabit.
Yuji Kim so then we have to start going in the other direction, and we bring along as many people as we can. If five people each convince two people and those two people do the same...that’s how things change.
Yuji Kim I also think part of why it’s so tempting to sympathize with them is because there’s a lot of people who want to be like them. Through this kind of story, whether it’s a film or just shared information, the idea that we could be responsible for the next Facebook, the next Amazon, whatever, feels a little more within reach to many.
Bro you are a low IQ powerless idiot, stop hating what you don't understand. There's nothing unhealthy or macabre about conquering power and wealth through tech, if anything it's admirable and worth being looked up to as great successes of our time. 3000 years ago, these people would have created literal empires, remember the kids who founded the roman empire weren't older than Zuckerberg.
Please cover how nostalgia is portrayed in the media. For instance, period pieces set in the 1980's or 1990's such as "Stranger Things" or "Derry Girls" are becoming popular because it reminds others of a simpler time, and one we think fondly of looking back, despite some darker elements associated with the eras. ♥️🎶😎
YES PLEASE!
Same as how in the 80s films like Back to the Future, Grease ect. romanticised the 1950s. Remember Lindsey Ellis talking about it as the 30 year cycle. Comes down to an issue that people only want to remember the good and want to act as if the now is so much worse. When the truth is every decade has its own successes and it own problems. There's no such thing as "a simpler time" it's just that creators now we're children back then and therefore mostly ignorant of the problems back then.
While I think this is an interesting, worthy topic, I wouldn't use Derry Girls as an example. I don't think anyone living through The Troubles, even the tail end of them, would call it "a simpler time." Instead it's a show that, IMO, seeks to find the ordinary joys and sorrows that teens can experience despite living through a tumultuous era. It's the silver lining in the darkness.
The Americans would be a good juxtaposition of nostalgia mixed with the negative truths. I think these will remain popular decades due to huge changes in technology that can complicate storytelling.
I personally don’t think they are getting popular because they remind us of a simpler time, since most people that watch these shows aren’t from that era, i think they are popular because they are entertaining and genuinely good, Back to the future is a really good movie in my opinion, i like the fact that they put Major Wilson as a person that has dreams and goals, and afterwards accomplished them, but it is true that it does romanticized the 50’s in some non-realistic ways, and we don’t tend to look at the bad side of it, since there was clearly many things wrong in those eras, im glad i was born in a more accepting era(but we still have a long way to go)and im glad im able to enjoy liberties that were not given back then. I personally like 80’s movies and classic rock, but that doesn’t mean i agree with their morals or beliefs. Vintage style, not vintage values:)
I feel like no one actually thinks that about Zuckerberg. Most people think he’s a robot, not a hero. And the movie criticizes the “revenge of the nerds” logic. That’s what Mark is meant to grow out of by the end.
good perspective!
i still find it so funny Sorkin tried to make a student at Harvard, an "outsider" lmao he tried though
Being an outsider has nothing to do with your social standing or eduction. In fact, it has nothing to do with morality either. Within the environment Mark found himself apart of at that time, he was in fact an outsider. In the sense that took it upon himself to socially distance himself from all other humans and relationships due to his own ego. He’s still a well off, white collar, college boy, but an outsider none the less
I love the movie but it hasn't affected the way I perceive the real Mark Zuckerberg As far as I'm concerned Jesse eisenberg Mark Zuckerberg is a lot better than Mark Zuckerberg Mark Zuckerberg Great movie Excellent dialogue one of my motivations for getting into technology Still hate Facebook
I think that's an exaggeration, it doesn't affect how I view Mark Zuckerberg, he's a prick.
The Social Network actually makes him look almost human. Almost.
Yeah Jesse’s Zuckerberg is more interesting and human than the real man.
What in the movie motivated you to get into technology? Not being an asshole, just genuinely curious
after everything that’s happened, we need a sequel to this film.
YES
Social Network 2: Revenge of the Winklevii LOL
I haven't seen this film, but just from your summary, I don't feel sorry for Zuckerberg at all or see him as the trope of the "underdog nerd seeking revenge". He seems like a power-hungry brat who'd backstab and belittle people no matter what line of work he got into. The movie ending with him having only his ill-gotten creation for company isn't sad, it's karmic justice.
@Manophere. com What are you on about? I didn't mention anything regarding the current issues with the company or rating men and blaming them for things. And I didn't say one word about feminism. Looks like you're just the kind of guy Zuckerberg's movie portrayal would appeal to.
@@AliciaNyblade ignore him. He thinks this is a "symptomn of society's misandry" AKA a fool. He's actually replying to a lot of comments (mostly by people he thinks are women) with this.
@@availanila Ah, got it. Thanks for the heads up.
As someone who has seen the movie, that’s pretty accurate
@Alicia Nyblade, the sad part is there are people like him or share his nature in the real world that people/everybody likes and they prosper
If you read his Wikipedia bio, you'll find that he comes from privilege too. His father is/was a dentist who put him in coding classes at a young age.
Look up what a Harvard tuition costs and what other entry barriers there are and than come back and repeat that first sentence with a good conscience. I'm so tired of these ragged to riches stories for tech founders. Yeah, many they started their company in the garage. At the cost of having to park the Rolls Royce and the Lamborghini outside.
@@SarahAndreaRoycesChannel you realize these schools have a lot of financial aid. Nobody actually pays the amount listed online. You need to do better research than that.
@@explodingfiregaming *rofl*
Genius isn’t something you’re born with, Its not something you earn. Genius is a status we assign powerful and famous people (mostly men) so we can ignore the complex social reality that stands behind them and props them up. MZ isn’t a tortured and troubled man of superior intellect, he’s a privilege Harvard boy, a product of the free market’s greed and his own desire to value profit over basic human decency.
Human decency? What is that in comparison to capitalism.
he also has a superior intellect. lol how are you dodging that reality
“Genius isn’t real” imagine thinking this. Your perception of the world must be bleak.
couldn't have said it better. There are enough stories abt these "tortured" men, and how they're assholes only because of the way ppl treated them. A lot of times it's more the other way, especially when they are from such a privileged class edit: yes he is also super smart - but smart should not have to equal arrogant
@@balloonfiesta15 sounds like you're trying to cope to me. I think they call that rationalisation.
Wait, people feel sympathy for Zuckerberg in this movie. I do not one iota.
I know I'm so confused lol
@@viracocha nobody cares about his riches he's still a douche nonetheless
@@viracocha also don't we have the right to resent someone who built their wealth of the exploitation of others? It's not the fact that he's rich that angers people it's how he "earned" those riches and what he does with it that angers people. Mark Zuckerberg is not a good person, he never was, he never will be, and no amount money will change that
@@viracocha not true in the slightest. Detestable people deserve to be called out regardless of their wealth and status. If Mark had just been some random guy I'd still call him out for being an awful person and doing awful things. However, the fact that Mark is wealthy and has a considerable amount of control over people's lives and privacy means that the consequences of his actions have further-reaching impacts on people like the genocide and Myanmar or the selling of data to Cambridge Analytica Ir the fact that he tried to force an entire group of people of their ancestral home in Hawaii just ao he could build yet another vacation home. In short, we aren't criticizing mark bc he's rich we're criticizing Mark bc he uses his power and influence in ways that hurt people. Like an asshole
@@viracocha if he wasn't rich nor the founder of Facebook he'd be too obscure to have any influence and notoriety therefore a problem in a *very* small sphere of people that would not affect us.
Did we watch the same movie? Him sitting alone is pathetic, not pity. Even after years and success he is still the same asshole/creep combo. Everyone else improved themselves, learned, grew. He didn't change. He didn't fall to his flaws, he just keep on trucking. You can still learn from a tragedy but not feel bad from those who went through it.
L Lawliet also perfectly fits the asshole/creep combo,Mark Zuckerberg in this movie was more interesting than him.
"Zuckerberg was confident?" We've heard him speak 🙄
I’ve seen bots write more coherent sentences 🤷♂️
Armie Hammer were hot in this movie.
Tacoma98 yes. This is the most important fact.
He is hot in every way.
this comment aged like milk
Never felt sympathy towards Mark... I’m Saverin gang 4 life 🤙
A friend of mine asked me once, why the history of the last decade isn't told in schools, and why historians seemingly avoid topics on recent events. This is the reason. You can't understand the situation you're in. There's no way to see the big picture when things are still very much in motion. Facebook was pretty much nothing in 2010 compared to what it is now. It's a bit like the scientific method because when you're observing something, you're part of the observation. Same way, Sorkin crafting a story out of something he couldn't understand he tailored reality. It's really scary, and I wish people would recognize, that a story is never just a story especially when the topic is this huge. You're ultimate is responsibility is not towards storytelling, but humanity.
I concur with the statement in Honest Trailers. The Social Network is the world's smartest movie about the world's dullest premise. LOL
That's why I've deleted my FB. I'm done with it's destructive nature.
The sad thing is that Instagram is becoming the same way. It’s owned by Facebook :(
@@Maria-xu4vd Instagram now requires anyone to have an account with them to see the contents. Users generate the contents, but they put up essentially a pay wall to reap all the benefits and take no responsibility for the negative impacts on the world. No, thank you.
Me too. Quitting it is one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. Totally agree on Instagram, it’s the worst of them all because it’s a completely image-based popularity contest.
YO I got locked out of my Facebook when I changed phones and it was asking for my drivers license number????
I never gave it but I was still like what the Zuck?! lol
I was literally wondering when The Take would upload another video then I immediately got a notification for this video! Haha
The Take has successfully downloaded the chip in your head 😂.
Shelly Carpenter and I’m okay with this haha
You guys should really check out HBO's Euphoria, it deals with so many different themes and issues it will provide you with very interesting material
Totally, I was pleasantly surprised by how gritty and groundbreaking it was, and it felt so reflective of the issues that real teenagers face daily, without being preachy or talking down to them. ♥️💯
YES!
The makeup and outfits are Iconic too! Totally changed the way I dress nowadays.
@@trinaq Plus, one episode was co-written by one of the actors who plays a teenager.
His story, just like every self-entitled, rich businessman of today, was embellished to lower himself to us. He didn't have a rags to riches story. In fact, he came from an upper-middle class background!
same goes for the jerk Justin Timberlake played.
the movie tell the touching story of a shy and awkward android trying to make humans meet and love each other with an algorithm from his planet.
Humans can be crap too and don't metaphorically become androids. Plus people want androids to take over the world
Do a take on crazy ex girlfriend PLEASE
Yes please, that show is ripe for analysis, and deconstructs and subverts tropes to perfection! 👌😍
Just started watching it the other day and I’m officially OBSESSED
Also a take on the America’s favorite superheroine Rosa Diaz
@@misspeaches1144 but are you adorably obsessed? Also for analysis of CXG, look no further than Bagels After Midnight.
Molly Pocrass that reference made my day 😂
15:29 Okay, I don't think we should confuse geek/nerd culture with the geek/nerd community. Just because geek culture has become more mainstream does NOT mean geeks are no longer marginalized. It's this same attitude which leads people to think that because black culture has become more mainstream means that people of color no longer face marginalization when we know that is far from true. Not saying that being a person of color is same as being geek, just making an example don't cancel me bro. I don't think we should deny that Mark Zuckerberg was an underdog during his early rise to power, but now of the establishment and as result should be treated accordingly.
It's an exceptional movie, no matter who says what. As for Jesse as Mark, he has done a good job. Mark... well, people know him as an emotionless asshole. And the movie depicts the same beautifully.
I didn’t feel bad for him at all. Mostly I sat back and said, Mark Zuckerberg WISHES he looked like Jesse Eisenberg. And so do we! Ha ha
Honestly Fincher was kind to cast Eisenberg as Zuckerberg, I would have casted the ugliest man my eyes have ever presenced
"OK, let's take an unpopular view and then defend it for 20 minutes." But there is no "there" there.
It seems in 2020 this movie makes him far less of a sympathetic character, with all of the controversy surrounding user data collection and how that is used for commercial and political means.
and how Social Media just sucks
I feel like having Jesse Eisenberg as Mark Zuckerberg made me pity him way less than the movie wanted me to.
@Otter Pop Culture, isn't that the point?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 ahhh I see.
@@TheCaliforniaboy1 I could be wrong but judging how this movie was received from general audiences and those same people are saying the same thing about Zuckerberg in the movie, I think its the point
@@TheCaliforniaboy1 I think the dude Justin Timberlake played was even worse in some cases
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 oh for sure! I definitely that was the point.
I was idolizing this guy after I saw the movie for the first time. God I was an idiot.
Look up the mark zuckerberg wax statue after this video. It looks more like a human person than any actual photo of the man.
You know its really shitty to drop on someone because how of they do or do not respond via body language to something. There are so many better things to shit on Zuckerberg for.
"You know, you really don't need a forensics team to get to the bottom of this. If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you'd have invented Facebook."
First lie: Zuckerberg has charisma
I appreciate the point that Hollywood changes facts for entertainment, if they want to tell a story through a movie, at least make it accurate
no they should make it however they want, thats why we have worlds set in midevial periods but everyone runs around with magic and stuff ..
@@LiEnby That is different than portraying a real life person
This is the fastest I’ve ever been to the comments section 🙂. This channel is great even if Die Hard isn’t a Christmas Movie 🤔
Die hard is the best Christmas movie kthxbai!
wrong opinion - but liked because funny
Always gives me the chills, these chilling stories about the social media!
Please analyze the film "Gladiator" (2000) next!! It's turned twenty years old, and I think there could be a lot of potential for analysis (the meaning of ambition, the definition of 'masculinity', and even the evolution in historical epic films)
The Social Network 2 where the Social Network 1 exists in it, with Jesse Eisenberg resuming his role, sounds like a great meta sequel.
The Take: The Social Network misses the opportunity to bring to light the power of a media platform that can shape your opinion Also the Take: Moobi is a wonderful media platform that picks out what you should watch
Me after watching this film 2 weeks ago: “oh I guess Zuckerberg sold our personal information to the Russians because Erica Albright dumped him. Totally makes sense”
What a bad take from The Take. Because watching the social network I did not at all feel like Zuckerberg was such a character to feel that badly for in and it just confirmed our thoughts on billonaires like him. So we dont idolize him and realize how he is an awful human being.
ULGROTHA these commenters don’t understand this is a movie and character study first and foremost, that depicts an origin anti-hero character. It’s like “wow this character has [a bad characteristic]. This character is problematic and dogshit and I hate him. Also, toxic masculinity.” It seems they can only view movies through a social-political lens.
A truly interesting video. Your analysis was quite nuanced.
*"The internet's not written in pencil, it's written in ink." - Mark's Ex* *Oh contraire when there's the option to delete sent-chat messages.*
The biggest one is trying to convince us zucc isnt a lizzard
I feel like Jessie Eisenberg’s character is more Facebook itself than actually Mark Zuckerburg. That’s the point of his character being the way it is: a reflection on the social network
The problem with modern society or society at any point of time in the world is that you have to be ruthless to become successful. But the differences is the magnitude of that ruthlessness and the choices you make, you have to take bold decisions to do something impactful but for that you should not forget empathy towards people and help them. Truth is you can't save everyone but you can save someone.
Watch this movie as a Shakespearean drama and not an accurate depiction of reality
that's a great analogy
Well, I appreciate the thoughtful take as always, but really: especifically because I watched (and rewatched, and rewatched...) The Social Network, nothing that Zuckerberg ended up doing surprised me. The guy portrayed in the movie is obviously capable of all of that and more. The fact that he is a human being with motivations and regrets in the film just makes it well-written (all evil people should be all of that in all the movies), not sympathetic to him. Furthermore, the portrayal of geek culture in the film is years ahead of its time in a sense that it captures the toxicity and warped values inherent to it, something that we as a society only began to notice years later.
I fear people don't know what empathy is; as humans we can ALL be empathic towards ANYONE, we can feel pity and go Aww even towards "terrible" people, the whole point of sociopaths and psycopaths is that these people struggle in understanding other peoples emotions and being empathic. I can say I understand that someone feels rejected and thet they can feel pain and also think that they are not so great, after all we ourselves can feel pain and also act like assholes.
Have you/can you ever covered the characters in that’s 70s show?
God! Premiered 10 years ago! Feels like just 6-7 years
the cinematography was ahead of its time
Saying Zuckerberg is hero of The Social Network is kind of saying Magneto is the hero of the X-men movies and comics because he's an Holocaust survivor or Thanos is the hero of the Avengers movies because he wants to avoid a repetition of the tragedy of his world. Just because the villain has understandable motives doesn't make his actions right.
@I See Nothing Worth Liking, then why do they think their methods are the best solution? Where do you draw that line?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 They think their methods are right because they have a twisted worldview.
I See Nothing Worth Liking then why do people like and root for them? Ozymandias From Watchmen is also similar and his way worked and won at the end
I See Nothing Worth Liking then why do people side with them. I be heard people say they would rather be villains and would join Magneto’s Brotherhood
Rooney Mara is pretty great as a one scene performer. In both this and Her she has quite a screen presence in a sole scene.
The betrayal of Eduardo Saverin was the saddest to watch :(
I deleted my facebook after watching the movie lmao
@Google profile I was not using it anymore, only for school and such, but the movie was like that little push to delete it lol
Well, it finally happened... Congratulations, 2020! For the first time ever I * rotundly * disagree with one of The Take's analysis.... Thanks a lot, 2020, you've done it again! Sympathy? Really? My only dilemma in this awesome movie is whether my perception of Zuckerberg as a major world class *&+€¿#!$@"%* comes from the movie or from himself in real life...
Hey, so I think your perception of Zuckerberg is much deeper than most of the common population would even think of going. You realise that he’s an ugly and disgusting person for doing the things he did, but this isn’t most of the world. They’re mostly concerned with his phenomenal “success” (more like assholery), and see him as an aspirational figure, and they could get fooled by this movie. You, on the other hand, have a clearly deeper outlook towards media, and life in general maybe. See, the fact that you admit with EVERY SINGLE video that The Take comes out with, shows that you’re generally a person who likes to dig deep to find problems with the patriarchal society we live in, because honestly, if you look at it, all of The Take’s videos are inspired by a yearn for justice somewhere or the other, especially for the people who are not in positions of privilege. This video, I think, also is different in how it’s only pointing out the discrepancies in the movie, as in how it changed the narrative to fit an agenda (not even surprised at this, I didn’t know who this Sorkin person was before this, but as much as I saw him in the video, he looks like any other common white man, so maybe he did try to switch the narrative to present a white man as a slight victim, you know?) while most of the other videos are an actual Take, an in-depth analysis of the movie’s philosophy and themes. I think that’s mostly why you disagree with this video. They’ve mostly presented facts here. If they were to present their Take on it, I think it’d be something like, “This movie sensationalises incels”. Just my opinion. And also my trial to convince you that you should stick around, these girls know what they’re doing.
@@paridhikhare551 Since when has anyone ever seen Zuckerberg as an aspirational figure? He is seen as more evil than Adolf Hitler and the Nazis these days. People want him dead right now, and I can't blame them too much.
@@johnhoney5089 Okay, I don’t really remember what headspace I was in when I was writing that, and it’s quite a big answer so I’m not reading it (not doing so well mentally), but I’m still not gonna deny that there are people who worship the guy- just like there’s some who worship Bill Gates, Bezos, Ambani, Adani, etc. See, it doesn’t make sense to me, and it’s absolutely fucking disgusting, but people do worship assholes who step on necks and screw others over, simply because they’ve achieved a ginormous amount of power and control and money which could obviously never be achieved if you were not a scheming, plotting, conniving little bastard. Some people, especially privileged men born in privileged, rich business families, actually aspire to this shit. Seeing others as competition is all they do- some of them look at living beings, human and non-human, and all they see is “resources”.
i love when they do takes on mainstream movies
Misleading Title. Also, Accidental Billionaires was mainly the Facebook story told from Eduardo's standpoint. No wonder he looks like a victim in The Social Network. Meanwhile, Mark will never shake off this lopsided depiction of the whole affair. In spite of it, I still love Sorkin's work.
I would feel sorry for Mark Zuckerberg if it wasn’t for the fact that he’s a robot. He can just program himself to feel better!
The take is the last uncorrupt media outlet 🙏
I like the framing of the movie that in one case he's the good guy(vs the winkelvii) and in the other(vs Eduardo) he's the bad guy. It's a great example of how perspective changes our perceptions. He's the hardworking underdog or the heartless backstabber depending on which case we're focusing on
Was Eduardo the jerk Justin Timberlake played?
The movie, even with all it’s flaws, is still an all time great. The music was PERFECT.
Your videos are so amazing and interesting. I wish you make a video on Six Feet Under or character essays like you did for Mad Men or The Office. They are all so interesting
We in the comments can call him anything but that guy isn't gonna be affected cause he holds that kinda power at such a young age. And he is also a brilliant businessman which can be seen as his companys wealth is only increasing even though noone uses facebook anymore. More than that my sister works in facebook she said he is extremely cool even during the most difficult times. Hate him and call him names all you want but none of us can reach where he is by doing that.
No professional lawyer would ever utter the words, "You're not an asshole, Mark. You're just trying so hard to be". Jesus, that part was cringe. As if Rashida Jones' character charmed her way into the real Mark Zuckerberg finding a moment of self-reflection, what a load.
I wonder if they could make a sequel to The Social Network based on the events of the past ten years, continuing the same actors and characters and narrative. Would be interesting
Great job!
Did anyone else think Eisenberg’s verbal tic of superfast speech reminded them of Ben Shapiro, another polarizing figure with a penchant for speed-talking and a rep for not suffering lightly dissenting opinions?
Me watching the imitation game on a “historically accurate“ movie list on Ms. Mojo and then watches it on this video being all confused👁👄👁 i think the imitation game is a great movie. I absolutely love it, and Benedict as Alan is just absolute gold in my opinion
At first, I was skeptical of the video would say anything I haven’t already heard, but such an assumption was wrong. Really good video, and really good point about how the fictional film could have real-life consequences on how we view someone
So the average viewer can't compartmentalize and think "this is a movie and probably not true at all" and "this is the creator of a social media network that no one knows anything about"? I don't know. Maybe I've just watched a LOT of biographical films and then looked into the real person afterwards to discover that the movie usually has nothing to do with real life. I don't know of any biographical film that was accurate.
Tbh I don't feel bad for the twins as an idea is essentially worthless unless if your able to execute it. For Eduardo I think it's a bit of a different story.
Think - Kaleida from John Wick plays during Mubi sponsor ad @ 1:44
I’m sure Zuck is sooo miserable with his billions.
Money can't buy happiness.
@@Robin_Glader neither does poverty
I don't feel bad for Mark because he's alone at the end, I feel bad because he doesn't really understand how he ended up alone
Bruh, if you want people to like you then you have to be nice. I find it hard to sympathize with someone with no friends if the reason they have no friends is because they're unfriendly.
By the end of the movie I didn't actually feel bad for Mark, as much as I did for the people he screwed over. I just think that his story in general is interesting and, just like any other person you may dislike, he has sympathetic qualities one may relate to, not that he himself is a sympathetic person.
@Joseph Davila at least he didn't seem sadistic, I know people like him who are more extroverted, gas-lightingish, and sadistic
People keep saying in the comments that the movie doesn't make him sympathetic, or try to make you empathize with him, but they showed the scene, his lawyer gets the final word on the matter, and her closing argument bears no relationship to the character we watched refuse to grow throughout the movie. Yeah, maybe the audience gets to be the jury, but the movie is still the defense.
Interesting. I haven't actually watched the movie and I have never used Facebook, either (really), but I like the idea behind this video. How depictions of real people in movies shape our perception of them, is an interesting question, indeed.
Since you alluded to it, PLEASE DO Steve Jobs, MOLLYS GAME, AND MONEYBALL! LOVE SORKIN!
The number one lie is that Jesse Eisenberg isn’t Michael Cera
The major social networks should have this disclaimer ” we cannot verify the validity of information in any form that is freely posted, accessed and interpreted on the information highway” referred to as the internet or web.
The Social Network is a biopic, not a documentary. These movies shouldn't be looked at as fact, but instead good movies.
Love the soundtrack though
The attempt to humanise the movie version of Mark only made me more aware of how real-life Mark is a robot
Wonderful analysis changes how you see this movie in terms of creating an image of Mark maybe this is why we think of him the way we do
The movie is based less on real life and more on the book “The Accidental Billionaires,” which itself is an embellished retelling of Facebook’s origin story.
then why Would David Fincher tell it based on a falsified book and not real life? How is Zuckerberg different in the real world?
Real_Slim_Shady It wasn’t falsified, just highly embellished. If you read the book you’ll see Fincher took most of his inspiration from that that. I recommend it if you like the movie.
I think part of this has to do with Hollywood's storytelling instincts. It prefers biography stories that put just one genius at the center of any given historical story, so it tends to make history rest on the shoulders of the few. What if the same embellished story was told centering someone who has a problem with Zuckerburg ,maybe a student attacked on that early attack site, who slowly discovers all Mark's other enemies and moral betrayals even as Zuckerburg becomes harder and harder to actually take to task. Slowly the lens in that story would widen making it more the story of one person's inordinate human and corporate impact and leaving his motives frighteningly vague.
This was an excellent video. Our current culture does far too much myth making of the wealthy and powerful while not adequately holding them accountable. Recognizing this is a problem is the first step to fixing it.
I think it's a good take about making Zuckerberg into a character and making people feel that their feelings toward him don't matter in real life, but I don't think the social network is trying to actively make you feel sympathy for him. I think many people might have felt sympathy for him, sure, there are many white misogynistic and narcissistic nerdy men who of course would feel identified, but I think the movie even tries to set those characteristics as something negative; I mean, that it makes a point of demonstrating how this behavior is not good either for the person (Zuckerberg) or for the people that surround him. Following up on the point of a limited audience relating to Zuckerberg, we have the same phenomenon as with Parasite; a lot of rich people liked it, possibly believing the critique and the name of the movie were referring to people "living off" the good, "hardworking" rich people. In the movie, I don't think many can relate to Zuckerberg's way of "not fitting in" and then end the movie still relating to him when he's a millionaire only because he's alone; I think only rich people who are alone could relate and sympathize with such an idea. Obviously, the movie had to give the character some redeemable quality, otherwise it would have been impossible to watch (well I find it rather impossible to watch a movie in which I hate the protagonist); but I don't think it makes people feel any sympathy or pity for him. The message of the movie pretty much was "this self-centered narcissistic asshole wanted to get revenge on women for not liking self-centered narcissistic assholes and stole and bettered the idea of two rich white guys because, well he just believed he could because he's a self-centered narcissistic asshole; he used his best friend, making him more of an asshole; and we see how he started out as a self-centered narcissistic asshole with one friend and no girlfriend; he ends as a self-centered narcissistic asshole with tons of money, legal problems, no friends and no girlfriend." In conclusion, it's more like those "red flags"; like if you meet a guy whose favorite movie is Fight Club (but taken literally), or whose favorite characters are Rick and Morty, run; well, here we have if you meet a guy who sympathized or relates to Zuckerberg in The Social Network, run.
I think I hated the jerk Justin Timberlake played more than Zuckerberg. He deserved a punch to the face.
Also, I think it's very similar to what you said as, in Citizen Kane, we get to see how this infatuation for greed ends up destroying. So for a person like Donald Trump to call it his favorite film without understanding what Rosebud means is laughable. Citizen Kane poses as a warning for the self-centered narcissistic asshole that in the end, your childhood is the only thing that has any remnants of sympathy. I mean, there's a scene wherein iirc, his newspaper company is printing two headlines: "Kane wins Governor" and "Fraud at the polls". This totally should have not gone above his head and should have told that any dreams of pursuing power like President of the United States of America should have stopped him. The Social Network paints it but I think Sorkin's script makes him have sympathetic traits when I first watched it. When I re-watched knowing what Zuckerberg knows, it makes me feel less sympathetic for the character. It could have been I first watched the film when I was 14; 6 years ago. But knowing what I know about narcissism and the human condition, makes me feel repulsed to think Zuckerberg deserves sympathy. But also, Zuckerberg is not the cause for entitled narcissists by rather a symptom.