THE SOCIAL NETWORK - A Villain Origin Story? - The Good, The Bad & The Brilliant
Did The Social Network brilliantly predict the Silicon Valley takeover of our entire culture? Or is it just a cautionary tale about not blogging while drunk? Join Michael and comedian Jamie Loftus as they try to get to the bottom of these questions and more.
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0:55 The Good
7:39 The Bad
17:00 Lightning Round
20:47 The Brilliant
28:45 Rating?
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Featuring: Michael Burns and Jamie Loftus
Supervising Producer: Jared Bauer
Produced by: Evan Yee
Directed by: Michael Luxemburg
Production Design & Graphic Design by: Paul Grant
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The "I'm 6'5, 220, and there's two of me" bit is so memorable.
The whole thing is
Peak Sorkin. So impressed with his own cleverness he goes with something no twin would ever say.
Our theater cracked up at this part
My favorite part of the movie is when he becomes Lex Luthor
Underrated comment.
Haha! Oh man his Lex Luthor was terrible.
Same.
yoohoohooooo, me too
his Lex was more like a Riddler
When that lawyer girls says in the last scene “in the scheme of events this is a speeding ticket” now with all the FB scandals this feels so good.
When Rashida Jones says he's just trying to be "an asshole", she's doesn't mean he's actually a pretty swell guy. She's just commenting on the fact that pretty much his whole story has been driven by him trying to assert himself as a commanding, masculine, tough-guy, something he was denied at Harvard when he couldn't get a girlfriend and wasn't allowed into any of the cool fraternities. He wants to fit in and be cool, but deep down he's just a sad dork. The ending song of Baby You're a Rich Man even fits this perfectly.
This is a good interpretation. However, calling him a sad dork is exactly the same kind of thing that makes him a sad dork. Everyone wants to fit in. Behind every bully is a crowd of bullies.
I don't think "asshole" is the same as "commanding, tough-guy, masculine, cool". For example, Hugh Jackman is all of the above, but he is not in thousand years an asshole.
I didn't like her next complaint. That female characters weren't represented good in this film. That's part of the story. Zuckerberg screwed a lot of people and unfortunately with woman too.
@@ProIrishplayer - Could you explain your thoughts behind this statement?
@@ziglaus - YOU may not think that one equals the other but unfortunately a large swath of society -at least here in the US and few other societies- think the two are equal.
They should make a sequel now with everything that has happened in the last decade, written by Aaron Sorkin
That's a brilliant idea
That's sounds like an excellent follow up 👍
Bad idea, Sorkin worship this kind of people, he is the epitome of centrist politics, all about likable personality and token politics, and nothing about policies, if you watched West Wing, you would realise that he is the kind of person that think that taking people social security is a smart and good policy.
Taking people's social security? Where do I sign on? Boomers and maybe some Gen X will be the only people who see that money before it's all gone. If you think you'll be getting a cent of that dough I have some beachfront property on top of the Himalayas for sale.
precisely what I was thinking right now. wow!
I thought the Erica close scene was so powerful because it was Zuckerberg’s “Rosebud” scene. And why was she his Rosebud? Because she saw thru him so early. She called it before the effin opening credits. Brilliant. Great movie. My favorite villain origin movie.
I never had a problem with how they presented women in this film. As a female I can safely say women like that exist. And men like mark and Eduardo exist. Both genders have their fair share of jackassery. For me, it's BRILLIANT.
Same. Bedsides, the movie is supposed to be from Marks perspective... His scorn for his ex was part of his motivation. And I’m sure he did view those 2 girls as groupies 🤷🏽♂️
Just look at the scene after where the girls look at Mark with determination in their eyes and say “Is there anything we can do?” And he IMMEDIATELY shuts them down with “No”. They were actually willing to contribute and help and use their skills, but Mark never viewed them as anymore than groupies so that’s where they stayed. And I think it’s a fair representation of how women were (and kinda still are) viewed in the tech industry. In 2004, it would be uncommon to see a female programmer. Even though it wasn’t too long ago, the treatment of women back then was a world of a difference than it is now.
@@nereidcastillo9364 I know but that's the point. The film was supposed to make Marl as this unsociable, detached guy that doesnt realize his own jackassery. You can even see Eduardo looking out for him w his anti social behavior. What you just said means the film accomplished portraying what it was supposed to portray, it served its purpose. Therefore, its BRILLIANT.
Agreed.
Exactly. The way the women are portrayed here in the movie is exactly the indictment of the Silicon Valley bro culture that Fincher was going for. Plus, I don't know if there's any particular way that you would be able to change the script to have a more dynamic female character involved in the plot without it feeling shoehorned or diluting some of the larger messages regarding said bro culture. I also think some leeway should be given to Sorkin and Fincher for the fact that in 2010, Zuckerberg hadn't yet been publicly shown as an asshole.
The OST is a 10/10 for this Movie. Give it a listen
true AF ^^
Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails) and Atticus Ross - they also did Gone Girl and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and the record "On We March" made a goosebump shiver inducing appearance in "The Defiant Ones"
Trent Reznor is absolutely insane at scoring, he did Mid90s and the Watchmen series as well both great!
Some of the best statements made by the film are largely accidental. I remember thinking,"When geeks are empowered, we'll show the world that we can handle it better". But we didn't. It was never a question of geek v. quarterback because both groups were making the same mistake. They imagined social ethics as the way to validate themselves and become successful. Having the pretense of morality was just a way to get laid. The truth is that we should be better people even when it doesn't lead to our sexual and financial success. I think the way to be happy with that path is to accept a smaller life. Not a 007 sex life, but a few partners with mutual good will. Not a bagillion dollars, but your favorite soda and movies. People need comfort. Life without comfort creates bitterness and contempt. They don't need opulence. Opulence deprives others of comforts or even needs.
The problem is that this does not really match with Mark Zuckelberg's life. He is a liar and a thief, but he is not a misogynist.
I think it would also help with doing away with the term "nerd". Like whenever I hear that word I imagine a person with glasses who's socially awkward. Honestly most people I meet who are into computers and the things you do on them are socially adept and I feel like it becomes more of a self fulfilling prophecy/society expecting you to act in a certain way so they treat you a certain way.
@@carloszapata847 Regardless,the idea that women will come flocking for money so don't worry about ethics is a sexist idea. That idea is in the film.
@@gh0s1wav i mean i agree with you i was on a robotics team back in highschool but the majority of the members were jocks and farm kids who loved mechanics. And many were nerdy as hell. But i do disagree with you implying zuckerberg isnt close to that watch him in front of congress i imagine thats how he was in harvard. But yea knew alot of programmers that were normal.
Filmmaking doesn't need to pander and be a moral compass for society. That just takes away all the fun of exploration.
Yeah that's what I thought too. Something was rubbing me wrong about this video, about the way they were analyzing it. It's like all of the analysis came from this rosy perspective. I guess that's what we should've expected when they said that david fincher can be "grating".
gh0s1 they’re main justification why they find fincher grating is... because the lighting is a little too dark. They said that the difference was that it fit for this film, implying it wasnt fitting for films like se7en or fight club where it’s ENTIRELY fitting? What?
Well Put
Me too I normally really like wisecrack. But something feels a little off with this video.
@@ahd200 honestly (without knowing the lady at all.. just from what i saw here) it felt like they were working hard to keep her from going on anti-capitalist rabbit holes. (or that she was working hard to prevent herself from doing so). Not from any ideological perspective, just because that isn't' the type of content that they create. Or maybe a better way is.. she struck me as someone who generally looks at things through an ideological prism, and was trying to hold that back because of the medium. Which made it feel a bit.. 'off' to me. Again.. no proof of this.. i don't know her at all.. she could be a Anarcho-capitalist for all i know.. just was how it came off to me.
I didn't think i would enjoy this movie as much as i did. The actor that played Mark was perfect for the role.
Love the "We don't even have to do that. (That's right.) We can do that ourselves. I'm 6-5, 220 and there's two of me." line.
Nope, that wasn't deepfake, completely different method. Just putting this out there, others might be looking for this comment.
It's really clear from their back and forth that they don't care about the film-making process, only the final product
@@jtorr2997 I wouldn't really go that far, it's a slip-up, much less obviously wrong for someone who isn't into the technology of it all, and it isn't really that important of a point to go back to, even if either of them realized it was wrong afterwards. So yeah, I'd give them a pass, it's all good, I'm just mentioning it because I knew there would be other people out there noticing it.
@@TehBurek Well they also never mention Fincher's intentions about creating a Zuckerberg fictional totem character. They're almost describing it as a chronical retelling of true events, which it isn't. Wisecrack consistently ignores creative intentions in all of their videos in favor of projecting a philosophical lens of viewership. The Good The Bad And The Brilliant continues this tradition.
The greatest inaccuracy in this movie was portraying Sean Parker as the creator of Napster. We all know it was our boy Lyle.
Lolll
The whole character of Christy in the biography the movie was based on was never in the room with Edwardo when the fire was set. He was already starting to feel turned off with her because of how clingy she was. Such as how she would worry and believe he was cheating on her when he made trips to California. At the point when she sets the fire he had been on the phone with her while she's going through one of her hysterical dramas about his absence. So he tells her he has a present for her in the closet hoping it would help her calm down. They hang up so she can find the present, and when she calls again it's so she got into another round of hysterics because after she found the present she set it on fire and had been arrested because she set the dorm room on fire to.
Well I'll be damned. Lil Zamboni all up in it. Jamie Loftus is everywhere.
I did not like “The Good, The Bad, and the Brilliant” at first, but it’s really improved. The first few felt like they dragged on, but they flow a lot smoother now. Personally I think this segment could benefit from an extra guest. 3 people for the 3 categories. IMO
Agreed
never been so early. Self Isolation wonders
Vinland Saga: What it means to be a true warrior. I really think this needs to be done.
As someone who really only knows Jamie Loftus from her podcast and being a guest on other podcasts it’s cool to see her in front to the camera here!
I'm disappointed no one mentioned Andrew Garfield's performance. How is his confrontation not the best part of the movie? “Sorry! My Prada's at the cleaners! Along with my hoodie and my 'fuck you' flip-flops, you pretentious douchebag!”
Alot of this seems like an echo chamber though I agree with alot their thoughts. Theres not alot of of exploring different perspectives and everything is black and white.
Wow she hates the Zucc.. I mean, she loathes the guy.
Rightly so. He's an asshole who's in bed with corrupt politicians.
I love Finchers look and aesthetic choices its his voice
I am the last living human on earth, who irons their t-shirts
dangeldoll why would you. It’s just Tshirt
she should have at least thrown in the dryer for a couple of minutes before doing this!
yes
@@tnaztie1 I'm not shaming her, she can do whatever she wants but I do notice that more and more people don't iron their clothes I don't know why
@@stellolocks1553 I just do, I use a lint roller too
This was the best DC film until Joker came out
@@James-bl5gr its essential a D.C one shot. Theres actually a new comic with Dr. Manhattan that got released later year if I'm correct
@@dylankpessou2043 D.C. did a whole arc where Dr. Manhattan comes into the main D.C. universe at pivotal moments through time (when first green lantern gets lantern, when the Flash becomes the Flash, so on) and starts messing things up. D.C. universe hard hitters team up to defeat him to no avail. Doc sees superman and basically decides "im not a villain lol" and sets things right. Wooooooo. Thbtbtbttbhhtbbbtbhbth.
"Sad boi revenge plot"
Sad boy revenge website
when Aaron Sorkin's masterclass ad interrupts them talking about Aaron Sorkin writing masturbatory lines - *chefs kiss*
Josh Pence does appear briefly in the film, face and all. I think it was the scene when Mark and Eduardo were getting serviced in the bathroom and some tall dude tries to get in the bathroom but can't. That's Josh Pence.
Good fodder and conversation for the quarantine. Thanks guys!
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loved this! I always enjoy Jamie's takes on movies
I find this video interesting because I took an ap lit class in high school and the test for the class happened weeks before the class ended. So it turned into a cinematography critique class for the last few weeks. Basically we transition from analyzing literature to analyzing film and this was the first film we analyzed.
Looking forward to The Good & The Brilliant of "Santa University"
You could make a "The Good, The Bad & The Brilliant" about Ghost in the Shell the 1995 one :)
Zeitgang member here! Great to see Jamie, she's awesome. Great video!
You have to do interstellar, its perfect for this format of good, bad and brilliant
I realize that I don’t share the same views as Jamie but I do find it funny what she said about entitlement. Just because you wanted something doesn’t mean you deserve it.
Even if you "deserve" it you might not get it :P
No one deserves anything.
@@gh0s1wav No one deserves anything!
I read the ending as the fact that he wasn't able to connect with her in real life but managed to build a social media so big that she would be on it.
Jamie Loftus in Wisecrack? Greatest crossover of podcast/youtube feed ever
Does anyone know where to find that shirt she’s wearing?
People pay way too much attention to product placement. I don't even notice it until the media starts talking about it.
unless it's THAT obvious
@@gh0s1wav like the sonic movie. I was like okay olive garden gave them a check. But by the time I was out of the movie I totally forgot about that piece of shit franchise until I started watching reviews of sonic and then all I heard about was Olive Garden. People just need to get over it and pay attention to the movie.
Robert Lewis unless people are like lifting a can of dew and pointing it at the camera in a beam of light it’s fine. Like we don’t notice it in the social network because it’s a real story and it turns out people just drink Mountain Dew in real life so we don’t notice it anymore
Unless it’s Surge soda in a 90’s movie.
That movie AND it’s soundtrack were pitch perfect.
I love how her favorite actor is the one who interprets Doc Oc in a Spiderman movie while she could perfectly fit in the correspondent character in "into the Spiderverse"
Surprised that no one is talking about her t-shirt 😆
I was gonna put this as background noise but I had fun watching this.
Jaime was AEwWEesome! Tons of laughs, need MORE!
For me the only bad thing about this movie is that it is the best movie of the 2010s and it came out in 2010 so it set the bar insanely high and no one else hit the mark (lol). Brilliant.
Love it!
I love this movie. This was a great discussion about it!
I am loving this series
Holy sh*t Jamie Loftus of Daily Zeitgeist, Bechdelcast, and Boss Whom Is Girl fame
"I've seen this movie a lot". Proceeds to misquote the scene with mountain dew.
Hell yah love to see Jamie on wisecrack
I love this new format. I would love to see a Cloud Atlas show.
If you're looking for another movie to do an episode on, might I suggest Valarian, or the fifth Element? Both movies try very hard and come so close to working IMO
Y'all starting to miss them Insane Asylums YET????😂🤣😅
ACAV All Capitalists are villains
Y'all should do Casshern Sins. Ive recently wathched it and it is instantly in my top 5 anime ever. I really like the way they play with the ideas of life, death, and purpose.
I'm gonna need that Erica Albright x Tom (the Myspace guy) spinoff
They should do one on the original RoboCop and talk about how that movie was kind of a prophetic in terms of hyperprivitazation.
I don't know, maybe it's because I love this movie and am trying to post-hoc justify that, but I feel like the whole movie was a _huge_ indictment of the tech culture/industry/bs and highlighting the misogynistic and hollow motivations and origins behind that.
Whoag, I'm weirded out by the lack of comments
People probably got annoyed and/or bored and watched something else.
This video says more about these two people than the film itself.
Michael Byrne like what..
32 minutes talk about my favorite movie? hell yeah
Mark is like a low key, but not as evil version of Walter White and Eduardo in this movie is like a more smarter and mature version of Jesse Pinkman.
I'm sorry, I can't spell the surname, but which Winklevaus is it who says the "I'm six-foot-four, two hundred twenty pounds, and there's two of me" line? I'm with him, honestly, LOL.
SOMEONE: Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are. MARK: I've got thousands in my Friendlist. SOMEONE: Like you've mingled with all of them. There's a big difference between an "Acquaintance" and a "Friend".
I am from Spain and i don't really know much about Aaron Sorkin besides his work, and...well, here i describe it as a really american tone but i don't know what is the thing about him that makes you resent him. He is obviously an incredible writter, can you explain me what makes him kind of a guilty pleasure?
I really feel like their chemistry was poor. The speakers in this video I mean. Lots of stammering and interrupting and speaking over each other. Neither was really listening to the other or contributing to a conversation, just looking for the jump off point to interject their own thoughts and written notes. No friction, no synergy, no intrigue. The edit and the overuse of cuts and memes don't help either. The flow is just really disjointed and opposite the sort of long-form content I come to this channel to find. edit: didn't get decent until 27:00 with some actual back & forth...
Would love to see more Michael and Jamie together! Love the culture binge podcast and loved "My Year in Mensa"!
god this is a great video, like jamies passion abt the movie
I feel like a major blunder was not discussing the parallels between The Social Network and Citizen Kane. Mark refreshing Jessica's page at the end is supposed to be the film's "Rosebud" moment
Also, how weird is it to do a PC reading of Brenda's character (who even in the book is described as obsessive) but not of Divya's character not being played by an Indian actor...
After the glaring omission of moral issues (this channel's bread and butter) in the Pulp Fiction video, I'm glad Jamie brought it hard here.
I don't think they made us empathize with Zucc too much, I despised the character every second of the movie really enjoyed this discussion btw! haven't heard about Jamie before but I really like her!
Taking a look at Angels of Death anime for even a mini-discussion.
Max Minghella in yellowface was really problematic and I can't believe it didn't get more flak.
wait so the guest here is Jamie Loftus WINKLEVOSS, is she related at all to the actual Winklevoss Twins depicted in the movie?
Both Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears along with several other celebs like Christine Aguilera were on the Micky Mouse Club between the years of 1993-94, then Timberlake recruited fellow MMC member JC Chasez when he was forming NSync. That's largely the only acting experience he had before his music career and eventual focus on acting.
Excited that this film is coming to netflix
when is it coming?
@@sid0100 It is already on Netflix
Lim Serge it isn’t for me
I'm lucky, eh. I'm visually impaired (I can see, but this is part of my point), to the extent where my peripheral vision won't pick up on ads. Unless they're directly in front of me, I won't notice them. So Facebook can't screw with me as easily as with other people. Yay for being disabled! And yes, I am being sincere when I say that.
So excite Jamie is the best!
Please do a Philosophy of Community (the tv show)!
1. Scorsese should have done wih DeNiro what Fincher did with Hammer, instead of having an old guy move like someone half his age... 2. What? No, the scene Sorkin is "most proud of" is the first scene between Eisenberg and Mara, from the beginning we know Zuckerberg is an a**hole... (and Jamie proves me right later)... 3. How can you not talk about the Oscar winning music!!??? 4. This movie is briliant, think about what any other director, screenwriter and musician would have done with the material... Thanx!!!
Harold from "The Stand" was also a pretty evil nerd.
It is 2am where I am from.... looks like I would sleeping at 3
The good, the bad and the brilliant for the bee movie please
Cool video!
Gave up around the 7 minute mark when I realized all the shade you’d been through around so far was during the part of the video where you talk about what you like in the film.
bro no diss but u think i didnt catch that bite of jared's classic "Peace" with that " 'Later " or whatever it is you said wtf
Jamie Loftus, I thought that name was familiar, she was on the episode of Behind the Bastards where they discussed Elite Panic!
The Social Network.. Great film.. Must see.
Peeps probs browsing their socials more than ever now! 🤣
I gotta go watch that movie while I have free reign of the TV, not sure if it's family safe and I earned it with my walk outside today.
Rachums McOne It’s definitely not family friendly.
@@ironfox4990 wasn't on Netflix, so looks like I won't have to take one for the team, thanks for the note though. Turned my eyes to Velvet Buzzsaw instead.
This video is SUCH A NICE DISTRACTION from the fucking Coronavirus. Shout out to Wisecrack for keeping the content flowing.
Do Django! There are places where I think the movie ages well and many places where I don't think it did. For example, Broomhilda is not even her own person. She's just a plot object. The only glory she gets is a mention of an off-screen attempt of running away
Hey wisecrack can you tell me movies which reflects whole current corona virus scenario
Shoutout to Zietgang. Jamie Zamboni
Seeing a lot of bullshit comments on this video, and I would just like to take this opportunity to contradict them. This video is great, makes great points, and the two of you have great chemistry!