In this brief character analysis, I put to rest some common misconceptions about the character of Shane Walsh - from the TV adaptation of The Walking Dead.
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In this brief character analysis, I put to rest some common misconceptions about the character of Shane Walsh - from the TV adaptation of The Walking Dead.
#thewalkingdead #jonbernthal #shanewalsh
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Make a video if you think Maggie was right when she didn’t save gage
@@songoku7530i don't remember a gage
It's sad people don't understand him! Amazed to watch channel!
@@dirtyscoundrel2013 gaga was one of the 3 people who attacked Lydia along with Margo and alfred and then he and alfred said negan attacked and killed her when he accidentally killed her when he tried to stop them from hurting Lydia
@@songoku7530 Ah. Okay. Thanks. And thanks for responding 😊
The decision to keep Shane around during the farm arc was one of the best of the entire show
no fr imagine if they killed him off in season 1 😭 im happy we got more of him would love to see an alt timeline of him surviving
Dude I remember it to and it was CODs best maps transit 🤣 later we called it TWD because they went to town, dinner, and medical facility and the bus if you played old school of BO2 COD ZOMBIES
@@fernandosanchez9226... And the farm right 😅
Shane killing the walkers in the barn was the reality check everyone needed. If he didn't do that they would've been looking for Sophia forever and more people would've died. He was right about almost everything, but he was so unstable and eratic that Rick had no choice.
He was strong enough to open the barn but he wasn't able to put Sophia down when the task came to it. Rick was.
Exactamundo. Shane truly was a paradox. One of the greatest written character in tv history.@@ergoanteros
@@ergoanterosRick couldn’t open the barn door in the first place, which took Another kind of strength. I love this show
@@luis.vuitton I'll admit yeah it took a different strength but not a better one. Shane's written well but he isn't good. Both opening the barn and his intention to kill Rick were out of need for power. Both actions brought harm to the group. People think that Shane was "able to make the hard choices when Rick wasn't" but if Rick had died instead of Shane that night it's far more likely the entire group would have died that night too.
@@ergoanteros Nah, that is completely pointless thing. When she came out, they didn't kill her right away, because they were inspecting her and left some time for Carol. Plus Shane had a shotgun or rifle, her corpse would look awful.
Shane wanted to raise Rick's kid, but rick ended up raising Shane's
You mean Michonne ended up raising Shane's kid.
Rick didn't raise Judith. Daryl did. He and many others. Rick was a worse dad then he was a leader.
@@dirtyscoundrel2013 - You mean Daryl was a father figure for her just as Negan but either of them raised her.
@@nialcc no, think about it. Daryl was there for her from the start. When she was an infant she would stop wailing when he picked her up. He was the father Rick wasn't. Negan was a father figure. I believe he was trying to make up to her how he failed with Carl. Who did she live with when mischone rode off looking for Rick? And POS Rick kind of brushed her off to focus on RJ in the last of us. Poor kid lost two mom's and four dad's basically.
@@dirtyscoundrel2013 - OMG, you are out of your mind. You just made up that BS out of nothing that was EVER on the scene. If I really cared anything about Judith or Daryl I might have taken the time to point of even piece of garbage you wrote. But because I don't give a rat azz, I don't care.
No one ever mentions that Shane was willing to sacrifice himself first and let Otis go on ahead. But Otis refused to leave Shane behind so he took matters in his own hands and left Otis behind instead.
No one ever mentions how neither of them had to die because they were keeping pace if not out pacing the walkers even with their injuries.
Ya no1 had to die Shane just wanted him dead for shooting Carl
@@ArmyJuan1991lmfao what the fuck got to this conclusion??? i haven't watched this season since i was 13 and never once did i think of something this fucking stupid.
@@DeezCheez69 Shane was Hurt and limping though at the end with Otis helping him walk. He was going to stay behind and let Otis go but Otis refused to leave him behind
@@ArmyJuan1991 Yea you're dumb
Crazy, how characters that ended Years ago, are still heavily debeated, shows you how good the writing was!
Legendary show mate.. its gone be talked about as long as the people who watched it is alive 😊
Yes but specially the first 2 season. The rest of the seasons are still good of course, not denying that, but they become more of "villain of the week" type thing, while s1 and 2 was focused square on intimately conected characters. Some excdptions ofc, like season 4 with the flu arc and post governor separation, or S5-6 with the gang facing the dilemma about the alexandrians. Some of my personal favorites.
It helps that the majority of shows made these days are trash. Makes the good ones really stand out.
shane was the best parts of both seasons if you pay attention to everything he does , it makes sense and he was put in bad situations to help the group
A big part of him deciding on killing Rick was Lori saying Sorry and Thanks which he misinterprets as wanting him back. Both Sarah Wayne Callies and Jon Bernthal agreed on that part in the behind the scenes. This was an excellent video from an excellent content creator. His guilt tears him apart and distorts his world view even more than he already had. I love Jon Bernthal, He's my favorite actor and I was introduced to him from his portrayal of Shane Walsh.
nope, he saw it was closure and felt he didn't have a reason to live anymore. Shane was despressed. He wnated to force rick into the man he been begging him to be
@@itscrossfadedexactly
Shane attempted to kill Rick when looking for Sofia. He had him in his crosshairs and dale witnessed it He attempted this again at the school before even Shane talked to Lori Shane wasn't depressed. And he wasn't trying to make Rick into whatever people perceive this has as we constantly see Rick making the tough choices and this was nailed in the episode Nebraska Shane had enough being the second wheel and wanting Lori. He sees Rick as destroying what he had in the apocalypse, a group of his own and a ready made family lori and carl
Yeah I fucking hated Lori ngl she was so evil to Shane after Rick came back. He genuinely wasn't in the wrong being with her after he had no reason to expect to ever see rick again. She should have been honest about what happened between them with both parties and let them move on as they saw fit. She just kept going back and forth and playing with his hope that they could be a thing again and it drove the man insane, among other things.
She also told him that she did have feelings for him the short time they were together.
Rick adapted to the apocalypse, Shane succumbed to it because he wasn't able to live with himself. Shane is just like The Governor, grief took his humanity and in the end he was too far gone.
100% agreed. And Robert Kirkman the creator stated that too. Shane adapted faster because Rick was in a coma. Once Rick had woken up, met up with Morgan before finding shane and his family, Rick was up to speed. Morgan told him all about how the walkers behave Unlike Rick, Shane couldn't live with emotional trauma that had to be done when required.
I feel for Shane, too. No one besides Rick and Rick’s family were people Shane cared about. Shane could’ve helped his own family, or his friends that he knew were alive, but he helped save Rick’s family. Then, his best friend, Rick and the person he loved and wanted to take care of, Lori both hated him. Shane was too far gone because he sacrificed everyone he knew for the Grimes and the Atlanta group, and they didn’t like him.
@@revilno Shane didn't have a family He didn't sacrifice anything
@@ZeonEons Once Shane accepted that Rick's family were his, and his alone, he didn't have anything left. When Philip Blake accepted that his daughter was truly dead, there was nothing left. It was a full circle moment.
@@ZeonEons not in the show, but everyone has a family. Shane likely isn’t an orphan with no father, no mother, no sisters or brothers, no cousins, no uncles or aunts. He has someone he is related to that he could have saved, and he had friends he knew were alive.
Shanes' worst downfall is that he didn't know or practice the balance between knowing that you can't use others as any reason to exist and not to be totally selfish either. Being too selfish or selfless, can both be bad extremes.
Rick waking up 30 to 60 days in to the Apocalypse made all the difference.
Whoaaa I Never thought of it like that! Shane was there during the initial outbreak & saw things Rick wouldn’t see for another couple months. That had to have played a part in Shanes survival mode spiral
I liked Shane because he was the tank of the group. The one who got shit done and could throw a punch. It's a shame that he was only arround 2 seasons.
The series would’ve ended a lot sooner if he was still with the group tbh, either that or negan or the governor would’ve seen him for the threat he was and probably killed him asap.
If you read the comic you would appreciate the tv show version of Shane much more. He left at the perfect time, sure he could have developed far more and it would be also interesting in another timeline either if he stayed with the group or after killing Rick
@@Sauce_SenseiI agree. Btw I love your pfp 😅
Yeah, I guess negan fills that empty space for me. If only the main show never went downhill & fixed earlier season problems instead
@@Peraliq I think they did as much as they could with the character. But definitely feels weird that he never got to be apart of the later season groups.
The constant back-and-forth that she shows him between venom and regret it enough to drive anyone over the edge Especially when there’s nothing else to focus on
Completely perfect explanation. I couldn’t have said it any better, Lori fed the fire just as Shane had seemed to have come to accepting that he had to let go of her/Carl. It’s like he was ALMOST out and she pulled him back in and ultimately led to him just succumbing to his feelings.
Andrew Lincoln and John Bernthal are 2 of the best actors alive today, and it's a shame Andrew doesn't do more acting.
negans actor is amazing, carls actor was a 17 year old trying to portray a 13 year old, he is amazing. I wouldnt say John Bernthal and Andrew Lincoln are the best actors alive
I always thought in Shanes earlier conversations with Lori that he did make a lot of sense, just wanting to talk and being told to go away and leave the whole family alone is just harsh and doesnt alllow anyone to heal, its childish from lori and very mature from shane until he just snaps basically
Shane saw Sophia and Dale die under Rick’s leadership and Carl get shot and almost die. Shane wasn’t insane for thinking Rick couldn’t protect Lori and Carl because of that due to Rick being indirectly responsible for both Sophia and Dale’s deaths and Shane saw Rick as weak for not wanting to kill Randall who was a direct threat to the group and who tried to kill Carl.
They 100% should’ve just killed Randall, especially after he said he knew who Maggie was even if it wasn’t true
I also feel like he went mad because of others viewing him as the bad guy even tho he was giving reasonable solutions or answer to problems like Randall or Sophia being already dead.
Shane was putting his needs first above all others. He was going to lose Carol and Daryl as Shane wanted to give up on the search This wasn't unnecessary it was important to keep people from losing control, losing hope, which was the entire theme of season 2 Hershel was the Pinnacle and plot point of that narrative and Shane destroyed it when he opened the barn He put Glenn, Hershel and Rick in danger as they had to go look for Hershel who was drowning his sorrows in a nearby town Which lead to a shootout, demonstrating to the audience that Rick is cold blooded when the scenario requires it as he did when he shot Sofia. This lead them to acquire Randell Rick then made his mind up with Shane before Shane planned to murder him. Which everyone seems to not realize. Shane can't do what needs to be done. Rick can and this is demonstrated throughout season 2
@@ZeonEons Yea Shane killed Otis and couldn’t live with himself, it was Rick who ran off the highway when no one else would into the dangerous Walker infested woods to save Sophia, it was Rick who accepted his failure when he put down Walker Sophia and Shane couldn’t get himself to do it, it was Rick who went after Hershel and shot Dave and Tony to save his group, it was Rick who was going to put Dale down when he failed to save him as well before Daryl stepped in and did it because he didn’t want a Rick to carry the burden of putting down another group member, it was Rick who made the decisive decision to kill Shane when Shane could’ve just shot Rick but didn’t do it and then Rick took the opportunity to finish off Shane who was too much of a loose canon to be controlled and would’ve been a liability. Rick had what it took to survive long term and Shane didn’t. Rick’s Officer Friendly persona died in Season 2 but he evolved and became a better leader than Shane.
how rick is even remotely reponsible for sophia's death?
I don't know if this was done on purpose, but the fact that whenever someone directly confronts Shane, he can barely bring himself to look at them does a nice job of accentuating his shade and inner conflict.
The Dying Light music goes crazy
Shut up
Right 👏🏽
@@ryanl775 shut up
You shut up@@Dachin55555
I wish Shane was in at least three or four seasons. Two felt like we didn't get enough of him.
I agree..or maybe even longer.
If he was around longer I feel like Rick would’ve died or Shane would’ve just a little later in season 3. It was a big turning point because when Shane died and came back, Rick had to tell the “we’re all infected line”. Shane and Rick are both protectors fighting for the alpha spot imo and in the wild, there can only be one leader. Which in this post apocalyptic civilization, it basically is the wild. No laws or rules unless you and your group make some to follow. If the seasons that Shane was in was less of Shane turning into the villain/anti hero, I think he could’ve had some really good character development, or really bad, but he might’ve lost it when Lori died, because she very well could’ve died earlier than the prison if you rerun the show with a different time span around Shane’s character arc.
The creator of the show said Shane was not equipped to survive in the new world as to why Rick could. Rick could kill when needed and live with it as Shane always felt guilty, especially after killing Otis It's stated Shane and his group would have ran into the governor who would have proceeded to kill them all When he killed Randell Shane had completely gone full blown into villain mode
@@ZeonEons you are right. But, rick didnt need to feel guilty because he only killed for a good reason. People could argue if killing otis was with good reasons, but I dont think rick would have done it. I think Shane would had survived if he would have runned into another group that suited him better.
@@Ken-Morten Rick states he would have done anything to save Carl. Anything, stated to shane on the highway. Rick doesn't mince his words and I truly believe he would have done what shane had to do but I think rick would have used another method. Shane acts, while rick is always assessing the best or worst case scenarios Shane also proved he isn't a team player. Ricks group were the easiest to manage but as we saw in nebraska, those guys were beyond saving and shane can't live with guilt so if he fell into that group, he's headed down a bleak and painful road but as kirkman stated eventually those at the farm would have ran into the governor at some point. The governor doesn't do a whole lot of recruiting as we see when he murders people for their resources and he certainly wouldn't want someone like shane. His hatred for rick was proof enough
Never really thought about how Shane could’ve probably been saved had they let him father Judith. Very good point.
I did find it really messed up how Rick told Shane that it will be his child when he knew it was Shane's child Lori was carrying Negan is right Rick is indeed a selfish prick and a hypocrite like begging Hershel to let them stay on the farm when Hershel clearly wanted them gone yet early in season 2 running off Tyreese, Sasha, the dude and his kid from the prison.
Same with Lori saying to Shane even if it is his kid it won't be and he will not allowed to be a father to the child
@@lumpencelt3318 i feel like that's still fair tho at that point she was genuinely scared of him if i was in her position id do the same it's the apocalypse it's not like they can do a custody battle she didn't feel safe around him so why would she want him to father her child yk
I don't understand how that even happens. Lori and Rick are married, and Lori gives birth but lets Shane be the father? Maybe that works in bizarro world but otherwise that would never ever work as long as humans are humans. Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
@@honeybee6606 Right. Like the dude literally tried to s*xually assault her, I think it’s valid for her to not want him around her while she’s pregnant, her family, or the group as a whole. The dude proved time and time again that he was unstable, that he would push people’s boundaries if he disagreed with them, and that he was willing to do “whatever it takes” - that is, whatever *he* thought it took - to get what he wanted, even at the expense of others’ desires or even lives. He’s not an entirely horrible person, he is a complex and interesting character, but everyone paints lori as a bad guy when her feelings are just as - if not more - valid than his are in this scenario.
I really wish Shane was sent away rather than killed. It would've been one of the greatest story arcs if he came back seasons later as a villain. Like the leader of A group similar to the claimers Darrell ended up with.
I think one of the main things that opened Shane’s eyes to this new world was seeing the hospital staff being gunned down in the hospital in the very beginning, when he was trying to wake Rick up. He saw that they were killing Live people. I think that had a bigger effect on him than he or anyone realized.
Lori goes under the radar as a villain, she is a narcissist that manipulated and emotionally abused Shane countless times
Facts! At least Shane’s motive was at least somewhat honorable, he wanted better for Lori and Carl, but Lori just did whatever the hell she wanted 😂
incredibly inaccurate
@@rencloudx thank you for explaining, I feel like I understand more now
True and when he tried to leave the group, she guilted him into staying by using Carl, then told Rick that Shane was a danger and needed taking care of, like ??? Tf Lori?
Lori was definitely a manipulator, for sure. 👀 Everyone had flaws, but her flaws were on purpose. 😂😂
"I know what kind of man you are."
people forget that Shane assaulted Lori at the cdc. And he didn’t seem to care. Shane was a villain. His obsession with her was his worst trait
She asked for it.
@@bowieupland6112 okay dude
I wouldn't really call that assault he was trying to see if there was any feelings left in a sexual way and he did stop when he realized she was serious.. If Shane really was trying to assault her then he would have. A few scratches wouldn't have been enough to stop him imo
@@renton2659 Simp.
@@McSkippy374 Re-watch the episode man idk how you can interpret it any other way. She shouldn't have to be forced to fight back like that to stop him. She says stop multiple times and he didn't listen so she defends herself. That's textbook S Assault. The scene was written that way to show you how Shane really is. I know its fictional but your interpretation of that scene is concerning to me
No one mentions Shane saying “lemme tell you somethin’ “ and “lemme ask u sum”
Shane wasnt a bad guy at heart he just wanted to do what he thought he had to do. My favorite explanation was that he adapted too quickly to the new world. I feel like the only difference between shane and what rick would become is that shane had anger issues and was to extreme about everything and toward the end he went insane, namely in his last episode where you can see it as hes losing his shit with randall and that is when shane turned into "the bad guy" and even then he wasnt really bad he was just so mentally ill.
This is a great video and thank you for making it. There’s more than meets the eye to Shane who is often written off as a deranged villan or the apex chad of survival that played 5d meta chess. He was a clever, pragmatic survivor and capable leader that meant well when it came to protecting the group but could and often was an obsessive hot head when people refused to listen. He was his own worst enemy under stress as Rick mentioned to Herschel and Andrea. For better or worse I saw a lot of myself in this character and think if people take an honest look at themselves they may find more similarities to Shane than they’d care to admit. If I can make an analogy: Rick is classic Spider-Man , Shane after Rick returns and the majority of season 1 is like black suit Spider-Man with the Symbiote, not worlds apart from being a classic protagonist but clearly more aggressive with a no nonsense attitude in his judgments. He teeters back an fourth a bit in season 2 - struggling with his inner demons much like Spider-Man did but he ultimately gave in to becoming venom, a dark mirror foil of his former best friend in his last couple of episodes
randomly came across this video, and I think you did a great job with it. you hear a lot of people say that Shane was built for the apocalypse, but you addressed an interesting angle in saying that in reality he couldn’t cope with it. I remember hearing about an original script, where, when Rick kills Shane, he tries to use Shane’s gun to put him down when he reanimates, but it was empty - meaning that Shane never really meant to kill Rick, and just wanted to trick Rick into killing him because he couldn’t do it himself
the dying light theme was icing on the cake well done
Awesome video. Shane is certainly one of the best written characters in, not just the TV series, but the franchise as a whole. Question, how would you have handled the Randall situation? Personally, I would've gone with Maggie's suggestion to keep him prisoner because I think his group would've found the farm regardless, and it would be better to have some sort of bargaining chip. Daryl's critique of this suggestion was that Randall would just be another mouth to feed, but my counterargument would be to just starve Randall rather than give him the same amount of food everyone else gets (Lori's idea to rashen better should also help this suggestion alot).
I’m making a video on that currently. Might be out in one to two weeks. (It’s on the production line)
Shane would've made a model savior.
i feel like he would do good in a group like the saviours but i don’t think he could go along with all the “rules” since he tended to speak his mind and if he pulled something off so reckless like ripping the barn open while Negan was in charge i don’t think he would last long I would of loved to see Rick meet him again like the Morales scene if he decided to leave the farm instead of dying there
I love Shane heck he is one of my favorite characters and this is how I have always thought but I wasn’t sure if I was right. I feel Lori led him on too much. Also he tried to get Otis to sacrifice him but Otis wouldn’t so it was either 3 people dead(Carl too) or one person dead and Shane chose correct even if it was wrong to do. Sometimes the correct thing isn’t always the right thing to do. Shane is one of the most complex characters and deserves more love. Top three in my book. Lemme tell you sumthin they in the woooooooods man.
I noticed while rewatching the first two season of the show I noticed that in the second to last episode of season two where Lori apologizes and realizes Shane’s feelings were valid and so were hers there was a glimmer of hope for Shane. He was willing to let everything go since he got the closure that he needed from Lori, he later went out of his way to tell Rick he should really check in on HIS son but by this point Shane had drove in his philosophy and message so damn far into Rick’s head that Rick was already to untrusting of Shane and was already becoming like Shane that he started being argumentative over his family. This lead to Shane no longer being able to love peacefully with Rick anymore. I firmly believe Shane was right to act the way he did, Considering the circumstances but in the end it was his fault for being so ahead of the curve that it ruined every friendship he had
Shane tried to assault lori
Dying Light and Far Cry 5 music??? Bro was cooking 🔥🔥
Love how despite Shane completely losing his mind,willing to do whatever it takes to protect Lori and Carl, he still couldn’t bring himself to kill Rick, he could’ve just shot him straight away,but he kept delaying the moment,asking for Rick’s gun even tho he didn’t need it at all,gave Rick multiple chances to do something.I still believe that if Rick didn’t stab him Shane would’ve lowered his gun
I get your point, but in hindsight, when your life is threatened by someone that you see everyday, it becomes “it’s either me or him”
@@ryanl775 yeah Rick just couldn’t take the risk
I finished rewatching season 2 a few days ago and I was thinking about a vid made by you about Shane, amazing. Love your TWD content
Shane didint get as much plot armor for the seasons honest he and rick should have been in seasons more together
Am i the only one who thinks that Shane didn't wanna kill Rick at the end? He provoked Rick multiples times and had enough time to kill him but he didn't. I think he realised that he couldn't lead the group anymore and trusted Rick to be the one to do it. Therefore killing his best friend in order for Rick to change and be the good leader and protecter of the group and his family.
So apparently that scene was rewritten. What was supposed to happen was Rick was to kill Shane and when he turned into a walker, Rick was supposed to use Shane’s gun but Shane didn’t put bullets in it. Shane wanted to push him and he had no plan on killing Rick.
@Shay-jg7uk exactly. Confirmed by the interview of John berthal himself.
That’s a way I never really looked at it. Shane KNEW what it took to survive more so than Rick but he didn’t HAVE what it took to survive and he let selfish desires drive him off the deep end. I gotta say I been binging your twd vids and they’re really good! Great video man
Man!! This was a great video, I truly enjoyed this.
A scene most people don't bring up is from season 2, after the barn had been dealt with, Shane found Carol wandering around and calmly took her and sat her down and began to wash her muddy hands. "I want you to know that I'm real sorry for your daughter....I was just trying to keep everybody safe." Carol responds with "thank you". Shane cared about the entire group. He defended carol against Ed multiple times, he took Andrea under his wing, he trained everyone to shoot etc. Yes, Shane did some messed up stuff, but it was clear it never acted with ill intent.
I don't understand how no one talks about the cdc scene with Shane and Lori 🤦
yep… they love to conveniently forget that
Damn yeah I completely forgot about that
It was a mistake, thats it nothing more or else
One thing you didn't touch on is the argument than Shane would have been a good leader. Shane didn't care about the group, he only cared about Lori and Carl. In S2E5 he said to Lori "The only thing I care about now in this world is you and Carl. So I apologize if I appear to be insensitive to the needs of others, but you see I'll do whatever it takes to keep the two of you safe." Shane wouldn't take risks for others in the group, he wouldn't even attempt to help the 6 members of his group stuck at the department store in S1, he wanted to give up looking for Sophia, he sacrificed Otis, he didn't put any value on other members of the group..... Rick did, he went after Glenn when he was captured by G in the retirement home, he went in to rescue Glenn and Maggie at Woodbury, he went to find Herschel after the barn scene (which Shane was against doing) Rick valued the group as a whole.... in S3E15 Rick says to the group "I couldn't sacrifice one of us for the greater good because WE ARE the greater good... We're the reason we're still here, not me." Rick realized that while he was the leader it was the entire group's efforts that helped them stay alive. Shane didn't get that, so in my opinion Shane would NOT have made a good leader because of his lack of value he put on the group as a whole. Rick helped create loyalty among the group where they took risks to defended each other and that is what made them strong.
Shane was everything he was supposed to be in the new world but he was way ahead of his time. Ppl still had their morals and souls and hadn’t adjusted yet to the world but Shane adjusted immediately. He’s definitely a villain but I believe he would’ve survived if it wasn’t for Lori. I stick by that till this day.
You and me both
Keep up the great work! I knew the actor who played shane was gonna do more great things, he really sold the character more than any other from season one besides Daryls brother, i forget his name at the moment, he also played his chatacter very well!
Man that frycry5 music played at the end puts me in my feels every time. Great a analysis, shane propelled the group to where they need to be in terms of combat, levels of trust, finding a strong hold to call home, and then pushed rick to be the leader he needed to be to survive.
You earned a subscription from me. Always found Bernthal's portrayal to be Incredible. Every step along his narrative path, I UNDERSTOOD where Shane was coming from. It was logical. In that insane world with unknowable pressures, he reacted like a human would, at every step.
Great Video! You should probably make a video on why Lori was so disliked by fans. She is indirectly responsible for how he reacted. How she used his unborn child to keep her family together was terrible!!
True
I disagree that he wasn't made for the new world. If he had the right support system around him, he could've easily have survived to the later seasons. Like Morgan early on, they both face tremendous trauma. Morgan being the one who caused his son death and his wife being a walker. Shane witnessing the bombing of ATL, seeing people getting shot in the hospital, and being forced to kill Otis. All which they both had to internalize for a long while. Morgan was able to heal with Eastman while Shane had essentially no one. The group saw him as an outcast because he was on another level. He had the tools to be built for the new world, but he needed it in a timely manner to process it. Like every other character. I get what you and Robert were saying but there's a nuance. Someone like Dale wasn't built for the new world no matter how long they had to process it. Due to who they are as a person. Everything else though, spot on. I'd love a video where you show the parallels between Rick and Shane.
Please keep doing these walking dead videos, they’re so good
Shane was never an antagonist until his last episode.
Great video as always. Maybe next vid about " what if Glenn never died " or sth. Anyway, love your conctent bro, keep it up < 3
Lori was the real villain of those seasons
I've never considered shane a villain. He was always an antagonist. I never labeled him an antihero, he was just a dude who got fucking traumatized by life. More a cautionary tale
People always forget that Shane’s gun wasn’t even loaded. He went into that fight wanting to die.
That’s not true. That’s what Jon and Andrew wanted for the story - not what actually went down with filming.
The gun literally goes off during Shanes death scene. However I do believe in that scene Shane wanted Rick to kill him.
Wasn't that in the comic? Or am I misremembering
@@metaphysicalparadoxnope wasn’t in the comics the actor WANTED this ending Shane was killed similarly to how the show did it in the comics just much earlier
@OboSoCool ah OK, would've been a better ending
Shane compromised his position of leadership when he decided not to assist the group on a trip into Atlanta. On a surface level, Shane was right that it wasn't worth risking all their lives for Merle and some guns, but it was the moment everyone shifted their allegiance towards Rick. Rick was willing to risk his life to save Merle, and it was that act of selflessness that built trust and loyalty. Rick continued acting this way consistently throughout both seasons. So, it seemed like no matter what Shane would say or do, or how right he was, which was often, he just came off as a total prick that couldn't win the loyalty of the group. Every time he was given a chance to help someone, he would have the mentality of leaving them behind. He made an exception to help Carl, but he botched that by murdering Otis. I sympathize with Shane, but I also see how Rick was ultimately the right choice to lead moving forward. If nothing else, Shane was used as the tool in helping harden Rick into the person he needs to become in order to survive. Shane was the first bump in the road in what would eventually turn a whole lot worse as time progresses.
True, but the first seasons of Rick he was still a Pacifict and could hardly adapt to the new world. While Shane adapted to the new world a lot quicker and made mostly the right calls as a leader.
@@yeager1234but he did, he killed those two men in that bar, bc it was necessary, he clearly wasn’t soft or a pacifist
@Idk98268 yeah only if it was necessary. So out of self defense.
@@yeager1234 that’s how it should be
@@Idk98268 yeah he still had his cops experience. That's what's he learned from being a cop. Not from the apocalypse. In Season 3/4/5 he learned how to behave in the apocalypse
I noticed you used the far cry 5 sound track. As beautiful as the far cry 5 soundtrack is I always found is a bit creepy almost like a cult trying to lure you in with some heart warning and welcoming music which is perfect for the games plot. So even in the home screen when that song played it always gave me a feeling of unease
Man the first several seasons of this show were so good.
Thats why he keeps telling people "Let me tell you somethin"😂
Shane we only got 2 seasons of Shame.
Shane was the Boromir of TWDU.
This is what I love about layered entertainment media. That I can watch them once over (though i stopped watching by season 4 or so) and can rewatch or come to an analysis like this and pick up on things that sometimes change my ENTIRE perspective of a character. Its especially the best while growing up. Experiencing things in "kid brain" then seeing them again in "adult brain" is something that's rarely possible for me now since I've re-experienced almost every "mature" media I saw as a kid lol.
Lori acted like a yoyo towards Shane. She tells him to leave her family alone, then gets pissed at Shane for snuffing Coral. One minute she thanks him then the next she's blaming him for something. Tells him to stay, tells him to go. She contributed to what Shane became.
Yeah she fucked his head up
I was prepared to type up a whole diatribe if this was going to engage in a bunch of "well actually Shane was 100% the good guy" nonsense. Glad to see a much more nuanced and measured take. I'm so annoyed by people who can't accept complex characterization; or deconstructive themes, both of which Shane's arc contains. Watching a compelling, relatable character come undone and make decisions that make you uncomfortable is one of my favorite things in media and I'm genuinely saddened so many people just can't accept it for some reason. Love the Dying Light soundtrack btw.
Shane was brutally, honest and realistic. The group never wanted to make the hard decisions and Shane was willing to, but they treated him like he was the bad guy but some of the time he was right.
Props to you this is the best shane analysis ive ever seen. You hit the nail on its head.
Tv Shane is one of my favorite characters ever from anything. So happy they fleshed him out in the show as he was barely in the comics
Always thought Shane deserved more love or at least less hate. My favorite character
I always blamed Lori for Shanes break. She was so hot and cold with him. He pretty much lost his girlfriend and his son and his new baby
Lori made Shane a villain, if she didn't bounce back and forth and just set it straight they were done but they could co parent Judith, he wouldnt have hated Rick so much and they would probably have been unstoppable.
Even in the end I feel like Shane was trying to show Rick how the new world is. Shane understood the complexity of the situation, him and Lori being together, Rick unexpectedly comes back in the picture, Lori ends up pregnant with Shane's baby. Rick becomes the leader of the group. Now Shane was glad to have his friend back and didn't mind following Rick's lead however Rick and the group had yet to adapt in the Apocalyptic world they we're in. Throughout most of the second season you see Shane constantly trying to convince Rick the reality of it all. In the end, he was pretty far gone but his final mindset was "Rick if you're not going to step up to the plate for the group and your family/my family then I will."
I'm in the middle of rewatching Season 2 right now and Shane really steals the show. I'm not diminishing the other characters or actors though, they all had great moments as well.
Shane has no laws, no principle onto what could be shifted in favor of lifelong freedom. He is an extremely entitled and dangerously arrogant guy who has misguided his own thoughts because of an inability in seeking truths of reality. That very insecurity would be converted as a manner manifested in guidance had his selfish interest in lori disappeared entirely. He impartially dictated upon certain aspects of survival to his best friend. In that current juncture it was clearest peaceful paths were implausible between those two. Thus forward, none could have predicated where Shane’s insanely sharp skills of adaption in that new era were heading. He’d become a vital team player in its wholeness as his consistent support was welcomed. An exemplary leader at a peak performance at that position, his unyielding form as he shredded everything in his pathway demonstrated he never messed around. He with an excellent attitude although an an unusually exasperated character in tone exploited their weaknesses, and insufficiencies’ judgement. This is what I wrote about him.
I really really think everyone forgets what he did to Lori in the cdc. And how early that is in the show. "If shane had lived to meet negan-" but he didnt. Shane was an adult man who consciously and consistently made decisions that would only benefit him or would intentionally harm others. Shane was willing to kill rick, even early on. He was willing to hurt people, even early on. His reaction to Rick returning and Lori changing her mind about him (BY THE WAY. AS SHE SHOULD? Her 'dead' husband just showed up out of nowhere, after his best friend told her he was dead for certain.) was to be an asshole to Carl? And to try to socially shoulder check Rick? Everyone praises him for being strong enough to open the barn, but Rick is the one who put Sophia down.
One could also argue that Rick killing Shane early on gave him the tools he needed to survive the things ahead.
I’d really like to see more walking dead character deep dives like this one, I feel like I understand Shane’s character way more now & this was a different perspective than what most say about Shane.
I completely agree with what you said about Shane not having the mental ability to live in the new world, even if he was the first to adapt. I feel like he became a villian because he was slowly going insane from the pressure of the apocalypse.
I actually feel bad for him. Shane had to adapt quickly, he had two people who depended on him. In a way their lives mattered more than his. Shane lives in a morally grey area. While he is driven by self interest and desires, those choice saved lives. I know people see him as the first real victim we meet and get to know but he wasn’t wrong but he wasn’t right either.
Yeah this Channel is starting to turn out pretty good I Agree with most things you say, Definitely make more walking dead stuff
i loved the music you used (from Dying Light), it is my fav!
Rick was even willing to give Shane a chance to just leave Carl and Lori to him, despite all he had already done. He understood that Shane thought he was dead and so did Lori. The fact that he was able to not only keep himself composed knowing that, but also give Shane another chance because he loved him as his best friend, shows that he was a better leader than Shane. However I do have to say this one thing, Shane was 100% right about Randal. Killing him would have ensured their safety. If Rick had wanted to give Randal a chance to prove himself an ally, that's one thing...let him live in the barn until he can prove he was trustworthy and useful. But he wanted to let him go...that's just the worst possible thing you could do.
this video was very well done and had a good structure with clear points and examples of those points
" Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes." -Quark. Even hundreds of years into the future humanity never changes
Love the addition of the 28 weeks later soundtrack
GREAT vid bro keep twd content up
Your my new favorite zombie KZheadr; have you considered analyzing other post apocalypse content? Also you gotta do a video on the groups’ first few episodes in Alexandria
always interesting tbh keep it up
You summed him up well.Always loved shane! He was so often right and knew what had to be done but he was not able to shoulder that burden. Especially when both Lorrie and Rick try to remove him from Judith. I raged at Rick to just acknowledge Shane had some claim to Judith who knows maybe that would have been enough. Poor Shane. He likely would have been a 'great' dad in an apocalypse but everything was taken from him and he was right that rick was too weak then. There is a reason he suicided by cop. Fantastically done character who buckles under the weight and superbly acted by Jon Bernthal!
love the dying light and farcry music, fits so well surprisingly
Lori drove that man insane
Agreed
Shane couldn't do the tough shit. That's why Rick had to put Sophia down.
dying light music in the background was unbelievably smooth
Very well researched.
I love how you used dying light soundtrack
Laurie was extremely flippant with the way she treated Shane She could’ve shown compassion, but chose not to He asked her if she meant it when she asked him to stay? She probably didn’t even even remember saying it
Wish Shane would have made it further into the story. Would have liked to see how he'd reacted to other characters like the governor.
him wanting to keep Lori and carl safe wasn't really selfish. i don't think he's a villain and although he did desire her, carl probably had more to do with it than she did. he needed something to protect to keep going. idk if that's selfish, maybe something else. he did accept rick as a leader even though he had no real reason to be leader over that group. every decision rick made early put the group at jeopardy. he literally watched the sinking ship. he betrayed rick in the end but not from lack of trying to support him.