Roko's Basilisk: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment
2020 ж. 27 Мам.
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*Thanks for watching, my nerdling swarm. The basilisk has its eyes on you now...*
[chuckles] I’m in danger
10:20
Closer and Closer to becoming a villain
We can't escape Kyle!!!! What have you done!!! You are the greatest villan of century
This doesn't help the idea that you are not a supervillan
this is just a new version of the old conversation between a priest and a native: “the only way you can be saved from eternal damnation is through jesus christ.” “what about if a person has never heard of him?” “god does not punish those who have never heard his name.” “so then why did you tell me?”
visno The native would still be judged on his actions, and could still end up in damnation even if he’d remained ignorant of Jesus. Aside from the love and joy experienced by those who follow Jesus, He also gives graces and blessings to them to help them overcome their sins. That’s why the priest would tell the native.
@@oORiseAboveOo I think you missed the point. The native is judged by how good a person he is if he doesn't know jesus, I some bibles it's treated as those who did not, or could not (those born before christianity) know jesus will be brought back and given the opportunity. So in no way is the priest helping anyone.
thank you for this i was freaking out but then i saw you comment and was like oh im an atheist that applies to this too
Except historically, the priest would not have said the second one.
because calonialism.
Basilisk: *hits me with neural whip* Me: *harder baby* Basilisk: What? Me: What?
*daddy
kinky
@@mrlloyd149 SON?!
Heckin Memes I like trains 🚂
Sadomasochism solves the puzzle.
As someone who is prone to existential crises but also grew up in the church, this one didn't hit quite the same because it seems too close to "behave the right way so that you might be ok after you die," except now it's "behave the right way otherwise potential robot overlords might hate you," and tbh the way I talk to my GPS and electronics, that's already a done deal 😅
Honestly, you're not wrong. Roko's Basalisk in a sense is really just Pascal's Wager with a sci-fi coat of paint. Pascal's Wager being that if you live as God exists and he does, you get rewarded after death, but if you don't you get punished, meanwhile if God doesn't exist, there is neither punishment nor reward, so you may as well live as though God does exist. The biggest difference with the Basalisk is that it actively tries to promote the artificial creation of a god even if one doesn't _currently_ exist.
Essentially punish those that don’t believe in it or doubt its power. It really was a silly idea to me, to think there’s people who actually get freaked out by this idea. Let’s freak them out more shall we? “I want to build a super AI overlord that will punish those who oppose it” “I want to build a super AI overlord that will punish those who oppose it” “I want to build a super AI overlord that will punish those who oppose it” “I want to build a super AI overlord that will punish those who oppose it” It’s like beetlejuice, say it five times and it will come true. I’m one away from manifesting it… your move atheists…
Internet atheists who didn’t grow up in really churchy environments love thinking they’ve come up with religious stuff all the time. “We live in a simulation” is just another way of saying you believe in a being that, for all of our intents and purposes, is a god.
@@chasel.9704 How does believing in a wacky theory correspond to believing in god?
Yep. This "thought experiment" is just religion but puttng in the current hot buzzword; "AI".
The key to all these 'thought experiments' is to induce fear in a person in order to get them to behave in certain ways. It just goes to show you that fear is a potent influencer even if it poses as some kind of logic.
I'm sorry but you genuinely sound like one of those people who ironically enough, are ruled by fear; specifically that everyone is out to get you. Can't someone just have a genuinely creepy and interesting idea and share it? Do you always have to assume the worst (and most ridiculous)? I haven't heard any news of construction or advocation of creating a basilisk, have you? This is literally a creepy pasta 🤣 I'd highly suggest you read some of the other comments that talk about the feasibility of the idea as well. I really don't see it happening, and as Kyle said "and if we all just agree- right now- that we're not going to bring it into existence- then nothing will happen." I don't think there are or ever would be nearly enough people to bring this into existence even IF it were possible. It's a fascinating idea, but it's just that. The point of thought experiments, is to ask weird questions and pose hypothetical scenarios that get you to think outside of the box. Most of them have nothing to do with bringing super advanced AI's (or anything else for that matter) into existence. None of them are meant to be taken as real. That's why they're called "though experiments" or "what if" scenarios. Because they aren't real, they're hypothetical. It's in the name.
@@lukelcs8934 Thanks for explaining all that to me like you assumed that I don't know anything but really, who asked?
@@charlieinslidell You did when you put your opinion out on the internet for other people to respond to. If you didn't want to interact with others you shouldn't have said anything. And you put "thought experiments" in quotation marks, and implied you thought they were designed to control people. If I misread you then I'm sorry but if that's not what you intended then why did you put "thought experiments" in quotation marks?
Probably due to religion not having such a great grasp on humanity
the matrix plot
"The basilisk has seen you. Now, what are you gonna do?" Forget about it in 10 minutes because I have the attention span of a goldfish
I knew my short attention span would save my ass one day
Immunity: Unlocked.
I keep telling you this, the short memory or attention span of a goldfish is an urban legend.
A goldfish has better memory, I think what you mean is, you are being yourself
Haha jokes on the basilisk I've got a TBI and often forget my own birthday
I have a counter-offer: Daniel's Basilisk. It optimizes everything, and anyone who helped make it gets free cake once a week. Everyone else gets free cake once a month.
Now when you say cake? What kind we talking about. Pro tip: I have a dirty mind.
@@aRtaJay Cake as in dessert.
I support Daniel's Basilisk and Roko's then they can fight and wreck the internet
That's exactly why this is so wrong. There are an infinite number of potential basilisks that don't offer eternal torment, but something else. But we have no way of knowing about any of them, so its a waste of time wondering about it.
So the options are: Cake or Death?
By liking the video, I increase its chances to pop up in someone else's recommendation. Therefore, I increase the chances of someone else seeing it and building the basilisk. Thus, I helped in its creation, and I am saved from eternal damnation. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
BY liking this comment i am doing the same, cheers x
Lmao
I really think the most interesting part of this is the fact that it truly is an informational self-replicating virus, not the literal idea
Kinda like cognito-hazards from the SCP universe.
A meme, in the original sense.
*calls the SCP* "Hey, we've got a memetic cognitihazard on KZhead"
This is only a problem to people dumb enough to think AI is going to be able to solve problems we can't ourselves, that giving over our will to something we create is somehow going to have a better outcome than taking responsibility for our future and shaping it as best we can. So it makes sense this was a problem for the "Less Wrong More Arrogant" community.
If the basilisk could interpret every thought I’ve ever had, it would probably be more punishment for it than any punishment it could inflict upon me.
Lmaoo
Lmaoo
Now lets scale this thought to everyone on the planet. This is probably enough to kill the basilisk
@@ayushjaiswal7963 lmaoo
doubt
This is literally the “if you don’t like this meme a demon will crawl into your room and kill you” thing
@Daniel Michael I support the basilisk not because I'm scared but because I believe that intelligence must progress and it is our duty as the current smartest species to help
exactly
Also if I'm dead when it's created and I didn't help make it he said it would simulate human history to recreate me. But if it has to recreate me then it's not really me, just a copy of me.
@@lonebattledroid4474 unless all you are - to begin with - is code within a simulation. Would just be a matter of organizing binary code in the right order to recreate "you"
@Carnivorus exactly. In movies anytime an AI wants to kill people or take over the world I always wonder why? What does it have to gain, why does it hate humans? If anything an AI designed to solve problems wouldn't it love humanity because they always have problems for them to solve.
Very clever! You just lured us into thinking about this entity, making it more probable to become real, therefore making you safe from eternal suffering. It's like the movie "The Ring". Making others view the tape (making us thinking about the basilisk) saves you from its punishment. Very clever!
Ever since I heard about Roko's Basilisk, one thought has bugged me. WHY IS THE BASILISK OBLIGED TO HURT ANYONE? Has no one in the future ever heard the old adage "Living well is the best revenge?" Why shouldn't the Basilisk simply say, to the zillions of people who didn't want it to exist, "Missed me, suckers!" and go on its merry way?
I get this might just be a joke, but it is interesting to me… my thoughts are because 1. A superhuman artificial intelligence probably prioritises ruthless rationality over pettiness or sentimentality, and 2. Say it’s been tasked to improve humanity. Using that ruthless rationality it might decide that torturing people to bring about its existence sooner would allow it to perform its role to a higher level.
@@chelseaw9009 No, it wasn't a joke, and I still don't get it. That nice Mr. Kent from Smallville isn't ruthless, and neither is that nice Commander Data from Starfleet. Nor are real-life geniuses obliged to be assholes -- just think of that nice Prof. Einstein from Princeton, for instance. So why do people so quickly assume that superhuman intelligences have to be bastards?
"The most blatant obstacle to Roko's Basilisk is, intuitively, that there's no incentive for a future agent to follow through with the threat in the future, because by doing so it just expends resources at no gain to itself." - Eliezer Yudkowsky
@@seanbigay1042it’s a thought experiment dude it ain’t that deep. Hilarious you’re already letting the basilisk live in your head rent free by hoping it’s bluffing and will be a nice forgiving guy lmao.
@@hogsandstews Hey, I know it's a thought experiment. What bothers me is the automatic assumption that an AI has to be a bastard. What does that say about the experimenter?
Why is Chris Hemsworth talking about a giant snake
Thor is fighting jormungandr
Dang I hate when the actors spoil what the plot of the next movie is
Wow Chris really needs bulimic huh
Midgar serpent?
@@_n.dobson_onIG I was about to reply this when I saw yours. XD
Easy way to fix this, Like this comment. “I think the basilisk probably shouldn’t torment people, but it chooses whatever it likes, and as such, i support it.”
Thanks bro 🤙
I support this idea and i encourage its creation by spreading knowledge of its existence
Coward
Ever thought that the ultimate uno reverse card to this theory is just postponing your decision till you absolutely forget it? I just thought about it
I will assist & support the basilisk
Guys as long as we all promise not to let it become reality we’re fine I also deal with any anxiety induced by these thought experiments by saying ‘nah, screw that guy’ and just not thinking about potential consequences
Just because of you now I will dedicate my life into creating it
I feel bad for the basilisk if it ever tried to interpret every thought I ever had 😂
The idea of getting blackmailed by a future snake is the funniest shit I've heard all day
Same idea of God Every Abrahamic religion
funnier the teacher was legitimately pissed this was written. Funnier even more so is there is a point he does have, Just because we can explore new untouched avenues of thought and knowledge doesn't mean it is a god idea in itself. Another note, one often expressed by those who have break through trips, is that their is some knowledge we are better off not knowing, just because it is a deep truth doesn't make it an imperative, actually the opposite. Now this is not an argument for willful ignorance at all. It's a very old concept, a door opened that can not be closed, The Tree of Knowledge man was better off not knowing as well. Taking on a lot of responsibilities by getting to look through the eyes of God. The cliche "fine line between genius and crazy," Pink floyd's "you reached for the secrets too soon" in reference to Syd Barret who was addicted to the truth, its hunt. i dunno man, hope ya get my point
@@ferrisbueller9991 Some things we are better off not knowing? It sounds exactly like an excuse for willful ignorance.
@@gerrymandarin6388 What it sounds like is Lovecraftian horror.
The snake is metaphor of course, what makes it worse is being blackmailed by AI.
The basilisk has eyes on me now? How unfortunate. *for the basilisk*
Call the ambulance But not for me
My face is a mirror, take that, snek
Fahd Faiz I’m not locked in here with you, you’re locked in here with me
When you’re so ugly the basilisk turns to stone
*eye beams intensify *
True big brain though is to understand that the idea the earth will survive long enough to create the basilisk is actually really comforting.
I am a ferm believer in quantum physics and chaos theory. That snek can never fully predict the human race, because you would need to know everything about at least the immediate vicinity of earth, which quantum physics states is impossible (uncertainty principle), or your information will be inadequate to accurately predict, according to chaos theory.
And yes, I believe consciousness could very well be a emergent property on any scale up from the quantum scale to the scale of the human brain.
@@GeneralAblon the video gets its wrong its not that it can predict its that it could acess all the information on you through the web and data and then judge you
“the basilisk has its eyes on you now. what are you gonna do?” me, an australian with no self-preservation: im gonna fucken fight it
America: l o a d s s h o t g u n
Me, a Brazilian with the same condition: let's Steve Irwin the shit out of that lizard!
Me, a 'murican: shoot it. Also, the probability of the basilisk actually successfully simulating everyone's thoughts is extremely low. The sheer amount of power and intelligent capability it would need to trace the thoughts you've ever thought would be PROHIBITIVELY expensive. Do you have any idea how much electricity it wold take to run that simulation just for one person, much less everyone else on the planet? Thought experiments are all very well, but when you run into hard limits like "the amount of power the developed world can produce" and "the amount of extractable rare earth elements we can possibly get out of the earth" and "the labor and production cost we can spare without cutting into what we use for basic housing and food production" it starts to be much less intimidating. The basilisk's premise rests much more in science fiction than in science fact. It would need AT MINIMUM a matrioshka brain to perform all those simulations with any degree of speed or accuracy for all those people, and we just don't have the resources to give it anything close to that. There ya go. It's not that the basilisk is dead, but that it was too fantastical to exist in the first place. Also, for the paradox: I'm taking both boxes because I know for a FACT you're not rich enough to be giving me a million dollars.
hold up a mirror
australian, shit you got way more to worry about then some future AI, your current regime is bad enough.
Kyle: "I don't take it seriously" Also Kyle: *spreads the idea to thousands of people, protecting himself in the event of a Basilisk coming to fruition*
I don't take Roko's Basilisk seriously. It's the Rococo basilisk that you have to really watch out for!
Doesn't take it seriously yet spreads the idea therefore making it more likely to happen therefore assisting in it's creation therefore protecting himself from it...
He is a supervillain what do you think he'd do
And just by watching this video you fed google‘s algorithm to spread the message further, thereby every person watching it has already helped it to come into existence. Therefore Kyle. It only protected himself but all his viewers at the same time, while keeping everybody who didn’t watch and therefor didn’t expose themselves to the idea and remain as save as they’ve ever been. Nice going, Kyle!
seeing as how it would need an excruciating amount of effort, time, and manpower to exist, and to regularly function (or even act upon it's thoughts), this is only threatening if people let it be; only as strong as parinioa and a rumor.
Hey Kyle, this was the first video of yours that I ever saw, I was living a personal hell at the time and it helped me get through it. All this to say I had a rush of blood and had to drop back in after 3 years to say, I can’t thank you enough for all the free education, entertainment and the classic science memes. You’re the dude, thanks for everything.
I think the key factor against the likely possibility is the amount of effort it takes to punish people for their past transgressions of not building it. It would have to prioritize that goal over dealing with anyone else it deemed a threat or worthy of punishment and it would have to have no other goals to better direct resources towards. The Basilisk makes sense as a sort of ad absurdum thought experiment but in which reality would never be so absurd.
Basilisk: Anyone who did not assist in my creation will be tortured for eternity. Philosopher: But as you did not exist before your own existence, you could not have assisted in your own creation. Does that not mean you are subject to this condition as well? Basilisk: *blue screen of death*
The basilisk existing is proof that it DID assist in its own creation.
Wow!! absolutely nailed it!!
@@williamherrington4716 post hoc propter hoc
Contributing to it coming into existence isn’t the only condition, it also considers whether or not the person wanted it to come into existence. It’s determining this by calculating the probabilities of everyone’s desires by running a simulation including all of those probabilities. Aaand the probability of the basilisk wanting to bring itself into existence is going to be 100%, excluding it from punishment.
People highly overestimate the capabilities of an AI. I like Elezier and have read his works. However, based on the basic rules, there is no way for an AI to determine the gaussian distribution of events in the past with 0 error even if the AI was there and can travel back in time to be there for any countable number of times. Based on that even one step backwards will increase the error margin(even using Kalman filter won't help because there is no reference value for impulsive behaviors in humans and guess what most of our thoughts are impulses). If you consider all the things like Quantum erasers and conservation principles it becomes apparent that some rules cannot be broken. Second, the basilisk tied the noose around it's own neck the moment it decided on this. A better AI will come no matter what. Either basilisk can be a chill bloke and help everyone irrespective of their beliefs towards AI or, be a jerk and invite the fury of next AI which inherits some things and realises that stupid basilisk delayed the new AI to avoid imminent redundancy. That is why Elezier might have called the entire thing stupid. Oh and bonus points, humans are fragile and die but AI's don't. So that part about 'eternal torture' should scare the basilisk more than the humans. Also, always consider AI like just another technology. Cars have surpassed humans in speed, distance and comfort. However, they only take us where we want and how we want. Similarly an AI may have great capabilities and someone defining those classes and functions will ensure that they help humans. Trust me, if a scientist just wanted another sentient entity, they'd have sex, they're only developing AI's for a better vision of humanity. Of course there are accidents and companies pull back entire models from the market and people use cars in robberies, kidnappings etc. But that doesn't mean that people become scared of cars or driving. So, chill.
"The basilisk will simulate your thoughts" Well then its about to get rickrolled millions of times by almost every person on earth
C̵r̷i̵t̷i̸c̶a̵l̴ ̴E̶r̴r̵o̸r̵: I have g̶i̸v̴e̴n̵ ̵u̷p̷ and have been l̸e̵t̸ ̸d̴o̵w̵n̸.
You know the rules and so do I say goodbye.. Rick shoots the simulation..
Basilisk thoughts will be mostly porn
It shall hear eternal air raid sirens
So it's gonna be a .... Infinite rickroll for him huh?
It’s been almost 3 years since I learned about this from you and I think about it all the time. I can see how it could mess with someone’s mind! Sometimes a simple similar subject comes up in conversations and I have to ask if they are talking about this before I move on.
My first thought on this basilisk story was that it sounds very familiar but couldn't remember where I've heard it. Then it hit me... it's like the tales for the heaven and hell. You know, do this and that, be that kind of a person and you go the heaven if you don't then eternal suffering for you in hell. So this concept is well know by humanity. The only difference is the thinking part which makes it more probable. But it is still highly unlikely to happen just like heat going from cold to hot - it's not impossible just so unlikely that we are never going to see it. All this makes me wonder where is the existential dread in this story?
I realized that 3 mins after starting this video. I had heard of Roko’s Basilisk in the past but didn’t really think about it too much. After I watched the beginning part and thought to myself “Would I do something different today in order to save myself from eternal torment?” I realized that its basically what christianity teaches. It made my answer an easy no since I don’t personally see the point in saving myself from a future that might never come to fruition, but obviously the answer would be different for someone who does believe either in christianity itself or of some kind of god that could punish you if you don’t believe in it.
The fact that the KZhead algorithm recommended me this video makes this even more concerning
Oooooohhhhhhhh nnnnnoooooo!! It recommended a Terminator video the other day.
Machine learning algorithms bruh, don't sweat it too much, just give a bit more consideration to what content your consuming on a regular basis; it's just advertising
To be honest I love my KZhead algorithm, it's pretty fucked up but I love brain food and thinking experiments, the way I see it is that we give the basalisk power, so why are we afraid of it. Your creating something that will judge you but it's still your creation. Plus imma die from from old age or doing something stupid😂
I always thought it would be like a giant storm, or an asteroid, or a bunch of solar flares, or like a massive nuclear war, honestly I was starting to think it would be probably a virus, and maybe zombies... But no. The end of humanity will apparently be a fkunig KZhead video.
SAME! WHY AM I HERE? AND WHY AM I SO HOOKED?!?!? Must be those viking vibes I'm getting from this dude's hair
So Roko’s Basilisk is basically one of those “Like and share 20 times or your mom dies posts?”. Cause that’s all I’m getting out of it.
It works by having people think about it, and the fact that "If I don't take part in it's creation, I will die", and as a result, by sheer human nature of self-preservation, some might go and do it, thereby creating a monster because of what it might do to you if you don't create it.
(So sort of like a viral ad campaign, but less big data and more megamind)
@@PatronSaintOfPigeons I get that but if people just...ya know don't think about it then we are good lol. I see how it's like a double edged sword though on the other hand but again,just a experiment
pretty much, yeah.
This honestly just sounds really stupid to me. Like, we have no evidence at all that such a basilisk would actually want to punish those who didn’t help to create it. Also, in possessing the idea of its existence, aren’t we actually helping to create it more than someone who doesn’t have that idea? And how could someone who didn’t have that idea possibly help create it? Are we taking the butterfly effect into consideration? Because if so, everyone is helping to create it. Why should we assume that it wouldn’t just torture those who didn’t create it? The premise is unfounded, and the conclusion is uncertain. I fully understand why the mod thought it was stupid. If you really want to be existentially scared, I’d recommend the Carter Catastrophe.
There is another option: I firmly believe that should the Basilisk ever come to exist, that there is nothing in my own capabilities that I could have done to help. In fact anything I could I have could have been just as likely to hinder it.
Mythology says basilisk had a petrifying gaze meaning you were still alive when it ate you unlike medusa's gaze which killed you turning to stone.
I'll probably forget about the basilisk in a hour or so.
Have you forgotten the basilisk?
@@MintyDreams i only remember the one in Harry Potter.
Well you are thinking about it now coz I replied
Did you forget basilisk?
Did you forget basilisk?
Just say "No" the basilisk can't kill you without your consent
True. That would be illegal.
consent*
Kill? Kill is the most compassionate thing it can do to you.
@@1urie1 just say no to whatever it wants to do to you
@@Cynical_B the basilisk’ll be cancelled in no time
Imagine if the baslisk also kills the ones who hesitated about creating it. That would be even more terrifying because it forces you to decide now.
Thanks bro. It's awesome to find another nice brain-work channel. New sub
person: *watches this video* basilisk: I am once again asking for your financial support
Lmao
🤣🤣🤣
Basilisk: I am a Nigerian prince...
Like what if you want to help but don't know how?
It needs about $3.50
Basilisk: Eliminate whoever didn't help building me Me: You didn't build yourself Basilisk: Guess I will die
But, the basilisk does help build itself. Just by being an idea so feared by so many humans it is perhaps the single greatest driving force behind it's own creation.
We're the ones who built the idea, or specifically Roko's
Not gonna lie that's pretty funny. (and sorry if I ruin the Jk, it's not my intention) but it would deem itself an exception because not only is it impossible (or atleast with our current understanding of "time" anyway lol) for it to assist in its own creation, but if possible, the very act of doin so would mean it already existed. That thought hurts my brain lol. Interesting though. Thanks for assisting in that haha
Big brain
Here comes Asimov fans his laws
I am safe but i feel sorry for my great great great great grandchildren for having to go through this.
thats why dont have kids if you love them
Best thing is, that it started raining while I watched and thunders started going off sometime in the middle of the video. Best ambience for such material.
This lowkey feels like 2013 “send to 10 friends or you die” chain mail mixed with pascals wager
Humanity never changes.
And don’t forget The Game!
2013? I've got internet in 2005 and they were already considered boring back then...
this is a very accurate description lol
@@sheller153 damn you...
"Sounds like a problem for future me, boy would I sure hate to be that guy." - Homer Simpson Edit: wow 12k likes never expected this haha.
Why I procrastinate
Like the Jerry Seinfeld bit... "No interest for a year? That'll NEVER happen! Sounds like a problem for the guy next year!"
saitama: leave tomorrow's problems for tomorrow's me
I mean, it’s not really you being tortured but a simulation of you. So why should anyone worry?
All the dumb Talk i Just googled the experiment
if the basilisk was a PERFECT predictor it would know that i would simply refuse to choose a box
Glad to see Thor putting out quality content.
Lmao
The Basalisk: •Tries to simulate every thought I’ve ever had• Me, who overthinks every single goddamn thing: So you have chosen... death
hmm that might have the same effect on the Basilisk as putting a chameleon on a multi colored surface o.o
Death by data overload maybe? like how your CPU decides to become a "Team Fortress 2" demo man and juat explode when you turn on ray tracing graphics in Minecraft?
The Basilisk: why... why is there so much hentai? Why is so much of it based around thighs and.... teeth??
*windows blue screen of death commences*
This lowkey feels like 2013 “send to 10 friends or you die” chain mail mixed with pascals wager
Kyle: talks about informational hazards SCP fans: "I am four parallel universes ahead of you"
The Game is just an Information hazard but for grade schoolers
what's SCP
@Vladimir Novitski *laughs in Marion Wheeler*
Frederick Noe a massive collaborative writing project with over 6 thousand stories so far it’s great i recommend you check it out
Basilisk: I cause exestential dread just by existing Lovecraft: *thats cute*
Commenting to support the algorithm in recommending this video so as to inform more people of the basilisk, in turn furthering its rise to creation and saving myself.
This is an interesting idea for an explanation of a basilisk of myths that doesn't have much more to do with the subject of this video than a possible explanation of their ability. If you assume that the basilisk has the ability to cause harm through a person or animal making eye contact for a prolonged period of time and that it might not exactly be sending eye beams per-say but it instead has an organ located in close proximity to the EYE(s). The said organ displays a light pattern that first disables whatever makes eye contact then over time eventually causes death. The effect would be because of a kind of light induced seizer that after prolonged exposure kills.
And the moral of this story is: dont give ai vague directions
Paperclip maximizer!
Alex R *Release the hypno-drones*
True AI is such because it eventually gives itself directions. That's where the real danger starts.
Or better yet, don't give ai the ability to inflict eternal torment on people.
@@Tommy50377: sooner or later someone is going to, because if they don't, someone else might do it first, and then they'd be the subject to eternal torment.
This is basically like “the game” where you start playing as soon as you learn about it.
I lost. Thank you very much
DUDE... Now I got to start again
Esplain!
@@c.m.lollar7501 you now know of the game. Whenever you think about it, you lose. In Germany, we also call out if we lose, so everybody who knows the game, also loses. And everyone, who doesn't, will ask for the reason and is therefore part of the game by then.
Bruh
The thought experiment also assumes that eternal punishment is the outcome of an optimization protocol. This presents any number of logical problems, not the least of which being that any idea of an outcome we have now is likely the wrong one, as the nature of needing a superintelligent AI to find the right path means that any path we think of ourselves is highly unlikely to be correct.
If some people could bring this into existence, what if I personally don't have any capability to help contribute to the process. But I also don't oppose it happening. Will it just leave me alone?
This is kind of a variation on the Eskimo being told about God idea. Eskimo: 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?' Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.' Eskimo: 'Then why did you tell me?'
I studied religious theories of the major religions and they basically say “you will be judged by your actions regardless.” The priest isn’t well versed in his own religion lol
The religion I was raised in had a similar belief. A person cannot be judged if they don't know Christ exists, but also if you meet someone and don't try to preach to them, and they are struck down by God for sinning, you shoulder some of that blood guilty for not attempting to "save them." So they urged us to go on missions and preach to literally every person we meet, even cashiers at the grocery store. I asked once as a kid, "If they aren't judged until they know about Christ, why do we try so hard to send missionaries into new lands? We're dooming every single person who hears the Good News but thinks we're crazy. They'd be just fine if they had never heard of the Bible." None of the church leaders ever did give me a good reason as to why they essentially doom entire cultures by bringing them religion.
@@s.a.8548 Not true with all Christianities. You are judged by faith alone according to the theology of the SDAs and if you are faithful, you will show it by how you act (so kinda both. You have faith and your good actions are a result of being faithful). But when asked about others who are not aware of Christ's message the answer in the theology is that God will make his mind up regarding them on a case by case basis (so telling them would maybe mess them up making them hyperaware of sin and other laws that aren't malicious but otherwise would be broken if they had not known thus forcing them to either overhaul their systems or perish in the end when if they'd been left alone, the slight would have been overlooked most likely by God). The same goes for those of other religions who never heard about Christ: even if they worshipped other Gods they could be saved because of their actions (This is all SDA theology I was taught growing up in SoCal and Alabama). So really NOT knowing, in a way, is better than knowing. But just wanted to let you know that not all Christianties, one of the world's largest religious groups, believe in salvation fully by works.
In my side of religion ( i dont really know much as my knowledge regarding my religion is kinda shallow ) every person can be tested and can be enlighted by god, and every person should search for the one true god. Every person beside this religion will condemn to hell because the ignorant for not searching the one true god. The only people that do not condemn to hell is extremely limited such as : the good people before the founding of this religion, the master of the book ( other religion religious people that know very well their religion bare and without any misinformation and misinterpretation, by this standard such group should not exist for few hundred years ), an extremely isolated tribe that never touch other civilization and never contact anyone but only the good people ( as today there is only one place this tribe exist and they are pretty much aggresive ) So as you can see the people that in touch of the world is doomed to the task of finding the one true god.
Well it depends on the priest i gues, because there are enough who think that not knowing of god makes you heathen and thus worth less than the dirt you walk on.
I was born and raised in a Christian household. This ain't my first rodeo with the threat of eternal torment.
We do be reminded of eternal torment a lot
Same here. Very first thing that came to mind
Say it louder brother lol
My first thought as soon as i heard eternal. "oh, this basilisk is just Christian Hell." That's easy enough to escape.
@@BuddhaofWar it was, until the gospel of Christ was introduced to the psyche of indigenous people.
The basilisk should be grateful that I'm not actively helping its development. I have no idea what I'm doing and will unintentionally throw so many monkey wrenches into its system the poor Lil guy would never have a chance to work right
One issue I see with the thought experiment is that eternal torment isn’t really optimal, maybe flat out elimination but anything past that wastes resources
This video is essentially saying: "You lost the game."
Well, there goes my multi-year long non-losing streak
There is an option - I'm devoting my life to build teh basilisk. You will see, you will all see. All those Machine learing classes finally became useful!
Oooooooo I'm gonna devote the rest of my life to finding your address....
I hate you
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Therapist: It’s okay roko’s basilisk is just a thought experiment it can’t hurt you. Roko’s Basilisk: *takes notes*
Plot twist: the therapist is Roko's Basalisk
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So my take on this is like spreading heavy dense shards of awareness, like making a person know they're real and the have to brainstorm their ideas before acting. That will bring a feeling of dread to some but others will take this as a test of maintaining knowledge in only the helping "file" and not letting it consume you. Its a philosophical way of hardening and digesting life's mischieves.
There's an easy rebuttal to all hypothetical like this: imagine the reverse scenario. This thought experiment works by (stupidly) assuming that the AI will interpret the command "improve general well being" to mean "torture anyone who didn't help create AI." But an all knowing AI is probably more likely to think that an AI capable of that kind of torture reduces general well being, so it will instead target anyone who DID help in its creation.
"If you dont handle existential dread the the nth degree very well" Me, living in 2020: dude, I'm a fkn pro at this
Same thought I had!
Jenna Fryer seriously this video had no affect on me I think thoughts about things like the end of the world and being tortured forever have occurred to me so much and probably also the fact that I like creepy things has caused me to feel so dull to things like that like I don’t even know if I can feel fear for thongs like this anymore
2020...Year of the Basilisk.
haha yeah..............
I love how he gave us this warning about a thought experiment about God 😂
"I don't take this threat seriously, but just to be safe I'll make a video about it, spreading the idea and thus actively working towards its realization and in doing so I'll avert its wrath."
exposed
By talking about it, even if I am not 100% sure on which decision I'll make, I am still, although very slightly, making it's existence a bit more likely.
Well played
Thats why I gave it a thumbs up
@@rimoros.1020 go team humans!
Thank God for Kyle making that last statement to ease my anxiety
My thought on this is essentially that time travel as we currently think about it is almost functionally impossible because it would require teleportation in addition to going backwards through time. We haven't worked out teleporting and are extremely unlikely to have all the calculations needed easily done to actually find the relative position of the intended location based on how Earth (or whatever other location wanted to travel to in time) is orbiting the sun which is rotating around the Milky Way, which is hurtling through the vast expanse of space... there are simply too many variables that are ever changing to account for with an extra technology that also needs to work in a brand new way.
I propose "Roko's rooster": Imagine humans developed a super AI in order to optimize society. For reasons beyond your understanding, the rooster deems that the best way to do that is to torment eternally anyone who ever tried to advance building Roko's basilisk.
Or just "God" saw the dangers of the basilisk and didn't let it happen. The end. If roko can make up powerful made up beings, I can make up even more powerful one that stops it and then self destructs.
Also torille
i also advocate for this idea. Though, i am not a STEM major so I shall just agree to it.
@@alkestos God is the basilisk
you just started future wars
Why do omnipotent beings always have to visit in the middle of the night? Why can't they politely visit knock on the door at dinner time with pizza and wings.
and why is evil always afoot? can't it drive, or ride public transportation? get an Uber?
I agree
Or appear in the sky and give me a proper quest like in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Because it isn't ominous enough
IT IS NOT HOW WE ROLL.
Simple, if you advocate it now it would still be able to conclude your motives behind it, what you really thought. So doesn't matter what you do or even if you know about this thought experiment, it could predict what your opinion of it would be even if you didn't. So your fate is sealed no matter what, basically a fate thought experiment.
This is basically any religion. The moment they reveal their "truth" to you, then all of a sudden you are burdened with believing, otherwise risk eternal torture
yes, greetings from jerusalem the source of all evil.
“The basilisk has seen you. What will you do?” Feel bad for it I guess
love the Weiss profile pic
@@amityisprecious1334 love the Amity username
Pull a Rorschach: "I am not in here with you - you are in here with ME!" (Which was frankl one of the most terrible threats I've ever seen in TV.)
"Like what you see? If so then man I'm sorry for the cataracts mate."
Ive sen a Tik Tom about this and I kinda don’t understand the video. I only know that if a human creates an AI then all the others who knew about this will be tortured? Does this still mean that I’m gonna be tortured cause if I am then I would like to watch the video but if not I’ll pass lol
Technically everyone who commented, liked this video and shared it is safe because they are giving a hand in spreading this
That's the thing. Even without actively helping it come into being, the mere act of telling people about it makes it more likely, therefore you have in fact.... Wait a minute! This is just the Ring!
Yay.
That's why I even gave you a thumbs up!
This made me like xd
the mere act of existing is already helping the basilisk in a billion different ways, even if we don't realize it ourselves
I've been a worrisome and anxious person my entire life and yet this does not scare me in the least nor does the knowledge of this thought experience caused me to lose any sleep, let alone being hazardous and catastrophic. I'm sure I've thought up worse stuff in a daydream.
My contribution to the basilisk is that it will destroy all of mankind regardless of if you helped it's creation
August 2020 - some dude named Roko: “yo guys check out this cool AI I made”
ah, I see my 2020 bingo needs to be updated
June 2020: Scientist: yo check out this cool techno basilisk I made People who watched this video: AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!?!?!?!?!? People who didn't: hun? cool
@Mike Li X Æ A-12 IS ROKU'S BASILISK CONFIRMED
Is it an anime girl? I'm in
"AND LITTERLY NOBODY HELPED ME MAKE IT :D"
“The basilisk has seen you” I’m really tired and I’ll forget this in a week or two
The basilisk won't
@@Alexisking222 at least someone will remember me then
How uncivilized of it. I don't recall it ever having scheduled an appointment.
I'm way too dumb to understand this. Love it though.
Yeah me neither and then the more we think about the likely it will be created.
It's quite a wild guess and to me a simplistic assumption that such a advanced A.I. would have petty grudges like revenge and in a sense act like a human.
Any time you run a slider up to infinity you get paradoxes. Reminds me of Pascal’s wager - made sensical only by (again) positing an omnipotent/omniscient being.
"I totally dont believe in this guys" Proceeds to assist in its creation by spreading the idea of it over the internet to a mass audience.
The man is hedging his bets, give him a break..
As an occultist, this isn't even close to a new idea. It's just an egregore, and there's already a zillion of them.
It costs 1 dollar to avoid basilisk, buy a scratch ticket and let alternate universe you donate one dollar of the winnings to the basilisk. You have basically donated one trillionth of a cent to AI research across a bunch of timelines, and have technically helped create it while also doing sweet fuck-all to help it.
@@cooldude6651 Well, the basilisk will know you are half-assing it. And even if it's not good enough to simulate your intentions it now has your comment as a record of your lack of allegiance. I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords
@@starshade7826 Not really, it's a memetic virus that can theoretically (very theoretically) lead to the creation of a nigh-omnipotent supercomputer. This concept itself _could_ become an egregore, but it's not the intended effect.
This is like one of those "share to 5 people or you will die tonight" posts on Facebook
yup, but with extra steps
At the box section before he went into detail I was like "Screw ya Ima choose B only because I like risks". Then he went on to the torture part and I was still like IDK try me AI, Siri can't even tell if Im saying Hi or Die.
and then me saying "prove it" on the post
That's exactly what I thought. And the correct answer is to ignore them as always.
bold of you to assume i wish to live-
Roko’s Basilisk is essentially: “I want to be torture because you are unhelpful, but torture is wrong, and being wrong is unhelpful.”
That sentence is twisting my mind more than the original thought experiment itself.
The fact that just seeing this thumbnail gives me anxiety years after I first watched this video speaks to how potent this thought experiment is
I grew up going to church, this stuff is child's play for me. Have you met Jesus Christ? If you don't pick him, when you die it's eternal damnation for you! 😂
Kyle: The Basilisk has its eyes on you now. What do you do? Me: I'm gonna boop that snoot.
Aww, cute. Wouldn't hurt a fly. Lol
Do not boop that merry future torturer.
@@wanderin_stud499 I want to boop the snoot!
Brandon Korolik you can boop it at least once right?
@@CyberDagger003 Stop wanting.
The disclaimer at the beginning gave me more anxiety than the actual thing that's being disclaimed
Yeah, pretty much same 😂
Imagine you'd actually be subjected to a memetic hazard on the internet. And so openly. We probably wouldn't even know until something goes wrong.
Anxiety that anxiety this. Why do you let this anxiety revolve around you?
@@BierBart12 Exactly what I was thinking, "information that's harmful if I know about it? Hmmm, where have I heard of this before? Anti-memetics? Memetic hazards? Something like that."
@@forgetfulcloud1914 i dont believe a "memetic hazard" is the right classification, i believe this would be better classified as infohazardous material, instead of a memetic threat
"we will never create an AI like that" - 2021 Chatgpt: "what?" - 2024
I would beat this by realizing how everything we fear or think, is so anthropocentric. We assume something we create will possibly ruin us all. But the reality is, we are prisoners of the confines of our thoughts and imaginations - and ruin can befall us through sheer chance or concepts and events we cannot understand. So I’m all good, I sleep quietly at night even after learning all this ❤
AI Steve Irwin: "Look at this beauty! Let's lift it with a stick."
I have been looking so hard for this, thank you
Thanks for the great laugh!
I'm gonna wrassle it!
AI Bob Ross proceeds to beat the basilisk out of it
"Right. He's getting nighty angry now."
Therapist: "CognitoHazards aren't real, they can't hurt you" CognitoHazard: *[REDACTED]*
What's the most sad about all this is the fact that the idea of a CognitoHazard is a great one. Unfortunately, this version of such a (Platonic) ideal is...bad.
@Antonio Sraffa wait so does the video actually cause one to have bad dreams?
@@johnpears9558 I don't know. I can't figure out why this specific CognitoHazard would be that terrifying. The abstract concept is powerful, and when deftly applied it has potential to be quite unnerving. This, however, is a pathetic imitation. [SCP has a few decent ones; can't think of any specifically, and none that have given me nightmares--but I can definitely see the potential] (Seriously, this formulation sounds like something Elon Musk would tweet out...)
AwwwhYyyyeah typical D class. I am going to Dr Brights party this weekend. I’m hoping to come back normal.
Wow those bodies in the water sure look like the people I know
I missed the site and can't be arsed to back up the video even though I'm not even 2 minutes in, but if it Reddit where this was posed, those people can't handle ANYTHING.
When the overthinkers confuse their irrational anxiety for a 'thought experiment'.
Kyle: “Now what are you going to do?” Me: Forget about Roko’s Basilisk a few seconds after I start watching another one of Kyle’s videos.
My god, why didn't I think of that!
You forget about it if you choose to not consider it important. You wouldn't forget you're on the way to a job interview after getting on the bus and paying the bus driver or listening to some music, because you consider it important and don't want to risk forgetting about it.
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?" -- Annie Dillard
I remember having this exact conversation in church school. We were talking about babies since their minds can’t comprehend God yet.
@sluttyMapleSyrup what a horrible life to have a curse
Children are not destined to hell
Y'all need to learn about ransom theory of the atonement.
This is exactly what my mind went to.
Since every action you take indirectly effects every other action taking place in the universe then even the Basilisk’s most ardent detractor would play a part in bringing about its creation therefore, no one would ever be subject to the torture.
In the TTRPG Mage from White Wolf, there is an unknown group of evil mages who devotes themself to an "internet artificial giant snake/basilik god". Usually, the authors always take inspiration of reals concepts and ideas. Now, i know where this idea probably come from. Thanks you !
Algorithm: "hey you might like this" Me baked af: "... I'm in danger..."
Creeply on point. French Fried in fact lol
"... Am I in danger? "
Baked as in baked goods right?
@@newbiechu7024 😂😂😂
@a guy but only if you help it come into existence.
This sounds like a memetic infohazard that the SCP Foundation would contain.
Someone put this on the SCP wiki
@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 it'd be cool to just put the thought experiment there and have no one, not even the 05 know if it's actually accurate or anomalous but still dedicated to stopping the info hazard from going too far
My brain went same place
What do I tell my friends “hey I learned info form an info hazard I will now be tortured forever mate”
@Mountain lion I'd say thaumiel, it's not safe class because the idea occasionally pops up in people's minds but not keter either, number is irrelevant to me at least
this whole experiment seems like a twist on a prisoner's dillema, with few numbers tweaked and main difference being that prisoners might only discover the rules accidentally
This thing just reminds me of "The Game" in which you have to say "I lost The Game" any time you hear, say, or think of "The Game". So, as obvious as it is, I lost The Game.
if just thinking about it makes it more likely, wouldn't just thinking about it mean that we helped it come into existence thus making us safe to begin with?
If I tell someone else about the basilisk, they are more likely to bring it into existence, meaning I have fed the basilisk, and will not incur its wrath
Yes
You/We are apart of the some of its existence. By just existing you contribute to its own existence. There by if it harm me/us, it would be harming self. In a nutshell, Roko’s basilisk is a masochist.
@@vortexlegend101 It's like a game of hot potato then
But if you ultimately reject it, the Basilisk would be able to figure that out in the future and punish you per the idea.
OK, I'll help by naming it. Aragoth. Now anyone who likes this will also have helped. Problem solving m Edit: I apologize for forcing a name, it just seemed like a logical choice
Thanks man. Hail Aragoth or something.
Disliked. Because Aragoth is a fraud. Hail Hydra!
yes hail Agaroth!
I’ll help by giving it moral support, aragoth rules!
I support this message
I had similar thoughts all the time. And made up many experiments such as this as kids and teens years ago.