Azeron Cyborg Review: The Gaming Keyboard You MUST See
2021 ж. 26 Қыр.
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The Azeron Cyborg is a must-have accessory for any high-skill-level PC gamers out there who are searching to push their gameplay to the next level.
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First cyborg review I've seen that didn't feel like a sales pitch. Thanks!
I got the cyborg at release and I love it. It is the first gaming keypad I've tried that will finally let me retire my no longer in production Logitech G13. I love that the Azeron has both a joystick and a hat on the thumb. That allows me to control movement with the joy and still associate five different buttons with the hat. To get the most out of any gaming keyboard I think folks really need to do some out of the box thinking about their key layouts and really customize it per game. For example, my dragon age origins layout for my g13, I had only move forward. I could turn left and right with the mouse, or 180 and in that game there was never a need to back up. So a lot of other use functions would go on the asd. To next level my Azeron I got the Rewasd software which has cyborg support and works really really well. This adds the ability to do activators like hold, double and triple tap. So for instance, in RTS type games, to group units by numbers, the number keys I have tap assigned to the number, and hold assigned to ctrl plus the same number. This allows me to do all my unit quick assignments on one key without having to hit a modifier key. It's fabulous. I can also put still needed, but lesser used actions under double and triple tap activators which is awesome. The Azeron cyborg with Rewasd is a really fabulous experience and I would highly recommend it to anyone for PC gaming.
I’ll be getting my cyborg today. And that means my g13 will be safely put away for safe keeping for now… hearing this is a good replacement is great. I do hope that with me getting the cyborg now means Logitech will be releasing a new g13 Tomorrow, lol . If that’s what it toon for it to happen so be it, but look very much forward to the cyborg.
I love my classic. Didnt come with the fancy driver! I am excited to get a Cyborg and super happy to see they also sell switches and parts online now!
Great in-depth review! What size thumbstick does it most closely match? I use KontrolFreeks and would like to know if I should buy the PS or Xbox caps. Does the lack of USBC or Azeron software cause any input delay?
good questions. shouldn't cause any input delay
Been using mine for years I had the classic now the compact idk if I'll get a cyborg I really love the compact
Thanks for the vid. Right now I'm playing Star Citizen & Cyberpunk with Xbox controller in my left hand & mouse in my right. I'm hoping this will be a good option to replace the controller.
Insane colors !!! Thanks you
great review
how to get such colorfull device? on the shop site their is only black with the key colored
Going from console to pc I'm having a hard time grasping the keyboard side of fps games, could this be a viable option? Just thinking as I'm used to joystick for movement
Depends what your goals are, I play most of My pc games with a wireless controller. However joysticks will never come close to the accuracy and speed of a mouse so if your playing a competitive online game I'd just suck it up and learn how to use a mouse. For instance I was in the same boat as you a few years ago, I had just got my first pc and downloaded overwatch. I'm not exaggerating when I say I could barely move and aim at the same time it was so bad It would take all my focus just to walk around and look at things slowly. 2 years later I was masters in overwatch doing 360 headshots on widow ect. I'd say by the end of 2 months you will have decent mouse control. Cheers
You will never go back. Though carefull with the screws they are cheap
Thanks for the review. How did you find the buttons were on your unit good or tight? Someone else said they had to adjust theirs so I'm curious. Watching all the Cyborg videos as I patiently wait for mine. Replacing a Logitech G13 so I'm excited to see how it compares.
Same thing I’m doing lol. I ordered it yesterday and won’t be seeing it until nov-dec :(. Looks worth the wait and I’m super pumped!
@@notblazedfordays9536 I plan on doing a Reddit review when I get and setup mine, especially compared to a G13 which is what the Cyborg is replacing for me. Hopefully we're both in for a treat I can't wait to get mine hopefully just a month left for me. 🤞
@@Reloaded44 so I actually just ordered the classic from Amazon. It will be here between oct8-14. Gonna take advantage of the 30day return policy through Amazon after 29 days…. That way I can kind of get accustomed to how the cyborg is going to be. Then I’ll just have to wait the extra month or so after I return the classic instead of waiting for 2-3 months for the cyborg.
@@notblazedfordays9536 alright that sounds like a plan! Good luck with it! 👍
In my experience the buttons were pretty responsive out of the box, the only one that became a problem was one of the tower buttons because I didn't realize you could adjust their resistance at first. Eventually figured out that I had accidentally over-tightened it and that was why I couldn't get a response out of it. Basically, don't adjust anything on the Cyborg unless you know what you're adjusting is the key take away here haha.
I think I read this review somewhere online the other day
How much was the import duty to the UK?
Could that "minor niggle" with key mapping be addressed via a programmable multi-button mmo mouse in conjunction with the cyborg?
It has macro’s. I’m not a big on my Azeron Classic but the work. I experience delay on my Cone/roof in Fortnite on my pinky key. So I set up a macro to pass the delay. The only negative is you can’t tap the macro key multiple times in a row because it stop working.
I’ve had my Azeron Classic going on 2 years now. I ordered the cyborg 2 months ago… It still hasn’t shipped yet…
@@C20F Mine still hasn’t shipped. I ordered 9/12/2021.
Can you only switch between two profiles (with the profile switch button) while in a game or can you set keybinds to switch between more than two profiles?
Only two profiles can be saved to the hardware memory, but you can save as many as like to the software. However, there's no way to dynamicaly swap between them as far as I know - if you keep it running in the backgreound, yuou can tab out and click which one to load in, but not as a keymap I don't think.
You can switch between the 2 on board in game
If you want to do something like this, getting Rewasd to set up the Azeron is your best bet. You can set it up to load profiles when a game loads, and also set up shift profiles within game that let you shift between profiles with a key press, along with a bunch of other cool tricks.
This vs Razer Tartarus Pro? My Razer Tartarus V2 has a few keys going bad after 4 years of heavy use. Looking at this to change things up. I had. Logitech G13 for several years also. I love it. As much as I like my Razer, the G13 was better. So yeah, where does this Azeron fit?
I feel like the Tartarus hardware with the G13 software would be the ideal. :P
This is the only thing that I have found viable as a replacement for the steelseries merc stealth keyboard.
my merc stealth is dying and I don't like the razer orb weaver, too much of a grid, lose my fingers, not enough buttons for WoW, joystick is in an uncomfortable position so I cant click the top row and use the joystick. good to know, I really wanna try one out as a replacement.
Good for carpal tunnel office work?
I have buggared up fingers and I am thinking of getting this to play Warcraft with. At the moment, I can only use five keys on the keyboard and I assign n those to macros. The rest I have to point and click with a mouse. Needless to say, I suck at the game.
Can the joystick be used in place of a mouse? Thinking accessibility- can only use one hand
Good idea. It's not a core feature of the product from Azerons software, but there are thrid party apps that turn any joystick into a mouse, yes: www.imgpresents.com/joy2mse/j2m.htm
how easy are the buttons below your finger to reach? and also the ones above your finger?
i have the original one and there easier then a keyboard
I mainly play minecraft java(pvp and casual) and I thought this would be interesting. The main problem I can think of is movement. I have seen someone play bedwars on java and they said that the joystick sucked because the wasd was too finicky. Is there a way to fix this?(like dead zones or something idk) If not, would it be cumbersome if I rebound the keys to just be wasd?
Can't you just allow standard joystick movement in minecraft, as if you had an Xbox controller?
@@MakeUseOf Java edition is wasd only so it sees w, a, s, d, wd, wa, ect. Which is fine but I have heard some people say that it is hard to move diagonally or backwards, which is necessary for combat, because the game sees most diagonals as just one key as opposed to two. Maybe this could be fixed with some kind of dead zone? Not sure if the software has that capability.
@@supertarc3993 You can adjust the dead zone in the software
Can you use two of them at once and can they be used as a mouse... so left side thumb as mouse and have tons of macros and map keys
yeah but it's not worth it at all
I can confirm that the name plates do look odd but i still love the fact that my gamer tag is on my device, just feels nice lol, but not as nice as using it, definitely an improvement from the original azeron
Yeah mine says azeron and even their own name has voids in the print. Still awesome though.
Can you map thumb movement to strafing instead of turning? because I'm going to be turning using mouse.
I have the azeron mini and the cyborg while they are definitely cool for some games. Fast paced FPS isn't the kind of games for this thing. The thumbstick is a hindrance even when using the restrictor ring. It takes waaaay to long to strafe back and forth or left or right with the thumbstick. Like literally feels like eons compared to just using the keyboard. For any other game tho? It is a great accessory
Using a software called Rewasd you can reduce the dead zone of the thumbstick whiche make strafing comparable to a controller player. There are apex streamer who exclusively play with the azeron or controller, so I'll say it work fine for FPS game.
Is linux software available?
I think it's good for people who want to switch from controller to keyboard but this makes the switch way easier and not trying to press the number keys or F keys!
How much this keybord???? $$$$$$
interesting device to be honest
Kinda wanna see how a fighting game would be setup for this
how ever you want really (set up*)
I must say that I disagree with quite a lot in this review. With that said, opinions is opinions and everyone has a right to their own. I was ranked 2nd in the world in Quake 1 DM and 2-time world champ in TDM, Super unicum in wot and played FPS games for longer then I wish to admit. I don't E-brag for the sake of it but more so as a response to the claim that this gives anyone a competitive edge in FPS if you are of high skill. This unit, I had them all btw, standard, compact and cyborg builds around the notion that movement should be done by your thumb on the stick. Something that is really compelling, on a reg KB your thumb mostly hover between jumps, now the same thumb can replace the movement of 3 fingers freeing them up to do other tasks. The problem is that the length (travel) of the stick movement slows down your side strafing, peaking and directional movment changes. If you strafe left and then want to strafe right you have to make use of the full movement of the stick, half of that movement you will keep traveling in the direction you want to switch from. On a KB your change is instantaneous because your finger already rests on the button you need to push. Now I really want this to be as good as you claim, that's the reason I keep buying them. But so far none of the probably dozen keypads I bought can compete with a good compact gaming keyboard. I have a couple thousand hours in ESO, and that's a completely different story, love this for that game. You don't need those extra milliseconds in those kind of games and then it makes much more sense.
Can't argue with those credentials - thanks for the input!
@@MakeUseOf Of course you should argue regardless of the credentials if you don't agree, the last thing I meant was to gatekeep. The video was great btw.
Agreed, I’m not even sure a game pad is ideal for MMOs at the highest level. I play Guild Wars 2 pvp, and in my experience, it depends on your class whether easier access to abilities is worth giving up crisp movement. Makes absolutely no sense for an FPS, unless you bind the movement keys to buttons, and use your thumb for something else.
Adding a restrictor ring and a very close deadzones eliminates nearly if not all joystick travel distance, Making movement as or more responsive as a keyboard. Not to mention things like carpal tunnel are nearly impossible with this device. Don't mean to sound like a shill but is a great product indeed. Feels like playing the piano :)
What's the keypad like using WASD on the finger switches and not using the joystick? from what i can tell they are more like mouse clicks rather than key presses, so less travel and increased response?
Looking for a comment from someone who bought a cyborg. I have the compact and want to get the cyborg but I’m wary of the new thumbstick mount and the new finger palm buttons
I have an original Azeron and used it for about a year before getting the Cyborg. I'm pushing 60 years old so if I can adjust to the Cyborg anybody can. The thumb stick is not an issue but I did "turn off" the palm keys for my pinky and ring finger because I would hit them bmistake. The cyborg is worth every penny to me because without it I couldn't continue gaming.
I never tried the classic or compact, but looking at the button layout I think I strongly prefer the cyborg. Being able to tilt the towers is really really nice. My hand if I go as naturally as I want sits at a bit of an angle on the keyboard, so being able to tilt the towers let them match my fingers. Positioning the joystick also looks much more configurable on the cyborg than the previous models. As to the third layer of buttons the only one I find a little awkward for my particular hand is the pinky button, as my pinky rests slightly on the closest button while it is down in the well of the tower. In learning it I've had mis clicks but I think that's more getting used to the sensitivity of the keyboard than anything else. Learning to be lighter with my presses I think actually helps ergonomically in the long run. From what I have read about the previous models I do think the cyborg is an upgrade and I'm happy I got it when I finally decided to splurge on an Azeron after eyeing them for a few years. I happened to luck out and the cyborg came out while I was waiting for my new credit card without foreign transaction fees. Otherwise I would have ordered one of the previous models rather than pre-ordering the cyborg. So I'm happy it worked out the way it did.
i immediately ordered one of these, but i have a feeling i wont get analog strafing in destiny 2
Hey I’m thinking of getting this and mainly play destiny. How’s your experience been?
@@obeysyn6575 not good really, recommend Razer Tartarus pro
@@Zero_8347 what about it is not enjoyable? Cause I’m coming from keyboard this just seemed more comfortable and intuitive for PC gaming.
I think the switches are too light, and it's hard for me to relax my hand without accidentally pressing the buttons. Also I was having issues with most games not being able to register analog inputs and keyboard inputs at the same time. So I ended up having to map the thumb stick as WASD instead of Left Stick (gamepad analog).
@@obeysyn6575 I feel like I would have to have one in each hand and use only Xbox inputs to fully enjoy it.
Man I'd love to see somone type o that keyboard....
That's a whole lot of money for a 3d printed device. I would expect for that money the printing would be perfect and not missing layers like your logo had.
I have had my Azeron Classic for almost 2 years now. I ordered the Cyborg 2 months ago. No joke Azeron hand makes all of their devices. No machine is putting these devices together.
i noticed that!!! very unprofessional!!!
I have one and it’s worked perfect for me. Has not broken in a year but my first one fell a couple times and on the last fall a arm broke off but I had insurance thru Amazon And got another
I need to know right now, does this software support linux?
No linux or Mac support. It is for gaming after all, not a general purpose keyboard.
@@MakeUseOf but the future of gaming is on Linux
Screw it. I'll wine the software if i have to
Steamdeck is going to push that forward a fair bit, I agree. And eventually, maybe? But every year for the last twenty has been "the year of the linux desktop", and I'm still waiting, and there's still fifty more distros than there was the year before.
Just ordered mine today.
👴 ordered mine almost 2 months ago.. still hasn't arrived.
@@Brakka86 yea. On the site it says I wont get mine until Dec or mid Jan. I was like damn. Lol
@@CMTheHollow Yeah.. they are swamped, but expanding production to a new facility. I knew it will take long when I bought.
@@Brakka86 Thats understandable. As long as thier Quality Assurance department is great and everything works.
I ordered mine on 9/13. I sent Azeron an email today. Azeron has extremely good customer service. I basically said “can I get a update?” “Should I cancel?”. “In the states shipping is going to get really bad within the next two weeks. I don’t want to wait until next year to get a device I ordered 2 months ago”. I just want a update because I know Azeron hand makes all their devices. No machine is putting these keypads together. Make sure buy a soldering iron because you will fixing anything that goes wrong with it yourself.
Need to make mk1 models The cyrax & The sektor 😂
Just remember that return to Latvia cost 350$ in Canada.
If this thing gets mainstream and mass-produced by injection-molded parts it should become ubiquitous in gamer setups. Not only that but in the spirit of this version the company could offer tons of customization options (perhaps not the nameplate).
try to count how many times he say "having said that" :P
Type with one hand?? naw... Ima just get two of them! xD I'ma try it
can you make macros?
Yes!
My whole question is "What is the point if I STILL need to use another hand on the mouse?" I'm a one handed gamer and the idea of the Azeron sound great, but I heard its a nightmare to set up, that the keys die quickly, AND to boot you STILL need to use a mouse. Not to mention, that mapping is a nightmare. AS it stands I can use my mini keyboard and trackball mouse quickly back and forth with one hand, but I couldn't do that with cyborg. I am baffled why ...with 26 keys that you can't wasd 4 keys and mouse thumb stick.
You can use JoyToKey to map any joystick to mouse control. joytokey.net/en/download They also promised to add mouse joystick mode in the software, so maybe reach out to them if you can't find that, might need a beta version.
@@MakeUseOf I don't know why but it never donned on me to simply get ahold of them and explain what i want/need. I'm gonna shoot them an email and I'll let you know if anything ever comes of it.
They released the one handed Azeron cyro exactly for people with your disabillities. You should check it out.
I wanna play mechwarrior or Elite with two of them.
So ka! Those two games were the exact reason I got my cyborg. I don't know if I would want one on each hand though. There are akimbo Azeron users, but I think it takes an awful lot of getting used to for those of us not blessed with ambidexterity.
Logitech G13 which is not available any more ( sadly) is the best game pad. Had mine for like 15 years. Nothing has as many macros. If you can find one get it. No gamepad can beat it.
Mate i just looked for it and found like 250 of these to sell for 70-90€.
@@DripzEU823 grats if you did. Not so many in canada specially that cheap. Buy one! you wont regret it. If you can get it Get it.
What about another one and get rid of the mouse
At that point, you might as well just use an Xbox controller. The attraction here is combining joystick movement, keyboard button access, and precision mouse aiming.
Interesting idea but if you’re using it for shooters using a mouse is a big advantage. I like the idea though.
I would have done this for the review but it was a bit too close to the way Flight of the Navigator worked so I was afraid of being sued by Disney.
I would have liked to see more of the keypad in action, instead of gaming footage...
The name plate is hand done not machine
No, it's 3D printed, like the rest of the device.
@@MakeUseOf thought I read it was hand done and they were limited on the ability to do some stuff
Update This is the literal text on there site Since these are hand modelled for everyone individually, This will not be represented in the 3D model on the side. Sorry :(
ah damn, just a keyboard. I was hoping it was some type of controller that allows you to grab stuff in games
You'll want some VR controllers for that kind of thing...
I hope it can be worn left and right. Totality to move will make it easier for players to move the game character
yeah supposedly you can order a left hand or right hand version. or both lol
10:33 What is tilt key? tilde? is it the ~ next to enter or § under esc? Maybe it is the ~ under Your esc? What is the point of this? I don't get it. Non important Ramble: 10:19 "..Having said that. LOTS has 72 different quick slots, so you wont be fitting all of them on, at least without ...." So just like keyboard in any other MMORPG game that is bit older than like WoW, FFXIV or Anarcy-Online? Short version: Keyboard you usually have only 13 keys around WASD which you use with Shift and Ctrl you make it to be 39. Azuron makes is easier to map Alt to pinkie while normally it is so off the place you wont use it while having 13 keys just for your index, middle and ring fingers.... that is ez 52 keys if you combine this magic ... Tell me how you are gonna keep holding W while also pressing other keys besid Q E R F V C X Z 12345 ? Stupid things: I used to hold WASD with my pinkie while having my other fingers in 3 4 5 7 (Thump was 6 to 9, Index is 5, middle finger 4 and ring finger is 3) they keyboard was tilted around 45 degress so my hand rested well. I also got G600 mouse to keybind Shift for my right hands ring finger which allowed me to use 1 trough 9 +0 and double my keybindings ... World of Warcraft in combat you never needed more than max 20 keybindings ... Warlock and Mage 1 ability rotations :^) now days if I used the same grip rotating the keyboard so my hand rest normally having pinkie on W the keys would be W 3 4 5 J ... This is because my hand is bigger and K is the most relaxed position. This would allow me to map keys around J key and using G600 I can double the keys for MMORPG ... OR as I did, I have ordered the Azeron Cyborg :D much simpler idea.
I would categorize everything you said under stupid things. Everything except that you ordered one
@@notblazedfordays9536 I agree, most I said are just stupid things. I would say it was even stupid to order this with so little knowledge on my part ^_^ But I'm willing to take the 300€ risk of getting BS, would not be the first time xD I'm super interested how this would work with Left and Right handed versions :D for some mech game or something.
@@xezzee 😂 I ordered one too. Just made the switch to PC from shitty Xbox series x. I bought a 3g PC that will be here in less than a week. Figured what’s another 200$. Not trying to learn WASD and how to hit buttons around those keys. I can type perfectly fine… gaming on keyboard would b new and the azeron looks bad ass! 😆
@@notblazedfordays9536 I usually write blindly using the 10 (9?) finger style and I'm used to using WASD.... it will be interesting to transistion to thumbstick :D looking forwards that. I do know that in FPS games like CS GO and Overwatch the performance will be lesser using thumbstick but that is ok. I'm also used to using all kind of control schemes like Steering wheel, controller, keyboard, some weird numpad thingis for one hand and much more like HTC Vive and Oculus Rift :D I bet it will take longer for me to setup the keybindings as I want than to learn to use it. Logitech G600 has 12 macro buttons for Thump and extra key for right hand ring finger
@@xezzee yea I dabbled with mouse and keyboard for a week but the first PC I got had a bad cpu that got too hot and throttled sooner than it should have. I’m digging my Logitech g502. I like that the scroll wheel can click left and right, that I can bind the dpi up and down buttons, as well as the snipe mode button. I mostly play fortnite so having that third thumb button is huge and I like right and left clicking scroll wheel for lesser important inventory items. Mouse was easy to get used to… can’t say the same about keyboard for gaming. So figured I’d give the cyborg a try as I don’t like having to use 3 fingers for movement
for that money i'll just buy a fancy costum mechanical keyboard lol ...
why not both?
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Everytime someone reviews this thing they never actually play with it lol must be hard as hell to use
its 3d printed parts
Yes; I mean, they're not trying to hide that. It's printed on demand in cusomtizable colors, and you can get your own name made for the side of it. That simply wouldn't be possible with traditional manufacturing.
$252 US. glow in the dark! It's Amazing! Try one for each hand and throw the mouse away! Muahahaha
This was not a review.
ok you dont demonstrated how to write with that 220$ device and played a poor game with only 8 key remaped
Write? This isn't literally a keyboard, it's a gaming controller, or shortcut keys. Not to replace your keyboard entirely for every UI interaction ever.
@@MakeUseOf not sure if the number of key is enought but with some skills it seem possible to write so i wonder if it can be an advantage or just another fail gadget
I don't think the effort required to relearn the location of.. 96 keys(?) would be worth it!
@@MakeUseOf if their is a speed or easyness gain all is worth if not their is no point to buy it for 220$
@@omnianti0 its not made for writing? Why would you compare it to a KEYBOARD to test if its an advantage? And why is it not worth buying when it gives no advantage at something it isnt made for?