Batman Does Not Kill. I wanted to make this Batman Video Essay an important one. Consider this an actual short film by HiTop Films. Maybe I will start making one or two of these longer videos a month. Maybe I will do an entire video on Zack Snyder. This is kinda the sequel to Batman (1989) is a Bad Batman Movie, so if you haven't watched that video. Consider it. Thank you KZhead algorithm for noticing me, and thank you guys who actually read the description.
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That is one of your best videos!
Excellent video & points. I agree how it was stupid In Batman v Superman how Batman killed more then 15+ people.
I know you only really do videos on superhero movies but I would like to see you do something on the Netflix show end of the fucking world I loved the show and it explores some interesting questions and its only like 2 hours long
Alex, I want to thank you for explaining the MARTHA SCENE, Yes that scene you interpreted contradicts the very fact that Batman in BVS killed lot of people, but holy shit, I'm one of those people who made fun of these, you shared this info. Noe I somewhat realize Zach did add something good, funny thing is that that scene is in the wrong movie.
“Can you imagine your Batman comforting a scared child? If yes, congratulations, that’s a genuine Batman! If no, you haven’t written Batman, you’ve just written Punisher in a funny hat.” - Red, Overly Sarcastic Productions
CraftySam Netflix punisher would probs comfort some scared kids. Netflix punisher is great
Hey, can you tell me the video where she said that? I'm legitimately curious.
@@batshineman174 Red said that in the Trope Talk about Realism at about the three minute mark.
@@TheCraftySam Thank you. 👍
JigglyUnicorns yeah. Season 1 and some of season 2 punisher is my favorite depiction of him. Granted I can’t stand him in any over version. Because there is an actual reason/justification for any and everyone he kills in the nexflix series. Season 2’s ending is the punisher I hate. Some a-hole with automatics gunning down dumb kids who need guidance not a grave.
"I love Batman. I love Batman too much. I love Batman so much that it's definitely an unhealthy obsession." Are you dressed in a purple suit and have a fashionable green hair by any coincidence?
Haha!!
Maybe
N.n.noooooo... Whyy r u asking :)
He copied MY STYLE
You and me both, dude.
“Batman does not make the easy choice.” I dunno why but that line hit my heart real hard
BATMAN DOES NOT KILL
It's what being a good man is
maybe you had a heart attack
Killing is not easy
@@IronheartvsMiles EXCEPT ALL THE TIMES WHEN HE DOES
I remember the beginning of Batman Beyond was compelling because of this. He was so old his heart gave out and he needed to use a gun to get out alive. As a young kid at the time, it freaked me out. It is only at that moment that he decided to hang up the cowl.
“Never again.”
I remember this too. Good example. It freaked me out too but I loved how it made sense to explain how terry took the suit
Honestly would’ve been better if he just resorted to lethal with his normal kit, in the Arkham games if he used those blades or snapped some necks as many times as he knocked someone out with a ton of punches the game would be much more face paced Hell, imagine if the batarangs were all designed to kill? The freeze grenade? The gel? Etc (although not the same Batman lol) Batman, even while old, resorting to a lethal fighting style without the gadgets and just his suit… I’d imagine he’d be make insanely quick work of everybody.
@@mansgotplans Sadly that misses the point. Having Bruce almost use the same kinda weapon that killed his parents has a far greater effect. It’s not about his gadgets. It’s about Bruce and his trauma
@@animationdude9 Yeah sure, a traumatized overgrown child Who does not kill because he's enjoying himself with all the bone-cracking... Quite borderline I'd say
Thats what joker is obsessed abt batman. Joker want to see him break his rule.
Tell joker just watch the movie
@@candraningtyas2260 English?
I thought it explained in the story the war of jokes and riddles that the main reason the joker is infatuated with batman Is that batman is a giant joke. And its just fun to push the mans buttons and see him respond
TheFatPotato that is English
@@thesatelliteslickers907 joker push's batman's buttons to see if he can get him to respond with murder.
I remember reading that Batman learned all the best ways to kill someone so that he could avoid them. That is the true essence of Batman
Do you remember where you read that? I'd love to take a look at it.
@@dylang1138 I believe it was David Cain who trained him in it but I am not sure of what comic
"I know 6 ways to end this fight; 3 kill, 2 disarm with minimal contact, and the last one hurts!" The Batman. You can guess which one he chooses.
@@Fifthmiracle Is that from the Dark Knight Returns?
Yes that is true
“It’s easy to kill, Batman does not make the easy choice” that’s the best line in the video bar none
I guess the person that flipped the switch on Ted Bundy's electric chair is a despicable human being and another murder in the world huh? That person also went onto become a serial killer after flipping the switch on Bundy's electric chair
No, he just makes the stupid selfish one.
@@Powerhaus88 I'd also argue that he's hypocritical too. No killing, but breaking bones' fine?
@@Powerhaus88 kid you need to read the Batman who laughs comics 💀
@@edoardocastelnovi7154 causing a trauma works like an antidote that reminds a criminal, he needs to be changed. Ever heard of plastic man? If not go read it
Putting good men in extremely difficult circumstances, and watching them somehow preserve their soul - despite their flaws - makes for great storytelling. EDIT: A lot of moral arguments in the commments, but I'm referring to storytelling in general. Bottom line: Killing would be a violation of Batman's conscious. Thats his conviction - without it - he is far less unique and interesting.
this... this right here is my exact thought process for my story I'm in the works of.
When preserving your soul means letting innocent people die then you are not a good man.
@@JDoe-gf5oz No... I see a different meaning. Killing a life, to save a life... doesn't make you a villain. Your hands are tainted, but your soul only becomes tainted if you choose killing as your first option. It is a last resort that is never to be considered until everything else has failed. Some foes... can't be reasoned with, it is not wrong to fight or kill for the sake of protecting the lives of others. Your soul only becomes tainted if you let yourself enjoy taking the life of another, even if they were a monster incapable of redemption. Look at Superman vs Zod in Man of Steel. He killed Zod, saving people's lives, but he didn't rejoice over his death, his soul remained pure for the mere fact that he felt guilt for taking a life.
@@JDoe-gf5ozIt isn’t Batman’s responsibility to kill villains, that is the work of the Justice system. Bruce cannot be Judge, Jury and Executioner, then you’d be demonizing him for that. He takes on the role as protector of the innocent, minimizing the harm the villains cause. It is the role of the government to decide what their fate is when they’re caught. It is not Batman’s fault they are corrupt, and even a billionaire can only do so much to actually fix what’s broken. He is already despised by many, imagine how many more would hate him if he took it out of the hands of the police?
That's the point of a lot of Batman villains.
The funniest thing is that in the DCEU he lets the Joker and Harley Quinn, actual supervillains, live, but he murders hired thugs who are much easier to rehabilitate.
It's worst part about his portrayal in the DCEU. It doesn't make sense for Batman to have snapped and become a killer if the Joker is still alive.
and in the Arkham games too, but Batman fans live in a echo chamber of false morality and have convinced themselves IF HE DOESN'T KILL, THEN THEY DID HIM RIGHT, kinda like how All Star Batman made Dick Grayson eat rats and shit also he says Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller didn't kill but he literally killed the Joker la mao.
@@bulletchains8205 Batman doesn’t kill in the Arkham games Bruh.
@@bulletchains8205 Lmao he literally tells the Joker "even after everything you've done, I would've saved you." at the end of Arkham city and he only goes ham on enemies that are almost impossible to kill (Solomon Grundy, Clayface) and those who can resurrect themselves (Ra's Al Ghul).
@@angel_aeon he literally bashes people's heads off concrete how are they alive yo
"You want to know something funny? Even after everything you've done, I still would have saved you" "That's... Pretty funny"
@@ryanli8371 And that's EXACTLY why Arkham city's Batman is so good. The game would be over in two seconds if Batman killed. In Asylum, joker literally offers himself to be killed multiple times, and Batman always refuses. And even in the end, after hundreds of dead people and am entire city in danger, he still would have saved him. And then there's Affleck Batman, that kills without mercy. That's not Batman. That's the Punisher.
@@ryanli8371 So he doesn't kill Superman and then he goes out on a killing spree blowing people up? Honestly, I think it's just bad writing. Also because Snyder said he was inspired mainly by the Dark knight returns, except Batman never kills there.
@@thebatman1482 Yeah, they say they took inspiration from Dark Knight Returns, yet it was all different lol. The only similarity was Batman vs Superman in a fight. The animated movie was how it should be. Though a female Robin was weird lol.
@@thebatman1482 also its interesting to point out how joker only works cause of batman's no killing rule. yes the joker is quite dangerous and is really smart, but batman is smarter and is always physically superior to him. joker is interesting to challenge batman;'s no killing policy. he really should be killed. there is no redemption. but that's batman flaw. its his strength as well. he can't kill anyone, not even someone as morally repugnant as joker.
@@aryan7767 That's his advantage. That's the only weakness he uses to fuck with Batman. He always offers himself to be killed and that would solve everything, but Batman can't do it and everytime it ends up with dozens of people killed. That's the beauty of it. The fact that Affleck still hasn't killed him is a plothole.
"All the people I've murdered by letting you live." "I never kept count." "I did." "And I love you for it." Goosebumps.
That’s why heroes like Batman and Spider Man are such good heroes
Same with captain America
Batman is a villain responsible for the death and suffering his boyfriend the joker has caused.
@@AmanKumar-ty8kc To be honest that is the ONLY reason why I have a problem with his "NO KILLING" rule, I mean fine don't kill him but at the least paralyze him or break his bones or something(to the point where he can't do shit). simple🤷♂
@@goldj6471He lets him die, which will happen sooner or later due to his own plans to break Batman, but he does NOT pull the trigger
@@goldj6471like every common thug in the arkham games basically
"If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world stays the same"- Batman. "That's why you kill a bunch" -Punisher
😂😂 This made my day
Okay but if you kill like a hundred killers, then it goes down by like 99 lol
But the remaining killer is a better killer more likely to kill so the amount of killing is more or less the same. In fact if kill a bunch, there would probably be bunch of friends and family members which might increase the number... That's why the right thing to do for reducing number of killers is to burn the world down.
@@GnosticLucifer A better killer of killers, so it kind of evens out.
@@xaero5150 ohhh, I didn't realize that cause I put myself in there and I'm more like the people who relate to the characters who just love killing after their first kill... Majo no tabitabi episode 9 still haunts me AND makes me feel exited! It's on youtube, go scar your soul!
Batman not killing also adds a lot to his skill, because that means he is never really fighting all out.
in his line of work killing will make it so much easier..this defines his skills in combat and strategy
Thats why in the dark multiverse the grim knight (a version of batman that does kill) is weaker and less skilled
It takes more to pull your punches than to fully follow through. Especially in rapid succession.
I've read somewhere that Bruce purposely learned some assassin and killing techniques, but doesn't actually use them, but instead uses that to know what not to do something that could kill someone.
@@sketchydude8431 He learned them from David Cain a villain in his training before he became batman and he still hasn't used them
A lot of people don’t realize the exact reason why he doesn’t kill. It’s not really to stop himself from being like the criminals he stops. Batman is hyper aware of his mental state. He knows that he is insane and if he lets himself slip even for a moment then he would turn out the same way superman did in the injustice story. It would never end. So he can’t kill no matter how good of a reason. Cause once he starts he won’t ever stop.
Best take
Batman refuses to kill criminals because he doesn’t want to be anything like Joe Chill- his parents murderer. If he killed he would be even more haunted by his parents death knowing he is a killer just like Joe Chill. Batman wants to be nothing like Joe Chill or any other criminal worse than Joe Chill.
Okay. But no. The problem with Injustice was never that Superman killed. Which is something a lot of Injustice fans (and Injustice 2 itself) seems to not realize. The problem with what Superman does in Injustice is that he and a bunch of his super powered friends decide to establish a totalitarian regime that forces the entire world into subjugation. The issue with Injustice is the exact same as the issue with the storylines where Superman is a Nazi or a Communist. Superman's propensity to kill people who quite frankly should've been legally executed by their world's government is irrelevant.
What Batman are you even talking about? That's pretty specific and doesn't match many of the versions we've seen over the years, especially the tv and movie versions.
@@JDoe-gf5oz ngl i dont remember. i just vaguely remember that being the main reason he doesnt kill.
8:30 Holy shit, when you recontextualized the Batman v Superman Martha, it hit so deep. Holy shit. Just by making the characters true to themselves, you didn’t even have to change the scene.
It makes you think, maybe there was somebody in the writers' room who had a clue, but then it just got buried in all the movie's bullshit.
Seriously! It made the tension and weight of the scene bring a tear to my eye. The impact of, “you’re not even a man!” Juxtaposed with having a mother makes the whole scene actually make sense. If the movie had been laying the groundwork for Batman to not kill and be a good guy like he always had been, suddenly that choice to kill Superman becomes significantly more impactful and heavy.
because you just want these characters to live in a vacuum
@@jessicapinkman-hd4bw yeah, no kidding. My favorite version of Wolverine has no claws, no adamantium, doesn't smoke cigars, and isn't a smartass. He's just a "different take on the character." Has nothing to do with the character, but because people who know nothing about the source material say he's the same guy, it must be true, right?
@@jessicapinkman-hd4bw wdym
Title Batman Does NOT Kill Me: Say that to all the goons I've killed in the Lego Batman games.
They just reasemble after a couple of hours
Technically u break their legs and arms but doctors just put em back
Lego games were low-key gore bro.
@@Hybrid225 Haha yes. And I'm pretty sure they're all just clones.
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Argument between batman and wonder woman about Robin being a crime fighter at the age of 9 Batman: Robin needed to help bring the men who murdered his family to justice. Wonder woman: so that he could turn out like you? Batman : so that he wouldn't.
This is what defines batman
Young justice is sooo good
i think bruce doesnt want anyone in the bat family to become "batman"
@@nolawnoorder384 it's not about the title of the "batman" its about what Bruce went through and what he saw in that alley. He wants nobody to experience what he did and that is what makes him a hero
@@jackchapelle4133 agreed
The scene in Iron Man you showed works for Tony's character because he specifically targeted the terrorists in the least destructive way he could. He was blowing shit up, sending people flying, but the moment doing that would put an innocent in harms way, he switches to the homing weapon and they just silently drop at the same time, leaving the civilians unharmed, because he WAS that civilian, he doesn't want to hurt people that suffered and are suffering like he suffered, he wants to hurt the people causing it. With the Batman v Superman scene, not only does it fly in the face of the No Kill Rule, it also endangers anybody who might be around. He uses a fucking minigun to set a van on fire and then runs it over, blowing it up in the process. Where did the bullets go? Where did the shrapnel go? Probably a bystander who couldn't get away while this was happening. That batman isn't a hero, that batman is the worst kind of vigilante: A man who not only flies in the face of the law, but endangers the innocents he supposedly protects through his attempts to keep them safe. Setting off a pipe bomb in the mailbox of the local pedophile is going to hurt the neighbors as well.
That Batman would had been one of the "heroes" that Superman has to save people from in Kingdom Come
Well said. Like, the whole reason Batman is interesting is that he constantly lives in darkness, he even dresses himself in it, his iconography is defined by it, but despite this he is one of the most unrelenting champions of the light. This contradiction is what lets him jump from being a good character to being a great one.
Im my opinion batman shouldnt kill without hesitation like tim burtons batman(still they are my favorite batman movies)but should kill if he has no other choice,there a ton of batman stories like that and in my opinion they work better than most.writing a pascifist Batman is too hard.
@@user-jj5pm4xo6n Arkham Batman.
While Superman shines light on the things that lurk in the dark, Batman works behind those things and pushes them into the light. That's one thing that makes them such a great pair.
Remember, Batman will never kill you. He’ll just make you wish you were dead.
It's true, Batman pulled out the Bat card, and I wanted to shoot myself!
batman doesn't kill..... but alive is a very broad term.
Facts
Jokes on him I want to die anyways
Swivel Shivel He just breaks every bone in the bodies of the people he fightss
Batman has a “no kill” rule but he does have a “beat them into a medically induced coma for the rest of their life” rule
You seriously commented this and The Batman trailer drops 1 hour later with him beating someone so hard to induced coma
@@letwen THE BATMAN TRAILER DROPPED WHAT THE
@@letwen hahaha well this is a movie of young batman
He breaks their bones and then says, “now talk.”
the movie is based on his first 2 years as batman HE HAVENT IMPLYED THIS RULE YET YOU DUMBASSES
I never thought about the scene in BvS like you explained. This video was honestly a masterpiece and that's why batman is the best superhero ever.
...That movie was pure garbage, he made the scene better, but it wasn't intended by the producers.
@@gshepherd6141 The movie wasn't "pure garbage", cinematically it was EXTREMELY well done and beautifully well shot and acted (ex lex luthor), it's just that the script was really REALLY bad for rushing SO much iconic plot lines right off the bat and mischaracterizing some characters.
by the way, if batman does kill he'd use a gun, He wouldn't be traumatized by a gun because that would be definition of a coward which batman isn't. He'd snipe every criminal out there and there would be 0 left making his life easier and able to focus on all threats of earth 100%. But then no one would trust him.@@Gadget-Walkmen
@@gshepherd6141 cry us a river ironman fan
the movie was very good, unfortunately tho, he kills people in that movie, which is probably why i barely remember any of zack snyders movies
Perfectly put. If there can’t be redemption from pain then there is no hope for Bruce, or anyone really. That’s why most of his villains are mentally ill and in their own way victims themselves of other injustice. If Batman killed them it would basically be proving that the status quo where parents get shot in cold blood and pain only creates more pain. He dives into the darkness in the hopes of pull people out of it. Love your work.
So he doesn’t kill people because he wants his parents dead?
Bro is like naruto 💀
Thats why I think there should be a comic where Batman actually does save the villains from insanity. Run the message straight through our brains. It would be a great end for Batman’s story. But that’ll never happen because reasons.
@@Data-Expungeded I think Batman the Animated series probably did it best. He would visit people in their cells, try to save them from self inflicted “fall into the pit” deaths, and the way he calls most villains by their actual names when talking to them, god I miss Conroy.
@@Data-ExpungededThe think about helping others IS there IS a limit of How much You can help then, but They can only be saved with They thenselfs have The Will to continue and never relapse.
"All the people I've murdered, by letting you live..." "I never kept count" "I did" "I know, and I love you for it" The best exchange between Batman and Joker in all of DC imo
Batman? Darling.
The Killing Joke's ending is better IMO.
@@tgkthebawse the joke at the end lowkey isn't even funny
@@karmicpiper1358 it's not supposed to be it's supposed to be symbolism for there situation
That first line is probably my favorite Batman quote. To me at least, it illustrates the guilt and devastation of letting Joker live all those years, only for him to repeatedly escape and kill innocents. Imagine that crushing feeling of repeatedly putting Joker and other psychos in a cell for all those years; but only to realize you made virtually no positive impact on Gotham, while crime & murder is still rampant and all that work was for nothing. By letting Joker live all those years due to Batman’s self-righteous moralist “no kill policy”, Batman is just as much responsible as for the demise of many innocent lives as Joker. His no kill policy actually killed more innocents than if he killed one villain, thus preventing the demise of many innocents.
"If you can't see your Batman comfort a child, you didn't write Batman, you just wrote Punisher in a silly hat" same goes for killing. It's his humanity that makes him special. Without it, he's just a crazy guy in a cape
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Well said man, well said! 👏
Thanks Red from OSP
The real important thing is not the not killing rule, but the not killing JOKER rule. No Batman has ever killed a Joker, wether that be from sheer will power, or because that’s your fucking wife. And you may say that The Batman Who Laughed proves the rule wrong, but when you think about it, that Joker never really died. He just lived on through Bruce’s body, carrying out his sadistic dreams, with nobody to stop him. And Batman knew this was a possibility, but was to blinded with rage to realize. And think about it: whenever a Joker died, Batman is the one who always carries the guilt, even when the Joker kills himself.
Exactly like what Batman did to Ace in Justice league unlimited. If your Batman can't do that, he isn't Batman
Love when you gotta explain basic fundamentals about a comic book character to people who have only seen the movie version of that character. And a bad movie version at that
I think you can tell a compelling story where Batman kills but to do so you have to earn it. Not killing is one of the fundamental pillars of his character so its very hard to tell a story that breaks that rule unless the story is ABOUT him breaking that rule.
The only time in canon where batman has tried to kill someone was in final crisis. Where batman shot darkseid ( the literal god of evil). He shot him with the only metal capable of killing him and preventing him from destroying the earth. In his own words batman says ' i made a promise a long time ago to never take a life. No matter what. But if there was ever a time to make the one and only exception. That time is now. With you.' The funny thing is that batman shooting darkseid wasn't even enough to kill darkseid. Superman was the one to do it and darkseid still remained as a concept only to be revived a few years later. So , yeah.
@@tommychantzis6296 Lol, you guys do know that Batman had a gun when he first appeared and killed people?
@@hoya1178 Yeah , but literaly after the first year of his existance he never killed again. You see , characters can evolve from when they are first created. For example , batman in his first apearance had a small red car as his vehicle.
@@tommychantzis6296 He changed because of the censors at the time, comics as a whole were getting blamed for violence in USA and all the comics became more family friendly Also he has killed again in the comics, also he kills all the time in the movies and especially Burton's Batman who does it casually with a smile
@@hoya1178 He doesn't kill "all the time" in the movies. Be only fid it in the first 2 tim burton movies amd in batman v superman. Those are considered exveptions to the rule. Also , in the comics literaly any time he "kills" someone it is either by complete accident , the vilain causimg their own deaths or an slternate universe batman. The only exceotion to that was him trying to kill darkseid. But darkseid was going to destroy earth , so we can excuse that. Finaly , he didn'tstop killing because of censors. The censorcip haplened in the silver age. Batman stopped killing in 1940 , when he got robin. That was 1 year after he was created in 1939. 1940 was in the goldrn age. Well before the censorship. Lest i remind you of captain america. Yet again what we have here is another uninformed " batman should kill" supporter.
“Scum, maybe, but even scum have families”- Batman: Year One by Frank Miller & David Mazzucchelli, 1987
Damn right
The animated movie was so good.
what if their nobody orphans?
LudicrousKid Didn’t think of that... probably got kids or, like an uncle or something... mates at least
Remember that time batman locked KG Beast down in a sewer and left him to starve? Or basically was cool with Jim shooting the joker? Oh no you don't because your dumbass doesn't read comics.
"it's easy to kill, Batman does not make the easy choice" flashbacks to playing Dishonored.
Underrated comment is underrated.
Just finished playing the first Dishonored a couple of months ago on low chaos. Great game. Tried high chaos for shits and giggles a few weeks back and when it came to the last part of the game where Simon told me that he hated me I couldn't take it and stopped the playthrough lol
I read that as soon as you said that lol
I love dishonored
Too bad the second one is so hard it's retarded
I've never been to comics, but Batman was always a fascinating character to me. Ever since I started watching the Justice League cartoon as a child, Batman's became a very important figure to me for some reason I'll never quite understand. I love how he's such a symbol of fear, of darkness, yet he's not 'edgy'. Batman's always been an amazing subversion of a dark character in the most 'conservative' way. He simply does not kill, and he is a GOOD human being. I love him. Anyway, this video made me emotional.
Batman: “NO KILLING!” Golden Age Batman: “NO SURVIVORS!”
This is precisely why I don't agree, like, or even entertain the idea the Iron Man is marvel's Batman. NO! The closest Marvel has ever come to a Batman character is Daredevil.
Yeah but Daredevil is kind of something inbetween of Batman and Spider-Man. He doesn't have crazy powers like Spider-Man but he also doesn't work without any powers at all. He has more subtle powers. He is not rich, but he is also not a poor student either. He is a lawyer. And he is fighting street-level crime like Batman and Spider-Man.
U do kno he’s not comparing the two right🤨
Iron Man is literally the opposite of Batman in every way except they're both rich
@@JJSogaard well my comparison was strictly the hero itself. Tony Stark is Marvel's Bruce Wayne, BUT Iron Man is NOT Marvel's Batman. Separating the the hero persona from the person. The Hero Daredevil is more so the Marvel Batman than Ironman. Yes Daredevil has super Blindness lol but at the heros core, Batman doesn't kill, Daredevil doesn't kill. Batman relies on military gear and armor, Daredevil relies on something similar. They're not exactly the same, but they're more similar than Batman and Ironman.
Orry Maine. I agree completely. I use Marvel Unlimited to read comics (which I am still a newb at) and I prefer Marvel over DC. But my favorite hero overall is Batman. Since every Batman comic I read has to be bought separately, I was looking for a Marvel character that would scratch my Batman-itch. I like Daredevil because he has a lot of the characteristics that make me enjoy Batman (e.g. the detective aspect). So he has a lot of similarities to Batman in crucial areas but is still very much his own character and not just a Batman ripoff. And then he also is more Marvel-ish (more normal and human) and integrates into my preferred superhero universe.
Batman: If you murder one killer, the number of murderers in the world stay the same. Jason Todd: THAT’S WHY WE KILL MORE THAN ONE!
Deadpool lol
The only thing that separates a hero and villain is morales that line is thin but important.
Brayden Holland sorry to be a fucking asshole but u misspelled morals
@@grandpaeren6839 your a fucking idiot
@@cryptosword5937 you're*
Batman definitely works when he knows that he should pull the trigger but he can’t because of who he is, his flaws and his virtues simply make him unable. That’s the only explanation I need in his stories
This video... This script.. The reasoning, the points made, the whole damn thing... this is a work of art. This needs framed and posted on every batman forum. He made Batman VS Superman actually good, he shows that Batman is beyond the scopes of Green Lantern. Batman is the damn lantern. Batman is willpower, the will power to hold back, to accept ones as they are and attempt to lend a hand, and if that fails, a fist. This is truly a beautiful video. It explains my own love for Batman perfectly. Batman does not kill.
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you... from my bullets"
zingtea your comment made my day 😂
😂
"You better run, run, run.. outrun my gun"🎶
“I don’t have to kill you but I have 16 little fast hallow friends who would like to talk to you”
zingtea Even in that scene Batman kills him. Batman knows he can't get off and he knows that Gordon is going to derail the train AND Batman just bet the crap out of him.
“If you kill a killer, the numbers of killers stay the same in this goddamned world.” -Batman “Not if you kill a lot of them.” -Punisher EDIT: y’all I’m sorry I didn’t mean to start a war in the replies
A comment that is both chilling and hilarious
The number won’t change, there will be people who seek revenge for them.
That only goes for the first man you kill though, because killing a man for the first time makes you a killer. After that you can indeed decrease the number of killers by killing them, since you already are a killer at that point.
@@SirQuadrat what about people seeking revenge for the people you kill
@@meatboy5714 Well, only one person can take revenge on me at best, so that's not really relevant
Man, that’s a great video. During my childhood i was pissed with the fact that Batman stupidly doesn’t kill bad guys. But only a few weeks ago I started to realize the meaning of this rule for his philosophy and the emptiness of the character without it. Your video dotted the i's and crossed the t's in my head on this point. Batman became different for me now
I come back to this video once a year or so. It perfectly describes why I love this character so much, and also why he motivates me to become better. Thank you for this video.
This man just made the “Martha” scene actually meaningful
Because he understood it unlike most of the people
U don’t understand the rule mate
"Because that's what heroes do"
"Why did you say that name??!!" 😂
Just got to ask, how the hell does Lois knows what name Clark had said ? I don't think he says it when she's in any distance to hear "Martha".
"It's easy to kill, batman does not make the easy choice. Batman does not kill" ***Period YES EXACTLY***
@kavikiru kavikiru or Tim Burton, Joel Schumacher or Christopher Nolan
@@angelacosta1412 but batman doesn't kill in the Christopher Nolan movies... it's literally one of the main sources of conflict.
@@oneeyedsleep4107 He killed several members of the League Of Shadows when he blew up their lair in Batman Begins, killed Joker's goon when he drove the Tumbler under the truck while in the Narrows & killed Harvey Dent when he tackled him off the ledge in The Dark Knight & shot Thalia's driver before she crashed to her death in The Dark Knight Rises.
@@angelacosta1412 The Nolan Batman only killed out of necessity. He still tried to uphold his no kill rule, and it was touched upon within the movies. Yeah, but he killed someone a few times haha let’s make that justify gunning down criminals with machine guns in Batflecks movies haha
@@Synsity As long as you can admit that Nolan made Batman kill. The comment I was responding to said Nolan never made him kill & you confirmed that he did. Doesn't matter why or how, people need to stop saying Nolan never had Batmam kill when he clearly did.
This is the perfect argument for this subject. The Injustice games focused heavily on this matter and showed what became of Superman when he killed. They showed that what’s easy isn’t always synonymous with what’s right
Apparently Superman will always turn evil if Lois dies, so Batfleck was right to want to kill him.
@@JDoe-gf5ozi mean lois didn’t just die he literally murdered her, his unborn child, AND the entirety of metropolis
@@JDoe-gf5oz Not always, look at Kingdom Come for example.
@@biggrimace6506 Still not a reason to turn evil. To get revenge maybe, but not to become a demonic god from hell.
Hitop rewriting the martha scene is the reason that made me love this channel so much.
I love the whole idea behind the Bat signal. A rookie cop asks Gordon why they bother with the signal, aren’t there easier and faster ways to contact the Batman? Jim tells him that of course there are faster better ways to contact Batman, but the signal isn’t as much to call Batman, it’s for everyone else in Gotham. Everyone in Gotham can see the signal so everyone knows that Batman knows. How many would be crimes just end at the sight of the Bat signal?
wow, that actually makes sense. I've always been confused about that signal, tks for the answer
Whoa, never thought about it like that
*"It's not just a signal. It's a warning."* 🦇
@@bmvthemoviefanatic7282 that you're about to get your spine ripped in half
Eu pensava que era para avisar os policiais sobre quando o Batman iria entrar em ação para eles não invadirem o local e colocar vidas em risco, eu escrevi em português porque agora o KZhead tem tradutor automático
"So you won't kill, but you're fine with traumatic brain injuries." -Robin
Right before killing somebody but that's besides the point
Yes.
“So your fine with talking back but not with getting bitch slaps” -Batman
This will hit harder after The batman will be released
Joker likes to say batman is just as crazy as he is. Batman is crazy in the sense that he doesn't kill because that would mean he's just as bad as the criminals he beats down. But he beats people to near death and thinks it's ok. Batman thinks differently to others and always has done. The moment he kills he knows that he will never stop. That doesn't just go for criminals but the innocent also
8:07 - 11:07 The part that hits HELLA hard, great work. Sharing this video any time I see people talk about this… so like right now.
context I guess Zack Snyder said some shit bout Batman not killing a little before the time of writing this and I’m gonna post this vid on a Reddit post just forgot how damn good this vid is
@@mansgotplans I see this video linked on Reddit a lot. Usually by new accounts with Alex or Hunter in the name, conveniently. LOL. They always get laughed out of the threads by people who know this is an ACTUAL TEENAGER WHO MAKES 3DGY BATMAN FANFICTION.
@@user-tm2ks6vs2v r/batmanarkham isn’t exactly like the rest of Reddit, I can say that for sure
@@mansgotplans thanks for telling me where you'll be posting another sock puppet, Alex. Such a mature place. The pinned thread is about banning words that begin with N and R. Sounds like a place for ACTUAL TEENAGERS. 😆
love the hostility out of nothing
This is absolutely the BEST Batman video discussion I’ve seen on the Internet! Thank you! You were able to put in the words something that I had a thought about for years, but could not explain. This is the best Batman essay.
You just recreated a scene, a scene that's average, and turned it into comic book gold
i 100%agree
Agreed as Well, the scene can be so much better, if it was built up properly and the things that happened before that scene were well thought out and written
I literally reply that part because it's so dam good.
Batman does not kill? wrong. Batman *didn't kill*
I'd say less than average
Making Batman a killer is like making The Punisher a pacifist.
Underrated comment right here
He was a killer before, used to carry gund
@@libertyprime619 Yes, we all know this already. And how long has that been? Nearly 80 years since he was a killer? Has there ever been an actually interesting Batman story where he killed people? Killing Joke, Red Hood, ectera.
@@PrestonK_Productions every live action batman movie so far has batman killing people hahab
PandasDontBreed no, the Christopher Nolan’s ones didn’t. Also, the Tim Burton ones are cool but Batman isn’t interesting. Also, he doesn’t kill in the Joel Schumacher films or the Adam West film.
W video man. Loved the way you broke down the different shows, comics, and movies. Also loved some of those quotes you made! All of them hit hard ngl
The concept of Ben Affleck's version of the character killing people due to becoming tired of the pain and grief he experienced throughout his long career was never an issue to me. In fact, I welcomed the change as it gave a new take on batman and actually gave him a reason to kill unlike Keaton's batman. However, my issue with BVS is that superman should've been the character to bring batman back to the hero he once was. There's no guarantee that Batfleck always killed criminals and maybe there was a time he actually cared about this rule. Up until the point superman says Martha, Bruce has found reasons to excuse breaking the rule and why he kills criminals. But saying that name changed something in him and like he does with many of the people he encounters, Superman helps make batman a better person.
"It's easy to kill. Batman does not make the easy choice. Batman does not kill." I don't care about "right" or "wrong" interpretation, your analysis of the character is the one I find most compelling. It's the version of Batman I want to see.
thats the batman we want
It's the version of Batman we ALL want to see. If Batman killed he'd wouldn't be a symbol. He would be a coward and a murderer.
@@the_addict1711 then i guess he's a coward and a murderer 🤷🏿♂️
@@dobi287 N O, if batman kills, he's a failure
@@electri-citywatts based on?
that look at the camera after the interview was pure gold
Very very well put, specular job and the point about BvS made the scene have so much more depth it is a massive shame Synder cared more about violence than story telling.
“The best revenge is not to be like your enemy.” ― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
Absolute respect
EXACTLY
Exactly. You know what? Snyder is a hack.
Theodore Roosevelt congrats on 600
At some point not being like him is being the victime of the story,sometimes its worth fighting,and sometimes its not
Your first mistake was trying to convince the internet. You could make a perfect argument but there will always be that one guy who just ignores you and nitpicks at your argument. Good video tho
This.
He didn't make the easy choice did he.
It's not a mistake. It's a good justification of a new viral content
He's also being "that one guy" by nitpicking everything that Zack Snyder had said.
@@HUMAN-fq5ff how is he nitpicking what Snyder said? Snyder obviously understands literally nothing about Batman, doesn't actually watch movies like the Nolan Trilogy, poorly remembers comics like The Dark Knight Returns and The Killing Joke (I've read both) or doesn't care, and overall does an extremely piss poor job at going against Batman's No Killing Rule with any logic or reason. There are other reasons why Batfleck murdering people makes no sense not mentioned in this video like Joker being alive in the DCEU makes literally zero sense because if Batman ever started killing, Joker is literally number one on the list, also that Batman exists in an extended universe with other characters who have no kill rules, meaning his actions wouldn't be tolerated while films like The Burton movies exist in their own universe, etc. Just because you are incapable of understanding a well thought out argument against Snyder, doesn't mean it's nitpicking.
A very profound analysis of Batman. You sir just earned a subscriber!
I find myself coming back to this video multiple times a year just because of how beautifully crafted it is. I find myself thinking about this same exact dilemma and I couldn't have worded anything greater myself. This is THE youtube video I would recommend to people that want to get into video essay type videos, or just videos in general.
holy glaze
You just turned the cringiest scene in film history into a cinematic masterpiece. *HOW*
There are multiple scenes in The Last Jedi that are WORSE than anything in the DCEU.
John Stavropoulos okay?
By adding real plot and real character which the film never have.
@@muhammadagungwibowo3068 You mean which you never understood. There is plenty of plot and character your mind is just too simple to see it.
I TOTALLY AGREE
I thought that this was gonna be a 15 minute montage of Batman clearly killing people
You got something better.
same but I got something better
All the people superheroes knock out in one blow? There's no way in hell they're not getting horrible brain trauma. They die from brain damage years later, with mental disabilities and personality disorders, like our football players. I enjoy the action of cartoons, movies and videogames. But remember, Houdini (who actually trained Bruce) died from a punch to the stomach. Also yes, derailing that train in Batman Begins probably killed a bunch of pedestrians.
Tbh I did too 😂😂😂
batman kills so many people, its what makes him awesome.
dude you're great story teller and potential great writer . thanks
man i only recently got into batman through arkham asylum but to see how deep his character really goes and how well the arkham games really carry that image of him really makes me happy, i kept wondering why he wouldn't just kill the goons he fights, who have in turn killed many, but it all makes so much more sense now. Really good stuff dude
The only Batman who should kill is Thomas Wayne in my humble opinion.
true
I always loved the irony of Thomas Wayne (who's a doctor) was the batman who kills
Facts
@@blingiman I do understand your point, but rather than irony is something deeper, Thomas was a doctor, meaning he took the Hippocratic oath, a vow to life and do everything you can to save it, he was well aware of his oath and decided to willingly break it, that is pure anger towards the tragedy that is losing a son.
I would add Jason Todd (If he ever dawns the cape and cowl) and Jean Paul Valley. Both are two people who has been in the Batsuit and has pushed the limits.
“It has nothing to do with easy. It’s about doing what’s right because it’s right and that’s the only reason why.” -Batman
Which passage is this from again?
Beyond Hope Son of Batman
Except that the right thing is to kill the bad guy, and that's a fact.
@@CarlosSantana-gi6rt No. Not if ur Batman
@@CarlosSantana-gi6rt yeah no.
we love ur vids tbh, these types of rants are kl from my pov🙌🏾💙
Your videos always bring a tear to my eye.
Batman: "So, You have Chosen... *UNCONSCIOUS*
"So you have chosen............. PARALYZED"
you took this comment of a batman arkham knight video
josé camarão no one cares. It’s still funny
@@unsharded8503 smd
"So, you have chosen JAIL!
"It's easy to kill. Batman does not make the easy choice. Batman Does not Kill." -HiTop Films Amazing!
Of course it is easier to leave people with broken limbs and injuries close to death, what a noble bastard he is. The world's greatest detective thinks that this is the best choice for him? He looks more like a stupid psycho. Better a bullet in the head because it is more logical. There is no person there is no problem with him. But he is obviously too stupid for a detective to think about it at least once
@@gsv740 Wow. You are actually brain dead.
@@gsv740 Man that's gotta be the dumbest, most ignorant thing I've read all week.
GSV you’re actually thinking of Jason Todd,(Batman), or Thomas Wayne,( Batman), that’d go around killing people with guns while doing detective work for them to figure out the next criminal to kill.
Not killing the Joker is just stupid. By letting him live, he indirectly killed thousands of people. Had he killed the fucking clown from the beginning he would have saved thousands of innocent lives. But hey, killing a mass murderer is better than not letting him kill more and more innocents.
Cant Believe That This Video Essay Came Out 5 Years Ago, No Matter How Old I Get I'll Never Stop Re-watching It.
The best TED talk I've ever been to.
i cant believe this dude just convinced me that the martha scene could have actually worked. EDIT- warzone alert! participate at your own mental risk.
only if batman doesn't kill at that point, to the point.
@@Gadget-Walkmen that’s why he said “could have”
@@thekachigga9255 sure.
I mean it actually works, if u think about it regardless of Batman killing or not
@@ebrahimmunsif LMAO no it doesn't work at all. We ALL thought about it and it's still nonsense. The Martha moment is complete nonsense and not plausible in the slightest. Essentially Batman just suddenly becomes friend with Superman just because they’re mothers share the same name. By that logic Batman should just become friends with everyone he has problems with if they’re mothers name is Martha. Whatever ptsd crap he was going through in the moment is still illogical because he was killing people before and AFTER the scene with Superman so he really only became friends with him because they’re mother’s name is Martha and nothing more. That’s not happening in anyway since it's pure nonsense.
Not gonna lie, he speaking the big facts Edit: I know in some of he comics and movies Batman does kill, I was talking about the general understanding of Batman
Bruh
EXACTLY
He is, yeah. Those cases where "he" kills are just misinterpretations, just like the ending says.
BIG BIG FACTS!!!!!! This would change the whole movie of BVS!!!!!!!
The whole video.. boy, that’s just craaaazy.
Batman views all human life as sacred. Everyone has a family, everyone could have a child, and killing that person removes any chance for a goodbye, or for a happy child, or for anything. Red Hood never found human life sacred like Batman, he only sees the kill count, so he only sees a killer. Red Hood doesn’t see Deadshot as a man with a daughter he’s trying to protect and raise, Batman does
It's a fine line between Batman and the Batman who Laughs
Batman doesn’t kill, but you will have a heart attack when you see the hospital bill
This was actually address, though not in main cannon, but white knight cannon, that gotham has a 'batman fund' which covers the repair and medical bills involved in crime fighting. The fund is paid entirely by bruce's own money, but the city doesn't know it. Its one of the ways Jack Napier/the joker figures out who batman is.
@@2centschange I feel like this shows that Batman does care about the criminal goons he’s fighting and knows that they are usually apart of these gangs as they have no were else to go, no where to get money to feed their family. So he decides to try and help them but also bring justice
@@alexlovelady8249 "I knocked you down to get you out of the fight, but I'll help you get back up to a different place."
@@bleedingmasque.6193 hey goon I beat the shit out of you yesterday but I'll recover you just wanted you to feel some freaking empathy
Bars
“ it’s easy to kill, Batman does not make the easy choice. Batman does not kill” fucking said it dude, perfectly describes Batman’s entire moral code in one sentence. As a huge Batman fan, I salute you.
Leaving criminals in the cold street with internal injuries is fine . Since they'll be dead in a few hours. "Batman does not kill" indeed
@@y.kazayaki3681 Batman has not intention of killing.
@@y.kazayaki3681 police will pick them up
Exactly as Spider-Man's moral code
just because a choice is easy doesn't mean you shouldn't choose it sometimes the easy choice is the best choice and exactly whats happening that situation the easy choice was the best choice
Damn. I've never watched the Batman V Superman movie, but the way you explained the infamous "Martha" scene here actually got me like... Damn, that's a good ass scene. But yeah, you're right, since he's apparently a killer in that movie for whatever reason, that does ruin it.
He's a killer in that movie as it's meant to be a version of Batman that's gone bad but becomes good by the end. He starts the film killing and branding criminals, but at the end chooses to spare Lex Luthor, as his whole arc is about putting aside his vengeful vigilantism to instead believe in something greater and more just.
As robin said: "So you won't kill but you're fine with traumatic brain injuries"
Batman probably has some of his own, so yeah...
Just kill joker and lex luthor already. Why just kill his minion but not kill the master mind, stupid rich people.
Remove their brain surgically, that isn’t killing them.
@@alexglase765 yes it is lmao we are in our brain
@@adil0466 he doesn't kill the minions either
"Is it too hard to cross that line?!" "No, for God's sake no jason!" "It would be too damned easy."
YES, thay is batman!! There also was a simular conversation with damian in I believe "Son of batman"
"because he took me away from you, bruce" hits me every time
@Stevean2 did no one teach you this is the internet?
"It would to damned easy to kill one murder to save thousands of lives."
Fuck Batman he's a pussy! The Punisher is the real hero Gotham needs and deserves! Say goodnight Joker and Harley Quinn! You're miserable existences are about to come to an end when real punishment comes for you! He's a mortal man. Not a god like Thor, or a Super Soldier like Cap, or a mutant like Wolverine. This is a battle he can't win. But he already knows that. So he'll keep fighting until he dies. Both sad and beautiful at the same time.
It makes no sense for Bruce to do the very thing that caused him so much misery, to become the exact monster that tormented him for so long. Batman killing someone, a person with a family, he does the same thing that ruined him. The very same thing that robbed him of his innocence, his childhood.
Arkham Batman does not kill, he just makes his enemies wish they were dead.
"All Marvel heroes kill people." **angry spiderman noises**
THWIP😠😩😤😐
Spiderman killed in endgame
@@DivvayKhatri i never thought about Marvel universe spiderman as OG one, like he never had any of the OG spider-man problems and at the end he literally just becomes Tony Stark 2. Raime films, video games, broke Parker from Spiderverse. That whats for me OG spider-man, a man that always choses between normal life or being a spider-man to save people, and he always choses to help people even if its cripling him.
Isn't his unwillingness to kill the only reason he's "unworthy" of Mjolnir?
He accidentally killed a woman, but i don't think its canon anymore
For a second I thought he actually got Zack Snyder in an interview
he did i think
@@kaiphan1346 No, he just used clips from an official media source and edited the clips for the joke
@Raihan Nafis kzhead.info/sun/m5STdJqPpKdof3A/bejne.html
@@kaiphan1346 Lmao the video is that convincing huh? 😂😂😂
@@kaiphan1346 no he didn’t I saw the interview but hitop wasn’t there plus The youtuber was being rude to znyder But znyder had a ok feeling So he faked it
Thank you for putting this video together. Around 12mins is everything I feel too. It’s why I am such a fan and always will be of what I consider to be the TRUE Batman.
Wow this is actually amazing, some actually sensible arguments on the topic!
"More than anyone in the world, when you scratch everything else away from Batman, you're left with someone who doesn't want to see anybody die." Superman, Kingdom Come
theyakkoman then why did he let al ghul die? 🤔🤔
@@alexwade5785 because he knew al ghul would not stop. he was not responsible for al ghuls death, but he didnt have to save him either. al ghul made his choice when he tried to commit genocide in gotham.
+Alex Wade Choosing not to help someone isn't the same as killing them. Leaving someone to their own devices is not the same as ending them. Walking away isn't the same as murder. Thousands of people are killed worldwide at this very moment, and yet we (you, me, cousin Tom and Lisa next door) are not doing anything about it, are we killing them? Is that the same as killing them? Sure we can't help all of them, but we could choose to even help just one, yet we aren't even trying to find out who we can help; whose death could we prevent if instead of watching youtube videos we went out and saved someone. For whatever reason we are making a choice not to, and that doesn't make us killers. We just deem it's not worth the trouble, not worth sacrificing ourselves, not worth our time nor our comfort. We aren't even trying (giving money to charity is just a way of bribing one's own guilt) I know this is a shitty thing to say, but it still doesn't change the fact that we aren't trying everything we can - and that is something we have to come to terms within ourselves. Everything in life is a trade off, with what choices are you willing to live with? Is someone else's time more important to you than your own? These are the questions everyone should be asking themselves. So if someone has a moral stance of not killing, it isn't an obligation to save everyone.
Kingdom Come is one of my favourite comics. And i really like that Batman doesn't kill too. It's just that when he does kill, it's interesting to see what pushed him over the edge. And how in the end he became good again. Or how maybe in this universe, he never becomes good. The reason why Kingdom Come and many other comics are popular, is because the writers have liberty to deconstruct characters..just like in The Dark Knight Returns, where Batman kills. Saying that Batman should never kill, is denying Batman the story arcs that have been so important to his character, that reinforces why he should not kill. It's like saying Batman can never fail.
@@alexwade5785 Because he have the Lazarus Pit...duh.
To quote Bruce Wayne (Gotham S2E14)- "You can't kill murder. You can't get revenge on evil. You can only begin to fight such things by not doing them."
Roman Neill Damn right
Bullshit, killing isn't always evil. The death penalty for example.
@@CiastekStudio Killing is never okay. Never is it alright to take a human life off of the planet
@@viceonafridaynight I haven't said it can be "okay", I said it's not always evil. Sometimes it's necessary to kill. For example, if someone attacks you with a knife, you can defend yourself.
@Mrimchaelson Wishful thinking. It's not that simple in every situation to just not kill your attacker when you defend your own life.
Well… this video is so relevant now giving Zack’s recent comments.
So well said. Thank you for getting back to what made Batman so amazing.
A quote I heard somewhere sums up what Batman should be: "If you can't see your interpretation of Batman comforting a child who lost their parents to mindless violence at the hands of criminals, you did not write Batman."
Ace from the DCAU...
The Batman got so many things right with the character
Pretty sure cops killed a bunch of serial killers and can still comfort children, soldiers have also killed and could comfort refuges. I dislike the fact that killing=evil, because there are genuine reasons especially in self defense. Oh these armed soldiers are invading our country, better disarm and tie them up while fighting a war... surely this won't give them a major advantage. It also feels like batman can wreck no-name thugs and spare the actual main villains, like batman doesn't actually check if that thug he threw off the 13 floor is still alive
Red from OSP? "Can you imagine this batman comforting a scared child? If you can't I'm afraid you've just got the punisher in a silly mask" (The video is trope talk: antiheroes)
@@khaledm.1476 None of the occupations you mentioned or the people that fill them are equivalent to being Batman. The point stands.
Why have you made this one of my favorite videos on youtube OAT
You simply understand batman on a level most people in Hollywood don't.
Real fans of batman understand him
I love the HISHE bit where the joker's like "hit me! hit me!" and batman is heading for him on his bike. Cut to superman and batman in the cafe': "So you actually hit him? What about your rule?" - "Didn't kill him" - Cut to hospital with joker covered from top to bottom in plaster cast
See like that is an excellent instance of the no kill rule. It was a parody, and they used the rule in a comedic effect. If those guys could use the no kill rule in an interesting and unconventional way, then I don’t see why Hollywood can’t.
*weakly* You wanna know, how I got these scars?
Batman *would* learn how exactly to hit someone with a bike and not kill them.
@@ALJ9000 "Mmm..from Batman?" Nurse questions
@@nobilityknight9949 “From Batman.” Joker responds
Ben Affleck's Batman in BvS doesn't feel like a Batman who crossed his "line". He feels like a Batman who never had that "line" in the first place.
Not really. He clearly had the line. Even alfred talks about "new rules" and how things have changed. Try re-watcthing the ultimate cut and focus on Bruce's arc.
@@GuruPrashanth7970 He might have had the line or haven't had the line. That's not what I said. I said that he FELT like a Batman who didn't. That's because I personally feel that the writing for Bruce's character wasn't strong enough. There isn't a clear, proper way in which Zack Snyder showed how Bruce crossed his line. He just showed a bunch of references and hints. That's not enough to establish how he's changed in my opinion. Hence, most of the time he doesn't feel like he had a clear growth. It's like he always killed from the start. And my comment was based on the theatrical cut. I haven't watched the ultimate edition. I'll definitely give it a watch if it improves Bruce's character from the theatrical cut
I heard a theory that he crossed the line after Jason Todd was murdered, you can even see the Robin outfit painted by the Joker in BvS
@@bucket8141 that was Dick, which is why he is broken. Because Dick is one of the peopls who reasons with him. He never had a following robins after that. Since that was Zack's movie plan. Other directors can just reset that afterwards. Which, didn't happened.
@@petergeorge193 He doesn't have people anymore to care for. A line from Bruce in BvS - "How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?" thus emphasizing that he has lost his moral code after the death of Dick and forced him to cross the line further with arrival of an alien - Superman.
Great video! On thing I'd add is that Batman relies on rules and principles he's made for himself. He values human life over everything else, and refuses to take anybody's life, even if they probably deserve it. He understands that if he doesn't set these rules for himself, then he could justify anything he wanted to do.
This is easily my favorite video essay
zach snyder seemed high as shit during that actual interview.
I wouldn't be surprised if he actually was.
It wasn’t real but ok
Abraham Sanchez im talking about the real one the clips are taken from lol
Yeah, Snyder also said that HIS Batman could be raped in Prison. Talk about having no damned idea.
@@michaeldavis2001 that was a joke but whatever
Batman's "no-kill" rule is what causes the symbol of the bat, a symbol that Bruce made to strike fear into the hearts of criminals, to be a symbol of hope and pure willpower. The no-kill rule has even caused character development to members of the Bat-family, especially Jason Todd and Cassandra Cain. Jason grew to be the man Batman could never be, the man who doesn't mind killing, all due to batman never killing the Joker to avenge him. Cassandra was raised to be the best assassin in DC's history, but she was inspired by what she calls the symbol of the bat and the no-killing rule, making her into living proof that Batman can inspire people to do good. This is how integral the "no-killing" rule is: It is not only batman's moral code, but it is integral in his story and character, It is what truly contextualized the symbol of the Bat, and most importantly, it is what makes Batman a hero. Thanks to all who read my ramblings.
Perfectly said. Thank you.
Please. Batmans no kill rule was started to cover up the fact that Batman was a ripoff of the shadow
@@metaloverload7374Who is that? Shadow The Hedgehog? Lol who cares.
Other than the fact that its at this point based on the writer. In THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS he straight up snaps jokers neck, then lights his body on fire. But then theres comics like Injustice where he would rather imprison a Tyrannical dictator superman.
@@DevinEMILE A broken neck doesn't always kill people. The Joker killed himself by snapping it. Batman then set the dead body on fire