Air Powered Bike Range

2019 ж. 28 Нау.
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I recently built an air powered bike... because why not? Well maybe the energy density of compressed air storage is slightly less practical than expected, but that's why I put it to the test!
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  • 7:10 sounds like an asthmatic Darth Vader doing the cycling.

    @tichu7@tichu75 жыл бұрын
    • lmao

      @Roensmusic@Roensmusic5 жыл бұрын
    • Luke!... I.... I am... whooo wait..... **More panting** ...Luke, I am your-- Crap he got away!

      @skeetsmcgrew3282@skeetsmcgrew32825 жыл бұрын
    • @@skeetsmcgrew3282 whahahahahha i was getting a notification of this reply

      @Roensmusic@Roensmusic5 жыл бұрын
    • Sounds like me walking upstairs

      @ricovali9245@ricovali92455 жыл бұрын
    • Iron lung. :(

      @TechyBen@TechyBen5 жыл бұрын
  • Ok next step: wood or coal fired steam boiler

    @lazerusmfh@lazerusmfh5 жыл бұрын
    • Better ask Nighthawkinglight for woodgas powered bike

      @juhailmarisalminen@juhailmarisalminen5 жыл бұрын
    • Or you could electrically fire the boiler.

      @martindinner3621@martindinner36215 жыл бұрын
    • @@martindinner3621 What a stupid idea..

      @ss-sq1hn@ss-sq1hn5 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, and wait 30 minutes to get up to pressure :)

      @KHos73@KHos735 жыл бұрын
    • Better yet a Stirling engine running off the heat directly instead of making steam.

      @MrRolnicek@MrRolnicek5 жыл бұрын
  • the attitude with which you accept and overcome small failures is the reason for you huge successes. you really inspire me to not give up on things when I hit a snag. Thanks Tom, you really are an inspiring guy.

    @davedonovan2681@davedonovan26814 жыл бұрын
  • Loving the diagrams and calculations Tom. Super fun to watch

    @pboytrif1@pboytrif15 жыл бұрын
  • This project looks like a lot of fun. One idea: you should add more piston stages cascaded in series, so you can recover some of the energy in the exhaust venting.

    @USWaterRockets@USWaterRockets5 жыл бұрын
    • Triple expansion ahah let's make a steam powered bike !

      @victorpelini5995@victorpelini59955 жыл бұрын
    • yeah, just like multiple expansion steam engines back in days. Also it is possible to use turbine. At least will be interesting to see.

      @shurmurray@shurmurray5 жыл бұрын
    • Shur Murray but you can only do that with superheated steam, and at relative high pressures. Not sure if adding more pistons would give you higher efficiency, i only see more friction loses

      @laharl2k@laharl2k5 жыл бұрын
    • If you were running unregulated SCUBA tank pressures, this would make sense. At the pressures he is running now you would lose more to friction than you would gain.

      @martindinner3621@martindinner36215 жыл бұрын
    • +USWaterRockets The point of multiple-expansions steam engines was to extract as much energy as possible from the working fluid by the time it reached the exhaust. By keeping the exhaust pressure as close to atmospheric as he can, he has achieved that design aim, i.e. there is barely any recoverable energy left in the air by the time the piston reaches the end of the stroke. (That sounds a bit haughty of me, it's just I had the same thought as you so had a think if it would help or not then I saw your post! :-) )

      @donkmeister@donkmeister5 жыл бұрын
  • Next up: Nuclear reactor powered bicycle

    @rusinsr@rusinsr5 жыл бұрын
    • heh.. 'okay guys so the patreons really stepped it up and i was able to source some URANIUM!' ........DEMONITIZED

      @RSmerlinRS@RSmerlinRS5 жыл бұрын
    • I hope you are talking fusion not fission! Tom would not consider fission as forward thinking I suspect

      @rogerbeck3018@rogerbeck30185 жыл бұрын
    • That would be better than electric steam boiler.

      @ss-sq1hn@ss-sq1hn5 жыл бұрын
    • @@RSmerlinRS Cody's Lab will send him the uranium

      @mobzi2644@mobzi26445 жыл бұрын
    • @@rogerbeck3018 surely! Fission is too much antiquated

      @marco.castiglia@marco.castiglia5 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. So much can be learned from something you know is not the best idea, just even the knowledge gained from improving a bad idea can be applied somewhere else. Brilliant, keep making and pushing ideas.

    @Blondie5791@Blondie57915 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks so much Tom, I very much enjoy your projects and videos.

    @robinwallace6259@robinwallace62595 жыл бұрын
  • Now it is time to get even more impractical and make an electric-pneumatic hybrid bike by adding a battery powered air pump. You could then add a roof on it with solar panels to power the whole system. If you made a snappy enough video of it, you could make a killing on kickstarter.

    @0calvin@0calvin5 жыл бұрын
    • something like this perhaps? www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-1-Gal-18-Volt-Brushless-Cordless-Air-Compressor-R0230/300507507

      @Thrillowatt@Thrillowatt5 жыл бұрын
    • Thunderfoot would have non of it and would probably tear him apart.

      @oremooremo5075@oremooremo50755 жыл бұрын
    • @@oremooremo5075 XD He'd be so mad he'd get stuck repeating the same sentence for the whole vid.

      @21area21@21area215 жыл бұрын
    • Advantage being, you could actually maintain high pressure along the ride

      @Jp-ue8xz@Jp-ue8xz4 жыл бұрын
    • the longer the conversion line and the more chemical or mechanical it is the more energy is lost before it hits the road...

      @alexanderstohr4198@alexanderstohr41984 жыл бұрын
  • Your projects are some of the best on KZhead.

    @NicMediaDesign@NicMediaDesign5 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for your research! Fun to watch your build.

    @standardannonymousguy@standardannonymousguy5 жыл бұрын
  • Very interesting! We take for granted lipo power density sometimes! Also can I say it looks like the new vids have been picking up a lot more views recently? That's awesome!

    @GavinRemme@GavinRemme5 жыл бұрын
  • That bike sounds disturbingly familiar with me challenging any serious incline... ;)

    @armin0815@armin08155 жыл бұрын
    • It sounds disturbingly familiar with me challenging anything

      @Snaily@Snaily5 жыл бұрын
    • i thought it sound's like darth vader peddaling

      @christianwetzel2199@christianwetzel21995 жыл бұрын
    • Sounds like me downhill

      @jammybizzle666@jammybizzle6663 жыл бұрын
  • I want to see a v8 engine of the mini 3d printed compressed engines. That would be so satisfying to watch. This bike is a really cool concept, keep up the good work.

    @davidgeier6365@davidgeier63655 жыл бұрын
    • Or a really small v8 to run a bike.

      @epauletshark3793@epauletshark37933 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic test and build. Excellent build and video mate!

    @ghassanm3@ghassanm34 жыл бұрын
  • It’s impressive how much time and effort you put into your content

    @log1476@log14763 жыл бұрын
  • You should try a vane motor, they're used in most rotating air tools. Very efficient.

    @danway60@danway605 жыл бұрын
  • Your air powered bike is begging to be displayed somewhere worthy. What an awesome project Tom. Cheers!

    @jrotor3301@jrotor33015 жыл бұрын
    • I have a hall of terrible ideas this would be perfect for.

      @greedfox7842@greedfox78424 жыл бұрын
    • @@greedfox7842 excuse me but what have you made? Don't throw shade at what you can't do

      @ikpodavid5794@ikpodavid57943 жыл бұрын
    • @@ikpodavid5794 you don’t need to know how to make something to know it’s impractical. It’s impressive, yes, but it doesn’t have any practical uses.

      @thatoneguy611@thatoneguy6112 жыл бұрын
  • If you were to revisit this project you may want to take into consideration that there is a difference between the volumes of the extention and retraction because the retraction has has slightly less volume due to the air cylinder shaft retracting into that area

    @mobilegamersunite311@mobilegamersunite3113 жыл бұрын
  • This is the content i subscribe for Other channels lack such a detailed Mechanics!

    @hajmola7605@hajmola76055 жыл бұрын
  • Hi Tom, you can find used carbon fiber SCBA tanks that the fire fighters get rid of. They fill to 4500 psi or 310 bar! You may be able to find one for very cheap at a pellet rifle store. They can usually fill them there too. Theres a chance that a dive shop may have them as well. And either will have used steel and aluminium tanks for even cheaper.

    @zyxw12347@zyxw123475 жыл бұрын
    • I second this. It is clear that the issue here is the amount of stored energy. Most compressed air vehicles use tanks with pressures at or above 200 PSI. This would only add a little to the weight but would significantly increase the range. However at those pressures you would need to secure those valves carefully since you would not want an accidental kick in the valve when mounting the bike to rob you definitely of your ability to make children ... or worse. The energy density of compressed air is ultimately much lower than of a lithium battery but it has many strong advantages as far as sustainability is concerned: - its durability is orders of magnitude higher and supports many more cycles, - its embodied energy and associated carbon emissions as well, - it requires only carbon and steel as resources, as opposed to many different and rarer metals, - it is easily recyclable whereas lithium batteries are hard to recycle efficiently, - it is much faster to recharge, - compressed air can keep much longer than a battery, All in all, if the limited range is not an issue, compressed air is several orders of magnitude greener than electricity. We just need to use it where it is appropriate, I.e., short trips to and from work than for long weekend rides.

      @nekononiaow@nekononiaow10 ай бұрын
    • ​@@nekononiaowairpod cars are now a thing.

      @TempoLOOKING@TempoLOOKING9 ай бұрын
    • Co2 would be great also, I use them on my race car for boost control and my air shifter. What about nitrogen?

      @danieljames5875@danieljames58759 ай бұрын
  • "Oh, that's a lot of power" - traveling at10 km/h :)))

    @DolganoFF@DolganoFF3 жыл бұрын
  • very interesting tom. Thank you for the calculationa dn very well produced video

    @eldiagrama@eldiagrama5 жыл бұрын
  • Wow! Thats was a good development even though its little. People like you makes this world goes to the moon. Keep it up man

    @gregsantos9731@gregsantos97313 жыл бұрын
  • Love your stuff!! Keep it up. Curious what would happen if you drilled a Few more exhaust holes on the return stroke side of the cylinder.

    @BergeCorp@BergeCorp5 жыл бұрын
  • Why don’t you add air compressor to the pedals, so when you pedal you’ll be slowly adding more pressure to the tank to extend the range? Or even connect it to the bike tyres?

    @jackkemp1716@jackkemp17165 жыл бұрын
    • you'd need some insane legs to push the bike + compressor

      @rikimbili@rikimbili2 жыл бұрын
  • you have given valuable datas to make a decision . thanks for your detailed R&D and explanation.

    @hemnat2000@hemnat20004 жыл бұрын
  • I love your ideas! Brilliant! Awesome bike!

    @MrOTcomputer@MrOTcomputer5 жыл бұрын
  • Sounds much better than the explosive popping from the last video... Anyhow, 400 meters seems like a good guess... :) nobody actually does these guessing things I think.

    @johnpenguin9188@johnpenguin91885 жыл бұрын
    • actually I thought 500 m was doable and not too far off :)

      @armin0815@armin08155 жыл бұрын
    • John Penguin I guessed 700 meters, overestimating but closer than I predicted.

      @TIO540S1@TIO540S15 жыл бұрын
  • The regulator is expanding air to a lower pressure without extracting any useful work in the process. Variable valve timing (with no regulator) would allow you to extract a much larger fraction of the energy.

    @mass1s@mass1s5 жыл бұрын
    • Came to the comments to mention this. Assuming it was able to accurately maintain the exhaust pressure at 1 atmosphere, variable valve timing would still give the same number of total piston strokes but they would have a lot more force (at least until the tank pressure dropped below whatever the regulator had been set at, at which point both setups would be roughly equivalent). If you don't mind going at the same (~walking) speed you could spend much more time coasting, eking out rather more range. Other useful improvements: - Use large-bore plumbing (particularly on the exhaust) to reduce energy wasted in pushing exhaust out of the cylinder. - Make use of the bicycle's gears (whose weight penalty you are paying anyway) to allow the air engine to turn more slowly when the input pressure is high and/or when travelling at speed.

      @cpcallen@cpcallen5 жыл бұрын
  • Always quality video productions, thank you so much. I am wondering if an off-the-shelf air tool such as a drill or die grinder could be used in place of the pneumatic cylinder. I have been curious about alternative energy storage as with compressed air or elastic power for a long time now, especially practical, real-world use as you are exploring.

    @rtonce@rtonce5 жыл бұрын
  • This is very interesting, and I learned a lot about how pneumatic cylinders, etc worked. Especially interesting was the efficiency loss when the exhaust pressure was greater than the atmospheric pressure. Many Thanks! PS a steam powered variant would be great, I can imagine strapping the boiler on the back!!

    @marhar2@marhar25 жыл бұрын
  • Now to add a steamboiler and making it triple expansion.

    @MazeFrame@MazeFrame5 жыл бұрын
    • That would make it super heavy, perhaps if it gets so heavy it could damage the road he'll need to build a special track for it?

      @d.thieud.1056@d.thieud.10565 жыл бұрын
    • @@d.thieud.1056 Hey, and maybe he could chain together a whole bunch of other bikes behind it?

      @adammullarkey4996@adammullarkey49963 жыл бұрын
  • How about CO2? Stored as a liquid good high pressure, plenty of gas relatively cheap

    @davers1610@davers16105 жыл бұрын
    • that was my thought. I think he also needs a way to change the pressure as riding that way you can accelerate fast using a lot of energy but still maintain speed using very little, like a car.

      @news2383@news23835 жыл бұрын
    • Relatively cheap compared to what, rocket fuel?

      @skeetsmcgrew3282@skeetsmcgrew32825 жыл бұрын
    • Evaporating CO2 requires heat from the surroundings. If you don't expand it through some large radiator or intercooler, then it will simply freeze and possibly crack the cylinder, piston, and seals.

      @AndreiNeacsu@AndreiNeacsu5 жыл бұрын
    • @@AndreiNeacsu This is very true. In the marijuana industry they use supercritical CO2 for extraction. It takes extremely specialized equipment

      @skeetsmcgrew3282@skeetsmcgrew32825 жыл бұрын
    • @@skeetsmcgrew3282 as they use large tanks of it in pubs/bars for pressuring drinks it is very cheap.

      @davers1610@davers16105 жыл бұрын
  • This is really cool. Innovative!

    @erichannes6392@erichannes63923 жыл бұрын
  • Haha that wide shot where the the sound is the same volume but you can see how little ground is covered for all that huffing and puffing. Funny, and totally awesome.

    @hunterwilk@hunterwilk4 жыл бұрын
  • "If the exhaust pressure is at 2 atm, it effectively halves the range." This is why compund expansion engines exist, so as to utilize this exhaust pressure to further extract energy from the pressurized gas

    @ulyssesdacop@ulyssesdacop4 жыл бұрын
    • Good point! But where would the much larger secondary cylinger go?

      @eekee6034@eekee60342 жыл бұрын
  • 0:33 Where were you standing when the high pressure cylinder arm snapped that bolt?

    @ketansaart1546@ketansaart15465 жыл бұрын
  • Silly me. I commented on the first air-powered bike video before watching this one. This video answers pretty much all of the questions I posted on the first. At the end of the video, you compared energy density and performance between the air powered bike and your electric bike. You also effectively answered the SCUBA tank question. Thanks for that, I had a suspicion that the math wouldn't work out, but you actually did the math (er, "maths" so sorry). Something you also mentioned which I think many commenters in the last video did not consider, was mass. Not only does it take a lot of material to contain such extreme pressures, compressed air weighs a lot more than just "air." I think many people have a common-sense concept that air is weightless. Thank you for explaining that it isn't. Comparing energy densities, however, one bit was left out: Comparison to carbon based fuels. You mentioned this in your atmosphere powered RC car. There's a reason we're having such a hard time moving away from gasoline/petrol, diesel, coal, and the like. They're very energy dense. A litre of petrol will do much more work than the equivalent mass of even the most efficient battery, and much much more than the equivalent volume of compressed air, given the limits of the technology required to compress and store that air. I own more than one motorcycle, my littlest one has a very small fuel tank, and will go about 110 miles/175 km before refueling. Eyeballing the size of the tank on your air bike, I expect if I had that much volume as gasoline/petrol, I'd get something more like 400 miles/ 645 km. So... one hundred times more than your theoretical maximum? Oh, also at much higher speeds, say 70-80 kph (it is a really small bike).

    @tananam9782@tananam97824 жыл бұрын
  • Another issue you might face using a scuba tank is the regulator. A scuba diver uses about 15l of air per minute near the surface, or 5 times that at 40m depth. That requires the regulator to be submerged in order not to cool down too much to freeze shut. In air heat transfer from the environment is a lot lower and a regular scuba regulator might well freeze at the rate you're taking air out of the tank.

    @glewellyn0@glewellyn05 жыл бұрын
  • Maybe the key is to put the air tank on a trailer. That will fix the center of gravity problem and possibly allow for a larger, heavier tank.

    @danharold3087@danharold30875 жыл бұрын
    • Dan Harold Or more than one scuba tank!

      @laharl2k@laharl2k5 жыл бұрын
    • Going for a carbon fiber composite cylinder rather than a steel one would probably be a good starting point. I looked up what Dräger had available and there's a 9L 300 bar working pressure rated one with an empty weight of 5.3kg. If they exist scaled up to the same quoted 20L it'd probably come out at less than that 1.7L per kg of cylinder weight, but given that the one I mentioned already costs over 1100 pounds new I don't even want to think about the cost of larger units. The carbon fiber composite cylinders afaik are rarely used for diving, the weight of steel is preferred apparently for buoyancy reasons? Firefighters, paintball/PCP airguns, etc are areas where having a lighter option is beneficial. Now that I mention that, there are probably cheaper options out there than Dräger for less critical use cases in the paintball/airgun world and maybe even higher capacity ones.

      @extrastuff9463@extrastuff94635 жыл бұрын
    • @@extrastuff9463 sadly, they are not really much cheaper. A carbon fiber paintball tank (cheap, mind you) will set you back a cool $250 US. That would be a tank about the size of a cantaloupe. That said, bicycle frames are hollow by nature.... may-haps that can serve as a tank?

      @Quartzkensai@Quartzkensai5 жыл бұрын
    • ​@@Quartzkensai That would be a rather small tank and not really offer any benefits over a regular large scuba tank. I think when I looked up ~9L Dräger carbon fiber composites (~4.5kg empty weight) they were around 1100 pounds before taxes. Expensive, still not really a great realistic bicycle range (better and safer to use batteries and electric motors in many ways). There are probably cheaper similar products out there but that wouldn't make sense to use, the range still won't be great refilling would require a dive club/compressor at home? Compared to electricity certainly less efficient than the ratio of what you get out of charged lithium ion battery compared to what went in. While compressing the air a lot of energy is lost as produced heat and it's hard to beat the efficiency of an electric motor. As for storing air inside the frame I'll give you this much it is creative, but not realistic for a decent amount or high pressures: 1. internal volume even added up isn't gonna be huge 2. many joints that are weak spots 3. the walls would have to be quite thick to support any reasonable pressure 4. the saddle is usually adjustable in height (lot of volume loss or a seal that can easily leak) 5. not sure if pressure vessel regulations would even allow you to deliberately design something like that (it would probably have to be pressure tested as well)

      @extrastuff9463@extrastuff94635 жыл бұрын
  • The input pressure regulation is wasting the excess energy, full pressure + variable intake timing would do better for economy

    @linuxbot3000@linuxbot30005 жыл бұрын
    • Lol!!! Build one then... hahaha

      @marcusblickerify@marcusblickerify4 жыл бұрын
  • Cool project! For SCUBA I was building a similar thruster that was to se 2 cylinders for better efficiency. (like the compressors use). 1 high pressure going from 150-75 then 1 low pressure 75-10.

    @MrRexquando@MrRexquando4 жыл бұрын
  • A lovely project. Good experimental analysis as well. One thing not discussed was differential volume and force of the air cylinder. Any double acting cylinder with a single ended rod exerts less force while retracting than extending. This is due to the area of the piston rod. Your cylinder has a rather thick rod compared to the piston diameter, so the difference is fairly large. In terms of you pedalling the bike, it is like having one leg stronger than the other. Because of the mechanical constraint of your drive train the distance travelled is equal for both cylinder strokes. The power, however is more when extending than retracting. In the hydraulic boat steering industry in which I was employed we eliminate this differential cylinder effect by using cylinders with double ended rods, so the power is identical in both directions.

    @TheGbab@TheGbab4 жыл бұрын
  • "Like with every vehicle, the more power you output, the less range you have." The SR-71 would like to have a word.

    @CreaperSiege@CreaperSiege5 жыл бұрын
  • Could some creative valve timing be used for regenerative braking?

    @among-us-99999@among-us-999995 жыл бұрын
    • @@thealienrobotanthropologist The additional weight from such a system would probably cost you more than you would gain.

      @skepticmoderate5790@skepticmoderate57905 жыл бұрын
    • The AlienRobotAnthropologist wouldn’t it be possible to use the cylinder that is already there as a compressor? So that you use the rotation of the wheel to push air back into the tank?

      @among-us-99999@among-us-999995 жыл бұрын
    • @@thealienrobotanthropologist I had to google what a "jake brake" was. In Australia we just call them compression or exhaust brakes. "Jake brakes" is a weird name. The signs look like the photos a few pages down in this PDF: www.ntc.gov.au/Media/Reports/(675BC46E-8885-6E29-64B7-986E894BA1E1).pdf

      @clonkex@clonkex5 жыл бұрын
    • @@thealienrobotanthropologist Thermodynamics don't get in the way of getting some pressure out of your kinetic energy. It might not be super efficient, but none of this is.

      @Arnogorter@Arnogorter5 жыл бұрын
    • @@among-us-99999 The exhaust pressure in the cylinder would have to be greater than what's in the tank in order to re-pressurise the tank. That would be pretty much impossible. You might be able to pressurise a reserve tank, but once the reserve tank build up pressure it would start to slow the bike down. If you've ever used a hand pump to inflate a bicycle tire, you'd know what I mean.

      @dockettome@dockettome5 жыл бұрын
  • His science explanation makes my head spin. Lots of effort into this thing with less than stellar results.

    @sailr@sailr4 жыл бұрын
  • this is nice this is something what i need for my bike

    @michelvegt3675@michelvegt36754 жыл бұрын
  • I'm guessing 100 meters. Edit: Well, I'm impressed ;)

    @ivanhansgaardhansen2675@ivanhansgaardhansen26755 жыл бұрын
  • You need to find a carbon fiber air tank that firefighters use. Our tanks can be pressured up to 4500 psi and they are lightweight.

    @gregoetker1389@gregoetker13895 жыл бұрын
    • isnt all that air heavy?

      @spawnof200@spawnof2005 жыл бұрын
    • @@spawnof200 I think a 45 min bottle (approx 66 cubic foot) pressured to 4500 psi weighes about 20 lbs. They have different sizes if tanks.

      @gregoetker1389@gregoetker13895 жыл бұрын
    • @@gregoetker1389 Yeah but at what cost?

      @Flowxing@Flowxing5 жыл бұрын
    • For what, $4500 also?

      @arfyness@arfyness5 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the interesting idea and realisation! What could you tell about the energetic efficiency using air pressure? Of 100% energy you put into the bottle's pressure, about how much will be used for forward movement?

    @iwilltubeyouall@iwilltubeyouall4 жыл бұрын
  • Great analysis

    @SunriseKnight@SunriseKnight5 жыл бұрын
  • Could you run the air through a turbine and gearbox and power the bike like that? Would it be more efficient?

    @JeroenTrappers@JeroenTrappers5 жыл бұрын
    • Jeroen Trappers Are you willing to make the turbine impelers for him? 3D printing wont cut it, its too fast and too much power for just plastic

      @laharl2k@laharl2k5 жыл бұрын
    • @@laharl2k you can find turbos at any scrap yard.

      @yurimow@yurimow5 жыл бұрын
    • @@yurimow You cant use a turbo, they are not designed for the pressures, flow nor load a steam turbine would have. Also you'd have like 15K rpm at the output, you need like a 500:1 reduction. Sure you can do it, but still not with a 3D printer, maybe in hard wood but still it wouldnt last much. Turbos are designed for low pressure, low viscosity, medium flow air, not for high pressure, medium viscosity, high flow steam. Itwill just either output too little power and the efficiency will suck, or the efficiensy will suck period.

      @laharl2k@laharl2k5 жыл бұрын
    • @@laharl2k Where did you get the idea he meant steam? The OP literally said "air". But I do agree, a turbo won't cut it.

      @clonkex@clonkex5 жыл бұрын
    • Gear ratio inside a sprinkler head is about 4800/1 , makes sense to spin a turbine about that speed , the gear reduction would give you some torgue

      @neilmacleod5371@neilmacleod53714 жыл бұрын
  • It sounds like me riding when I am out of Salbutamol.

    @dewexdewex@dewexdewex5 жыл бұрын
    • I had to google that one...

      @greedfox7842@greedfox78424 жыл бұрын
  • Great comparison

    @glennrmarks@glennrmarks5 жыл бұрын
  • well done.. i learnt a lot

    @scatterit5717@scatterit57174 жыл бұрын
  • wow, it even sounds like me when i'm on a bike.

    @Lappmogel@Lappmogel4 жыл бұрын
  • You need 2 pistons so you can get torque for the full rotation. You might even be able to fit 4 pistons

    @jacker372@jacker3725 жыл бұрын
    • V twin would be cool :D

      @KX36@KX365 жыл бұрын
    • The cylinder is fed from both ends. So it gets 2 power strokes per revolution.

      @corkymork@corkymork5 жыл бұрын
    • @@corkymork impossible, the only power stroke is the expansion of the cylinder, contraction of the cylinder actually produces drag because energy is required to push the air out of the cylinder

      @jacker372@jacker3725 жыл бұрын
    • jacker372 look at the animation at 0:52. The cylinder is fed pressure alternately at both ends. So you get a power stroke in both directions. I think you can see hoses at both ends of the cylinder. And when running at higher pressure, you can hear the excess pressure venting at each end of the stroke.

      @corkymork@corkymork5 жыл бұрын
    • @@corkymork lmao get a load of this guy, "impossible!" sure sounds like he knows what he's talking about. no one tell him about double acting steam engines!

      @robmckennie4203@robmckennie42035 жыл бұрын
  • Tom. I remember seeing a steam engine that used high pressure cylinder and then used the exhaust from that to power a low pressure cylinder. I was wondering if the same principle could work here. Also could you run it down a quarter mile dragstrip and get a world record?

    @Slikx666@Slikx6665 жыл бұрын
  • I like how I dont understand the machine stuff but I still like to watch

    @clyded8404@clyded84043 жыл бұрын
  • Yeah nice about that range on the scuba tank but honestly I don't care. What I DO want to see is you using that full 300+ bar to go zoom real quick!

    @Hirosjimma@Hirosjimma5 жыл бұрын
    • Pretty sure it would explode immediately

      @skeetsmcgrew3282@skeetsmcgrew32825 жыл бұрын
  • The sound this bike makes is exactly how i breathe after I run for 10 minutes.

    @muhamedd@muhamedd3 жыл бұрын
  • Brilliant. A way to make it more efficient is to be able to reverse the piston valves so when you are going downhill you can recover energy or even the way F1 cars recover energy, when you brake you also reverse the piston and compress more air back into the cylinder. This is just talk from someone inexperienced like myself though. Hats of to you for making this in the first place

    @Drinnan@Drinnan5 жыл бұрын
  • jej cool build & test. i am carriing the idea for airpowered bike with my for a long time. i had no idea about the range. thx for the calculations. but my idea is to use it as a kind of turbo. with a lot of pressure. and because i guess air would be very good to store the energy from the breaks. but maybee its only because i dont know much about the physics of pressure :-)

    @rastapeace@rastapeace4 жыл бұрын
  • Did you mount the piston with bearings? To prevent power loss.

    @jiviteshpandab6194@jiviteshpandab61945 жыл бұрын
  • I think you need a composite scuba diving bottle at much higher pressure!

    @MrWarwick15@MrWarwick155 жыл бұрын
    • MrWarwick15 the cylinder can’t handle more than 100 psi

      @calebm.5698@calebm.56985 жыл бұрын
    • The problem is this, to get more power out of his setup, he would need to either use more cylinders or use a cylinder with more surface area to get roughly the same efficiency. He could very well improve of what he has at the moment but he does not seem very determined ;D. I mean, throughout the whole video, i though that the electric bike is the better option but somehow i feel like he didn't really tryed that hard to make the pneumatic bike work. One cylinder is the most basic that you can get, the electrical equivalent would be an electrical motor with only one winding.

      @mandernachluca3774@mandernachluca37745 жыл бұрын
    • you may be able to hook up hpa tanks for paintball and such in series to acheive 3000+ psi

      @Thrillowatt@Thrillowatt5 жыл бұрын
    • @@calebm.5698 so does a diver breath air at 3000 psi? That's what pressure regulators are for......!

      @MrWarwick15@MrWarwick155 жыл бұрын
  • You forgot to add that the estimated travel distance was greatly reduced due to not being able to keep the bike going straight forward because of the slow pace it had. Keep up the good work mate! Even though I am a new subscriber I feel like I've been watching your videos for a long time.

    @VA3KAMA3@VA3KAMA34 жыл бұрын
  • The trick to extend range in pressurized air vehicles is to use really high pressure bottles, then a first pressure drop to chill the air near freezing point of moisture in ambient air (or well under, but it requires a rotating brush to remove the building up ice). In such a way you can recover energy from ambient air to increase pressure of the plenum before reducing it again to activate the piston. Other than that, short stroke pistons with big bore are preferable, since they have bigger force with less pressure, thus decreasing both friction losses and exhaust losses. Applying a diffuser on the exhaust port decreses a little dicharge pressure for a little more bonus

    @arkanoid1980@arkanoid19803 жыл бұрын
  • You need a 7L 4500 psi cylinder!)

    @hdumax7968@hdumax79685 жыл бұрын
    • I was thinking that, too. Then it occurred to me how dangerous it could be to get in an accident with an HPA tank strapped to the bike.

      @thebateman7949@thebateman79492 жыл бұрын
  • Me: Wow this guy loves to work with air! Me when I realized we *Breathe* _Air_ : ಠ_ಠ

    @firstletterofthealphabet7308@firstletterofthealphabet73084 жыл бұрын
  • Tom, where did you get the tank and values from? Can you share a link or two please?

    @JamsAlx@JamsAlx5 жыл бұрын
  • Very interesting! Have you considered combining a battery powered compressor to increase range? Also, could gears help take up some of the pressure from the piston, while increasing speed?

    @madaddams@madaddams3 жыл бұрын
  • One add a furnace and water or something like that :D

    @NikoxD93@NikoxD935 жыл бұрын
    • Sorry bud, that’d weight too much.

      @toxiccan175@toxiccan1755 жыл бұрын
  • Just need small tank of liquid nitrogen. And evaporate it as you want.

    @octozero@octozero5 жыл бұрын
    • Genius

      @edwardshaylitsa7127@edwardshaylitsa71273 жыл бұрын
  • Get the exhaust to go into another smaller valve/piston, that's has its gear ratio and all that jazz set accordingly. Then you can get the pressure closer to atmospheric for less loss. Also a valve like that isn't the most efficient design, but good work, love your content.

    @brandenwaite@brandenwaite Жыл бұрын
  • Love your work tom. Please grace up with plutonium powered windscreen wipers next 😁. Cheers

    @tmenzella@tmenzella3 жыл бұрын
  • This is much better than Elon Musk’s air powered Tesla!

    @johnpenguin9188@johnpenguin91885 жыл бұрын
    • thats only used for acceleration, not sustained travel i think

      @marc_frank@marc_frank5 жыл бұрын
    • Is there one?

      @gustarrezende@gustarrezende5 жыл бұрын
    • @@gustarrezende There is an option on the 2020 Roadster called the "SpaceX option pack" which includes cold gas thrusters out the back, front, and sides of the car, to improve acceleration, braking, and cornering. The thrusters use a super high pressure tank which is compressed using an electric air compressor powered by the car's battery pack. Pretty cool stuff I gotta say.

      @CockatooDude@CockatooDude5 жыл бұрын
    • CockatooDude the laws of physics say “nah”

      @johnpenguin9188@johnpenguin91885 жыл бұрын
    • @@CockatooDude Thanks for letting me know!

      @gustarrezende@gustarrezende5 жыл бұрын
  • I stay with my suggestion: Add regenerative braking to increase the range! :D

    @Blubb3rbub@Blubb3rbub5 жыл бұрын
  • The rear wheel acts as a flywheel because of the fact that it is connected directly to the engine. Since this is the case, you could make the bike more efficient by utilizing the momentum of the rear wheel and connect a one way valve from the intake of the piston to the exhaust and use the pressure from the intake to push piston back up

    @phineas614@phineas6145 жыл бұрын
  • Make it so the bike pumps air into a tank and releases it for a boost just an idea, love your videos.

    @diresaturn8866@diresaturn88665 жыл бұрын
  • Sounds like a couple of asthmatics having a good time!

    @SirJamez0@SirJamez05 жыл бұрын
  • Sounds like Ivor the engine - probably before your time 🤣

    @ewanoffshore@ewanoffshore5 жыл бұрын
    • Probably? Definitely. I'll see your Ivor the engine, and raise you a Woodentops.

      @sarkybugger5009@sarkybugger50095 жыл бұрын
  • Sounds excited.

    @jorgea.garzav4650@jorgea.garzav46505 жыл бұрын
  • Wow! Amazing!

    @Newriverartist@Newriverartist5 жыл бұрын
  • Try powering it with liquid nitrogen or liquid CO2. Might need a heater to keep the cylinder happy.

    @_droid@_droid5 жыл бұрын
    • ☣droid☣ CO2 maybe, N2 i doubt it, dont know if you can get a tank that can stand the cold and 17,000psi at the same time.

      @laharl2k@laharl2k5 жыл бұрын
    • @@laharl2k it's not cold and 17k PSI at the same time. It's not uncommon for large facilities with compressed air systems or need for back gas for welding/brazing to have N2 delivered at high pressure.

      @AndrewFrink@AndrewFrink5 жыл бұрын
    • @@AndrewFrink Sure, not cold and 17kpsi, but the moment you open the valve you have -100ºC and you still have 10kpsi, afaik most metals and polimers get quite brittle near that, your list of feasable materials isnt too long, other than glass or carbon fibers i dont know of any with sufficient tensile strengh, I think even kevlar would crack at hose temps. Do you know what kind of tanks do they use for that welding stuff?

      @laharl2k@laharl2k5 жыл бұрын
  • methanol fuel cell bike it's... even rationally))🤔

    @horatio3852@horatio38525 жыл бұрын
    • I don't remember the brand but the French did that. Looks awesome and has quite a range.

      @lastflightofosiris@lastflightofosiris4 жыл бұрын
  • i c bycycle pump re arrangement. good work tom thank you 4 sharing with us

    @danawilson743@danawilson7434 жыл бұрын
  • There are magnetic limit switches placed over the pneumatic cylinders' both ends which I think will help get a better system response. Velocity then should be accorded with the time of travel between two switches and also by using a variable pressure regulating valve driven by the system's low velocity high power or high velocity low power needs. I liked the simplicty and efficiency of the parts designed. I now subscribed

    @minimachinas@minimachinas5 жыл бұрын
  • I build cylinders for a living both pneumatic and hydraulic. You could probably pull yours apart and turn and bore the seal groves to the extent of there working tolerance to lose some drag on the seals, and increase power output a little. You could also use a higher pressure and regulate it down to store more energy.

    @icanseeyou2004@icanseeyou20044 жыл бұрын
  • for stroke counting there are pneumatic stroke counters available with count reset but that can be T'eed in to either the piston or rod end of the cylinder air supply

    @robco6997@robco69973 жыл бұрын
  • Love this idea. Would it be feasible to make a bike frame that would also double as an air tank. Make it so the over all volume would be as same as the heavy tank or larger? And fabricated out of a lighter metal?

    @brianbench1291@brianbench12914 жыл бұрын
  • The effectiveness of this project was inversely proportionate to the entertaining value of this video. Keep inventing !

    @horatiohornblower868@horatiohornblower8684 жыл бұрын
  • I really thought you was going to edit a fast forward for us to see you go like road runner peeeeeowm , great video

    @dannyobrian5957@dannyobrian59574 жыл бұрын
  • you should trick out your homemade ebike with more small projects like the abs system! (Ex. power steering, dashboard, gyroscope.)

    @kurtisam@kurtisam5 жыл бұрын
  • The comparison at the end is really clear and striking. As a mech. eng. it is obvious to me but the general public need such proofs to avoid getting carried away by scams. And you did not mention how much energy it takes to 'charge' the battery... With compressed air at 230bar, you generate a lot of heat which is usually lost, while batteries are very efficiently charged.

    @jcugnoni@jcugnoni5 жыл бұрын
  • 2 on it but it begs for a tandem bike frame , and you could maybe do one where a air nozzle off a 3000 psi carbon fiber tank goes to a tesla turbine (?) or simple turbine but full pressure , so that it spins a mini but high power generator (maybe neodymium magnets , old style "induction" (?)for compactness or a dual electromagnet off itself generator ) to the electric motor for a turbo boost , short term like crossing bridges with peaks or hills , emergency get out the way or giddy up but in a burst seems good for air power too imo ...

    @BurntKittyForge-pl8ol@BurntKittyForge-pl8ol5 ай бұрын
  • Great start. Pity you didn't mount the tank at the normal height just clearing the wheel. Thinking of the greatest air power vehicles the trains for use inflammable areas, I believe they ran all day on one charge, is there anything you can learn from them? What about a radial multi cylinder diaphragm engine and gearbox?

    @colinbolton993@colinbolton9933 жыл бұрын
  • Possibly, could use the exhaust pressure itself to regulate the pressure? Like a light vane with a micro switch, and read the instant you open the exhaust valve.

    @bytesandbikes@bytesandbikes5 жыл бұрын
  • Get an air compressor that is suppose to run off a car battery, then replace the peddles with a generator. Add a high capacity battery that is being recharged as you go. Then optimize the bike to work with a constant rate from the air compressor with a throttle that can varry the speed to give you the ability to go really fast for a relatively short amount of time or at a brisk pace for possibly as long as you want. It depends on the requirements of the compressor and the output you can achieve with a foot peddle generator, but it could be awesome.

    @isaaclux2128@isaaclux21283 жыл бұрын
  • If you want least pressure at the full stroke of the piston , for me I would make a prechamber off the airchamber to the valve. The main air source would fill the chamber , which has a calculated volume in order to give whichever psi desired at full piston travel ...SO ALSO because having the pre valve smaller chamber ( similar to an airgun running on a seperate HPA tank ) you can control the pressure it activates the valve at also there as an extra control...BUT if it was me I'd use only the straight motion to the pedal and the rear sprocket flywheel allows pedal crank return , no issues....because you'd have a prechamber to the valve off the main air tank , AND the inline motion (which has less friction loss points ) you would simply time the valve speed also, because there's no "top dead center" (it uses a portion of the pedal stroke, the inline part and freewheels back , maybe while the other piston or motion activates ) ...so it's still maximum efficient except for some motor weight but like stated there's less friction and it has control by restiction of the air flow , by regulating the pressure the valve opens and by setting the valve speed by a throttle electronic of maybe variable resistor and a 555 chip then ... IMO...my .02 on it God Bless...

    @BurntKittyForge-pl8ol@BurntKittyForge-pl8ol5 ай бұрын
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