I recently upgraded to the Logitech G Pro Wheel and Pedals, which has some big hardware and quality of life improvements over the entry-level G29, such as a direct drive motor and load cell brake - offering an experience much closer to driving a real car.
It’s also 5x more expensive... So you’d be right to question if these upgrades have actually made me faster. In today’s video, I’ll be comparing an entry level wheel kit to a much more advanced system to find out if having better gear has made any significant improvement to my lap times.
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Better gear does not make you faster but it makes your hobby more enjoyable and therefore it makes you faster.
Of course it makes you faster. But he bought Logitech, so he just wasted his money.
@@janthey You obviously haven't even used the G Pro and are just speaking nonsense.
sooo it makes u faster?
@@EarthIsFlat456 I have a Simucube 2 Pro and before that I owned a Fanatec DD2. The Simucube is (except the SC2 Ultimate) the best wheelbase on the market. And Logitech is trash for Simracing, why is no pro (who isn't officially sponsored by Logitech) driving the G Pro? Ah, maybe because 11Nm isn't enough and the Simucube is miles better than this G29 brother. Look at the price for the G Pro set and what you can get from other companys. The G Pro will always be a bad product compared to others.
@@janthey There are plenty of people who can be really fast even with a G29 so if you need tons of torque to be fast then the issue isn't your gear it is your skill.
For those who dont know he got it mixed up. The logitech g29 is a gear driven wheel. It ranks 1. Direct drive (G pro) 2. Belt driven (T300 3. Gear driven (g29) with a few exceptions like hybrids.
You can get 90% of the way to the fastest lap times on any FFB wheel. The last 10% is where the gear starts to matter. I still drive on the G29. Been doing it for well over 4 years now and even though i only occasionally have tried some of my racing buddies DD wheels, each time i sit behind one, it takes no more than 3 laps to absolutely destroy my personal best times done on the G29. I talking dropping from mid 1.47s at Monza to mid 1.45s with the R8 GT3 Evo 2 in ACC. At Mount Panorama my personal best on the G29 is 2:00:200. Completely destroyed in the first flying lap with my buddy's Moza R16 to 1:58:122. But for me personally the difference is the biggest at the track i almost started hating for how slow i was compared to some other people - Spa. Was lapping consistent high 2:17 to low 2:18s on the G29, which dropped to 2:15:355 - over 3 seconds of improvement on a track famous with its technical corners. The combination of better feel through the wheel and the overall much better experience with the load cell pedal massively improves consistency. There are no moments when the wheel gets overwhelmed and starts clipping, missing vital traction information, leading to a slide or brake lock. Id say if you start with the G29 and get the bug, you should switch to DD wheel before you start hating the racing, because it's really frustrating when you know your limiting factor is the hardware.
Do you think the fanatec 8nm torque is sufficient?
@@ImLehwz It is, at least in my experience; I went for 8nm, PC version. If you're looking for Playstation compatibility, I'd think about going for the 15nm right away; as it's not that much of a price difference between 8nm PS compatible base, and 15nm (600$ vs 1000$). For PC, 8nm is 300$, so a massive difference in price - and I found 8nm to be more than enough strength for now. They say you start wanting more strength after a while, but haven't experienced that yet! Have in mind that the base is much better with lighter wheel rims like McLaren GT3 and WRC, compared to larger/heavier wheel rims. Pair the 8nm with these rims, and you shouldn't need more force; but if you're looking for heavy, 330mm wheel rims, maybe consider going for 12/15nm right away.
The G29 isn't belt driven its gear driven unless there was an update. B'se I had one and then moved tp T300 which is actually belt driven and it was a night and day upgrade with noticable improvements. Can't wait to move to DD tho that will be down the line when I upgrade from a kick stand style rig to a sim cockpit( could be built or foldable like those in your video).
Yep, you’re absolutely right - my mistake!
Amazing video as always! You may or may not remember me from the livestream but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed it and think you should stream more often.
This is the most professional video I've seen on the topic. You're a legend, keep it flat out. Also the Pro Wheel/Pedals on ACC is god-tier.
He got the specs wrong on the g29, its not belt driven.
Now let's see if VR makes you faster 😉
with vr, i can judge distance a lot easier without thinking. not that I do much thinking as it is.
You should've tried driving with the dualsense using the gyro steering as another option. That's how I play with GT7 and it's really great. The hapticks are good enough to give you details about how your car drives and behaves on different road surfaces with the benefit of steering the car like you would with real steering wheel.
We had a G29 and moved to the G Pro wheel and pedals, no going back after driving with a DD wheel and load cell pedals. Massive difference. Pro wheel/pedals also the most fun.
JORGE! This is one of the Best SIM Rig Comparisons videos EVER! And I've been into this for over 12 years. Only problem is I am with Team FANATEC!
Good on ya mate - seems like a decent channel
Biggest difference I found going from a G920 to a 23nm DD was my ability to catch slides and mistakes. The immediacy and power of the DD makes it obvious what the car is doing and makes it a lot easier to feel the limit of grip. You can be just as fast with an elastic band wheel as you can with a high end DD. It will just take you unimaginably longer to find the ideal inputs with no feedback to go on.
Thank you for this content 🎉
I use ratchet straps on my play seat trophy to prevent the pedals from sliding away over time! Takes away from the aesthetics a bit but must needed IMO
I’ll have to check this out!
Ratchet straps?
playseat is a scam imo, I'm able to get an aluminium profile rig for like half the price
@@PeteLambert13 Thank you!
@@IgnitionP not everyone wants or can accomdate an aluminum profile rig. Playseat is not a scam
2:06 not related, but would appreciate if you could share where you got your wall slats from
i started with a G29 (not belt driven) and upgraded to a thrustmaster TGT2 (belt driven) just the other day, the difference between the two are absolutely amazing, i’ve found myself starting to try manual and getting to used to it quite fast, the force feedback on the thrustmaster is absolutely bob on, it’s much more immersive, i drive in VR also and have a trophy playseat, it definitely helps having good equipment, this weekend i raced about 1500 miles on GT7 😂💀
Same here mate. TGT2 is awesome, except the Noise it makes, its pretty annoying for me. As soon as i connect it the noisy Fans start blowing at highest RPM and keeps spinning all the Time. It sucks so hard that i had to start using Headphones. Now im looking into changing to the Logitech Pro Wheel but i absolutely hate that there is no decent Shifter from Logitech :( This fact is still keeping me away from changing. Is your TGT2 as noisy as mine ? Greetings !
@@-tom-tronic- how long have you owned yours for? mines is fine, i’ve only owned it for 4 days upto now 😂can hear it on when i fire up GT7, doesn’t disturb me gaming though :) proper made up with it though 💯💪
@@danburdekinI have it for about a Year now. As soon as i connect it to the Console the Fans fire up in my Wheel Base. Not sure if its suppose to be like that. Maybe i got a faulty Base. Its working alright tho. If at least the Fans would turn off sometimes but they are pretty much blasting all the Time at Max RPM. Thx for the Answer man !
I also own a Playseat Trophy and had the same Problem that the bottom part moves away from the seat while Racing. I tried Fiber Grip and for me it solved the problem.
Hi. Where did you get the Fiber Grips?
Wow, great review. If it can improve your speed over the g29, then for me, it might be worth upgrading at some point. Because on spa using my g29, my best speed is 2.17.753, and i would love to improve that, like you say, you can't always feel when you're losing the rear end off your car from a corner .
Haha now is probably a good time to say your mileage may vary, but I do think the load cell pedal is a big help when it comes to trail braking - something I always struggled with on the G29.
@JorgePowell yeah that trail breaking is what's missing on the g29. If you don't mind what's your gt7 name I'm just trying to add people who are good. My gt7 is Mimmzy_46 name.
The question is not if it makes you faster, but it makes more fun. It’s all about immersion. Great Video, btw! Very well produced. 👍
faster IS more fun. :P
@@8triagrammerSo is immersion, which is the selling point of sim rigs in general. Controllers just make virtual driving easier.
Great video bro! Love the McLaren shirt btw
Thank you mate! I actually found it in Hollister, great find 😄
Yes it does, especially loadcell pedals.
Amazing content. Your content is amazing you look like a friendly guy. :D
So I did some quick computations; assuming I copied all the numbers and orders correctly... All of your average times are statistically significant (based on 95% confidence intervals). So if an average time shown is the fastest, then it is the fastest (outside a < 5% chance of random chance that it isn't). The Pro wheel was the fastest 4 out of the 6 tracks, the G29 was fastest at one track (Mt. Panorama) while the Dual Sense was the fastest at one track (Red Bull Ring). What's also interesting, however, is the confounding factor you pointed out in your video; when the Pro wheel was used first (IE the order in which the various control types was used). I'm going to call them stints here (1st stint, 2nd stint, 3rd stint). You were never the fastest on your 1st stint, you were fastest on your 2nd stint 2 out of 6 times (Daytona and Trial Mountain), and you were the fastest on your 3rd stint 4 out of 6 times. The 2 with the 2nd stint being fastest was set using the Pro Wheel. You were slowest on your 1st stint on all tracks except one (Red Bull Ring) where you ran with the Pro wheel.
Thanks for sharing this! Ideally I would have created a larger data set by setting more laps on each tracks while alternating controllers a few times to offset the effect of extra practise/confidence. Always happy to take feedback on board for future videos 👌🏼
Wow thats a pretty big gain lol massive actually.
Yes, but only with the advantage of a few extra laps practise too! I think the outcome would have been the same regardless but I don’t think the delta would have been as large if I had given myself more time to produce a larger data set 👌🏼
@JorgePowell true but the improvement is there. And at this level that much is plenty. It's worth it tbh even if it was 1/10th a lap haha.
@@reviewforthetube6485 very fair!
there is a big difference, it does make you faster, gt7 isn't the best game to test it on and logitech doesn't make the best direct drive wheel. but, and the big big but, you don't need to spend the money to enjoy it. the cheapest stuff will allow you to have fun and enjoy it.
VR all the way!
If you are slower with good gear compared to lower grade gear (G29 and gamepad) it means your skill and driving understanding up to pace to utilize the good gear. Basically We should start with a "cheap" wheel that is G29 or thrustmaster T300 and learn to drive a wheel. Both wheels will crap on lack of advanced FFB sensations that would indicate what's going on but these 2 wheels are cheap enough and defacto good enough to train you and teach you all the fundamentals of fast driving. Learning proper car racing, your ability to hold the car with the wheel, corrections etc etc... Then after a year or two when you feel you aren't improving anymore and you already are racing within a second or two per lap from fastest drivers in the world is the good indicator that you acquired everything you can using these wheels and is time to upgrade to something good and advanced like direct drive from logitech fanatec simucube (you name it) with a good load cell brake as then you already have the fundamentals of what it means to drive fast and what its like to drive fast with all the techniques becoming second nature... that you can extrapolate all that extra the good gear offers you like much better FFB, smooth response, good and pressure tech brakes etc... And best of all... If you are still there driving if not every day or every 2 - 3 days after a year or two with G29 or T300 it means you survived the hype and like to race so it is SAFE to invest into expensive gear that you will use instead of feeling remorse because you don't like to race and wasted all that money.
I think it saves your back in the long run anyway 😂
2000$ for jusr five sec is crazy and i know it feels better but still
Having a sim rig adds immersion and makes sim driving more fun, but that's about it
you could buy simagic, fanatec or moza gear, but you decided to buy logitech, its been like 2 years and they never released wheels or upgrades for their eco system.. you could buy better for the same price and cockpit
Forza and a Xbox controller has been fun as fuck for hundreds of hours to me!
I’m super glad! Imagine how much fun you’d have on a rig 🤩
@@JorgePowell I want one, but it’ll be a while before I can afford it!
Would have went for a moza or fanatec system for that money
Moza isn’t PlayStation compatible unfortunately, also you should check out my previous videos 👀
Short answer yes. Long answer that's what these videos are for.
$2,500 for a lawn chair rig, no way!!!
The prices are for complete configurations, with pedals and steering wheels.... the Logitech steering wheel is not cheap
Pedals do, but not wheels they just make it more fun
Yes it does
I would love to get the Pro Wheel and change from my Thrustmaster TGT2, which is a very good Wheel btw. But my only BIG Problem is the Shifter. I love to drive manual shifted Cars in GT7 and the Thrustmaster Shifter is one of the best on the Market and it feels so Amazing. I dont understand Logitech, releasing the Pro Wheel and Pedals but no Pro Shifter ? Having to use this toyish little crappy feeling Logitech Shifter is absolutely awful and no Option for me :(
Agreed. Although you can upgrade the Logitech shifter with after market parts which make it feel more notchy
@@annekarice1587Ok, didnt knew that. I will have a look at it. Thx !
Thats why i also bought the TGT2 bcos of the shifter which i already owned. I have the cheapest pedals for 80$~, which actually is the most important thing if u wanna be fast. But still the lap i made recently on spa was 2m17.1s with BMW, or 1.58.7 on suzuka so the best way is to invest in some adapter box that could allow u to use fanatec pedals. U can significantly improve your driving experience
@@maveric19871 I have the TLCM Loadcell Pedals from Thrustmaster. They are very good. I modded them with washers and stiffer elastomers to my personal likings. I also have a Drive Hub Adapter already but i hate this Adapter Stuff. Sometimes works very good sometimes it takes time to get everything connected and working properly. 🤷🏻♂️ Greetz
The G29 & 920 are gear driven. Not belt. Belt & Direct Drive are more high end.
You are 2 fast 2 handsome.
The brakes. That's what matters most. I mean, direct drive wheels give more feedback, sure, but there's NOTHING holding back your racing than a lack of braking control
They do... just
Is not about the fastest for me it's all about the immersion, I want to feel inside a cockpit of a race car , behind the wheel , very close to the ground , some people don't care about this , they only care about competition and to be fast at possible, we al different
Yep, I also touched on this 😌
Your missing the psvr2 , it will make your experience 10 x better.
You should check out my previous uploads 😉
Literally Pay to Win! PTW! :)x
Fair conclusion, but from my experience lobby's are super competitive and even a differenc eof 0.5 to 1.0 per lap means a 5-10 second lead for a 10 lap race. Sim racing is Pay to win
Yeah of course, hopefully this video contributes something helpful to the conversation at least 😌
The answer is always in real life experience Does hardware and setups matter in real racing? Yeah, they do. Put the top F1 driver in bottom of the barrel car, he will win zero races. Put the top Nascar driver in the worst car and pit crew, he's going to win zero races. So the same will be said in sim racing. If you're racing against the same level opponents, but they have better hardware and in race setups, they will beat you. Sim racing really ends up being pay to win (with some minor exceptions), just like real life racing
its not the wheel its the brakes!
If you only want to get faster, invest in some good load cell pedal. But to enjoy your new load cell pedal, you need it to not move, so invest in a solid rig. Now, your wheel looks like a toy, so invest in a DD wheel. Now you are sitting too far away of your monitor, so invest in a bigger monitor. Enjoy your 2k debt.
Why does every video like this talk about if it's faster? what about as close to real life car as possible? that is what I care about at least
Did you even watch the video? 😂
@@JorgePowellNonetheless a sim rig does make the experience more fun and enjoyable from the added immersion, that's what's fun about it.
the g29 is gear driven, not belt, the Logitech pro wheel and pedals, I understand that they work with Xbox, there are much much better options for that ungodly price tag
like which ones? I want a good wheel for ACC on Series X
@@cpte.3800 thrustmaster t300 is the lowest i'd ever go, and above that is anything moza, or the thrustmaster direct drive wheel base
I would say for a majority of people that would make them slower.
i got the g920 whit shifter and it cost me arround 300 euro`s
Belt driven g29? Its gear driven
Sponsored by Logitech lol
Nope, just enjoy their products 👍🏼
No.
Your times are so inconsistent and so far from pace that I don't think you are the right person to be doing this experiment. You need to know how to drive to really take advantage of a direct drive wheel and loadcell pedals where you might be more than a second faster because of how you can read over and understeer and the speed at which you can correct an oversteery car and push it to the limit. Anyone reading this, direct drives and specially loadcell pedals or active pedals will make you faster as you can be much more precise and consistent with your inputs. But none of that matters if you don't know how to trail break or induce under or oversteer, so you are better off investing in driving lessons and you'll get faster times regardless of the hardware (which the guy in the video should)
Gran Turismo is a horrible game to test this out as it is not very realistic. The fact is, you can be equally as quick with both gear driven or direct drives even in proper simulators, but if you use them to transfer your skill to a real car, then direct drive is the way to go
GT is an "arcade game". Try on a real sim.
There are much better wheel base choices and Rig choices for less money. For instance the CSL DD and elite v2 pedals are substantially better than the new Logitech base (which is way overpriced IMO). Just did'nt wanna turn off beginners thinking it costs this much for a decent setup. It's not cheap... but a great experience can be had for a decent price!