Asus ROG Ally Gets AMD Frame Generation... But Does It Work Well?
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For me, lossless scaling framegen starts working really well at +40fps base. LS framegen from 60fps base to 120fps feels absolutely magical!
This is because 40fps is actually half way to 60fps in terms of frame times. Also LSFG 2.0 is a huge improvement
Lossless Scaling works so much better at my Ally than FG. In Mafia DE and DS 3 its working wonders. Mafia runs at 30 fps and highest Details and Lossless does not generate artifacts, or are rarely noticable. FG disabling in motion kills it for me. Image Quality is really important for me and Lossless does it suprisingle well
I recently completed Gears 5, playing the first half with AFMF and the second half of the game using lossless scaling, amd lossless scaling was much better. MUCH BETTER.
I like how everyone chuckled at Rich saying "AFMF." It's almost like they're all thinking something similar... "Augmented Frames, Mother..." 😂
I consider AMD's frame gen to be unusable on the ROG ally due to the massive added input lag and the Ally's generally not super high starting framerate. A lot of people seem happy with it, though.
You don’t even have one to complain about smh
I completely agree. I tried playing Cyberpunk with an FSR3 mod even, doing 30 fps to 60 fps and the input delay was so terrible for that game, I couldn't even drive properly or aim quickly. It is much better just playing with a 30 fps cap. Also tried 60 fps to 120 fps which worked better, but didn't add any responsiveness. Most people doing frame gen are people who don't care about game responsiveness and just want the game to look smoother, but the reason I want high fps is for better responsiveness, not for simply a smooth screen.
@@snakeface5652frame generation simply can’t improve input lag (quite the opposite), it just adds smoothness and some artifacts. The technique is usable at 30fps, better to use above 60 fps. It adds that 120 Hz screen smoothness that you can’t achieve at 60 fps. But REAL 120 Hz it’s another history.
@@snakeface5652literally impossible for frame Gen to improve "responsiveness"" which is why it's such a dumb technology.
@@ChurpGamingI don't think it's impossible why couldn't future iterations improve upon input latency penalties.
can't wait for a switch 2 showcase, a native nvidia handheld with native support for dlss and frame generation, the potential is great.
would it work with an external gpu plugged in or do you need to use the inbuilt gpu?
Always wanted to give this a try but the fact that it completely disables itself arbitrarily is a deal breaker, I'd absolutely hate that, I'd prefer motion artifacts or other "bad looking" things than that jarring switch back and forth.
You don't even notice it if it's a slow paced game. Even jedi survivor I don't really notice it when it cuts out. And it improves that game significantly for me 4k epic with epic RT at 120 FPS. Just feels like 120 FPS for me. And I know what that feels like cos have high refresh rate monitor and TV. Feels the same. Except I couldn't run those settings at 4k with it turned off at anything like a good experience. Vids on my channel for proof don't care if people look. Just my source. I don't care for views etc. My channels just my gameplay cos got accused of fishing for likes and views once lol. But it's just there if you need to see proof.
@@Steelninja77survivor runs like that?
And for being a computer handheld you know it makes it where even with the imperfections it still runs smooth
I'm struggling with this on FM it seems to crash my game but I did up the FPS to 60 so I may give it a go on 30fps. Looking forward to trying it on AW2 though
Honestly it works pretty well with a 720p Output aside games that hammer bandwidth even at 720 (Granblue Fantasy Relink.etc)
Is relink rough on the Ally? I wanted to get it on there.
@@thepews1511 it kinda is locked at 30-40fps at 15W at 720p and even 30W 1080p is
@@Alovon sheesh that's not it looks like I'm locked to PS5. Thanks for the breakdown 🍻
@@thepews1511 TBH it looks and plays well at 30-40 on the ROG Ally. The 1-120hz VRR screen puts in a lot of work. But yeah, I do wonder how FSR would help the performance though
I think it sucks. I mean you can pretty much only look at the game for it to work. If you move too fast or rotate the camera it stops working and the game will just jojo up and down in fps. Its terrible
Your point is flawed. In fast motion everything is a blur anyways, so FPS in that split second is not relevant. As soon as you stop the fast camera motion then the FPS goes straight back up. And these silly guys is using it on a 35 FPS base, which is ridiculous.
@@DwaynedaGamer Its not just on "fast motion" tho is it? The image basically has to be still for it to work. Its completely meaningless since virtually no games are still images. And its not a split second either. The fps will be at its base value for as long as there is action on screen. In Cyberpunk that is an entire firefight. Or for maybe a few seconds, then back up, then back down for a few seconds, then back up. It makes it a mess imho. It made me motion sick
Agreed. Even DLSS 3 isn't great on a mid-range desktop. This tech has a long way to go
@@XxPetexXx you guys must have another version, because action on screen doesn't turn it off, only moving the camera quickly reduces FPS, and only vigorously does it revert back to base fps. That split second is a blur, so FPS doesn't matter in that case. And as soon as you stop, then the FPS climbs straight back up. It is also not a performance enhancer, it is there to make the on screen motion a lot smoother, which it does. Turn off the FPS counter, I think it distracts people from actually playing a game in Normal fashion.
@@DwaynedaGamer Maybe I need to try more games with it. But I definitely notice the FPS going like a jojo up and down
Does bugger all for alan wake 2 which I was guttered about
recently, Lossless Scaling update new version of frame gen, which work great at based 30 FPS now
AFMF is great with games with no camera movement from the player, like Diablo IV or Eiyuden Chronicles. Basically games with top-down view. Side scrolling games might be fine as long as the action isn't too heptic. But for FPS games or third person view games, it's not that good.
Ls amazing 1070. Still running. Rivertuner to lock FPS and Nvidia v sync on and boost on
These tools are definitely game specific, but overall Ally users are using these tools fairly often, with good success. AFMF and Frame Generation are game specific even on a competent desktop gaming rig, so I was surprised to see so few games tested with Lossless Scaling.
Was able to get on cod 230fps with the xg mobile and the rog ally on low graphics using amd 3.0 1080p
Heads up all. A huge Lossless Scaling update 2.8 dropped today! Make sure you are running the latest beta as the Stable version has issues. Introducing LSFG 2.0 - Enhanced architecture for processing large-scale movements, enabling efficient usage at lower frame rates. Hence, the minimum recommended base frame rates are 30/40 for 1080p/1440p resolutions respectively, with 60 FPS and higher recommended for an optimal experience. - Noticeable reduction of common artifacts such as motion ghosting, edge distortion, and image blurring. In cases where artifacts persist, it is advisable to increase the base frame rate. - GPU load has increased by 1.5 - 2x depending on the resolution. Therefore, a new 'Performance' mode has been added to preserve the performance of the previous version. It retains all the main advantages of the quality version and surpasses the LSFG 1.1, all at the same speed.
Please cover lossless scaling 2.8! BTW dlss3 did worse than lsfg on Forbidden west for me, the only issue with that is hdr becomes wonky. When running on sand in that game the dlss fg artifacts on that is so horrendous, lsfg didn't have that issue
I would love to see you install and do an in-depth analysis of the Bazzite distro with the Steam Deck and ROG Ally.
Works great with RPG's and more stationary games. Or games where you already get decent frames. Lets you bump up quality a bit too.
I'm getting a pretty good experience with it decent increase overall in fps, I don't know why so many people are having issues
frame gen is basically like streaming the game, you got increased latency, artifacts and blurry image. In current shape it is unusable but maybe in the future it will be awesome who knows
after trying this function for a day I turn it off. I feel like the frame rate got worse not better with this function.
Remember, this video is getting feedback up and out to help improve the AMD technology... 2-5 years handheld will be a mainstream thing everyday, everywhere
Ark Ascended has terrible performance, but it looks really good sometimes. That game drops to 30 fps pretty often on a 4070 Super using epic settings at 1440p, but with frame gen it stays around 50-60 and both looks and feels much better to me. That game isn't probably a great example of anything, but it is Unreal 5 and it does seem much better to me.
Our visual cortex automatically smooths out games (running 30 fps) just like it smooths out movies that are chopped up into pieces. If I focus on how bad the movie is cut up I will find it annoying.
When they were saying why lossless looked bad, I didn't see it at all. I think the average guy isn't going to notice any of that artifacting or other issues. If youre a big tech guy yea probably you will.
On youtube you won't see it's the compression takes aways details.
@@2greenifythat guy seen it instantly on the video,so what's your point?
You can see the wavey stuff pretty easily I have an ally. Unless it is hitting 60fps and isn't a fast pace game it ain't worth it.
I didn’t notice at first until they pointed out the halo around the character when rotating the camera. I think it’s one of those things that once you see it you can’t unsee it.
@@psvitaoled197 yeah because they're not watching it on a KZhead video you bot. 😂
It definitely helps with FF7 Remake
I experimented both AMD and nVidia frame generation on Cyberpunk 2077, running on a low end gaming laptop (Core i5 13gen + RTX 4050) and the nvidia offered a much, much, much, much more smoother 60fps experience than AMD (using external tools, of course). And I also noticed this same behavior on several other games I tested. nVidia FG works much better than AMD FG in delivering a smoother gameplay experience while under 60fps. Only when the game runs, natively, above 60fps, the AMD FG starts to show somewhat good results.
This is different and worse than those implementations.
framegen from AMD ist just a marketing gimmick, it doesn't help with slow input processing, that's the metric you feel when playing a game, not its FPS when it comes to fluidity.
Hello. (sorry for bad english)
That’s bs, how TF is a portable game system getting frame generation and the big consoles aren’t powerful enough lol?
Lossless scaling artifacts are a non issue for me on such a small screen. I’m happy to be able to vsync @ 30 fps and frame gen up to 60 fps. To me that’s the real benefit of LS. Games that have it built in like Immortals of Aveum look awful because the fps is all over the place. I really think frame gen is going to improve and be widely used in the near future.
I think we tend to forget that what us and Digital Foundry are doing is actually nitpicking. Yes we’re professional nitpickers 😂. The vast majority of games actually perform and look really well. As in the average person isn’t going to notice any of the problems they talk about. Just trained eyes(heavy gamers) and analysts such as DF. Theres VERY few games that are so broken that the average person would notice. The average person is the baseline for if a games performance is acceptable or not, not us techys lol
You are right because our visual cortex automatically smooth out video games running 30 fps just like our visual cortex smooths out movie chopped up into many pieces. Of course if I focus on how bad the movie is cut up I will find it annoying. But the vast majority will sit back and enjoy the movie. This is how gamers survived with the early consoles on CRT TV.
@@smidlee7747 in a way you could say our brains have their own anti aliasing, frame gen etc. and something even more advanced than those things to smooth out movie cuts 😂
@@terellkid1 That's right. Our knowledge of the brain have help advantage technology and AI. Computer engineers knows what seems simple is very complex when they try to program an AI to do what our brain can do. They first believe because a fly brain is small it would be simple. They were wrong there is nothing simple about a fly's brain as it's brain cells multi-task a lot more than a human brain.
Steamdeck
Eye test due?
Never heard of it
I just bought Rog Ally and Lenovo Legion Go on April 27. 2 Amazing PC handheld. I am going to sell my 512gb lcd Steam Deck and get the 1tb oled model.
Just curious, I own a shit ton of gaming gadgets too. But those are very similar devices. Just curious why you got both of those? I’m a ROG ALLY owner
@chrisbrown113096 rog ally and Lenovo Legion Go was on sale on best buy. That's why I bought it
@@chrisbrown113096 so that he could come here and leave pointless comments like this. 😂🤡
@@chrisbrown113096I owned the Ally and changed to the LLG, the bigger screen and two USB’S make a huge difference, not to mention the mousepad and eGPU support. I have a 3060Ti and it’s a blast connected 🤩
Tldr mid
AMD fake frames..yuck..yuck..such a poo implementation. We need a Nividia hand-held portable PC with a much better frame generation and upscaling technology.. The Nintendo Switch 2 has the potential to do better
No it doesn’t, it didn’t run x86 AAA games so…no.
@@ricarmig it's inferior to the implementation Nividia are doing by a country mile..the artifacting is atrocious
@@mrwalker6026 it doesn’t matter if Nvidia’s implementation is better if the handheld (switch) can’t play the most important games. As long as both Nvidia and Qualcomm and Apple have no x86 processors or a perfect x86 to ARM translation (DRM software, games/OS), AMD/Intel chips are the only options, from which AMD is better. The SW will improve over time
@@ricarmig it's very clear that Nividia are way better..and I mean waaauyy better than AMD in terms of PC hardware...if Sony and Xbox could get a better partnership with Nividia like Nintendo do then we would be living in a much better space in terms of gaming
ROG isn't an Acronym. It stands for Republic of Gamers. A line of ASUS products directed at gamers. Incorrect: Rog Ally. Correct: R.O.G. Ally
Its junk, stuttery mess
I don't know why but whenever df talking about amd stuf they just laugh for no reason . These people are really Nvidia shells 😂😂
Shells?
Frame-Gen is just a sad excuse for not properly optimizing games. #SadFact
More to do with the industry being hell bent on RT at all costs even if most hardware is incapable of doing it well. So, now we have to deal with all these various forms of software trickery to make games run acceptably.
Let's you game at high refresh rates on low end GPUs.
I'm old school, so have to play everything native, that's why I have 4 monitors connected to my pc, one for each resolution. Frame gen and FSR is absolutely horrible.
Nah that is upscaling. Frame gen is not widely adopted yet luckily. A few years ago we had native 4k nowadays native 4k doesn't exist unless you own a 4080 or 4090 (and even then Digital Foundry do benchmarks on 4090s at 720p for some reason) Frame gen ruining games the way upscaling happened is luckily years away
@@alumlovescakeframe gen and FSR are 2 different things, both suck if you care about crystal clear picture and low input latency without getting screen tearing of any sort. You would be surprised how many on this planet that play at 1360x768p on a "720p" TV or monitor.
Amaf is not good on rog handheld 😂😂😂😂 as if any one playing on rog handheld
i cannot stand the weird judder that amd frame generation produces. it makes me physically ill.