Even Cersei Felt Bad About Sansa Having To Marry Tyrion 😨
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Did you know in the books even Cersei felt bad for Sansa marrying Tyrion? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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Cersei empathizing even a little is somehow stranger than ice monsters and fire-breathing lizards.
Bro she don't give a flying "F", you really need to go re-read the books, she also instructed a Kingsguard to drag her along if she doesn't want to come willingly.
@user-qv4bp7vg6u I know it's more of a placating thing, but the fact she even pretends is weird. Also don't know why but my other replies won't send.
@@aegorbittersteel2154 maybe it has few keywords that's flaged on KZhead
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@user-qv4bp7vg6u That's weird.I figured maybe it was something I said, so one of my responses was just that I would love that and thank you, and it still didn't go through.
I don't think this shows that she felt bad for Sansa. It just shows how much she hates Tyrion.
Little did Cersie know that "The Imp" was much better than her "Golden boy".
Not that much...
@@danyelpeter1376 a lot better if truth be told.
Oh definitely. But she is also incredibly vain. Cersei would rather be beaten by someone beautiful than have to share a bed with a dwarf who could be kind to her. Like her father, she really cares about appearances.
@@BobbyB_Baratheonmaybe in the show, def not in the books
Jaime is on a redemtion arc in the books while Tyrion is on a deredemtion arc.
This is more insulting Tyrion than feeling bad for Sansa.
The way she felt bad for her when Tyrion was the only one who was kind to her 💀
Thats mostly a show thing, he wasnt rude but to say he was kind will over strech If he was kind he would've send her back in exchange for Kevan sons
@@flavius5722 Makes sense, I gotta admit I never read the books so there you go lol
@@flavius5722Things aren’t that simple mate lol.
@@flavius5722he put himself on the line to stop Joffrey from torturing her publicly in the throne room. No one else did it because they were afraid as Joffrey was already the king. He also refused to consummate the marriage until she wanted, gaining a lot of extra familiar tension with his father that was demanding him to do so and get her pregnant for obvious political reasons. PLUS extra mockery from the court because everyone knew how they didn’t sleep together not even once. AND the extra risk he took by threatening Joffrey on Tyrion’s wedding night when Joffrey went to take Sansa’s clothes off, clearly meaning to abuse this marriage tradition. Tyrion put himself on the line for Sansa, a girl everyone abused and looked down or was just overall omissive towards the abuse she suffered because of her hostage situation. Yes, considering all this context, Tyrion went against his own benefits to treat her right and to be kind to her. No one else had the courage to do so. Not only Joffrey was king but he was also a sadistic cruel person that already hated his uncle. Despite her young age and visual repulsive towards him, Sansa recognise that with time, that he was a decent man and he was the only one that protected her against Joffrey and further abuse at the court.
@@Tavares-12341) Not quite , you take some things from the show that didnt happen in the books or at least I don't remember 2)This is not the point I want to make ,she has all the reasons to be upset marryng him is bounding her at KL and as Lannister slave forever , and just because he is nicer than Jofrey thst dosen't mean she want to marry her , especialy he is double her age , drunk all the time , and of he dosen't want to marry her either, 3) there is no reason he coudn't sent her back to her family in exchange for Kevan son's when he was hand Why are you trying to downplay the cringe of the subject ?
It's kind of ironic that Tywin was planning on doing the same to Cersei and you know she would have had a fit. It does make Cersei interesting considering how she didn't try to lie or soften the reality of Sansa's situation and status as a woman.
I mean, it’s because she gets off on upsetting people. She got joy from the whole thing. When she had her own best seamstresses come make Sansa a beautiful ivory gown “now that she’s a woman with a woman’s body” and got Sansa all grateful for her generosity and excited for how pretty she’d look, when really it was Cersei’s way of sneakily making her wedding dress…she thought those things were funny. Just like when Loras got gravely injured taking Dragonstone and Cersei wanted to be the one to tell Margaery. She acted so sad and empathetic but she was loving every minute of it, even being able to taste her tears when she kissed her on the cheek. She also led Margaery to believe he was already dead for quite a while before changing her wording and then Margaery realized he was actually still alive and got so pissed at her. Cersei thought it was hysterical. Book Cersei is such an evil brat.
@@lindsay9838but she probably saw herself in Sansa a bit as well as hated her due to prophecy sadly we didn’t get her pov early on
Westeros is so sexist towards Women. Women can't even consent to marriage. They either agree to it or be forced into a church.
Book cercei is so fascinating, albeit delusional. She hates women, hates being a woman and how differently she is treated than Jaime, and she takes it out on other women. She has an absolutely insane, violent level of internalized misogyny. It makes sense for her tbh.
The marriage of Sansa and Tyrion is totally different from books to show. In the book Tyrion tried to bed Sansa even climbing on top of her being already naked and ready to take her only retreating in the ladt moment. And he described as a reallly ugly person in the books not even comparable to handdome Peter Dinklage.
I feel she was rather dragging Sansa down and making fun of her misery. The show made Cersei a little more complex because she seemed to genuinely empathise with Sansa when she was to marry Joffrey.
I wish they would have shown the moment of her trying to resist and maybe her saying to herself to be brave because she was a Stark! Since obviously we don’t hear characters thoughts lol. It’s such a small detail but I think it speaks so much.
Meanwhile Tyrion treating Sansa with utmost care, respect and protectivness possible. He was amazing to her, probably the best arranged marriage you could get
Not in the books.
@@thebirdNhow did he treat her in the books?
@@thebirdNI don't recall it being _that_ horrendous in the books
@JS-ss1en he wasn't the worst in the books but he's not as nice as he is on the show, he wanted her, it got the point where they were both naked and he groped her then noticed she really didn't want to do it and stopped. He got annoyed with how courteous she was being the whole time
@@Mich-vi2vc thank you
Remember Cersei’s “P-envy” she pities Sansa, not just empathizes. And that one deuche is just telling her “Do what your told and don’t make a fuss” remember what Viserys I said in HotD, “Not even I can refuse the customs of tradition” everyone just plays their parts as either gears or machines.
I wonder what would have happened if Sansa had chosen to marry Lancel? I think both would have been happier.
True
What you're quoting is more like rubbing it in than feeling bad for her.
This scene of Sansa trying to run is analogous to when Cersei tries to run when she is arrested.
She didnt felt bad at all ,she just try to put salt on the wound And this is probably the most stupid plan Tywin ever had , the lords of the North will never accet Tyrion as lord
Not Tyrion...but the grandson of Ned Stark they probably would.
@@thegreatpage5912exactly, that's why he was so adamant about Tyrion getting her pregnant
@@thegreatpage5912 Not as long as he called himself Lannister, and if he dont grow up in the North
@@flavius5722 Since it would be inheriting it’s mother’s ancestral lands and titles. The kid will most likely take the Stark name.
He only feels bad because that happened to her. It isnt sincere.
SHE not he. DERP
Yet she felt bad for Sansa not out of simpathy for her, but out of spite for Tyrion.
Sansa pry could of talked her into ☠️ her brother. Little finger tried but offed King Joffery instead
Nobody ever mentions that Tyrion was forced into the marriage just as Sansa was.
Except in the books he wasn't. Tyrion was given a choice between Sansa and an older less attractive woman of lower status. Tyrion picked Sansa because he didn't want to have an unattractive wife and desired Sansa's claim to the north. Book!Tyrion is one of those "nice guys" who gets upset when women don't reward them for doing the bare minimum.
Not even remotely comparable. He owned her, and he was allowed to have as many mistresses and lovers as he wanted. A man holds every shred of power in arranged marriages in this society
@@emilybarclay8831 - Clearly, not every shred because he didn't have the power to say "no" to the marriage. You should learn to look at both sides and consider them.
@@stareyedwitch - That is force. When someone else lowers your options to 2, and one of those options is clearly less attractive and of lower status, then it is a false choice. That is akin to saying "do it or I kill you." Your choices are 1) do it and 2) die. You are being forced. I haven't read the books. In the show Tyrion was forced to marry Sansa by his father. Judging from what you have told me, he was forced to marry her in the books as well.
@@darriuscole8544 he’s able to live life as if he’s not married. What’s the difference?
She wasn't empathising with her. Instead, she was gas-lighting against her would-be husband.
The only reason Cersei felt bad is because she always hated her little brother, not for any real sympathy, if you ask me.
After her father's death there were exactly two people who sincerely tried to help her, Sandor and Tyrion. She feared the first and loathed the second.
The word stark actually means strong (german?)
The one with the grotesque appearance was still more honourable than the handsome Prince
Little Dove
She’s only 12 here. Which is pretty heartbreaking … I think people also forget that tyrion still orders her to undress even though he recognises she’s “still a child” but “he wants her” and when he asks sansa if that frightens her, she says “yes.” It’s not until he’s on top of her and groping her breasts that he realises how terrified she is, so he stops. - I’m glad the show dialled it down and made tyrion a lot more noble in that regard.
Cersei hates Tyrion because of her own mother, and that is the way she is, she's resentful, and her marriage sucked, so why shouldn't somebody else's?
Better the loathsome imp than Cersi's serial killer son.
Never read the books but Tyrion was not a bad person. Out of every Lannister (other than Tommen) she was the kindest, Jamie eventually became nice
Its odd that kettleblack was the one who was nice
What chapter was this?
Was that empathising? Sounded like rubbing salt in her wound.
Yes because I read the books.
What she really feels about Sansa, we can read it in the books, in her Walk of Shame chapter.
I mean if Tyrion didn’t have dwarfism, Cersei would’ve probably tried to recruit him as a sibling trouple 🤢
okay hearing about the books after watching the show cersei seems worse in the books
Cersei felt bad for Sansa for marrying Tyrion but not ler little monster son eho mistreated and humiliated her every time he had the chance? 🙄
Can't be worse than Joff, eh Sansa?
Do Sansa and Tyrion consummate their marriage in the books?
Of her 3 potential/actual husbands, Tyrion was Prince Charming
Who was the third? Willas?
Aaahhh, forgot about Ol' Ram
Sansa the show's punching bag
Linus❤
Marrying Tyrion = winning the game
Sansa is so Tully most of the time. Considering it was mostly Cat who raised her since Ned gives up at daughters, luckily Arya is Arya xD. I mean, the way she navigates around this intricate world, wary of anyone could be of harm to her, yep, Riverlander's behavior. But she is still a Stark, and those rare moments that she embraces her Stark side, goosebumps.
Please she's more tully than she is a stark and it shows
Not very good actors where u get them from wish do better