Hydrogen Fuel Cell - Is Hydrogen Car the Future? + Electrolysis
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🔥Learn how to make the Electrolysis process and obtgain Hydrogen and Oxygen. Them learn how a fuel cell works and create electical energy using those gases. A fuel cell creates electricity using hydrogen. The hydrogen car works with fuel cells.
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Did you put the original video or just your copy?
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The way you explain with the help of animations is very unique and helps to understand alot.
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Very good explanation & visualisation - Thanks!!!!
Very cool to see the whole cycle !
The problem with fuel cell is they are too expensive also the storage is expensive too and too heavy, i believe that hydrogen is the fuel of future but we still have to work on fuel cell and storage, thanks for the informative video 🎉
There are videos on KZhead showing Hydrogen delivered via a plug in cartridge or a paste. Both of those methods would significantly improve the distribution process, as well as speeding up refueling (pull out the old cartridge, slide in a new one, and off you go). I could imagine said cartridges being sold in virtually any store.
@@toddprickett6376 There are production and scaling issues, but please notify us when those things become CHEAPER than PLUGGING into a wall outlet like they do in a BEV , Hydrogen = " Fuel of the Future" , maybe another hundred years?
Awesome video as always!
Thanks for explaining this to me so i could understand how it works.
Its weird how your thumbnail and title looks similar to mines (one month earlier) glad to see Im an inspiration to someone :)
Normal que inspires a los demás, tus videos son increíbles ❤️
Please make these kind of videos more...
Very educational thanks for sharing
WOW! using this in your house if you have solar panels or wind turbines would be a really cool use. if you have excess solar power->make hydrogen if not, then create energy from the stored hydrogen to supplement solar/wind. side effect=>a little pure H2O for whatever use! you could potentially use the hydrogen generated to make methanol as well to fuel your winter heating or something as well (Sabatier process). powerful stuff displayed here! I wonder if you can just use salt in the DI water, maybe with reduced efficiency...follow on vid? (please!) awesome vid...instant sub!
Well done Sir!
what was the amperage pull from the power supply?
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hello I hope you are well thank you for the video and can you make us videos on radio control planes you designed it yourself with polystyrene and the control with Arduino
It's important to factor in how much hydrogen will be lost through leaking couplings and storage tanks if it were used as fuel by the masses. Imo.
That's good explanation. But the + should rather be the Cathode, while Negetive is Anode?
Nice and simple thx
Very interesting - nice job
What is the efficiency of the system that you have built sir?
Very good explanation
What dynamo do you use bro?
Great tutorial.
Hey, it should be possible to run the fuel cell with air and hydrogen. If yes can you do a comparison with Oxygen/Hydrogen and Air/Hydrogen? Would the efficiency be affected? Thanks
yes possible, same as with pure oxygen.
Does fuel cell use palladium and platinum for electrolyses?
Good explanation. Thank you. The thing about hydrogen fuel cells is that if they were perfect, they would already be ubiquitous. Gasoline engines were pretty much this 'perfect' solution, until we discovered the environmental impact of burning fossil fuels. Hydrogen fuel cells, (which I learned about 50+ years ago) are very elegant, but are likely even more harmful to the environment than gasoline, because most hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels. They have many other issues too. Unfortunately, (other than just driving less), we don't have any great solutions. Personally, I'd lean towards keeping the gasoline engines, while trying to find an economical method of producing gasoline from 'renewable' sources.
There is a pretty great solution out there: Battery electric vehicles, you should give it a try.
yes, maybe an idea is to capture CO2 and combine it with H20 to produce bio fuells. Something like a Sabatier reactor, that can produce methane (CH4). If we can use solar or volcanic heat for the gas making reactor (or electric heat by wind or solar energy) wouldn't that be a great way to a CO2 neutral society?
Great Job
So this fuel cell along a capacitor could replace a battery?
What is the electrolyte material made of ??
Nice video 👍
Bro, can you please complete the Arduino Drone V2.0? the Yaw axis PID is still left out, i really need it for my college project, can you please complete the Arduino Drone II Series
Does we need to give electric power to the electrolysis to get another electric power?
Would this work with methane+air?
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The full efficiency is about 25% not 60...
Hydrogen production by electrolysis is about 75% efficient. Hydrogen fuel cells are 40 to 60% efficient. Traditionally electrical motors are about 80%. Now if we are very generous and assume that all the components in the chain hit very high efficiency such as 80% for the electrolysis, 60% for the Fuel cell, and 90% for the motor (because someone will claim that) you get a combined efficiency of 43%. But if we de-rate the motor to 80% efficiency that turns into 38%. With more realistic and reproduceable numbers you get 75% x 50% x 80% and the efficiency is about 30%. Now if you were to include the generation of the electricity to drive the electrolysis then efficiency goes down drastically. But without doing that you can compare the hydrogen fuel cell technology with battery electric vehicles. When I looked for Lithium Ion battery charging efficiency the first answer I got was that it is ner 100% efficient, compared to lead acid batteries that are "only" 85% efficient when charging. Second link claims 99% efficiency while the third ling says it's 70%. The rest I saw claimed between 80 to 90 % efficiency when charging. Even if they are "only" 70% efficient that would still mean that a BEV has an efficiency of about 56% if the motor is 80% efficient. That is a whole lot more efficient than the fuel cell version. Another interesting thing is to look at range. One of the things that people often say is that with a hydrogen driven car you can just fill up the tank in seconds or minutes rather than have to wait for a battery pack to charge. And that's fair. But how far can you go between the fuel stops? And here hydrogen is at a disadvantage as the gas is so light. Even at a liquid state it has only about 20% of the energy density of gasoline when compared by volume. Number ripped from my far from reliable memory so take that with a grain of salt. That means the fuel tank has to be four to five times as large as the gas tank if you want to drive as far on a tank as you do on gasoline. And the tanks can't be simple constructions either. They are either high pressure tanks or they are low pressure isolated tanks. The later is most common in the tests I've seen, but they have the disadvantage that they can't perfectly isolate the hydrogen, so they are constantly bleeding hydrogen that cook off. A tank like that is likely to bleed off all hydrogen in a week or two even if the car never leaves the parking lot. Also the hydrogen that is bled off is a fire and explosion hazzard. High pressure tanks are heavy and expensive. How heavy I can't say as I haven't looked into it. But the fact that auto makers experimenting with hydrogen fuel cells usually don't use them suggests that they are not trivial to build right. Someone I talked to thought that solid hydrogen would be the solution. That is hydrogen chilled down to the degree or pressurized enough that it turns metallic. I did look into that, ignoring all the practical problems of actually doing this. And the results were not encouraging. Metallic hydrogen is not significantly more dense than liquid hydrogen. So it would be a lot of added complexity and cost for very little, if any, improvement in storage density.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I'm sorry I didn't read everything but you need to include gas compression/liquefaction and transportation Wich will reduce the efficiency significantly. I've worked with hydrogen (liquid and gas) and the tanks are so heavy in comparation to the mass of hydrogen that we usually say things like "the steel truc is here". For the solid state storage it's an utopia, it is indeed possible to store a lot of hydrogen in magnesium for exemple 30% in mass approximately (you need about 1kg per 100km of hydrogen) so the storage could be only 20kg of magnesium for a good autonomy. Buuuuut we need to heat up A LOT the magnesium to recover the hydrogen which is... Not efficient at all...
@@oneilgoisot9615 Thanks for the heads up on compression. It's easy to forget a step like that when you don't work with the media. Enginering Explained did some videos on Hydrogen and talked about the low power per volume you got with hydrogen. That and the heavy tanks for liquid hydrogen was what he concentrated on before even talking about the efficiency. If you want to see some really horrible numbers look at combustion engines running on hydrogen...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I'll check engineering explained, I also recommend engineering with rosie
fuel cell and electrolysis are also highly susceptible to corrosion ! the efficiency of a gasoline combustion engine ranges between ( 36 % - 42 % ) and perhaps more, this is more efficient than photovoltaic cells ( 18 % - 26 % ), for example.
It may be easier to store the hydrogen as methanol, which is a lot easier to transport and store. It isnt as energy dense as gasoline/petrol. Im sure we can develop simple/efficient ways to convert hydrogen into methanol.
i think fuel cell as a energy storage is a good, but for the cars, i still have doubt with it
I spoke to a bus driver who had driven hydrogen buses. For them the problem was safety. They had to install elevated pipes at the depot etc. maybe at the scale of a car it would be sufficiently safe but it didn’t sound suitable for buses at all.
They should add a smell to hydrogen, just like with propane or natural gas. Like that, we would know faster if there is a leak.
Can someone explain to me the electricity loss, like, 20 volt to make that gas and 1 volt gain after. Compared to others, is this really that good?
Could you use carbon fiber as an electrode?
I used a single Mason jar once, with a couple of nails for electrodes. There was a tube which released the gas. Stupid me, I thought it would be cool to light the end to see gas flaming. You know what happened next. The flame _immediately_ travelled down the tube, into the jar, and blew off the lid. It sounded like a shotgun went off in my kitchen. Do not attempt unless your homeowner's insurance is up to date.
Your chemistry on the electrolysis side is incorrect. Sodium hydroxide is normally NOT consumed in the process. (I think you might have looked at the chemistry of electrolysis of (molten) sodium hydroxide, rather than water with dissolved sodium hydroxide. That's a totally different thing) Nice video for the rest though.
My chemistry knowledge might not be totally right 🧐 Chat GBT didn't help enough hahaha. Anyway I didn't what to say is consumed, what I wanted to day is that is making the water more conductive.
@@ELECTRONOOBS fair enough. I think at some point you say the electrolysis of sodium hydroxide (which you more or less described), while this is just electrolysis of water. ChatGPT also answers if you make a minor error in the way you ask the question... 😬
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lo que si sería bueno, sería mediante muy poca energía aprovechar el hidrogeno para un motor de combustión y de ahí sacar mucha más energía
Hi electronoobs Recently I tried to make the brushed drone project with some bigger motor Using multiwii firmware but I am having a lot of problems:- 1.Multiwii not starting saying Javaw not found etc. 2. I install Java 11 se the the application starts but when as soon as I hit start the program crashes . 3. I switched to java8 se the program runs but lags alot some time it doesn't show any gyro value . 4. after few attempts by using your bldc drone code I was able to connect but the gyro movement of quadx gui is reversed Please help and if possible make a complete tutorial on multiwii how to install run without problems connect to brushed drone code how to adjust gyro and pid values plz it will be a great help from you
By the way I am using Arduino nano is that causing me problems
The best thing about a hydrogen economy is that it can be used for everything: ships, trains, planes, cars, trucks, homes.
?Vas a publicar en español el vídeo?lo busco,pero bueno mientras le sigo en ingles ,gracias😊😊😊😊
Lo publicaré pero aun no está listo
Lo tendras en español? Enhorabuena
Why there is no data of input voltage and amperage to see "efficiency"
The problem with that tech is the corrosion that we can see on the anode at the 19sec mark of the video, apparently they don't last a day !
Can’t we use this as a water source as well. We could convert ground, or even ocean water into hydrogen and oxygen; then use it to fuel a hydrogen cell and create clean water.
thanks
Been driving a fuel cell electric vehicle for 7 years and have put 72k miles on it. I'd say it's the present.
So cool :)
Where do you live to find hydrogen stations for longer roadtrips? How often did you change the air-filters during that time? How about the fuel-cell core? How much did you spend on propulsion-system related maintainence?
@@Makatea i live in California. California which is very large. I have done a 730 mile trip in 11 hours with it. Therr has been 0 maintenance on the fuel cell. I have replaced the tires at 50,000 miles and I have replaced the IEE (ion exchange element) twice (the IEE is a consumable that protects the fuel cell and the price of that consumable is around 1.5 cents per mile.
@@homomorphic Thanks a lot for the prompt, detailed answer. What car-model do you have and what motivated you to prefer it over a BEV?
@@Makatea I have a 2016 Toyota Mirai. I have always had BEVs as well (I currentlt have a polestar 2). The Mirai is much better for trips over 150 miles because it recharges in less than 5 minutes. So I drive the Mirai on longer trips and use the polestar 2 for most local driving.
I really want to understand how this can be efficient when you use far more electricity than what ends up at the motor. I would also like to understand how this can be safe when a byproduct is sodium metal which is highly flammable when exposed to water, which this mechanism is filled with.
You can also run the fuel cell in reverse to turn water into hydrogen and oxygen
Damn!
Forget using electricity to split with sodium-hydroxide, instead capture the gas using Aluminum in water and sodium-hydroxide and run it through the cell.
The electrolysis that you have explained is incorrect. At the Anode, hydrogen is formed, but the sodium stays dissolved in the water, as it takes less energy to form hydrogen than sodium
Please try to make your arduino course in English I want to learn it from you It's a request 😊😊
multi-layer ZnBr gravity cell battery, rechargeable directly, many wide slim no-pump cells
energy density in same range or more than lead-acid battery, about 80Wh/kg, a bit less then li-ion (which are up to about 200Wh/kg now)
easier containment than hydrogen, same as lead-acid batteries
no harshly toxic stuff, just salts
kinda same as mild sulfuric acid electrolyte
try baking soda instead of KOH/NaOH
If you keep exploring that route you can check Valentin Petkov's channel. He is reviewing Stanley Meyer's patents for electrolysis. As Stan mentioned, to split water in an efficient way, water has to have some resonance so molecules are excited and more prone to be split instead of brute force electrolysis. Of course you did the opposite in this experiment to get electricity, but due to the fact you are electronic savvy, Valentin's experiments should make more sense to you
You can patent stuff that doesn't work, and in this case it doesn't.
Check his Wikipedia page.
Careful, one guy who made this got poisoned.
I thought for sure that Toyota was going to be the paid sponsor.
Use solar to make Hydrogen and O2 and store then then use those stored gases as fuel
It might be a good idea to mention that this is not a viable option for cars as it is wildly too inefficient compared to regular battery electric vehicles. Automakers trying to implement this for reasons passing understanding, such as Toyota, are in for a harsh awakening they may very well not survive.
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there are hydrogen vehicles in California they are mainly city vehicles
Wondering if the oxygen can power a tesla turbine at the same time..
When you learn the center field of a magnetic force you won't be doing it that way. First off you need to use the inductive properties of copper in the water in a saw tooth wave form at the correct frequency, not a sign wave. Once you do this you will be on overload with the output of hydrogen. The center field energy from a magnet and the copper inductive field combine to disconnect the two molecules of water!!
now add a water cooler to the car wow free water
now lets talk how efficient is to create the two gases...
Like.
... isn't it better to use the 80% of the electricity to power a battery operated car that you spend 30 sec to plug in and then go to bed,rather than have: 1) electricity to generate hydrogen 2) electricity to pump it in a tank 3)diesel or hydrogen to move the tank 4) electricity to pump it in the distribution storage 5)electricity to pump it again in the car and wait 5 minutes. 6) transform it in electricity to charge a battery 7) run the motor of the battery Gasoline electric energy need for all of the pumping and refining should be around 1kw every 4 liter, if we skip the pumping efficiency goes up Do you really like going to p petrol-hydrogen station? The switch to electric is gonna be perfect when a Battery vehicle with 5 or 6 Hours of motorway will be affordable, you need to stop to eat anyway
@hello the real reason because I don't buy an ev is that little bit too expensive, I would myself use a short range ev,and when is the time for me to change car I'm sure I'll move to ev, is not the way to convince everyone, the range is the only real, and over perceived downside of an ev for everybody,I speak about my colleagues that are hard petrol head, if there are no excuses for them not to chose an ev we can speak of a car for everyone. We need to see the other side of the argument and understand
@@matteoricci9129 in Belgium there is something called capacity tax. In short, they punish people with taxes if they consume too much energy from the grid, because otherwise they have to invest in the electricity grid... So at this moment maybe a hydrogen operated vehicle will be cheaper then driving an electric one (?). In fact that is even an argument to go for a hybrid car... and if all people in Belgium would drive electric cars at this moment, the electricity grid would go down, they warn.
@@pieterpauwelbeelaerts5995 fancy that, in Italy, there was something like that but to improve use of heat pump they removed this tariff for houses, I checked the annual uses of electricity and in Italy is in decline, maybe a 5% over 10 years, so Italian electric grid would be able to cope at least for the first 4 or 5 years of adoption. Hydrogen still uses more electricity than just charging a car, so it will only increase the amount of electricity needed, I don't see it as a solution. Hybrid is a good step in the right direction, and it was a good choice when there are no other alternatives, but you can consider that electric cars are a better step in the right direction, better still no car at all. everybody willing to do these steps will do it depending on his condition, but here we need to check the claims, like what amount of hybrid: - mild (regen breaking and slow speed) is just an ice car that uses less petrol, long therm is not going to solve anything. -plug in could be great, if you use them right.
The question is will it really be the future of cars? If yes will it be good for human life
No, it's not. It's mind-boggingly inefficient and can't even remotely compete with battery-electric vehicles. You hear so much about it anyway, because the hydrogen is produced from fossile fuel, so the oil industry has PR-agencies on the job...
For 18 wheel Semi Trucks - hydrogen is possible - yes - Nikola Stock - buy now $1.02 a share
i think thats not common in cars because of safty
We call this ahem future energy source👉the hindenberg effect,cause its gonna be alot of astronauts and lawsuits, if it goes into production👀 way tooo many safty factors have to be tested starting with shorts in wires to accidents🤦
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🤣🤣 this is a chemical battery... Measure efficiency.. Power in and power out.. is terrible. More efficiency in lithium battery or o Otto converted to H20 fuel. Edit: good explications, and for i...... peoples, the energy not come from water, is crom hydrogen and hydrogen is maked with electricity.
just use regular table salt. sodium hydroxide is very NASTY stuff.
Except you can end up with chlorine gas byproducts to deal with.
Chlorine is worst
@@AirzonesBlasters very good point! a well ventilated place is indeed necessary. still, given the amounts at play, I would say it's safe enough and easier to open a window than manipulating caustic soda, which involves proper use and disposal of PPE. NaOH just loves sweat and soft tissue.
Using electricity to get hydrogen and then using hydrogen in fuel cells to get electricity..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are you some kind of engineer or are you just repeating what you heard on faux news?
One day we will all be driving in Hydrogen cars, I think in Mars or Venus.../S😅LOL
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I like the video but I don’t like the concept of hydrogen cars. Like yeah, let’s put a tank full of explosive gas in every car 🤠 Hydrogen is FAR worse than lithium batteries or gasoline, at least safety-wise. I wouldn’t want that in my car anytime ever.
Your chemistry is flawed. Sodium reacts violently and with water. Sodium is not formed during electrolysis in water.
It's a Bad Idea: Hydrogen-Fuelcell-Cars are horribly inefficient. Today, nearly all hydrogen comes from transformig fossil fuels, especially gas. For it to be climate-neutral, you'd have to make it by electrolysis from renewable energy instead. That requires several times more electricity than needed to move a Battery-Electric Vehicle. Plus the conversion losses of the fuelcell. You also drive around in a car with the same gas the Hindenburg was filled with, but with 700 bars of pressure. And finally you regularly need to change the special HEPA-filters of the fuel cell, which also a lifespan significanly lower than the car. The only maintainance items related to the propulsion system of a BEV are cooling liquid and differential oil.
Your point about safety is mostly unwarranted, it's like saying that electric vehicles run on the same electricity used in electric chairs. Tech has come a long way since hindenburg...
If we always talk about inefficiency, we will never progress like today
Not saying is the best but it could be if we invest time and energy into it, in few years it could get better.
@@ELECTRONOOBS true
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Trillions and trillions of dollars business in the world hydrogen fuel cell technology 2024 loan passed by the company mikka maga cities
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Well that sounds a waste of time just some bonehead wanting a piece of the pie still needs power to get hydrogen and to convert it back to electric 🙈 that's like using an inverter from 12v to 240v then back to 12v to charge another battery unless fuel station had a swap machine that can refill a cell and give you a fresh one but that means all manufacturers have to use a universal design to fit all cars .... Like that's gonna happen with the greedy CEOs profiting beyond belief 😂
Hydrogen is complete garbage, as it is a worse version in every aspect of the core product it is made from. Hydrogen is made from CNG, which is almost the same thing, but the conversion costs about 60% of the energy of the base CNG. CNG in its pure form is easier to store (lower pressure and lower container penetration) and is already widely used in industrial, home appliance and automotive applications. Converting a car to hydrogen is far more complicated than CNG as it demands lower compression and more temp resistant materials. Making a hydrogen car costs $20k to have a 100kw fuel cell, meanwhile you can convert any road car TODAY to run on CNG for 1000$.
hydrogen buses are too expensive to maintain and dangerous to work on because of constant leaks and the risk that an explosion can vanish an entire city.
Naa i love gas engines
This is not where hydrogen comes from you are lying.
Elaborate.
@@tomclanys Hydrogen is separated from fossil fuels and shipped around the world as ammonia. It does not come from water and electrolysis. This would be dumb to waste so much electricity to, in the end use electricity.
Hydrogen can be obtained in different ways, as it tends to bond with other elements. The most efficient way to this day to get it is by chemical reactions
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@@hyundaiverna You can also get it from aluminum foil and drain cleaner. Doesn't mean it works commercially.
the right cell don't need any soda or dangerous dielectric but only water
Hi I have a question on your previous esp32 nes console project. every time i compile the code I get an error that i need to #include "P:\1a KZhead videos tercero/ESP32 Nintendo/NesCat-main/src/hid_server/hid_server.h" and that the compilation is terminated and it says there is no such file or directory even though when I go into the files I can find the his server h file. Other people are also having this problem so please help me out I really want to finish this project
Maybe just change the root to your root instead of P:/ etc.... Place your root of the folder?
@@ELECTRONOOBS I just did it and it didn’t work it still says no file or difectory
@@ELECTRONOOBS can you try and follow your tutorial on the code and tell me if you get that issue? And then if you do then you can fix it and tell me please and thank you I’m really annoyed with this because I already have all the stuff solderef
@@ELECTRONOOBS I got past it but another problem went up and then another after that one please try and fix it so that I can finish making this thanks
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How mad do you think lotus 🪷 is because of tesla