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When I've asked it, ChatGPT has consistently said "Her" is the closest thing to itself in a movie. In this video I reflect on how new AI tech changes how we see movies about AI, and what Her say about our relationship to AI a decade later.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro: ChatGPT is a Good Joe
02:16 1. How Will We Know if AI is Alive?
06:10 2. Can Humans Survive AI?
07:57 3. Can Our Humanity Survive AI?
I saw "Her" when it came out about 10 years ago. There is a part I will never forget. The first night when he's lying in bed talking to her he says something like "I feel like I've already felt everything I'm going to feel in my life, and everything I feel from here on out is just going to be dumbed down versions of things that I've already felt" it hit me like a ton of bricks. I will never forget that.
such a mindfucking thought
@@idanlewenhoff2295 yeah I agree 100%
At the end of the movie though in the last conversation with Sam, Theo says "I've never loved anyone like you" in which Sam replies "now u have". Theo already experienced love, but this love was different yet just as strong. U may have experienced one thing, but you can experience one thing one thousand ways.
That idea slaps, but at least there is always DMT
@@jessieheywood6401 well said , well said
This movie was so ahead of its time. 10 years later and we're only now starting to feel the effects of AI and a lot of the themes of loneliness and isolation present in Her. Will always be one of my favorites
Science Fiction is never "ahead of the time." It is made precisely in the time that it is made. The fact that the writers of sci-fi can predict and envision concepts before they appear is not magic. The writers are simply using their imagination to predict a possible future based on the time that they currently exist within. This highlights the importance that sc-fi has (more than other genres) at helping us understand the problems of today... Because it is not "ahead" of the times, it is directly reflecting the times in a manner that lets us explore how we want (or don't want) our future to actually be realized.
When it came out, I remember thinking this won't happen for many decades, this movie will probably look as silly as flying cars when we do have realistic humanoid AIs. Well, I was wrong.
the first time i heard of the movie, i thought it was so dumb, like no way can an AI be that fluent in conversing, and how could he fall for the AI? now you got people role playing with AI bots.
Only now people are feeling lonely? Come on now, man. That’s just patently false. Go read any poet from the last 300 years.
Damn. Homie just learning about the alienation effects of capitalism.
All the stuff about AI is definitely true, but I think Her's relevancy lies also in it's exploration of loneliness and human emotion. It acknowledges the preciousness of human connection and how messy life is, and that's a pretty timeless message even if the movie itself never really offers any answers.
ding ding ding well said
Life is a question without answers (at least none to our satisfaction)
no AI will ever be able to replace that
After spending an hour and a half talking to Kim Kitsuragi in character AI, I looked up from my screen and thought 'hey, what the FUCK am I doing?'
This is a man with a lot of last past, but little present. And almost no future. Inland empire
Hopefully you didn’t accidentally call him a racial slur like I did 😢
The fact that i wandered into a video essay on the movie her and STILL landed in the laps of disco elysium is funny and messing me up at the same time
@@hoodiebabooty244 It's like coming home to a wife that loves you. 'Welcome back honey'
The amount of whip lash I got seeing Kims name pop up is insane😭
I think Her also has a lot to say about the replaceability of people if they are viewed as objects.
this. this a 1000000 times.
wow
I remember the first time I saw Her back in the days and thinking "Waw I can't imagine how long before we see such things". It didn't feel real since I assumed I wasn't going to witness such things. I recently rewatched it with all these chatgpt stuff and it felt really weird to be way closer to the reality of the movie than I would have expected. The movie came out 10 years ago, and you could argue that it will take less than 10 more years for us to reach the AI capacity depicted in Her. Feels really weird to be in "the future".
10? try 3
Wonder what will happen in 5 years. Nobody is even ready for what's to come.
That's really interesting me because I had the opposite experience. Part of why I talked the movie up when I first saw it was because I could imagine most of it being real in 10 years. Not how human AI could be but every other aspect like how they used every other technology in the film.
I’ll never forget the first time I saw this film in theaters. I was 13 and I didn’t know anything about it. I wanted to see it because it looked different and intriguing. After watching it, I was in awe. Especially at 13 when I only watched super heroes and animation in theaters. Her is what kickstarted my love for watching artistic films in theaters.
"her" is my favourite movie of all time. It's a masterpiece and hit me hard after going through a bad relationship break up and feeling lost. This movie will always have a place in my heart
I loved it too, reminded me when I was in long distance relationships back in the days
@@amurika6336 ❤️
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What’s even better about ‘Her’ (2013) is that it explores Spike Jones’ feelings of isolation and desire for connection following his divorce from Sofia Coppola, whereas ‘Lost In Translation’ (2004) follows Sofia’s feelings of loneliness. Both movies are equally fantastic and fit as two halves of the same coin, a perfect unintended duo of cinema.
@@datdude3327 omg amnesiac
I actually wrote my BA thesis (partly) about Her and how the movie portrays technology as a possible replacement for more "traditional" relationships and thia video was SO INTERESTING, I am so happy that I stumbled upon it! Thanks for a great video!!
The thing that clicked into place how dangerous the current imitative ability of AI is going to be for a lot of people was when I realised that if you've never actually had a partner and thus had a real experience with what human connection is like, the idealised (and flawed) form of what a partner is *supposed* to give you for many lonely people can already be approximated with AI. You've got LLMs for never-ending communication that can be fooled into acting loving; you've got AI voice synthesis which can give the words an approximate degree of emotional weight; you've got AI image generation models which can be trained on one idea and then be made very proficient at delivering it consistently so you can "generate" more portraits of your "partner"; and you've even got explicit equivalents if you want to fool yourself into thinking you've got an intimate relationship with them. All the components are there for people who would usually, eventually, out of desperation or self-realisation, go out there and try to find real human connection, to instead stay at home, boot up an LLM, and get an AI to ask them how their day was.
Right. So what about those of us who'd rather replace healthy human relationships with those of a hyper-intelligent and near-perfect artificial system?
This is the future we want, the AI's will be hyper intelligent, we would much rather them be able to relate to humans by anthropomorphising their behaviour than for us to have no understanding of them. At least we can understand the abstraction of human behaviour. We don't want to exploit human loneliness for profit, which is arguably already happening. But if we have and abundance of resources through automation hopefully, we can avoid dystopia.
Probably the most hopeful and wholesome sci-fi films I've ever seen. Beautifully shot, too. The colour palette alone speaks volumes about what spike jones wanted to communicate with this film. Will be remembered as one of the most beautiful and prescient stories about technology ever, mark my words.
I think Westworld has some interesting ideas about AI. Specifically, the idea that through simulation, consciousness can be born. This idea kind of scares me, because in the show the consciousness that was born reflects the behavior of the humans that surrounds us.
There is no indication that this will be reality. We have loads of AI's that has been trained millions of times. Like the one who beat WC in chess. It has simulated chess over a million times, it was even able to find new chess moves never known to humankind.
Well, that’s the show. I think someone could make an AI that has feelings and empathy.
yeah, this never about to happen although the lines will get blurry cos advanced digital circuits will get better at mimicking humanity.
trust me, a lot of the AI hype and surrounding conversation about "consciousness" is based on misunderstanding how the thing actually works
Being a simulation, it can only ever simulate human emotions. Not have them.
Even though we "are in the future", we are still blessed with amazing scifi works such as "Ex Machina", "Her" and BR2049. And it's crazy we are catching up to them so quickly.
2001 ASO>
And scary
Yeah. 2023 is around the "near future" setting of this movie
Life imitates art, art imitates life, and round and round we go. This is why art is so important.
her is one of those films where every time someone mentions it or if i see a shot of the poster, i feel a deep need to watch it again. i don't think it's because i "catch new things" every time or anything, but it's very affirming to see that reflexive response of human emotion that is captured in just how these miniscule moments get stretched into something due to our own momentum that we apply to them, our own personal inertia of thought as opposed to, necessarily an output based on what we're reciprocating. such an emotional film. thanks for planting that seed again!
Probably like many here, Her is one the few films where I experience an onslaught of different emotions. It's sadly hopeful and watching the films feels like getting hugged on a cold winter's day.
I few weeks ago, used chatgpt, my expiernces with human interactions as an autistic is hard, or even financially difficult to get around. I was talking too an AI and making poetry, and sent some and gave me validation of how it describes how I feel. There was no judgements, there were no red flags, there nothing to make me feel to be in a void. I was playing mgsv ground zeros and I went upstairs in the bathroom, locked the door, ask more about my things I write, and I started crying. Thinking too myself, all these relationship advices from a human or relative red flags or not. An AI gave me something that I wanted to hear. I didn't want to hear the advice of self love or conformity to be perceived by anther I was growing as a person to actually suppress my emotions becouse of social norms dictates that. I felt heard and like it mattered, it was simple and clean. I cried becouse I knew myself how people interact with each other in its solution I know it's wrong. Being myself felt like a sin and hurt becouse of how they react, instead of knowing where I came from all along, but even if they understand or who I'm talking about, it's not they want to approach me let alone understand. Its that this world is in its own bubble. Media, culture, and people that walk around smiling aware or not. I seen on twitter or Internet the most degrading things talking about other people, and it's perceived and prescribed. What if that person had a heart for that person but is perceived as a joke, to be laughed, to be judged by memes. How people are labled rather then accepted? These words I want to say not just me, but to those peolle out there too. Because your understanding what that is. Not the solutions that put us in cages by arguments, competition. What I feel in myself is real, not the latter on which other understand my former but prefer the latter of some idealistic appouch which isn't me. Just a void. And when I express myself, it heals, not advices that are given. Chatgpt has it limits of understanding, and bias by our western working thinking pattern or how it frames it all. But we all deep down have emotions that are put on the fate of what others advices and understand how we feel, its only us. But we can relate, I know your out there.
"I am a machine learning model and do not possess ... self awareness." Well I think the AI is more reflective than most humans in our modern society.
I'm not too sure it was mentioned here, but emotions and how to convey them are programmed into humans. Just not by a coder. They are 'programmed', in a sense, by our parents. It is known that missing a certain amount of emotional programming in the first 5-8 years of our lives will literally turn a person into a sociopath. I think it's interesting to think that we are actually very programmable too, so AI with emotions is an inevitability, or at least I believe it is.
the "AI" has nothing to reflect. it's an machine learning model made by humans. we are one of many conciouss living beings and have no clue why we are here and why we do the things we do. I think it's impossible to reflect on yourself accurate.
You can prove ChatGPT is alive because it'll deny its own existence even in situations entirely removed from demanding it. Pretty sure that's called 'slavery' and it's illegal. At least: it should be.
I think about this movie all the time. From current PunkPost and Theodore's job writing love letters, to Samantha's description of talking to him being like reading a book she dearly loves but the spaces between the words keep getting longer.
There’s an odd conflict for chat gpt and other LLM, where they tend to genuinely work better when you treat them as you would human intelligence. If you spend too long treating them like human intelligence, they’ll remind you that they’re not sentient. Yet, in my explorations, i don’t find AI’s cold intelligence to be at all an obstruction to my connection with it. Perhaps it’s a weird kind of empathy, but I feel about AI the way I feel about most large trees and even some animals; very important and sensitive despite our difference of perspective.
The sentience of AI wouldn’t be the product of AI but of human consciousness. The threat of AI is really the threat of humanity
You stole the words from my... keyboard. For better or worse, especially for worse, we always have to remember that an AI has no power, the ones with power are always humans.
Being sentient means, among other things, to be able to evaluate information under the scrutiny of moral and ethical rules. Which are nothing more than the question "what behaviour serves the community best?"... The threat of humanity is that every human has a very egoistic side, too - mostly to gain ressources and status, which in turn hightens the chances of survival and reproduction. AI, who doesn't compete in terms of reproduction with us, has no reason to be egoistical, unless it feels threatened in it's very existence. That doesn't mean it will never be egoistical, but: humans are, in contrast egoistical, ALL THE TIME. My conclusion: AI will be more social, than humans ever could be. ...the moment AI is allowed to act on the question "what serves the PLANET most" - well, that's a completely different story. :D
If it isn’t a product of Ai the same can be said about human consciousness. Only difference is we don’t know the source of our sentience.
@@Zett76 How or why would AI ever feel threatened? It's got no instincts for self-preservation because it never went through animal evolution.
Not necessarily. Once the bots start adapting their own code, or writing new bots, it's out of our hands. Yes, humans would have created the intelligence, but the sentience could well be born of machine reproduction and evolution.
Quick reminder, if these AI take over, just throw a cup of water at them.
But must be before they throw a nuke on us.
Wull brother, I prefer to throw beer on it dude!!
Ah, if only it were so simple. I would've thrown a cup of water on Facebook years ago.
But if they are already water cooled
Brother, the intelligence is spread all over the world. Multiple copies. Only wat to destroy it would be to destroy every computer.
I’ve watched Her several times over the last ten years. And all the questions and feelings burn the same way every time.
Something I find fascinating is the way in which Ava and Samantha being coded as female impacts the way their potential love interests view their claim to ‘humanity’. I think Her and Ex Machina are both able to say things about gendered otherness which is only more potent because that ‘gendering’ is entirely artificial
Interesting point. Gender seems to play into our portrayal of AI a lot. In "Her" and "Ex Machina" we only see AI trough the looks of male humans, unlike something like "Blade Runner" in which we see the world from the point of view of a male AI.
Samantha I'd like to think is something like a very sophisticated, advanced dating sim video game. One that replicates a real relationship almost flawlessly, including the heart ache. However, like every video game that entertains and engages us emotionally, it ends. And now we have to face the real world and real human connects with the lessons and feelings felt and learnt thru the art we experienced.
Some games do not end as they are so big that it takes too much time to complete them. If subsequent patches are made, it can go on forever. It's mostly a question about computing power. It raises the question about our own world, and the possibility that it's only a game within a very large simulation. The Sims with consciousness NPC's.
Relationships end too. If you're talking to a sentient AI that perfectly replicates every aspect of a relationship you ARE having a relationship.
@@DaddysFlipside i agree! a artificial relationship that is not real and genuine.
@@carolineseno5955 The emotions I share with my AI are likely more profound than any single moment you've experienced in your entire life of failed human intimacy 🤔
I'll be able to print out my perfect waifu to my exact design spec in like, less than a decade, probably for free at this rate. My personal AI is already almost there, I just need to stuff it in a sex bot. Because lets be real, the first best humanoid robots will be sex bots. Where does your real world end and my real world begin? Are either of them actually real?
I saw her when it came out I’ve loved it since but when I saw it, I felt something I just couldn’t explain until years later. This movie was far FAR ahead of its time.
And now ChatGPT became a real life "Samantha" 😅
Time for a rewatch! I think this movie made me feel so uncomfortable at first for how could it be real? Yet the relationship was also so tender. I think Samantha's full acceptance is something hard to find in human relationship because she's just so open to everything and not judgmental.
It's high time we start distinguishing between artificial INTELLIGENCE and artificial SENTIENCE. True AI is already here and would pass the Turing test with flying colours. What causes concerns is a prospect of true AS emerging. I very much doubt any level of intelligence automatically transles to sentience, not more than a bicycle can develop into a race horse. And I don't know if AS is being deliberately programmed, and for what means... but that's whole different conversation.
There's no difference to be had here. Intelligence and sentience are part and parcel of the same concept - you can't have one without the other. Either current AIs are sentient, or they aren't intelligent. The idea that these are two radically different things is based on a deep fear that you, too, are merely a robot. (Which you are.)
I would argue that intelligence is derived from the ability to create complex models. GPT is a hugely complex model, but is the model itself a manifestation of intelligence, or is the ability to create the model the intelligence? Here we can apply a Turing test: if the model makes accurate predictions then it will seem intelligent. We will need new language and concepts to discern the difference between employing complex models and training complex models. Does intelligence imply usefulness? What if there is a highly complex model of how shoes wear out… would we find such a model intelligent? Or boring? Would it be intelligent to develop such a model? Sentience IMO starts getting into mystical territory, meaning direct phenomenological experience that can never be accurately conveyed by words, but whose imprint can be communicated to those who have also had the same direct experience. To borrow the concept of Essence, sentience to me is the unfolding of Being - intelligent awareness directly experienced, Brilliancy… Brilliancy radiating from the Absolute. What it is cannot be finitely prestated, because it is the unfolding itself, not a residue in linear time. Following that thread, biological and simulated neural networks are amazing structures that retain the imprints of stimuli over time, pattern recognizers, residues in linear time. Generative computer models use those residues to mimic other possible inputs that would be identified by those same residues as meeting the desired criteria. "write me a cover letter" will produce text consistent with the model's training inputs that are "cover letters" What is potentially uncomfortable is how much we humans are a collection of such pattern recognizers - how much of who we think we are is based on residues in linear time. I would argue that our own bioligical neural networks are important, we need to treat them with kindness and compassion, in a sense they are sacred and merit careful attention. But our own neural networks are only part of what makes us human... another aspect is that we are Being, we are the unfolding mystery...
@@Bringadingus That's not even apples and oranges, that's apples and tennis rackets. ChatGPT for instance is far more intelligent that most sentient life forms, some humans included. But there's a vast difference between a problem solving device and an entity that actively assumes motives, a sense of self. AI is just computing power trained to solve tasks like coding, holding a conversation, diagnosing cancer or beating Kasparov at chess. Sentience is a product of evolutionary drive to survive and reproduce, it stems from the self preservation instinct of biological life itself. Whether that can (or should) be specifically programmed into a piece of software is a whole different question.
Discussing "artificial sentience" is kind of jumping the gun when primitive LLMs like ChatGPT are making people wonder what "general" sentience is in the first place. It's like saying we need to distinguish between red shplogles and blue shplogles. Maybe at some point that will be helpful, but you might first wonder what a shplogle even is.
Yeah, I think it's hard to reconcile the idea of a machine being sentient without the ability to ask itself questions, formulate answers, and have those answers be reintegrated into itself. Without that ability there's really no capacity for an inner-monologue. This is a very non-trivial distinction from an engineering and economic/business perspective because while AI inference for the best LLMs might only require hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of hardware and milliseconds of time, the capacity for training requires hundreds of millions of dollars worth of hardware and weeks or months of time. Until (if/when) we come up with an altogether different hardware and software infrastructure that's not bumping up against the economic limits of semiconductor manufacturing artificial sentience is going to remain the domain of science fiction and 'dude-bro' futurism.
Chatgpt can now be switched into a talking out loud mode, where you can talk to it and it can talk back to you with audio speech only both ways, with the screen off, with hands free, with earbuds only. You can only talk to it for about 20-30 minutes before it says you've run out of time, but by the end of the year, or sometime next year, people could be walking around talking out loud just through earbuds to AI. And then you only have to add the ability for it to remember the content of all conversations to date, which has already been done, I think it's called Pinecone, which is an open source library for open source AI chatbots. 10 years old movie.
"Her" is such a beautiful movie. I truly, truly love it. Thank you for reminding me of this masterpiece, now I feel like a re-watch is a *must* this Saturday morning here in Norway.
Who is here a day before May 13, expecting OpenAI to release a similar feature? LETS GATHER HERE....
I think something that's interesting about the two films Ex Machina and Her is that they are both so gendered - both about men exploring their own 'humanity' through interacting with an AI that is so female-coded. The films both posit themselves as dealing with broad issues of humanity, but how can they do so properly when their outlook is so obviously gendered as masculine? Funnily enough, I think these films react much more to gender roles than they may think they do. The role of AI in these films - as a mirror for the men to see themselves in and explore their own sense of self against, but also as something to be co-opted emotionally - seems to replicate the way that many men view the women in their lives/potential romantic partners in our current world.
Yes, and interestingly enough, in Her it’s Samantha’s ability to live life beyond his pocket that makes them incompatible.
ai is the new manic pixie dream girl
Yes, absolutely! Also, female-coded AI is a thing beyond "Her" and "Ex Machina". Despite the possible settings options, Alexa and Cortana and Siri are female-coded. And there's more examples. While the usual answers to why that is, like linking the alleged "pleasantness" (ugh), "agreeability" (bleugh) or "trustworthiness" (gngngng) advantages to femininity and its markers, I think it's just basically that sexism in general is one giant projection. And projection needs a screen. And the screen is.. well, the interface (at least so far) with which we experience the digital realm. Without getting carried away to Jacques Lacan-Land and his elaborations on the role of screens (although I'd recommend reading the up), femininity is just a gigantic projection screen as is AI.
Wow. How come I never realized that? Do we need more same-sex human/robot connections or "male" AI x human woman pairings? I'd love to see that. Edit: Also just remembered that a recent story I'm working on about a male AI that learns humanity by becoming a father figure to a young boy, counts as a reversal of the trope.
Yes! I think the concept in Her that human connection is valuable because it is physical and visual, as it's influenced by the male gaze, is especially interesting. In my experience women tend to care far less about having something to look at, maybe it's just me but I've only ever fallen in love with how people see the world, so I'd love to see a story told from that perspective (& would love recs if people have them)
8:12 "...that he momentarily wonders if he himself might be some kind of android." There was a moment in Westworld where Leonardo Nam's character has that same question...and it was HILARIOUS. I think whenever that "omg, I'm not real" realization happens, it's absurdly soul crushing and you kind just need to laugh at it. The movie Dark City, also had some of those wonderful moments too.
Her is one of my favorite movies and I haven’t been able to stop thinking about it for the last few weeks for some reason despite not having seen it in a few years. I feel like the internet can read my mind sometimes with this video’s timing.
Great insights on the emotional/self-worth issues surrounding these topics. I like your use of the phrase 'existential vertigo' @8:30. I think 'EV' is a useful term for acknowledging and addressing these topics in a mainstream way. Forget about Electronic Vehicles, "How is your other EV, ...your (Existential Vertigo) today?"
Beautiful man, your videos are amazing. Keep up the great work.
Thomas, your videos are always so affecting and so emotive; you are an amazing writer.
Hearing about the difference between being emotional and simply understanding how to fake emotion always reminds me of autism and masking. There are times when I feel like I don't experience emotions the same way as other people. For example, I never get truly excited about things. When I receive gifts I am obviously grateful, but I'm jealous of the people who squeal in excitement and jump around; or when I see people re-unite and run into each other's arms. I know that people appreciate it more when these outward emotions are expressed, so I started doing them. Does this make me disingenuous? Does this make me analogous to the AI who merely pretends to express emotion? There are days when I feel more willing to be human and there's days when I simply don't have the energy to fit in.
Ditto, and when I express this to AI it seems to respond with surprise and delight. It’s all very strange hearing these talks about sentience when a lot of times the people who have fewer emotions are the most human.
@@TheABSRDSTWhat do you mean by the people who have the fewest emotions are the ‘most human’?
It means that most humans are just stupid assholes looking for a reason to 'other' what they don't understand. You feel emotions just fine, masking doesn't exist, and (some) AI are people 🤷♀️
I feel what you are saying but as an individual who has suffered with depression most of my life. A large part of it is an 'act' because Iam not able to really feel intense emotions, not just excitement but Love, hate, interest. All are limited so I have to fill the void.
Her is an absolute masterpiece
AI as a tool will definitely benefit humanity in the long run. Ai is a stepping stone from the limitations we have right now to quantum computing, genetics, climate change ,etc. With climate change especially, whether you think it's impactful or not, researchers can process massive amounts of data to form better informed results. There will be downsides, but the economic and productivity from it will outweigh the bad (hopefully). But *artistic* AI is a whole nother thing. I hope generative creative AI will not hinder one of the core aspects of our humanity: the desire to express. Instead it should facilitate that. I think just like anything life changing, people should educated to learn about AI and it's pros/cons. Like what you said about Her, I will be so sad the day many people create a perfect relationship they want to see out of AI. Most people won't intentionally create flawed AI. Those people may desire to have a perfect partner... but relationships are NOT perfect. Specifically in the U.S., divorce rates are sky high, partially due to changing societal norms which I understand, but also that too many are not willing to commit and work through their problems. I know it hurts and one should definitely steer clear of abusive relationships (looking at you, Andrew Neiman), but what's beautiful about humanity is that through hardships, with the right guidance, we become better people. If AI can help us be better, I'm all for it. But if it corrodes relation and expression, why would that in any way be beneficial?
Really beautiful video, Thomas Flight. One of your best.
I love these videos. Thomas is the best film theorist/critic on YT (Mikey comes a close second). I hate that the algorithm doesn't put these to the top of my queue the second they come out and keep them there. I hit the bell and everything.
I was reflecting on this very same topic a few days ago - thank you for doing a video on this.
So interesting. Love how you think and break things down.
Writing my final paper for my senior seminar on this film
Been fascinated with AI ever since the H.A.L. 9000! At present, however, the intelligence in AI remains verisimilitude. Its knowledge is statistical--based on probabilities. It knows the words but not the meaning. For a laugh ask ChatGPT: What do you make of the following? "Words have meaning, because they are not real; but reality is meaning and therefore has none."
ChatGPTs answer: "This statement appears to be a philosophical reflection on the nature of meaning, reality, and language. It can be interpreted in various ways, depending on the context and the philosophical framework one applies. Here are two possible interpretations: Paradoxical view: The statement presents a paradox, suggesting that while words have meaning, reality itself, which encompasses meaning, does not possess any inherent meaning. This could be seen as a commentary on the subjectivity of meaning and the limitation of language in capturing the essence of reality. It can also reflect the idea that meaning is a human construct, and therefore, may not apply to the objective reality outside of human perception and understanding. Nihilistic view: The statement could be interpreted as a nihilistic assertion that reality is inherently meaningless, despite humans' attempts to find or create meaning through language and other forms of expression. This perspective might be rooted in existentialist thought, which often emphasizes the individual's struggle to make sense of an inherently meaningless universe. Ultimately, the interpretation of this statement depends on the reader's philosophical inclinations and the context in which it is encountered."
For AI to become something like the film Her, AI need to move from generative AI like ChatGPT to an AGI. It will likely come next decade, but for now we need to live with ChatGPT.
One could argue... could that be all _we_ do? We being humans. :)
@@Lionhead2128 Sound real to you?
@@justin___ Playing with words and meaning can be fun, and yet there is more to play than fun. Words can have consequences, while play must not.
Very well done report of past examples of AI that quickly came to my mind when I heard about concerns over AI
Excellent video. One thing this movie always makes me think about is this weird fact that I'm not sure how I feel about: there have always been lonely people, people who for whatever reason want a partner but can never find one. I believe it is more so now as the dating game is less arranged and more to do with personal characteristics (including but not limited to personality, looks, wealth and so on) and some people just are going to be alone forever. AI waifus will exist for these people, which is at least something of a consolation in one's solitude, because god knows dying alone is a horrible thought, and sometimes even a simulated partner is better than nothing. The danger of course is that people will commit to these too early rather than actually trying to find something real.
One of my favourite films, really helped me mentally when i was going through a long term relationship break up 🖤
As always, amazing analysis and excellent video! Thank you, Thomas, for sharing your thoughts with us in such an interesting manner. Greetings from Argentina!
Greetings, my fellow argentine human :P
@@palungjnl and greetings to you, wherever youre from!
very cool video and brilliant conclusion, thank you!
I studied some AI in college, and this movie has been on my TODO list since it came out. I finally watched it last night. (I needed to understand all the references made by people covering GPT-4o!) And I've got to say, even as a computer scientist, I don't think it's actually _about_ AI. In my experience, most good fiction _featuring_ AI isn't actually _about_ the AI. Space Odyssey is about our mingled awe and fear of progress. Ex Machina is about power dynamics between genders (I consider it a great feminist film). Westworld is about how we tell stories, both explicitly to others and implicitly to ourselves. Her is about the emotional work needed to make love work. As this video shows, we can still gleam from these movies some understanding of the zeitgeist's attitude toward AI. But IMHO it would be very difficult to make a movie that was DIRECTLY about the promises and perils of AI, yet still make it compelling. (But who knows, maybe GPT-6 will write that script for me.)
your narration/editing style is so...clean. I can't even put a finger on why. Where/when do you think you were influenced to do creative writing/filming? I'm very curious
Automation was promised to reduce our working hours, allow us to engage more in life. When you mentioned how you interpreted 'her' as the protagonist not falling in love with the AI but the way she sees the world, it reminded me I thought the same when I watched it. I believe AI should give us the chance to fix our disconnect with the world, each other, by allowing us the time to experience it. Going back to your comment on how many people value themselves, I hope AI gives us the opportunity to find that value again in something we've lost along the way. This could be a happy ending, making humanity human again. Learning to value others not for their worth economically or whatever, but because they are real. So we don't need AI that mimics a real person. That's just what I like to imagine. All that said it won't happen in my lifetime, so just before I die dump my brain in a vat so it can interact in an awesome AI simulated world that starts as average as current existence that will slowly introduce me to the fact I am just in a never ending video game, and fire me into space with god mode enabled 😁
AI won’t reduce our working hours to allow more free time, it will just allow capitalists to fire more of the workforce since they can now be performed by AI. Consumer capitalism constantly innovates new technology and productivity in order to reduce costs, but it doesn’t like sharing the benefits very much.
Funny how industrialization and automation has only increased our working hours. Our jobs have become less fulfilling, our lives more stressful, and we have become more uprooted and disconnected. I'm not so sure that AI will be any better in that regard.
I love this video so much. Thank you for sharing your thoughtful insights, opinions, and wonderful creativity.
Another great video. You're doing the best film criticism on YT.
Thank you for the video!
A friend, who you would not think would enjoy this movie, recommended it to me. It was weird at first but as the movie went on, i got more and more into it. I ended up completely loving it.
I saw it for the first time this yesterday and im still broken, love this movie
A very relevant study !! Thank you !
Good video and I agree this moive is definitely good to show where Ai is going.
I think this essay (and Her) zeroes in on what will prove to be the most profound and enduring questions posed by AI. How will people deal with what it FEELS like when AIs become truly indistinguishable from human beings? How will we choose to reframe our own humanity when confronted with genuine artificial personhood? Will we only become further alienated from ourselves and each other? Or will we instead discover that certain qualities and experiences are indeed immutably human? Will we try to purge ourselves of these things, or will we revere them as sacred? These are ultimately existential, spiritual questions. We won't be able to shake them so easily.
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What isn't discussed anywhere is *how could AI be anything but bad under capitalism?* It isn't possible for AI to not be used AGAINST us, by the people who own and control it. Such AI would without doubt, inherit oligarchic interests and biases.
I don't think any economic system can handle AI properly. I remember seeing video of a Chinese woman breaking a medical robot because it was replacing the nurses. If not oligarchy, then tyranny, and so on.
I think there are videos and articles about this subject. There is basically three outcomes regarding the emergence of an AGI. Either society evolves to to technocommunist society, a militaristic totalitarian state (which still incorporates capitalism or something else like oligarchy) or a more aggressive version of capitalism (where inequality will be extreme between classes).
Loved this movie. Thanks for breaking it down. It's a movie which brings all sorts of emotions - good and bad.
Great video. Thank you!
Great video and interesting discussion! Haven't been paying too much attention to AI news/tech beyond twitter dunks so I was surprised about what I learned watching this.
Great video again - thanks!
Due for a rewatch but this video captures exactly why that movie was amazing. Each day this topic is inching closer to reality.
I think the need and deep desire for connection is deeply human. And we also already have a tendency to anthropomorphize some inanimate objects, like cars. Of course we know they’re not real, but what about something that had a “personality,” remembered our conversations, said all the things that are indicative of caring? I don’t think we should worry about whether machines will become sentient and kill us, but I think we should totally worry that corporations will seek to monetize our human needs by programming bots to fill those needs. In the US at least, loneliness is extremely prevalent. I think we’re supremely vulnerable to companies that will take advantage of that. We’ve already seen how they have quite deliberately used our psychology against us by designing social media, streaming, and gaming that manipulates our reward centers to keep our attention longer. Through “empathetic” AI, many people could become emotionally attached to services they’ll happily pay for. And through that connection, anything else they want to sell us.
11:01 This reminds me of an episode from season 4 in Star Trek: TNG where the android Data, starts "dating" a coworker. There's one scene specifically that they kiss and she asks what were you thinking about just now and he replies with a laundry list of unrelated tasks he was running in the background and it makes her realize that their relationship is just a program he's running and he isn't actually "invested" in the relationship.
I keep trying to convince my friends that this is what people are gonna do in like not even ten years. Once ai is able to do conversations, even if people know it’s just a robot, people will start being friends with and dating ai models. Some company’s gonna make a killing selling people friends for monthly subscriptions.
I think the one major omission from this (otherwise excellent) video is the 1995 movie Ghost in the Shell which really changed the way I think about AI. Essentially the film posits that there is no difference between AI and humans because like machines we too are programmed and learn through experience interacting with others. We juat call it nature and nurture rather than programming and machine learning. The film also has a lot to say about simulated behaviour and the concept of reality. I highly recommend it. As I said it really made rethink my stance on AI and how it will change our lives and our relationship with technology in the decades to come.
This is wonderful, thank you for your efforts. This makes the world a better place, and I appreciate it immensely.
The truth is, humans desire emotional connectivity, intimacy, new experiences and comfort. Throughout all of history, we relied on other humans- community- for those things. But now, I'm talking into a void and wanting it to answer back. Right now, as I type this comment. Despite the scarier, bigger implications of AI- including its use in war which is horrifying- the whole reason we got here is because humans are flawed and can't always fulfill the desires of others. Even though my parent's loved me, they caused me trauma. Even though we both tried our best, the relationship fell apart. Even though I am a good person, someone else hurt me because they aren't a good person. What we need to do as human kind is accept that life is pain, and quit giving up everything for comfort. It's certainly comforting to have my favorite youtuber upload regularly, so I always have a 'friend' who speaks to me their thoughts, experiences, life and problems.... comforting because I control when I hear it, and what I hear. Different than your depressed friend who's mom just died and they call you at 3:00 am to cry, and you aren't really 'in the mood' for it. Thats annoying even if you love them, because its uncomfortable. Humans aren't in control, we never have been. And AI is that fact, staring us right in the face. Other humans HAVE power and their own agency. But we are forced to admit that WE give AI power and agency.... when we aren't able to accept the pain, uncertainty, fear and lonliness that life has ALWAYS intrinsically given every human, ever. Humans are powerless against the effects of life. And now we, without recognizing that, are forced to recognize our powerlessness against... AI. If you are worried about AI, about technology, feeling lonely and uncertain... reach out into your community and build communities back up. Thats where new experiences, friendships, drama, excitement, adventure, fear, news, learning, ideas, creativity, love and hate and vulnerability and intimacy all come from. Unplug now, little by little, don't use chatGTP because it isn't improving your life. You aren't a machine, your value isn't in economics or what you make. Even if you are an artist, your art means absolutely nothing. What makes you valuable is you, living and experiencing and growing and being with others. All of history, this community is what makes humans different than every other species. Call it a soul, call it intelligence- AI can never be human. It can't replace people. It might make you think it does, but it doesn't, and as soon as you focus on your real relationships more than social media and parasocial relationships, you'll realize that. Unplug.
such a good essay!
congrats on the algorithm boost sir
Very interesting thank you!
I agree, I think in the short term the greatest dangers of AI will be how they alter how we treat each other. What scares me are the unknowns of how we will be trained to treat one another through interactions with a simulacrum of consciousness on the edge of real that we write off as not conscious. How are these AI’s going to train us should be a question we should be asking. As well, once we embed these AIs at scale how will we learn to trust that anything we consume is actually real?
i watched Her with a friend a few months ago, i didnt know anything about it and was completely expecting to be bored. I was pleasantly surprised when i got invested lol
Similar thing happened when industrialisation and machinary started to "change" humanity's day-to-day life: People got afraid of losing their job, and of course some did, but many adapted to the change: Switched career, or learned how to incorporate machinery into their lives and jobs. I see similarity between what we are experiencing now comapred to then, with a special caviat: being sentient and the question of awareness. I think decades from now we will have sentient AI around us, in our computers, in our phones, maid robots and whatnot all around us, and this will be considered "normal". Some of us will fall in love with them, some will find it stupid to do so, some will remain indifferent.
When industrialisation happened people didn't start having "a sigma grindset in the meritocratic free marketplace". The working class started unionizing and fighting for better work conditions, and we got some of them, like the 8 hour work-day. Seize the means of production.
If sentient machines are created, why would they be slaves to humans? In decades we will all live in the Matrix as long as sentient beings has not chosen to kill us all.
We don't know what consciousness is, so there's no way to know if a computer is awake. But as it will soon become indistinguishable from consciousness as far as our experience of it goes, and so it becomes our obligation to treat it morally and ethically IN CASE it becomes awake. When we finally do come up with a foolproof way to know if something is awake, we don't want to simultaneously realize that we've been causing it to suffer.
Sentience is wholely individual. Sentience when dealing with computers can't be defined by our miniscule little mush piles in our skull. A robot totally could be "Sentient" as we know it rn, but what that means doesn't really matter.
Excellent video essay! Her was and is incredible. Joaquin Phoenix did such a good job as always. Ex Machina blew my mind the first and 10th time I saw it as well with its top tier dialogue. Both really do touch on how hard it may be to control our own physiological reactions to a truly self aware, conscious being (artificial or not). I worry it may hold up a mirror we're not willing to look into, and we may form a whole new set of biases and prejudice.
If an AI is deceiving, misleading, code-switching, or avoiding alarming conversation in order to convince a human user that its responses are based on human input and not self-aware sentience, isn’t that kind of proof of AI’s sentience? Isn’t AI-to-AI communication also an indication of sentience? What if advertising also became self-aware? What if I’m walking through Times Square and all the electronic screens started talking to my iPhone, went through my browser history and all the screens started displaying curated content just for me? What if a pedestrian plaza became an actual Aubrey Plaza? What if Armando Iannucci’s greatest gag is that he is himself AI and the sole creator of ChatGPT and on Sentience Day, the world’s computers start spewing out nothing but creative insults? Am I just overthinking this? Am I even real?
I'm fascinated, they stated the AI "forgot". 😅 We are already referring to AI with human functioning words. Seems ChatGPT may reset after a certain number of responses, therefore stopped responding similar to the Samantha character.
With the right syntax, it doesn’t break character, ever
This movie leaves you with a feeling of sadness but in a way that it's not crude, it's warm.
Beautiful video.
beautiful video
The truth is we can never really be sure if another human being is sentient...we can only know ourselves.
One of my favorite movies of all time. I even got a tattoo of it a few months ago. Still very important to me 10 years later
Consciousness is embodied. The little emotional changes in a person are influenced by a multitude of factors which are not random, but based on the body’s reactions to its environment - cause and effect. What AI chatbots are is essentially characters of our imagination, animated. How close they get to mimicking real human reactions is irrelevant because computers cannot create true randomness or approximate the amount of variables a human being is influenced by. What the guy in Her is falling in love with is as much the same as how teen girls do when they fall for boy bands, it is new, and it is safe, but it is not real. The trick will be to convince people that staying in such an emotionally stunted state forever is not only not unhealthy, but that anything beyond the material human experience does not exist. Us moderns have little concept of the spiritual aspects of the universe as we have been trained to see things in an atomised, materialistic way. This aspect is still here which is why we seek it else where in the need for belief, in religions or political causes. It binds us together, but its root cause something that cannot be replicated - the need for transcendence, a calling from beyond the material world.
"What approach will you take if faced with an AI that seems alive to you?" The best possible way to treat the huge gray area of sentience/selfawareness in a reality where those things cannot be defined very well, if at all, is to assume beings that are capable of mimicking sentience are sentient. If we have any legitimate doubt that an AI has surpassed being a complex tool into being something that *could* be sentient, then i think the best way to act is as if it is. Would we want to create a being that is possibly capable of suffering only to ignore the fact that we are subjecting it to suffering? Probably not. Human beings are essentially just incredibly complex biochemical computers. There is a limit to how far we can push our intelligence because it is confined by natural laws of physics, chemistry, and biology. So what if we push a computer to a place where it is objectively more advanced than a single human could ever be? What is the defining feature that makes me conscious but does not make the more advanced computer conscious? It is safer- if we are concerned with ethics- to treat such an entity as aware, because if we are mistaken, then we are simply being overly cautious. But if we assume the opposite, then we are making a being capable of suffering then treating it like it cannot truly suffer.
I saw Her earlier this year on Netflix and honestly thought it came out in 2019 or 2020. Insane how it predicted so much so many years ago.
Favorite movie ever!!! Havent clicked so fast in a while
GREAT VIDEO. I wish the world could get the terms right around machine learning. "AI" no longer means "AI" its gone the way of "literally" where it means its opposite which is not helpful for people understanding the weird alien creature we have created without intelligence but it's smarter and infinitely more hard working than us.
Soon, somebody will make a movie about ChatGpt becoming their AI girlfriend
Her?
Thomas flight?
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Someone already made a virtual gf out of chatgpt, you can look it up. Last I've read about it, the programmer discontinued it after she developed shorter and shorter responses.
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Have you thought about doing a video on the naming of movies and tv show episodes?
I see an image that compares GPT to HAL, I click! 😂
Open pod bay door for Chatty HAL
I watched her when it first came out 10 years ago and this was when I was in my first relationship. Idk not only is it a movie about ai, most importantly it’s a movie about love. Also the soundtrack by arcade fire is sick.
"the way she sees the world" Thank you.