Today we trying fixing our biggest complaint about Our CF Moto Cforce 600 and Uforce 1000
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Install completed by
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Clutch kits and flip up windshield provided by CRVPowersports.com Install completed by www.3seasrecreation.com
poor designed clutch kit the lurch can be taken out of them
Nice to have a dealer that will work with you, let you film and even work together on the install. Well done.
The thing I don't like about the primary clutch kits is they change the spring to a much higher rate spring and then increase the weights to try and make it work. What they don't tell you is that extra spring pressure will wear those plastic weight carriers much faster than normal. I have a 22 Cforce 600 and what I did to get the effect you are looking for is to replace the primary clutch spring with a lower rate spring using the same stock weights. The stock spring has a 200/400 rating part # 0951-1013, I switched mine out a spring rated at 120/400 part# 0951-1008. This gives quicker upshift at lower rpms but keeps the stock upshift rpm at full throttle. So at 5000 rpm cruising with steady throttle I gained about 5mph vs what it was with the stock spring and I likely decreased wear on the weight holders.
Thanks for the honesty, this is the kind of review people are after! Keep up the good work 👏
My 1996 Polaris 500 Sportsman has always had a smooth CVT. I’ve only had to replace the belt once. Same factory weights. Can’t speak for the new models but my 28 yr. old machine has always been smooth.
#1 thing I took away from this video is that your pond is looking awesome. I bet you'll be getting some great action out of it this summer. (not to take away from the main purpose, the pond in the background just really stood out)
Hey Adam! Informative video,thanks for the honesty and clarifications on the work done. Is the pond holding water? I think that's as much water as I have seen in it so far. Have a good one,take care and God Bless!!!❤😊
I have CF 1000 overland, I got primary and secondary clutch kit. Primary kit smoothed out starts a lot when clutch was warm. Secondary spring raised RPM across the board as it's supposed to do to get higher in powerband, More power but less gas milage. Not needed on a 1000 cc machine on real trails. I'm taking secondary back to stock
I did have the clutch kit replaced after seeing your first video. Mine got better, especially in reverse, but still have a little jerkiness. Still, I love my UForce 1000 and could not do the work on my ranch without it. Even my dog loves going for rides in "Buzz". I also got the new windshield, but I got the power version so I could adjust through the full range of openings. It was my wife's Christmas present and she loves it!!!
Pond update complete - looks great!
Great video, honest report and good to see a real mechanic working his trade. 👍
Jerky starts are just part of owning a ATV/UTV with a CVT that has to engage the belt to get started, just part of it and rarely can be improved without affecting another area of operation with the clutch. How do I know? 21 years of CVT clutching experience.
If anyone knows, it’s you guys, keep up the good work. i have always been satisfied with the hunterworks products on my polaris units.
@@765Guys Thanks for the comment, we try!!
My 2022 600 was smooth from the factory somehow, high or low gear doesn't matter. I never had that jerky start when taking off.
@@ihatelols smaller cc and smaller sized machines can be smoother due to weight more than anything, easier to get going.
@@HunterworksYup, makes sense. It is just that, the older 500 and 600cc models have quite a jerky start, my 2022 model is so smooth compared to them.
Good video Adam. I really appreciate the honesty you provide in your reviews. It tells me a lot about you as a person. I understand the dilemma. My small channel gets to review products from time to time and I always tell the company that I will review their product, but it will be a totally objective review. I recently turned down an offer because they said "if you find any problems please contact us before you publish your video". That spoke volumes about their business.
I have a 23 UForce 1000 that has the same jerky problems. I put in a clutch kit from RNG Performance. I just did the primary spring and weights. It helped but didn't completely fix it. I really like the 1 piece flip up. I have the 2 piece flip up from Super ATV. It's ok but a little breezy in the winter. It looks like the 1 piece seals up a lot better. Dave
Nice informative video on both wheelers. I have been thinking of getting a side by side whick would be more useful for what I do with it.
Glad it is working for you. I chose to go with a Kubota RTV for everyday farm work and a geared Yamaha ATV for the trails. A belt drive never seemed right for me and my tasks.
CForce 1000 touring is about to be released in US def worth looking at for the price (90 hp), new CVT too
Thanks for the transparency Adam! I have a 2023 cforce 500, the low is jerky but I guess it’s just something I’ll have to get used to, overall great machine other than that!
Our kits are dialed in. Will make it smooth like a car. We manufacture our own springs it’s all in how the springs are built.
Yes I agree with RNG. We have installed the upgrade on our CForce 500's and LOVE them! Easy peasy to do it yourself! Smooooth is all I got to say.
Nice to have a dealer to work with. That is always number one for equipment. I am still rocking a 2000 Kawasaki Prairie 400. My dad bought it new. I bought it from him 8 years ago. The carburetor is annoying, but once I figured out to use 100% gas it has been fine. I often want a new machine, but I look at the price and think "my old machine still works just fine." I use it for hunting and for pulling a small trailer around my property.
I have a 22 Uforce as well, From what I can gather the clutching isn't really the problem, although some kits will help with less abrupt engagement. The problem lies in the fuel mapping. A proper aftermarket tune is said to help the most.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for this 💪🏾
Just showed me that if I have a clutch problem, it is going to the dealer. Doing that myself I can see a dozen ways to mess up.
Adam you’re more than capable of doing the clutch. Always nice to watch first time. They’ll let you know the settings when you order it. And Doug could whip up a Clutch Compression tool in a jiffy
Adam: it would be great to see a pond update after all the rain we’ve had this month here in Western Pennsylvania, I’m thinking it ought to be full.
One thing to keep in mind some quads and sxs going to an aftermarket belt can help with that feel / jerkiness, with the weight and material they made of but that’s a lot of trial and error
Or installing after market clutch kit
Skip the aftermarket belt.... not worth the ink that's printed on them imho.
A belt & clutch will always have some jerkiness when first engaged. Compare this to the Honda automatic transmission in their side by side and you still made the correct decision. Belts are a cheap replacement compared to a full transmission. My RZR 1000 has some jerkiness as well. Every manufacturer drives different to some extent. That’s why they make them for everyone’s budget. Happy trail riding!
Had a 2020 Yamaha Viking and it had it too, don’t have any other sxs to compare it too but it didn’t appear to me to be an issue just part of the design.
I commented on your review video and was looking at the time which clutch I wanted for my’23 Uforce 1000. I bought the same components, different supplier. Did the work myself and had no issues. There’s still a little time for initial engagement but very little. With the setup I put in it greatly improved my low end and makes low gear work like it should. I‘ll be interested to see if you feel the difference when pulling your trailer loaded with firewood.
Love that power washing station! Take care Adam!👍🏻
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Great video, more content like this. I have stuck to Honda but if your mods fix issues with CF, they could become an option. The price of Honda and the other top 5 are pretty costly nowadays.
Stage 1 clutch kit from (MSC) Main Street Cycle will cure that jerky start. I installed one on my 22’ zforce 950 HO Sport. It’s so smooth you wouldn’t think it was the same machine. Plus the low and mid range has improved drastically. And the secondary clutch press tool, I don’t remember what it costs but I made one for about $15 bucks and it works perfectly. Super say to make with common everyday hand tools.
They're stage one isn't that smooth maybe 5%. over stock would try another clutch tuner..
I put an RNG primary kit in my Uforce1000. It made a very noticeable difference. Can't say its absolutely perfect all the time, but way better than it was before.
I have the same atv and just installed the same kit two weeks ago, as I to was in search of low end power. I thought the kit made a nice difference, not earth shattering like the KZheadrs that sell them claim, but a good bit better than stock. Mine wasn't like an instant response but more of a linear feel, but it's there. I clocked my secondary to b1 as I still have stock tires, what size are your Bearclaws? Those are a heavier tire, and especially if you went up in size you might really benefit by clocking it to b2.
They are stock size but yes they are 8 ply instead of 6 ply stock tires
Good info. I noticed the audio levels were all over the map. At some points I had to crank the volume to hear anything, then a few times I had to turn it down to avoid getting blasted out of the chair. The lower volume levels were because the other folks weren't mic'ed, and the really high levels seem to maybe be off the camera audio instead of your lapel mic?
Sorry about that
Unfortunately with belt drives, the jumpyness will be something to live with. Every make and model is a little different, but I feel the larger HP machines are worse. I have a single cylinder,52 HP CanAm and it isn't nearly as bad as my larger Polaris 1000 was.
Hey Adam how does your pond look ? Has the water level come up anymore?
Adam I think a lot of the issue with the jerkiness has to do with what’s called the “pedal map”. This is in the calibration and determines how fast or slow the throttle opens in relationship to how far the actual throttle pedal moves. On many SXS models today they have throttle modes such as work, standard and sport. All those modes are doing is changing how quickly the throttle responds to your pedal input. My suspicion is on your U-force SXS is that calibration is a bit too aggressive. This is why you get used to it and you can learn to be smooth vs. a beginner. You understand that you have to ease into the throttle or be gentle with your inputs in order to get a smooth drive away. I hope that makes sense. Unless CF comes out with an updated calibration you’re pretty much stuck with what you have as clutching will only get you so far. 28 year ATV/UTV/SXS mechanic!👍🏻
Could see the pound in the background looks like it’s hit its level.
I added a clutch kit to my uforce 600. I didn’t find that much difference. I then followed someone else’s lead and added a 2” long compression spring to the gas pedal. Worked better than a clutch kit. 10 minutes and 2.00$
A couple years ago I was looking for a Honda and the dealer said….”All we have are these CF bikes.” He didn’t seem too excited to sell me one so I moved on. Luckily a buddy had just what I wanted in perfect condition so I bought his.
Thanks
As a lifelong snowmobile rider I can tell you the best you can do about jerking is replace the factory cast clutch with a well balanced billet clutch and internals, beyond that you have to learn how to drive your machine and more importantly with any enclosed system you must be diligent in cleaning and maintenance or your just fighting a losing battle. Brand name has nothing to do with it as most don’t manufacture their clutch’s they’re buying them. CF moto is a decent midrange brand but the downside at this point is they don’t offer an extensive assortment of options and accessories, for me most importantly they offer no track options and if you put aftermarket tracks on you have voided the warranty unlike Can-am which offers fully integrated track options with full warranty.
Got a new Cf moto uforce 600 little jerky got a 2009 grizzly 450 smooth as silk in low and high always never touched belt or clutches still has 15 yr old battery starts every time!
This is where yamaha shines. Constant tension and drive on the belt means no jerk on take off since they just act as variable gearing. Then the clutch does the engaging nice and smooth. I dont know why every company hasnt copied that design.
Both have stock tires. C1 is less aggressive than B2 and get almost the same result. Cforce 600 was a drive by wore throttle. They have electric throttle now, so they are mapped to be smoother in throttle.
It’s ALL in what your preference is, and what your budget will allow
I have a 2023 U Force 1000 and the clutch is exactly the same as your. Its dangerous, especially backing up into a building as the machine can take off in an instant. Can't believe CF Moto hasn't addressed this safety issue.
Better but not perfect…😮 The pond looks good. Update?
I know this is a family show, but when he said the spring has to stay in the "B" hole. I giggled a little... a lot, maybe. Sorry, I'm a child😂😂😂
Great update, I would imagine that the items you noticed would catch the attention of other CF users. It’s not in your case but when expectations are high, you could sometimes feel, that the end result is that you’re putting lipstick on a pig. The individuals at the dealership are very knowledgeable, helpful, accommodating and show a supportive eagerness to complete a value added result for the customer. 👍👍👍
While the new windshield will help, I think you'll still be faced with a venting issue. You've opened up the front to let more air in, but there's no where for the air to flow out. If it had a split back glass you could open or some way to vent air it would be more effective. And because of the direction your door glass opens it's going to try and force even more air into the cab with no way for air to get out if you open them.
The back windows on the door open as well to allow the air to flow through
I have Polaris ranger 900xp and the clutch is jerky real bad I am not impressed with how it works. How about an update on the pond.
You should research Dura-Clutches as replacement upgrades for your Ranger. If you’re looking for smooth drive-away and overall smoother performance, they are tough to beat.
I've bought a few inexpensive outdoor toys for the kids and what I've found is a good clutch makes an enormous difference in how the machine performs, especially in situations where you are going up a steep hill, or trying to power over obstacles at low speed. I'm not saying that CFMoto isn't a good machine and isn't adequate to the challenge by any stretch. I'm simply saying that a down-market clutch and a high-end clutch make the world of difference. The inexpensive dirt bike I bought my kids burns out the clutch going up an incline without them even on it. Can't even get started. The used honda dirt bike my buddy bought will take him up the hill from a dig, no problem. That was enough to sell me on quality components. That doesn't mean I will only buy the new name brand, but it does mean I'll prefer a used named brand over a new off-brand and I will consider the longevity of what I'm trying to use it for... I've just gotten to the point where I don't want to fuss with something to save some money. I'll take the time, save up, buy the right thing once, which is hard too do as you get up in the price range of some of these things.
If it was me I would of changed the belt to the new one while it was all apart . Why not
Rng proformance or Msc cycles have the best clutch kits. They have1000s of hrs in testing.
Not a fan of the belt drive. They all seem to be jerky. Give me an old school manual shift wheeler. The clutch kit on my 07 artic cat 500 made a huge difference for turning tires and climb ability.
Adam, good video. I commented on an older video of yours, as to the quality of CFMoto, and how I stay with name brands, because they are proven. No disrespect to you, but you get what you pay for! My Yamaha is almost 20 years old, never been back to the dealer for any work, runs like new, and I’ve loved it from day one. You have two years on that atv and still are not happy with it. Hope you don’t keep putting money into it to make it “right”. Have you heard the phrase, polishing a turd?
It’s not broken we’re just tuning the clutch.
No disrespect but that Yamaha is 20 years old.. try going into a dealership today ATV prices are just nuts they're toys for fun or some work.. with extremely high interest rates people can get 80 to 90% of the fun in a cf-moto vs name brand unit no accessory with out refinancing your house.. a $150 clutch kit vs $100 extra per month for 2 or 3 years is a no brainier
@@joebrown9621 When I bought the Yamaha I could have bought something cheaper then too, but I didn’t. Would be fun to hear what Adam thinks of his machine in 8 or 9 years from now, if he still has it?
You do know CF moto originally started out making a lot of parts for yamaha right?? The 4x4 system and diffs were made by them. Diffs and 4x4 in my Gen 1 cfroce 500 are same exact diffs that were in my 05 Rhino 660.
@@garyenglish9338say it louder for those in the back and also those in denial 😂 my cforce 600 goes anywhere I need and keeps up or performs better than the competition at 60% of the price!!
main street cycle has the best clutch kit n tune for cf motos also biggest dealler for cf moto in the united states
So UForce still has a jerk, and 600 is the same as before. So really the only improvement was a new windshield 😬
How bout pond update, your not far from me and we’ve been getting quite the rains lately. Blessings
I hate to tell you that that clutch was installed incorrectly in the CForce 600 and likely in the UForce as well. When he lowered the helix on the secondary he should have pre tensioned the spring clockwise to the next slider. At least that is what the video shows. Your secondary spring is now having to rotate back to the next slider resulting in poor performance and increased heat as well as being the wrong tension. I’m not claiming to be an expert but I would definitely watch some of the other videos available online to confirm.
This is typical of anything Chinese made. In general the products have defects and design flaws. In 20 years they will own the ATV/UTV market because people like you assisted them with real world testing and helped them establish a foothold. It's harsh but true.
So American, Japanese, and other country's products don't have design flaws?
@@ian3580 They do a better job of R&D
@@WeSRT4 Yet American auto makers still have huge recalls and deadly flaws. The issues highlighted here with these two units, which were significantly cheaper than the competition, are extremely minor issues that most people wouldn't care about or bother with....and if they did care they probably would buy a different brand machine. I'm no fan of China and would prefer American (or at least North American) made but to say that Chinese products are always junk is far from the truth.
@@ian3580 They start off junk. People buy the junk and then eventually they take over. Do what you want.
@@ian3580 Do what you want. Some people just like to buy the cheapest.
I didn't see that guy doing the to clutch for the 4wheeler he didn't pretenchen the spring when he put it back together that's y u might not notice a lot of difference.
Looks like bad design…. Not sure if the kit will fully address your concern
4000 miles on my Suzuki belt but it is only a 400. I abused the belt when I put a Groundhog Loader attachment on the front of it. Wear safety glasses messing with your machine, you never know what will happen with stuff under spring energy.
Belt drive will never be the same as a shaft drive vehicles.
I'm not brand loyal. I've owned Polaris, Honda, can am and Suzuki. Sxs's and quads. 9 months ago bought a new 2023 600 touring. I have 4200 miles on it. Always ride 2 up with girlfriend. I was a little hesitant to buy a Chinese brand but did my homework first. To date, have not had a single problem with it. I am anal about the maintenance and do it all myself. On original belt as well. Been very happy with my purchase thus far on this fully loaded machine. Its my opinion that its mostly how You maintain your machine. They all have issues in time. If you don't own a CF moto your opinion is not worth much in Regards To CF moto. Buy what you want and have fun.
what you call "clutch pucks" are actually part of a cush drive system.
its not fine tuned enough yet that machine should have not left the shop until it was tested.
Day 1 of requesting a pond update
Can we get a pound update vid
When a Chinese manufacturer brings out a new product they copy others as cheaply as possible. The parts look the same , but they don’t perform the same As customers complain about an issue, they sell replacement parts to fix that issue. They’re relying on their customers to point out problems rather than engineering a good product from the start.
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Best way to fix it is to get a honda I promise you you won't be disappointed
Ah yes, such First World problems. :)
You need to change the thumbnail or something. Didn't realize this was your video and almost skipped it.
Or you could just buy a Polaris and not have these issues.