www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2009...
CBC's documentary series, The Fifth Estate, aired this documentary on fighting in hockey back in 2010.
This video does not reflect my thoughts, opinions or stance on fighting in hockey and is posted for educational purposes only.
A lot more people have been paralyzed or killed by dirty hits than fights.
Some of which could've been prevented without the instigator rule.
Yeah, those fighter kill themself from the pain and depression. That doesn't count ? Do you know how many fighter died in the past 10 years because they could not live with themself on different levels ? The deaths are way more on the enforcers side and that is a tragedy.
@116287225274358434564 Yes, but I think if all players on a team stepped up instead of having one guy (the enforcer) step up for the entire team, there would be a healthier balance and less long term problems. Also, again, dirty hits are far more dangerous than fighting, even if the player is an enforcer type who fights every few games.
***** Fighting mediates the tone of the game. If someone is running at guys left and right, someone will drop the gloves with them and the amount of hitting in the game is reduced, because they know they will have to answer to it. But, yes, guys will always cheapshot. It's a contact sport and things will get carried away, which is also why fighting will always be apart of hockey.
***** It absolutely does. I doubt you've ever played hockey.
Fighting keeps the peace. No fighting means a lot of cheap shots...
Lacrosse allows fighting too.
Also The NFL has plenty of cheap shots. The NBA does too, but is not as physical of a game so you don't see tempers fly as much. Hockey players too get suspended and fined when they cheap shot too.
***** well I disagree that football is more physical, but even if, it doesnt really collapse my argument. Their are still plenty of cheap shots in football.
***** It is opinion and what you say about getting hit on every play in football and being able to go a whole game in hockey with out getting hit tells me you have some biased and have never actually played both sports if either. Not here to debate which is more physical though. Back on topic though, you see just as many cheap shots in football as you do hockey and many times they start scrums then it later results in another cheap shot. Again I'm not sure if you have watched hockey or even football, but hockey players don't go around throwing cheap shots every play or even every game. You can play the game with out fights, but it truly does keep the game more honest. It is part of the game and is no more dangerous than allowing players to body check each other or really any MMA or boxing match out there.
***** Like I said, biased. You are confusing blocks and scrums with hits. At your rate you might as well say basketball players take hits every game when they set picks and box each other out.
The BEST part of hockey.
Plenty of people die crossing the street. We don't all stop crossing the street...
I can’t belive I used to play this game in the 80s it was brutal I’m still feeling the affects from shots to my head 40 years later it was savage
It seems to have robbed you of your ability to use punctuation. 😄
Perfect metaphor for life. I was 5’5” 125lbs in the 8th grade, getting bullied at every turn, when my dad told me, “Nobody can stop people from picking on you. Not your teachers or counselors, not the police, and not even myself. The one and only thing that will stop these kids from picking on you is the prospect of a violent reaction. You don’t even need to win, you just need to fight back. Ponse pensar carbon.” My life changed that day. My only regret is that I didn’t give my tormentors something to think about earlier in my life.
So right dude. I had just told my kids this the other day.
Exactly even if you lose a fight you'll get respect because next time the tables can turn.
@Chavron Chavron,reading your post was like reliving my youth.I was 5'5",but only 100 lbs.I did everything I could to bulk up,so that the bullies would leave alone.Did'nt work out that way.All thru high school I was tormented.A couple of guys on our high school hockey team were the worst.I always tried to fight back,but I was small and weak,with no fighting skills at all,but I tried.Right after I graduated,I had my growth spurt.By then,I was boxing,taking a little karate,and wrestling,all to develop some skills.4 months after graduating,I was at a keg party in the woods,(I'm 63),when the two bullies showed up with their entourage,immediately focusing on me.But just like you and your dad,my dad had told me,"guy's bully other guys because they think they can get away with it.But when they get punched in the face,they'll leave you alone".I knew he was right but still,punching a guy in the face,a guy who's been beating you up for years,is a hard thing to do.But I did it,they weren't gonna let me get away without a beef,and,God as my witness,they got one.Broke one nose,along with a knockout.Word traveled fast,and people started leaving me alone,but I squared up with EVERYONE WHO EVER FUCK.D WITH ME...
You're right. If they think you might give them a violent reaction, they won't. I met a person years later who bullied in school because of his own issues. He told me he only picked on person who he thought could get away with.
This is going to sound bad, but respect keeps you from getting hurt. You hear stories about what happens to adult men who look weak in prison, and that kind of mentality exists with kids (at least boys) growing up. And all these injuries they're talking about in this documentary? We're flying twenty miles an hour on the ice? (maybe not that speed but something like it) and our goal is to get this hard rubber puck that easily gets slapped around at 50 miles per hour as kids and in the NHL leagues a strong defense man can hammer that thing home well above a hundred miles per hour. The ref drops that puck and the adrenaline surges in us to compete and push us beyond our limits - to win. Also you ever get hit by that thing at an unpadded part of your body? Sh*t that stings afterward. Ice hockey is a nascar crash waiting to happen, and all this crap about injuries from fighting? What does more damage to a person. A car crash or a broken nose? It's not the punch that hurts someone - we're not the UFC and ground and pound fellas - but its that head and (most recently) the neck with that one guy who died a few months back. Sticks, blades, and shoulder checks that are laser guided missiles and depending on what part of the body they COLLIDE against that will cause a concussion or other serious injury. In my lifetime as a player I only had one serious injury and it came from my skate getting stuck in a rut and a hard open ice hit. As I was a sitting duck my body and leg twisted one way, and my ankle and foot stayed in place. Decades later I still feel the fractures in my ankle (I had only thought it was a bad sprain and never had it looked at by an actual doctor). But that's mild comparatively. It was Kaleta from Buffalo who did that dirty hit on Brad Richards back in March 2013? For all the naysayers of fighting out there go look that up on youtube as well as other life threatening hits that happened in hockey. That said, as a native of Rochester I followed up on Kaleta and while he's no longer in the NHL (he never played again after that hit) he changed his attitude, turned his life around, and became a good role model for hockey youths in the community. Not making excuses, just keeping it real. So if you're going to talk about "fighting" you first need to address head hunting and I would go so far as to say open ice hits. And for those who don't understand why an open ice hit is worse than one against the boards? Get out of here and go back to playing baseball or video games or watching CNN or whatever. I only made it 27 minutes into this "documentary" before turning it off given how out of whack it was in terms of objectivity. Hockey is a violent competitive sport that requires aggression in order to win. If you don't give that aggression an outlet eventually someone is going to get hurt and it won't be from a punch being thrown. A good parent will recognize if their kid isn't having fun in the sport if the violence is a problem, in which case that kid shouldn't be on the ice. Go play soccer or something - but not hockey.
I know Nick, I played on a few teams with him growing up. My hear sank the night he was knocked out. One of the nicest guys you will ever meet. One thing anti fighting people should know. Most fights aren't the heavyweights in the NHL. They are usually on the bench when a fight starts. They need to bring hitting back to every level of hockey. Teach kids right from the start on how to hit properly. I played for 35 years, I was a goalie. Tryouts for junior teams, they told me to fake getting hurt if someone bumped me so a fight would start in a scrimmage to see if a guy was tough enough. I had 1 fight in 35 years, a guy grabbed me, pinned me to the ice. I never fought again. A waste of energy, I had guys to protect me, without fighting more injuries would happen.
I remember a Flyers game when ken linebsman flyers center was brutally crosschecked across the back of the neck into the ice by Ed Hospadar the enforcer for the other team Linesman had the nickname the rat and didn't shy away from poking someone in the side with his stick. My guess was That Linesman had broken one of the unwritten rules so Hospadar did his job as enforcer. This was met by the Flyers who put 5 tough guys on the ice to pic a fight with Hospadar. Mel Bridgeman took the challenge and proceeded to pound the heck out of Hospadar. Bridgeman not known as a fighter was actually a tough guy who was no slouch when it came to fighting but the Flyers had many players just like him, that was probably one of the reasons they were called the Broad street Bullies. Later in New York the Rangers picked up an enforcer from the North Stars who was a very good fighter. He got injured perhaps in a fight but i really don't remember how but that player started using drugs for pain and while out on iR died back in Minnesota while trying to heal from his injuries. The Boogy man Derek Boogard died from the drugs he was using to control the pain and an autopsy showed that his brain was suffering from the blows that he had taken from the many fights that he had fought while earning his living.
Seeing that fight between Derek Boogaard and Wade Belak just shocks me to think that they emerged passing away within months of each other.
Man, when I played hockey I looked forward to fighting. It's a part of hockey! It is something that will spark up a team and help to get the ball rolling.
Hell, I went to the fights last winter in Canada and a hockey game broke out :)
I played in yhe 60's 70's and its just part of the game, frustration, cheapshots, it can get the team stirred up and work harder for a W.
theres a reason why Wayne Gretzky would only go to the Kings with Marty McSorley included in the deal.
I just came here to say KEEP FIGHTING. Its needed and it will never go away.
This happened in my hometown. So sad. R.I.P. DS
Hello! I hockey fan from Eastern Europe. I love canadian hockey, and I undestnad what fighting in NHL have long history, many toughguys played and fight and people with interest and pleasure watch toughguys chellenges. Fights the part of the hockey? - Yes, sure yes! BUT, now come time to finish with this part of the game. In last decades NHL met with problems of injuries, concussions problems and last sience researches about danger of concussions and it consequence for players health and psyhology. Fights and concussions have a strong link of reasons and consequence. Not all players have titanium health to stand so much damage and risk. NHL and NHLPA need to prohibit fights and work with teams and players on the way to low level of aggressiveness in hockey games, and grow up level of playing etics and respect between players. Someday it moment will happening and it will be begining of new hockey age, more safer to players, playing hockey without excessive risk. It must be new era, and players will spent they psyhological energy on play hockey, and not to abuse between benches and words unmotivated aggression.
I played the game for 25 years and fighting was and will always be a part of this game. CHEAP SHOTS are the danger here and fighting keeps them in check.
Ricky Pisano could you not police dirty hits by some sort of video review that could access multiple game suspensions and financial penalty?
@@crumdoggy Yeah, I don't get it. I mean there is certainly more risk due to getting hit with sticks and blades than in other sports. But Basketball, football, american football. In all of these a dirty player can easily cause serious injuries that put players out for weeks or months and even end their careers. Is the solution in these sports to let the players fight it out to keep those instances down? No, there are penalties. But in hockey players should be allowed to fight. If someone does a cheap shot, penalize him, take money from him, ban him. If someone hits someone else with a stick in the head, hand them over to the police because of assault. These things should make hockey players learn to change their ways. The reason why I think it's allowed is because people like it. They want to see the fights. Same kind of people that want to see crashes in racing, instead of watching the actual races probably.
Davey Hilton used to thumb me in the eye when sparring, not much you can do there. He did throw a drink on Gretsky's face once.
@@mike62mcmanus AWESOME!! I can relate in a different way to the eye thumb. My wife and I were walking down Venice Boulevard in West L.A. right where Motor St. crosses. There's an Army Surplus store in the lot there. To make a long story short I end up getting into it with this jerk over something he said to my wife. We minded our business, didn't bother anyone there and this goon had to open his mouth. He was a fairly big guy....probably 225LBs at least and a bit shorter than me. Now I'm lanky....6' 2" and about 185 LBs. So he definitely had the weight advantage. Not much of a puncher though but he could take a shot. So we're in this lot... right off Venice and FIGHTING. My wife is screaming at me.... and him. Just a scene. So...I hit him good...a few shots and he's missing me with every punch. But he managed to grab me and start wrestling. I ended up on my back with this idiot goon on top of me ready to T off on my face. Without as much as a thought I reached up with my left hand and stuck my thumb right in his eyeball....LOL.. HARD!! Almost took his eye out man. He jumped off me like he had jets on his ass and ran to the other side of the lot screaming at me that I was crazy. But I'll tell you this.....I didn't know this dude and IT WORKED. He no doubt would have pummeled my face so really no choice, right? Especially with Mama there. It was the only time in almost 10 years I had to get into it....thankfully... but yeah..... the thumb to the eye was a life saver for me. Worked like a charm. Stay well man!!
@@crumdoggy No.
If Sidney Crosby had a McSorley, he'd have a lot fewer concussions.
Ya pretty much. Gretzky and Crosby aren't 6'5 like Lemiuex who could defend himself
He had a McSorley for a year. And Laraque. and a few other chippy enforcer types.
Crosby made himself a target by being a crybaby, and brashear would have beat you ass again marty, you no talent cheap shot turd.
Absolutely! he will never be the toughest guy on the ice, but he will be the most talented!
@@slamminsammy941 spoken like a libby. A guy like you should keep your mouth shut
McSorley's on-ice character summed up.
Good on u Nick for your honesty! R.I.P. Mr Sanderson ......
As a non hockey following fan, I’ve always admired how badass of a sport it is !!
Its the only fair and JUST sport... You are a bitch, you get treated like one... Pretty much the opposit of soccer
Last season I saw two players fight one another and after they gave one another a pat on the back as to say "good fight bro" #Respect
Trent Hogan if you fight somebody like a man, you might as well be polite after the fight... Like a man.
Yes, exactly.
Pewp Face Go fuck yourself you piece of shit troll.
Hahaha that guy's name is Pewp Face.
Pewd face LMAO
I remember when this happened. In my hometown. Tragic
Was at that game where Kypreos got laid out. Crowd went bananas. Looking back at it now, dude's lucky to still be alive.
That's why he broke down when asked if he wanted his kid to follow in his footsteps .
So he died because he fell without a helmet, could happen and has happened without a fight too
Hyvin sanottu.
Niinpä
mutta se tapahtui nimenomaan tapellessa niin kaikki kukkahattutädit saa siitä jotain mistä huutaa...
They can fall off during a hit, let alone a slapshot to an un-vizored forehead or to the throat. Hockey is a deadly sports, hands down
Really? I see guys get their helmet knocked off from hits all the time. As far as fights, Players can't take their helmet off during a fight, it has to be knocked off.
Cant sleep at night. That’s unbelievable.
Had major fight with one of my best friends we played on different teams.. Didn't change us ws just played on different team's, you jack one my players we need to GO
The Sanderson story is a sad and truly tragic anecdote. It might even warrant a "safety in hockey analysis", for which you'd need to list all serious injuries in a given period, categorize and chart the causes. My guess is among the causes topping that chart, fighting would not be among them.
Hockey fighting is the sports great equalizer ensuring players safety for everyone. Checks and balances.
A fist fight is the perfect release of bundled up energy, you don't take it home you sort it right there and then. No matter how sheltered a kid is raised there will come a point where you will have to stand up for your self, we should raise the importance of sports like hockey that encourage and teach the fair fight. If everyone was taught to fight fairly and not punch people when they are down as well as learn to accept the fact of getting your ass beat when you loose, the world would be a much better place.
This breaks my heart.
Heartbreaking: It's a choice to play the sport. To watch the sport. It comes with the territory. It is the toughest, fastest most difficult sport there is.
The thing that disturbed me when I was watching this was the fact that these guys consistently punch each other in the back of the head. That's extremely dangerous. That's right where your spinal chord and brain stem are located. It's not the top of the back of the head that's so dangerous but the lower part. Where the head and the neck meet. In MMA this is illegal. In Hockey it seems to be fair game. That's really fucked up. Has anyone ever addressed this or even spoken about it?
Beat it, no one cares.
@@roostercogburn1943 Cave man want watch fight, no think
@@bombarded15 Yup, and keep fighting in the game.
Normally, the guys are facing each other, so it wouldn't happen much... or at worst would be glancing blows... That thing with McSorley and Brashear and that thing in Vancouver ... were anomalies...plus it had nothing to do with the code... it was guys going totally off the rails...criminal act & a lengthy suspension, which amounted to a lifetime ban in McSorley's case...
I agree 100% with Don
this documentary is so cool
I was the enforcer on my curling team for 3 years. I am not proud of some of the things I had to do.
Imagine how much better they'd be to watch if fighting were allowed in Curling or Golf? LOL!!
You mopped the floor with alotta guys?
@@duanedavidson7219 Sometimes………..in the still of a cold winters night………I can still hear their screams. SWEEEEP ………HURRY HARD……..SWEEEEP……….ALL THE WAY………..SWEEEEEEP !!!
My condolences to the family and friends. Getting killed playing the game you love just doesn't seem fair.As an ex player,it breaks my heart for his family.....RIP....
As a kid growing up in the UK I was amazed playing NHL 93 that part of the game was a fighting mini game at times. Loved it as a kid but as an adult I must admit is is rather odd to see it glorified when the point of the sport is to score goals. If you want to watch fighting then watch MMA or boxing instead of 2 guys on skates grabbing each others shirts and rolling around
I definitely agree that cheap shots are more dangerous than a fair fight.
Fights are the main reason I watch Hockey
RIP Enforcer era of hockey, thank you to all the gladiators, I miss seeing you guys go to work. I'm not talking about cheap shots or sucker punches, I'm talking about 2 willing combatants taking center stage for their teams.
I have a feeling it's about to make a comeback. The Rangers DEFINITELY need some enforcers.
your dreaming tho, sucker punches are also a part of the game and iv'e seen the toughest best fighters in the game do it like using the rest room!! and that was just that, nobody had anything to say to them - like you and the s..t your talking now, at least not to their faces!!! it's the same as the code of a street fight or in the wild west, be aware of your surroundings- situational awareness.. or get snuffed thats reality, iv'e seen bob probert , tie domi, etc.. etc.. snuff/ sucker punch prob more players than you kissed woman, and what are you going to say next? that they were not gladiators?? So i'm not so sure you know w.t.f. your talking about.. snuffing guys is a part of the code... and only the bravest of fighters have quick thought the consequences of retaliation and could care less! so how about that for a reality check. tks for your post anyway..lol.
@@paulcarey191 Great that you enjoyed seeing cokeheads and weasels use Bush league tactics. Barry Bonds for example was a great athlete in spite of using steroids, however the roid use made his accomplishments unrespectable. I respected toughness and fair play, not lowbrow goonery. I could care less if I was the only one who felt that way, but I’m not however. Thanks for your interest 👍🏻
@@thedrewdog This aged well. Meet Matt Rempe ;)
Nice Jersey, the one that says, "Whitby Dunlops".
I look at this way.. It doesn't even have to be about hockey.. You can be in kidergarden, elementary or HS.. There is always! ALWAYS! gonna be a bully or punk or tries to test you. or someone else.. If you don't stand up for yourself your done! We need these guys to protect our top guys.. Yes it sucks some guys have taken their own lives due to brain injuries. But if you look deeper it may aslo be something else.. How many boxers or mma guys do you hear that took their own life due to "Head Injury" ? I honestly cant recall one.. I was such a huge fan of Todd Ewen. Super nice guy and one of the toughest dudes ever. But as for fighting I think its 100% nesseassry when needed
I played hockey forever I love it and fighting is the sport, next to scoring
Vanenbusche at 26:00... He played a few games in NHL and then came to Finland in 2006 I think, to play with Jokerit Helsinki.There was a big hype about this big goon and the first game he played against the Helsinki rival HIFK, he started a fight 10 seconds into the game (the potential fight was talked about for days in the media) and lost it. He then played a few games later but he was so bad in hockey (especially on the big rink) that I don't think he even finished the season. I think that was around the time when attitude towards hockey started to change in Finland. People got fed up with the fighting culture and it was despised that this fight was "scheduled" beforehand in the media. Nowadays in NHL or European leagues its not possible to be only a goon, you actually have to play hockey and contribute to the game. I personally like spontaneous fights that happen in the heat of the moment, but the whole culture of having a goon or a police in your team is just old and ridiculous. it is dangerous and gives a bad name to the great game.
He played a few seasons in the NHL - mostly with Chicago - not a few games. Sounds like Vandenbussche's Finnish career lasted as long as Petri Varis' NHL career.
23:41 “He’s never had a concussion. On paper”.
In my opinion fighting and the lack of serious rules against cheap shots is why many hockey fans only watch the highlights.
Hockey is the best sport in the world. Hockey and Baseball are my favorites
Hockey is a beautiful sport, a tough sport, a sport that requires quickness, agility, quick thinking, toughness and much more that only hockey players will ever understand. I love this game,,,,,,,,,, it's simply beautiful to play. As for fighting,,,,,,, I think it's time to protect the players of all ages,,,,,, and ban fighting.
So what they fight in wrestling and in UFC and other sports.
20:48 Jim's are such beauties
The radio host reeks of I was bullied by jocks in high school mentality
15:40 Yzerman foretold of the rat Marchand.
Lol, such a good call.
That's exactly what I told my son watching this, guys like Marchand would not exist and guys like Crosby could have actually had a clean shot at good career.
I am a 5-decade Boston Bruins fan, and I despise Marchand. He is a disgrace to the uniform.
@@therealspeedracer Last year Marchand and Crosby both tied in points with 100 each. Marchand is a very talented player who gets a bad rep from all of you jealous haters. . . You'd all take his talent on your team though. If you heard your team got Brad Marchand at the trade deadline, you'd be thrilled. We love him on the Bruins. And Jack Horgan you must be a liar. A Bruins fan for 5 decades and you despise Marchand? No way! Not a chance!
@@keepingitreel...8037 It don't take talent to lick people's faces and run from fights. If they're were still enforcers he would play the game a lot differently.
Paul Karyia’s career was cut short after a number of concussions from cheap shots. Where was his enforcer to protect him from such cheap shots?
Keep your head up
Fighting will never be removed from the NHL. And Gary Betman has no authority to remove it either.
As informative as this program was it skated over one huge fact. Fanny's in the seats. ESPEN TV money. The NHL even has its own broadcast network now and not a word from the commish about the money that fighting attracts. Why not eliminate fighting completely and see how it affects the NHL bottom line? Increase the rink size to the European ice? More open ice transition skating? More room behind the net? Maybe even have the Stanley Cup up for grabs with Europe? The NHL is the greatest organized hockey league in the world, but it doesn't necessarily have the best players. Fighting is not encouraged there and the game is great to watch..
Georges larauque (I think I butchered his name sorry) but he's such a good guy he was on the penguins for a short time and he pretty much instantly became my favorite player. A gentle giant except when he's out on the ice what a beast. That left hand could kill.
Exactly. And players have died.
I believe unless you're a player at some point and/or a family member of a life player, coach, trainer, etc...you cannot truly understand this. Players especially, even if you played and never fought. You were in the scrum in a moment! The code indeed. I instinctively defended people I never liked off the ice in any capacity and they did the same for me.
this guy gets it
Even in the beer leagues there is an element to it. I can't tell you how many times I've been in a scrum defending a team-mate even though technically he was in the "wrong". At the end of the day, when you put that Jersey on. You have to have each other's backs. I'm not a fighter by any stretch, just when shit goes south I'm flying in there because they would do the same for me.
I fucking love Don Cherry
I met Battleship Bob Kelly, Dave Schultz, Steve Durbano, and Rick Tocchet - all superb fighters, and all really nice guys off the ice.
Rick Tocchet, now there was a fella who could play and fight!
@@beerthug Tocchet was a machine on the ice - gifted scoring touch and top notch fighter.
@@Tomatohater64 No kidding, never saw the guy take a play off!
@@beerthug Aahh, so he gambles, big deal - so do I. 🙄😌🤫
Tough call. From a fan perspective I like to see fighting. From Hockey dad experience it's hard to see your son slowly slide in on the MRI table.
I feel that needs to be fighting for cheap shots in the game but fighting for the sake of fighting should be discouraged. The role of the enforcer is pretty much dead as of this video which is sad in a way but it’s the new reality.
If you have played hockey at ANY level or at any age, you realize it is a game of built up frustrations. The constant physical battling is a pressure cooker. The fighting pops all of that off at once. Take it all out and you will have dirty hits that kill careers and players a lot more than any fights ever will. Fights reset the slate.
We that have played the game understand the code. All other sports you run out bounds not in hockey.
Brashear should have given McSorley a rematch.
When was this video made Cherry is insane
Fighting is part of the game . If you don't allow fighting people will swing sticks and do other cheap shots .
Yeah, and during the brawling 1970's, how many players died from fighting? How many players incurred concussions? How many players do now, with a second referee and the instigator rule? I'll tell you - A HELL OF A LOT MORE (concussion-wise). And what about Ed Kea and Bill Masterton? They were horribly injured without fighting. So was Clint Malarchuk, Ace Bailey and others. Meanwhile, former enforcers like Stu Grimson and Baumgartner? Both highly educated and successful businessmen. And there's more. Fighting stays. It's a non-issue.
+Dani Harding Guys in the 70's didn't train like they do now. They all smoked, drank, and caroused. If they had the habits of todays NHL players, they would probably hold their own.
George Parros ended his career on a bad note but was a class act and gentleman in Anaheim. Princeton educated.
+alexalex939 I think you need to learn how to use punctuation and how to spell.
It's KZhead, not Advanced English.
Josh Done---- amen.
What is a punch compared to getting slammed into the boards at 25 mph?
I don't think Don Cherry knows what " CTE " is?
The liquor in the stands is more dangerous than the fighting.
Fighting does have a place in hockey, but downplaying the danger of it is fucking dumb. In my opinion the ref should break it up after a helmet flies off.
@@magicsteve5523 the fact that a player has to be worried about getting pummeled for delivering a clean hit is absurd. A legitimate reason is one thing, but having to answer the bell for NOT breaking the rules is ruining the game. Shit, if skilled players aren't meant to be hit, they might as well have different coloured jerseys on that forbids the opposition from hitting them. If you have 18 skaters dressed in a game, you get 6 different coloured jerseys that you assign to the players you deem worthy of protecting. There, I fixed it...
I could die everyday i go to work.
It's obvious! Work should be banned.
@23:09, That guy doesn't know what hes talking about. Several hockey enforcers who died brains were examined and had *CTE.* Its the long term accumulative damage that's the problem. Taking shots to the head game after game, year after year often causes brain damage that wont show up until later in a career or after a player retires. So YES there is allot of damage being done to these guys.
Philly getting some love 👍
I’m not sure the limp wristed Commies that produced this video intended that to seem favorable.
Don't fight a hockey player...you''ll get hurt.
Not all hockey players can fight. Sorry to tell you that. And I'm talking about NHL players.
Il putt up a rugby player to any hockey player
1 death in the entire history of hockey, more people have choked to death on hotdogs in the stands.
🤣🤣🤣
Concussions build on previous concussions, is the deadly truth.
What we know about CTE it’s insane that the NHL still allows head shots and fighting
1 guy dies during a hockey fight from a freak accident. Yet cars aren't banned and nor should they be.
Keep an eye out for my son. He's gonna be the NHL's biggest BadAss in history. But he wont be a SuckerPunch artist like Marchment.
Cars are useful to society with real purpose...goons are wild primates that never got what was coming to them. Your NRA logic is weak sauce. It's too bad they weren't good enough to play pro based on skill. And if their skill IS fighting...congrats...UFC will love them.
You are about as smart as Trump...and you voted against your own best interests, unless you are a billionaire? What do you do for a living? Pizza delivery--FOR SURE.
not just about the one guy dying, Its about the injuries to the many many players which leave the game with devastating effects that carries on after the game has finished for them. Its about the lasting effects of concussion after concussions. I love the fights dont get me wrong, But i cant be deluded to the effects these fights give the players. all for our entertainment
DigitalPrime With that fucking logic hits should be removed from the game also. Dumbest shit I've ever heard.
if there's one thing don was right about, the majority of those opposed to it haven't experienced it.
I've never been a criminal so I'm not allowed to assert that breaking the law is wrong.... stupid illogical argument. However, if it stops the "cheap shots"(whatever they are) to the skilful players them maybe there's an argument in favour of it. But if people die?
Doesn't matter. Players are already wise to the research and most don't want to take the risk of CTE.
So... who knows more, McSorley or Bob McGowan!!!
Fights have been in hockey for a long time. Recently worse outcomes have come to pass with incredibly reckless and outrageous cheap hits/maneuvers.
I hate to agree with Don Cherry, but I think he's right, the people who want to ban fighting, are probably non fans...who think that's all they do...and why not ban boxing, if were going to build a big nanny state, there is a code, and most of the guys play by it, and if you break it, you are forever labeled as "dirty" and you lose the respect of the players and fans...
That death was from slipping I played hockey all of my life and you really can't have an opinion unless you've played the game. It's highly emotional and tough if you don't like it turn the channel bottom line.
Uh, most of the people speaking out against fighting are NHL players, unlike YOU. I've never heard of you, so you cannot be much of a hockey player.
Fighting has it’s place in hockey but I think the ref should break it up if someone’s helmet flies off, that’s when you’re in danger of getting badly hurt. I think fighting’s a great thing for self policing a game that moves so fast the ref can’t catch every dirty play, but they need to break it up when a helmet comes off.
@@magicsteve5523 as a hockey referee that works in college hockey, I don’t want my linesman breaking up a fight until in calms down or goes to the ice. They could get hit with a punch and get injured themselves. We are taught to let the fight go until it calms down or they go to the ice. If the helmet comes off and the guys are still going strong then no linesman will step in and they shouldn’t. It’s more dangerous for all parties if they intervene to soon.
FACTS
Hockey is more important than NFL
Fighting is a necessary component of hockey. It will always be a part of hockey.
McSorely is clearly in denial!
I lost all respect for him
She will always be remembered as "Marty McSorry" after Clark destroyed her face. The high stick was still justified.
There was a period of time it felt like there was a fight and a hockey game broke out
Montreal canadiens vs the Quebec nordiques
Todd Fedoruk vs Derek Boogaard
What happened to playing hockey. How many times did Gretzky fight? Play the game.
One accidental death in a beer league fight.... and this effects the NHL how? I know this is an old subject and I'm glad they didn't take fighting out of the game. The NHL has been softened up enough, any more and I'm going to lose interest.
You have to ask yourself though...why is it that EVERYONE agrees that the best hockey is always playoff hockey?
This isn't a pussies sport !
as much as I agree, you are a fucking goof if you think senior AAA is beer league ya plug
+Tom R *Exactly* this isn't baseball...lol
Highly skilled games with few fights.
Im not against fighting, though Im surprised no one brought up International play. If fighting is so necessary, why isn't it in the International game at all. Also Im not sure but I don't think its in any Euro leagues either. I have watched a bunch of Czech pro league games and no fighting at all.
I know in the KHL fighting gets you evicted, and the SHL never really promotes nor has any fighting in it's events, and yes even in the Worlds fighting will, like in the KHL, get you evicted, I believe even suspended. And the Worlds is a powerhouse international league where Europeans and North Americans alike can share their love for the sport, and the KHL is one of the top sports leagues in Russia and other ex-soviet states, yet they have and never had fighting in their games. Funny huh.
All this despite that Russians are supposed to be the primitive brawlers according to us. Go figure
there's also a lot less hitting in the Int'l game.....it's a bigger ice surface which leads to a completely different style of play, but I'd take a stanley cup series over a gold medal game any day. and for the record, apparently so would the players...otherwise all the european players would opt to play in the KHL instead of the NHL....but that's not the case.
would you play in KHL for 1 mil/year or play the NHL for 3 mil/year ?
jessie md the KHL has the same fighting rules as the NHL. It’s just 5 minutes for fighting.
Hockey without fighting would be way more dangerous...
What happened to Brashear was what would happen MORE if fighting didn't exist.
only death I ever heard of on the ice from fighting. it wasn't a punch that killed the kid.
Louie Lauria Exactly! its sad the guy died but it had nothing to do with fighting... im actually mad they mad this video bc it had nothing to do with a fight at all. hockey helmets come off when guys fall from hits into the boards too. some guys remove their helmets during fights bc it hurts less. Sad the guy died but fighting had zero to do with this.
Lou Cypher That is like saying that a victim of a shooting didn't die because of a gun, but because of the bullet
Louie
Except it was the punch that killed him. Anyone else does it any place else it's called manslaughter.
And it was a far faaaar cry from the NHL. “So never let the facts get in the way of our story/agenda” - The Left
It's part of the game. Always has been and so it should remain.
Robo Roth let me guess, you belong to an organized religion and believe in fairy tales and/or gods
Let me guess, you're a liberal.
@@FalconX79 WTF does political leaning have to do with any of this?
@@cycologist7069 It's well known (unless you're living under a rock) that liberals are pussies.
@FalconX79 It’s well known that those prone to insulting people instead of making a point have no actual argument.
Fighting should not be removed! The issue is there isn't enough linemen to break up the fight as soon one guy goes to the ground. The ref's are out numbered. When a fight breaks out with more linemen there they can enforce the fighting rules and for nothing to get outta hand, and they need to be closer to the players/fighters. Linemen should be arms length incase a players helmet does come off and they go down. By doing this the linemen can be close enough to catch them to stop the head injury. You can put a man in a bubble and some way some how he will get hurt. Let them fight it out and be a good sport and leave it on the ice. By adapting this element there will be no reason to strip fighting from this beautiful sport. As for goones they should by regulation have to keep a minimum of x amount of play time and be a well rounded in two positions. Failure to maintain this play time will result in fines to the coaches, and owners who are responsible for it. The goone is doing what he was paid to do fight. This goone rule would strengthen every team due to there experience ice time and well honed as a universal player. Injurys happen on or off the ice. They are unexpected, and devastating to teams without experienced back ups, tht arent seasoned with actual play time. Both issues solved and in the books.
Ok, so I'm being honest when I say it's a SPORT. This shit HAPPENS. THEY ARE GROWN ASS MEN. One last sport that is allowed to get down and dirty with hands. I do however, see the scare where it can physically and mentally, severely affect or end their life. That's why they let them go at it until they can SEE it could get dangerous.
looking back at this now. fighting has evolved big time in hockey the players dont just fight but can score on demand as well its a part of the game and always will be. the death of that guy wasnt even from a fight but mere freak accident while in a fight which unfortunately happens from time to time. that sports caster is a baseball guy not a hockey guy and should stay out of hockey issues which don is right about people not apart of the hockey world have no clue why fighting is apart of the game.
this is bullshit. I bet anyone against hockey fights have never played and barley even watch. I was nut tapped once. What happened next? did the guy nut tap me or slash me again. Nope. Players make the rules. Welcome to hockey.
Nylon came in Cheers one night and started eying up a few guys from the hood that don't fight well and they looked at him and showed him the beer bottle in a clear gesture that it wasn't for cheers, he was getting it. He calmed down.... Stephan Richier pulled some crap with Alvin Powell who was a former lineman for Miami and bodyguard for Celine Dion and In Cynk and Alvin picked him up by the shirt (350 lbs and presses 450) and he shook him. Stephane called the cops...