EV ULTRA cable - Combined power and data for easier and neater EV charger installations
Electric vehicle chargers often data connectivity for either a current sensing transformer or to connect to the internet to enable smart features.
This EV Ultra armoured cable combines power and data cables within a single jacket.
Combing the two cables in one enables a neater electrical installation. Fewer cables reduce the number of entry points within an EV charger and reduce the risk of water ingress.
Available as SWA armoured or Tuff sheathed versions in 4.00 and 6.00 mm CSA conductors.
Manufactured in the UK by Doncaster Cables
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00:00 EV Ultra cable from Doncaster Cables
00:40 Combining power and data in a single cable
01:22 What's inside EVultra cable
01:48 No need to oversleeve conductors - Blue, Brown, Green/Yellow
02:40 Versions available - SWA and Tuf sheath
03:00 Easier and tidier EV charger installations
03:50 Cat5e vs single twisted pair - current transformers
04:26 Useful for other electrical installation applications
04:55 BS7671 - Band 1 and Band 2 circuits combined
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Sounds ideal for some of our water authority installations. Excellent
You can always rely on Doncaster Cables to produce a quality product. The jacket of the Data cable must be rated the same as the other conductors within the EV ULTRA cable. Each end will be connected to a junction box, before being split to go to their respective termination points. Thanks for sharing guys 👍🏻
Game changer for Utility companies supplying both power and network to their street equipment
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Seen you guys talk about this a lot, I’ve ordered some just for internet would have loved if this would have come in 10mm then I would have had to use one but the cable does look top notch and works out so much better than bare burying cat5e under a drive, so now two cables buried 10mm and this Doncaster Ethernet one 👍🏾 would have never had this option without you guys keep up the good work
Keep an eye on our Instagram page for upcoming news on EV-Ultra - some great additions coming soon 👍 🙏
If I had no interest in the subject at all, I'd still be watching, good delivery as always fellas.
Thanks 🙏 Alan
I’ve used both the swa and hi-tuff versions of data and cat5e cabling. Absolutely brilliant cable CAT6 would be a better option as that’s what clients tend to prefer to their garden offices. The cable looks spot on when paired with linian clips
Cat 6 talk to #AboveAaron
CAT5e can run 10GBps safely upto 50m and 1Gbps out to the 100m of the spec before a switch / repeater is needed of some sort, this also means it can carry 2.5Gbps and 5Gbps but not having chance to play about with either of those (its 1Gbps or 10Gbps in the datacentre) I could not say what's "safe" CAT6 and CAT6a are certified for 10Gbps upto 100m per the Ethernet spec (again this can carry 10Mbps/100Mbps/ though that's very rare these days, 1gbps / 2.5Gbps / 5Gbps / 10Gbps and the higher 25Gbps/40Gbps Ethernet speeds though it can depends on the install and you might need to go to CAT8 to get it certified [CAT7 is not a real standard imho, its made up by the ISO board who are not the word on specs for this stuff, that's ANSI/TIA......] So while it would have been nice to have CAT6 for the better base specs of the cable its not a show stopper (very much doubt 'normal' home users are going to have 10Gbps for some time now) the fly here is that wireless access points / mesh systems are now starting to come to market where the rj45 Ethernet connector / port runs at upto 2.5Gbps, new computers are now getting 2.5Gbps / 5Gbps / 10Gbps (along with 1Gbps) network ports but the typical network switch in the home if any or the home "router/super hub/smart hub" [what ever the isp trys to call it] only have 1Gbps ports so it limits the internal LAN [not to be confused with your external WAN] speed if you use the hardwire option for backhaul on the mesh / access points and it limits the computer; basically there is a entire chain of devices that need to be upgraded first and it depends on what the end user is going to do.
Putting a duct in is always the way forward
@@Apex180 Also, what you use 10Gbit for? 1Gbit connection is more than enough for a PC, your internet connection to the outside world is far slower, and even if you have fibre you don't get more than 1Gbit, and even if you have a NAS in your home, 1Gbit means 120MB/s of transfer, is not slow considering that it's more than the speed of a standard 3.5" hard drive (yes you can have a SSD NAS, or a NAS with RAID 0/5/6 etc, not that common). Most people won't probably even notice any difference between a gigabit and a 100Mbit connection.
@@alerighi At home ? am still very much 1Gbps LAN with the nas being on a teamed / lag setup. At work in the datacentre, when we are pushing petabytes of data.... 10Gbps is starting to be the standard port speed for us, with 25Gbps and 40Gbps seeing use. that's not to mention the 8gig/16gig fibre channel stuff used in the SAN's more speed never hurt anyone I am fully aware that for most home users their own WAN will still be slower then their LAN and that is likely to be that for some time. That being said 2.5Gbps lan ports are starting to be standard on newer motherboards and some high end ones even have 10Gbps; Apple Macs i think are starting to come with 10Gbps though not having one i can not confirm; if you don't have the other bits to go with this it kinda feels like a waste. Newer wireless access points / mesh systems are starting to appear on the market with 2.5Gbps ports and if you hardwire them for the backhaul [its needed because the wireless speeds are now at a point that they can saturate a 1Gbps link] and you only have 1Gbps switch you are leaving performance on the table (ignoring the fact that your WAN speed won't be 2.5Gbps etc.) The market is moving but at a very slow speed. 10Gbps switching is still expensive, though if you don't mind 2nd hand some ex enterprise kit is making its way to the 2nd hand market. The 2.5Gbps and 5Gbps switches are still very few and expensive when you consider a cheap 8 port gig switch can be had for £30, asking someone to pay £150+ for 8 port 2.5/5 gig based one means it won't sell at the same volume, but that's the same with any new tech standard / speed Only when the ISP provided routers / hub / home hub / superhub start coming with 2.5/5 Gbps ports on them will I think we will see a bigger move to faster LAN speeds for the home use.
Game changing this cable!
Fantastic guys!
This might be different for different EV boxes. Does the data connection have to be direct from monitor to charge socket or can the cat5 be used to terminate into a lan on either end and the monitor to charge socket comm is then just part of Lan? Example application: use this cable to connect power to a garage into a garage DB, data then goes to a hub in the garage, hub then connects to EV charger but other hub ports can be used to connect other stuff in the garage ( wifi extender etc )
CT 'Sensors' - Are they passive Current Transformers, with a secondary load resistor, and back to back zener diodes ?
I bought a Honda Ens1 that came with a 3-Pin Chinese or Japanese plug, I cut the cable to put it in the EU plug, and I saw that my cable has 4 wires, a Blue, Brown, Yellow with Green, and a Red smaller, which I believe is a sensor. I would like to know where I connect the red wire, since I only have it in the EU socket, phase, neutral and earth. Which wire does Red go next to?
if your using one or 2 Pairs for Current Transfer/s maybe you could use the orange and green pairs for data obviously at 10 bace T speed or would the current transformer signal interior with the Data? Phill
Hi I am hoping to re run one of these cables from my house to the detached garage about 40metre run. This is to replace the current 4mm. Will be needed for a pod point charger and to run fee sockets and lights. Is it worth investing in the 10mm variant from Doncaster cables for future proofing.
I could see this becoming a default cable (or an easy upsell) to use for outbuildings now people want internet everywhere (because there are working from home, have CCTV, want to have a wifi access point or whatever)
Might be good for future proofing. Everything these days seems to be connected to the internet. You can even get wifi kettles. It will come to a point where you will need internet connection to even use a product
Yep future proofing for EV it’s a pity it doesn’t come in 10mm as that’s what I need for a granny charger and a fast charger, thinking if me and the missis ever get electric cars it would be ready to go just need to get the consumer unit for the garage then it’s good to go, the Doncaster cable I’m running to a router so I can hardwire everything 😁
Would be nice if they did a 10mm2 version - would be good for longer runs, and even for shorter runs in terms of energy saving from reduced cable heating. Like the idea on use as a feed to garden offices.
Definitely needed a 10mm2 version.
Is there not a 10mm version? Do you have any videos of the best method of installing this cable in a garden office for example?
What size go and did you use with the 6mm cat5 swa? Doncaster spec sheet states 18mm outer diameter, using a swa chart and counting 6mm2 4 core ( 2 line 1 cpc 1 cat 5 ) gives s20, seems tight thou? Is s25 gland better?
Can I use this to run a sub main to a summer house that needs a data point as well as power?
So we can't have a standard bell chime wired in to a CU because the wires aren't rated for the voltage inside the CU.... but we can have a data cable encapsulated inside a mains cable, with only a single insulation rated for the voltage separating them? 🤨
Hi guys. Where the link for the video explaining the regs regarding this cable type please.
How does this go with isolation requirements? For example, in sweden, if a Extra Low Voltage cable is run alongside a single-isolated Low Voltage Cable, the ELV part of installation is no longer considered SELV/PELV isolated, and you must be a electrician to make modifications in the CAT network, including disconnecting and connecting for example computers or routers to switch, unless a approved isolator device is put on the CAT cable on the other end provding separation and optical isolation of mains. This because the isolation of the single isolated wires, could fail, potentially outputting mains on the CAT network, as the isolation of a CAT cable isn't approved for mains voltages. The cable could be acceptable by safety standards ONLY if the grey sheating of the UTP cable is classified/approved for mains, so even if the single isolation of the phase or neutral wire would fail, the CAT isolation would be approved to keep mains away from CAT network (double isolation requirement). Running a UTP cable alongside a normal double-insulated cable is approved however, since there is 2 mains-classified isolation layers that must fail before there is any risk of UTP network becoming live.
Can we have a video on how to correctly terminate shielded cat5(or 6) cable as I've never seen a spark do it right!
Good idea 💡- we are revisiting networks soon
Let the data boys do it
Can the one with 5e, be used instead of wifi, AND for the CT clamp or is it case of it has to be one or the other? Thanks
I was looking for this exact cable but nothing come up in my search’s. Do they do this in three phase at to?
Hi Gary. Stp Means shielded twisted pair. Not single as some have described it...
Anyone link to the Cat 5 combined in a power cable video ( and why it’s ok ) ?
Thanks Guy's. I've got a Project Ev charger to install on a garage which is approx 47m away from the house. I am planning on using EV Ultra 6mm 3 core swa + data. My question is as wifi is not reliable over that distance could I use one pair of the data cable for the CT clamp and the remaining 3 pairs into an RJ45 ethernet back to the router or do Doncaster cables do a special cable for that scenario which has 5 pairs.
We’ve got a video series launching later today using an INDRA EV charger. We explain exactly the scenario you describe with the data cable.
Just installed Ultra 6mm + data swa from meter cupboard (under the stairs) to parking bay. Cable had to be run behind drywall (dot n dab) through the hallway. Running it in the ‘safe zone’ was not an option. So I’ve chased out behind the plasterboard just above skirting my understanding is that the swa should be earthed at one end or the other. This has been a real challenge with such a big, inflexible cable. I’ll re-post once it’s all connected.
That cable is nearly the same cost as 16mm 3 core SWA, nearly £6 or metre. Also how are you joining the data cable, because the data and power are going to different places presumably.
Did you get a response on your question?
@@shazhussain6109 I don't remember getting a reply to that question
How about 5g6 cable? Or is it only available in 3G6?
Question ? Can you run data cable and let's say 2.5 t&e in a domestic seting through the same holes in joist let's say, answer is no so how can you use cable that carries both ie one is high voltage and one is low , and in ireland that's a no no so my question is ? Is it allowed in the UK? Thanks in advance
Gaz is my favourite 👍
I am not a fan of putting data links in the same insulated bundle as power lines. It's not something you'll find is done in the telecommunications industry (indeed, they won't even share conduit).
Can you link to the video that explains how its possible to run data and power in such close proximity please : )
Hi Because the data cable is screened
Hello efixx, great vid, I didn't know this cable existed! At 3'41" there is a quick shot of a gland I don't think I've seen before. Is it a new type of SWA gland, or perhaps it was a nylon stuffing gland?
It's an SWA storm gland kzhead.info/sun/prymqNVxhqSDhXA/bejne.html&vl=en-GB
Have you come cross the 3phase version with data combined? Struggling to find one.
Not seen one - but Doncaster are reasonably flexible (no pun intended) - so ask and they may consider producing if that’s what the market wants.
This cable looks neat, How does this cable work with cable separation? Doesn't the higher current pulled from the charger interfere with the data cable?
It’s a screened twisted pair so not much chance of interference
@@efixx I beleive that there is als o a drain wire in the Cat5e segment that should be earthed at one end.
Are you limited to 90 metres in length due to CAT5E cable?
It's 100m, but it's best to keep the run as short as possible. Cat6 uses larger cross sectional area copper and closer twists.
This surely would be good to provide data and power to an outbuilding?
Absolutely - great solution
@@efixx It didn't come into my head that it could be used for that if Gaz hadn't said about it.
What happened to keeping power and data/instrumentation cables separate?
looks like segregation has gone out the window.
802.3at (PoE+) can run at up to 57 volts in normal operation, so wouldn't that technically make the Cat5 Band 2 as well?
It's 50VAC or 120Vdc to stay within band 1
Why cat5e and not cat6? Surely in the future faster speeds will be needed, why can’t they future proof the cable?
CAT5e can support 10Gbps upto around 50m; CAT5e is good enough for 1Gbps upto 100m so it will do the job.
though if you can get CAT6 go for CAT6 if there isn't much in the price (and typically there wouldn't be)
cat6 is quite a bit thicker, they probably couldn't get it into the size of a standard SWA they were going for, also for this application do we really need to be trying to futureproof 10gbe+.
@@edc1569 you can get flat cat 6 cable, if I was using this cable to a outdoor office as Gary says then the customer would kick up a fuss about it being cat 5 e. Surely Doncaster cables could futureproof our instalations.
@@RNMedic99 Why do they need to know that it's 5e just tell them that you are running data cable with >1Gbps bandwidth.
Where is the video on how this is terminated in the consumer unit?
In this install we transition to a T&E cable when it enters the house. - kzhead.info/sun/orpyj8V_nqhvZZs/bejne.html
I'd be interested to see how the screen is terminated as it should be segregated from the main earthing system and have a dedicated instrument earth?
I'd be worried that expensive charger getting nicked or vandalised. At least that data cable could be used for an alarm circuit...
How do they get away with making that cable? Surely they are inducing voltages in the cat 5 as it doesn't look screened? 🤔
It’s a screened cable
I was thinking the same.
great vid guys, but why CAT5e (alu foiled)? why not a better CAT6/CAT7, as there are now CAT 8 on the market as well that are extremely fast - especially as its down the back of the garden. I prefer only to use CAT7 or 8 and have it future proofed.
Cat 7 cables you buy off amazon aren't even proper CAT7 (they don't use the right connectors) and I'd be surprised if most of the CAT8 you buy off amazon even reaches 2Ghz in bandwidth at all. For the average consumer CAT5, and CAT6 for longer runs/HDMI is all you need. cat5e can reach 2.5gb over 100m which is more than enough for the average shed.
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we'll bring you a sample over!
@@efixx Look forward to it, I've always wanted that large Wago
When most vehicles are electric, the data connection will be a requirement for the charger to operate, and remote monitoring of the vehicle energy consumption for 'vehicle excise duty' charging, ensuring that nobody gets 'free' (solar panels) or cheap 'fuel' for their car...or am I a little cynical?
No, I don't think you are being cynical for one minute, you don't think the government is going to let get away with having cheap fuel, why do you think all these so-called smart meters and chargers are being fitting so they allocate a carbon footprint once exceeded tax you at premium price and they will know when you use your EV charger and tax you accordingly, we've been conned gain. Peter.
I wouldn’t have imagined you can install and EV charger directly to a garden fence.
Depends how robust your fence is - the one in the video wasn’t very solid
Quality videos 👏
You know it is very expensive when you click on the link for the price and ... it does not give it to you. You need to ask.. PANTS
You just need a mortgage to pay for it
I hate seeing cables draped around buildings, it looks horrendous. Electricians have a penchant for installing this crap around buildings as its "easy". I hope its banned in the future. If you can't find a way to hide it - don't install it.
CAT 6 will be much better
in what way ?