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Adam: My ex-girlfriend and her new girlfriend stabbed me to death. Zuko: That's rough buddy.
I get it
Oh my god Adam has a scar and cool hair. Zuko has a scar and cool hair. Zuko was exiled by his family. Adam was exiled by the fanus. The similarities!
Kayla Honey Cake zuko's signature line
@@blackpinkluv9869 If only he was likable and compelling as Zuko.
@@Yankeesfan4ever100 We ain't got good enough writers for that.
I'm making my rounds now that my video is up. This is great. I can feel your pain through my laptop.
Hey Vexed! Hope you have a great day.
...this is already a classic.
I love your videos so much , they really teach me and many others about what to do and what not to do about writing . Thanks so much.
5:06 they forgot Adams horns making his hair fugly
Volume 8: Heroes Lose! All of us: Daring Today Aren't We.
What I don’t understand is why they would give him a short but do nothing with him in this volume
It was foreshadowing his doom
Meadow Fire Someone in the staff tried to warn us
Someone in staff was like "Wait, so we just kill Adam off right now?, Welp, better make at least SOMETHING for Adam"
Red is one of Adam’s main colors... red flag confirmed
“do nothing with him this volume” A fight to the death that lasts 3 chapters is nothing?
You know ... i remember once upon a time... Adam's sheath........ was a gun. Must have been just a dream...
i thought the shotgun was the handle of his sword.
@@sebastianlonske9861 pa1.narvii.com/5760/8e79fc8725cfd2037c76f985c22d743c3a01afc8_hq.gif Must be my eyes :\
Once upon a time? Surely you mean one episode ago. Go back to the scene where Blake disarms him and watch what he does.
Skitzotech Gaming remember when Blake used her sheath as the blade it was and used to dual wield?
@@marlom7882 Oh those were good times!
"Shipping Destroys Every Series It Touches: Case #2,000,000" right here.
Actually, it's case 2,000,006
Nope case #3,976,084
@@raedroid1703 *Cough* Volume 7 better proving our point, case 8,094,773
@@YourFavoriteVampireSuccubus True since it was the very ship this Volume created that led Atlas and Mantle to chaos.
@@francescolombardi3438 case 30,0000?
i find it RIDICULOUS that they waited 6 seasons to show us his eyes only to kill him 😡
Bet you RT will give Adam a Little Revive!
If they brought him back as a Grimm or some shit like that is probably the only thing that could redeem this horrible character Arc
Watch them give him an actually good backstory and realize that they need him alive to show it
Jerzey Boy1995 good cause they definitely NEED to
To be fair, there was no need for them to show his eyes. Sure people were curious, but chances are it wouldn't effect the plot.
We never wanted Adam to win, we just wanted a well-written villain We were never against Bumblebee, we just wanted it to progress naturally We were never for Blake and Yang losing the fight, we just wanted them to be more skilled than they were before
True
its not a real ship man
God how i couldn't agree more, wish the writers realize that more than anything... what pains me the most is that they just shove it off as 'another hater'
@@KusoTeitoku So FUCKING TRUE
Truer words have never been spoken.
I don't get blake Adam:**kills people who tries to kill him** Blake:**stops him from doing that** A few moments later Blake:**kills adam from trying to kill her** What about ilia she tried to kill her too but instead forgives her
YEAH ! FUCK ROOSTER TEETH ! ADAM DID NOTHING WRONG !
Of course she forgives Ilia, Ilia was worse then Adam But she is redeemable cause she’s a gay woman
Agreed.Adam did nothing wrong.
Summer Tsunami That is the stupidest reason I’ve ever heard. Ilia wasn’t worst than Adam and she definitely wasn’t redeemable just because she was gay. Ilia has admitted her distaste for using violence, but has simultaneously admitted that it has been the only way to help the Faunus that she's seen. She sees humans as either outright aggressive towards faunus or complacent about the abuse they receive, and perceives that the only way to stop this is by inspiring fear in the human's hearts. She has clearly been led to believe that these actions, as much distaste as she has for them, are the only option she has to achieve justice for the Faunus, unaware the Albains are just using her and that Adam doesn't want the same thing she does. In True Colors she shows her, uh, true colors when Blake bests her in combat: really her anger is a mask to cover her feelings of sadness, fear and helplessness over not really knowing how to save her people. Once this mask is broken, she ultimately makes the right decision and defects from the White Fang, opting to instead help her friend.
I don’t think Blake would kill anybody unless she had to.
Run! It's Godzilla. It looks like Godzilla, but due to International Copyright Laws, it's not. Still, we should run like it is Godzilla! Though it isn't.
RougeRider03 Look out it’s GrimmZilla !!!!!
Notzilla
@@twinkiesmaster69 Sorry we already have a notzilla
The Leviathan actually has a pretty cool design. It’s kind of like a spinosaurus and a dolphin mixed with a kaiju
It's going to use it's radioactive breath on the next character 😥😥😥😥
RIP Adam, a butchered character that was murdered, then cut up in tiny pieces before finnlled through a blender. Adam was one of the bad guys I thought was even a bigger deal than Salem or had the potential to be, volume 3's encounter was the best scene with adam, just the two lines "I didn't want this, I wanted equality!" "What you want, Is impossible!" that wasent an abusive ex, that was someone so driven about his races survival and to prosper zealot thinking that humans are the one thing thats bad in this world and that there is no way the two could co exist, when he slapped blake i didn't see an abusive ex, i saw someone who had just heard heresy by someone he cared for with such anger that all he could do is slap her for how naive he thinks she sounds. ty Miles and Kerry, you've actually butchered the two characters I was invested the most in to, to blubbering idiots that are now just placeholders instead of characters .
bartholomew gamer I would have respected Adam if he wasn't making that threat to Blake.
@@C_Eagle Because Miles and Kelly changed him into something useless. 😄
I honestly thought adam was gonna become a grey character. I always saw early Adam as "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". But no, because you can only be on Ruby's side or be a full on bad guy in RWBY
Adam was turned from Handsome Jack to a pathetic stalker ex-boyfriend. Rip RWBY.
I feel like Adam's entire story can be summed up in his last words..... "Oh." No intricate finale or satisfying conclusion, just disappointment. Also, am I the only one who noticed how Adam fell into water similar to how Cinder fell? Can't even give him a unique death out of respect, just have him killed by the "protagonists". I had a friend say Yang would probably cut off one of his arms as revenge and say "an eye for an eye, an arm for an arm" but I was like "no, Yang is the hero, she'd never just hurt someone like that. BU I GUESS I WAS WRONG
Why can Adam slice through a giant killer robot (Black Trailer) but he can bearly scratch a prosthetic arm?
A, yang's aura, B, Yang purposely wasn't hitting him to charge his semblance
@@NyanDiamond That makes sense, but would Yang's aura extend to her arm? If her aura protects a robotic arm, it should also protect her motorcycle, her clothes, and anything that touches her.
@@bradyk6017 Well seeing how it made marks in her arm she wasent really using her aura, it really is just a nerf for adam and its actually disgusting to watch over again. i would've loved if she charged herself up and Adam then did is one hit strike for the two to clash against each others energy ending in both getting shot back with no winners, but no that would be making a villain good and intimidating no no no we cant have that
NyanDiamond But if you watch the last episode before this one she’s CLEARLY making the mistake of shooting bullets directly at him. Adam’s got his sword out and is absorbing all those hits and he’s SMILING about it. So no she wasn’t doing that
Nanomachines, son
*Looks around the corner* You good, bro?
I don't think so...
@Ruby Im also a Gun to be fair... we could've gotten more on adam backstory before he died... unless there was nothing else they could've done
I think he might of gotten a little to involved in the analysis, im a simple fan and ive liked what i have seen this season
Eruption fang has embraced the dark side.
*cue trigger noise*
When Adam cut off Yangs arm he left her with a scar but he took something away from her; her identity as "The strong one". She became afraid, timid, and accepted she lost something that wont come back. When Adam was branded he was left with a scar, but the experience took away his identity in a more literal way, not just changing his face but it also branded him, a declaration to anyone who saw it that this "thing" is property of the SDC. Yang and Adam mirror each other so much with their attitude and experiences so much they basically have the same semblance, and that's why I hate how Adam was treated. A more meaningful end would have been if, when Yang caught the sword it damaged her arm a bit, maybe cutting into her palm and getting lodged in, then seeing an opening she uses her free hand to do a hook and crushes Adam's hand. Adam's semblance needs him to channel the power he gathers through a weapon (apparently but hey sure let's just roll with it) but now his hand is crippled, he can't use his semblance because he can't even pick up his sword without it damaging him more. This does a few things. 1, Yang defeats Adam without having to kill him. 2, Adam has no way to fight, his whole ideal is that strength is all but now he is helpless and unable to even resist. This is when we can get deep with RWBY and do something, develop character. Adam is at the mercy of yang, a human, the same people who took away a part of him, and seeing this yang looks down at Adam with pity, and maybe even regret. She has done the same thing to Adam as he did to her and Blake. All of this can happen if at this moment Yang asks one question "Adam, were you really just afraid?". Adam has been wearing the Grim mask not as a symbol, not to make humans fear faunus, but to hide the fact that he's been afraid ever since he was branded. Yang can mention how their semblances are alike, and so their personalities should be similar. They can take a hit, a punch, a cut, dismemberment, branding, and push all that pain back at the people who hurt them. But where as Yang feels that pain, takes it in, Adam doesn't, he is afraid of being hurt. This can spark a moment where blake realizes that when she left Adam, she hurt him and maybe was the final push that drove him off the deep end. And after all of it, adam realizes that he has nothing, not even his strength, and yang and Blake leave him to regret all he's done. This is just my shitty fan fiction writing so if you think it's stupid that's fine but lemme know what you all think.
It's a good idea in premise and, down the line, I'd honestly like it if Blake came to realize her own actions might have helped push Adam over the edge... but the problem is that, in all honesty, I still don't think it would have ended any differently even if done this way. I think Adam's the type who would have just lashed out even harder at having all his insecurities dragged out like that and would have tried to backstab them as they left - I think being left alive or pitied would have just made it all the worse for him because, by taking his pride away even further, he has nothing left to lose in continuing to try and kill them. Don't get me wrong - I like the idea of your exchange and I think it would have made the final encounter a lot more meaningful... but I just don't think it would have changed Adam's fate. It'd highlight what made Adam what he was and drive home Sun's point about how Blake's running only ever caused the very pain she claimed to try and prevent, but I don't think it would have made Adam give up or regret his actions; he'd just be more angry.
@@mitchellbaran7917 I do agree this is highly possible. My issue with how the show presented it didn't give us full context of Adam and the meaning of his scar. When the brand was revealed most comments I saw on it were along the lines of yeah Adam has a scar we already guessed that. But by forcing out his insecurities we see adam in a new light, we dont have to agree with him and his unhealthy methods of dealing with pain but it's good to know that Adam had a true motivation for his extremism and spite. If it were just a regular battle scar then yeah Adam would be a very bland character. Adam's death on screen wasn't satisfying (at least for me) because he still got to die as the man who was stronger than the two girls, but if he died in the way you propose then he dies as a weak man, solidifying that the girls are now stronger and better than him because they took the pain, they endured it, and instead of killing Adam in desperation they did it as a farewell to the grief he caused.
@@kanokun18 IDK - to me, it seemed like Adam using that scar was more showing how *little* he actually cared about the SDC or the faunus/White Fang cause compared to just doing "an eye for an eye." Hell, he even says he cares more about what Blake did to him than anyone else before - the scar's meaning here simply seems to be how what she did to him is something even less acceptable, given how he no longer seems to care about hiding it anymore in the face of his hate for her. I guess what I'm saying for me is that the scar counts as a *reason,* perhaps, but not actually a "motivation" so much as an "excuse." For all intents and purposes, it was simply his excuse to lash out at the world the same as the White Fang's cause was - I don't actually think who hurt him really mattered in the long run so much as the fact that he was hurt by *someone,* and he couldn't stand that fact. And that, in a way, is almost more tragic to me because it's almost like he either doesn't know or doesn't care who it is he actually hates - he just wants the world to hurt because it's better than him being hurt. If you ask me, whether or not the man dies "strong" or "weak" is irrelevant because it's more personal preference on that count rather than one being a superior version - mentally speaking, the man could be argued as *always* being weak in how he could never accept the world for how it is; he always had to either control it or burn what he couldn't. To me, Adam proved he was a weak man the moment he failed to let Blake go the first time, much less his refusal to accept her many offers to just walk away - I may prefer the idea of it being shown how pitiful he was when stripped of his control, but I also get the idea of dying "on his feet" so to speak showed how he was still dangerous even after everything he lost; I may not have preferred that outcome, but I still get why it was done. Like I said before, I think the only real missed opportunity was not having Blake make the realizations you suggested and, by extension, how it could have tied into the overall volume if she did. Like the Joker and Batman, Blake played a role in creating her own monster - even though Adam made his own choices and is ultimately responsible for them, Blake still had at least a contributing part in Adam going from "ruthless" to "unhinged" in how much her abandonment hurt him. Blake does many things in her encounters with Adam - she critiques him lambasts him, she warns him, she pleads him to stop… but she never once *apologizes* to him or owns up to the fact she hurt him at all. And that’s not even saying I think Adam deserves an apology - in my mind he didn’t deserve to even be spared at Haven… but as a certain author once noted, forgiveness isn’t about if someone deserves it; about making peace and having that closure. And Blake never does - she never acknowledges the fact she caused him pain; only the fact Adam couldn't move on from it. And I see *that* as a missed opportunity because, in addition to a chance of showing off what they had that Adam lacked (a willingness to face and accept pain or hurt), it would have also been a great tie-in for both the volume and Monty Oum's own message that people need to *keep moving forward* past all the pain and hardship, no matter how bad it gets, or otherwise it can consume them like Adam. To me, *that* was the real shortcoming of the fight - not that Adam died or even that how he died was bad, but rather that it missed the chance to really drive home it's season-wide (if not series-wide) message with it.
@@mitchellbaran7917 I completely agree with you there. It's not so much i'm upset about Adam being more of a fleshed out character but the fact that if his story and the actions taken here are more meaningful then it helps Blake and Yang grow more. To make a story interesting and exciting the villains and or antagonist need to be that as well but it didn't feel that way with how the show presented the fight here (at least in my opinion). There was no real moment of tension that made me lean forward in my seat, racking my brain trying to think who will actually come out on top. And you are right not once did Blake ever just solemnly look at Adam and just say she did hurt him and apologize, and even though he's hurt so many people that all she did was believe he was a monster just like how humans thought Faunus were. Anyways while I can't change what happened it is still nice to discuss and theorize the what-ifs with people and I do hope next volume Blake and Yang have more development along with the rest of the group.
I would've loved to see this but like Baran says . . . his fate was sealed. Adam had what seems like a spiraling infinite amount of hatred and spite. He's the kind of guy that would never give up no matter how hard you shame or crush him. It's fucking tragic to see a character with such will as a lost antagonist who saw violence as the only answer. When Adam said "No one has ever hurt me the way you have, Blake" he meant he's only ever been hurt physically in "all sorts of ways" but never emotionally. Adam fears pain and what he felt he didn't know how to deal with so he went mad. The analogy you made with Yang and Adam's semblances was perfect, it's exactly what I wanted pointed out. I can picture your "shitty fan fiction" happening but Adam taking a suicidal lunge at Yang as soon as they turn around. As to who takes him down I'm not sure. I feel as if team RWBY should've been together to face him. Ruby slicing off a limb or killing him. Either way, his body is left there . . . alone, either to reflect or to have his life flash before his eyes.
The real sad part is it seems Blake just forgot about sun. Even though they actually had character development. 🤦♂️
@023 Studios more development than Blake and Yang in literally all their shared screen time
DrewBikes yea....blakesun shippers were only baited, even if it was planned from the beginning. It was pretty much thrown out for more ship baiting. They also did this with Neptune and weiss so they could ship bait white rose. Total BS.
Yang and Blake had a connection since the start. Black Sun seems forced.
@@despajackie9254 Hello alternate backwards universe native, wrong comment section
wanderl_ust you’re wrong
The worst part about what’s happened with Adam; his fighting style was dope, like a viper quick and precise. It played into Monty’s cool and composed character quite well
It looks like it was inspired by Jin Kisaragi
You know what no one thought about: Qrow could just write a letter to Ironwood telling him that they are stuck in Argus because Cordovin doesn’t believe that they need to get to Atlas and asking him to simply call her and tell her to escort them to him. Since Qrow wrote one to Ironwood in the first chapter of this volume, it seems that this way of communication is not affected by Atlas‘ lockdown.
Could also just send Weiss to talk to ironwood directly and them bring in the rest of the team with the approval of ironwood. It would take longer but would be less illegal.
@Space Ninja That would drain her of both dust and aura tho.. not to mention the volume of grimm that would converge on them because of the relic
TheHiddenMadHatter Yeah, that sounds better.
Ethan Baker Calm down, it was just an idea. No need to loose your nerves. I mean, it's not like just because I say this, the CRWBY is going to change the whole volume. I simply wanted to hear what others think of this idea. And from what I've heard so far: Yeah, it's certainly not the best idea.
@Ethan Baker Why would they have needed to rush? They were in a city, full of Atlas military, Qrow is there Jaunes team is there. All they did was just waste resources by unexpectedly bringing a whole bunch of grimm at the cities doorstep. AND it unites forces
To be honest I found your rage and sarcasm to be refreshing and entertaining. Glad to hear someone talk about what a shitshow Volume 6 has been.
Least it isn't Volume 5
You know the first few episodes were good and then they reached Argus and it all went to shit
@@YourFavoriteVampireSuccubus "Wait I know you."
I absolutely love RWBY but he’s not wrong. Adam was a mysterious, awesome character (my favourite male). I’m really sad his death was just to get Blake and yang to become closer. Really would have liked him to explain the SDC branding, maybe have flashbacks to his past of him and Blake, and just make it so cool. I feel like there’s a large part of his character/backstory we never explored.
I see them ruining Qrow rn, and they've already fucked Raven sooooo yeah......
IDK - for me, the only thing mysterious or awesome about him was his design. Personality-wise, nothing about him came across as very endearing IMHO - his callousness to both the train-crew in the Black trailer and to his own men when Cinder sacrificed them with the Breach; his raging spite in how he implied he helped bring down Beacon, cripple Vale and plunge the world into chaos *just* to get to Blake? And those are just from when Monty was showrunner, much less after M&K took over. Hell, his revealing the brand seemed more to illustrate how *little* he actually cared about it - that his driving force was simply people hurting him in general and hurting them back in turn, rather than actually caring about justice or rightness (or at least the fact he tells Blake he cares more about what she did then even the ones who hurt him before seems to suggest as much). To me, him dying doesn't feel like it was just to make Yang and Blake closer - I think was also to show some people just can't be stopped sometimes; that some people just can't walk away until it kills them. His own spite and inability to let go got him killed - if anything were to be a waste of potential, it's that Blake never seemed to see how her hurting Adam played a role in unhinging him, or that Yang never acknowledged how she could have ended up like Adam had she let spite and bitterness consume her. But his death itself? That IMHO feels more like a bad man reaping what he'd sown.
Lunacy's Straightjacket They are!!!!! He’s had what, like, two amazing fight scenes and now all of a sudden he’s taking a backseat for convenient nonsensical back talk from Ruby because they don’t know how to make her actually tough. She’s just obnoxious with all these speeches they’re giving her now. They make no sense either. Qrow is a waaay better character than that!! Uuuugh, come on!!
@@melodypond6468 "He’s had what, like, two amazing fight scenes and now all of a sudden he’s taking a backseat for convenient nonsensical back talk from Ruby" - Dude, he just learned the guy he's trusted for years never had a real plan for victory beyond an endless stalemate and that his daughter-ditching sister was arguably right about them being better off going it alone in the world. Couple that with his general depression issues over his Semblance "cursing" everyone around him with his presence and it feels kinda hard to say he wouldn't start hitting rock bottom. I don't see how a guy can be "a waaay better character than that" when he's basically had the one thing that kept him going/the only thing he thought made it worth this get kicked out from under him. "nonsensical back talk from Ruby because they don’t know how to make her actually tough" - I don't think they're *trying* to make her sound "tough"; I think it's just showing she finally got fed up with her supposed idols. For ages now I've seen people criticize how much faith she kept in Ozpin despite all the lies he's told and how she idolized a drunkard like Qrow - yet now that they'f finally run out the warranty on the "teacher/idol" card, it's unrealistic of her to call them out on it? You can call it obnoxious or self-righteous or even hypocritical, but at the same time it's kind of hard to blame her for taking charge after finally getting those rose-tinted lenses off (no pun intended). And if she's making mistakes in how she goes about it, well, then that's something for her to learn and recognize later on - believe you me, I *want* someone to call her out on how I thought she was outright hypocritical with her "we need to work together regardless of if we don't trust each-other" bit she offered Cordovin when she didn't do that for Ozpin. But that doesn't mean I'm going to decry it off the bat when it's finally given Ruby something a lot of people always asked for; a definite character flaw to potentially explore - I'll see what they do with it and the comments on it *before* I go and say it was a bad idea or not.
@@melodypond6468 have you watched the next episode? she now has one of the anime MC powers sets- talk no jutstu and getting people to like you even though you literally have had no interaction with said person except once before....oh yeah she has PLOT the power to change the rules of the fucking universe because "i like you i'll give you a free bee" bitch what......im done..
I’ve been waiting for this video the moment I saw the last episode lmao
Same here
I liked it. Did u?
RAMPAQ I liked the review Not the actual episode
@@patrickmcguire7896 are talking about episode 13. Also I liked this episode for various reasons.
me too
You know you're off to a good start when the first thing you hear is an orgasm of pure pain. Also, I love how the title no longer has the word "Breakdown". Just "RANT"
What angers me the most is that a man who literally has a blindfold over his face and was fighting WITHOUT USING HIS EYES loses to two barely legal girls who haven’t grown enough since Volume 3 to stand a chance against him.
actually if you look at his fighting style, attitude, and semblance, they are tuned to counter, which is strong against reckless battle (which are increased by feelings of fear and anger, both things which Adam's personality skyrockets in his opponents). If you have ever played a single fighting game against a "counter" character, you'd know the way you beat a counter character is by letting them make the first move, which is what Yang did, she never went on the offensive after their numbers advantage went away, and waited for Adam to make his move. While i agree Blake hasn't grown too much, Yang on the other hand.....
@@NyanDiamond did. Did u just make that joke? Bastard lol.
@@NyanDiamond yeah it's amazing how by just light sparring with her dad, she not improve from her prime of the beginning of the series, but increase her skill several times forward, and was able to get over her PTSD AND counter everything he threw at her even tho she ever seen him fight before as he took her out in one slash.....whatever Yang's Dad training program is, I need that shit lol
SaanWukong again, it wasn’t physical strength or skill that won this fight (if you actually read my comment you’d know that), the roles were reversed. Adam recklessly charged as Yang took the calm approach
@@NyanDiamond so when Adam charged that massive energy slash and Yang just took it with no damage what so ever, that wasn't physical strength. Also what about that PTSD because apparently they forgot about that shit and no, that little hand shaking to hand hold does not count at all!!! Adam got nerfed and cucked at the same time lol
Dude, the dialogues have been getting progressively more cringe since after season 3. How many time will Ruby repeat the same things, we get it already, you are a goody two shoes character. How many times will Yang and Blake keep having their cringe emo teen conversations? Weiss is probably the only saving grace of a character in this show. And the villains. These are the most shallow villains I have ever seen. Man, Power Rangers bad guys do it better than the villains here. And what is with these no Redemption argument. Meruem was a completely deranged monster who became the most sympathetic character, with an even bigger heart than all the "GOOD GUYS" in the show.after one human saved his soul. Maybe Adam needs something like that
Give this bastard more likes. More people need to see this.
You are assuming that Miles and Kerry are even CLOSE to that level of skill that Togashi possess lol. Even the GOOD things they right are completely unintentional. Seriously watch fatmanfalling's Volume 5 review. Through the director commentary he shows multiple times that all the good stuff (whatever there was in V5) they actually wrote it accidentally or it had a completely different purpose lol. These guys are nothing but novices that got so lucky that RWBY is so loved. Any other show would have been hated for such bad and inconsistent writing lmao
@@sammydray5919 I'm not comparing them to Togashi lol. just saying that the irredeemable character argument that people give are absolute rubbish
@@assasinsjeff Fair enough lol
Weiss is honestly the best character in the show, everyone else is just badly handled
He had a sheath and was shown smashing people with it plus,PLUS!!!!! ITS A SHOTGUN!! A GODAMN SHOTGUN!!!
And remember, it's also a gun! :D
Im starting to think EruptionFang is starting to hate RWBY. Like, legit.
honestly the only thing keeping me around is the designs of the female characters and the weapons. everything else is just pointless
You can still criticize a show and like it. I argue that it's because he loves the show so much, is why he is criticizing it.
I agree, if he hated the show he wouldn’t be this PISSED about it. I say this from experience, when you see something you like, be it a show, a book or whatever completely drop the ball... it!! drives!! you!! crazy!!
@@Lh0000 exactly
@@sasorigarasu6062 Even the weapons are dull now, because they are not being utilized at all. I mean, look at Nora - she's got a hammer and doesn't get to use it - the writers prefer her to be stuck in "shoot grenades at stuff" mode because there's no animation involved in that. Or Blake's Gambol Shroud - which was destroyed because apparently her fights are too hard to animate. No one at Rooster Teeth wants to put in the hard work like Monty did, doing his research, getting inspiration and working night and day to give us impressive, interesting and fluid combat scenes. They want to keep the show going but they don't want to put in the effort.
This is how Yang went from my favourite character to someone I DESPISE.
What's actually crushing about his death is that it tore down a massive part of the established world building and rendered it pointless because there are no longer complex avenues to explore them through. The best case we have now to see Faunus discrimination is now a one sided affair with little to no moral ambiguity.
Or we'll get new characters once we get to Atlas to reintroduce the themes in a better way. I think this possibility is super overlooked currently. Yeah it sucks Adam died when he had the potential to be great, but that potential could still be spent on a character we have yet to see. Who's to say there isn't a villain in Atlas with some actual moral ambiguity that relates to the Faunus dilemma? Wishful thinking maybe, but we'll see.
@@asherking159 This unfortunately aged terribly. Like it's upsetting what DIDN'T happen in Atlas.
I've been both looking forward to and dreading this episode breakdown lol.
Litteraly been waiting for your reaction. I've already seen the episode and I really wanted to see your reaction
Same I want to see his reaction
yeah me too even tho I liked this episode
someone needs to go give him a hug, I feel like he needs it!
I knew he would react this way and I still disagree. Doing whatever it takes to destroy Salem is OK. I actually think Oz is not as hard as he should be.
I thought they were going to punch the back of his head and knee his gut but holy shit they just committed murder! 100% thought they would capture him and turn him into Atlas or something while having Weiss take a look at him . . . What a waste of writing potential. I just hope one day this whole story gets re-written into something much better.
At this point, Fanfics can do a better job...
@@saber2802 This series has come into a Fanfic.
How to fix Adam: Step 1: Stick to ideology Step 2: Show a flashback of how he had gotten that scar instead of telling us Step 3: Show how he is not a villain, but more of an anti-hero Step 4: Don't try to copy Steven universes villains to make up a stupid message to relate to people Step 5: Profit? Hopefully this will show you how to actually right your characters with dignity
God I wish Weiss saw his scar now that would be something worth watching.
@@DromusTH THATS WHAT I WANTED. Out of everyone else, weiss would have been affected the most because it would have showed just how bad the SDC is.
I agree with this, minus step 3.
Tbh I think the writers realized they where in over their heads writing the white fang/Adam storylines...because let's face it a complicated one, with several nuances this show has failed to address . Racism isn't a black and white issue, you cannot just label minorities fighting for their rights as the bad guys because they're aren't being sweet qnd complient about it It's also super irresponsible and kind of disrespectful to use the character representing the ideals of the more violent radical mindset as an crazy abusive ex toward the sweet shy cat girl representing the opposition. Kinda just. Like it comes across as unintentionally racist
@@TheWraithOfMooCow looking back I agree
Honestly, although I’m a Bumblebee shipper, I hate how they forcefully put Bumblebee in our face so that we feel “good” that’s Adams dead. I actually liked Adam as a villain. There was so much potential to put into Adam instead of making him a subtype villain who would appear and make a mean looking act then leave only to die a few episodes later. This is all like a crappy fairytale designed for children. 1 - You make a bad guy 2 - Have the bad guy be mean and be hated by others 3 - Give him a backstory that desperately need to be explained but don’t explain it 4 - Then have the good guys kill him 5 - Happily ever after THE FUKIN END REALLY?! It’s all so stupid.... really it’s just all so stupid....
What's this, a person with logic. I-I-I-I thought I was the only one!
I was more pissed that they threw out everything that Sun and Blake went through just to force a relationship that has no build up and makes no sense at this point in time. Up until now , Blake and Yang have had zero romantic interactions.
Me and my friend have a theory he's not actually dead
It is designed for children.
ZhinZhaw Gourneau Sun and Blake had nothing romantically. Give me 3 times they showed interest in eachother. The dance? Blake comparing Yang to her past lover? The looks chap. 13? Pretty obvious.
Now it’s only a question of if Cinder will create a hate singularity by saving Adam and recruiting him.
But what if her hate singularity encounters Salems hate singularity!?
Salem did actually say in Volume 4 Episode 1 that Adam "continues to prove loyal."
@W unranked balder cinder was frozen from the inside out and fell off a cliff into a lake. If the instant freezing of major organs didn't kill her, the fall, or the lack of oxygen should have. BUT DID SHE?
@W unranked balder Actually there wasn't a clear statement of when her scenes took place. For all we know all of her interaction with Neo was before they reached Argus
@W unranked balder in all honesty... I'd say 2/10
The "Heroes" are just playing god along with judge, jury, and executioner
Ugh I don't think he was ever suppose to be an "ex-boyfriend". She herself said it was more of a mentor type of relationship. I hate what they did with Adam throughout the series. Ruined a great character for nothing. Thank you for the whole "bubblebee" thing as well, glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. ~_~
Yep, she calls him mentor twice in the first two volumes but later they decided to pretend that those two were actually in a relationship all along because _"crazy boyfriends, amirite ladies???"_ tumblr pandering. V3 was made after Monty's passing, which means they literary threw away his notes on Adam and since he was the first RWBY male character ever created (get it? Adam? it's a Biblical reference) I think it's safe to assume that Monty wrote a heck of a lot more than just _"stalker bf"_ in those notes.
RANT over... 👀 Is it safe to come out now.
😂😂😂
LOL 😂
You think this is the end of Adam everyone oh no oh no you are sorely mistaken to quote my favorite character"if you think this has a happy ending you're clearly not paying attention" - Ramsay Bolton . Those butt holes at Rooster Teeth can easily make. another adam they can easily pluck a faunus from thin air and make another .Adam they can do this bull all over again don't you think that this is over now that Adam is dead oh no they can easily ruin. another character so don't sleep well tonight don't sleep well live in fear that .Adam could always survive that stab wound or Adam could always be recreated. So watch your back watch your back even in the showers even at picnics even when you're at work. Even when you're on your phone getting ready to watch the next episode watch your back because they can easily screw up and make another adam. So sleep in fear
@@carolynpitts2163 www.deviantart.com/dishwasher1910/art/Adam-783647899 or that
@@Abyss3223 really
I knew this episode would piss eruption off.
Same. This episode just had so much wrong with it, and that could be seen even without him pointing it out.
I can already see next episodes rant 😂
jack the non gamer yeah, I think this is mostly from Adam dying.
Me to
Ryan Hansen who else came to see just that?
When Yang said "You, or the person you pretended to be?", that was the final nail in Adam's coffin. With Adam pre-Volume 3, Yang's words would've been "You, or the person you used to be?" The Adam we were presented with in his first introduction and how Blake talked about him was always that he believed in what he did, and became corrupted as a result, NOT that he was a hypocrite or a liar. He became evil because he truly believed he was right, and that was what made his character so compelling from Day 1. I don't know how the very people who personally worked with Monty on Adam could've dropped the ball so hard with him. They had so many chances to turn back to the White Fang revolutionary angle, but with each Volume they just double down on the psycho ex route and just give little pieces of his ACTUAL intended character. I'm just glad it's over now. Volume 6 had a really good start, RT deserves that, and the Adam fights these two episodes are the best in Maya yet, but they really messed up this last stretch.
Exactly right. Also, everyone's forgetting that volume 2 actually made a point out of making Blake seem fond of Adam; she was remorseful she had to leave, not because Adam abused her but because she couldn't bear helping him while he was becoming a bloodthirsty terrorist along with the rest of the White Fang (which started as a sort of civil rights movement). At the start of vol.2 (after the Tukson scene), the first thing we were shown was a drawing of Adam in Blake's notebook, accompanied by *nostalgic* music. For me that implied, more than anything, that Adam was her mentor and that she perhaps had a crush on him, but that the two hadn't been romantically involved. And later in that volume when she talks about him, she paints him in a positive light, saying that "his perfect world was not for everyone". That would be kind of odd if he had been abusive, right? Sheesh, it's *almost* like Blake was conflicted about Adam and the White Fang, and as if her protest that "There is no such thing as pure evil!" was justified at least in some kind of way. But things are much easier now for inattentive viewers: There's good (team RWBY) and then there's evil (Salem, Cinder, Adam). Ah, and giving people (who volunteered) the ability to transform into birds at will with no side effects is also very, very bad, apparently.
@@FrostyAUT oh wow i forgot about that, I do think Adam has changed since vol 3. I think both sides have their points, They could have had Adam knocked out by Yangs attack, then sent to Atlas and have his back story told at the place it looks like it started. Adam did try to reach for the sword and kill them from the start, I wouldn't say Blake and Yang are as bad as Adam for killing him, since he wasn't begging like the Schnee guard and all three of them did not have aura so I would say it was in the heat of the moment and for self defense not actively hunting to kill him. I can agree with some of the points eruption fang made with Adam and the missed back story, but I also think he misses some points on what happened and why they ended up doing what they did in the fight.
"I don't know how the very people who personally worked with Monty on Adam could've dropped the ball so hard with him" - Actually, that's the biggest irony a lot of people seem to miss; by all accounts, Monty *approved* this path. In V2, Adam showed no remorse or even anger over all the White Fang that Cinder sacrificed for the Breach (a deliberate false-flag attack against a kingdom that wasn't even involved in faunus abuse like Atlas was and wasn't even a plan of his own/the White Fangs). And *Monty himself* was the one to first plan out Adam attacking Blake in V3, so he'd also seemingly green-lit Adam's role in the attack being focused on getting to Blake - the only difference between his first version and the one we got is that he originally intended Yang to win rather than losing her arm. If Adam wasn't intended to be a monster or even self-serving/selfish, I doubt Monty would have had those scenes take place when he was still showrunner - at most Adam was probably intended to be a *tragic* figure for being consumed by spite, but ultimately not a sympathetic one since he was never shown with redeemable qualities. "The Adam we were presented with in his first introduction and how Blake talked about him was always that he believed in what he did, and became corrupted as a result" - But that's just it; how *Blake* talked about him - not anything he was shown doing but rather a second-hand account from someone who, given her lack of in-depth detail, didn't even want to remember what bad sides she knew of. Hell, V3 even directly addresses this by having Adam openly declare he never intended for co-existence - or rather that the person Blake remembered was just a mask he wore to be more appealing. How is Blake supposed to remember him as a liar when the whole point of lying is for the other person to *not* know the truth about you? By all accounts, Blake's nostalgia glasses could just be argued as having blinded her to just how bad Adam truly was.
@@mitchellbaran7917 You assume the only reason Adam would attack Blake is because he's her obsessive stalker ex-boyfriend, when it's obvious that the White Fang simply doesn't tolerate defectors and generally assassinates them. That, and Blake now being on the side of the humans that Adam so hates, in addition to actively getting in the way of White Fang activity, makes it entirely plausible he'd want to kill her. So the problem isn't that he wanted to kill her - the problem is WHY he wanted to kill her.
@@FrostyAUT It's more because of how Adam utterly brushed off the way Cinder sacrificed a ton of White Fang - his own men at that - in a false-flag attack (a plan that wasn't even his but also wasn't against a kingdom that condoned faunus exploitation like Atlas arguably does with the SDC). That just doesn't strike me as the kind of man who operates with "the cause" in mind as opposed to an agenda of his own. IMHO, the whole "White Fang simply doesn't tolerate defectors" bit feels more like what Adam *drip-feeds* his followers as the justification for his actions, like he did with Ilia and her team. He's basically just pretties it up with lines about the cause when in reality it's more because of his own grudges. Again, the way Adam isn't remorseful or hesitant or even angry about what Cinder does with his men feels like it shows just how little about the faunus cause this is, compared to venting his own hatred on people.
Volume 6: *Were going to make Adam have more development and backstory* Also Volume 6: *No development, backstory, made Adam look like an angsty ex who dies for a lesbian shipping.* (and before you start saying I'm a homophobe, I'm gay myself but when the story is just forced to kill a badass character and was a true villian just for a ship needs to reboot the entire story starting from volume 1.)
You're not a homophobe for calling it as you see it. Honestly, I knew that Miles and Kerry were lazy thin-skinned hacks, but I didn't expect them to the drop the ball that badly.
I mean he had has plot last arc,I cant see how he roles back in when he has no following g and even if he did it be too away from the plot to have purpose, surprised he even came back this season honestly Wouldn't say shipping got him killed
@@gbdeck200 he had no arc last volume. And he didnt need an army when he was robbing trains and breaking into facilities. Makes me wonder why he shifted his focus from that to Blake. I know cinder threatened him which is why he was forced to blow up haven and beacon, but he could have gotten his revenge all on his own
Honestly I think the whole Blake and Yang thing wouldn't have been too different if Adam ran away instead of dying. Also Adam already was an angsty ex in my opinion I didn't see him too out of character. But they killed him off too early he was interesting and a waste of potential.
@@ivybennett2274 yeah, cause thats what heroes do. They see a dangerous person and they kill him. So heroic. Gonna get my gun and shoot some black guy that looks dangerous. Maybe I will get a medal for it. Point is, heroes dont do shit like that, and even when they do its not treated like a good thing. Heroes are heroes cause they are better people then villains.
"Seeing Red". What an appropriate episode title...
YuriOnEdge excellent point
What does it mean tho
@@thisisabby5935 lmgtfy.com/?q=seeing+red
Must be my bloodshot eyes after exploding in rage due to how fucking abhorring this episode was.
So this episode can be summed up with deadpool saying 'well, that's just lazy writing'
Yep deadpool
Tanapoom Yamsakul did u even watch the video
You know what else he said? Doing the right thing is messy. You want to fight for what's right sometimes you have to fight dirty.
@@slider903 they could have run away from the mech instead of causing a huge scene trying to take it down no reason. They already had the ship the wanted. Or they could have not went with jaunes dumbass plan in the first place and let Weiss go to atlas and speak with ironwood. Probably could have smuggled qrow in depending on how long he can stay in bird form.
@@slider903 yeah sometimes you just have to kill a few people here and there... for the greater good of course.
You what's sad about this? I've read fanfictions with better writing than this.
thats because you look for fanfictions that you would like, CRWBY has to make a series that pleases the majority, which well, your not
True
@@NyanDiamond Good writing is good writing, MOST of RWBY is clearly not.
@@MrXXVII except the mass majority would either say its decent or its alright, considering how well it is doing and how many people actually positively receive it. Instead of stating it as if it is a FACT, state it more as an opinion, then maybe people would listen to what you have to say
@@NyanDiamond The majority's opinion is not always right.
I like bumblebee(More than I do sunxBlake) but if I could give Adam a *proper* character development/more consistent character building by sacrificing Bumblebee, I would do it in a heartbeat. Adam was a well executed mystery back in Season 3. Everyone *speculated* how strong he was, and speculated how or who would be the one to beat him. but they spent later seasons *actively* deconstructing what made Adam a fun character to speculate about. they *dumbed* his character down as an obsessed Boyfriend in a power trip. *That's* not exciting, *That's* not fun, what it is, is a boring and basic character in comparison to the cool mysterious villain he was portrayed as in the first 3 seasons. Adam Taurus, is infinite wasted potential.
omg this guy is indeed the complete opposite of murderofbirds
Murder is textbook fanboy, the show could kill off the entire cast of rwby and hell still defend rooster teeth.
@LORD CAEDUS LIVES!! Ey Murder ain't that bad and whilst I respect your opinion his recent reaction shows he didn't like what was happening
that's fatman.
These two are like Riku and Ansem
I agree, I still like Murder but it does get on my nerves when he is constantly shouting and screaming about every minute detail. I can already foresee his reactions to the finale now in my head.
First Roman Torchwick, now Adam. What’s with CRWBY prematurely killing off the best antagonists with actual depth in the cheapest ways?
Roman specifically, he was killed in the most abrupt and unceremonious of ways, who even remembers he existed anymore everyone in RWBY just forgot that Roman existed. He was legit one of my top 5 favorite characters in RWBY because he was so likable.
This episode is proof that they lied about planning everything. They only did this 4 fan service 👎
I have a bad feeling of the future of RWBY. Since they have no problem destroying the potential of a character with Adam and only focusing on his relationship with Blake and using his death as a development for Blake and Yang, then that means there is serious threat to Sun dying. Since Rooster Teeth only sees potential in characters based on their relationship with other characters, the plot of a future volume will most likely be Sun Wukong dies tragically and Blake is torn up about it. Yang is there to comfort and then they kiss because that was the only thing standing in the way of #Bumblebee4lifeshipping. Out with the old in with the new! Kill off straight relationships and replace with all gay! Except for Nora and Ren cause they cute. It's weird because earlier this season they did the best representation of LGBT I had seen in RWBY with the lesbian marriage and it wasn't a big plot point it was just there like no big thing. That should be what the representation is like. Just normal everyday life. Nothing special, just natural and organic. But the whole Ilia thing was always forced to me like Blake is not that interesting to get so many love triangles revolved around her. Sun is a great character but I already see the death omens now. :(
That sucks
Illia was a terribly written token gay character. I have no idea how people don't see that. Nothing would've changed if she hadn't existed
First Legend of Korra, then Adventure Time, now this? I'm calling it now: the writing will get lousier and lousier with each passing season, and the series will end with main characters ending up as lesbians.
I'm not surprised. You can see the failure in Rwby oozing outta of it's yuri ass the moment Volume 4 showed it's face.
@@IrrelevantOaf where exactly?
Me until Episode 9: Man what a great season, there is no way this could become bad after all these awesome moments. Rooster Teeth: Hold my beer!
This is so true that IT HURTS
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup!
@@AEsir_Goji sad but true
Exactly!
They were doing such a good fucking job and then they threw it all away like garbage. Whatever little faith I had left in the writers that was slowly being restored just got immediately incinerated.
The auto scream
I was hoping Adam would win after the forced and cringey shipping moments. This whole volume seems like some gay fanfiction.
really now, you'd have preferred that
@@evan64915 Honestly yeah, Adam seemed so far ahead of these two to the point of toying around with them, and then like most villains in this series, gets nerfed into such a level that it's insulting to their character. Even worse is, his death was for a pairing.
@@HandlesSuck123 all of Adam's "strenght" came from the psychological advantage. He's never been strong or a skilled warrior, not more than Yang and Blake. And you'd know this, if you had paid attention to what was happening in the show
@@evan64915 You and I know that's nonsense. Even the theme of the fight was terrible.
@@evan64915 So I guess Adam's fighting skill in the Black Trailer and his own trailer just don't count or something? Don't kid yourself. Homeboy got nerfed.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU im not the only one who was like "holy shit they just straight up killed a man....they literally just committed MURDER..." during the adam moment
I'm glad that walking around for a while gave you the power to defeat Adam.
don't forget to do your daily cardio and exercise everyone
"as long as we believe we're right we should be entitled to do whatever we want" - The Ruby Gang basically
I mean...they can't possibly be the first protagonists to have that mindset.
Protagonist Centered Morality
@@benjaminmcneil574 they arent. the problem is that the show itself goes out of its way to establish that ruby and co. are all virtuous and heroic but they stoop to the "bad guys" levels all the time and they're never called out or punished for it morally gray characters are fine as long as you establish them as such, but you can't have ruby and co. go on and on about friendship and protecting people and doing the "right thing" and then immediately have them turn around and pull ridiculous stunts that put everyone around them in danger for little to no reason.
@@darkice60000 Fair enough.
exactly! It's why I'm so intense about the plot to Spider-Man: Homecoming. While watching it the 1st time, I hated Peter's entitled millennial attitude. Then came the part where Tony Stark scolds him and takes the tech suit away as punishment for all the damage he caused. Then it all made sense: the writers gave him this attitude to set him up for failure so that he could be humbled, learn, grow, and have a meaningful victory in the end. But I don't feel like I'm getting that from RWBY. I'm so worried that they'll focus on the old lady doing wrong, much like the many fans in these comments sections claiming RWBY "had no choice."
Thank You sir, If I were near I would shake your hand. You explained everything perfectly. In summary its almost like that every character on the show can either: nerfed beyond recognition previous abilities, actions, or comments be damned(Adam, The White Fang, and Volume 5 Weiss and currently Nora), be made into a complete invalid(Qrow), or be made completely useless with no effect on the plot at all(Jaune). Do not get invested in anyone. The third act was abysmal. The problem is alot of the fans are too busy seeing the story through rose colored glasses or worrying about shipping pairs to see it or to care about it.
Adam is my favorite character, and they gave him such a reaming. I cried when they killed him and acted like the dynamic duo where the hero's and stopped watching the show
One thing you forgot to mention about Adam's fight was that when he lost his sword he didn't use the gun in the sheath. Since his weapon like a large amount of other weapons is a two part weapon, so instead of running to grab Blake's broken sword he should have used his own weapon. If, his semblance can be used with any weapon like you would suspect it to be he should be able to use his gun as the catalyst for it instead of his sword. Just a small thing I though I should mention.
Putting aside the possibility he ran out of ammo for his gun, Adam's sword is arguably more important because that's the weapon his Semblance relies on for it's counter-strike - if he could just use any weapon (or at least to equal effectiveness), there'd be no reason to even carry one, much less a spicific type like his sword (my personal theory is that the type of weapon determines how the counterattack power manifests - and with a sword he can cast ranged "shockwave-type" attacks and absorb blows easily... though again, that's just my theory). Lacking a sword meant losing the ability to use his Semblance to it's best effect - plus, as Yang just then demonstrated by taking Adam's sword, how is letting someone (Blake) get back their weapon ever a good idea?
Because I'm a fan of angst in every conceivable shape and form, meaning what we got of this volume's Ozpin I adore, this is what I hope volume 7 to be something like. “And what's more,” he hissed, “is that I can look each and every one of you in the eye and say none of you are better than me.” His lip half twisted up in whatever parody of a smile he knew of. “The nature of humanity, I suppose.” “What do you mean?” Ruby hissed. Her scythe was cradled in her arms and Ozpin recognised the subtle tightening of her grip. “We're nothing like you. How could you say that?” “Because you've been in the exact same situation I have been this whole time, Miss Rose. And you did exactly what I did. You had the option to tell the world about me, my lies, prove it with the relic, and get it safely to Atlas whilst preparing the whole world for Salem's next steps. It was the obvious choice, was it not?” His grin stretched wider and his eyes flashed with something like bitter triumph when Ruby's eyes widened. “Yet somehow… not. I wonder if any of you have had more luck explaining, justifying why, than I have.” Qrow growled and turned away. The ancient soul made something like a chuckle in the hollow of his chest, and dropped his head. “As I thought. Not so easy, is it?”
I swear if this isn't in V7 it'll be a crime. Ozpin NEEDS to call them out on their crap. They DID have a choice to tell the world the truth (like JNR not telling Saffron when they were looking for Ozcar) but they didn't. They're just like him now. Liars. Criminals. Murderers. Traitors. They're no longer the 'good' guys.
This is amazing it kinda reminds me of the cycle of hatred where the wars between the five great nations ravage all the small villages and Nagato changes Naruto's whole outlook on the world just like Ozpin did here
This is gold.
Don't be surprised if they pull this next Volume, and each Volume's will just be a cycle of fixing the writing of the previous one if they don't step up their game.
Yes I love this. :)
Imagine if at the end of the volume Jaune realizes they become just like Ozpin.
If only
After watching your video, the thought occurred to me "What if the writers are subtly foreshadowing the heroes fall from grace and are planning to make Ruby the new Ozpin and it will create division in the group later on as they split over ideological differences." That would be pretty cool, and considering how well they handled the complexities of Adam's motivation (biting sarcasm) I am sure they will pull it off excellently.
Clicked as soon as I saw the notification.
been waiting for this shit since like 4 days ago xD
@@Ginger-Sage just get his videos early by donating on patreon
Actually in Volume 3, the villains won. Ironically the best volume.
But only volume 3, and one of the characters that died just came back. So what's the point
Also very true
@@donny1333 They didn’t.
@Astralyia Vermillion Neo never died, or ever got visibly injured, Penny is a robot so I always thought it would be easy to get them to come back especially since they probably move bodies outside of the arena eventually when someone dies
I wonder if this is how Monty wanted it to end, I really don't think so.
IDK - Monty didn't have any issues with Adam brushing off all those White Fang deaths Cinder caused in V2 for her false-flag attack with the Breach. Hell, he did the first concepts for Adam attacking Blake in V3, so he seeming wasn't against Adam going after her specifically either - I can't say for sure about the "how it ended" but, given he green-lit the above things while he was showrunner, Monty either wanted or had no issues with Adam being a monster.
I think Monty at least would've executed it better.
@@TheScientificCookie Yes, I've read the letter - and IMHO, it feels like there's just too much salt in it to take it at word alone; the guy was hardly any more respectful to Monty with that. Hell, I've even heard Monty's own family disowned the accusations. And hell, ironically enough, Shane's letter even has something that *supports* me - he admitted in it that Monty was the one doing the first drafts of Yang vs Adam; if Monty didn't support Adam's characterization, why was he making that fight to begin with? And that just goes back to the stuff I mentioned in the prior comment about Adam's actions in V1-2 doing nothing to support him as a redeemable character - for better or worse, it seems Monty either wanted or approved of Adam to be that way.
@@mitchellbaran7917 Maybe he had them fight in V3 because Adam saw Blake as a traitor to the WF, she refused to join him and saved the life of humans?
@@ajvlogs957 But that doesn't gel with how he himself abused the White Fang - he let Cinder sacrifice scores of his mean in the Breach without any sign of remorse or anger towards their deaths. It honestly comes across even that early on as though Adam was doing it for selfish reasons and that Monty was onboard with it.
I was laughing pretty hard listening to this and I agree most of what you stated lol. I’m gay but I really am getting tired of the forced bubble bee moments too
This only reassures my opinion that Miles and Kerry are horrible writers, in fact the only actual good animated show from RT was CampCamp, how did this supposedly deep and convoluted story has worse character development than a show about kids on summer camp Is beyond me
Miles is actually a pretty good writer imo but to each their own. The Chorus Trilogy from RvB was pretty good.
@@somm150 There's the thing: I love the Chorus Trilogy, I think it's the overall best arc RvB has ever and likely will ever have. And, I've hated most of the writing in RWBY for the last few volumes. Then last year Miles came back to write season 17 of RvB because everything there's kinda... well, let's just say season 16 made this volume look like season 10. And WHEN he came back, I thought it was the best post-Chorus season. Maybe he's just better with RvB.
I can't wait for Vexed Viewer to reviews these past chapters
Me too
JacenX Eldridge he’s going to tear it apart lmao
Aaah, vexed...
Me too my man gonna tear this episode apart
JacenX Eldridge it’ll be a treat
And another thing about the shipping. I became a bigger fan of Freezerburn with Weiss hugging Yang *once* than all of Bumbleby these past 3 Volumes. Because with Freezerburn, I don't have to worry about the writers constantly shoving Yang and Weiss into the same room at every opportunity. The team dynamic is so imbalanced because of Bumbleby and that's the main reason I don't like it. Blake barely even interacted with Weiss or Ruby for crying out loud. Name ONE meaningful scene Blake has had with Weiss since Volume 1 or Ruby since EVER.
episode 13.
Its an issue, but quit blaming it on bumblebee.
So much for the beauty and the beast symbolism as well, eh? I think it was a mistake for Blake to be caught up in his philosophy from the start. She should have always thought his actions were wrong, but still been drawn by the purity of his intentions. There could have been some great symbolism with his Rose sigil gradually losing petals as he slipped further over the edge until nothing is left but a thorn. But the whole fairy-tail symbolism has faded into nothing but a shell where characters from folk-lore are just dropped here and there like, “Oh look! Their name is like this other person’s name from a book! Aren’t we so clever?”
I never thought that it would get this bad, these last few episodes and the next episode I have been rolling my eyes so hard I thought they would fall out. I am utterly disgusted at some of this bullshit recently, I used to love RWBY storytelling but it seems that as the animation has gotten better they have forgotten how to write a decent story.
0:00-0:02 my thoughts exactly
Everyone's thoughts. And finally living up to the ERUPTION of Eruption Fang.
Oh look the Grimm are attacking the city and we just took down the only thing that is capable of killing the Godzilla Grimm. Who could of seen this coming guys?
@@sixtietharc3291B-But it's for the greater good. We're the protagonist so our actions are always justified as long as we look good, don't die and always win our fights everyone will love us. Right?
Yep me too.
@@roberthaight9821 It said Rant in the title and he's focusing on the bad because that's the only thing that's happening in his perspective and mine and many others
''the fact that they killed him without exploring his character'' *implying that crwby knows how to write characters*
solid rant, would have made WAY more sense if Weiss had a chance to see the brand
They wasted Adam so badly
Literally and figuratively
Sampson Roberson it’s a shame
@@Bezaliel13 I think that was he was being sarcastic there.
Why must you kill me Blake?
You were too good to be in this show anyway
Adam Taurus I’m sorry Adam. You had so much potential
I doubt you are dead, why else would you be here?
Because RT no longer knew what do with the character, yet they keep amassing NEW characters that also stand around for most of the episode, doing nothing except in their token "I'm still here" moment.
The real Adam died when they wrote him as a psycho ex-boyfriend instead of a BadAss ideologically-driven terrorist. Now get back in the ocean you fake, you need to be there for the scene where Dr. Watts fishes you're half-dead Bleeding hide out of there and turns you into a cyborg XD
It felt like RT gave us a cake and blew it up in our face with the trailer being centered around Adam. I was getting so hyped that we would see Adam's original morals and how they became corrupted. But literally one and a half episode is all he gets and the answer was "he was just pretending". It's like they made the trailer to freaking bait us only to prove once again that the writers don't have the brainpower to make Adam compelling.
I have said this before and I will say it again: Miles and Kerry are lazy hacks.
@@frankg2790 Lazy in the way that they want to be involved in and given credit for everything but not willing to put in the effort to actually deserve it.
Now that I think about it is there any MALE character that has been written to be likable in this show: Jaune - useless until further char development Ren - for some reason his movement and reaction seem more girlish especially with that hair and of course useless until heroic death Oscar - not useless since he plays dupe for other character roles Iron wood - he is good as long as he doesn't interact with RWBY "V7 in Atlas" Perfect Blake's father - Useless leader who leads the followers unarmed into "racist club" Roman - Dead ....surely a contender for top male characters with simple backstory that cannot be butchered As for other male characters they all have some problems for some reason : i.imgur.com/g2SAWPC.jpg The message was clear when the first male character they introduced was a stalker/abuser. Also this is not to incite any gender wars. Frustrated that there is no Levi/Kamiya/greed ling/todoroki/zuko who can compete in this world filled with strong women.
@@snowyfeathers8901 for me too when he was giving no shit about consequences and taught ruby and yang good lessons. But now he is just there to support mc. After the buildup of his semblance through bad luck charm song and his whole " i have to stay away from u guys" thrown out after vol 4. Vol 1 to vol 4 subtle instances of bad luck and vol 5 and 6 only for humour.
@@hughmanatee7626 It became more severe after vol 3 (when the writing changed). The evil you mentioned (salem and cinder) got redeemable or gud back story (salem) and cinder brought back to life after having a good fight. Adam on the other hand got no back story, had a nicely presented but hollow fight scene and killed in a way that screamed "this is what u get for being a abuser" (that bone break during the fall iam sure it was chosen from many of the brutal kills they planned for him). Even the evil cinder is used as fanservice in the latest chapter with the outfit change and neo teamup (therefore she is gud to go). :(
I'm not the only one who has noticed that the male characters are usually useless for movies and books and shows all about muh feminist empowerment or with the female protagonists, right (such as worm)? I cannot be the only one who's noticed that in bs about muh feminist empowerment female characters are usually athletic with amazing swords and weapons while men shoot lasers (kyoukai no Kanata comes in mind ATM) I surely cannot be the only one who's noticed that female characters rarely fight strong male characters but other women or unknown men, to the point of cliche, I think it's a trope on TV tropes called Designated girl fight. Women fight other women and don't you dare make men fight women and win. I hate how male characters are discarded to make the female characters more valuable for muh empowerment. I fucking hate this BS. It's just so unrealistic and sets so many low quality expectations, and I find it incredibly disingenous and frustrating and I start hating bitchy female characters (like Blake) for beating up or being bitches to male characters for the obvious power imbalances the author's write. If I were to do something, I wouldn't nerf my male characters. I'd jack my female ones and make them tall, use steroids and testosterone to make them jacked and add prosthetics in the mix to make them stronger. And if I wanted to go for the muh feminist equality I'd not discard the male characters, I'd make them suffer through rape or sexual assault so it doesn't look disingenuous and make them seem useless or nerfed.
NecroMelodia finally someone who gets it see even the females are getting tired of this feminist bullshit i mean seriously. Good for you woman 👏🏻
As for the few "good male characters", notice that they are good because they orient themselves towards women and helping women. Jaune is pretty much living to carry on Pyrrha's wishes or whatever, for what he owes her, after she died to protect Beacon. Ren pretty much babysits Nora and was expected to do this from a young age. Qrow has feelings towards Summer and also for Yang and Ruby. Oscar.... Well, I could argue RoseGarden because that is the ship which RT is pushing and that he lives to help her. Not saying that these are parasitic relationships. Nora likely helps Ren as he does her, Pyrrha trained Jaune -sweaty enough to get him to take off his shirt,- so that the could get stronger. Qrow is Ruby and Yang's Uncle (yes even Yangs, I know right, I totally forgot) so of course he will look after her. Oscar and Ruby are just friends (for now) and don't have much interactions. But generally, for a male to be "good" he has to be of service to women. The only alternative is for him to be a comic relief like early Jaune was.
I left this comment on another video but it bares repeating. Killing off Adam is one of the worst storytelling decisions I have ever seen. The reason why people (including myself) hate Volume 5 is its lack of effort. Adam has the same problem. Is Adam an unredeemable monster who just wants to kill people? If so, then RT complete failed to create that type of character with Adam, he alone is responsible for the destruction of the white fang and he is also responsible for Blake becoming part of team RWBY in the first, and let's be honest, the white fang probably would have helped Cinder in the fall of Beacon regardless of Adam, for all intended purposes Adam had mostly a positive impact on remnant. He didn't even kill any of the heros or there loved ones. His biggest and longest lasting impact on the heroes is cutting of someone's arm, whop-de-do. And he also fails as a sympathetic villain ether because after he (sort of) chops off Blake's head, all of his possible redeeming quiltys were give to Ilia until an episode before his death. Plus now if they introduce a fanuas descrimation story in Atlas, it will be after everything involving the white fang has concluded (and the interesting things that could have come with). And on top of everything else not only has Blake's storyline completely concluded and now has no story arc left in her, but the motivating factor and big bad of that story died without having made any real impact. RNJR and Weiss never even saw him for crying out, Ruby never saw the man who chopped off her sister arm. Adam is the description of wasted potential, he shouldn't be and he wouldn't be if they put in the slightest bit of effort to properly develop his character. They failed in every way at creating a good villain out of Adam, and that makes me angry. Killing of Adam doesn't fix the problem, it just makes all the problems even worse since now they definitely can't be fixed, which they could have if the writers put in any actual effort. Adam's death is worse than any of the mistakes in Volume 5 because of the huge waste of everything that came before and everything that could have came in the future. The writers took the easy and lazy way out, and now RWBY will forever suffer as a result.
"Is Adam an unredeemable monster who just wants to kill people? If so, then RT complete failed to create that type of character with Adam" - How so? The man was callous about the civilian train-crew in the Black trailer - he outright brushed off sacrificing scores of his own men in V2 for Cinder's false-flag attack/the Breach instead of cutting ties with her for it - he pretty heavily implied in V3 that he joined the takedown of Beacon *just* to get to Blake... and that's all stuff done when *Monty* was showrunner. Come V4-5 and we see Adam becoming even more tyrannical in persecuting Blake's parents for her dumping him, murdering his former idol Sienna in cold blood, declares immediately beforehand his intent to commit the *genocide and enslavement of mankind* and tries to suicide-bomb himself and a large group of faunus when it doesn't work out; at what point in any of this, during *either* showrunner's time, was Adam not portrayed as anything else but a bad man at best and an outright monster at worst? "he alone is responsible for the destruction of the white fang and he is also responsible for Blake becoming part of team RWBY in the first" - That doesn't make him any less of a monster, though; his actions backfiring on him doesn't make him better - if anything they just further establish him as bad off, because it means his precedent for self-destructive tendencies was around *long* before V4 ever happened. "and let's be honest, the white fang probably would have helped Cinder in the fall of Beacon regardless of Adam" - That's not what Sienna Kahn implied; by all accounts, her grudge wasn't with *all* of humanity - just the ones that actively oppressed them (the SDC, their Atlas supporters, the system that allowed for it all, etc). Much as she touted an eye for an eye, even she didn't approve of Adam's scorched-earth tactics - hell, the fact Adam was so willing to toss his own men away for *someone else's* false-flag plan seems to say a lot as-is about how much his agenda differed from the White Fang's leadership. "Plus now if they introduce a fanuas descrimation story in Atlas, it will be after everything involving the white fang has concluded (and the interesting things that could have come with)" - I don't see how; dealing with the White Fang isn't the same as dealing with faunus prosecution - it was treating a symptom, not the cause. The White Fang problem was tackling a group of increasingly-radical extremists - the faunus oppression problem is dealing with a whole kingdom (the supposed good guys) turning a blind eye to their system and success being built off slavery, which would focus more on how to fix an issue without becoming another problem like the WF did. "And on top of everything else not only has Blake's storyline completely concluded and now has no story arc left in her, but the motivating factor and big bad of that story died without having made any real impact" - I disagree for one simple reason; Blake was one of the ones to kill him. After trying so hard to either avoid or prevent it for much of the series, Blake not only has blood on her hands but on her partner's - the blood of someone she once cared about, at that. IMHO, that's not something a person just walks off - even in death, Adan may yet still haunt her as the person she, despite her best efforts, was ultimately forced to kill in order to survive; the man who, with his last act, forced her to compromise herself and her morals. And yes, I do understand this is speculation on what may or may not get explored, but my point is that it's not like Blake's story or even Adam's has nowhere left to go. "RNJR and Weiss never even saw him for crying out, Ruby never saw the man who chopped off her sister arm" - I think that was more *Adam's* fault than anything else - the man was obsessed with Blake alone; he didn't care about anyone else, so there was no real reason for them to face him. They may have had grievances with the man, but he himself lacked any reason to want an encounter with them, much less be present at any opportunities to fight them. "Adam is the description of wasted potential, he shouldn't be and he wouldn't be if they put in the slightest bit of effort to properly develop his character" - I disagree for one big reason; "character development" refers to how a character changes as the story progresses - it isn't exclusive to a character bettering themselves, much less becoming likable people. To me, Adam is the same vein as characters like Fate/Stay Night's Kirei Kotomine - he's a figure you could call "tragic", but ultimately not one you can call sympathetic; he has moments where you feel for him, but they don't make him any less of a bad or monstrous person. That being said, Kotomine is definitely a far better and more well-developed character, but the point remains that at the end of the day he isn't and never was intended to be a sympathetic figure - there was no saving him and the only way to stop him was in death. Simply putl tust because they don't deviate from being monsters doesn't mean a writer failed to "properly develop" them. "Killing of Adam doesn't fix the problem, it just makes all the problems even worse since now they definitely can't be fixed" - I disagree, given how any other outcome IMHP would feel inconsistent with Adam's lack of redeeming moments and (personally speaking) make it feel kind of cheep, if not cringy, to have him just keep trying to kill Blake without consequence. Likewise, it's actually pretty easy to have things "fixed" by showing his death have an impact on Blake (who showed grief and remorse for him even after all he did) and Yang (who worryingly showed far less remorse despite the more brutal act of stabbing Adam in the back). It's less a "lack of effort" to me so much as that Adam reaped what he sowed - the only failure would be if nothing is done to build off his death having an impact like Pyrrha's did.
@@mitchellbaran7917 Then Luffy, Batman, Superman, Thorfin (Vinland saga) and Spiderman should kill their enemies too, right? Cause that is the solution of all problems.
@@mray4784 I think you've kind of confused my point; "unavoidable" and "solution" are two separate things IMHO - when something is unavoidable, it means it was going to happen no matter what with no real choice possible; it doesn't mean the matter was "solved" or that how it ended was good so much as that there wasn't any other way it could have happened, for better or worse. Nobody said killing was "the solution to all problems"; I only said that Adam's death was a product of *his* actions - Blake tried to make him back off; she let him go at Haven and she begged him multiple times in this fight to walk away. He didn't. And even though he deserved what was coming to him IMHO, neither Blake nor Yang nor anyone else celebrates his death as good or even "the solution" - because it wasn't; Blake and Yang have blood on their hands now, and they're going to have to live with that. To make a long story short; I never said killing Adam was "the solution", much less the ideal one. Simply that, by a product of who Adam himself was and the kind of character he displayed, there wasn't any other outcome possible.
@@mitchellbaran7917 Well said. Lately it just seems like a bunch of fans of the character are just mad their reprisentation of themselves has been removed. Says a lot about the "fans" more than it does the writers. (Who btw are following Monty's scripts and notes...so...its definently a "pissed off my favorite character died" sort of thing. I'm not trying to insult anybody here, but I feel a lot of people talk as if they know Monty or what the show would have been like. I still enjoy the show.
Real happy to see how Adam “One shot” Taurus got reduced to phsyco ex-boyfriend. On god if Enabler where the most popular ship, RT would pull some half-assed scenario to bait it.
Congrats RWBY, you killed off your potentially second most interesting villain in favor of shipping. 🤦🏼♀️ AND CINDER IS STILL ALIVE! I’ve been watching RWBY since the beginning. But even after Vol. 5, this is perhaps the first time that I have ever been this legit seething with rage at a writing decision.
IDK. I can get wishing Adam's death had more done with it, but... "second most interesting villain"? From day one he wasn't given any positive traits - his callousness to both the train-crew in the Black trailer and to his own men when Cinder sacrificed them with the Breach didn't seem like endearing aspects. Literally the only thing he had going for him was his cool design - nothing about him as a character really stood out much even compared to Cinder. I can understand feeling more could have been done, but I seriously don't get the "legit seething with rage" bit.
@@mitchellbaran7917 Who were the most interesting villains to you? Personally Adam was #1 cause of his over all importance. Influence over Faunus, cool design, badass fighting animations, interactions with other baddies, cool semblance, hidden eyes, suspicious connection to roses and the moon, overall mysterious. Cinder has no mentioned motivations. She just kills and wants power. She should've remained mute/raspy after Beacon to make her interesting. She had design, mystery and power like Adam but she was unnecessarily EVIL! Should've died after the 1st relic was obtained cause she was basically a returning gag villain at that point.
@@hughmanatee7626 "Who were the most interesting villains to you?" - For me, it's Torchwick and Neo. IMHO, Torchwick not only the same "cool design" and "competent fighter" advantages Adam had, but he felt more interesting because he wasn't just some genocidal nut or anti-kingdom mastermind - he was more a savvy opportunist and capitalist; a guy with Luthor's clean-cut sense of business but the Joker's flamboyant sense of style (only *competently* done in contrast to Dawn of Justice's version). He was a guy looking out for number one and he did what it took to do it - he wanted "the good things in life"; he wasn't excessively bloodthirsty like Adam or a megalomaniac (or at least not a huge one) like Cinder, so he came across as a bit less cliché or caricature-like to me. Or at least that's what drew me in. In that same vein, I see Neo like the Mercy-Harley cross to Torchwick's Luthor-Joker - attentive and dangerous, yet teasing and cruel. Additionally, she had the unique aspect of emoting solely through body-language (expressions, eye-color changes, etc); something that arguably enhanced her character in a way that played up to her charm in contrast to Adam's mask (since while masks have the "mysterious" vibe to them, it's very easy for the reveal to feel like a letdown if you wait too long to do it). At that point, her semblance's "glasswork clone" ability (which has one of the widest-ranging applications next to Weiss' Glyphs) are just icing on the cake (or I guess the cherry on the sundee would be a better term XD). "Personally Adam was #1 cause of his over all importance" - IDK; most of that comes across as just the design rather then his characterization, IMHO. And as for authority, the way he brushed off all those White Fang deaths (his own men no less) that Cinder caused in V2 with the Breach (a plan Adam/The White Fang didn't even come up with and were waging against a Kingdom that didn't even condone faunus exploitation like Atlas does with the SCD) felt like it killed the idea of him being some kind of "noble demon" as opposed to just plain bloodthirsty. And personally, I never saw him as being all that connected to the moon - Weiss and Ruby were given as many (if not more) scenes connecting them to it. "She had design, mystery and power like Adam but she was unnecessarily EVIL!" - So was Adam, IMHO. The man was callous to an extreme even during Monty's time as showrunner - to the civilians on the train, to what Cinder did with his own men in the Breach - like I said before, "bloodthirsty" seemed to embody the guy well past the point of even a "noble demon" justification. And that in turn is another reason why I'm not really angry for Adam to die the way he did - the fact Cinder survived what Raven did to her felt like plot-armor to me; I think I'd have called bullshit if Adam fell into the same vein.
@@mitchellbaran7917 Torchwick and Neo are good picks but because CRWBY decided to kill off Torchwick and made Neo disappear for soo long, I stopped caring for them. I'd say those two should be what every standard villain should be. Capable, stylish, clever, realistic and with personality. Good pick. Concerning that arrangement with Cinder: There was no clear indication of Adam knowing he could take on Cinder and the resources she provided was backed by her power. By the looks of it Cinder's employers seem wealthy and capable so Adam chose to agree than to potentially die with nothing. Cinder did say "Our plan will be beneficial to both of us or one of us." So instead of being killed off and having his men taken from him, he took Cinder's offer. Not much of a choice there. What do you think a logical Adam that actually cared for the White Fang would've done there? Although Adam maybe the one with the most blood on his hands you can't ignore Cinder. She takes shortcuts and uses others to get her power, minimizing the blood she sheds herself, leaving it to others. She was the one to bring chaos into Beacon to begin with. Although, it was for Salem. At least we have some sort of motivation for Adam to be the way he is. Cinder is just evil for the sake of the plot, nothing else. I agree Cinder should've just died after her encounter with Raven but what happened to Adam was just weird and felt forced. Instead of saying he wants to get even with Blake, he says he can't get over her and complains about how she left him for Yang? I'm sorry but what the fuck? Why does he even care to know Yang's name? If this were the same Adam we knew from volumes 1-3 he wouldn't even remember who Yang is or her name! That's a whole other mess of it's own. As for Adam's connection to the moon: His iconic attack "moonslice" is what he had going for him and it's not like any other villains had attacks designed with rose petals and the moon. It was exclusive to heroes like Ruby and Qrow that's what made him special.
@@hughmanatee7626 "Torchwick and Neo are good picks but because CRWBY decided to kill off Torchwick and made Neo disappear for soo long, I stopped caring for them" - I think that has more to do with Monty's side then M&K, though; Monty originally didn't plan for Torchwick to last past V1, and he created Neo from wholecloth not even two weeks before her debut episode so anything having to do with her was not in the grand plan beforehand. If anything, I thank the CRWBY for daring to bring Neo back when she probably wasn't meant to have a big role before and for giving Torchwick more screen-time then Monty originally planned for. "There was no clear indication of Adam knowing he could take on Cinder and the resources she provided was backed by her power" - But that's just it, though; that's *no different than the SDC* - there's no clear indication the White Fang could have taken them and the resources they provide are backed by their own power via contracts with Atlas, but they do so anyway because *that's what their cause is about.* Adam making a deal like that with someone like Cinder flies in the face of their goals. "By the looks of it Cinder's employers seem wealthy and capable so Adam chose to agree than to potentially die with nothing" - But again; If Adam really felt the White Fang's cause was that righteous, *he shouldn't have cared about that* - he'd have been as steadfast against her as the White Fang claim to be against the SDC... but he wasn't. Instead, he showed no remorse or anger when she threw away his men for a false-flag attack on a kingdom that wasn't even supporting faunus exploitation like Atlas arguably does. What Cinder did was just as bad as what the White Fang propagate the SDC to do - and Adam went right along with it; that doesn't really paint a picture of a guy who cares about the cause as opposed to what it can do for him. If Adam really cared for the White Fang, I'd think he'd have chosen to *walk away* then to get in bed with a human - much less one that basically embodies every vain, prideful and self-serving aspect of mankind the White Fang claim to hate. Hell, even Sienna Kahn - the person who *made* the White Fang anti-human to begin with - balked at Adam dealing with the likes of Cinder. "Although Adam maybe the one with the most blood on his hands you can't ignore Cinder.She takes shortcuts and uses others to get her power, minimizing the blood she sheds herself, leaving it to others" - But so did Adam. - He took the shortcut of killing people wholesale to get a message across (even Sienna herself ends up killed like this) - He used others to get power (like how he manipulated people such as Blake and Ilia to gain support). - He minimized the direct bloodshead by his own hands to look more "upstanding" with others doing it for him (he gave control of his subordinates to Cinder and Torchwick against Vale, or assigned hit-jobs to Ilia - even against other faunus like the Belladonnas). "At least we have some sort of motivation for Adam to be the way he is. Cinder is just evil for the sake of the plot, nothing else" - Not necessarily; nothing Adam did spoke of anything that could be justified with what we know, even up to this point. Adam's past only explains him joining the White Fang, and even then only as a backstory rather than a present-tense motivator - they don't explain his callousness or antipathy to civilians or even his fellow faunus, much less the more spiteful side he shows later on. It feels like Blake summed him up perfectly in calling him "the embodiment of spite" - like Cinder, he seemed to be evil just for it's own sake rather then having any deep motivator. "I agree Cinder should've just died after her encounter with Raven but what happened to Adam was just weird and felt forced" - I disagree for one simple fact; Adam's already been established as incapable of letting go of grudges. The moment he got away from Haven, it was basically a guarantee he'd keep chasing her - hell, it was a guarantee he'd hate her even more for stripping him of everything else he had. IDK about the "weird" part, but it certainly didn't feel "forced" to me - he'd already proven he wouldn't stop until someone died; the only question was whether he'd go first or them. "Instead of saying he wants to get even with Blake, he says he can't get over her and complains about how she left him for Yang?" - I thought he *did* say he wanted to get even with/make Blake pay for hurting him? Hell, when he first attacked her, he cursed the day she came into his life and blamed her for taking everything from her - his comment about how much she hurt him is more him saying why he *first* hated her; now it's just the first reason in what's become a pile of "never my fault" reasons. "Why does he even care to know Yang's name?" - Because *Blake* cares; he said in V3 that he was going to make anyone and everyone she cared about suffer for leaving him - the fact she's someone Blake has *any* concern for is enough in his eyes. Like Blake said in V4; Embodiment of spite. "If this were the same Adam we knew from volumes 1-3 he wouldn't even remember who Yang is or her name!" - I beg to differ. This is the guy who cared nothing about civilians who were in the wrong place at the wrong time (V1), had no complaint throwing away his own men for someone else's agenda against a kingdom that did him no wrong (V2), and helped cripple that kingdom just to get to one person (V3); IMHO, that sounds like *exactly* the kind of person who would care about killing Yang for the sole fact that she's someone who's death or suffering will hurt a person who'd hurt him. It follows the exact same train started in V1 - a man who's callous and bloodthirsty enough to do things just to spite someone or something he doesn't like. "As for Adam's connection to the moon: His iconic attack "moonslice" is what he had going for him" - Actually, from what I know, "moonslice" was what Monty called the *scene* of Adam cutting down the robot in his notes - his Semblance itself never got an official name. Even than, it arguably had more to do with the whole "samurai/ninja under the moon" theme that the image evoked rather then with Adam himself having a special connection to the moon. By contrast, a lot of characters have had scenes with the moon in them - hell, Weiss final attack in the White trailer was her diving down while the Moon was behind her and even Cinder had more connection with her being framed by the moon in the V2 intro; it was far from unique to him even among the villains, much less something that made him special among them.
Someone, please ask Miles and Kerry at RTX how different Ruby and the rest are from Ozpin if they believe that they can just break the law because "they're saving the world". I mean, if Ozpin's actions are supposed to be morally dubious, how is following his example any better? Also, that other question about killing defenseless enemies should be raised. Perhaps someone should also raise the question of how Yang and Blake were different from Adam when they seemed to apply the same moral principle: use violence and murder because it gets results Regarding sympathy for villains, I'm now afraid for Mercury. I mean, his scene about his father was cool. I'm already expecting them to somehow torture him to his version of "death by BB gun". Maybe they’ll decapitate him with a wooden spoon Adam's face reveal just felt so empty, I agree. I would have wanted it to appear much earlier in the series, to establish why he hated humans (or at least the Schnee Dust Company). However, what the hell was he doing later on? He was fighting against his own kind, and he was fighting against Blake, not Weiss. What the hell happened to his motivation? Still, I wouldn't mind if he changed over time and abandoned his ideals. However, I want to see this change, this descent into his own tragic end. It would be great to see how his story would end with a realization that he had truly lost, not just physically but also morally. I would have wanted him to realize in his dying moments that he had turned his back on the very people he used to fight for Alternatively, Adam became so blinded by revenge that he would pursue every chance he would get to spite humans and especially the Schnees, even if it went against common sense. His end in this route would have been to die just before he got to his target, just a few steps away I need to see how the heroes get consequences for their actions. Otherwise, it is a major writing flaw. What limits do these characters have to operate within? I was at least expecting that Adam take down at least one of the two, but Yang only got a scratch on her arm. I’m not sure if it has been severely damaged, even Still, shipping has greatly damaged the quality of the writing. There was much more to Adam than his relationship with Blake, whether romantic or mentor-apprentice. Saying that his persona was just some facade would have worked if we actually saw that Adam was really a different person instead of the extremist that we saw in the earlier versions. I mean, he made no qualms about using violence to bring about Faunus rights. What would have worked instead was someone like Ghira. If Adam constantly made a show of how he regretted violence, that could have been his facade, that in actuality, he reveled in violence and killing. However, we see him as some warrior who had resorted to violence in order to protect his kind. Also, even with this supposed facade, it would do nothing for the actual relationship between Adam and Blake aside from an actual clash of philosophies, unless Adam tried to impress Blake with his regret of violent actions?? Forcing a ship down our throats is the worst way to promote it. I mean, seriously, even the dialogue was puking. What was that crap about protecting each other??
My favourite thing about this episode is how you actually fucking CALLED some giant grimm attacking the city and the mech being useless because it got damaged in the fight
Well, it was actually pretty natural to expect that.
I think it’s actually quite insulting to the shippers, at least the nice ones. It’s like, all rooster teeth thinks they need to do is dangle a bit of Bumblebee holding hands and looking “cute” and the shippers will rate the episode 5 stars and give them glowing reviews. The sad thing is this is often true.
Yeah there is too much shipping.
Sophia Dashwood it’s sad how they’re using bumblebee as a way to keep their views up. :/ they need to be called out on this. i feel like their actions between them are so forced instead of being subtle like before
Next season of RWBY could be on the CW. 'Nuff said.
@@nyooxd639 except they'll just call you rude, ignore you, and a horde of wasps will attack you because Bumblebullshit
The show has become nothing, but a FAN SERVICE
It's 2019 and i'm still angry about Adam's death and how the writers treated him. It was just all fan baiting. The crew satisfied the Bumblebee fans but end up pissing off the RWBY fans. The series just became less watchable.
bro its 2020 and in still mad about it
I remember when I used to think Adam had a chance of directly joining up with Salem as her second in command. It would have so cool if 2 people who thought what they were doing was right but have a thirst for destruction formed a partnership. Also the scar reveal made me so uncomfortable. How do you drop a major plot point with no further explanation? Blake gets flashback cinematics but Adam just get gets one singular short to himself that doesn't show his childhood. We only get to know Adam as a teenage bad boy.
Bro! I almost lost my ears 🤣
well i lost the interest of this shit trash writer show
and salem also would when she defeated by making ruby having sex with wiess.. because this is what the show become .. gay love shit beat good story
@@inzohector2035 if you really lost the interest then stop watching this "shit" or write these kind of comment. I mean, just because EruptionFang didn't really enjoyed that, it doesn't mean that you necessarily have to agree with him.
i do agree with him .. this the worst writer for ep i watch in my entire life .. like i dont know is this chibi bullshit or canon
@@inzohector2035 I feel like the writers took one of my favourite characters(and im guessing your favourite) dragged him to a ditch a beat him to death. Could of been written so well with the conflicting philosophies, kind of similar to Xavier and Magneto, but NAAH instead look at bumblebee MURDER this dude because he is the BAD GUY and we are the GOOD GUYS. I hate how rwby just nerfs these characters and waste their potential. Oh well i'll just have to see what rwby does next and hopefully they improve their writing.
It’s funny how the majority of people defunding this distasteful writing our the ones that can’t and will not mention the mistakes that the writers as well as the animators have made. I can’t be the only one that witness Adma... literally throw Blake’s sheath (with enough force) off the ridge to the right of the waterfall just to pop up in a different spot for the sake of the plot. Also debuffing a villain doesn’t make the main characters strong. It only promotes the idea that the protagonist was saved by the animators lack of skills. Or saved by the writer who doesn’t know the difference between consistency or pandering, like a sea turtle thinking it’s eating sea jellies but it’s choking on plastic. Like how Adam got no real hits in on Yang for the majority of the fight (acting as if his aura is just naturally fortified) for Yang’s aura to just fade as if she was enduring pain. What happened to the antagonist showing skill through combs. Because the main characters are doing just fine in that subject as if they can’t animate nor write real tension. The tension should be the action, not some snooze feast were everyone has the one liners with no come backs. (with the audience clapping while saying “Ahh you showed them”) The action of a character speaks louder and longer than some waste scene of monologue and pandering. Even with that making an antagonist one side is a biased way to make a story. If you go back to pre Monty vs post you will see how majority of (if not every) antagonist is pushed with serious changes that contradicts even the smallest choices they make in the newer volumes. You can’t move forward if you can’t take criticism. He should’ve wrote that flaw into his character (Jaune)
Well now we are going to hear from Blake and Yang voice actresses how this episode is the emotional. How killing Adam is the best for Blake and Yang. How everyone will praise them for such emotional acting. Without realising they are just like Adam. Murderers.
They are not like Adam. Stop sniffing glue
would you call someone who kills a mass murderer during the act a murderer, or a savior? cause guess what Yang and Blake just did
I can think of a hero who doesn't kill. It's his freaking golden rule. And his arch nemesis TRIES so hard to get him go to cross that line. Our hero does right because it's right. Well, who do think I'm talking about? BATMAN!!!!!!
@@dankbudew4830 Batman yes
imagine not knowing how self defense works lmao
The meaning behind Adam's character: We were mistreated because we were a different race...(Relates to everyone.) *script change* I'm toxic...(Relates only to those in toxic relationships.)
I wanna mention one particular small detail that probably says a lot more to me than it should have. Look at how gratuitous Adam's death is played: Stabbed twice from the front and back, let him stumble pathetically a bit, then falls off a cliff, hits the rock face, and then fucking spins as he lands in the water. The scene direction is clearly set up to make the character look as pathetic as possible in several means not even stemming directly from his own actions. Look at an anime like Naruto that this show clearly drew "inspiration" from for a scene like this: for the greater part, established characters or even one-offs who happened to have more dimension were killed off in ways that either emphasized those traits, ways that leave an impression as much how they left as how they entered, and this from a series with a plot device that meant their deaths weren't even totally permanent like in a lot of other shows. Adam's death doesn't remotely give off an air of subtlety or meaningfulness in how he died, nothing that ties his downfall to his actual character flaws, nor does he even go out in a scenario that fits the version of the character from back when he had untapped potential and the show seemed like it had a plan for him. He dies in a fight out in the middle of nowhere with only Yang and Blake as opponents or witnesses, and his actual death is basically designed to humiliate him, running after his weapon and then getting smacked around when he's defenseless and even when he's essentially left dead. This isn't "here's the end of Adam's story," this is "watch how the bad man gets beat around before we get rid of him from the show," which is an even harder sentiment to shake given it's juxtaposed with yet more Bumblebee teasing. It's similar to the problem I have with the newer Star Wars films: Your Villains have to give the air that they can in fact defeat your heroes for there to be any tension in the conflicts with them. Yet because you're afraid to make your heroes look even mildly incapable for one reason or another, the villains never get to win a conflict in a manner that has consequences for more than a few days (whether relatively speaking or literally, in universe or out). The thing that makes Vader so intimidating is that on top of defeating the heroes at several turns, his action have consequences that can't be and aren't undone within the movie they happen: Obi-Wan's death clearly affects Luke throughout the first and second movies, and Vader not only breaks Luke physically, but mentally with the reveal of his relation, something that clearly has Luke questioning his actions and thoughts for the rest of the saga. He's a threatening villain because even if you take the assumption that the Good Guys will win, his actions force them to go to much greater lengths to win and there's still the threat that defeating him will force the heroes to risk compromising or destroying a part of themselves to do it. But no, Adam's character has been reduced to an angry abusive ex-BF so that the characters are entirely justified in killing him after he's already lost the fight and outmatched. It's not like the mentality of an abusive character, whether authority or romantic partner, is anything complex or ripe for development or examination; that would require someone to write a character instead of a strawman cartoon villain.
He doesn't even get any last words except for a whimpered "no". His character became so hollow at this point that he doesn't even say anything meaningful for his last words.
@@SwitchbackCh To me that was kind of the point, his whole philosophy and way of doing things has pretty much gone down the tubes at this point. Blake left him, the fanus don't want anything to do with him, Salem's pretty much done with him as he no longer has a use, he's pretty much pushed to the point of insanity that he literally kills people now just because they talk back to him, fanus or human. At this point the entire world is pretty much destroyed, all he wants now is revenge on blake because he believes his life ended up the way it did because she didn't see the world his way and wanted something different. But naw, you're right, totally uninteresting story of how someone destined for greatness slowly kept spiraling down into the pits of despair, insanity, and eventually death.
@@Xershade There was nothing interesting about his downfall. It happened because the writers made him incompetent, not because of a natural development of the plot.
@@FrostyAUT He's LITERALLY been doing this since season three, hell in season four he's shown to be losing it. Adam has one belief, people who have wronged him pay for it. He got so hung up on Blake "betraying him" that he lost control of the White Fang. Hell even him using them is an extension of his philosophy. At this point Adam being around has less value to the story then Cinder, and she's only around because someone slightly insane has to keep their hands on the Fall Maiden's powers so Salem can get the beacon relic.
@@Xershade But why was he losing it? At the fall of Beacon, he let Blake go. He seemed content with having hurt her through Yang and he knew that he was going to continue doing so. Cut to vol. 4/5, he completely loses his cool for no reason. They ruined his character, simple as that.
I've had more enjoyment watching these breakdowns the past 2 or 3 episodes then the actual episode
And yet my best friend doesn't understand why I don't like RWBY anymore
What really annoys me is the fact he showed up in volume 6 at argus at all. They never explain how he found them and knew where they were going. He went back to the white fang base and then suddenly i teleported to argus.
yeah he just came out of nowhere
you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see your favourite characters turn into criminals and murderers
You mean like Adam? Surely you don't mean Blake and Yang for defending themselves?
Basically Adam.
No I straight up mean Team RWBY JNPR and then Yang and Blake. How they conducted this felt abrupt and would have been more impactful if they made it more of a choice to kill him. Instead they go straight for the kill because that solves everything. It's a very unheroic thing for them to have done despite the justification. If our heroes start acting like villains because they have divine purpose are they still heroes?
Speaking personally I’d have been fine with them killing Adam IF and only IF he still flight, I’m not talking “oh he reached for her weapon” I’m talking straight up started fist fighting them! Our “heros” struggle with trying NOT to kill him, only to ending up doing it as a TRUE last resort, as in he will keep fighting even until he dies. maybe even have him die of exhaustion instead of having the hero’s suddenly murder him. Anything is better then this!
lh0000 Id have even preferred if the fight went back to the pylon and Adam Green goblined himself while trying to strike them down
What is worse is that Adam wasn't defenseless. He had his motherfreaking shotgun and he barely used it. It could have saved him but no! Well at least his sufferings are over. Rest in peace Adam Taurus.
R.l.P Adam
This rant aged amazingly
Still funny as hell too
Hell, the absolute least they could have done was Adam calling them out on their hypocrisy with his dying breath.
I feel so angry that they wasted such a good character (Adam) with lots of potential for redemption or to become a real villain. Adam was that character that could've chosen any path for this story but instead of developing him, they kill him..SO ENRAGED!
Freezing Snow Adam was so far gone he couldn’t be redeemed. Literally he’s just been reduced to a crazy guy trying to get back his cat girlfriend.
It's interesting to see how different the comment responses are depending on the Rwbytuber... :0 WARNING, RANTish... comment ahead: I'm not 100% sure but I've seen quite a few comments saying Barbra said that Adam's plotline (and "potentially" BxY) was planned from the beginning with Monty. However planning =/= execution: >Adam and Blake were a "thing" >Shows 0 on screen romantic chemistry between the two (Blake refers to Adam as her MENTOR) >Adam is an obsessive, abusive ex >Let's Blake go in the Black trailer, tells the WF not to purse Blake and his original plan was to go to Mistrial before Cinder got involved (despite already knowing Blake was at Beacon) There's more points as well but I'll be here all day, some nickpicks about chp 12; notice how the mech that was next to cliff in one shot, was teleported into the distant in the next scene so Ruby&co could formulate a plan moreover notice how Adam didn't use his gun when everyone's aura was down (despite using it in his previous fight against Blake, kinda convenient if just "ran out" of ammo). Overall chp 12 has left me completely bamboozled, I literally don't know if I liked or disliked the episode overall tbh (since I actually liked the choreography, music and Ruby taking out the mech cannon).
They should have just left adam as he was in season 3
@@darrenteo4576 I agree
Current day adam is not even 1/3 as strong as the old adam
Adam was forced to become a plot device and it showed from the moment Illia was introduced.
Adam Taurus used to gaze up at the sky with bright blue eyes whenever he could, between shifts in the dust mines, dreaming of the day he would leave the tunnels behind to find his place in the world. But what he found instead was himself... on the ground, staring up at the three letters that damned him now and forever. Scarred. Despised. Cold. Adam's heart grows black, his hatred red hot. The final traces of love, the beauty he let go, never returns, and as the last petal falls, Adam is cursed to forever remain a beast. Because, in this tale as old as time, there is no happy ending. In this story... HE is the monster. Adam Taurus had finally found his place, and he would watch humanity... burn. "I wanted equality! I wanted peace!" -Blake "What you want, is IMPOSSIBLE!" -Adam
Well it's like a wise man once said "Either you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."