Can Scotland Leave Britain & Rejoin the European Union? - TLDR News
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With the Scottish Parliamentary Elections just around the corner, the topic of Scottish Independence has resurfaced once again. Some Scots are especially keen to leave the UK because they then want to rejoin the EU, so in this video we explore that. We discuss why some Scots want to rejoin the EU, the SNP position on it and how Scotland could actually go about rejoining the European Union.
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Lived in Scotland around that time. Can confirm, a lot of people voted remain only because they didn't want to leave the EU.
I'm from Scotland and you are spot on, this is another scenario where what England says goes...
I think it was more like people were worried about the scaremongering on their pensions.
So many people in the UK would be so glad not to have to support your whiney little country, good luck with those EU subsidies!
@@neilgriffiths6427 better than future of "United-England"
Don`t forget, people in Scotland lost there trust in Labour and have no faith in Tories, and had to vote SNP. But the fact remains a large amount of Scots did not even bother to vote, Because the voting was very one sided, i am a Scot and i know that as a fact.
Imagine bringing a girl home and the first thing she sees is the 'TLDR news couch'
You're definitely selling it.
i would swoon ;)
She'd runaway 😆
I laughed so much at this comment, putting it in to action in my head 😂
There are worse couches to find...
"Guys, you won't be able to stay in the EU if you leave!" "Ok, we'll stay." "Hey guys we're leaving the EU!" "What! Bullshit! We want to leave!" "AAAH NO YOU ONLY GET TO VOTE ONCE IN A LIFETIME!! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!"
Nice tl;dr lol.
More accurately in 2014 - leaving the UK means you'll leave the EU; SNP - we don't care 2016 - SNP leaving the EU changes everything
London changed the rules after Scotland commitment, the rules aren't the same , if that was a commercial contract, it would be nullified in a second
@@JoaoMariaNunes don't drink before you post, nothing changed except the SNP showing "once in a generation" was a lie.
If Scotland really wanted to leave the UK and join the EU, this would take at least a decade. They could of course join the Republic of Ireland. That would give them instant membership, but may require the closing of Holyrood. Northern Ireland would inevitably follow shortly after
If the dates for the Scottish Independence referendum and Brexit were swapped, Scotland would have probably gotten independence
Based off what? You just gonna kerp greeting till you get the result you wanted aye?
So the Scots would throw away a multi-century old Union for a 4 decade old one over their fellow British people. That would be humiliating to Scottish people in the long term, whereas Brexit is only humiliated in the short term.
@@Johno1992 Because the arguments that were made to remain were nullified by leaving?
@@MrJuanmarin99 my point exactly. Been saying this this all along.
@@Johno1992 based on the number of Scottish people that voted to remain I’d say. If you had told Scotland that in two years we will be voting to leave the EU, and that just down to the population difference between The UK countries, then no the chances of staying in will be drastically reduced should England vote to leave, I’m sure the vote would have been much different. And before anyone comments about me being a remoaner, I was for Scotland staying part of the UK.
Man, that clip of Sturgeon saying it's possible that Scotland could vote against independence in order to stay in the EU, only to have the UK leave the EU... I didn't know that she was a sorcerer.
Divination wizard actually lol. If going by dungeons and dragons rule set
But the SNP held a referendum whilst the UK was in the EU which means that the SNP wanted to leave the UK AND EU.
It wasn't especially prescient. In the run up to the 2014 referendum, plenty of people were saying the same thing. We knew the EU referendum was coming at some point and there was half a chance the English would vote the whole UK out of the EU, given the level of anti-Europeanism that seemed to fill large sections of the UK Media. Having said that - the prevailing wisdom was that the EU referendum would result in a Remain vote but of course, the BBC and other media completely underestimated just how much the English public disliked the idea of Europe and when it came out 52/48 for Leave there was surprise even amongst some of the the Leave camp. Genie's out the bottle now. Sturgeon was right but it was an easy call.
she's definitely a witch
I mean it’s not like there were two hundred alternative possibilities.
Man, I can't believe you advertised your sofa in this thing haha. Brilliant.
Issuing the couch before couching the issues!
Yeah, kinda ghetto.
£200 for a second hand sofa seems expensive.
@@JimmiAlli but you can't say his marketing wasn't brilliant
We're not allowed on KZhead to say the problem, it's 'hate speech' and there's loads of horrible KZhead members just reporting comments as hate and so you just don't comment.
Just to point something out, Spain already said they wouldn't veto, both the Spanish PM and then Minister of Foreign Affairs, who now is the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs
Be a hell of a statement to any country that wants to leave the EU. You go. You fragment. We welcome the pieces back.
@@DSVII On one side it is, but from what I know, something that truly hit "Hearts and minds" was the speech by that SNP MEP when he said "leave a light on, so we can find our way home" and all the surrounding campaign. I don't think Scottish Independence would go all that well, but I think the EU would cut them some slack to get back in even if they didn't exactly meet the criteria
@@Batmack I agree that I don't think Scottish Independence would go well, but it would definitely be a show of geopolitical strength on the part of the EU (at a time when Russia's meddling in Eastern European EU states is getting dangerous) to swiftly welcome Scotland. If the EU is smart, it will offer Scotland a preemptive promise of admittance even before Scotland votes on any independence referendum. It would anger the English Tories, I'm sure. But the Tories are only one faction in English politics and perhaps the English right is precisely who needs a public spanking right about now.
I wouldn't trust a bit any one of those two morons.
@@ems7623 correct up to u said Russia. Its UK and USA causing issues in eastern Europe . Remember nato saying we wont go east.
It's up to the Scottish people to decide, but as a European, I'd gladly welcome them back and they have my full support if they decide they want to leave the UK and rejoin Europe
Does your support also extend to Catalonia?
@@ZyNeEnZyNe I'm french, and mine certainly does. One of the pillars of Europe, and even more so the EU, is self-determination. The case of Catalonia is far from being easy, but even Spain recognized this matter and the one of Scotland are separated issues, not linked to one another. I don't say I agree with that, but that's what politicians think.
@@fireprism2232 Hi, if you really believe that the EU allows 'self-determination ' you are deluded. The EU is more and more dictatorial.
@@jamesm9534 I'd say quite the contrary, it has become useless. Useless policies, useless politians. One just needs to realize that all countries around the globe give much more attention and worry much more about what the UK, France and Germany have to say, rather than the whole EU. But it's interesting to me that you have this opinion. Could I ask why ?
@@fireprism2232 The opening tenant of the European project is 'ever closer union (paraphrasing) in other words get rid of the idea of individual countries. Look at the original aims of Jean Monet (one of the founders of the European project). Then look at the structure of the EU. It has a Parliament which has little actual power. eg. Parliament can't initiate, change or repeal legislation it can only 'rubber stamp' what has been proposed by the EU commission. Is this to give the illusion of democracy? The president of the commission is elected by the 'preferred candidate' system where the commission proposes just one candidate, Parliament then votes yes or no to that one candidate. The old USSR system was the same! It's not democracy.
Good video, but you have left out Latvia, Estonia and Finland out of your EU map 😅
they don't exist open your eyes
@@frosty9782 looool
@@frosty9782 Can confirm, it's just a void here
They also left all the islands out if their map of Scotland
Unwatchable
As a Scot it's cool to see someone take a balanced view on the issue. Whatever side of the debate you fall on we should all agree that open debate should take priority over propaganda.
Absolutely, anyone is allowed to voice an oppinion, and NOBODY has a right to not be offended. It's the timid, spineless cowards of this Counrty that effectuate the nanny state or more aptly a Marxist state.
Trying telling this to the SNP.
The debate is kinda over. The polls have been trending this way since before Brexit was a twitch in Farage's loins. If there was going to be any good points, it was made then. Boris' successor won't stop this.
I would never side with racist, anti-Semitic France. The government of France is beneath contempt.
@@afoley2812 France or Germany with herr Merkel and her socialist party
I'm English and I've never really been in favor of Scottish independence but after the way Scotland was treated during Brexit (Scotland should have been given a veto) I can completely understand why the majority of Scots might want to be independent at this point. If the UK loses Scotland, even if that day is several years off, it will be the permanent legacy of the Brexit flim-flam men, Nigel and Boris. In the very long run it will be the main thing either of them are remembered for: the men who destroyed Britain.
The people of the UK voted to leave. Why should a minority of people get a veto?
@@d283jdsk2 If four families are going out to eat and there is a restaurant that only one of the families likes but that family has more members than the others, do you go to that restaurant?
@@GrahamCLester Wales voted to leave more than the UK as a whole did by percentage. Mute point. Also each family would be split on which restraint to go to. Scotland in this case voted 62% to Remain of those who voted. And 42% voted Remain of those who COULD have voted (due to low turnout) meaning a minority of people who could vote wanted to Remain. Your family argument makes no sense.
Restaurant*
England gives Scotland billions every year the money could be spent in England instead
If Scotland doesn't go first, Northern Ireland will. Hell, even the Welsh independence movement is picking up pace (up form less than 10% to over 30%) the Union is dead, it just doesn't know it yet
Might not be a bad thing. Question is what kind of trade relations they want with England. As the latter insisted in leaving the EU’s single market and customs union to ensure Brexit was not in name only, Scotland and Wales would not be able to trade easily with England if they joined the EU.
We need an English independence movement!
Honestly I don't think it is likely at all that Wales or northern Ireland will leave the UK in our lifetime
"the Union is dead, it just doesn't know it yet" Love this quote
All this means is that a future US president will sign a bilateral trade agreement with just England, instead of a United Kingdom. We should signed one 4 yrs ago.
Have I missed something but i though Finland, Latvia and Estonia are also members of the EU. As a Finn I am bit shocked about the map in 8:32.
They are not real that’s why
@@sean5350 yea, like "belgium" what does that mean
@@televizion9962 - I think I took amoxicillin to get rid of the Belgians. 🤣
Don't worry about it. It was just an oversight. Foreigners often forget that Finland exists.
Moi viten voit
Your EU map is missing at least 3 countries. From Sweden across the Baltic sea there are Finland, Estonia and Latvia. I'm pretty sure they are in EU.
Yeah, they are missing. They are even part of the EMU and use the Euro
They do not exist. Open your eyes!
Edit: Norway is only part of the economic zone, not the EU itself
@@Mutantproduct That's wrong. You mean Norway. Finland is a fully fleshed part of the European Union and even has the Euro.
@@brokkrep yup corrected it thanks
I strongly support Scotland's independence and its admission to the EU. 🏴🏴🏴🇪🇦🇪🇦🇪🇦
What about Northern Ireland joining Ireland?
Eso sería un mal movimiento por parte de españa
Hey Scots I know for a fact most of us Euros would be very happy to have you back :)
Birds of a feather imho. It would be a good fit for you, and a great release for the UK.
@@wildec2 It seems like we have an agreement
@@deliarebaudengo5440 "It seems like we have an agreement" Jesus, someone agreed with me, thats different!
Scotland sould leave the UK and join the EU, we are open for them to enter with open arms!
@@wildec2 dumbest comment ever
"We will never worry about Europe or Scotland again!" _A few years later, it came up again._
David Cameron's referendum caused the UK to fall apart. This enraged his father, who punished him severely.
@@musiclive3635 haha Uk Economy goes splat
@@musiclive3635 Sure , let's have a look at the dead rates , but you gammons don't like to talk to much about THAT !!!
@@musiclive3635 Eu vaccine roll now ahead of the uk lol.
@@musiclive3635 The UK economy has been tanking well before Covid "fool".
The BBC would struggle to have such a balanced report on Scottish Independence.
It's not that balanced TLDR and A Different bias both have a bit of a misunderstanding regarding indy
I mean yeah, it's hard to do without censorship or propaganda.
@@elliotwilliams7421 In what way?
@@kelvinfaulkner3183 Phil continually calls indy supporters separatists. Most of this video is based on scotland copying Westminster spending habits when independent. An unbiased video would show how London has neglected scotland for centuries. TLDR and Phil come across as though they oppose indy and thee only time scotland comes into their discussions is regarding indy, brexit or pmqs. English politics is UK politics, but Scottish politics is Scottish politics. It's bred so deep into them they can't see it though and think scotland should get back to supporting labour and just be happy with what england wants. Both channels prioritize england over the UK but they use the UK to push their agenda as england is a conservative country, so Phil and TLDR are the minority and they need scotland to vote red to help england at scotlands expense
@Z Z eh
Britain: *votes to leave EU* Cameron: wait, you weren't supposed to do that!
That prick was the one who decided to have a referendum
@@hueyfreeman1983 Everyone forgets that a referendum is not legally binding. In fact, that is why it is called a referendum, and not a vote… Just because Cameron said that he would stand by the result, did not mean it had to be implemented. I mean, he lost a great deal more face through the vote/referendum coming out the way it did, and if he had chosen to ignore the votes result. After all, you only needed 2% of whoever voted to vote the other way and you have a 50-50. And if more people voted, particularly the ones who assumed the vote would be to stay, it would be somewhat like the Scottish referendum is likely to be if there is an Indyref2…
@@bobphillips2188 Without the millions of pounds of our money spent on project fear and the entire media and every celeb (even other heads of state - Remember Obama?) telling us that Brexit would be a disaster - would the vote really have been 52/48 if people were left alone to make their own choice? I suspect it would have been more like 60/40 in Brexit's favour. Of course we still got a version of Brexit in name only and the political elite have dragged their feet ever since not going out of their way to press home the slender advantages this version of Brexit gave us.
@@LondonSteveLee 1) But, the Boris bus promise of £350,000,000 A WEEK for the NHS?! What has happened to that? 2) There was about an equal amount of money - also our money - spent on persuading us brexit was a good idea. 3) Had there been more time before the vote - which as you know was not binding, referenda never are, that's why they are called referenda/ums and not votes, even on the say so of a limp piece of crap, sorry, Cameron, who's word was never legally binding, but hey, let's forget about that - for Boris's £350M lie to be revealed, plus the many other ways in which the UK would somehow get richer without European involvement which were also basically lies, or at best, untruths. 4) Your suggestion that the 'vote' would have gone 60/40 in brexit's favour would have been based almost entirely on ignorance, and the other kind of fear, the one propagated by the racist people who don't like to hear 'foreign' accents or languages of other nationalities (like the ones half the UK population are derived from) You seem to think the brexit now enacted is not nearly 'Brexit' enough, while many, many people now see the mess we're in because 15-20% of truck drivers (don't forget, Brits could have had those jobs, but where were they, and where are they now we need them ffs?) have gone home, likewise veg and fruit pickers (the final count of how many millions of tonnes of food will have been buried in the ground is not yet in), and where are all the Brits who should be flooding the job vacancies? I wonder how many of those who ought to be filling such roles voted to leave... In any case, all this ding-dong 'I'm right' 'No, I'm right' gets us nowhere, yet more divisive ping-ping. All things considered, if everyone in the UK (as is) is going to get on, and share the country in relative harmony, all this he said she said stuff has to stop. If no one on these forums is actually going to listen, and even modify their own views, it is all more than a tad pointless. Choosing to ignore corruption in the Tory Party won't do, and cherry picking stats and other numbers likewise. That's me done, I will sit back and await the vitriol of dissenters (-:)~
@@bobphillips2188 The bus figure was ALREADY exceeded BEFORE Brexit (in name only) was finally done and before covid was unleashed - a standard lie of the left to suggest otherwise - NHS funding was at record levels before covid. As for the strawman racist blah blah crap -I won't dignify that with a response.
Scotland’s biggest problem will be the border with England like NI. However EU will have more trust with Scotland government compared with Boris&co so they will be more flexible.
You mean BoJo&Co? 😜
thats fixable in due time look at the other EU countries like Portugal, Spain, France and Germany
It is hard to imagine Scotland securing its land border with England in line with Schengen rules. The imagery of any kind of barrier or security fence/zone being erected across those rolling green hills will almost certain cause many across Britain to feel queasy.
Hahahahahaha - a country that hates the EU so much that 40% voted to leave the EU altogether? yeah, mate, the EU are gonna love you...
I'd rather have a war on Scotland than having to tolerate them! Jeez, have you heard them talk? It is disgusting!
There's a 4 year old meme: Scotland stayed in the UK because it didn't want to leave the EU.
“But the uk left anyway”
Literally the only reason I voted remain in the original referendum.
@@DUCKDUDE4100 But you did know that there was going to be a referendum on leaving the EU.
You can blame the dishonest Remainiacs for that if you fell for it... The Remainiacs are the reason Brexit was pushed over the finish line to finally give us freedom from a democratic union we did not get a vote on joining.... Funny how those Pro-EU pees like Hesseltine were making a killing off EU green energy subsidies, all the while voting against Brexit at every opportunity. Don't be dumb... "our friends in the EU" = money for our elitist betters.
Haha ye. Pure fantasy
One of the more balanced views I've seen of Scottish independence. I'm pro independence at heart but always struggled a little with the economic side of the argument - many parallels exist with the pro Brexit argument, even though both sides are likely to refuse to admit it. This video is the closest I've seen to the discussion going on in my own head - well done guys.
The Tories will run project fear to the max. They own msm including the BBC. Will it be Scotland the brave? You'd be fools to stick around for the Tory austerity drive Beginning bigtime in 2023, after an early election.
I agree, it was very well handled. I think Scotland will become independent, but the economic factor is the biggest detterent.
@@Emsworth377 It wont
I was once told by a Scot that the economic argument against independence is a straw man argument. On the books it seems as Scotland wouldn't do well on its own, as the Scottish exports run through English ports. Also, the fresh water reserves, oil reserves and sustainable energy generation in Scotland are all very positive, and would indicate Scotland would do very well within the EU, creating a border between Scotland and England.
The economic arguments against indipendence are mostly identical to those made against Irish indipendence 100 years ago. We should build on past experience and past debates. We have the benefit of hindsight.
You have completely missed the fact that an Indy Scotland could join the Nordic Alliance group (Already voted on in principle and in place by there members) This would get Scotland into The common market if not into the EU as full members. Also there is an argument that much of the trade with the rest of the UK is not clear if it is final user trading of is then traded as UK products with the rest of the world. Looking at the date this vidio was realised this second point may have come too light in the past few months with uk trade bottoming out due to less trade leaving the uk in general and component parts of from Scotland in uk products no longer being needed.
EFTA (rather than EU) membership might be a better arrangement for an independent Scotland, at least initially.
I just love your videos! I'm Scottish and have my own opinions on this issue, which won't name as I have no desire to argue it in KZhead comments. However, it is so refreshing to see such a balanced summary of the issues involved. In politics there are often positives and negatives to every option, and different people have different priorities, needs and identities that shift their view. In a media landscape the emphasises drama and conflict you calmly and succinctly explain the issue and the arguments from both sides. You don't just educate people on a particular issue, you help them understand the views of those who might not share their opinion. I hope you and your team feel really proud of what you do! If every media outlet shared your ethos and integrity this world be an easier place to live in.
The world doesn’t work that way Gordon. We need DRAMA to feel alive and you are giving us the best show ever. 🤣😏 Watching you leaving the EU to get a better life and now seeing you becoming a mess. It is so amusing! 🙂 Riots in NI, Scotland getting anxious to leave the UK... a dysfunctional family! Can’t wait for more! 🙂
@@MusicLusber dude, its peoples lifes that are being fucked up right there, I personally always found brexit to be a very sad occurence, as I hoped the EU could be the first step towards a star Trek future haha
@@teergeret : What I can’t understand is why haven’t the unicorns 🦄 come out in public since Brexit was finalised. I mean, I thought, I was told, we were promised.......
@@Driver2616 ilr right, weve been tricked
@@MusicLusber Bruh stfu you have a playlist literaly named Gay 😂 L
Thanks for a good video! You missed Latvia, Estonia and Finland on the map of the EU.
Well bigger off , your country is only in it for money .
@@Meadows-tg3tv man shut up
@@Meadows-tg3tv How would you know?
@@Conservator. read the treaty’s of the passed ? I’m mean read them not say you’ve read them or say you have by saying it Look at all the minutes talking also look at the agenda before the treaty and everything added , then make i rational reply not a unsubstantiated reply with know continuity. Remember I’m very good at being sergeant no excuses I only deal in facts. The pound Sterling is a valuable currency. To be handed over and spent with No accountability, so come back when you know what you’re talking about.
@@Meadows-tg3tv My question was how would YOU know, not how I would know but I appreciate your effort. Before discussing treaties, you should know which country 3 Walking Poles - Seb is from. That would help searching the right treaties. What country did you have in mind?
As Portuguese, the answer for the title is: i hope so. Scotland you are welcome!
As a Scot I hope not, we’re pretty weak country in terms of defence and with Russia threatening our air space that’s scary and also the likely weakened economy. It seems like there’s too pretty big risks involved for the possible chance of have a little bit more freedom
@@FFContent you have more nations backing you if a foreign nation invades your air space or whatever space you can think of.
@@FFContent As a Scot I agree
@@TheRanguna The EU are wimps to Russia they don't want to piss the big man off, because russia controls Germanys gas's and energy, so basically the EU that listens to Germany won't help Scottland.
@@TheRanguna but we wouldn’t have the support from the country that literally right next to us and one that already has a big amount of naval and air power
You left out the course that will most likely occur with Scotland joining the efta alongside Norway in the short-term and then have a national referendum on joining the EU as a full member later
That too
Seems like Latvia, Estonia and Finland are not in the EU anymore.
What?
@@ZARRKK He refers to the map at 0:38
The funniest thing is that they do this mistake, not for the first time.
A subtle prediction?
Well currently neither are Liechtenstein, Albania, the United Kingdom, Turkey, Switzerland, Iceland, Macedonia, Norway or Montenegro members of the EU with many other members not even part of the single currency, like Sweden, Denmark, Poland Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia, Austria and Romania who use their own currency and dont take orders from the European Central Bank.
Great job! But.. why aren’t Latvia, Estonia and Finland in blue on your map? When did they vote to leave? 😉
Yes thats why i put dislike
…they sold off their office’s ‘excess’ blue paint too early 😄
When did they vote to join ?
@@simapark Finland 1995 Lativa 2003 Estonia 2003 also
They're second class members
Independence is inevitable. And I can’t wait.
normally i would agree re the referendum being held "once in a lifetime" but brexit completely changed the game, and Boris knows that.
Brexit didn't change the game-it just gave Sturgeon a convenient excuse. That woman would demand an Indyref,if she broke a nail! The UK was the member state of the EU-not Scotland. Scotland is not even a sovereign country.
Referendums shouldnt be held over and over again until the people finally vote for the desired answer. At the same time, maybe whats really needed is a referendum in England, Wales and NI about whether they still want Scotland. It would restore some of my faith in humanity if that vote passed to boot them out.
@@wildec2 Why should we leave our own country,when we voted to stay in the United Kingdom? And why would you want to boot us out? Don't judge the decent majority of Scots,by the minority who want independence.
@@andrewpollock4599 Thats fine in theory; however, I would say that depopulation of pro-UK people from Scotland, with government funding, might help solve the issue once and for all. On the other hand, ultimately what might be best for separatists scots is to be accepted as migrants into the EU...
Scotland needs more people not less it's population is declining
As a German, I have no idea what the better way for Scotland is. I don't live in Scotland and I think they should decide that. I wish them the best of luck and that they make the right decision, no matter which one it is.
There is just one problem. A lot of Scots don't want to leave the UK. I think Scotland will vote to be independent bit then they will realise that such a serious action. For so little like a barely function Economic union. They will realise this and maybe want a re vote. And they will refuse. So then it becomes a Brexit like situation until the police shut all the protests down. The border would be like India and Pakistan. It would not be fun.
@@thesuperintendent4290 The same thing happened with UK Brexit also, a lot of people also voted NOT to leave EU and there were some protests and then everything settled down, the same thing would happened with Scotland too, people who voted against the independence would protest for a bunch of days then they will go back home and that's it.
Im a scotsman and i want independence
I am french, and I agree that it is up to them to decide what to do. And I hope they will do what is best for them. But honestly, European union does not work. Building such an union is a huge mistake. This union did bring us more corruption and more dictatorship. To me there is only 2 working way: - We build one and only one country, like USA. And we accept to have only one common president, same welfare system in all the union, .... Rich country will have to send indirectly money to poor country. (like we do from Paris to Saint etienne in France, or from Munich to Gelsenkirchen in Germany). This is something I would agree. We would also need more democracy. In this condition, if Scotland want to join, it would be good for them. But ... to me, if UK did the brexit, it was because our union was bad. If one day we build something better, UK may be back. - If we are more realist, we would understand that building one country is impossible ... because our countries are all selfish. In this case, it is better to do what the UK did: brexit (frexit, italeave, deutschexit, ...).
@@derk486 But if you want independence from UK, and if you want to joint European union, you will not be independent ... Bruxelles will decide for you. I may be wrong, and I know that lots of people wont agree with me, but I think the european union bring more poverty and less democracy to most country.. Let give me an example. In this union, most of us have the euro currency, right ? In France where I live, we had the franc currency. In France we have more official than Germany (I dont know if it is the correct english word. But they are people paid buy french government, like nurse in public hospital, teachers, policeman, but also lots of maybe usless people working in desk). So because we have more official, France need more taxes to cover that. So french company are disadvantaged against German company. Before the euro currency, France was increasing the inflation to cover this expense. This is why germany had a stronger currency than us. But at that time, we also had strong company. Today we cannot do that: the only way is austerity. The issue is that people dont agree. We should have told french people to choose: they want euro currency and accept austerity OR they do frexit and accept inflation. They will never say that to people. And politician will always promise the impossible like salary increase, more official in hospital, but if they are elected, they wont do it. This is the same issue in Spain or Italy for example. This is why this system bring us more poverty. And about democracy ? It is simple: we have to obey to bruxelles. That means you have no freedom. You want more nurse in hospital ? But other countries wont accept that. (because we share the same currency, and what we do have consequences in the common currency).
Your EU graphic (map) is missing a few EU countries ;) Including Lithuania, but not Latvia, Estonia or Finland :D
@@steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee That's what he said
Dislike this video becose of it.
These countries should never have been able to join the EU. EU enlargement to include poor Eastern European countries is the main reason the UK left.
@@summerrr1 Finland is preaty rich. And Finland is absolutly not eastern Europe.
It's very poor of them. If they are a supposed source of information, surely they should get the basics right?
Only 2.5 million people voted in the eu referendum in Scotland. Over a million of them voted to LEAVE! saying scotland voted to remain is like saying the uk voted to leave. Its untrue. Many Scottish want FULL independence. Not to swap one foreign government for another.
Someone tell Boris the only reason Scotland was still in the UK was to stay in the EU.
Rubbish that referendum was lost on the inability of the SNP to tell voters what currency they would be using.
@@kethughes8266 OK, I'm pro-independence, but surely that's not the _only_ reason those who voted remain had.
@@didimaggie7526 I never claimed it was I said it was lost for that reason.That independence would mean leaving the EU the SNP could do nothing about (which makes their recent conversion to membership all the more touching).That they failed to have a plan B on the currency issue when the UK government made the obvious move of refusing the use of the pound was just plain incompetent and cost them the 6/7 % they needed.
Dunno whether UK or EU is best for Scotland, but I do feel like a lot of the population were tricked in the last independence referendum with the "leaving UK == leaving EU" thing.
The EU membership was for the UK as a whole not four constituent countries so it was true at the time leaving UK did equate to leaving EU for certain Just that staying was never guarantee to remain in the EU
@@vinniechan Technically the remain in UK campaign did promise just that. But nvm There was also the underlying threat that England would Veto Scotland's application to join the EU.
It's not about being good or bad it's about being treated on equal footing and not like a lost child as it's being currently treated and has been by the westminster
@@vinniechan it was promised by the remain UK campaign that the UK wouldn't leave the EU so I'd definitely suggest a new referendum is needed due to this promise being broken, especially if the SNP get a majority in the parlement
@@vinniechan the EU membership was for the whole of the UK yes but Scotland had representation in the EU as we had 6 MEPs, Wales had 4, Northern Ireland had 3 and England had 60. The EU MEPs were divided up to represent each part of the UK. In an Independent Scotland that is a member of the EU Scotland would have more seats, I think we would have about 14 seats.
It would be easier to leave the UK than leave Britain I imagine.
Just replace Hadrians wall with Hadrians very deep moat :)
The export to England may not be effected that hard since England barely control what's coming in. Scotland would have to put up bordercontrol to England though, so import from England may take a hit. Probably not worth it, but it would be nice to see an independant study on the pro's and cons
It’s less about goods and more about people. Due to the EUs free movement of people, the border would have to be a hard one to police who’s coming into the UK from Scotland
The EU wont allow Scottish exports to England without tariffs. And yes there will be a hard border.
I have lived in Scotland my whole life and I want independence and have only visited 36 countries
What's wrong with the uk??
Everything
"How many human rights abuses are you aware of Scotland making?" Have you ever watched the SPL?
Or listened to Sturgeon and her glove puppet Harvie
I've always been annoyed at that kind of thinking. Scotland was as much a participant of colonialism and the misdeeds that went along with it but they always have the rest of Britain to blame for it.
@@BingleFlimp ah yes, because 2021 Scotland is to blame for the actions of the 1700s British Empire..... Get over yourself.
@@henryhunter9643 They're as much to blame as England. There's a staggering amount of Scottish people that act like they were dragged kicking and screaming into imperialism. They've benefited from and participated in the empire just as much as any other nation in the UK.
@@BingleFlimp Yawn. You probably think that black people alive today in the west should be paid money as 'reparations' for the slave trade. The sins of the father should not be forced upon the sons.
Why isn't Latvia and Estonia in the EU according to your map at 0:32? also finland lol.
Also, there are only twelve stars, rather than twenty-seven.
And Macedonia. Also San Marino is technically shown as part of the EU, despite not being so.
@@scifino1 the flag of Europe is supposed to have 12 stars, not one for each member of the EU.
@@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc It's North Macedonia now.
@@FirstNameLastName-tg3rc Macedonia is in the EU unless you are referring to North Macedonia.
On your maps of the European Union you forgot to include Finland, Estonia and Latvia. Please correct this as soon as possible.
Yeah, I don't know where get their maps but they need to up their game. Isn't the first time
The “once in a lifetime” comment was followed by “unless there is a substantial change” for Scottish people. Many MPs claimed at the time that Scots would be forced out of the EU and wouldn’t have EU currency as a way to compel Scots to vote remain. After the brexit vote a lot of Scots were understandably angry because they felt duped by the politicians false promises of a secured EU membership
The UK voted to leave the eu . once in a generation vote only no one agreed to if there is a change. scotland is in the uk The UK voted to leave the corrupt eu end of story. scotland cannot afford to leave the UK and the scotland cannot join the eu without the UK so your point is floored. you have been schooled.
@@jonathanhammerton9418 lol the comment “once in a generation” and the condition “unless substantive change” were made by the same politician. There was no “agreement” to either statement because it wasn’t a proposal… but part of a campaign speech on the importance of the vote. The “once in a generation” quote is now used by opposition to justify turning down additional votes but it was never a legally binding statement. You can’t school anyone if you don’t know what you’re talking about 😂
@@NOVARIS No there was no condition of 'if there was a change' there was only one condition and that was it was a once in a generation vote. end of story you lose bye bye
@@jonathanhammerton9418 neither were conditions 🤣 they were statements of intention. Just like when Scots were told they would definitely stay in EU during Scottish referendum, that wasn’t a condition either but a statement. It doesn’t have any legal standing.
@@jonathanhammerton9418 just out of curiosity do you even live in Scotland? From what I can gather you don’t seem to understand why SNP is popular or what the some of the major political and social differences between England and Scotland are. Part of the issue for Scottish people is that even if the majority vote for a party it doesn’t affect who the PM is ultimately because of population differences.
"Everyone else is wrong on European membership apart from you" You're Goddamn Right
I'd never seen that clip before I'm impressed she was so scarily right tbh
Well, she was actually completely wrong... partly, this clip somewhat misrepresents what she was claiming. Yes, she did talk about Scotland being taken out of the EU against their will but she also tried to claim that Scotland would retain EU membership if the left UK.
@@LudvigIndestrucable What do you mean? If Scotland left when the UK was still a member. Then of course it would be easier for them to retain EU membership. That's obvious.
@@Xii371 not necessarily, they would have left the EU when they left UK and would have had to reapply as a newly independent nation. Spain is not the only country in the EU with a vested interest in not allowing newly independent nations to join. It may well have been very difficult for them.
@@MrMGN666 No one in the EU wouldn't want Scotland to join. Stop spreading disinformation. I'm in Ireland and we'd love to see them in. It makes no sense for them to not be a member.
Spain has confirmed it won't veto an independent Scotland.
Thats nice of them, they're slowly opening their minds
Spain would veto Scotland joining the EU if they held a referendum without the approval of Westminster.
@@Arrtyom15 Every EU country would do that.
Only if it’s an officially sanctioned referendum though, we’re unlikely to get another one soon
@@gentlemoa9859 They never said they would veto them, it is a lie Brexit supporters said. The Spanish foreign minister confirmed long ago that Spain would welcome Scotland into EU.
Your map of the EU is missing Finland, Estonia and Latvia, just saying.
Who? Never hear those countries just the lovely Finland (jk)
The Baltics need more love. It's a shame they're often overlooked.
And the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland should be between Northern Ireland and England per the Northern Ireland Protocol.
That's the EU's borders according to Putin. He says the Baltic states should be in a partnership with Russia, not with Germany and France.
the Scottish referendum should occur because the rules of the game were changed by Brexit....
Any yet it was abundantly clear a Brexit referendum was coming at the time of the Scottish Independence referendum.
Spain has already said they wouldn't veto scotlands entry to the UK as long as the referendum is legitimate
I read an article from jan 2021 that they would veto. There are conflicting reports.
Not just the spanish claiming veto, dainish and dutch, polish and hungarians have all said they would, none of the strong economies of the EU want scotland as it would just be another defecit nation their country has to pay for, poland and hungary are on pretty good terms with England and would veto it if Westminster told them to
Bradders - Most of them are receiving money rather than donating it so it’s unlikely to change anything, and why would Westminster wants to veto the Scottish membership in the UE while they could directly argue in the Scottish leaving the uk ?
@@Colk13 yes most of them recieve money but the few who dont arent going to want another begger forcing them to pay out more money.
When does a referendum become legitimate? When Boris (or some other Tory) decide to put it to the Westminster Parliament, which would probably vote for it. BUT its Boris who decides.. He is not keen on parliament anyway, so would not put it there for a vote. To me, the brexit vote was illegitimate amyway, as only a minority of the electorate voted for it.
5:00 this has to be one of the most ironic elements of UK politics.
I know right? Instead of leaving the UK could have used it s position to influence EU politics.
@@Somajsibere reform is always better than revolution
@@Jay_Johnson Absolutely
@@Jay_Johnson I don't agree with that statement, since a revolution could also just be a swift large reform.
@@Somajsibere tried that. Didn't work
I am still extremely surprised that nobody in the media called out the hypocrisy of the "if Scotland becomes independent, they will be out of the EU" argument, by the people who were setting up a referendum to leave the EU...
Politically it is convenient for Scotland to leave the UK, however economically it's not convenient in the slightest, Scotland would very likely collapse economically and not even be able to join the EU.
This isn't talked about enough. The current budget of the Scottish Parliament is only possible due to subsidies granted by Westminster.
@@ddandymann That makes it worse for Scotland, lets make a new slogan for the Scottish independence movement, Scotland to bankruptcy together 👊🤙🤙🤟🤟
Scotland would initially join EFTA and later have a referendum on joining EU.
From an EFTA perspective.. (Okay, norwegian ☺) Meh. .. Scotland alone, possibly . the UK? Never. (and. EFTA isn't looking for members, and is basically more EU compliant than the UK has ever been. No vote generally means yes. To schengen f.ex.) I think a direct reconnect with the EU more likely.. But.. I obviously think the UK looks like it could break apart. And I have the impression that Scotland would do well to vote again.. There are more options though.. like a third kind of collaboration. With the Nordic countries, which is a parallel thing to EFTA..
Gordon, stuff the red tape. You and Ireland go EU 100 M.P.H. Just do it.
That's what I was thinking as well. Since they already meet the requirements, they could be admitted to the EFTA and thus rejoin the single market very rapidly, while they work out whether they want full EU membership again, and if so, while they go through the lengthy accession process.
@Billy Bunter Scotland has a trade deficit with rUK, so the rUK would be cutting it's nose off to spite it's face by making trade difficult post Scottish indy. Plus, I thought England wanted to go global and trade with the world, it wouldn't exactly be a great advertisement for rUK if they couldn't even manage to do a trade deal with their nearest and dearest neighbour now, would it?
@@SH-lm6ek To be honest, Scotland may not even have a choice. The EU would demand a hard border. Despite how nice Scotland the UK would like to play. Plus, once that happens, it would frustrate efforts to raise the massive 11% drop in total Scottish gov funding which they get as a grant from the British Gov as per the Barnett Formula which Scotland would not be privy to anymore. The EU would have Scotland by the short n curlies!
The primary difference between Scotland leaving the UK and the UK leaving the EU is that England didn’t have to ask permission to leave the EU, whereas Scotland (ALLEGEDLY) has to ask permission from the UK (i.e. English) government just to have a referendum to decide if they can leave the UK. Is that a voluntary union or is Scotland just a vassal state of the English/UK state?
Why would anyone want to be a vassal of Englandshire and the Home Counties?
@@diegoarmando5489 For the gibs, mostly.
Is Scotland just a vassal state of the English/UK state? It will be vassal state of the EU though.
It is not a question of could, but more a question of when. 🏴🇪🇺🏴🇪🇺
Next year let's just hope🏴🇪🇺
@@yiro6577 Yeah good luck lads, best to escape the current tory mess that's just happened recently....
I don’t know what I’d like more. To see the EU get back at the UK for Brexit by welcoming Scotland because nationalism is stupid. Or to see Scotland seceding from the UK and failing to join the EU because nationalism is stupid.
I’m a bit confused. Scotland’s rulers - The Scottish National Party - are more nationalist than the U.K. Government. So by your reckoning Scotland’s desire for independence is stupid. Okay.
video forgot to say since Greece the eu has made a debt per capita standard. and the Scottish upon independence the scots will have too much to join
LOL.
How many times are you going to use that map of the EU which doesn't list Finland, Estonia or Latvia as a part of the EU? It's probably been a year since I last commented about it.
To make the video easier to understand we chose to zoom in on the section which was most relevant- in this case Scotland. We weren't deliberately cutting anyone out, we were just focusing on Scotland and thus it was easiest to illustrate the countries closest to Scotland rather than zooming out and making the whole image smaller & less clear! Also if we were trying to get the whole EU in we'd also have to include French Guiana, and I think we can all agree that zooming out enough to include South America might make the details we need to show a little less clear - Jack
It should probably include the EEA countries in a lighter blue as well, because they have freedom of movement and single market access.
@@TLDRnews I'm not talking about zooming in to the picture, I'm talking about what parts of the visible map are colored to mean that they're a part of the EU. Look at 0:33.
@@TLDRnews you can just show French Guiana instead of showing the entire South America
@@TLDRnews I think you are missing the point, at 7:39 estonia, latvia and finland are all visible but not blue.
I would buy your stuff but I don't want to pay import taxes in the EU 😅
@@ninjascotsman good for you?
@@ninjascotsman then why you voted for brexit?
As of England is a self sufficient country. You are already paying taxes without knowing.
@@edmundc4443 Scotland as a whole voted against brexit lol
@@ev.c6 what do you mean?
I’d rather Scotland be apart of the EU over this union every time.
In the west of Scotland it’s a football vote,The Rangers fans want to remain in the union and the rest of the sane world wants to leave the union..
Scots were lied to in their original referendum, cant blame them for wanting to leave the union after being lied to. Also the irony of essentially, England, claiming how they need to leave the European *union* but Scots must remain part of this *union* is astounding.
There are two sides to that coin though, the SNP playing up nationalism and independence in the runup to the referendum in 2014 in order to try to leave the union only to then turn around and decry nationalism and stress unity in the EU referendum. There are inconsistencies, hypocrisies and biases on all sides. Personally I favoured unity in both cases.
@@rvfharrier There is a big difference between the civic nationalism of the SNP, and the ethnic nationalism driving Brexit and current Tory policies
The islands (Shetland etc) have said that in the event of Scotland leaving the union they would want independence but the SNP have said no so there inconsistencies everywhere.
@@Cybonator Nationalism is nationalism, the narrative used in 2014 that Scotland is a repressed country having its freedoms stifled and dictated by a larger power was almost a mirror image of that pushed by those advocating for Brexit. As someone who voted Remain and is a unionist, I see Brexit and the Scottish independence movement having a lot in common with one another.
@@rvfharrier Agreed. So many of the points being made are similar in both Brexit and Scottish independence, but of course, supporters of either will claim the other is worse and *their* nationalism is okay.
11:04 wait.. why did you have Scotland say "Britain is chill with us".. Scotland would still be British, just not apart of the political union of United Kingdom. This island is Great Britain. Scots, Welsh, English will always have that shared. Stop mixing up Britain with UK.
Well, while you're correct that British would be the correct term for someone indentifying themselves as from the british isles, it does refer to the UK, due to the existance of the british commonwealth and because England is the main one pushing for unity for over 400 years, British is often more associated with the English than Scots, Welsh or the Irish Technically British as an adjective doesn't even refers to Great Britain as the islands, just to the United Kingdom as an entity (Which is ruled by an english queen...You get it) British never referred to the islands, it originally referred to Brettisc or the old Britons, then to the UK and so on, dictionaries acknowledge it and so does its people
@@francogamer7794 but what about northern Ireland who aren't British? The full name is the United kingdom of great Britain and Northern island. The UK isnt necessarily 'british' but because Northern Ireland is only one of 4 countries, they're usually forgotten about In that context and people just say UK and GB as the same thing. Even in our UK Olympic team we say Team GB which is very confusing for us and everyone else. I think it was a mistake clumping in 'british' with UK, We have identity issues that's for sure, even when it comes to professional events, but truly and naturally, despite whatever is associated with what, the 3 countries of great Britain will always be British countries. The same way, we will always be European even though we've left the EU.
@@MyNameIsOpTimized720 No, I get it, I'm just saying that both are valid ways to refer to something, just because British refers to the UK doesn't means it is limited to that
@@MyNameIsOpTimized720 Here in Northern Ireland, we “identify” as British, it’s far easier than saying “UK citizen” or something. Plus we got British passports, the exact same as any other country in Britain.
I live in London, and Scottish people are the only people I have met that will do everything for their country except live in it.
Get a new joke, this one is over done
@@moarhappy7675 it isnt a joke. It’s literally true. Ive met hundreds of Scottish people living in London, dying for independence, hating England yet……..living in London. Irish friends of mine are not the same, Spanish and other EU nationals are not the same - they all at least have things good to say and enjoy it. Only the Scottish both absolutely hate England, absolutely pine for independence yet wont live there. Mind blowing.
True
Spain has already confirmed that they won't veto Scotland. Honestly, Scottland might just want to join EFTA and sign a trade agreement with the UK
Means will scot get freedom??
@@anilgowdam112 well maybe. Its basically a 50/50 split at this point.
Remember, Scotland does 60% of it's business with the UK, but only 19% before Brexit. So which is most important. That's right, Sturgeon getting on the EU gravy train!!!
So here is my idea coming from a 19 yr old Northern Englishman, its not complete and wont address everything just want to see what people think. Instead of the whole of the UK voting for issues such as Brexit each country should vote independent of one another. So there’ll be an Irish vote, a Scottish vote, an English vote and a welsh vote. Now for a major change to go through you need 3/4 of the countries in the union to agree, no matter how the individual votes in the countries stack up. The PM could call this ‘an emergency vote’ or something and only held for wide sweeping changes for the UK. Another thing that could be done is a conference/meeting between the 4 countries first ministers and the PM (you could change this so there’s 3 first ministers and the PM is he/she comes from a different country every time). This ‘meeting’ could take place every couple months or even as few as half a year where basically they talk about issues within each country and how they would address it as a collective. This, while may not doing much in the grand scheme of things, could help public perception that the leaders of each nation of the union know the major issues for their brother and sisters are facing. As i said this is just an idea I’ve had and wanted to see how random people think of it. I love my country and to see it on the verge of collapse is heartbreaking.
I like that idea. Sadly it's very late in the day for England to remodel the union in that kind of democracy as they think as if we are one country and Wales, N. Ireland and Scotland are merely counties within it. That means England always trumps all decision just just to numbers, power. The existing model of union has run its course. Can it change or is divorce inevitable?
It would be highly unpopular due to the population size difference however, if England was split into devolved regions then the UK parliament could become some kind of Senate representative of the other Countries and of the Regions of England. If we do that then they (the senate) would only have sovereignty over things usually given to federal governments so defence and foreign affairs and a few other odd bits, we could also say that any vote would be required to gain 75% of the votes to succeed which would force the English regions to get at least one of the other countries on their side if they all voted the same way for a vote to pass; alternatively while keeping the threshold for a successful vote at 75% we could reduce the number of regions of England by two which would force the English regions to make an agreement with two of the other countries to win a vote.
You're talking about a modern federal system such as Australia where for a referendum to pass there must be a majority vote in a majority of states. But the UK is a feudal country with an unelected head of state an unelected house of review and (at present) an unelected PM, I think it's probably best it collapses.
@@SirAntoniousBlock Australia also has an unelected, *impartial* head of state as we *share* one and a reform of the House of Lords has been advocated for years. Although it is not actually entirely unelected but rather has a very limited amount of candidates elected by the house.
@@danielsullivan598 Scotland ENGLAND border should move SOUTH to River Tees ~ River Kent !!!
5:40 omg knowing what happened with Brexit that debate clip is so funny 🤣
Ehh. As a Dutch EU citizen, I don't find it funny, not funny at all. I find it utterly painful to watch and a complete betrayal to the Scottish people. It breaks my heart, that's how painful I find it!
@@MrMickey1987 🧐 who asked?
What is so funny about it? Scotland wanted to stay in the EU. Now they are forced out. It's only natural to accept Scotland in the EU if they leave the UK.
Watching you leaving the EU to get a better life and now seeing you becoming a mess, it is so amusing! 🤭🤭🤭 Riots in the NI, Scotland getting anxious to leave you, and We, from Spain 🇪🇸, having the chance to decide your future... oh my! This is better than a reality show! 🤣🤣🤣 😏
@@MusicLusber I think those riots in Barcelona were a little more extreme? Lol maybe if they threw Sturgeon in prison things might get comparable?
Finland, Estonia and Latvia are part of the EU ! Thanks for correcting your "blue map" 👍
Wow this is the most nuanced explanation of both pros and cons of Scotland leaving the UK I've ever heard. As an outsider looking in I have always been pro Scottish independence, but having heard the border explanation I think the question is not so clear-cut as I had once thought. Excellent work, TLDR news!
The National (a Scottish newspaper) today has an article on the EU assurances that we will be welcomed. The interviewee is yet another EU official who has reiterated earlier statements. Strangely enough, none of these statements have been broadcast or printed in the disUnited Kingdom. And I know they are real events. I have watched von der Leyen and listened to Macron give the same assurances. And they have not been alone. Scots CAN just rejoin the EU. The EU have repeatedly quoted our "unique circumstances" as the criteria for our acceptance. The EU judge 5 years sufficient for our full membership, ie for complete separation. The LSE paper you quoted is discredited. The 60% trade with England includes goods passing to England for onward transmission from English ports. As an aside, Scotland is the only country in the disUnited Kingdom to have a trade surplus for every year records have existed. Even Russia managed to come to an agreement with regard to breaking up the assets and liabilities with countries formerly part of the USSR. Why should it be such an insuperable problem for Scotland? And, for the millionth time, Spain is repeatedly on record stating that there will be no veto. They opine that there is no equivalence between a region holding an illegal ballot, and a country exercising its right to self- determination. While we are on the subject of debt and/or economics let me point out that Scotland's deficit is, in fact, not debt which Scotland has incurred. We cannot borrow. England loads us with proportional debt incurred by them. We pay for the London underground and HS2 and everything else that benefits England, and not us. My second point is that the promise to work toward accepting the euro is just that; a promise. There are countries within the EU who haven't adopted the euro in over a decade. There is no pressure applied to them to do so. My third point is that the Eastern European countries managed to introduce their own currencies within months of becoming independent. Why is Scotland considered so backwards that we can't do the same? I am, frankly, angry with this post of yours. You have displayed all the inherent bias of the English to the Scots. You have not even bothered to do the deep research you would undertake for any post which was not about Scotland. You have lazily regurgitated propaganda. I am deeply disappointed in this slipshod presentation.
I fear this channel is part of the english-propaganda-train. I also fear that independence for Scotland will be very difficult to sell in Scotland because most of the media in Scotland is part of a UK/english-biassed-cartel.
Yes the UKs finances are intertwined, but the idea Scotland would be automatically financially better off on day 1 of independence, is fantasy land. I’m sure Scotland can rejoin the EU but it’s not going to be easy, a lot of Scottish businesses who trade with England & Wales will be fighting their corner. Look at the volatility of those Eastern European currencies, if you’re a pensioner just heading into retirement are you ready for that roller-coaster? At least the Euro gives you some certainty - why is it not more popular with the independence movement?
TFL is independently run - London subsidises the whole of the uk - it has the largest ‘surplus’ - Scotland has a budget deficit of about 8% (2019-2020) as recorded on the official Scot gov website - the surplus is rubbish - had a look and it only counts non-uk exports basically 20% of exports
@@edc1569Nowhere have I said that I expect us to be financially better off on the first day of Independence. I do, however, not expect it to take long. When our central Bank has control of the necessary economic levers we will proceed to stabilise our currency in exactly the same fashion as any other country. Rejoining the EU actually is going to be easy. Because the EU have decided that it will be. Even today we have another article with another EU official confirming how easy it is going to be. (You won't find this reported in the disUnited Kingdom. Nothing which supports Independence is ever reported.) The Eastern European currencies are not Scottish. Standard & Poors has neither rescinded nor downgraded their rating for our independent Scotland. It is AAA. They are preeminent in their field. No Scottish pensioner has anything to fear from Scotland's fiscal stability. Our rating is better than the disUnited Kingdom's. Personally I have no quarrel with the Euro . I would be happy to switch. I haven't been convinced by any arguments not to do so. It is like the monarchy. Cameron and Salmond came to an arrangement whereby Scotland would retain the monarchy. I want a Republic. And am wholly unconvinced by any arguments to the contrary. With Cameron and Salmond gone, I see no reason to hew to this arrangement. What little affection there is for the old queen will not stretch to a successor. Please be assured that Scotland has not been idle since 2014. While the same old arguments against Independence are being trotted out, their refutations are already achieved, under way, or planned in detail for immediate action on the first day of Independence. What surprises me is how very ill informed the majority of objections are. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. No, that opinion is not pertinent if it is based solely on propaganda. The last referendum was 7 years ago. From what I have seen so far, unionists haven't progressed their thinking at all during those years. Scotland has. The EU has. The USA has. Frankly, the whole political global structure has. The one absolute blinder that England played against Scotland the last time has gone. England can't veto Scotland from rejoining the EU. That threat caused a lot of people to simply not vote the last time. Now, that threat is gone. And, as an added bonus, the EU is gleefully supportive of Scotland's reentry. Embracing Scotland is a very civilised way of spitting in England's eye.
@@janpeeters8538 You are correct about the biased media. However, they are an overt menace. The real menace is the covert assault which the Tories will pay for with taxpayers' money. They have bottomless resources to fund their unionist campaign, and a long history of employing 'dark arts' to help them win. I seriously doubt brexit would have occurred without Dominic Cummings et al. Either Independence will win or Independence will lose. The young are massively in favour. Only when the 65+ age bracket is reached do unionists prevail. This the group which, not coincidentally, vote Tory and support the monarchy. I realise the youth vote is notoriously hard to get out. But these young are angry. They want back what brexit has stolen from them. They understand that they have to vote to get their future back. I am not saying they will vote for the rest of their lives. But they will vote in the referendum. Meanwhile, nature is taking her usual course, and the 65+ age group unionists are gradually being displaced by younger, Independence supporting, seniors. The mainstream media, so far, has not come up with anything new. The threat of an English veto is gone. That was their trump card in the last referendum. I am far from complacent. I fear the expertise of the covert subtle persuaders. I understand that the majority of voters aren't enthralled by politics. I know much of the populace is already firmly pro or anti. The efforts of Independence supporters must be aimed at those of no particular loyalty to either the disUnited Kingdom or Independence. What buoys my hopes is that we are so much better prepared for the coming referendum than we were in 2014. The polls showed Independence support at only 20+% last time. With that, and the threat of the veto, we still voted 45%. Now, we have 30+ consecutive polls showing 50% and greater, and brexit. Who knows how many votes that will translate into.
Spain already said they would not veto if Scotland applied to rejoin the EU. We all want Scotland in the EU. The EU will make sure it works. They are a valued member. Just like like UK was.
No, they didn't and the diplomat who said that was fired very shortly after he specifically made those remarks. After that a number of Spanish diplomats said they would veto and the Spanish government made very strong remarks suggesting they would veto.
@@MrSuperbeast3000 no. The Spain veto is an anti-independence myth that has been used to stir up doubt for an independent Scotland. Its been going since 2012. Its a lie.
Spain can allow a Scottish entry to the EU and say it's because they had a fully legal referendum, and then do everything they can to prevent a legal Catalonian referendum. Ultimately sticking the finger to the UK and showing how great and welcoming the EU is is a better move than shutting the door to piss of Catalonia.
@@Xii371 They would veto if Scotland left illegally
@@secularataturkist4674 That won't happen. Scotland can only leave legally. So this is a non issue used to stir up anti independence sentiment. It's a tactic. People need to stop reporting it like it's an actual risk. The EU want Scotland. Of course they do. I'd love to see an independent Scotland gain membership to the EU.
Come here Scotland, the EU misses you!!! :)
As an American, I think Scotland and Northern Ireland would be better off leaving the UK.
"...Everybody else is wrong on the European Union but you..." *Curb your enthusiasm theme*
As an american it's hilarious to hear him say that because over here I'm pretty sure he'd get taken at his word like he gave up lol
And excellent piece of reporting thank you very much
As NI is in the common market, shouldn't Scotland be able to take their wares into EU that way?
If a country is out, it's out. NI has a special status because of historical issues.
@@alexlanyi2329 To clarify, I meant that if Scotland successfully leaves UK and rejoins the EU- NI should be the closest EU ports, due to it's special status (unless, of course that's removed for one reason or another).
@@RannonSi ok yeah, that does make sense.
@@alexlanyi2329 It does on my level of knowledge, if anyone who knew anything about it they'd probably facepalm through their heads! :p
@@RannonSi true so long as the aim is trade with Ireland. If the destination is the continent, shipping via Ireland is not necessarily quicker than to the Netherlands, Germany or Belgium across the North Sea.
Did Scotland vote to stay in the UK so they could remain in the EU? If so, they were screwed.
As a mostly left-leaning country I think a majority of us voted to stay because generally, people are better together, but Brexit completely spat in the face of this idea and so now re-joining the EU would be much better. Also Westminster don't really care about what Scotland thinks politically
The Scots who want to secede from the UK are just puppets of the SNP leader, the lewd lewd Nicola Sturgeon.
@@JoeSchmoHere Do not dream that there will be no accession to the European Union because there are many countries that will use the veto in order to prevent Scotland from joining, especially Spain, and there are other conditions that are not available in Scotland, and therefore Scotland's accession to the European Union will not happen, not in the short or long term
No they voted to stay in the UK. Period.
if you think uk spat in your farce quit frankly your going to drown in the siliva of 27 nations in the eu as they all spit on your face.
Another question is If Scotland left would there be a break up of Scotland? Already we've had the Shetlands talking about a break away and I'm sure they wouldn't be the last. Around half the population would not want this and that would cause huge disruption. Another Northern Ireland type situation?
I doubt it would get violent, but the SNP would have a hard time justifying blocking Orkney/Shetland separatism if they themselves want to separate from rUK
Apparently those who vote(d) NO would have to just accept things. You know, the way the Yes voters did last time.
@@kevinmould6979 You mean, in that 'once in a generation' vote?😂😂
I love how you put England as 'surprise' and Wales as 'dismay'.
Yeah because TLDR are totally an unbiased source.
@@sionsmedia8249 to be fair, that probably would be the response
@@sionsmedia8249 Well, the English are doing their best to fuck everything up and completely disregard all the other member states
@@Snarfindorf I would normally agree with you regarding English attitudes to other member counties of the UK, however, in regards to Brexit, the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. The only thing that's happening there is that they're honoring the referendum. Allowing the referendum NOT to go through because the minority of the UK (even if that minority included the majority of Scotland) voted to remain in the EU, would be undemocratic.
@@davidg2708 NI and Scotland never voted for it.
In my opinion, Spain would veto Scotland joining to discourage separatism in Spain, particularly Catalonia and the Basque Country
@Raa Hiissdd dass Spanish EU officials =//= Spanish people and goverment.
Build a Celtic union. Scotland, Ireland, Wales.
+ Brittany, Cornwall and the Isle of Man.
Hey mapmaker at TLDRnews, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland are in the EU and use the Euro. Why are they not properly marked as EU in 2:05?
They are important.
pls do a photo of a finnish euro coin and share the upload link xD
TLDR is confirmed russian shill!!
@@BlockchainGenius Finland doesn't exist, its a conspiracy.
You’re incorrect about Scotland following all EU laws since being a part of it. The UK has followed the economic guidelines but Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not meet the maximum budget deficit guidelines. To do this the SNP would have to carry out an aggressive austerity campaign. You know, the thing they’ve been attacking the Tories about for the past decade...
Budget deficit is in large part because of all the money they send to England though. After they separate that money would be theirs.
@@Barney1051 You take £81 billion in public spending form England and all the tax you pay to england is £66 billion. So you are getting £15 billion from England. So you would lose an estimated 10% of your GDP and that's not even including the loss of investment from English businesses and trade and lets not forget that north sea oil is not gonna be as profitable when it either runs out or decrease in demand and therefore value drops due to increasing use of renewable energy. I get if you want to leave for more autonomy but it will come at the cost of your economy.
@@oj3458 yeah that's not the way they pay England though. Scotland pays a shitload of money in interest on UK debt, that they didn't take out or profit from.
@@Barney1051 yes that is true but only because of the north sea oil which is gonna run out in ten years according to scientists. Brexit took six years and Scottish independence wont be easy to sort out so by the time you leave that oil will be gone and if you would have stayed you would be gaining money from staying in the uk.
@@oj3458 that's speculation (not the oil, but the money earned from being in the UK), having access to the entire EU market is much more valuable than the UK market.
Nice video but your maps are slightly off. Why is only Lithuania shown as part of the EU? The other Baltic states are members as well
One thing a lot of Scottish Nationalists overlook is the difficulty in entering the EU Not only do many key members have their own separatist movements (Italy with Venito, Belgium with Flanders and Wallonia, Spain with the Basque Country and Catalonia in particular) but both France and Germany don’t want to destroy relationships with the UK by supporting indyref as they would be seen as supporting the collapse of the UK. Finally application for the EU has a range of waiting periods, with most taking over three years (even then a lot of current candidates still haven’t joined, for example Turkey and north Macedonia - in both cases as a result of disagreements with current EU members). If by some miracle Scotland does join, this still will not improve the state economically. An infamous point is that Scotland’s main trading partners are rUK with 60% exports going to them, there is a weak counter argument that Scotland can just make new trade deals to make up with it or pin the blame on rUK by suggesting they can still retain deals, both can be disproven easily: the first has been mentioned in a brilliant video by TL;DR news that although making deals with Europe would boost the economy it will never make up for the massive loss, the second that there will no longer be free movement between the UK and Scotland- that is just a fact, Britain has no need for an open border with Scotland as the nation is not disputed nor would free trade ever benefit them whatsoever Essentially like brexit, indyref is just an illogical movement that only serves to wank the national identity disregarding any long/short term downturns economically and diplomatically
Also, as an English person what about my 'rights' to access Scotland which has been my right since 1707? Can I not apply to be a Scottish citizen as well? This cake and eat it thing seems to be OK for EU citizens.
In my opinion the best scenario is a scotland thats part of the uk thats in the eu. But we cant have that so we have too choose which is better; independent and in the eu or part of the uk but not in the eu.
You're forgetting Scotland's debt/deficit. It is way above the allowed levels for the EU and they've learned too many hard lessons with Greece to let a liability such as Scotland back in without severe levels of austerity.
It skipped almost everything that actually matters and focused on current political figures and 'England' .. No doubt why so many Scottish nationalists hear view it as balanced.
Scotland does not do 'austerity', only subsidies.For example if Scotland had the same level of NHS provision as England they will have to close 219 hospitals. Does the EU really want centuries of endless subsidies to Scotland?
We have to give them 12 million every year let them go
" a liability such as Scotland" haha, dont tell the pro-scottish this... However, perhaps the EU would grant Scotland a transition plan, as it was part of the EU already... If the UK pretended to be outraged it might smooth the deal a bit as well, as nothing would make Brussels happier than rankling the poms.
A large part of the deficit is because of the money they send to England though
I was dead against Scotland becoming independent in 2014. However the arguments I used then to maintain the union have largely been destroyed by the BrexiTraitors so therefore would now support independence if I lived there.
Ireland is sitting pretty but hey let's repeat the doom and gloom of the English press because that wouldn't be biased at all
@B The UK just achieved economic suicide themselves by your logic...or would you argue that the UK can survive without the EU as it's largest trading partner? Seriously, you can't have it both ways. Yes, Scotland's economy will look different, but other nations have successfully build their economies by having control of their affairs. Scotland is a country with a lot of brains and talent. Finance, Services and Tech are all areas they can thrive in, even beyond standard industry.
@@nickmonks9563 Yea you’re right you can’t have it both ways, you’ve just contradicted yourself Why would Scotland cut off its biggest trading partner more than 3 times bigger than anywhere else That would be the rUK
@@DevonMcFarlane Then you actually need to read about Ireland’s economy It a tax haven Ireland’s economic statistics are close to meaningless. In the words on one US economist, they tell us more about the tax affairs of American corporations than they do about the Irish economy. To Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman, it is leprechaun economics.
Three very important words If I lived there
I don’t think Scotland should leave what about their currency and defence, if they left all shipbuilding would move from Scotland leaving many citizens unemployed!
Think logically on this. If Scotland voted for independence why would they join the E.U. they wouldn't have the opt out clauses the u.k. had pre brexit. They would have to accept ALL the E.U.'s laws including those which overrule Scottish law.
Spain and other countries will reject Scotland's accession to the European Union so that Catalonia does not secede from it and rejoin the European Union if the only solution is to remain in the United Kingdom
@@ziadbe9970 That was untrue even when you wrote it. Try to keep up.
Isn't it more likely that were the SNP to win again they will set the ground for another referendum, but won't immediately pull it off? I mean, they might wait for better support or at least for the pandemic to calm down.
The SNP have stated that the referendum would take place I 2023 or when the pandemic is over.
And the Scottish Breens within 5 years
Win again? I'm sure they lost the last referendum
@@jm-np4mu win an election
@@kingofthemawds9472 Support for independence has collapsed, and no referendum will happen without WM approval. SNP are taking their supporters for fools, delay delay delay
Come back in the EU, Scotland ! We miss you !
@Orwell 1984 UK have been in the EU for almost 50 years and therefore, Scotland has been part of the EU for just as long. Scotland didn't want to leave the EU and the EU didn't want them to leave either. If the independence is their only way to come back in the EU, so be it.
@Orwell 1984 Yes, that's precisely because they can't cherry pick what they take out of the union and because they have to obey to rules they don't accept that they prefer to be free from England and work with them not as a despised minority but as an equal . Also, they do fulfill the deficit requirements. Beside, even if it was not the case, the EU would still accept them just because it would weaken England. Especially if NI and Wales follow.
@@user-pc3nc3hg6w why would you or the EU want England weaker?
@@pyeltd.5457 To be in a better position for negociaton. For exemple France could get more access to UK's water for fishing.
Scotland won't be coming back to the EU-because we voted against independence-did you miss that one?
As a European, I would be in favour of a 100 billion project to strengthen economic trade between Scotland and the EU, e.g. by developing ports and heavily subsidising shipping between Scotland and the EU (especially with the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden). I believe the EU is ready to spend money to make it as easy as possible for the Scots to return to the EU without heavy economic losses. At the latest when Northern Ireland becomes independent, I think an EU-funded bridge between Northern Ireland and Scotland is very likely to strengthen European trade between Ireland and Scotland.
You are nuts, I presume you have had a covid jab which would explain it. EU has no money, 2 biggest money makers were Germany and UK and Uk left and everyone else is pissed at germany, no one is building a fking bridge lol
Wow! Your views are seriously dangerous …. You advocate destroying a sovereign nation, carving some territory off to another country, against the wishes of the majority of its population (Northern Ireland). You support a divisive, nationalist regime which has a budget deficit which is so large it breaks all EU rules of membership! You would have to set up another international and trade border where one hasn’t existed for over 400 years! (ie much longer than the existence of most EU countries). As for most of the economic arguments, trust me, ALL the major banks in Scotland have developed plans to leave Scotland on the event of any independence vote, and the vast majority of all trade and travel to and from Scotland are with England.
so you want the eu which has a budget of 1000 bn for 6 years to distrubute to 27 countires and scotland which has a budget deficit of 22% in 2020-2021 to invest 100 bn to build a port that nobody is mostly gonna use it, sir i would recommend stop eating drugs to get high.
Simply, yes of course. All it takes is the will to do so, all else will follow.
"Everyone is wrong abiut the EU membership but you". Yes. She was infact.
She was in fact right... Just as when it comes to Johnson, the "clown" who went to become Prime Minister.
Thank you for probably the best treatment of this subject I have found on the internet (and that includes all the major news outlets - in the US :-)
independence for scotland seems a bit unrealistic, but i still kinda want to see this happen
No
@@mrcool2107 ok
If only brexit happened first then scotindy would likely have gone very differently.
well TACTICALLY PERFECTLY placed Refferendums...-.- as always with Cameron -.-
Or imagine if Scots had voted Yes to Indy. They would have had to negotiate leaving the UK and the EU AT THE SAME TIME. And the Brexit referendum probably wouldn't have happened either with that shit storm going on so the UK would have still had its veto
@@mogznwaz they would have had help from the EU negotiating with the UK...since they wouldnt have LEFT the EU...
It's time for Scotland to be free from Westminister 🏴
Scotland has only 59 out of 650 seats in the House of Commons so imagine how little emphasis there is on Scotland. Ireland has Dail Éireann as its only parliament where there's 160 seats and each constituency has either 3, 4, or 5 seats and its entire emphasis on Ireland.
@@phillipwilloughby5013, sure, ask Gordon Brown.
@@phillipwilloughby5013 because scotland has about 5 million people, while england has over 50 million... ofc there's more seats to represent England
@@toffeesky6227 Creating a parliament that has nearly all its emphasis on England with Scotland and Wales barely noticeable. What a pointless ridiculous farce. Independent Scotland and Wales would each be one country with one parliament emphasising all attention on their own country then England would have the House of Commons all to itself.
Cool vid. But maybe fix the EU map to include Latvia and Estonia
and finland!
Nobody cares
@@bogregz obviously „you“ doesn‘ equall „the rest“. Check the comments, many do care. TLDR itself usually cares, as seen on their pins.
LOL
A potential fly in the ointment with an independent Scotland joining the EU is that any other EU member could veto Scottish membership. And countries that have regions seeking independence may veto Scottish membership, to discourage their own restive regions from seeking independence and joining the EU.
They did bring that up with Spain, the most prominent of those countries, but Spain also has said they would vote Yes on Scotland reentering
I just wanna be able to study in Scotland through the EU