The idea of immortality has long been a prominent fixture in storytelling, and serves as a much sought after goal even here in real life. The ability to live forever, free of the limitations of the human body's natural life cycle, seems like a logical aspiration, but do you really want to live forever? Kyle takes a closer look at the prospect of cheating death, and its real world implications in this week's Because Science!
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Thanks for watching Super Nerds! Seems I have struck a fictional nerve with this one, and so many great comments! *It's totally fine to disagree with me on this* that's all part of it. We don't have the data either way, so leave your nerdiest ideas below. -- kH
12:04 I've met people in college who party until they black out and don't remember the going's on of the party. They do this on a regular basis, but they seem unconcerned with the question of "what was the point of even having that experience in the first place?" Maybe some people simply want the experience even f they can't remember it? 13:09 Then...was the fruit in the garden the key to escaping the gilded cage that is life!?
My will to live? Very funny.
love this episode
@because science What did u say in another language
Because Science kyle what happened to your Nerdist channel were you the found of it or were you taken onboard by them? I must ask because it has gone nowhere since you left.
I don't want to live forever. I want to live as long as I want.
That's an Opinion i Highly respect. People don't realize the consequence of immortality. Maybe every problem related to it will be solved, but not Existentialism. The true form of life is Death. That is what makes us feel alive and think that our lives were worth it. That is why our lives matter. Having an option to live as much as you like still doesn't change the fact that one day you're gonna want to sleep in the gentle arms of the Abyss of Eternity that is Death. Though Death is kind of a crude and rude word to describe the Gentle Abyss of Eternity.
@@danielantony1882 Well said!
@@Michalos86 i'm not an Emo though. In case someone decided to stretch and joke about it. I've still got shit to do, and wether i want to live longer then a normal human is highly dependent. It depends. I'm pretty sure you have stuff to do if you want to live a bit more. Or maybe you just want to know how it feels.
@@danielantony1882 I don't believe that there's an Eternity after death. I don't believe that there's anything for you after death. You just go off, like a light bulb. I would like to experience as much as I can till I am alive, but I also believe that, being immortal, there would come a day when I would think, that I saw everything and I would like to have an option to turn my self off. Also I do believe that the knowledge that I can end my (almost) immortal life could help me appreciate all there is to experience in being alive, just that maybe in a slower pace.
@@Michalos86 True. That's what i was trying to imply.
“Why you don’t want immortality”, says the God of Thunder who’s 1500 years old...
More like he wants heart attack and still doesn't die
More like a god that can leave for long and still doesn't get heart attack
Aidan Rogers I want immortality and I mean I want to be immortal and I want to live with power of immortality forever.
i think that even if you could have an imortal body, after a few, billian years all your memories would have long been forgotten... at that point are you really the same person anymore?... in short i think that by its very nature consciousness and imortality are impossible to combine, you would lose yourself more and more as you lived on... our brains can only hold so much information ie names, and events we'v seen/experinced learned of... and after all you ever knew or remenbered has been replaced with newer memories your consciousness is in a way, dead.
I'm the 222th like and the immature part of me smiled
the scariest thing ive always thought about immortality is eventually you are going to reach a point where all the stars have burned out and there is no longer any stimulus you can detect, leaving you with only your thoughts, after a while you will think every thought that you can based on your finite experience of the universe, you will run through them over and over in your mind until there are no new thoughts left to think. at some point you will stop thinking and your experience will be indistinguishable from death.
so eventually he stopped thinking
except its worse than death, as you dont really die and you might be feeling pain every moment due to the vacuum of space or something, and since you don't and cant die you miss out on either actually attaining peace atleast not until a very long and painful period passes or you miss out on any possible afterlife or just dying and going straight to non existence which would rid you'd the pain.
You will never run out of thoughts vecause you will rethink them after you forget.
Which is why over the countless billions of years you work out how to move through/create universes.
@@lukebernie2811 The only thought: Ow
A version of immortality you discussed was covered in David Tennant's tenure of Doctor Who. The character was immortal but she couldn't remember anymore than a standard lifetime, so she chronicled her life so she could look back at her exploits and what she'd learnt.
Are you talking about DoctorDonna or 13?
13 if I recall correctly. The medieval woman who travelled through the ages. Been a while since I saw these episodes.
@@alisondale979 thats awhile after Tennant
I'm going to have to kick back and rewatch those one then as it has been some time, there were some great episodes from that time.
Oh wow, that premise reminds me of an episode of Future Man where Josh lives the same life over and over again with slightly different details for 10,000 years, and only noticed the loop because he'd been keeping a detailed journal which proved that after marrying Marilyn Monroe and divorcing her, he then did the same with Jesus, Gandhi, Chuck Norris, etc... 😁
Secretly immortal beings trying to convince us to not achieve immortality, typical
It's TRUE it sucks
😂
Hahha
One interesting fact: Real goal for this species is to keep me alive, so i could rule the universe one day... Just in case u didnt know...
@@urossestovic6259 machines with AI will kill us first
Immortal jellyfish: *“It’s rewind time.”*
Ahhh. That’s hot.
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Also some turtle can live upto 3000
my paternal grandfather died of terminal cancer when he was 81, but by the time he reached that age, he was ready to go for several years. He had a prognosis for at least 5 years had he kept up with treatment, but by the time he was diagnosed, he had seen all of his children grow up, his wife (my grandmother) had passed away 20 years earlier, he had lived at least long enough to see all of his grandchildren at least be born (roughly half had already reached adulthood by the time he died), and most of his old friends and colleagues had already passed away. So at the age of 81, he was clearly ready to go, if a wizard had come along and took away his terminal cancer and gave him eternal life, my grandfather would have cursed said wizard.
As a 70 year old, I can attest that immortality is a young person's dream. As we age death becomes more a promise than a threat: we don't have to do this forever.
I guess that's why when people would hold a funeral service for the dead, they call it "lay them to rest".
Yes, now imagine living for billions and billions of years and it never ends.
See that’s only because the quality of life sucks. Of course you want death as you get older, because your body starts failing and it’s gets more painful to keep going.
That's because your body is old. If you could be young, healthy and virile for thousands of years you'd take it in a nanosecond.
@@Powerhaus88 sure, but you'd probably get depressed because of all the people that you know keep dying
Before watching: I want to live forever. After watching: I still want to live forever.
Immortality is the curse of the short sighted. And the willfully taken downside of the curious, the explorer, and the historian. Kyle missed a lot of downsides, I have survived injuries that really where lucky to live though, just one was enough to dread the idea of immortality, I have outlived 90% of my friends and 70% of my family including one of my children, that alone is horrific. And my injuries have made remembering my past a little bit hazy same way immortality promises we would all forget everything eventually Its kinda like I get to trial the alpha version of immortality, all the bad sides, non of the living forever. Worst alpha ever, I am definitely asking for a refund and do over. Still. Id take a pill to live forever. Just to see how far I could go, how deep into space, what plants colonized or terraformed. The only real question is why do you want to live forever? To forget everyone, to forget everything good that has ever happened, to lose everything you love and watch everything you did fade to dust?
@@jimandaubz Here's one that never, and I mean never gets discussed. Would it be morally and ethically acceptable to date someone who's 18-whatever first century old if you were anywhere from 180-9,000 years old. Or would it be the equivalent of messing around with a minor?
@@jimandaubz If your immortality is biological, then your children could inherit it, meaning you might not outlive them as an immortal. As for others dying, that's entirely on a case by case basis. Some people get over death very quickly, while others never do. So outliving people may be a downside, but the severity of that downside varies greatly from person to person. As for losing memories, just record things. You have immortality, so you have plenty of time to write out any valuable knowledge you have, or record videos teaching knowledge or skills or anything else you don't want to lose. Wear a body cam as well, and your day to day life is permanently recorded, and you can just take time to edit out the parts that aren't worth saving. Combine that with the fact that the other issues with immortality can be solved with money, which you'd have plenty of time to gather, invest, and build a fortune out of, and I think pretty much any issue immortality poses can be resolved with a bit of effort.
Of course I still want to live forever. Everyone dying? Fuck, you can lose everyone you love today, I have seen people by the age of 23 lose literally all of their loved ones and friends. Is it mortality that was the issue? You advise he should just die? Or you know, live on with their memory? I advise the latter. Secondly, life is full of possibilities, death is.... So final - to quote my fav Tyrion Lannister from ASOIAF. Might you get bored eventually? Sure. you can get bored now too. But I can ensure you of one thing: the amount of experiences to keep you occupied if you are thoughtful enough, will be more than enough to overfill your brain and lose that data anyway, so you won't worry about running out. Even if you then criticize that - life is still better, and now it is increasingly ever more so. If you call it vain to still enjoy something anew you already did - then I also suggest you criticize the futility of all life anywhere, because you just hit the problem with it all as well; but that still doesn't make it not worth it - that is just the view of an annoying nihilist. I definitely want to be an immortal.
@@jimandaubz Whats so bad about being immortal.To outlive people and forget some things isn't a problem
"Do you really want to live forever?" I dunno. Let's talk about it after I've lived a few thousand years.
Immortality + eternal youth + serious disease resistance + opt out option is awesome, and any arguments against it really fall flat.
Fast everyday then you are immortal.
even 500 would be pretty nice
Shit I'm trying to stay motivated for normal life
Honestly, we can speculate and assume, but unless we actually talk to someone who's lived for 500 yrs or more, we wont actually know if it sucks or not.
Even in the Epic of Gilgamesh when Gilgamesh did find someone who knew the secrets to immortality and could give it, the person told Gilgamesh several times they wouldn't give it. When Gilgamesh threatened to beat the information out of the person they then said, "If you can go one week without sleep I'll make you immortal." Gilgamesh agreed to the challenge but fell asleep after a few days. Gilgamesh was then told, "If you cannot conquer sleep, then what makes you think you can conquer death?"
It's a good lesson. You think going a week without sleep will make you tired? Imagine having your body degrading over millennia but being literally unable to die.
In this story as you are telling it, Gilgamesh can't conquer death because he didn't get the secret for doing that from the person who had it. He didn't get any clever tricks for staying awake for a week either. Was the profound truth in Gilgamesh really that dumb?
@@tim57243I think maybe it's about making him accepting death is necessary, since if you compare being alive with staying awake, then going to sleep is something you would want after a long, long day.
@@ryannguyen8383 it is a false equivalence. Staying alive doesn't have to make you tired. Going to sleep when you can wake up tomorrow and do something then that you care about isn't like going to sleep permanently when you can't do anything tomorrow.
Imagine TELLING people your age when you're immortal.
Correction on the immortal jellyfish: they aren’t immortal they use a process called budding where they are basically giving birth to a child. Some insects can do the same thing, it’s not necessarily the same jellyfish which is supported as they do not retain memories.
They don’t have a brain anyway
Kyle - "You will be bored Forever!" Entertainment industry - "Challenge accepted!"
and thus the immortal man decided to create the entertainment industry
@@BladeMasterIcarus And recreate it over and over and over again.
Lol why do you think KZhead got created.
I am 25 and already bored to death by entertainment industry
Japan : hold my beer
60,000 years later "He was wearing a blue shirt. Wait who was?"
Lol
im more concerned about the marks near his neck
@@hoodedgenius3249 his necklace ?
Its black
Almost Died LoL
A few counter points: - If we "solved" mortality, you would not have to see your loved ones die. Simple as that. - If you forget anyway, there is no way that you would ever get bored. I could watch all of KZhead, all TV shows, all movies, play all games (including digital, TTRPGs, boardgames etc.), which is even now an insurmountable task due to new releases, and even if I managed that, I could do it all over again after a 1000 years once I have forgotten everything. - Forgetting isn't that bad. As you pointed out, we already do it all the time. - Having "true immortality" and getting stuck somewhere would just mean that you would have to wait, as there would be in an infinite lifetime a non-zero chance that someone would find and free you. Okay, unless you get stuck in a singularity, but then you would probably have a whole new set of problems (and opportunities). - Same with the "incurable disease". You would be hard pressed to find one that is "compatible" with your immortal state anyways, but here it would also be a matter of time (which you have infinite of) until someone found a cure. I would take all that and probably more to be able to see humanity reach the stars, see history unfold in real time and maybe even see the end. Would be worth it. Yes, I am that curious.
I don't think many opportunities would come from getting stuck in a black hole bro
@@javierrodrigueznoguera8611 Even those seem to evaporate. And with the time dilation going on behind the event horizon, you probably won't have to wait that long.
I feel like 300 years would be a decent average life span. As it stands life seems to short to do all the things you want to. However, if you lived forever, you'd likely not want to do those things anymore due to apathy. Don't change the overall paradigm of death giving meaning to life, but modify it a bit to give yourself a bit more time.
If you'll live for 300years.. I pretty sure you will be spending 275yrs of it paying bills and giving money to the government.
Exactly man. 80 is too short and most of us wont make it to 80
he just wants the Philosopher's stone for himself
A harry Potter and Full metal alchemist reference in one?
Yeah hohenhiem’s story is the reason why you don’t want immortality
Is this a Flash reference?
Yup that's why he's made all these videos about flying, beign invisible, superpowers etc..
I get it lolololol
“Why you don’t want to be Keanu Reeves”
DemonKing206 he is 50 something years old. And he looks like he’s 32.
I am not worthy to be Keanu
Anne Baskerville is He actually 50 something???.?.!.
ZerØ As th3 numb3r no man is worthy
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True immortal beings would have unbelievable methods to relieve boredom, perhaps akin to how humans invent games and novelties, but on a much grander scale.
Yeah things like "let me try moving a species to a new location and watch how it evolves for the next hundred thousand years". Like, we already enjoy doing that in theory, so it would be fantastic to see it actually happen. All the anti-immortality people always have the same boring set of arguments that do nothing to convince me I would rather stop existing. "Boo hoo you might get bored" my ass.
@@baval5 😂 I mean there's so much to do a whole goddamn multiverse to explore,boredom is subjective. I wouldn't be fvcking bored with so much to do. 😮💨
Our experiences in the current age are so far different than that of the average person a hundred years ago. Literally living and experiencing the change of time of the world around you is more than enough to not be bored. Even if i pursued every interest, every hobby, every academic avenue, whatever, those will constantly be changing. Never ending creativity of culture constantly ensure there's new things to explore. And by then there may even be an entire universe to explore. An infinite universe of things to discover. And if I were to die pursuing a passion of mine, whether ten years, a hundred years, or a thousand years from now, I'd be overjoyed to have experienced what i have already and thrilled to go out doing what i love.
"You don't want to live forever." "Don't I, Kyle? Don't I?"
This video did literally nothing to dissuade me from wanting to have biological immortality.
Ehh if you literally couldn't die eventually the earth dies and you are stuck in an environment with no air and you basically exist in 0 gravity in a state of eternally suffocating.
@@chaosryans again, as an immortal, you would be able to eventually gather loads of capital upon the centuries. Through them you could gain influence and power, and be some kind of Illuminati. You could then make it your goal to give humanity a way out, and push as much as possible for a durable and viable perpetual developpement. Possibly beyond Earth. EDIT : I'm talking about using wealth power and influence to have the human civilisation survive, not only you.
@@meandmetoo8436 money doesn't matter. Humans will eventually die out for sure. Regardless of where they went. Once everyone else is extinct you can do whatever you want or go wherever. But any one mistake and you are going to burn, suffocate, or freeze etc forever. Say you go to mars, an air lock won't last forever so eventually you'll be covered in dust, and your lungs get shredded by all the particles making breathing unbearable. Even on earth just one disaster like a supervolcano eventually going off will ruin our environment. Most of our food choices will be gone, air quality would be gone so you'd be fatigued to where you couldn't move and breathing would be a chore in itself as well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@chaosryans Isn't that assuming that as a biologicaly immortal man you do nothing in that life to ensure space travel? If I had that I would do everything to better every aspect of life around me to ensure my safety.
Man, I don't think 9,000 years is even close to the amount of time it would take me to get bored with life. This century has seen so much advancement that I wouldn't be able to exhaust the amount of possible experiences -- stories to experience, skills to learn, movies to watch, hobbies to pick up -- before new experiences became available.
Exactly!! More money to make, go around anywhere. If we didn't know we were going to die we'd all love normally without a fear but since we know we are. Everyone fears it. People live without thinking of death too and don't care about it. We live our lives like we're immortal in a way
Man, I was bored right out of the womb. I would not want immortality ever ever EVER!!
@@frozensky3838 I'd be very happy with the kind of immortality described in the video. Just not having to deal with the vicissitudes of age would be amazing, not to mention all the things I could experience over the centuries. But to each their own, eh?
@@luciddreamer616 are you dreaming?
9000 years, and yet the truth is that you'll pretty much watch the world die and grow without you. You'll be fine, but you never accounted the fact that "what if everything else will end". If the entirety of life in Earth dies, and only you survive, then you wouldnt be bored thats for sure. You're basically dreaming to become an everlearning, immortal Artificial Intelligence.
I think a lot of the criticisms you cite stem from a failure of imagination for what could be accomplished with an infinite lifespan. When you have an infinite amount of time, both good and bad things become more likely to occur, and we'll be able to use our minds to direct the passage of time away from entropy and toward constructive goals.
Forgetting things is why I love pictures. Especially pictures that I see for the first time of an event that I was a part of that I had long forgotten. Memories come flooding back, like they were always there in my subconscious. Awesome phenomenon
Me: **watches video** nah still want immortality
Same, although I'll admit I hope I'll be able to do a few neat tricks if its the invincible kind. Like for example if the planet blows up and gets eaten by the sun or whatever. Ignore pain/heat. Maybe skip the long time by going into slumber, tune out the feeling of crushing or whisked around. Like do you really want to drift in space and wait in your own thoughts? Hell no, that's a boring time that will definitely drive me mad. I'd at least like to fall into a deep sleep and dream until I wind up on some planet that has some life (hopefully intelligent). And then there's the immense pain one and possible panic one would feel if you couldn't do that stuff. The decompression, the cold, the weightlessness, the inability to control where you go. the heat when you get near a star, the smack of hitting space debris, the burning and falling sensation of plummeting into a planet (along with the smack that goes with it). And don't get me started on the cancer, like just because I'm immortal and invincible, I hope the details of that prevents cancer from being a thing. Or at some point I'd be a sad giant tumor from the space radiation, making me something from Lovecraft's mind given form
Yup.
Lul me too
@Lycurgus Eh, I doubt my concept of time would be the same as now and bore me after I reach the heat death of the universe.
@Lycurgus I'd still want it
If Wolverine taught me anything, it's that immortality is both a blessing and a curse
tell george soros that
@@akridflux6949 didn't he die?
@@guestkid9976 no that was the other jew Kissinger i think
@@guestkid9976 Hes still well alive unfortunately, 7+ heart transplants...
But he died....
I was about to go off on a tangent at around 9:24 about how you could choose when you go quietly into the night but that memory thing is a good point. As someone who has (I would say severe) memory problems it would suck forgetting everything that I wanted to stay alive for. It already sucks forgetting almost everything (except things like names and basic English and that jazz) after a single year XD
what an amazing video with well thought out concepts, research, and delivery. Well done!
9000 years from now, on my death bed,". . .it was a dark blue shirt -gasp-'
also you: wait what was their name? Was it a man or woman?
Mako stop ruining the joke.
Ra’s al Ghul thank you
Doctor: By swallowing this pill, you will be granted biological immortality. Patient: I'll take it! (immediately chokes to death on pill)
plot twist: its a suppository
@@benhanna93 I would still choke to death with it
That's my luck.
OMG LMAO 😂
@@elorok1232 anal choking ...that's my band name, don't steal.
The thing is the sentence “until the end of time” has a date, one or the other proposals of how the universe will end is usually enough to still kill what is by any definition immortal, even if you were beyond biological immortality, you’ll still eventually die to conditions that cannot facilitate even your true immortality, when everything becomes informationally isolated, swallowed by an universe sized black hole that will *eventually* evaporate into nothing, or everything collapses in on itself back into a singularity just to bounce back out again, none of those circumstances care what flavor of immortal you are, you will still die, eventually…
Outstanding video, subscribed! 👍
When memory is full, compress memory with winrar. WinRar trail is forever.
When baby is full compress with deep sea water
If I could, would store in Medium where I could easy reload parts I need in momentarily on other side It would surly give knowledge that have to update more once in time.
LOL
But my free trial ran out :(
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“Imortality is everyone Else dying” The 12/13 docter who
I object. If a nobody like myself could acquire it, then I surely won't be the only one with it
@@Meson10 that seems too improbable and even if so, I'd just let humanity study me to get a feel for what makes me tick and replicate it. It's not like I'll die so there's no harm in giving that a try
Aidas Baranauskas well if the reason for your immortality is because you’re the AntiChrist then I’m afraid your existence is bad news for humanity. Sure you’re immortal but your existence alone threatens all of humanity
@@EnigmaEnginseer elaborate. The question was on whether I'd be immortal, not on whether I'd magically bring apocalypse by merely existing. What's so antiChrist about helping humanity progress?
Ahh, no, youre not the only one who gets it.
Debunkig negatives: 1. family members grow and expand 2. knowledge and study can concur boredom 3. u can always kill your self 4. U can always forget and makek new memories, brain plasticity helps us even through 100 years of life. 5. u can make your own music, and u will forget music, people go back to old records sometimes 6. u can always cure yourself in the end, u have time to study and cure anything yourself, build anything yourself, achieve anything yourself 7. immortality gives u freedom and control, u can skip time by sleeping, u can change personalities and lives. 8 imaigne a being smart enough to change every molecule of hit body, explore biggest misteries, and be a mouse, plant or a something close to god, and achieve it all using time. Thats Immortality. immortality in the end is Freedom. Everything has a price but given time everything has a solution.
@becausescience you're just awesome mate. Thx so much for taking the time to do these videos.
You should name your channel to killing dreams with science
Great video. Woo Notification squad!
My dream of teleportation is still alive cause of the last sentences he said at the end so HA!
I still want to be immortal
Science denies your dreams. Why? Because science!!!😐
Jorge Mercado As long as eternal youth comes with it, it should be fine.
I want a deadpool imortlality so I can regenrate lost limbs and everything else.
U just dont know how to spell do you
Fake Elon Mask i want to be immortal so i can see the ending of probinsyano. Th most longest running show here in the philippines.
@@luka-ke3fs stup bieng meen an go bac to fotrnite kid
@Clemority ' U just dont know how to spell do you
@@luka-ke3fs lmao
If I'm going to forget a good chunk of those experiences that just means I get to experience them again :)
The problem with the argument that death is a good thing is that we are mortal. All of our context about life and existence is based around it being finite. The argument that death is better than living forever is an argument where we literally have no frame of reference for immortality. We can make some assumptions, but we have no idea how a single person much less a society would change to accommodate living forever.
*20 years ago* Kyle's grandmother: ...and then they lived happily after forever Kyle: but here's the thing..
the more you say "you don't want immortality" the more I want immortality
Ok then,allow me to rephrase it. you Don't want to be stuck in cosmic solitary confinement when the universe reaches heat death.
Then time will have its last laugh
@@ADAJ342 i just don't want to live in this SJW world forever, people already don't like my for my views
@@radwooah , Ok, in case you want advice... Avoid talking about politics whenever it is unnecessary, it is one of the most divisive topics and enables people to be extremelly agressive. Oh and just to be clear, im not telling you to stop pressenting your political believes, but I am recomending you to stop talking about swj in places where politics are totally uncalled for.
As a wise man once said, "Life without death is not life." Life is life because of death. To not die, means to not live.
I watched this video 4 years ago but I forgot all of it so now I'm watching it again. See you in another 4 years.
I would want to live forever, I want to see what humankind can do and accomplish.
If humanity ever achieved immortality, where the aging process is stopped biologically (but death by accidents or choice is still a possibility), then one should be allowed the option to die if living forever is not a desire.
A power that I want for myself is the only way I die is via old age and not by premature means, anything that could kill me from a stab wound can heal or my cells will be strong enough to take out a virus or tumor
There's a sci fi book in the future with immortality and one of the richest men hires someone to try and find a reason for him to keep living because he's so bored of life.
I'd rather not know when I'm going to die
The movie In Time explores this concept. Humans have immortality via time, if a person has vast amounts of time then they could essentially live forever, so the main plot is a wealthy businessman giving away all his time to the protagonist because he was bored of living and deciding to end his life because he simply saw no need to have all that time for nothing.
This should be so today too!
Instead of being immortal I would rather be in my prime for the rest of my life
AKA the current anti aging movement, in which you will be immortal, and in your prime.
@@brianlam5847 What do you do when the sun starts to die and there's nowhere to go? And even if you somehow make it to a moon of Saturn where the Red Giant phase of the sun will be just enough to keep you from freezing but not burning, what happens when it compresses into a white dwarf and leave the solar system dark and empty? And even if you manage to leave that behind, what about when the last of the stars in the universe winks out, assuming that cosmic expansion doesn't prevent you from ever arriving at another destination? NOTHING is forever. Not the sun, not the universe, nothing.
Your comment is literally "Shine the brightest,not the longest" and it's nice to know someone thinks the same way.
That’s the point to never age never get old and weak. It would be nice if there was a serum to inject yourself with, to see the ages of this world evolve.
Perhaps you should take up some hobbies. I recommend BASE jumping, cave diving, and free solo climbing. You could mix it up a bit with some axe catching and chainsaw juggling as well.
I think the most important experience, would be to see how mankind progresses over those 9,000 years.
Probably a very huge overpopulation problem, they will need to control to control birth
I mean, it sounds like a few of these issues can solve themselves. Having a fainting memeory may become a benefit if your worried about running out of things to experience in this world. You'll simply forget one of the things you experienced and you can do it all over again like it's your first time all over again.
Doctor Who dealt with the memory issue in an interesting way. A woman who became immortal had an entire library of journals because she'd lived too long to remember most of it. As she put it, she had an immortal lifespan with a human memory. She'd had whole families in the past that she couldn't remember anymore.
Which episode was that?
@@highplainsdrifter9197 It was the couple episodes in the Capaldi era that Maisie Williams guest starred
somehow your comment strikes true with the anime Attack on Titan. I think its due to the supernatural power to erase memories but still, very interesting. Would one still categorize their life as one when they know they have written about events they do not recall? Or maybe the individual consciousness will ultimately override their memories, putting them into a place were they are both aware that they have forgotten but also know that they once in fact partook in said activity or event. Perhaps that's what life is now, as i type i could be an infinite being who, due to physical restrictions perceive my existence as a singular phenomena. When really, I am everyone who has ever lived and will live. In that case, I am having a conversation with myself.
@@highplainsdrifter9197 Ashildr is the name of the character and she is recurring. She is introduced in "The Girl who Died" and you next see her in "The Woman who Lived"
That's why we have snapchat memories to remember
because science: why you don't want to live forever example: you can die me: that's not living forever
@Rafael Lopez it gets tiresome. Like, people who get out of jail after being in it for so long aren't comfortable with normal life
@Rafael Lopez You watch the video and listen? what if a meteorite crush the planet and you end in the space ,you cant move and only feel cold Forever? how about if aliens invade the planet and they are a lot stronger than you and use it and torture you for invesigations and make you a slave forever? how about if you are only a head forever? or whatever bad situation
@@frikizona483 There's a difference between immortality and invulnerability..
@Rafael Lopez not everything is possible so aliens may not be immortal if there is no way to alter the DNA to make that organism immortal without tearing apart the DNA strands because doing that would result in the death of the organism thus making the operation completely pointless
@@firepuppies4086 by that logic, people will just get so used to life they wont be comfortable dying
A lot of things mentioned in this video have things you can do to get around it. I saw someone else mention that although your family might die in the standard lifetime as long as ur kids keep having kids you’ll forever have a family and, new partners, if wanted, are available. However, knowing ur immortal and could watch ur partner die one day might prompt you to not get too attached or develop relationships beyond a certain point. Also keeping a diary and keeping track of notable experiences will help you compile a complete track and history of ur life experiences so far. And as far as Boredom goes there’s seemingly infinite things to do in this world as a single person. Numerous hobbies to pick up, places to visit and infinite people to meet ( over time )
All this fun only lasts until civilization ends and eventually the sun swallows the Earth. Then it would just suck.
Imagine being immortal but you were captured during wartime and were experiencing 'enhanced interrogation' you'd lose your mind
Everyone: "I'd still want immortality" Zeref: "..."
Westley Bezzant yeah but his way of immortality is a bit worse forcing him to contradict himself a lot and made him messed up in the head
😂
@@allen8655 more like a curse than blessing
zeref need to think: im gonna live forever ...and then he died peacefully
@@demon6937 it might be better for humanity to have immortality. At onne point we will stop fighting and actually think longer term, like nature preservation and climate changes and take it seriously, because we will realise that all that will now actually affect us directly. Space exploration will get the attention it needs, researchs will get the fund they need, rather than spending on military. With immortality we can actually advance as a race.
At least the "forgetting everything" part solves the "infinity of boredom" part, since you just endlessly, interestedly cycle through re-learning everything that you forgot.
And I think at this point there’s so much to learn that information may be being discovered and made faster than it can be learned
No. Coz what to forget won't be in ur hands. And we can't also imagine how that would be as no one's brain capacity has ran out yet. Just imagine that u forgot to walk.
@@alexc2265 honestly, I never got the boredom argument. Most people really work in one career throughout their entire lives speaking only one language. French by itself took me like 5 years to learn and even then I'm only B2. people really underestimate the proliferation of knowledge and entertainment.
It's kinda like watching a series, anime, movie, etc. and simply rewatching it later thinking "oh hey, what's this?" or "I think I liked this one, but what's it about again?" Infinite. Entertainment.
@@BlitzOfTheReich But you would need an infinite variety in knowledge and entertainment to not get bored at some point in your eternal life, which I don’t think is possible. (Disregarding the memory issue of course)
Mind over matter. When you are bored, you create something. The way technology is expanding, no way you will ever get bored.... Read a book, Take 2 years of your entire life in reading physic books, and build your own space station, take the time to become the smartest person to exist, take time to connect with nature and help it grow, So many thinfs to do Never enough time....
Yes you’d have to watch you loved ones go, but the thing is that you could constantly grow more intelligent and wise to a point, obviously as stated, and you could shepherd your family for the rest of time. You could watch every generation grow up and grow old and help them navigate through all of life, making sure that your family would always have the best lives possible afforded to them so long as you choose to live. Seems very sad to see them all go but there isn’t just death, there is also new life. I feel this would be a beautiful existence, and I’d gladly take the power and sorrow involved to have my family for hundreds or thousands of years always have the best.
what if we gave a lobster unlimited energy? lobsterzilla?
Make this a movie
Well ebirah is a mutated lobster,and a Godzilla kaiju
Imagine it! UNLIMITED LOBSTER ENERGY! Harnessed for EVIL!
Jill Delcroix It would become Jordan Peterson
@@andreykravchenko6829 Lol, you dare mock the High Lobsterician Peterson ? Be wary, lest he assumes your gender ;-)
12:24 "Eh, you get used to it." - Garlic Jr.
The Dead Zone is actually party central.
Got em!
I now want Garlic Jr. to come back in DBS and somehow have become as strong as a God of Destruction. He would then transform and be all buffed up, and then meet Broly. "...Re-really? You're not cool I did it first!" Imagine how pissed he'd be though. He spends all that time in the Dead Zone, gets stupid strong, breaks out to go and kill Goku and everyone and oh! Surprise! Goku's just as strong, and guess what? He's got two other Saiyan friends that are just as strong! "I miss the Dead Zone."
"All these ningen wanting the power of gods... it's truly the most pathetic form of begging." -An alright Zamasu impression
Ah yes but where is my Buu saga for dbza
I feel like you made a video about my reasoning upon immortality, though immortal or mortal we will lose our family, whether it be we dying first and losing them or they die and we lose them and have to miss them for as long as we live, also this is so scary, plus one of my fears is me dying and not in the future being able to care for my parents and siblings grave
1:29 was that the necromancer king from that cartoon? Wasnt he pure evil energy, not death ? Am I wrong (or maybe you dont understand becouse of my bad english?)
because science: if you have immortality you lose you will to live me: not like i have it now anyway
@jediphilosopher Probably the most naive comment here
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 Yeah i just wanna play Final Fantasy 50
@@ugiustuskeiserus8066 not as naive as yours.
@@shayanmoosavi9139 How? Nothing I said is naive
Well, what a waste of inmortality then
“What if you fell into an abandoned mineshaft” The cave around you would eventually erode setting you free
Or ir would fall in top of you squashing all your organs
Most problem comes from getting out while still being alive, a race against time. When you're immortal, time is on your side.
@Kou 1 if you get hungry and thirsty then it is because you need food and water, if you are immortal then you don't need food and water so you wont get hungry and thirsty
yes or the people will build a city on you
@Kou 1 Read your own comment that I responded to, it was about being stuck in an underground cave for millennia waiting for the rock to erode, how can that possibly be about a situation where you need food to survive. In that case your response just disregards your first comment and say you wouldn't be stuck since you would be dead.
"...Immortality would also lead to extreme boredom." Definitely a challenge I would be willing to take if given the opportunity.
You wouldn' t be bored considering you' d have to work, living isn' t free.
Yesterday, I met a crazy guy who offered me the opportunity to be immortal. After this, I will have to say, 'You know, bro, no thanks.' Life is beautiful because the end is coming...
Lol what a joke.
Types of immortality: 1: Doesn't age but can still be killed by other things 2: Doesn't age and can't be killed 3:ghosts
4 dosent age cannot die cannot get hurt cannot suffer damage biological or outside forces
5: An undead zombie/skeleton. 🤣
TheBlackKnight101 I suppose that would fit under the Ghost category, and you could still theoretically kill a zombie.
Ghosts are mortal. They eventually reincarnate. NOTHING is permanent.
4. Reincarnation with memories of the prior life.
9:40 You're wrong. I accept it. Now give me immortality.
Same actually. Even knowing I would eventually probably forget all of the things that were important to me that became trivial since I experienced it so much, even knowing that I would likely eventually die in a non-peaceful normal way, and even knowing that I would eventually experience everything while forgetting something while losing loved ones, I would still take it. The way I see it now is that I would at least be alive and, if I no longer held the sentiment that being alive is better than being dead, I could always choose to go peacefully through the assistance of someone else or society.
I read this as that passed 😂😂😂
I have an elixir in my mtg deck
@ShiroTheSorrow no, because your organs wouldnt deteriorate if you don't age and get no diseases. this video talks mainly about not aging
Same
11:49 we say that, and yet when things are sufficiently spaced out enough or sufficiently fulfilling enough (like seeing family, being with friends, meeting new people or engaging in fun hobbies), we find joy in them once again. Perhaps the way to avoid extreme boredom in infinite life is to not follow the same patterns too consistently, and to switch it up often. Oh, and also to adapt with changing technology and find joy in the new things on the market
Just to clarify, immortality is NOT possible, because nothing is infinite. It's phsyically impossible for something to not be damaged by time, so it's impossible to be immortal. Now, immortality is something you'd clealry want, because as others alrwady explained, you'd only forget things you don't repeatedly remember, just like you forgot the capital of Lebanon that you learned in 5th grade, but you still remember that 1+1=2 that you learned at 3 years old. On the other side, you'd keep forgetting places you've been to only once, so you could easily keep forgetting and re exploring the earth, and if we included invincibility in the immortality, even eventually explore stuff like the Mariana trench, an active volcano, and even space itself. Immortality is something that anyone who wants a more complicated purpose in life than having a family would want. It would allow you to do anything, forever. It's the perfect life.
And just to clarify. The reason everyone goes "but imagine how boring it'll be. Death is clealry a release" it's because us, as humans, are completely impotent towards death, so we try to familiarize ourselves with it by "looking at the positive sides", even when we have to make one up, like in this case.
Glad i suck at math. My Cells can't divide, so i should be safe.
Underrated comment, haha.
😂😂😂
Long division = ancient magic. Thanks Calculator in my phone!
Nice
“Its not immortality, its just 8,000-9,000 years” Sign me up!
Same. I'd much rather live for a few millennia than a century at most.
Id like to live forever. I could see humans moving to other planets, aliens, going to different galaxies, maybe dimensions, evolving, new species, cyborgs, technologies. It gets me so excited to just think about it. I could tell people about the past...
Ikr? 9000 years is more than enough for me.
@@aleksanderzalar1195 THIS! I just don’t want to be alive when the world ends but scientists would probably have super advanced technology by then so they would probably know when it ends so you can like move to a different dimension/planet before earth explodes
@@aleksanderzalar1195 I feel like you would forget the past the longer you live... We can't remember forever...
Love how they explored immortality in that movie The Old Guard with Charlize Theron. Also Thanks for making these. They’re so interesting and epic 🤘🏼
You have all the time to find solutions to these problems. Eventually you will adopt and learn to every situations you will encounter. Ofcourse you will keep evolving and improving. So yes, I sill want that literal immortality.
Kyle's dark blue shirt will live forever now.
damn it Kyle!
Not in my brain. I have issues with short term memory, so the shirt's not likely to survive before it can be encoded into long term memory. CURSE YOU KYLE FOR SETTING A CHALLENGE MY SHORT TERM MEMORY CAN'T HANDLE! WHY DO YOU PICK ON ME AND MY DISABILITY!!!
@@jackielinde7568 so now that u think about it wouldnt it be processed and slowly but surly get into ur longterm memory
@@Sejiko You'd think the same for spelling words, but sadly that didn't take either. (Yes, I rely heavily on spellcheck.)
But what shade of dark blue?
9000 years would give my plenty of time to figure out how to become invulnerable.
Yeah I know, I hate when people try to tackle this subject without taking into consideration ALL the future technologies. The number one unnatural cause of death is car accidents, self driving cars will all but eliminate that concern. 9000 years is a long time to upload your mind to a computer. Your friends and family will likely do it too, so if they do die there may be trillions of years in between losing a single loved one. Memories can be vastly improved with future computers. Diseases will be cured. And how could anyone ever just get bored? Etc. etc.
@@richdadsummit7557 It's like the crisis with Saitama from One Punch Man he became so strong no one can challenge him so he's cursed with all encompassing boredom
@@richdadsummit7557 This. The boredom argument is the one that really confuses me. Maybe I'll get "bored" eventually, but not before: Learning every language known (and inventing some new ones) Mastering every skill, ever (and inventing some new ones) Playing every game ever made (and inventing some new ones) Bringing humanity to K-III and beyond (obviously not just me, but I'll be helping) After all this, most of my effort will be devoted to answering Asimov's Last Question.
Become a cyborg with external memory storage.
@@leiffitzsimmonsfrey1272 and even if you did become bored you could just reset your memory and do it all again, potentially even designing a virtual world so that everything you experience is the best possible experience you could get.
the scariest thing about immortality for me is where you will reach a point after the sun ate the earth floating endlessly in space until the universe eventually dies leaving you in an endless void of nothing that will eventually die and sow on
All right he convinced me on not wanting a few of the other super powers like flying, super speed and invisibility but for immortality it still seems like a pretty dang good tradeoff.
Who else started hyperfocusing on Kyle's shirt when he said you'd forget the colour of it?
That information is saved for sure
A true troll would change shirts every time he switched screens
That shirt color is engraved in my brain now and I don't want that useless information occupying storage space! DAMN U, KYLE!
i remember it's green!
I had to watch the video twice because I couldn't store any information after that...
I'd still take that option maybe then I could 100 percent Skyrim
George Gibbson not possible 😂😂
Not possible since there would be other immortal people creating new expansion/quest mods for an eternity as well. ;)
Not possible the third reboot would be out while trying to %100 the original one.
Impossible because theres literally an infinite amount of sidequests. Havent you noticed that bandits can be raided again and again?
And then you get a arrow in the knee.....
I work in Amazon and I can attest even the best employees are, in the end, just a number. I met people who were amazing with customers, and they were fired because of lateness. Lateness in amazon is coming to work and login a minute late, coming late 1 minute from your break or lunch. They also give disciplinary actions for staying overtime if not approved by a manager. Customer service in Amazon is the closest to slavery; but not just customer service associates, managers have to be in so many meetings everyday, sometimes they are impossible to find. Amazon has the weird way to encourage teams to always do better that I have seen very productive managers been let go because they reached the point they could not come up with anything new. I was fine because I always had my expectations low. I scaled up just enough to move away from CS, but not taking a manager position, so I was in that perfect middle ground where I just had to worry about not being late. Their medical was, however, fantastic.
I feel like the Warhammer 40k universe handles this concept rather well. So, disregarding perpetual like the emperor or Vulcan (and the Primarchs, cus they've got their own weird warp spaghetti going on), there are a variety of biologically Immortal characters within the setting. However, given the sheer length of the setting, that ability acts more as a life extension than true immortality. For example, the Astartes or space marines are genetically modified super soldiers that are said to be biologically immortal. However, it is very rare for them to live longer than 500 - 1000 years before facing a grizzly death (granted, they are soldiers, but the point stands). Even space marine characters such as Dante, who have far surpassed this expectancy (over 2000 years old), have been shown to be extremely depressed and tired of life, wishing death for themselves due to the sheer weight and torment provided by such a long life.
I think what people really want isn't immortality, it's the choice of WHEN our mortality kicks in.
I would never wan’t immorality, literally a curse
@@caramelcreatures5732 Well, Immorality is a totally different issue ;P But if you meant Immortality (I know, Im a shit lol), yeah I agree. But I still think Id like to have the choice of when I die. True immortality is a curse, but selective immortality might be worth checking out.
@@shaylet6483 I 100% agree, and yes I meant that not dying is a curse, you are guaranteed to get stuck in a hole with no one to help you
@@caramelcreatures5732 How is that guaranteed to happen?
@@villegzev9651 if your immortal everything you do has a 99% chance you would just have to be standing still and still would have a 50% of everything happening to you
I acknowledge the major points of you argument. However, I am still unconvinced.
Same
If you keep forgetting… Then you can redo the experiences over and over… never getting bored..
The reasons we create for "why immortality sucks" would immediately go out the window if anyone ever became truly immortal lol Regarding the "boredom" issue, i believe other people would feel very stupid to the immortal, but the amount of experiences, hobbies, places and people is too gigantic to truly experience everything in just a few thousand years.
Plus it's not like we wouldn't have literally all the time in the world to deal with every single one of the problems with having immortality.
You're delusional
@@immortalfrieza you'll have all the time in the universe too. When you're floating alone suffocating and freezing in the abyss of space after the last star dies out. Sure, your life could be good while you still have a planet to live on but once they're all gone there's nothing left but guaranteed suffering for you. I don't think the good is worth the bad.
@@prophecybydefault4708 After tens of billions years, I could slack off for 99.9% of that time and still make enough progress to develop means to prevent the heat death of the universe from ever being a concern. Hell, by that point I wouldn't be surprised if I could create universes.
@@immortalfrieza do you think you'll just manifest Supernatural powers from nowhere? No, you won't because you're human. And almost all resources will be of no use to you after tens of billions billions years because most habitable planets will have destabilised and either exploded or been hit by space debris by then.
Person: wishes to have abnormal gifts Because science: makes video on why you don't want that
actual science : wait wait like 20 years
And fails to convince me lol
I wouldn't want immortality, but a prolonged live like the 9000 years mentioned? Hell yes
The longest I would want to live would be 1000 because 9000 would just be horrendous
@@lichxeam i guess, if humanity technology advanced for about 100-125 years we could have other worlds, like fantasy ones through VR or something, but that also brings up the question: what if we can advance the human brain or atleast countain its information in a machine?
Whilst immortality isnt possible, aemortality is, the form described in the video as prolonged life. If it really gets boring, wait it out, then end it. Thats my plan if it comes to that.
Imagine if any of you guys can meet those technologies that will prolong your life lol
Ude be tired of life if real quick after another 80 years
Because science: you will probably forget the color of my shirt My brain: forget everything about immortality and remember this shirt until the day we die
The biggest problem with living forever is that your brain's neural pathways will still stagnate after about 60 years or so. Imagine being thousands of years old and being completely and utterly incapable of adjusting the way you behave to current biological, ecological, technological, and sociological requirements, yet also being literally unable to die? It would be hell.
“Why you don’t want immortality “ says queen Elizabeth who is 93 years old and is still in perfect health
Looks the same as she did in 1975
She has the the the fountain youth
Bruh shes living in luxury , take other peoples grandparents who lived in rural places , ones that we left behind , for example my grand grand mother lived to 120 years of age , with lots of work all the time , 93 years in comfort is nothing , she will die from boredrum by the time she gets to live a rural life , im presuming she might make it to 100 years
Ari Jappendi this is the only decent argument I’ve found. That the lack of death of loved ones would lead to boredom and nihilism. I personally think that this could be replaced with caring for protecting, and maintaining personal property. Given that will still degrade. It’s possible that in a future with eternal life that theft would become the new murder. I mean imagine living in 2275, and someone steals your oldest belonging a watch that your father gave you.
Living in luxury with the best health care and never doing a day's work in your life = longevity
Jokes on you, I've been perpetually bored for years
Jokes on you I wanted to die last week.
How else do you end up watching KZhead?
I wanted die as well
When u say until the end of time wdym? Time isnt something tangible that can just cease.its just a concept that we created to measure the passing of events.if everything around u ceases and you are still existing throught it all...eventually something is going to happen again.
I disagree with a lot of these concerns. For boredom, new entertainment comes out all the time so the likelihood we would exhaust all forms of entertainment is basically zero. For only dying to horrible causes, that's like saying we might as well just kill ourselves now in a pleasant way if that's all that matters. For contracting a permanent disease, cures are being created all the kind, and most you can avoid. They say shark bites are more common than plane crashes, but I can avoid both entirely by not going in the ocean or on planes. For memory, we already forget a ton of shit and that doesn't bother us now, why would it start to once we live forever?
0% Survival chance. Huh. That's a number I can live with.
Wait a minute...
You didn't just- bruh
Nice one
Nice
The thing about memory, though, is that even though I can't remember my first birthday, or really clearly remember the majority of my early childhood, those experiences still shape me as a person, and had those experiences been different, I would be different. So, even if I forget the majority of my 9,000 year life in any real detail, it's not like wiping a hard drive, those experiences still shape me as a person. As someone with poor memory to begin with, I think we'll get by just fine. Keep a journal I guess. Also, with the amount the world has changed in the last 9,000 years, I'm sure you could find things to keep yourself busy in the next 9,000, especially if space travel becomes more accessible. Isaac Arthur does some cool stuff about this topic.
Or in those years we might be able to find a way to artificially extend our memory.
You do realise if you used 1 piece of paper everyday for that 9,000 years, you'd use 3,285,000 pieces of paper?
Wrath not if its an artificial journal stored on some kind of device or multiple devices all backed up to a so called “cloud” system or other such future means of artificial storage. Maybe everything can eventually be transferred to one book sizes nanocarbon megahardrive weighing no more than a notebook
Reminds me of Me from Doctor Who
I'd still take it, forgetting everything crosses out the problem of boredom
4 years later and I still do. :v
All of the ppl on here wanting to be immortal, you do realize you wouldn' t be able to retire in your 50' s or 60' s , you' d be working forever, life is not free.
'I cannot remember the books I've read any more than the meals I have eaten; even so, they have made me.' - Emerson, Ralph Waldo Just because you won't remember everything doesn't mean it has no value.
thank you
Bran the Broken would disagree with you
Just so. All your actions are in a sense recorded in the reality we all share. Cause and effect. A persons actions are *never* pointless or without value, and thinking so just because we don't remember or benefit from them personally is incredibly selfish and myopic.
"Unable to die even though he wishes for it, Kars eventually stops thinking".
Nice jojo reference
I thought I was creative, but then I see that this joke was already made a day ago
Still my favorite JoJo part.
@@SquishyTheTitan ur a true man
i'm 28 and i'm already bored of living