fun fact i noticed while reading unit sizes in database: battleships in supcom are 1:1 to real life negth, the size of a battleship irl was somewhere in the range of 270~ meters and thats about the size of supcom battleships, t2 ships are also realistically sized, destroyers being about 150~ meters irl, cruisers are slightly bigger irl at 160~, but still close to accurate
@shakal_ Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great science video. Great job man! The only thing i would like to point out is that the mentioned battleship interractions happen only when both battleships are in range of one another, but most of the time both of the naval forces stay separate, so in such situation the UEF battleship outmatches even the aeon one, because it can start firing sooner, and you can also kite with it.
@martinf90953 жыл бұрын
The amount of work into a old game is great I need get my pc again and play again
@judasromo94073 жыл бұрын
To emphasize just how much battleships are about health and range, the Summit has 130 DPS (according to this video) and the Riptide has 90 DPS (according to the unit db). That's why you still need frigates, the same way you still need T1 PD in firebases.
@pfeilspitze3 жыл бұрын
that's DPS per gun turret, not the whole ship
@jasonli24742 жыл бұрын
@@jasonli2474 A Thunderhead frigate does 50 dps with its one gun. A Summit battleship does 3*150=450 dps with its 3 guns. So it does 9× the DPS, but it costs 35.7× the mass -- which is still worth it because it has 5.3× the range, but makes it vulnerable to being rushed. Also, one full Summit volley is 9*1000 damage (every 20 seconds), but a Thunderhead only has 2120 HP, so a battleship shooting a frigate is complete overkill, and thus you need the spam of your own to deal with the little guys.
@pfeilspitze2 жыл бұрын
One particular thing about Battleships is that they don't do "more" damage over T2. Unlike T3 land which makes T2 land obsolete, Navy needs T2 in the mix to function properly. Mass for mass T1 always does more damage in both, but in Navy the mass dps drops significantly at T3.
@Jonsse2 жыл бұрын
Same as PD -- the T1 and T2 PDs have essentially the same DPS, but the T2 cost way more mass because of its extra range.
@pfeilspitze2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t even watched this video and I’m already enjoying it
@is_tolek54923 жыл бұрын
I think one important thing is like he said the galaxy is cheapest, that means not only is it more versatile but you can get more of them, so sure, you'll lose in a battleship 1v1, but it won't be a 1v1.
@thomasraymond7912 Жыл бұрын
And for same mass you get 5 galaxies compared to 4 summits.
@KapteeniKetzaКүн бұрын
One thing I would like to have seen was how they each match up vs torpedo bombers 1 to 10-20 for example (uniform testing ofc) for the ones with AA, I can forsee a torpedo bomeer video in the future but that may take a lot of tests or span multiple videos. Regardless good video now i can confirm my WW2 (yes I love that too) Summit remains my favorite.
@lu7ky3 жыл бұрын
Summit, in my opinion, is best because of the sheer range it has. Freaking OP, lol. They're meant to be at the back shelling out damage. Can't win if your ship's can't even hit the target cuz it's out of range, lol.
@benjaminrobledo54663 жыл бұрын
Problem with Summit is they have slow RoF. They have higher range but they lose to the sustained fire of groups of other battleships.
@Juggernautdemon2 жыл бұрын
there are also the build time that has his cost a unit that you can get sooner as also there + side
@nicolash21033 жыл бұрын
Very true. I forgot about that in the video. I need to incorporate that in the future when I talk about eco impact.
@TheDuelist3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDuelist That's is something that I only recently comprehend and that why I'm loving the t1 spam because I don't have to spend time teching up. They are a great bank for buck. But when the space become a issue they get out perform byt more expensive tec. I'm may be on the other extreme now >
@nicolash21033 жыл бұрын
@@TheDuelist ho! Did you know that if a factory assist a other one they complete the factory assisted queue that is rely helpful to get a balanced army and quick to execute and it work whit different tech factory. Example if you have 2 2t tack and 3 1t artillery and 1t2 factory and 2 t1 factory the t2 factory will make the tanks and the t1 make the artillery
@nicolash21033 жыл бұрын
I never see any snow or ice worlds played on faf. I wonder why, they're my favorite.
@austinstoner6270 Жыл бұрын
There may not be as many, but they are definitely out there. Here's one I casted a while back: kzhead.info/sun/pcmnYbSkZ4KBnoU/bejne.html
@TheDuelist Жыл бұрын
@@TheDuelist Just an observation, how do the battleships stack against the Neptune? Neptune seems to mimic and be the T3 ''destroyer''
@demetrioshristovski4518 Жыл бұрын
You ever thought doing a comparison of other rts like sins of solar, Stellaris, to superm commander I know two of them are considere 4x RTS
@judasromo94073 жыл бұрын
There are 100% plans to incorporate other RTS's into this channel. Sins (and a lot of the mods for Sins) and Stellaris are two that I had thought of among a few others like Homeworld and Zero K. The long term plan I have for the channel is to continue a core focus on Sup Com (mostly because it's my favorite), but to have videos for other RTS's that don't have Microsoft funneling millions into marketing (ala AOE2 Definitive) and can be forgotten. Nothing wrong with AOE, but there are a lot of other games in the genre that are masterpieces in their own right and I would like to give them the love they deserve.
@TheDuelist3 жыл бұрын
Are any of the above mentioned games comparable to sup com?
@austinstoner62702 жыл бұрын
@@austinstoner6270 they are little bit complicated and slow in the beginning but fun
@judasromo94072 жыл бұрын
@@judasromo9407 I'll have to check them out. Thx
@austinstoner62702 жыл бұрын
@@TheDuelist "Beyond All Reason" might be an rts to have on the list for the future
fun fact i noticed while reading unit sizes in database: battleships in supcom are 1:1 to real life negth, the size of a battleship irl was somewhere in the range of 270~ meters and thats about the size of supcom battleships, t2 ships are also realistically sized, destroyers being about 150~ meters irl, cruisers are slightly bigger irl at 160~, but still close to accurate
Thank you for another great science video. Great job man! The only thing i would like to point out is that the mentioned battleship interractions happen only when both battleships are in range of one another, but most of the time both of the naval forces stay separate, so in such situation the UEF battleship outmatches even the aeon one, because it can start firing sooner, and you can also kite with it.
The amount of work into a old game is great I need get my pc again and play again
To emphasize just how much battleships are about health and range, the Summit has 130 DPS (according to this video) and the Riptide has 90 DPS (according to the unit db). That's why you still need frigates, the same way you still need T1 PD in firebases.
that's DPS per gun turret, not the whole ship
@@jasonli2474 A Thunderhead frigate does 50 dps with its one gun. A Summit battleship does 3*150=450 dps with its 3 guns. So it does 9× the DPS, but it costs 35.7× the mass -- which is still worth it because it has 5.3× the range, but makes it vulnerable to being rushed. Also, one full Summit volley is 9*1000 damage (every 20 seconds), but a Thunderhead only has 2120 HP, so a battleship shooting a frigate is complete overkill, and thus you need the spam of your own to deal with the little guys.
One particular thing about Battleships is that they don't do "more" damage over T2. Unlike T3 land which makes T2 land obsolete, Navy needs T2 in the mix to function properly. Mass for mass T1 always does more damage in both, but in Navy the mass dps drops significantly at T3.
Same as PD -- the T1 and T2 PDs have essentially the same DPS, but the T2 cost way more mass because of its extra range.
I haven’t even watched this video and I’m already enjoying it
I think one important thing is like he said the galaxy is cheapest, that means not only is it more versatile but you can get more of them, so sure, you'll lose in a battleship 1v1, but it won't be a 1v1.
And for same mass you get 5 galaxies compared to 4 summits.
One thing I would like to have seen was how they each match up vs torpedo bombers 1 to 10-20 for example (uniform testing ofc) for the ones with AA, I can forsee a torpedo bomeer video in the future but that may take a lot of tests or span multiple videos. Regardless good video now i can confirm my WW2 (yes I love that too) Summit remains my favorite.
Summit, in my opinion, is best because of the sheer range it has. Freaking OP, lol. They're meant to be at the back shelling out damage. Can't win if your ship's can't even hit the target cuz it's out of range, lol.
Problem with Summit is they have slow RoF. They have higher range but they lose to the sustained fire of groups of other battleships.
there are also the build time that has his cost a unit that you can get sooner as also there + side
Very true. I forgot about that in the video. I need to incorporate that in the future when I talk about eco impact.
@@TheDuelist That's is something that I only recently comprehend and that why I'm loving the t1 spam because I don't have to spend time teching up. They are a great bank for buck. But when the space become a issue they get out perform byt more expensive tec. I'm may be on the other extreme now >
@@TheDuelist ho! Did you know that if a factory assist a other one they complete the factory assisted queue that is rely helpful to get a balanced army and quick to execute and it work whit different tech factory. Example if you have 2 2t tack and 3 1t artillery and 1t2 factory and 2 t1 factory the t2 factory will make the tanks and the t1 make the artillery
I never see any snow or ice worlds played on faf. I wonder why, they're my favorite.
There may not be as many, but they are definitely out there. Here's one I casted a while back: kzhead.info/sun/pcmnYbSkZ4KBnoU/bejne.html
@@TheDuelist Just an observation, how do the battleships stack against the Neptune? Neptune seems to mimic and be the T3 ''destroyer''
You ever thought doing a comparison of other rts like sins of solar, Stellaris, to superm commander I know two of them are considere 4x RTS
There are 100% plans to incorporate other RTS's into this channel. Sins (and a lot of the mods for Sins) and Stellaris are two that I had thought of among a few others like Homeworld and Zero K. The long term plan I have for the channel is to continue a core focus on Sup Com (mostly because it's my favorite), but to have videos for other RTS's that don't have Microsoft funneling millions into marketing (ala AOE2 Definitive) and can be forgotten. Nothing wrong with AOE, but there are a lot of other games in the genre that are masterpieces in their own right and I would like to give them the love they deserve.
Are any of the above mentioned games comparable to sup com?
@@austinstoner6270 they are little bit complicated and slow in the beginning but fun
@@judasromo9407 I'll have to check them out. Thx
@@TheDuelist "Beyond All Reason" might be an rts to have on the list for the future