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Hey Santee, maybe you could do Dressing the Part: The Mountain Man?
Yup
@@ArizonaGhostriders Hooray!
TwistedKat Gaming Jeremiah Johnson or Hugh Glass cosplay
@@doctorlove3536 Yeah!
Yes please
Never thought a video on shirts could be interesting. Nicely done, Santee.
Hey, thanks!
@@ArizonaGhostriders You're Welcome.
Since we see talking about shirts now we need know about pants
I did one on pants and trousers.
@@ArizonaGhostriders can you do one on medicines and cures in the old wild west
@@ArizonaGhostriders I can't find the pants video could someone post the link?
Thank you again Santee . Like a lot of Americans I'm going through a hard time right now , but your videos ALWAYS cheer me up. Thank you for sharing this with all of us , please don't ever stop.
Glad to hear it!
They have plenty of those button down shirts in Valentine.
Western movies also depict a bunch of them.
They were pretty classy, honestly. We get to see a show!! Whoohoo! Thanks for allowing us to see that. I’ll be looking forward.
I wish see a show like that, and with helping others as a purpose better still don't you think?
@@marcosaraiva9205 I do!
Thanks! They will appreciate it.
Marco Saraiva sure do!
LOL - I was wondering if Bones would talk, but you finally got to say it!
He can't speak...but for second you were wondering if he'd say my line...right? Mwwwahahaha!
We watched as a family... I was going to say, " you ought to wear the "Seinfield shirt" during a show on clothes. But you would'nt be able to film it, no one could stop laughing at you. 😛
HAAH!
Been waiting on this... For over 2 hours done and got yard mowed, truck is checked, and now Arizona Ghostriders and go fix the tire on the car busy day...
Had a late upload. Sorry for the delay.
I was splitting wood, pulled a wheel to check the brake and brushed my Shepherd. I was way late for this.
Another well researched video! I appreciate the time you put into your work! As Always...
I appreciate that
Thanks for the history lesson about shirts in the Old West, Santee !!!!!!!!!!
Our pleasure!
Best part of my weekend
Thank you!
Good Santee I learned something new today thanks 👍👊😎🤠 I was smoking a cigar watching this good times 👊🤠 🤠 LATTER PARD 🤠 🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅
Thanks much, Darin!
Great video , my wife and I enjoyed it. Thanks. JT
Glad you enjoyed it
Santee please, please, could you do a dressing the part of the Doctor?
yes.
Whoda thought shirts had an evolution! Very interesting. Looking forward to the Pistoleros video.
Much appreciated.
Shirt evolution goes all the way back to linen undertunics in ancient times, although they didn't change much from the late medieval period until about the 1850s.
I had a chance to get to the Wild West Mercantile store before the quarantine hit and got myself a good shirt and a few other old west things.
Glad to hear it.
I've been working on a collection of Old West-ish shirts, thanks for the great info! Soon my wife will need to get her own closet!
That is awesome!
I have always loved collared shirts. I wish formality still existed in the modern world.
Whatever works for ya
I hope they get the funding they deserve. Look forward to the live stream. Hope you and your family are doing good. God bless you my friend
I hope so too.Thank you so much!!
Love those collarless pullovers and button ups, there's something about them where they look both vintage and futuristic.
yes!
Hey Santee, could you do one on jewelry in the old west. Thanks.
Yes I can
Very Cool. I love those old colorless shirts. Good episode. Thanks my friend.
Thanks for the visit
We got a photo into our shop, looks about 1870/80, it a large family group, lots of half grown boys, on a porch. The interesting thing is the boys shirts, most of them half the half row of buttons, several with mismatched buttons, but a few have laces instead. The ones with laces have a little overlapping placard, it gives the impression their mom was embarrassed to have run out of buttons. I don't know how accurate that is, but it makes a very charming picture! We so often see people in their Sunday best, I love seeing what they would have looked like around the house.
I imagine that is 100% how pioneer life was. It's not like mom had time to sit down and carve buttons out of wood or bone. I would love to see that photo sometime.
Good one, Santee, but detachable collars were often attached using collar studs, as I used to wear them in the 1960s. The other benefit of detachable collars is that you could starch them to make them stiff, and borax them to make them shiny, without making the whole shirt uncomfortable. I used to have 7 collars to one shirt, while the other set were in the laundry. Putting a tie on meant putting the tie in the collar before bending it around the neck and doing up the front stud but, even so, the fold would crack over time. In those cases, poor people would sew a long, narrow patch over the crack, while the better off bought a new collar!
A lot of those shirts used studs down the front instead of buttons as well, just like a proper black tie shirt still does today.
I showed the stud twice in the video for the front. They could be attached in the back with buttons or studs back in the 1800s.
4 radical nudists who really hate clothes gave you a dislike.
Ha!!!
Very true
@@ArizonaGhostriders 😁😁😁
They're from Europe. What can you expect. :-)
Very interesting. I didnt know about the sleeve and collars can be customized. Very cool my friend. Stay safe and blessed my Santee.👍👍👍👍
Thanks for watching
Thanks for the great episode, Santee. Shirts are not boring because they are common. We wear them still and wore them then. Thanks for the info about Pistoleros fundraiser.
True!
The Pistoleros fundraiser is on the 19th?
I always manage to learn something here on Saturday morning. Thanks.🙂
So nice of you
I really enjoyed your video, and I didn't know that older shirts weren't full button down. Thank you for sharing this interesting video.
You are so welcome! Glad you learned something.
Thanks for the new video. I've always been fascinated by western shirts in the movies and looked for them in the store's. Some shirts never looked out of fashion. Show definitely is interesting.
Glad you like them!
Get em Rex!! I also very much enjoyed the clip of Boris Karloff..what a guy!
Thanks!
Your drinking from the Arizona Ghostriders mug at the beginning reminded me that our buddy Squib Load sent me one of the mugs. Inside the mug was an Arizona Ghostriders sticker that he said was from you. I just realized that I never thanked you for it. Thanks for the sticker, Santee, and for the interesting video on shirts!
You're welcome, Rich. I impressed upon Squib to pass it along, and he's a great fella.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Yes, he is. Back in November, him and another friend of ours stopped here on their way to DC to pick me up for the 2nd Amendment rally. If they hadn't, I wouldn't have been able to go. We better not let him know this though, it might go to his head!
As always GhostRiders, another well produced and educational video. Keep up the GREAT work. We’ll see you down the trail.
Much appreciated!
My favorite is the bibbed, or fireman's shirt. I prefer it in gray. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks for watching!
I have two pairs of pullover shirts in white and blue stripes and the 2nd shirt is a navy blue Rough Rider pullover shirt. And I always enjoy watching your great history video reviews on the old Western Frontier.
Thank you!
Very nice and informative video. I‘ve been asking myself for a long time about the truth behind the shirt varieties. I guess I should also not trust every reenactor on that matter. Thanks so much for shading light onto that topic!
Glad it was helpful!
Long live the Pistoleros and Arizona Goat Riders ! Thanks for another good vid Santee !
You misspelled Ghost. Just FYI.
Well, we rode a goat once. ONCE!
Right on!
@@ArizonaGhostriders Seems like it would be a lot easier than trying to ride a ghost. I'm sure Bill has no trouble though.
@@freedomcat I looked it up in the Official Cowboy Jargon Dictionary of 1873 and they spelled it "Sheep Herders" so my bad.
My Birthday is on the 20th. If I lived closer. I would love to celebrate at the event. I hope it will be a huge success! And thanks for doing the shirts episode, Santee and Dirty Dan!
Happy birthday early!
@@ArizonaGhostriders Thank You So Much!
Great video and topic Santee, thank you. Sorry to hear about the Pistoleros, I would love to see one of the shows some day.
Maybe one day
Fantastic job my friend. They need to bring back that button loop on the bottom of the shirt to keep it tucked in that's actually a pretty fantastic idea.
Totally agree....except you may be a bit restricted in the movement category.
Santee, I half expected Mr Bones to interrupt and say see ya on down the trail lol.
Yeah....he ain't got a voicebox (I checked)!
Thanks for message about the show coming up!
You bet!
@@ArizonaGhostriders got my tickets for Saturday VIP see y'all then!
The bib shirt looks good I would like to see it worn again. I have only seen Johnny Cash in pics wearing one in terms of recent.
I see reenactors wear one.
Loved the video santee!! Just wish you could upload more regularly!
Regularly? Every Saturday for almost 4 years is about as regular as I get. Do you mean frequently? If so, I hope to one day...
had no idea that the shirts were diverse yet simple as a performer, you have a connection with those detachable cuffs and collars: the phrase “off the cuff” referred to writing a speech with little notice on your detachable cuffs. the cloth ones gave way to cheap paper ones that you changed daily, which the speech was written on. the only ones who might have used those back in the day were the wealthy in the cities but they slowly made their way west by the 1890s into the turn of the century
Interesting, that term was first used in print in 1936. Quite a bit after the Old West but very fascinating. Thanks.
@@ArizonaGhostriders context is key: why he did it was to show he was speaking without any preparation at all, but to have done that means it had to have been common for years before then he was a vaudeville performer before movies, it was a move that wasn’t known to outsiders until he did it but it had to have been done a lot by others as nobody said it was something new or never done
Make Bibbed Shirts Great Again! Also love the editing, great for a laugh.
Thank you!
The 4 thumbs down are from people who don’t wear shirts.
Ha!! Yes!
Another Excellent one good job thanks for the new video 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Such a Great Show !!!!!
Thank You!
Nice!But my favorite is the vest episode in this series by far.Love the puffy shirt,Seinfeld is my favorite show
Thank you!
Can always count on your guys’ videos for quality. Love you guys!
Glad to hear it!
Hi Santee interesting topic id not of thought of.. its always interesting hearing about everything no matter what it is..thanks mate most appreciated
My pleasure!
@@ArizonaGhostriders + :) I totally use to rock custom-made tops with the big cuffs etc., id totally wear so many of these., hearing the progression etc of such is wickedly cool :)
I too like the full blousy sleeve look. In fact I wear those type of shirts a lot and at 77 I’m no longer am in reenacting. Truly enjoy your work here, keep it up. I buy cheap shirts at The J Peterman Company website (highly over priced on most items), click on men’s shirts and carefully look for the blousy sleeve ones. Sometimes if you catch them on sale I bought them anywhere fro $18 - $48. This is not a commercial.
The shirt I showed in the button section is a J. Peterman! Awesome.
I was just there - no blousy sleeve shirts at this time. :-(
@@bigbill2444 I just check and there are two. One is the Otavalo Mountain Shirt (I have one and don't particularly like it), the other is the J Peterman Shirt (I have several of these and like them). Both at $24 now. That will change because they are usually $48
@@bigbill2444 YES, it's called the J Peterman shiirt: www.jpeterman.com/item/msh-2986/100100100/the-j-peterman-shirt
@@normangerring4645 That's more like it. Except, I'm not extra small or medium.
I love the west and your videos
Well, Thank you!
As a CW reenactor, one VERY nice thing about the blousy sleeves is that help keep you cooler... less sweaty fabric clinging to you. I personally prefer a thin flannel to muslin or cotton as it tends to wick sweat off me and has less of that clammy feel. YMMV Buttoning the shirt to the trousers seems like it would be more trouble than it's worth. Trousers were meant to fit loosely, being held up with galluses or suspenders. Yes, some dandy fellahs had more fitted trousers, but that was less common.
Here's some information you might find useful. A linen shirt will keep your skin about five degrees cooler than a shirt that is identical in every way except being made of cotton. Also, I've only ever seen that tab on fancy dress shirts.
Yeah, my blousy shirts are linen and cotton. Love 'em and wear em in the summer. The plackard with the button was not rare, but it was reserved for dress shirts (real formal stuff).
Well you did it again.... Great job, it was very informative and to the point. As always you leave me with wanting more. Thanks Just Bill
My pleasure!
WOW, SHIRTS OF THE OLD WEST STILL WORN TODAY
Hell yeah
Pullover shirts for outdoor work wear never went out of style in Australia. Some of the best available on today's market are still made there.
great vid, thanks Cheese!! Really looking forward to the live stream.. hoping those guys get back on their feet soon !! We went out last night and had dinner (inside ! which is a big deal here in Cal) at our favorite restaurant, and it was busy.... I think people are ready for entertainment :-)
I hope so too!
Me too. I never see open front shirts in old photographs before 1900. John Wayne wore pull overs and sometimes open front in old West films. Some tv shows and movies are careful and others just get it done.
It always bothered me in the movie Unforgiven that Gene Hackman didn't have on a pullover.
I have a homespun shirt I wear. Really comfortable. Nice one!
Thank you! Wear that shirt with pride.
Arizona Ghostriders, I think I’ve seen some of the Pistoleros on another Channel. A. President from M.C. was at one of their shows.
They do such family friendly, high energy shows.
In regards to the blue flannel bib front shirt, in the 19th century, flannel usually refers to the wool version of that fabric, so that shirt is most likely wool.
Most likely.
Wow, there were way more shirt types than I realized, but I guess we only think about the ones that we see in the westerns.
Yup!
Hey Santee, have you ever watched german western movies such as 'Winnetou' and 'The treasure in the Silver Lake' and other adaptions from books by Karl May? Maybe you could do a video about western movies from other countries sometimes? I'm from Dresden and Karl May was from Radebeul which is nearby. There's still a huge fanbase based here and also some living history groups not at least because they built a museum where he once lived. Greetings from Germany and thanks for sharing your passion for the old west. You're videos are one of my weekly highlights!
I'll look into these! Thanks.
Great Video Santee!
Glad you enjoyed it
Well, now I finally know why the fellas in so many of those old-timey photos look like they just got done tucking their shirts into the front of their pants: the special buttonhole. By gosh, I learned something here again!
Mwahahaha!! Sneaking history in like a parent sneaking vegetables to their kids.
"No. I ordered a boiled SHIRT!!! *SHIRT!!!* NO I DON'T WANNA TRY IT ON ANYWAYS!!!!!"
LOL!
Santee, I make virtually all my own gear. Buckaroo Bobbins is my go to. Most of my shirts I make from calico or un bleached muslin.
Very impressive. That's a good company for patterns.
I've always liked the look of Cavalry bib shirts. I've got two made by Scully that I've been happy with so far.
Me too.
@@ArizonaGhostriders, thanks for the episode, Santee! 👍
Fun fact for you sir, the bib front shirt was originally invented in the 1850s as firefighter gear. It allowed them to fight fires without wearing a vest for more freedom of movement while hiding the button placard so they weren't considered naked.
@@Devin_Stromgren, I didn't know that.
I was told once that the shirts with full buttons where used by Politicians and not available Nationwide because people didn't buy a lot of clothing back then. Politicians needed the shirts in case they had a heart attack or something. Politicians, Allegedly not much different than now felt they are more important than anyone else in the country.
Those shirts really weren't around in the West until the turn of the century. I agree, politicians probably do feel more important. Notice they are getting the vaccine in the first rounds?
Another great video!
Glad you like them!
Ya got to say your line!! Once in a millennium is a good run. . .
If the skeleton had a voicebox, he would have interrupted.
Shopping for one today actually! Went with the stripes. Must be a dollar a stripe haha!
HAHA!
Santee, I think I asked this a bit ago but my memory fails me often. Mind if you can do a video one day the Walker Revolver and or Dragoon? Thanks a bunch.
Will do.
Cool....shirts!✌️👍
Thanks 👍
hey santee could you do somethin more about trains? -georg geffken
Sure.
That would be really cool! Before trains, the vast majority of people lived and died within 50 miles of where they were born. Trains (or where they went, actually) could determine if a town lived and grew, or withered up and died. Trains opened up a whole new world of goods brought in from great distances (including, of all things, fresh oysters, shipped in barrels full of ice); Sears, Roebuck & Co. shipped whole houses (knocked down, of course, and flat-packed, just like Ikea).
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Hey Santee, I was curious if they used powdered snuff in the old west and if they did would you possibly be able to do a video on it? Thanks Peter V.
Snuff was out of popularity by then. Chew was the deal.
@@ArizonaGhostriders ok nice to know that Santee, thanks a bunch for the 411 on that subject. Much appreciated. I'll see ya on down the trail 🤠
Hey @Santee could you do a video on belts (not the ones used for holding a pistol but the ones that go through the belt loops) and what types of buckles were used?
There were no belt loops. Watch my episode on pants.
I love your channel
Thank you!
Thanks Santee
Any time!
Another awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video Santee
Glad you enjoyed it, Led. I'm still jeaous of your PitBoss!
I have a few videos on my channel about detachable collars. Even cut a real one from the 1800's open and showed how they were made. Also showed the process of starching them.
I will go and watch.
fun to watch, as always. (While watching my own video uploading. Helps pass the time.)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hey santee yet another great video I’ve also got a quick question were straw hats very common because I want to get into living history but don’t have very many hats
They were more common than people think!
Thank you so much I wasn’t very sure
Hey Santee! I always see Australian Westerns like Man from Snowy River and other movies (Quigley Down Under). Could you do one one ranching and outlaws in the Outback?
Possibly! I've been asked by some subs to do outlaws in that area.
Another great episode buddy stay safe
Hey Rob! How ya been???
Arizona Ghostriders i’m doing great bro couldn’t be better got a trip planned for Joliet Illinois in two weeks going to be doing an investigation there with a bunch of a KZhead friends of mine
Hey Santee, great vid!!!! 😍 Can you do one on stuffed animals in the Old West saloons? You always see them nowadays, movies or entertainment parks, but how were they preserved back then? Were they really that common on the frontier in saloons? Thank you so much and keep up the great Show!!!
Yes I can. We will do one on taxidermy
Hi!Great video!So,when was the year that the full button shirts came in wild west?20th century?Earlier?Do we know specifically?
I don't know we'd ever really know.
Good show fam
Appreciate it!
Back in the 1960's they were still selling shirts in the UK with detached collars. One leading shirt manufacturer had a big marketing campaign because each shirt came with two collars. The whole thing ground to a halt when a smaller rival company brought out their range of shirts with the collar attached. They made a big thing about not having to mess about with collar studs any more. This basically lead to the end of the bigger company because they could not compete. They were not in a position to make the shirts with the collars attached.
Great story! Many things from the past is coming back again, and I mean way back in time!
Wow! That is interesting.
You can still find them today. Just gotta sew a button on the back of a shirt.
@@ArizonaGhostriders UK used collar studs which were small and fiddly to use, and you always ended up dropping at least one of them. So you can see why someone selling shirts with collars attached would corner the market. The bigger company just could not change quick enough and did not survive after that.
@@marcosaraiva9205 Not that far back, Marco. 1960's not 1860's
Hey have you ever did one on saddle blankets was just curious if it evolved from an actual blanket to these expensive saddle pads they sell now a days
I'll look into it. Some of the oldest saddles are actually just pads of material, I think.
What was the most common shirt fabric in the hotter areas of the west like texas and the southwest? I've always thought linen would make most sense because it's breathable but I could be wrong
Linen is a sensible material for the southwest. Also cotten.
Wow costume cool 👍
Thank you!
I always have a hard time choosing shirts. I always default to a slim fit white shirt with all my vests. Figure I can't go wrong that way... That is....until they get worn out and dingy. Maybe I'll switch to grey shirts...
LOL! Yes.
Cool video yet again Santee. Could you do a video on the music and songs from that time?, cheers!!
Thanks, I did one on music!
@@ArizonaGhostriders Thanks Santee and sorry to bother you but as I've watched loads of your videos which are awesome I can't remember them all, cheers again.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Thanks Santee and sorry to bother you but as I've watched loads of your videos which are awesome I can't remember them all, cheers again.
Sometimes I can't remember if I've done the video until I look!
Be careful saying "We can do that" around Rita or you might find yourself either in the Seinfeld shirt, or signed up for ballroom dance lessons and doing the Waltz (although that might help with re-enactments.)
It might....hmmm....
You say that like you think ballroom dance lessons would be a bad thing...
@@Devin_Stromgren If Dirty Dan gets wind of it, it would be.
I’ve often read books of the early frontier, before the Mississippi was crossed. They spoke of linsey woolsy shirts. Did they make out west?
I'm surre they did.
Very much so. I've seen them in museums. For the weavers out there, linsey woolsey is a strong, coarse fabric with a linen or cotton warp and a woolen weft. I've seen examples with needlepoint decorations done by womenfolk who obviously had a lot of time on their hands (probably in the winter).
Big Bill thanks dude
Pretty good that a vid about shirts can be made interesting..I think the battle scene in "The Patriot" was roughly based on the battle of "Cowpens" when the old frontiersman Daniel Morgan took the day from the British..Don't think the redcoats had a mascot like that.
Interesting info. Thanks!