All Aboard the James Tour Damage Control Train!
James was not happy with how badly he was humiliated by his intellectual superiors at Harvard, so he is back at it with some damage control! Apart from pretending the Cambridge Round Table was a "debate", and that he somehow "won the debate", his tactic is now to accuse Lee Cronin of hype and plagiarism with the help of Hector Zenil, a mediocre scientist with an axe to grind. So let's talk with Lee a bit, so he can refute these accusations, as well as talk about how Jim's "challenge" is completely idiotic. Then, as a special treat, we will hear from Jim's former colleague, Professor Emeritus Andrew Barron, who tells me all about Jim's own misadventures in hype and plagiarism, which as it turns out, are 10 times worse than what he's throwing at Lee. Oh, the irony! Strap in towards the end, it's going to get pretty choppy.
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The horse has already been beaten to death, yet every time it's hit, it again somehow screams "God did it". Truly it is a miracle. Good stuff Dave. This is the kind of push back that gives me hope.
Goohaaaddd diiiddd ittt neerrrhuherr
I understand the metaphor but a horse is so much more intelligent than jimmy (not even sarcasm horses actually are very clever) comparing the two is an insult to horses, also don't beat horses.
Jim Bob is a real Tour de Farce with his science for Jebus.
@@Hundredyacrewoodsin Germany we have the saying "uberlass das Denken den Pferden, die haben den größeren kopf" Meaning "let the horses think, they have the bigger head"
"He's already dead" -Simpson's kid That's what makes it funny
I’m a PhD student at Tour’s home university and it makes me feel embarrassed for my school that we even support this guy at all 😅
It seems he has reached the final resting place of all research scientists, Utter Banality for the Future.
I would recommend that you notify the administration that Tour is making the university look bad, and they might find a way to get rid of him.
@@NazgulGnomeoh, they're well aware
I’m an alumn, and it makes me sooo uncomfortable to see our school embarrassed this way. 😮
@@NazgulGnome It would cost the university more problems (and likely a lawsuit) to get rid of him than just to pretend he's a "nonissue". I've seen it many times. You get rid of him, and he goes to court and says he was fired for his religion. half the time, this nets the claimant hundreds of thousands in damages. University is best off just working around him.
I have to admire Dr. James Tour's debate tactic when it came to drawing two complex molecules and demanding the Professor Dave take the time to draw a solution to how these molecules formed. The last time I took any Biochemistry courses was well over 50 years ago and if I remember correctly to completely diagram all the steps and include all reagents and required to draw all the steps on a blackboard would have taken well over the time limit that Professor Dave had! Honestly it was cheap and dishonest tactic.
The kreb cycle I remember from middleschool science would have taken up the entire debate time, and would be incredible if someone didn't miss at least two steps.
And yet his fans keep bringing it up. Plus it really doesn't address the status of research papers.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrimeThe biggest problem with the DI's fans is that they will deny all papers. They expect the lot of us utter laymen to be able to explain everything about these topics with full confidence.
I was teaching glycolysis and the citric acid cycle to a tutee last week, and pointed out that unless you're studying it for a doctorate you don't need to memorise all of the steps and specific structures. An overview is all you need.
@@ThorDude They're not just denying the papers, they're lying about them just like James. There's one part in the debate where James tried to claim that a paper shows replication and Dave managed to find the exact sentence where they did say replication using a different term. Dave literally pointed to the sentence and James immediately tried to gish gallop to something like not creating RNA. I've tried to point this out several times but the fans don't care.
He seems to think anyone who talks to him is debating him
He's dah masterdebator.
@@spacerat9676 he's a masterbator
I can totally imagine Tour drafting a script for a video on how he totally debunked some atheist out in public, and it would have really just been Tour at the check-out line trying to brag to a very apathetic employee.
Why did you leave this debate comment here for ME??
@@franktheexpertstrenchclub9025imagine Tour when the speaker in the Macdonalds drive thru asks for his order
My goodness, Dr Cronin has a superhuman kindness and even patience for nosebleeds like Jim-Jim. Jim-Jim shouts in his face, and Lee calmly says, “I don’t agree, but you do you, bro.” Impressive.
Teachers have to be super human so as not to murder their students on the daily… (I do realize a Harvard professor isn’t exactly a “teacher”, but for the sake of my joke, just roll with it please…)
to also then do actual research properly according to the scientific method ,thats the kind of decorum that is how to show there still is hoppe for your species or civilization
Jim is a Bully. A very unstable bully. People ho hides behind the "voice of reason" usually cant really see themselves and how their behave is flat out hatefull.
James Tour is the lolcow I’ll never get tired of laughing at. The man finds unique and different ways to embarrass himself over time. It’s almost innovative.
Isn’t that true. You have to work hard at repeatedly making a fool of yourself over the same thing.
"...almost innovative." XD
James Tour is a master debater.
I almost got sick of him because of all the screaming like a child, but hearing that he's trying to act like he doesn't do that is hilarious. He really is the gift that keeps giving.
I was today years old when i learned that word "lolcow". Had to look it up too. Thanks random internet dude.
There must come a point where his university realises he's a liability and students are avoiding his department. Once they see they're losing money because Tour is damaging their reputation he won't be there for long.
Can’t happen soon enough.
@mjjoe76 The guy is entitled to his beliefs but not to force them into his subject and most especially not to lie about his peers, his subject and work that others have done. I'm surprised that it hasn't come back to bite him but I'm sure it will do sooner or later.
I have to wonder if he has tenure protecting him.
I would imagine that the only reason he’s still there is they’re in desperate need for scienctists with legitimate degrees, and it’s hard to find scientists with legitimate degrees that are willing to slander science to push their agenda.
@@dross4207 I'll bet money that if he misgendered someone he'd be out of the door in minutes.
Dave listening to Lee: looks like a university student listening to a lecture James listening to Hector: literally Tucker Carlson
Resting confused face
That explains why I was so mad at Tour on the Harvard Round Table. He had resting confused face, while anyone else moderately competent who could have been sitting in that seat would have been having an interesting conversation, asking interesting questions, critiquing and responding and seeking clarification and enlightenment from the others. Ya know, being part of the round table, not looking confused and or bored.
@@phillyphakename1255He was trying to not be aggressive. He said it himself ' he will not talk unless asked to'. His discovery channel team probably felt embarrassed at how aggressive he was on the university debate so they told him to put up a cornered, innocent little rabbit act. So as to contradict his performance at the university. If you think about it, it is nothing more than a stunt from his handlers trying to damage control. He is the face of their company so they need him to be sympathetic and sellable to bring in more believers.
@@captainp.2721That certainly could be the case, but why accept a panel as well? Also, regardless of whether it was a plan, it was dishonestly done to avoid any possible consequences for the creationist antics he’s known for.
@@PersonalUseOfUrMum Tour is basically their PR person, the face of their company. In today's world younger generation are increasingly skeptical and smarter. They don't believe in hocus pocus. They believe in facts. So having Tour, a scientist and a believer tell them facts in their mind would get more people to join their cult. That's what I get from all of this. They try to keep Tour relevant and since preaching lost it's edge they try " science preach" with him. It's all manipulation.
Damn, Dave, that was brutal. And thoroughly enjoyable, as always. The Harvard video was a real eye opener. People there were extremely kind to Tour, but the overall message was "please, dude, you have to stop doing this, you're embarassing yourself and you may be discouraging people from entering a valid field of scientific research". Near the end, where he goes almost teary-eyed about his imaginary friend, you can almost hear people thinking "damn, this dude is crazy". Watching this video, I see that Lee Cronin is still being too kind to Tour. I get it; after all, any disagreements on scientific matters can be (and eventually are) resolved in the primary literature. But Tour is not simply disagreeing with origin of life researchers; if he was, he would publish his objections and have them peer reviewed. He's moved from trash talking to what essentially can be described as libel. And he won't stop. Unless he's somehow made to stop, he will never stop, because he's a fanatic. Did his buddies at the DI stop after being literally humiliated and exposed at the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial? No, they go on stronger than ever, although it was proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they were conspiring to bring religion into the classroom. Tour won't stop either. And, frankly, I don't see how he could be stopped. Rice isn't doing it, and the scientists he's defaming are too busy doing their job to actively do something. This is why we need people like Dave (and Aron, and so many others). If creationists won't stop peddling their anti-science, at least their anti-science gets to be exposed for what it is. And I can't thank Dave enough for doing this.
@@adamwalker3560 I am quite pessimistic about the cease and desist. There's absolute certainty in my mind that this is religiously motivated slander, but meeting the legal requirements to establish it as such seems much less certain; it would need something as strong as the wedge document to prove that this is designed to attack science and scientists. Moreover, we know that playing the victim is a permanent tactic of those people on every level, and no doubt they will play this to their benefit ad nauseam.
Well said. I agree that I doubt not have much confidence in any cease and desist order. Several religious people have been exposed as frauds or liars and they get away with it. I think that it is better to educate people to the point where religion is discarded. It seems bleak but we are heading in the correct direction. For example, AronRa's debunk of Genesis Apologetics is the first thing that pops up when you search for their videos. People are eventually going to see the light of reason if we support people like Dave or Aron.
I really admited "Dr." Tour's brilliant points he made recently, including the following brilliant, peer-reviewed insights, such as: "AHHHHHHHH MR FARINA!" and who could forget his groundbreaking commentaries, such as: "AHHHH CLUELESS!" I can see why the Discovery "Institute" stakes their reputation on brilliant innovative "scientists" like this man, and Casey Luskin and probably Kent Hovind.
And for those of us who remember him, William Dembski and his fart video.
It's kind of sad as James Tour is a good scientist in his field of study.
@@briannyob7799 Which field? Did you watch the end of this video?...
Hey, i will NOT have you dunk on the great Kent Hovind. The guy is a strawberry-amoeba expert and he ALWAYS pays his taxes!!!
@captainp.2721 He taught in an esteemed boarding school for 20 years. He then got his doctorate at Harvard in 5 seperate fields. Abiogenesis, Quantum Physics, Geology, Evolution Theory, And Business and Marketing. Now, he teaches people FOR FREE on KZhead that the scientic world is a scam! He built a truth museum showing that humans and dinosaurs DID live together. If it's not real, why are there models for it, huh? HUH? You can't show me the data!!! Because there is none!!!
"Dave can't read papers." says the chemistry "Ph.D." who can't read an NMR spectrum.
I get absolutely giddy whenever a new James Tour response video drops. It’s like X-mas each time!
Almost as good as Aron Ra and his Hovind Ones.... Altho him Vs Speaker of the House....
I'll literally never have enough of James Tour response videos. Been around since before the very first response(s) and I feel just as excited to see them on my feed each time
I get way too excited lol I was waiting for something new and even looked yesterday and now here it is woohoo!
I think I've actually developed an unhealthy fetish for them.
It's been quite the journey
James Tour must be influenced by necromancy if he's able to come back constantly after being slaughtered
😂😂😂
It's kind of pathetic that James continues to do this. If I were in his shoes, I would die out of embarrassment.
He feels embarrassed, but narcissists who crave the spotlight are incapable of just going away quietly 😂
@@alexanderingraham8255 Just like Trump. EXACTLY like Trump, in fact.
James isn't just "CLUELESS!" but "SHAMELESS!"
Sunk cost fallacy i guess
And here you are watching professor Dave videos 😂
Just want to say, as fun as debunking of James Tour is, Lee Cronin is an absolute legend. His approach (even to people who openly criticise him) is superb and his ability to explain complex topics is incredible. He is even humble enough to admit where the problems are with his work and that he will continue to refine it.
Mr Dave exposed James tour so hard 😂 It is needed though, I am a high school student who didn't know any better and believed James and all of the stuff he said. Saw a vid by proffesor Dave and I see why James gets laughed at.
It is not slander if it is true. James Tour is a liar, that is a fact.
There is no slander in here. Just facts.
@@ProfessorDaveExplains I am sorry enghlish isn't my first language and I didn't know the difference.
Exposed? I thought it was an evisceration!
@@ProfessorDaveExplains Hi Dave, thank you for all your work! Unfortunately, we have a James Tour here in Brazil where I live. He is called Marcos Eberlin and he is constantly using his credentials in an unrelated field (in the case of James Tour, material science and nanotechnology, in his case, analytical chemistry) to spread misinformation like Young Earth Creationism and denial of evolution. He actually believes that the Earth was created in 6 literal days, that it's 6000 years old and that there was a vegan T Rex on Noah's ark. Fun fact: along with other science communicators here in Brazil, we're offering a money prize, similar to the prize which was offered by the late James Randi, to whomever can come in a livestream and present scientific evidence which refutes evolution. So far, nobody has come forth 😁
Will James ever stop, because he doesn’t look like it?
Hopefully not, Dave's content wrecking him is solid gold.
his ego wont allow it
@@hiderchrishop Exactly. He is like me a few years ago as a teenager, where I would keep arguing back and forth in a youtube comment with someone no matter how dumb it was. Now, I will argue if more things are brought to the table or if I'm in the mood to screw with some extremist, other than that though, after a reply or two, I just tell the person to have a great life. It really isn't worth it to argue on youtube most of the time.
Hey at some point, we all stop
We are talking about creationists here, they will never stop.
Professor Dave - wonderful content. There is one thing I am unsure anyone caught during the roundtable discussion. There was a brief moment when Tour was speaking about Jesus, and he entered a state of religious ecstasy. To me it appeared he became completely unaware of the people seated at the table and his general surroundings as he spoke "my Jesus". He will never lose the astounding ability to say the screeching screeds during your debate with him never happened or calling legitimate fields of study rip-offs/stupid never happened.
That’s a good observation and I think I remember that too. Seems like there’s definitely something a bit deeper going on when he drifts off like that.
Thia whole James Tour saga has been an absolute treat, never seen such a CLUELESS guy in my life.
Dave won a while ago; this is housekeeping and victory laps at this point, and I’m here for it!
A hot-headed chemist named James Tour. He loves to teach, but he loves one thing more: Lyin' Round The World!
Loves to preach*** fixxed that for ya
With his trusty sidekick, Lil tugger
46:18 Professor Dave's content is what made me acutely aware of something I had only previously had an inkling of: the 'accuse others of doing the things I actually do' tendency of people like Tour. I don't even know if it's conscious or not, but it really does seem like those who lie can only assume others are doing the same, those who scam can only assume others are scamming too; like they can't imagine other people doing differently than themselves.
It's called projection. Everyone does it. You, being forthright and reasonable, give others the benefit of the doubt. You anticipate that they are like-minded and expect a reasonable response. It is only when you realize that you are not getting one, that you THEN reformulate your assessment. Unfortunately, the person in the reverse case is incapable/unwilling to make any such adjustment. It would cause too heavy a case of cognitive dissonance.
@@lreadlResurrected To be fair, I kinda don't give people the benefit of the doubt anymore. Oh sure, I used to, yeah. But now my main assumption is that I can't assume anything. I work with what is given and actionable, understanding that I may be receiving 'less than reasonable' from those around me but only caring insofar as it affects my ability to make decisions and take actions. Yet simple projection doesn't seem to be enough for the 'accuse them of the things I'm guilty of' person. It's a step removed, I think, because it goes from an internal assessment to an external social action. "How dare Lee do this thing that I have done? How can he justify doing this thing that I have justified doing?" Far from being an avoidance of cognitive dissonance, it feels closer to an embrace; as if it's treated as a sign of being right instead of a warning of being wrong.
@@etch-e-sketch4051I believe its a common behaviour in narcissists.
@@adamwalker3560 Its interesting that you bring up roleplaying. I myself have played a character (Barovia campaign) who started out decent but became more twisted as the story went on because the setting is so messed up. In a fictional setting, whether playing a game or writing a book, I think an otherwise good person can put themselves in a bad person's mindset not because of duality or hypocrisy but because there is a certain logic to all human action and it just takes understanding to emulate it. That a good person _would_ emulate it is due to the inconsequential nature of the game or story - there are no real world or actual consequences; its just an expression of our brains doing the thing our brains are best at doing, modeling. People like Tour aren't emulating though. Or if they are, they're emulating the good person part, which might actually be how I should be considering it. Either way, thanks for the thought provoking comment.
@@adamwalker3560are white-knights typically seen as being good people?
If Jim is mis-representing a scholar's work to the degree a lawsuit is required, the tenure committee of Rice should be taking action.
Apologists always, always confuse the falsifiability of theories with a positive argument for their special favorite unprovable sumerian-derived metaphysical-ethical ideology.
MISTER FARINA! ZERO! "I aint screaming ma man"
“That’s not screaming, that’s just me being passionate”
Holy sh*t, didn't expect the plagiarism bit. Great work Professor Dave.
James is like that person that keeps putting in a hand in the fire even though they get burnt every time. His ego won’t allow him to stop. 🤦♂️
An important detail to add is that he claimed to be fireproof beforehand
@@mal0561yes !!! 😂
Pure Arrogance and performance.
Damn, so Tour contacted a random that kinda spoke to Cronin via email that one time years ago just to discredit him. Who is Tour going to bring next? That one guy he owed £5 when they were kids and never paid back?
Don't give him ideas.
I really hate how much I enjoy watching people make fun of the stupid that is Tour
Nah, Jimmy Tour is a bad person. It's one thing to debate and insult Dave, who's able to monetize Jimmy's terrible behavior; it's another thing entirely to be so rude and condescending to Lee, a working scientist operating at the highest levels of science. No need to hate seeing him get taken down a peg or two!
😂 Guilty pleasure
@@adamwalker3560 No, that is NOT what is happening here. what is happening is abuse by those claiming to be religious, who instead are just being extortionist to gain popularity and money by means other than being faculty. This country has bowed down the mere IDEA of being religious as a total protection from libel itself. You see it everywhere in america now. it has nothing to do with "political correctness" which is not now, nor EVER HAS BEEN a real thing. Stop watching Fox News.
You could switch to watching people make fun of Ray Comfort and Ken Ham if you want.
@@cherryannjoseph3671 No, the evidence does that already.
Glad I decided to re-watch the other videos right before you released this one. Zenil should be ashamed that he even associated with James. James shouldn't be working in any university after the stunts he's pulled; That level of plagiarism that seemingly got pushed under the rug is something that would easily get a student thrown out for academic dishonesty. I was under the impression that -even Christian- universities like Rice still had standards to who they let represent them. There needs to be a time when James is forced to become a preacher and not a scientist.
@@adamwalker3560 Seminary isn't required for lay preaching or a great many of the people who call themselves "pastors", at least in the US.
And I don’t even think Rice is a religious institution.
@@JJPMaster You're right it isn't. This is even more mind boggling.
@@adamwalker3560if you're comparing Tour to preachers, he's probably at the level of Greg Locke. Certainly on the "level of shoutiness".
@@Forest_Fifer Good point.
“Wake up babe, Prof. Dave just dropped another diss track to intellectually draw and quarter Tour”
Very few people are willing to fight disinformation on a level like this. Appreciate you, Professor Dave.
Ah, a new James Tour breakdown by Professor Dave - just what I needed to get the weekend started off right! Don't let the Discovery Institute off the hook and keep 'em coming!
"Plagiarism, Hype and Fraud", the three words that describe both james and elon
It's rather pitiful the Discovery institute can't find a better orator... Dr. Cronin manages to sum up 20-minute segments of Tour's rants in single paragraphs, without even sounding particularly condescending. His humility in this matter makes Dave's savage beatdown all the spicier! Keep up the good work, and thanks for bringing on "your *favorite counselor* on origin of life!" 😁😁
I would say that this horse has been beaten to death, but since it refuses to stop moving in the wrong direction, apparently it’s neither died nor learned its lesson.
This was absolutely amazing Dave! Im extremely impressed with how articulate this video was and hope it furthers the desire for the general public to want more on Origins of life research!
10:50 Was kinda just listening to this in the BG but suddenly he starts talking about my specialty topic and you got ALL of my attention. For those curious, Lempel-Ziv and Huffman Coding form the basis of virtually all modern compressed data storage, including the ubiquitous zip files and pngs. The way it works is it looks for sections of data that are identical and assigns it to a table, replacing the data itself with a reference to that table entry. Huffman coding is used to assign the shortest key possible to a given chunk of data, and when decompressing the data, it reads a key, looks it up in the table, and outputs that entry's value, repeating until the whole file has been decompressed back to it's original representation. Love stuff like this.
Sloots Digital Lossless Compression System, store that data in the analog
Me: Me:
No matter what comes out, people who think like James Tour will never change their minds. No evidence will ever be enough which is so rich when you think about how many baseless claims the creationists believe in. The mental gymnastics are gold medal material, honestly.
True, but exposing science denial hopefully keeps people from believing charlatans like James Tour. Denying science is harmful to society.
100% agree
How Tour can slander others with claims of which he is guilty and not expect this to come back and bite him is beyond belief. Keep up the good work!
I can't believe I'm still not tired of this. I love that others are joining in, especially other academics and even James' colleagues. I don't think I'll get bored of James Tour's antics any time soon, it somehow keeps getting worse.
The plaigirism bit at the beginning was so far out of left field that I thought it was just his roght-wing politics showing again (e.g., like during the debate Q and A where he said if you don't like being yelled at, that's a problem with your generation). But then with your treatment of his paper it is just another example that every accusation is a confession.
...that sounds like something I heard on 'countdown'...🤔
Thanks! Ugh. Not even 6 minutes in and I'm already tired of James again. I'll watch it but only in pieces. Thanks, Dave.
Just another example of “every accusation is a confession” when dealing with dishonest actors.
Tour really is the gift that keeps on giving. Every time I think there'd be nothing left to respond to, he decides "You know what? Professor Dave needs more KZhead views."
Thank you, Dave, for giving Andrew Barron a means to expose James' fraudulence. I wonder how long he was waiting to do that, but held back due to academic courtesy or to avoid possibly discrediting an otherwise respectable university for hiring and granting tenure to a dishonest hack.
As a software engineer major, the way creationists try to hijack our terms is dumbfounding to me since dna isnt the same as coding. Coding is all logic and sequential, from what i remember from highschool biology and what I have heard online its far from being the same thing. compression in computer science is about disregarding unnecessary data and the computer can figure out the complete data by comparing the data next to the data disregarded in order to reconstruct the data or use a key that to replace the redundant data. Just because they think that computer science boils down to a combination of binary numbers its the same as combining different sequence (not the same as sequential) of the proteins in a DNA. Which is also stupid since in computer science its binary and DNA isnt binary at all.
I love when Dave is humble and admits his ignorance in certain fields. He is educated, but not an expert in this field, and yet he brings in help and still conveys an accurate message. Dave knows his position and mission, and he helps the scientists do their job. Thank you Dave.
That Harvard video was so funny. He just looked like a kid who was sitting at the grown up table on Thanksgiving for the first time ever.
He was so out of his depth I'm amazed he didn't drown in the soup.
It genuinely boggles my mind how many people call themselves Christians, when they clearly haven’t read or internalized the words of Jesus. That inclusion of Matthew 7:5 at the end was truly inspired.
"I like to just shout out regular names attached to numbers. They don't know any better than i do if those are real." -Braydon 4:20
Oh this good timing, pizza is on the way. Rated 5 stars before I've even watched this. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Are you a time traveler? YT hasn't had stars since I was a youngling, just the thumbs up/down oversimplified nonsense.
@@ThorsDecree I make my own rules. And yeah I also travel through time. But mainly the first thing.
@@richghost2897lol
perfect timing, new video right when i open youtube. this is gold
James Tour is a good example of karma in action, and he is getting treated as he treats others.
Here before the comment blows up
Oh hi there 😂 I wasn't expecting to see you here.
that's not karma nor does it exist but okay
@@spybird5870 Please think about how James is going around attacking people but then pouts when he is attacked in return? You reap what you sow in this world, he's definitely a product of his own actions, and it does fit karma definition.
Looking a lot like the villain of a story of biblical retribution. Good thing he's blind enough to that truth to continue generating content lmao.
Ouch! Out of all the videos you've done absolutely obliterating James and his malicious agenda... this one presents a whole different level of exposure. I have a feeling he's gonna have a really tough time trying to dig himself out of this one. Incredible work, as always, Dave!
The distruction of fraud Tour continues, absolutely brilliant! Thank you Prof. Dave! 💪🏻
Hitting Jim with the bible quote at the end was genius 🤣
If I ever meet James Tour, I'll have to thank him for giving you so much entertaining content. I'm always up to gawk at the Tour trainwreck.
"Some beating of dead horses may be ethical, when here and there they display unexpected twitches that look like life."
Fascinating discussion. I have to thank James Tour for helping me to learn how far OOL research has advanced. Lee is a really engaging talker, and you can see a great intellect at work.
Lee Cronin seems like a pretty stand up guy. Definitely the kind of scientist I’d love to sit down and have a coffee with
You mean to say that James is a hypocrite, a fraud and a liar? 😮 How shocking!
I think one of the most indicative parts of this whole exchange is when, in your debate, James asked about a process and you presented a scientific paper. James then held up a marker and screamed at you to draw it on the board “Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!” To these people, a cartoon holds more explanatory power than a published research paper in an academic journal. These are people who never graduated past the Bill Nye phase of their science education. They can’t read or understand scientific papers, but they love pop science cartoons. They’re laymen who enjoyed science enough to get way in over their heads, and once they stopped understanding what was being said they got angry. They always loved science as a kid and their mom told them they were super smart, so it can’t be that they just aren’t able to understand. No, it must be because everyone else is wrong and lying to them.
"Half of it (the paper James had to retract) was plagiarized and the other half was bullshit." -- this is pure gold!
Lee is so cool. I love how he's essentially just respectfully saying "I don't wish them ill will. I just want them to stop lying about me." I know so little about Computer Science, Chemistry, and Biology but it's really interesting to hear the science and general concepts. James Tour is such a clown. These new insights into his past are really eye-opening. It makes so much sense.
Prof Lee Cronin is a total genius. I was fascinated by everything he had to say. I would really like to watch an interview where he explains some of his papers. His use of comp-sci theory in organic chemistry is really cool. Forget about Jim Tour I say!
Luckily, it _does_ make for great content. At first, I was worried; after the fever pitch of the live debate, I thought "surely it can only go downhill from here!" - into one of: milquetoast faux-conciliation; scattered ad-hominem sniping; or complex, technical debate too high-flown to fit well on KZhead. Boy, was I wrong. After the embarrassing showing at the "debate", #3 was already pretty clearly out, and #1 wasn't looking so likely either... ...but instead of slinking back to the fawning and chittering of his capering servants (simple creatures no match for his twisted glamours) hailing him as conquering hero regardless... Dr. Tour took the bolder route - and flung wide the gates to his treasury of ineptitude! See as he unstintingly proffers the choicest harvests from _decades_ of intensely-cultivated ignorance! It is not often we are thrown such a rich banquet. Mocking laughter again flows freely as water along our parchèd throats, wherein before the foul Doctor's incantation _("PhD, PhD! published! Nature! real chemist!")_ had left only choking dust. ···---······---······---······---······---··· Now, let us join hands in gratitude as we settle in to watch Dr. J.T. tiptoe around with large boxes of ACME® TNT, practice swinging comically-massive mallets, and hold whispered conferences with some sort of deformed coyote. (Maybe this time, it _won't_ blow up in his face! Any takers...? No?) Truly, his work is the fertilizer in which the savage roses of Dave's merciless take-downs can attain to truly monstrous heights. *I love it.*
Right on my birthday :D Thanks, Dave! What we see here is the war between science and religion, and Dave is actually doing a massive service to mankind by showing what is going on, that religious zealots *are* an important problem. ...and, actually, even if JT's religious BS doesn't cause him any trouble, getting exposed for actual plagiarism might indeed put a big fat stop to his career. However, in that case, he becomes a martyr and it might actually cause more damage, since, well, his followers probably wouldn't turn away from him, if it turned out that he was performing non-consensual abortions as a hobby. I feel like this kinda comes down to death being the ultimate anti-meme, possibly with the exception of suffering. Atheists are typically largely at peace with the idea o (I would assume so, at least), while christians are not - therefore any challenge to their religion not only directly attacks them via the attachment to the worldview they've invested so much into, but the mere idea of it being false validates their fear of death. The problem is, though, that death is so much of an anti-meme, that it will be lucky that this comment gets public - algos are quite likely to be really sensitive on this stuff, which makes de-anti-meme-ing the concept more difficult. Religion is not a problem, it is a symptom of a collective problem with humankind. Fear of death/being dead is at least a part of that problem. However, with me merely stating that, someone will see something like "we must want to die to solve this", which is absolutely not the message I am trying to communicate, that would likely be their fear talking. I think letting a child have, say, a pet rat or something, would give them a chance to, first of all, learn some responsibilities about keeping a pet, but also once it dies, come in contact with the concept of death in a controlled manner, though, while this may be useful for their development as a person, I suspect that this would merely be an early step in dealing with the concept of one's own death... ...wow, what a direction this comment went in lol
James tour should do a toxic gossip train cover
Hahaha
Just rewatched the whole series over the past week this is just icing on the cake
Thumbnail and video title have me absolutely wetting myself 😂
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Every time I start feeling sorry for Tour, he reminds me why I shouldn’t.
Really interesting episode having Dr. Kronin on! It's not common for researching professors to get dragged into internet drama, but it gives us the opportunity to hear some unique perspectives.
Tour -" The reason I looked so out of my league was because i agreed not to speak at the table, so that's why I appeared to know nothing"
I dont know about you, but I think he was being _less_ than truthful about that "agreement" 😑
"Makes perfect sense"- every uneducated Christian
Great video Professor Dave! Love your content and I TRULY LOVE these debunks of Tour and his issues. I recently listened to the video you and Lee debunk and break down and I'm so glad you took the time to break all the details down. Really enjoyed the conversation between you and Lee. KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK!
Just when you think Tour couldn't possibly sink any lower, he somehow manages to drain a little more out of the pool. -Elaine Benes
The cesspool called creacrap is bottomless.
Mister Farina!
GO GO GO GO GO
ZERO
Someone has gotta make a song with that clip or something 😂😂
(VIGOROUS CHALKBOARD NOISES)
YOU ARE CLUELESS 😂
Every time I think James has lost all my respect... somehow, he manages to find negative levels.
Oh boy! I am saving this for later when I can watch through uninterrupted. This will be epic.
For a science communicator, that haircut really makes me think you're gonna start telling me about the ancient aliens who built the pyramids. Lol, love you Dave!
Another takedown of Tour is always a pleasure to hear, but the talk with Lee Cronin was fascinating. He really seemed to hit the right level for me when he explained his work.
One important reason why people like Tour keep insisting that god did it is that they are scared. Not scared of what god might do if they openly admit that they find that the evidence does not show that god did it, but what their comm unity is going to do to them if he admits that. Tour doesn't necessarily want to reject the biology (regardless of whether he understands any of it), but he *has to* if he wants to be accepted in his community. The day he says "well actually the evidence shows that god was not needed" is the day that he will be rejected by most of his friends and possibly even family, and 200 years ago he would also have been burnt as a heretic. And do you want to know the really sick part? The only reason why his friends and family would reject him is that they too are scared to admit that they don't believe it, they play along with what they think the others really want to do.
Dave, it is always such a pleasure to watch you dismantle charlatans. Add onto that a conversation with Lee Cronin and I'm beyond stoked! The two of you together makes for an incredibly interesting and informative video and I truly appreciate the time that you both took to make this. And on the VERY off chance that Lee Cronin has time to read youtube comments... Hi Lee! I think that you are brilliant (obviously) and I would gladly listen to you talk all day. You could read the phone book and I'd be here for it. I'm too old to be fangirling but here I am doing it anyway.
my takeaway from the round table was this. The physicist on the panel asked Tour how he was going to administer $50 billion of funding as head of the NSF. He said he wasn't responsible for choices but given his track record of manipulation and plagiarism I would keep a firm eye on whether the Discovery Institute and similar organisations receive funding for spurious projects and whether bona fide projects are refused funding.
I wish there were more sharp minds willing to be as savage and consistent as Mr Dave Farina. Cheers! 🍻
Yeah, they gonna charge you with first degree murder for that one. That was probably the worst burn since Obi-Wan cut off Anakins legs.
Wait, obi did that? I thought he lost them to lava or something! Fxck, now i gotta watch it again.
@@pureflix8086 Well if you get your legs cut off, it'd be very hard to escape from the lava...
I have fully accepted that this series will go on untill the end of time, and I will be here watching it till the very end. Thank you for your service Dave, keep crushing this clowns for us.
No Professor Dave, please! Not another James Tour video my sides cant handle it! 😭😂
As usual logic, reason, and acting like a human being has prevailed. Well done Dave, glad that Prof. Cronin was able to speak on it. As a religious iconoclast it made me giddy at the end when you Bible slapped him. Also, I think it's fascinating how the molecules that formed life exibited evolutionary behaviour; but it kind of makes sense if you have a basic knowledge of how life got this far. Not to compare my comprehension of these topics to you let alone all the esteemed researchers and scientists you have spoken to over this saga. Any thanks for what you do Professor Dave.
Dude Im actually delighted at some New James tour dunking. I love it
Today I wrote my Botany exam and I actually watched your Botany series twice to help me with studying. Exhausting af, but as soon as I saw this thumbnail, I knew that I was in for a treat. Thanks for putting up with this bs and helping the world to never forget about how mindblowingly delusional some people can be, while also helping us less experienced folks with our studies :-)
Honestly good on James for enabling you to get into personal contact with these great researchers, possibly his most valuable service in the last couple of decades
Thanks a lot to Lee Cronin for taking the time to get involved in something way beneath his expertise and going through it very rationally so that someone without the academic background like me can understand what's actually going on.
Pathological would be an understatement in regard to James Tour.
James: I am rather nefarious💀
An example I like to use to illustrate evolution is to ask where do big cities come from? Someone builds a house, Then someone builds a house nearby. The two people realize they can help each other. Then a third comes along, and a fourth, and it goes on and on. There are tones of groups of houses that never make it to become a city though because at some point along the chain of events, someone comes to build their house, but they are idiots and end up setting everyone's house on fire and killing everyone, or some bandits show up and kill everyone. Sometimes the people just stop being able to work together very well and the town dies out.
This is a really nice conversation! I love the natural curiosity about what we don't know yet. It's also very refreshing to not have an overtly negative video on this topic, as I think the correct approach to this issue is simply optimistic experimentation. I think the narrative was negative, and I think the response was negative, but I think we can all agree that the pursuit of this scientific work is a good thing!
James gives me so much second hand embarrassment and I'm pretty immune to that stuff.
Dave looks like a younger version of the Ancient Aliens guy, wish I could I see it 😂
Dave is probably older than that dude
James not being a true scientist… Hearing that exposure at the end was extreme catharsis for me. The moment I saw Mr. Tour and his utterly mad behaviour, which has only gotten worse overtime, I was appalled. But in your very first video, you said that he was “…a respected chemist.” This was anger-inducing for me. This was the accepted level of a respected scientist? How? How could that be even possible!? I never respected him at all, based on what he said. Mr. Tour was basically a slap in the face for the reputation of organic chemistry, and by extension, science in general, at least in my eyes. I am so glad that this video exists.
I know how you feel. But don't really be surprised that frauds and charlatans infiltrate everywhere, and some are very convicing to the point of sounding legit. Neither church or lab, seat or sewer, is beyond the grasp of grifters. And sadly, the dumber and the more naive the people are, the easier it is to infiltrate such places, especially if the scrutiny to get the job is to just "sound convincing" or just non-existent. Edit: typos.
Absolute golden mic drop at the end. So fucking satisfying, well done.