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How good was Pelé actually? #GOAT
New video about one of the most talked about players we've seen over the 20th century in football. In this episode we take on Pelé who played for Santos, Brazil and the New York Cosmos for most of his career.
0:00 Like the video or I'll sleep under your bed
00:34 FIFA vs Pelé
1:54 Sponsored Segmented
3:09 Why didn't he leave Brazil?
7:05 PROOF Pelé Would Have Conquered Europe
9:15 You won't believe these records
11:00 The Time Pelé Went Super Saiyan
13:08 Did Pelé Get Carried At The World Cup?
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loving it, but can u do a Benjamin Mendy one? as im a city fan
Do what happened to varane pls and give me shoutout
If it wasn't for Pele we wouldn't be here talking about football; Football at his time was obviously different, playing against clubs while at the National team was common place. Friendlies were never truly friendly. The man is a LEGEND!
@@johnwilmer2047 HE IS THE GOAT
This documentary is a fraud, you hate Pele bro
I saw Pele play in a friendly in England for Santos against Sheffield Wednesday in about 1973. Also in the Santos team were Edu and the goalkeeper, Felix, both in the 1970 World Cup winning squad. Now, even though Pele himself stated that George Best was a better player than himself, and even though I am a Manchester United fan and saw George Best play over a hundred times, and idolised him as a kid, I disagree with Pele. As soon as I saw Pele touch a football in real life, ten metres away from me, I knew in a flash that he was better than Best. He is, as far as I'm concerned, the greatest footballer that I ever saw. He was magnetic for leather...
I'm humbled by your observation. I'm sure Pele would be also.
Thank you I didnt get to see him play but I had his video the master and his method, I watched it daily multiple times and his career already ended and I had been watching the new man united Beckam era who was great to watch, but I was convinced I had seen the king of football and no one has even come close
It coming from an english guy who saw him on the pitch just shows that the chances of him being the goat is almost 100%.
I'm too young I only grew up watching Messi and Ronaldo. Pele and Messi are the greatest but not sure who's better.
Pressing X to doubt Pele ever said Best was better than himself.
You drop pele into todays game with the training facilities,nutrition menu’s, training regime and pele would still be one of the greats. Talent goes beyond any era
True, and today you can’t touch the player ... The Referee is right there, you have 200 cameras... Watch a video called “Asi marcaban a Pele”
The greatest
@@DizzyMakavelli By the same token you place Maradona with the rules of today and there would not be even a reason to play the game.
@@navsofour2892 Young Maradona would destroy even more than Pele today, and I don’t even like Argentina.
He'd just be at the club hotel taking Viagra all day
Pele is so good that people underplay him and insult him. We should however recognize greatness whenever we see one, and it doesn't matter who you think the goat of football is.
Just because he's black and never played in Europe. Now they're doubting him
Only football fans underrate him cause they know facts. Overall he has good reputation worldwide
@@djentobreakfastbreakfast8820 you may have a few people who don’t like pele because of his skin color but let’s not assume everyone who thinks pele is overrated is a racist… di stefano was white, won 5 european cups & still disrespected by lots of people today because of the time he played in…
@@djentobreakfastbreakfast8820 I think the real reason is there is very little footage or stats about him .
@@djentobreakfastbreakfast8820 fr
"The world would be a much better if we could compare each other less, and start admiring each other more" Pele
Well Pele has compared Di Stefano, Maradona and Messi. And said if you can't say who is Argentina's best player how you can say some of them is the greatest...meaning he thinks he is the best.
@@MultiJejje He has a point though
@@MultiJejje he is
@@l.b.9567 But you didn't have a point. Original comment by Pele was not to compare...but then he does this himself lol.
@@rafacaze read all comments, carefully my friend
I was privileged to see him play for Brazil in the 1966 World Cup. I was 11 at the time and my dad took me to watch Brazil v Bulgaria at Goodison Park. All the kids wanted to see him and get his autograph. He was roughly handled by the Bulgarian defence and he missed the second game against Hungary. Against Portugal, he played in pain and after one brutal tackle, he hobbled down the touchline a virtual passenger. I was so close to the pitch that I could see the look of pain in his face. I never listen to those who underrate Pele or try to diminish him. He was the greatest.
Sure, we'll just take some 11 y/o kids word for it. GTFOH gramps.... he's the most OVERRATED of all time. Take a hike with your opinion.
@@liberatedentrepreneur149 The disrespect tells me exactly who you are.
@@l.b.9567 Ignore the troll.
Actually comparing players of different eras is not just unfair but it is criminal the challanges scenarios change dramatically....... Pale is a legend... Let's enjoy and celebrate his skill and talent and also not belittle others as well... Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄
@@l.b.9567 No, it doesn't tell you who I am. All it shows is that I have no yearn to sugarcoat things when I'm dealing with morons.
Find the video about Pele doing it 50 years ago. He did every skill moves popularised by other players. What a genius
Pele was a legend to so many people in the 70s and 80s …people can say whatever now, but can’t change the history.
Nobody is trying to change history, genius. We just realize he isn't the goat, but the most overrated player ever.
Pele was trying to change the history, not us. He's not that great. Brazil can win the World Cup without him back then.
@Tommy Stark Guiness World Records already put in 2013 that Pelé was the greatest goalscorer in al history with 1279 goals in 1363 matches.
60s also
I think this a way for europeans trying to find a substitute for Pelé, a black person being the best for over 60 years.
Rest in peace king Pelé. Today we tend to forget about how this wonderful athlete has changed the sport forever. He was head and shoulders above his contemporaries. His legacy is nothing like the others. Rip Legend.
Beautifully said.....💚⚽️💚
As an Argentine, even I recognize Pelé was up there with the very best, top of the top of the top. We could argue if he was the best or not, we can compare him to Maradona, but saying "Pelé was a fraud" is a crime against football and should be punishable by law. He did 50 years ago some of the plays that the best players of today days are praised for, and he played during a time in which there were very little technical advances in the design of footballers' equipment, so it was all natural born skills. Pelé is definitely a Legend.
Maradona was something else, hermano. He is not in the same shelf of the rest. Maybe Messi will build one for himself too, just like Maradona and Pelé did. Good luck at the final. Besos de Brasil.
he’s a fraud
Back in 1950s and 60s balls were made of leather and were heavy and they did not travel in the air fast these days balls made of polymer which are more lighter and travel in the air fast very difficult for goalkeepers to stop a good strike
@@PACEMAKER.313 you can control the ball easier when it is a little bit heavier since you can tap it harder without it moving as far
@@ventraaaaI Just like your pidol pessi and pendu
I would make a correction though: Jairzinho wasn't the 1970 World Cup top-scorer, he was Brazil's top scorer. Gerd Müller was the top-scorer of that WC
@@IntellectuallySuperior2U I agree in everything you've said, I'd like just to add another point that I feel you left it out. At the time of Pele, the information, video and data of players overseas were lacking. The first few matches in Europe he could have been a surprise for defenders, half of season after they would have learned his way of playing and built a more efficient way to stop him. Unfortunately we'll never know, if IFs and BUTs were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas 😉
@@IntellectuallySuperior2U Just to remember Pelé and Santos, other Brazilian's and South American team's destroyed European teams in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and 90s, in 70% or 80% of the matches. brazil was champion of the world cup 3 times only with players who played in brazil, the best in the world played here 🇧🇷
@@IntellectuallySuperior2U Why in the world would Pelé ever play in Europe? South America championships had more talent than Europe back then, just look at how easily Pelé's Santos destroyed almost every top european team they ever played against. He didn't go because there was no point in going.
@@IntellectuallySuperior2U The amount of lies that you have told in this one comment is astounding. First of all you said that most of footballing greats say messi is the best but the fact is that none of them has watched Pele play, you just completely disregarded the people who call Pele the greatest as old timers but if you really want to get the best perspective then you have to take the opinions of people who has watched both Messi and Pele play during their lifetime. Most of these people will say Pele was better, if you don't believe me then watch this video named "100 people talk about Pelé". Two of the things you said in these long comment contradicts each other. First you said Pele's achievements with the national team are underwhelming because he always played in the 'stacked team' ok but then later in your comment you said that Pelé never played in europe thus makes his club career not so great but you didn't realise the fact that almost all of his national teammates played against him on the club level in brazil. Which made the level of competition in brazil very good.
@L'existence Précède L'essence. Va te faire foutre. You do not play, and it shows. Let's begin with what the best players say..it's Pele all say bar one Lionel Messi, a player with no right and barely any headed goals. He keeps silent not because he has anything to match with Pele, but because by hiding he hopes to accumulate something with which to challenge Pele's achievements. What's to hide?! Why the silence? How long to wait?! Let's move to eras. Last week I saw Messi beg a penalty because a keeper's hand unintentionally touched his face. In Pele's era as pointed out in this balanced presentation, Pele was fouled 4x more than the most fouled currently, no cards, no subs. As for conditions, I've played in snow and waterlogged pitches, professionals refuse to play on now. Pele could play in any era,how many could play in his? Conditioning merely brings out the best in players. Current conditioning akin to the conditioning boxers of Pele's era undertook for 15 rounds, as opposed to today's 12. Just as no boxer today equals Sugar Ray Robinson, no player today equals Pele. To equal Pele a player needs a heavy shot in the three shooting techniques, with either foot. A player needs impeccable heading ability, chest, thighs, heels and ability to self-correct following impacts and challenges. A player needs improvisational abilities that bring new possibilities into football equal to what Pele brought. One-twos played off opponents? Only Pele ever did it..and so on. The arguments against Pele began with the appearance of Cruyff. Notwithstanding Cruyff playing in teams equally talented as any Pele starred in, Cruyff was the first to acknowledge who was better. Cruyff did have two good feet and was great in the air, played in the category of De Stefano and Zidane..all three better than Messi. The arguments then shifted to Maradona, a single-footed maestro of which many are from South America. Maradona again acknowledged who was better but so did both Argentine World Cup winning managers. Pele at 17 in a World Cup winning squad, Maradona at 17 ,not. Pele at 21 in a virtually unchanged squad 4yrs later, as was Maradona. One squad good enough to retain title without it's talisman, the other unable to retain title with its talisman; Maradona to the 86 team what Garrincha was to the 62 team. The crux of my argument is a thing only players understand: Maradona and Messi benefitting from low centres of gravity. Pele the only player ever able to change centre of gravity during play. In the 2nd leg of the World Club Cup against Benfica, Pele's 2nd goal was of this quality. He did the same in the World Cup earlier that year in his unsurpassed goal (in my opinion) vs Mexico. This goal is the only goal you will ever see, scored by a player from standstill, going through two lines of four on a diagonal run directly towards goal. Messi could not score such a goal. R9 would have needed another distracting runner and Maradona scored his greatest goals against broken defences following turnover ball. Pele had the Di Stefano AND Maradona category skillsets, plus the pace and power of Mbappe. I believe your intention was to muddy the waters through which the greatest are evaluated. What betrays you is your own playing experience. To score a goal among the finest of Pele's is the pinnacle of any player's career, not so Messi. Messi could not complete the hattrick Pele scored in 58 vs France: the ball he received on his thigh and transferred to shoot, is the most difficult to convert as the player must rise with the ball to kill it. All this is lost on you because you've never had to execute such technique..such never even entered your head. But why are we debating Pele's technique when those able to thwart such became World renowned as a result? Bobby Moore thwarted Pele in 70, and is rightly considered the greatest England defender as a result. Gordon Banks saved the perfect header..Why use mealy-mouthed arguments leading nowhere when the pinnacle of Pele bars your path in every direction? If you were doing so out of a sense of injustice, you might argue against the imponderables touched upon in this presentation, but you don't. Your mud is composed of denigration, delegitimisation and denial. Is Messi's left better than Pele's left? No, is his right anywhere near Pele's right? No. Was Messi at 17 better than Pele at 17? No. Has Messi played in teams as talented as Santos or Brazil? Yes. Was 2006 Argentina elevated by Messi vs Germany? No. Was Messi able to win Champion's League minus Xavi and Iniesta? No. There you have the answer to your nonsense! Such are the situations fate reserves for those contending to be the best. Messi entered World Cup folklore against Serbia alongside a stellar team in 2006. 16 years later he still strives to make good his promise.. The intervening years a post-Zidane interregnum. Now the baton has passed to Mbappe or maybe another will emerge in Qatar, but none will surmount the insursurmountable Pele, as the pinnacle of footballing possibilities. I'll leave you with this footage. kzhead.info/sun/Z5mxgaemqqN5eaM/bejne.html Not quite La Battalia Bonbonera of '69, but sufficient for Santos to number among teams refusing to contest this trophy. Pele won this trophy in the teeth of hostility. Could the man who's face was last week touched, brave such a field? No. And that is why he cannot compare with Pele. Enjoy! kzhead.info/sun/Z5mxgaemqqN5eaM/bejne.html
I had always thought George Best was the best player in the world. After I had the fortune to witness Pepe’s greatness during a friendly game played by Santos against Newcastle on June 4, 1972 in Hong Kong. Newcastle led 2-1 in the first half but Pele scored 3 fantastic goals in the second half to win the game. One of the goals was the best goal I have ever seen. Pele received the ball in the midfield from a overhead pass, he ran toward Newcastle’s goal touching the ball 7 times by his head, chest, thigh and feet while he ran passed 3 players and the ball never touched the ground and scored with a volley. He was like a magician performing acrobatics in full speed. There was a movie that came out and replayed that play 7 times. I kept going back to the theater to watch that play. I wish somebody had that movie or video to show Pele’s skills. He truly is the king and the best.
And then they say that wasn’t an official FIFA goal and say cr7 scored more goals.
We have! kzhead.info/sun/h9ZyY85vgaqlpaM/bejne.html&ab_channel=retrofutbol58
I remember a photograph where Pele was passing a sliding man and behind that man was 5 other men on the ground. The headline stated “sometimes even 6 is not enough”. To me he was the GOAT. ⚽️
It`s absurd not to recognize he is to football what Senna was to F1, what MJ is to basketball, what Usain Bolt is to athletism, what Mohammed Ali was to boxing, and so on.. He changed the game forever, and what you see in this sport today is only happening for what he did.
Or Jimi Hendrix to the guitar.
@@wloonie Or tony hawk to skateboarding.
I think he is much more like wilt chamberlain than mj. Mj played in a much modern version of basketball, and most fans still consider him as the best basketball players ever. Meanwhile, fans overlook wilt, because he played in the earliest era of nba, and doubt that he could dominate modern nba with its complexity. His story is becoming a myth, some believe it, some don't. Just like Pele's story.
@@gmvol5335 you dont skate do you? Hawk is def not the Pele of skateboarding. Try Rodney Mullen
That's the point: he changed the game forever
There is no reason to defend Pele. If you don't think he's the GOAT, you don't know football.
Maradona???
@@PhillyTJ no Boludos allowed
@@PhillyTJ NO
@@PhillyTJ Maradona won 1 world cup and cheated to do it. He don't deserve to lick the dog poo off Pele's boots. And Maradona's career ended in drug-addicted disgrace.
@@bayouflier6641 Who is the goat?
Pele is not overrated, whoever thinks that is not a true football fan. He is the true GOAT.
I'm more of a fan than you and I know he's overrated. Not the goat in any sense of the word. Now take a hike, kid.
@@liberatedentrepreneur149 Pele's career goal tally at 1,281 goals in 1,363 games. Has anyone else matched that? no so shush. Pele's world cups 3, Ronaldo's world cups 0, Messi's world cups 1, Maradona's world cups 2. If you don't think he's the goat then you aren't the football fan buddy. I've been a football fan for 36 years since i was 4. And you have got to remember that football was harder back then as not as much fouls were given and players were more aggressive in tackles or 1v1 situations, and the gear and balls were heavier and harder to use as they did not have the materials that they have today. 🤣🤣 you make me laugh at how uneducated you are at football. LMAO!
...of his time! Players were diffrent, trained at that time! Not to compare nowadays. No, we do know who is the real GOAT, right? Dont we? Any hint needed, or.....
@@patmctallica3522 🤣🤣your funny!
@@maxlivingstone9087 WOW! The whole world is crazy, exept you, right? 😂 🤦♂
Pele was ahead of his time that's why he is the King
Meaning he had no competition , like Messi and Ronaldo?
@@leroyg2312 Zidane?
@@pumalogo204 messi>
Idiots always using that "ahead of his time" nonsense and don't even know what it means. Overrated players will never be king.
This is yor explanation? 🙄 He played in Brasil and US, so....
Pele was the most complete player who had no weakness.The record speaks for itself.👍
gullit beckenbaur were clearly more complete
@@gourmondal5812 yeah keep dreaming mate!
Pele only faced 16 teams in his generation...I would love to see him with 24 teams by 82 and 32 teams in 98...😁😁😁
@Atlantis Rising Podcast good comeback 😂😂🤣
@@atlantisrisingpodcast9796 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏👏
If it wasn't for Pele we wouldn't be here talking about football; Football at his time was obviously different, playing against clubs while at the National team was common place. Friendlies were never truly friendly. The man is a LEGEND!
No lol. Football was way more competitive during Cruijff’s time and football’s peak was around 1998-2012. Then it was again really competitive until covid started sh*ting everywhere
@@Messiiiiuuuuuu10 Without Pele, a superstar, the first athlete in U.S sports to get a multimillion dollar contract, without his STAR power, football as you know would not exist...Sure keep your ignorance intact...
@@johnwilmer2047 I disagree but ok
@@johnwilmer2047 my guy he is talking about competitive, which if you actually think that in 50s and 60s was the most competitive football ever then you might need to check yourself in a mental hospital
@@trollinape2697 I would like to know why you disagree
Thank you for making the video. Pele was the best player in 1970 world cup but they didn't have the world cup golden ball back then. He also scored most of the 'friendly' goals in his prime years when he and santos was touring around the world playing against the best teams. Modern football fans(messi and ronaldo fans) are unaware of these facts, they don't even bother to research for a minute or two.
Because it doesn't matter, he played in an era with few good players a lot of those matches were not even official, today you have Messi dominating over a decade against the most amount and best prepared players ever and even then he already surpassed Peles made up records. But even before that when people choose the player of the century it was Maradona, then Fifa again made up some award and gave it to Pele so he can look good.
@@ginebro1930 the thing is football in that era, was not globalized. So the best played in their country. Here in Brazil, a lot of teams in that era had monster players. Teams that today not even play 4th division football. And you can say the same for Uruguay, Argentina, Germany, Italy even the USSR. The local club in the the suburb of Rio de Janeiro where I live struggle to even play these day, but back in the 60´s they toured Europe and beat teams like Benfica and even them, they were not even in the top 10 teams of the nation. To understand football in that era, you need to put aside the football you know today and think what the Premier league would look like with mostly english players and what the Argentina league would look like through the decades, with Maradona, Batistuta, Messi, Veron and etc.
Touring around the world playing village teams……
@@ginebro1930 When Messi wins a world cup you can include him in the conversation. Men who use drugs to enhance their endurance cannot be considered the goat
@@user-vm9hh2se7s how about touring around the world beating the best teams everywhere.
Pele was an amazing player, comparing a man that played in the 50's, 60's and 70's to 2022 4K, high resolution multi-billion dollar stadiums with air conditioning and drainage systems and multi million dollar salaries. Pele was doing some skills 50 years ago that players do today, some players had second jobs and played football professionally on the side for extra cash. Put Messi and Ronaldo in the 50s when the balls were 20kg and they played on dirt grass and flying tackles that broke you.
Although the first golden ball was given in 1982, Pele was actually chosen the best player of 1970 WC scoring or assisting every match. In 1958 he was the best young players and what he did was impressive for a 17 yo
And Brazil the only country who won World Cup in Europe and Europe never won World Cup in Latin America in very recently Germany did it in Brazil.
Golden balls until like the 90's was only for europeans, that changed but very later on, France Football did a "corection" list if the golden ball was given to all players insteaf of only europeans, in total pelé won 8 in the list
@@SoppadaSoupp you are confusing the world cup golden ball with the ballon d'or. But you are indeed correct
@@carlosvg2286 Thank you lad, my bad great comment!
Vini is scoring and assisting in every match
Didi,Vava,Nilton Santos and Garrincha etc. were all legendary players at the 1958 and 1962 world cups
You forgot to mention Jarzinho. Bro's name was the tornado.
@@hood_smurf6831 he was not in the 58 and 62 teams .
didi was the star player for the 1958 world cup, garrincha 1962, and you can make a case for jairzinho in 1970 but pele takes the cake.
@@mor4665 pele was 18 in the 58 wc tho. He still was crucial in the world cup. Without his goals and assists brazil weren't winning the world cup.
@@Yeahagreed those assists and goals would mean nothing if didi wasn’t playing midfield…. that’s like saying discrediting modric’s 2018 world cup because mandzukic had more goals…..
Pelé simply invented, sometimes in real time, the most incrediblr genious tricks we see modern players trying to mimic
Yeah ok kid 😂🤦🏼
@@liberatedentrepreneur149 my guy use emoji what you mean kid goofy ass touch some grass
@@liberatedentrepreneur149 ??
@@liberatedentrepreneur149watch more football sir
The only people who doubt Pele have an evil agenda, he is the greatest of all time
Addition: Argentinans want to steal GOAT for their players.
No.
Evil agenda ? Lol. Or maybe they just have a different opinion to you, dunce
he is a legend definitely not the goat
@@gourmondal5812 He is the goat. No other player have 3 world cup under their belt.
Antes do Pelé não existia tanta criatividade e habilidade, ele foi o inventor disso, dribles, chapeis, fintas, domínio de bola, chute de primeira a principal referência para todos os outros craques que viriam e virão depois.
R.I.P 🕊️ Pele will never be forgotten
My grandpa actually saw Pelé playing in real life multiple times in Santos Stadium, is his words Pelé had a boost of athletic skills, extremely smart, with a powerful shot from long distances, he was a unstoble machine, and just comparing him at World cup level, is insane, just someone that actually saw his matches multiple times and know how to compare them to the soccer of that time, is able to deal with comparing him to today's players.
He deserves more respect people don’t believe him because we weren’t born back then but u shouldn’t judge only people from then can k now and loved the vid
Different time
Pele was the best. He elevated soccer here in America. Especially here in New York for the Cosmos. He was the first player I ever knew
@@wesbyEric mo I was just saying he was when I was a kid. Of course I followed some of the Cosmos players before the league went down at the time. My actual criteria is how much winning they did and how many records they set or if they were the best in their era. If they changed the sport? Pele checked those boxes. The only player to be a part of 3 world cup winners. He almost won 4 but according to something I read a bad call by a referee screwed him in 1966.
best of all time, is still the same goat
..and never played in Europe! 😂
@patmctallica3522 So? He wanted to go but Santos didn't want him to leave. Also European soccer wasn't that big of a deal as it is now. You really can't compare eras.
@@stevenattias1803 Destiny, right? Thats right, comparing eras is difficult! ...and to be told all those Pele fans here, who thinks Pele is the GOAT, and there was no competition since than! 🤦♂
11:25 There is an Error, Pele had 10 Assists in his World Cup career. 1958 - 2 Assists (1 in Final) 1962 - 1 Assists 1970 - 7 Assists (2 in Final)
"The more the game was difficult, the more Pele asked for the ball and played even better" - Tostão. Pelé's biggest matches were the ones he was challenged: Santos vs Botafogo-SP, Pelé scored 8 goals and during the match, the opponents asked Pelé to stop, as they were feeling humiliated, but Pelé replied that he would detonate Botafogo-SP, this because in the previous game, Botafogo-SP won Santos and at the end of the game, Botafogo-SP mocked Santos on the field. In 1959, Pelé scored his greatest goal, the goal of Rua Javari, and invented the air punch. This happened because the opposing crowd challenged Pelé, who then scored his biggest goal, and celebrated with a punch in the air, fighting and cursing the opposing crowd. In 1962, Pelé played his biggest game in Europe, because Benfica looked down on Santos……etc. Pele's history and personality are like this, when challenged, Pele played even better. Before the 1958 World Cup, in the game against Corinthians, Pelé suffered a knee injury, Pelé swore that as long as he played, Corinthians would never be champions, Corinthians went 11 years without beating Santos and was only champion when Pelé retired.
In 1965 vs Prudentina Pelé was challenged by the opposing crowd… Pelé then went on to score 8 goals, 3 which were disallowed. After the match Pelé showed his 5 fingers to the public and to the fans of Prudentina who challenged him.
Vc copiou e colou o que eu escrevi em outro vídeo
@@LeonardoGuerreiro Yes my friend, i liked you’re comment.
Those were all charity and unauthorised by fifa matches
@@ayanbhattacharjee1076 that's false not all of them were charity matches or friendlies.
The offside rule in Pelé's era was indeed more restrictive than the current one. But it's not because in Pelé's era, you had to have two players in front of you, while "today is only one". No, it's still two. The reason why the rule was harsher is because any offside player, even if not participating at all, could still cause a whole play to be ruled out as offside. I'll give you an example using Milan 5-0 Real Madrid in 1988/89 UCL semifinals, second leg. Real Madrid had over 20 offsides in that game, and the legendary Sacchi's Milan team showed total mastery of how to exploit the offside rule back then to its limits. Look at 24:00 of the video below. kzhead.info/sun/h5qLYJFwiqtva4E/bejne.html Also, same line was offside, not onside as it is stated in the current rule.
Laws of the games is pretty simple, isnt't it? But in reality it's almost impossible to rely on human eyes to see an offside or 'ghost' goal without VAR. But it's controversy actually makes it more fun to watch. There's gonna be lifetime bantering between fans. Lots of what ifs and if onlys. My comment might be off topic but I don't mean to disagree to anything you said. Cheers.
But still rule was restrictive. Like even in same line of 2 nd last would be considered offside during 1970 and even the person who is in offside and even though he is not involved in playing would be considered offside for whole team. So goal scoring was still tough. Also goalkeeper had all rights to take ball from hand even if it was passed by same team mate.
Literally GOD no GOAT. Pelè is the god of football himself.
god* pele can not be compared to God
I can listen to this dudes voice all day long talking about legends of futbol 😂 great job
thanks man
Excelente vídeo ( como sempre..) obrigado!
A once-in-century phenom; a person of charisma and fortitude, who paved the way for the World's most Glorious sport: FOOTBALL. An athlete of the highest caliber. ~ May you find peace wherever you may be, Sir. Pelé is FOREVER!!"
But still rule was restrictive. Like even in same line of 2 nd last would be considered offside during 1970 and even the person who is in offside and even though he is not involved in playing would be considered offside for whole team. So goal scoring was still tough. Also goalkeeper had all rights to take ball from hand even if it was passed by same team mate.
Once a legend , always a legend
And still overrated.
Pele was the best! If you lived those years you would know. There are more important aspects than just numbers. He was a leader, made everyone better, and elevated the game everywhere he went. Was Mohammed Ali the best? In similar cases, there will be others with better numbers, but never another one who would mean as much to his country and the world. I'm Mexican and I know well who the best was.
Gracias. Couldn`t have said it any better.
Doesn't matter if you're Mexican or "lived" in that era. What were you, 4 when Pele was playing ? I doubt you were even around then. He's the most overrated player of all time. Deal with it.
bro just wrote this in every single comment@@liberatedentrepreneur149
Pele is a Legend regardless of stats , he played with beauty power and fantastic technical ability in an era of terrible pitches , terrible equipment and a much more physical game 🤷♂️💪👌👏👏👏
Pele the Football GOAT period. We all knew this as a kid. He influenced the second coming of himself with Abedi Pele, and to later Robinho.
Robinho the Raypissed ?
@@user-vm9hh2se7s Nah Robinho the Great
we were kid back then and thought that he won 3 wc by himself which is ofc false but he was surely the goat of his generation
@@gourmondal5812 Pele still the GOAT and he was ahead of his time doing some of the crazy performances which is still timeless
@@TheSub-SaharanAmericanLegend if you are talking about performances then maradona is the goat in terms of stats pele is better
Thanks for the video. It was good and necessary for those who were unsure quite how good Pele was. 🙌🏽
Pele calculates his goals with inflation.
That one... actually completely make sense!
Pelé is the God of Football. Messi, CR7, Maradona, and all the other great players can come close, but they are minor gods in the Pantheon of Football. The God of gods in Football is Pelé.
SCREAMING
Bro chose the wrong profession. Easily coulda been a bank manager, or started a business bro.
Best comment!!
RIP LEGEND PELE 1940-2022
66 goals in 44 games as a 16/17yo. Imagine how much that sort of player would be worth today.
Farmers league
@@user-vm9hh2se7s Nobody else was hitting those numbers. And actually back then the best Brazilian teams quite often beat the European superpowers.
@@kevinb9830 I scored 2000 goals against my 5yo cousin also
@@user-vm9hh2se7s Ask those who played against him. They might know more than you.
@@kevinb9830 I did already. I asked my grandad, who come up against Pele back in 1965, when my grandad was playing for his local village pub team, the Royal Oak. He did say Pele scored a hat-trick that day though. 3 of the 1000 👍 my grandma still unhappy about that, as she was in goal
If every one from his era says he scored a 1000 goals then he probably did…imagine in 50years time people say CR7 didn’t really score 700 plus goals in his career or excuses like football was soft or didn’t have much tactics back then
Todos os 1283 gols de Pelé foram registrada em súmula do juíz da partida. Tem a lista de todos os jogos e gols de Pelé disponível na Internet. Quando Pelé marcou o gol mil em 1969, a FIFA emitiu certificado à Pelé, reconhecendo os 1000 gols
OOF taht will be interesting then
Non sense. Do you even know what backyards goals are? Pele was the main face of football that time & there was not much tournaments like present. That's why they travel the world & played against all european giants. What you are calling backyards goals that's actually scored against Madrid, Milan,United,Ajax & all big big clubs that time. His goal ratio was above 1 against all european giants that time. He was better than Messi/Ron anyday.What he invented 60 years ago then rest of all used it in their game.😁 If you want prove visit a channel called "Bella Kona".
@@LeonardoGuerreiro mas nos na europa nao contamos os golos em amistosos do messi nem do ronaldo o ronaldo por exemplo tem 800 golos em clubes e selecoes e nao contamos os golos que ele marcou em amistosos nem na sua epoca de juvenil etc.. o que vcs brasileiros fazem com pele é uma piada... ele nao é o melhor jogador de todos os tempos foi um grande jogador sem duvida alguma mas muito longe de ser o melhor porque o melhor de todos é o messi por muito que vcs fiquem chateados...
@@hugosilva3916 Vcs contavam gols amistosos sim! Deixaram de contar por causa de jornalistas, que quando surgiu a internet, ao fazer site de clubes, buscaram os campeonatos para contabilizar os gols. Isto porque é mais fácil encontrar gols em campeonatos, do que esporádicos em "amistosos". Os amistosos de seleções hoje valem como oficiais, assim como os amistosos de clubes valiam como oficiais no passado. Antigamente não existia muitos torneios e os times organizavam partidas entre si, era a realidade e critérios da época. No Brasil os torneios duravam 4 meses ao ano, depois vinha a temporada de amistosos que fazia parte do calendário; as excursões do Santos, era com aval das federações e da FIFA. Para ser oficial não tinha que ser em torneios, era só obedecer as regras do futebol e ter súmula, tal qual os jogos de seleções, onde os amistosos são oficiais. Essa narrativa de gols oficiais/amistosos, surgiu nos anos 2000, com puro anacronismo tolo, antes ninguém cogitava isto. Quando Pelé marcou o gol 1000, a FIFA expediu certificado à Pelé, mas hoje vcs falam que não marcou mil gols. O problema de vcs é racismo, xenofobia. ... Pelé quando jogou na Europa, destruiu os europeus e vcs não suportam um negro ser o rei do futebol.
Very cool. Those youngins only know bout messi & ronaldo, their knowledge are very limited but they think they are expert 🤣
"So, Pele played against weak opposition on the domestic Brazilian League"........... This is BY FAR, the worst argument against Pele, simply because state-level tournaments in Brasil, throughout the 50s, 60s, and even late 80s were not weak, on the contrary, in fact, some of them (São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul) were very strong. Even stronger than the national championship. First of all, Brazilian football was much stronger then, since almost all Brazilian players would remain in the country. Imagine if Neymar, Vinicius Jr., Firmino, Casemiro, Gabriel Jesus, , Thiago Silva played domestic. The 1958 team? All of them played locally. 1962 team? 1970 team? 1950 second place team? Yeah, you got it. And I'm not talking only about first class players in Spain, England, Germany or Italy.Those were playin on the big four from Sâo Paulo or the big four from Rio de Janeiro. Imagine if the hundreds of brazilian players in Portugal, Ukraine, Japan, Turkey, Russia were playing in Brazil. That was the situation until late 80s. Out local tournaments and clubs were very strong. Our “second rate” teams were filled with players who would be playing today at médium level teams in Europe. And please, I beg you: find some statistics about Brazilian teams playing against European teams from that era. The great Real Madrid? Yes, beaten many times by different teams. AC Milan? Benfica? Yes, all of them. It's also important to notice that Brazil is a huge continental country. There wasn't a national organized tournament until late 60's. State level tournaments were by far the most important events. It must be said that some of Brazilian states are as big as most of European Countries, but football is historically centered on a few of those states. São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro were the main ones, with Minas Gerais and Rio Grande do Sul on close second. In the 1958 team there were 10 players from São Paulo (from 5 different teams), and 12 players from Rio (from 5 different teams). 1962 had 13 from 4 different teams from São Paulo. 1970 team had 11 players from Sâo Paulo (from 5 different teams); If you take a list of teams with most National Champions from the 60's until now, first, second, fourth and fifth places are teams from São Paulo - Palmeiras, Santos, Corinthians and São Paulo FC. All of them, by the way, are also multiple Copa Libertadores Champions. Not to mention medium level teams with multiple second place and third place national honours like Portuguesa, Ponte Preta and Guarany (1978 national champion), that were also playing on São Paulo. Teams from São Paulo have more National Trophies than teams from all the other states combined. Those were the teams Pele was playing against. So, HOW, HOW, HOW can one say that the São Paulo State was not a very strong Tournament, with FOUR high level teams and a number of medium level teams?!?!?! And Pele was also playing in the “Rio-São Paulo” tournament, with those four best teams from Sâo Paulo AND the four best teams from Rio de Janeiro It was strong! Pele was playing against some of the best! Pele's team, Santos, was playing against some of the world's best players, and beating some of Brazil's best teams. You can’t say that Pele just get 3 World Cups because of his world class team mates, and also say that teams with two or three of those same team mates (and Other very good players) were weak. What are you implying? That those 22 players in the World Cup were world class, but the rest of Brazilian players were bad? Well, it’s true that some teams were not that strong, but the same can be said about Almeria, or Granada, or Mallorca, or Fulham or Bournemouth. Messi or CR7 goals against them are not valid? Yes, Pele was playing against and with some of the best players in the world. And guess what? They unanimously say he was the best of them all.....by far. Nowadays, people forget this, cause the National Tournament is well established, but simply put. State-level Tournaments WERE the most important tournaments throughout the 50's till the 70's. And you know what? THE SAME IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN EUROPE. Imagine this: São Paulo is roughly the size of the UK and has/had 4 high-level teams, Minas Gerais, with two high-level teams, is the size of Spain, Rio has/have 4 high-level teams, Rio Grande do Sul have/has 2, and so on. Those states had very strong state-level championships. One day, they decided to create a strong National Tournament and, little by little, those strong state tournaments begin to shrink. 40 years later, we are calling them "farmer's league" Well, Spain has 2 (maybe 3) strong teams; England has 4, Germany has 2, Italy I don't know anymore, 2 or 3. There are always plans for a Europe League, with all of them. Imagine if little by little they begin to abandon the domestic league in favor of this new continental one. 40 years from now, there will be people saying that Messi or Ronaldo or Muller played in a farmer´s league. Now, let’s talk about the Brazilian National Championship. In Pele times, as I said, it was not the most important tournament. It would be a knockout competition with just three or four games to the title. It was not until 1971 that Brazil would have a proper National League. So, if you get Pele’s goal average from these 3 or 4 games a year in his prime and 20 games a year when he was over 30, his average wouldn’t be that impressive; but that is the same as measuring CR7 career for his Years in Juventus. Finally, ”friendly games” didn’t have the same status then as they have now. Football wasn’t the same. Santos actually quit three libertadores to play these so called ”friendly games” including against Real Madrid and Barcelona, Inter Milan, Benfica, AC Milan, Juventus,River Plate, Boca Juniors, with their legendary players and he had the same goal average (0.92, 0.94) in ”unofficial games”. Those were not summer cup games.
This should be a fixed comment.
You eviscerated the maker of this video. All facts. It's wild that Europeans downplay South American players when their best clubs bring them all on their teams and they are usually the best players. Especially the case for Brazil. Now put all the best Brazilian players and make them all play in Brazilian clubs then ofc the competition was incredible. It's incredibly annoying seeing so many people trying to downplay Pele.
Pelé probably snatched Swedens only chance of world cup victory in history 1958 scoring 2 goals in the final and assisting.
Antigamente a Taça Libertadores não tinha importância. Por muitos anos fou disputado apenas entre Uruguai e Argentina. No Brasil o Campeonato mais valorizado era o Campeonato Paulista e o mais dificil era o Torneio Rio-São Paulo. Os times brasileiros não disputavam a libertadores porque não dava dinheiro, era muito violento, não era um torneio valorizado e o sistema de transporte era precário.
it was really only 5 years, and it was because the brazilians protested that only national champions were allowed to compete in the copa libertadores & not the runner-ups. they also opted for tours around the world.
@@mor4665 O seu eurocentrismo bloqueia sua inteligência. O que você escreveu não tem nada haver. Antigamente não existia patrocinadores, verba publicitária, direitos de imagem... então os times só ganhavam dinheiro, jogando. Só que a Libertadores não dava dinheiro suficiente, não cobria custos e por isto os campeões brasileiros (Santos, Palmeiras, Botafogo) não participaram. Jogos amistosos e oficiais antigamente tinham o mesmo valor, e vários times brasileiros excurcionavam pelo mundo. Esta era a única forma das pessoas verem os grandes jogadores, não existia internet e poucas pessoas tinham TV no mundo. Pelé foi a globalização do futebol
@@LeonardoGuerreiro how are you going to say what i wrote had nothing to do with it, and then go on to say brazilian clubs went on tour… that’s literally what i just typed…. & as for the runners-up part, that part is completely true. it may not be the entire reason, but it’s true. it was also only 5 years.
@@mor4665 Errado! O Brasil começou a dar importância à Libertadores, somente na década de 1990! Especificamente com a vitória do São Paulo em 1992. Foi por isto que os times brasileiros só começaram a vencer as Libertadores a partir da década de 90, antes disto, só tinha 2 títulos, os do Santos. A Liga Brasileira antigamente era a melhor do mundo, o brasileiro não dava importância aos campeonatos internacionais de clubes, os jogos internos tinham mais relevância e por isto, muitos campeões brasileiros não jogaram Libertadores, jogavam no lugar times que não eram campeões. Jogar Libertadores nao fazia sentido! Não dava dinheiro, era violento, o sistema de transportes eram precários; era como viajar para jogar futebol em Marte. Você é muito anacrônico! O campeonato mais importante antigamente, era o Campeonato Paulista e o mais difícil era o Troféu Rio-são paulo. Não use a Libertadores como argumento, elas não eram valorizadas como hoje, times brasileiros fazerem "amistosos" entre cidades vizinhas era mais importante que Libertadores
@@LeonardoGuerreiro i thought every match back then was as important??
Another great vid, thanks man 👍🏾👊🏾
Imagine loving someone so much you join the army. Pele the legend, Pele The King
Hey man big fan of your videos, considering you're a Porto fan I'm surprised you haven't done a video on Jackson Martinez considering he's career was a rather interesting one
yeah he's on my list... poor guy
É um erro ENORME, ENORME, dizer que o Santos dos anos 60 era só Pelé. O goleiro Gylmar, o zagueiro Mauro, o meia Zito e o ponta Pepe eram regulares da seleção brasileira e Pepe só não jogou copas do mundo por contusões às vésperas das copas de 62 e 66. A seleção de 1970, tida como a melhor da história, tinha mais dois titulares do Santos (Carlos Alberto Torres e Clodoaldo). Pelé foi o maior da história, mas esteve cercado de gênios tanto no Santos quanto na seleção
Rip ❤
The goat? Why would you debate a silly title bestowed to mere humans, he is much more than that now a distinction so much greater that only a handful of gods sons became to be, he is LEGEND … he is INMORTAL in the minds and hearts of many throughout the world. RIP “Rei Pele”
Even after all these years and having watch Goat play people still talk about him, that must mean he was something special, too bad I couldn’t witness his greatness, but for bow i only have one goat 🐐
What people said about say about Messi today they said same about Pele 60 years ago. Pele did things that people today do but people think these guys did it first
@@gmain1977 what about maradona?
Thank you for this. As a Brazilian I feel very honored that a non Brazilian took his time to search and present all those facts that have always been common place ever since I can remember. From the early 2000's they started reviewing his numbers. Once again thank you for keeping this legendas alive. Cheers from Rio.
Great video. it would be nice if the clips you showed were related to the topic at the moment in the narration. I.e. when you talk about 1966 being a disaster for Pele, show the highlights of him being fouled (Portugal, Hungary)
Pele is a footballer not an accountant lmao. Who cares if he says he scored 1300+ goals.
Yea, who cares if Ronaldo or Messi scores over 700 goals, they're just players, they should just focus on winning for their clubs and country.
its pele himself who's emphasized the 1000k goals lol
apparently everyone doesn't care except pele
@Atlantis Rising Podcast it wasnt pele huh? pele himself said it with his own mouth, verbatim, "I scored 1000k goals"
@@aiya5777 romario has 1003 goals counted in his career when he played for fluminense he had 900 he scored 1003 in vasco da gama
Pele Was an out-of-the-world goal scorer in his time. As time passes better players will emerge as we will learn more about football and the use of technology will help us play better. Because of that people compare past players with current players and think current players are better. But In my Opinion, past players are better technique.
Yeah, technology and science will turn people into superhumans, alright. Everyone is going to worship the god they desire. Good luck with your god!
Just watch the proper video of him and see the ridiculous goals.. chips, overheads, dribbles, both feet. It’s enough to assess him versus todays players who can’t do those things.
Pele is true greatness and the very best there ever been ,Its just it was a long time ago ,But he is the Greatest of all time and he did score over 1000 goals .
As an argentinean our press always downplay Peles legacy when compared to maradona because he didnt play in europe and because footbal of that time was different (different ball, rules, play styles etc) this video is another proof press always lies or omit a LOT of details didnt knows his history was kinda tragic , his own country didnt let the man leave for europe to play futbol , i think this video proves Pele was big than maradona or any other player from the past or present , just the foul stats showed in this video show how much tough players on that era had to beat the odds and win something
Pele won fifa world 🌎 cup three different dacade 50 dacade 1958 6goal 2assist 60 dacade 1962 1goals1assist 70 dacade 1970 4 goal 7 assist pele won fifa world 🌎 cup three time gunnies book of world 🌎 records. God of god pele
When many are compared to just one, it is a sign that this one is the best.
He's the greatest of all time ... its not even a question
He's the most overrated of all time... it's not even a question See how that works ?
@@liberatedentrepreneur149 you never got to see him play live so stfu. Modern players getting freekicks every 2 minutes, playing on perfect pitches with aero dynamic boots and light footballs. Pele and Maradona era ran in heavy leather boots, pitches looked like shit, players could tackle and break your legs....most of these current so-called Greats couldn't play in that era. You don't know shit about football.
@@liberatedentrepreneur149 No
@@chrisgaming517 Yes
@@liberatedentrepreneur149 no
In 1958 WC, -> Pele was the Top Scorer of Brazil (6 Goals) -> Won Silver Ball -> Won Silver Boot -> Man of the Match in Final (2 Goals + 1 Assists in Final) How is Didi better than Pele in 1958 ? Didi won Golden Ball because he was senior, Pele outperformed everyone on the Pitch despite whenever he was given Chance.
One of the best informative and amazing clip of of the best player of all time
Tem um ditado no Brasil que revela tudo: "Pelé é o melhor jogador do mundo e um dos melhores jogadores do Brasil".
So humble of them.
@@Morningstar-sg7js what can we say? its not wrong.
@@Morningstar-sg7js Messi is the player in activity and one of the best in this World Cup. See what I did here?
@Andre Luis Spricigo Messi is not the best player in the world cup. In this world cup of 2022 Luka Modric is the best.
Legends never die 🕊🕊
Well he just died. 🙄
My man, as a Brazilian, I am absolutely amazed by your pronounce on the names of the Brazilian players, you did a very good job there
pelo jeito que ele falou libertadores eu acho que ele e português po
Ele e português bicho
Love watching ur vids from Aus
R.I.P Pelé Don’t disrespect the G.o.a.t
Much respect to the GOAT
Regardless of the defender at the time. If you look at Pele ball control, skill, shots and inteligence you can already see that he is one of a kind.
Pele's World Cup RECORDS that no one will ever Break + Most Assists in World Cup History - Pele (10 Assists) + Most Assists in World Cup Final - Pele (3 Assists, 2 in 1970, 1 in 1958) + Most Goals in World Cup Final - Pele (3 Goals, 2 in 1958, 1 in 1970) + Most Assists in Single World Cup - Pele (7 Assists, 1970) + Most Man of The Match in World Cup Final - Pele (1958, 1970) + Most Chances Created in Single World Cup - Pele (29 Chances Created in 1970) + Most Goals + Assists in World Cup - Pele (22 Goals + Assists) + Most Goals + Assists in World Cup Final - Pele (6 Goals + Assists) + Most World Cup Titles - Pele (3, 1958, 1970) + Youngest Player Ever to win World Cup - Pele (17 Age, 1958) + Youngest Player Ever to score in World Cup - Pele (17 Age, 1958) + Youngest Player Ever to score in World Cup Final - Pele (17 Age, 1958) + Youngest Player Ever to score Brace in World Cup Final - Pele (17 Age, 1958) + Only Player in the history to win Man of the Match in 2 World Cup Final - Pele (1958, 1970)
Very good, completely agree to every thing you said. People doubting Pelé finding different arguments are ignorant, the same you can say about Muhammad Ali but that doesn't change anything. He loved football and lived football and plus his brilliant skills, conclusion so many goals. Even if you take the FIFA stats it's still incredible!
i respect pele but i don't like him, hes a legend but you can tell the man does not know when someone is better or breaks a record, like my guy players pass you in things be glad that it took 2 of the best scorer ever to break your record but he instead he decided to make up some bs number, if he had released it before then it would be fine but instead he got mad that they broke hes record
@@sky3down367 Pelé didn't invent goals. In Pelé's era, official goals wasn't really a well-established concept, and even competitions like UCL and Libertadores (the south-american equivalent to the UCL) were still very young. Friendlies and unofficial competition could be valuable, and many of Pelé's goals in "friendlies" are against far stronger opposition than some of his official goals (there were weak teams in Brazil and in São Paulo's state championship, of course, like there are weak teams in each league today, but Pelé's stats and performances against pretty much every great team you can think of from football back then are also fantastic, he stat-padded against EVERYONE!). Pelé played against the entire european elite, and Santos, Pelé's club, actually abdicated from playing Libertadores after 1964 for the rest of decade because international tours were much more lucrative! The video fumbles in two things though: 1-Jairzinho wasn't the top-scorer in the 1970 World Cup. He was Brazil's top-scorer, with 7 goals in 6 games, and also scoring in every match (a feat no one has repeated since). But Gerd Müller was the top-scorer of the competition, with 10 goals. 2-The offside rule in Pelé's era was indeed more restrictive than the current one. But it's not because in Pelé's era, you had to have two players in front of you, while "today is only one". No, it's still two. The reason why the rule was harsher is because any offside player, even if not participating at all, could still cause a whole play to be ruled out as offside. I'll give you an example using Milan 5-0 Real Madrid in 1988/89 UCL semifinals, second leg. Real Madrid had over 20 offsides in that game, and the legendary Sacchi's Milan team showed total mastery of how to exploit the offside rule back then to its limits. Look at 24:00 of the video below. kzhead.info/sun/h5qLYJFwiqtva4E/bejne.html Also, same line was offside, not onside as it is stated in the current rule. If anyone wants to know more details, and check out themselves Pelé's numbers against european teams, and even more detailed research on Pelé's career, you can't miss out on this Twitter page. An insane amount of research. mobile.twitter.com/selecaotalk/status/1251863371168788485 Also, check out Bella Kona's channel. By far the biggest KZhead channel of Pelé footage. Let's not forget, but people sadly forget, that Pelé was truly an amazing ATHLETE! He helped revolutionize the sport, and he was insanely perfectionist in how well he took care of his health and training. He was physically and genetically privileged, could run 100 meters in less than 11 seconds, and was a true freak of nature overall. At his peak, mainly in the early to mid-60s, a ruthless competitive machine of 100% objectivity and insane skills that could even bulldoze past defenders in strong physical duels if necessary. More details on Pelé's amazing athletic atributes here. mobile.twitter.com/SelecaoTalk/status/1251890364207771650 And don't forget that Brazil won three World Cups in 12 years, and everyone in those teams was playing for a brazilian club! Overall, there can be zero doubt that Pelé is indeed a GOAT of this sport. I won't discuss here if he is greater than Messi or not, as I don't think there can be an absolute GOAT. But there can be a GOAT category, and Pelé and Messi are undoubtedly there, on the exact same tier. They should be in any Top 3 of greatest players in football history! I hope someday that all the ignorance and bullshit regarding Pelé that is still being spread online can finally stop. It's so, so unfair and disrespectful. I also recommend this Michael Cox article from The Guardian, though he makes mistakes regarding the brazilian state championships. Brazil wasn’t/is broken down in four regions, each state had/has its championship, but the clubs from the São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro states concentrated the vast majority of the talent, and there was even a Rio-São Paulo tournament as well. The big exception to the "rule" of talent being concentrated in São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro's clubs was Cruzeiro from the state of Minas Gerais, they won Taça Brasil in 1966 (there wasn't a brazilian league per se back then, Brazil's size, poor infra-structure and logistics made that impossible, so Taça Brasil was the closest to that, it was a very short KO tournament), beating Pelé's Santos in the finals in truly legendary fashion (6-2 in the first leg, 3-2 in the second), ending Santos' hegemony of five titles of Taça Brasil in a row. Coming back to the article though, Michael Cox is spot-on when it comes to the many unfair complaints thrown at Pelé, and also how the contexts of different eras can be so wildly different that stats' comparisons are ultimately unfair. theathletic.com/3185136/2022/03/16/individual-scoring-records-which-goals-count-who-on-earth-is-bican-and-what-about-pele/ The article is behind a paywall, so I'll quote the most important points. "Let’s start with Pele. In recent years, his goalscoring record has come to be mocked for various reasons, in part because his figure of 1,279 includes matches scored in youth matches, state competition matches and friendlies. Few of those goals were scored in youth competitions. It’s worth remembering that Pele was playing in Santos’ first team by the age of 15 and for Brazil by the age of 17. The concept of “friendlies” was, in the 1960s, somewhat different from today. Pele was the world’s greatest player, Santos were often regarded as the world’s greatest side, and those tour matches of Europe and Africa were taken extremely seriously by Santos and their opponents. For example, in Athens in 1961, Olympiakos defeated Pele’s Santos 2-1 - the Brazilian side’s first loss in a 13-game European tour. It is considered a victory of such importance that it features in the club anthem: “Everyone trembles at the very sound of your name / Pele and Santos still remember your name”, it proclaims. This is a club boasting 46 league titles and 28 Greek Cups, yet a victory in a “friendly” remains its most celebrated win. Some of the most famous matches of this era were friendlies - take Hungary’s win over England at Wembley in 1953, or Wolverhampton Wanderers’ famous 3-2 victory over Honved a year later. It’s not unreasonable for Pele to count those goals. Equally, since club friendlies in the modern era aren’t considered so prestigious, it would seem less understandable if Ronaldo or Lionel Messi’s goals in those games counted, and therefore for consistency, none are counted in “official” records. That’s all fair enough but it’s not like Pele is attempting to claim goals scored in his back garden. It’s also worth questioning why it is universally accepted that goals in international friendlies do count, but goals in club friendlies do not. Many of Pele’s goals in club friendlies will have been scored in much more competitive situations than, for example, Ronaldo’s friendly goals against Andorra, Luxembourg and Estonia."
the leagues were shorter back then, so teams could go touring and playing other tournaments to make some profit.
@@matheus5230 You are making things up same as Pele did. Started counting friendlies you too? What stronger teams? He scored sometimes like 5 goals against some total amateurs in some official matches. Also, many of his goals are proven to be false in terms that they should be counted. He also has played in far far far more amateurish football. Did you even watch him play in videos? It is totally amateurish football compared to today. He was good for that era, but thats it. And if you count friendly game goals it means you are insecure (talking about Pele here, not you).
@@vedadvehabovic6052 Brazil won three World Cups from 1958 to 1970. All of the players in those Brazil squads played in brazilian clubs. Also, you really either didn't read or straight-up ignored all I said in my comment, and the links I shared. Santos actively boycotted most of the Libertadores editions from the 60s, because it was far more lucrative to the club to play friendlies across the world. Back then, official games and tournaments weren't as well defined today, and the calendary had less games too. So, teams played friendlies that were taken very seriously. Some of the biggest games of that era were friendlies actually, like Hungary's historical 6-3 win against England at Wembley in 1953. All games featuring Pelé's Santos made stadiums across the world be fully crowded, and everyone wanted the bragging rights of beating Pelé, and everyone took the games very seriously. You can't look at the past with the eyes of the present, you have to understand the context of the era, things were different. In one of the links I shared, there are examples of strong teams Pelé played against across the world, and there is also a good video in KZhead called Pelé vs. Europe. Santos faced Eusébio's Benfica in 1966, and won by 4-0. Santos had already faced Benfica before, and in an official competition: the 1962 Intercontinental Cup. Santos beat Benfica by 5-2 at Benfica's home, with Pelé scoring a hat-trick and one assist. In 1959, Santos played a friendly against Real Madrid, and lost by 5-3, with Pelé scoring two goals. And the list goes on. You really should check out the video made by Daily Dose Football regarding Pelé. And please, read my first comment again, and this link below too, debunking all bullshit regarding Pelé, and also talking about Pelé's amazing athletic atributes, and how perhaps no other player did as much as Pelé in changing the sport and make it the global phenomenon it is. Pelé was the Messi of his era. He was already seen as the GOAT. And the far lesser globalization also made Pelé far harder to watching than Messi nowadays, so everyone wanted to see Pelé whenever they could, wherever he went. Everyone kissed where he stepped, he was worshipped like a god, and was a global celebrity that transcended the sport. Look at Netflix's doc called Pelé. mobile.twitter.com/selecaotalk/status/1251863371168788485
"people say all kinds of crazy things about Pelé" and that's why nobody gives them credit anymore. Who are they to judge the greatest of all time..
Pelé is still the 🐐 tho top 2 with Maradona! 🥇
Both of them would make CR7 and messi look like children
@@rtosviewer7915 to be fair Messi is very good he is the Maradona for this generation and put him and Di Stefano as next 2. Watch footage at 18 he was clearly special Ronaldo at 18 was not special he became that due to hard work
@@gmain1977 yeah
Outstanding production and research 👏🏽
These numbers are actually more than insane, jesus what a player 🤯❤
The man played 4 and won 3 World Cups, but Carragher, the former player who has more goals against than in favor, it's the genius. Lol
He was great in one. Injured during the second. And was part of an all great Brazilian team at the twilight of his career in 1970. Pele deserves respect, but we need to retrospectively analyse his career and achievements without nostalgia bias.
@@sergelondon916 he was good in 58 and 70, sad that he was injured in 62, he would be even better
@@sergelondon916 He was kicked out of the world cup in 1966 before the last group game which resulted in him seriously considering giving up on football all together due the rough challenges he consistently faced every game, this is something people fail to mention. Messi on the other hand failed to be extraordinary against physical teams hence the reason why he always struggled against the 2004-2012 chelsea fc
5:10 yes it is fair because he tried to count them
Era outros tempos, existiu até mesmo Campeonato Sulamericano Militar, onde a Seleção Brasileira Militar venceu a Seleção Argentina Militar, na final
I believe that the sport pele was in was totally to modern football. Let me explain, pele wasnt the fastest nor the most skilled, nor the most precise, but he was good enough due to his durability, and that is one trait modern footballers dont have very developed. You could have messi skills, but they would soon fade after 4 baseball style tackles and 3 kicks in your legs. When pele played there was no red or yellow card, defenders tackled you without piety. Thats the secret, pele played in a more crude, rudimentary, rugbyish sport.
There's no one ever like Pelé! All the facts, like you presenting here, that I already knew it, proves that. A total complete player, used both legs, heading the ball, chesting the ball, dribbling etc. No one is like him. Pelé was the best among the best. in 1958 he was the best, he saved Brazil against Wales. In 1970 he had the best moments of the tournament, like dribbling Uruguay goalie without touching the ball and someone trying for the first time in a world cup to score a goal from the other side of the field.
Respect pele because he is the guy who scored the most goals in the world cup
That is not true at all!
@@NEELZE99 Yes,it is !!!!
@@chello70 klose?
Not even most goals in the World cup by a Brazilian
The man played 4 World Cups and won 3. The end. Respect is not something that you demand from people, you earn it !!!! And The King has earned his !!!! No footballer in the history of the sport has ever even come close to win 3 World cups !!! Bow when you talk about Pele !!!! Long live The King 👑of football !!!!
Shame Pele never had a chance to play with a top European club like present day...this would have been a sight to see...
No need. Top 5 teams in the world were probably brazilian at that time.
@@lebarbosa9778 😂😂😂 funny joke
You don't have to entertain white people to be great
Brazilian clubs at that time were among the best in the world, as all of the Brazilian national team played in Brazil. It was not necessary to play in Europe, Pelé beat them in the world cup and intercontinental.
@@user-vm9hh2se7s Heard of Jose Altafini? HE was displaced by Pele in 1958 and came to Series A where he dominated. End of.
Todays Kids And Teens Don’t Appreciate Old Icons, Their Greatness, Because As Soon As They See A Lower Quality Black And White Clip They Pass Out From “Boredom” Because Of Their ADHD, In Fact They Don’t Know Nothing About Him, Pele And Many Others Revolutionized Football And Made It The Game We Know Today Without Billions Of Dollars Or Ultra Complicated Tactics Based So One Player Could Preform (Messi For Example), Football Respect Has Ended, Instead Of Enjoying The Games, Players And Football In General Now They Like Fo Compare Insult And Argue, That’s Why Football Back Then Was Better As A Sport And Harder Beside It Was Technologically Less Advanced.
Great video, Pele was truly masterful, it's so sad his health is deteriorating. I have a slight correction. We still have the 2 player offside rule today, you are forgetting about the goalkeeper. In 1925 the rule was changed from a 3 player offside rule, to the 2 player offside rule we have today. So it was actually harder to score before 1925, but Pele always played in the 2 player offside rule era, so it's no different than today.
But still rule was restrictive. Like even in same line of 2 nd last would be considered offside during 1970 and even the person who is in offside and even though he is not involved in playing would be considered offside for whole team. So goal scoring was still tough.
My grandma keeps remind me of Pele's hat-trick against her village 😂😂😂
She's senile
😂😂😂👍👍👍👍
Pele is the GOAT better than CR7, and Messi
Nope.
@@is17a985 Yup
Love the vid
R.I.P LEGEND 🙏🏾🕊🕯🥀💔⚽️
Bro scored like ishowspeed in the charity match. Though for real, he does deserve more credit and I do wish he played in Europe. Banger video. Please make a video on Jarzinho.
Non sense. Do you even know what backyards goals are? Pele was the main face of football that time & there was not much tournaments like present. That's why they travel the world & played against all european giants. What you are calling backyards goals that's actually scored against Madrid, Milan,United,Ajax & all big big clubs that time. His goal ratio was above 1 against all european giants that time. He was better than Messi/Ron anyday.What he invented 60 years ago then rest of all used it in their game.😁 If you want prove visit a channel called "Bella Kona".
@@asifiqbal-Relentless that channel is EXTREMELY bias towards Pele and his videos don't prove anything
@@marcysai146 Wtf are you talking? That guy gave you all the prove you need that how Pele did every single things what today's players are doing. Pele is the greatest & It's a fact
@@asifiqbal-Relentless European giants? Those were all non league and extremely low tier teams. Many of those team names were similar to Europe giants (He scored 7 or 8 against a team named Juventus , however, that wasn't the real Juventus but just a non league team consisting of navy merchants) but in reality the teams consisted of amateur players working in other jobs.
@@asifiqbal-Relentless I would suggest you to do your own research instead of hearing opinions of people on KZhead.
Todas essas jogadas feitas hj em dia... já foram feitas pelo Pelé. Existem compilações das tais jogadas. Ele é uma lenda. Respeita a história do cara.
He will forever remain in our hearts ❤
The Thing is: back then, international friendlies were as same important as official games... but FIFA is a bureacratic minded organization and does not have this sense/felling and historical perspective to consider it..... I ask fthe young ones. : can you imagine if CR7 VS Messi went both back to Real and Barcelona, and then a tycon wants to promote a friendly 'el clasico" in Wembley stadium? does not matter how serious the teams would play, or how many goals they would score, FIFA won't consider anything from this game...
Yes he did.
Great video. Keep it up.
I guess we need to count Messi and CR7 goals from the academy, the tally might be over 5000
Pele getting ready to edit his Wikipedia page during the World Cup to add more goals to his overall goal count when Neymar breaks his record for most goals scored in history of Brazil National Team. Neymar needs to score at least 3 more goals at World Cup (Brazil aren't playing any friendlies before their first World Cup Group stage game) to overtake Pele as the all-time record goal scorer for Brazil
Pelé tem 95 gols pela Seleção Brasileira, esta no site da CBF. Diga não ao eurocentrismo e etnocentrismo europeu!
Actually no joke, he actually scored 96 instead of 72. But they didn't count because he was playing against clubs and regional teams.
@@DailyDoseOfFootballYT E hoje, CR7 e Messi marcam gols contra Luxemburgo, e é gol oficial. Sem falar que Messi marcou gol contra time da terceira divisão do Espanhol, na Copa do Rei, e é considerado gol oficial, enquanto Pelé marcou gol contra o Internazionale, Barcelona, Milan e é considerado “amistoso “. A geração atual não respeitam o passado e o que estão fazendo contra Pelé é algo sem hombridade
@@LeonardoGuerreiro but do they count Messi's and Ronaldo's pre season friendly goals..an official match is an official match
@@baboucarrnjie7084 Antigamente a temporada durava só 3 meses, no restante dos meses, os clubes organizavam partidas "amistosas" que na verdade eram duelos. Os amistosos faziam parte do calendário, porque os times precisavam jogar e jogavam para ganhar. O sentimento de jogos amistosos é atual, pois nos oficiais tem prêmios e dinheiro e direitos de imagem, mas antigamente não, tanto os "oficiais" como os "amistosos" valiam a mesma coisa e davam o mesmo dinheiro. Mas para o Santos, jogar "amistosos" pelo mundo dava mais dinheiro do que jogar torneios e por isto os principais times do Brasil deixaram de jogar a Libertadores e excurcionsvam pelo mundo, não só o Santos, mas outros times brasileiros também. As excursões do Santos pelo mundo, fazia parte do calendário, tinham datas para acontecerem e ocorriam com a autorização da Confederação Paulista e Confederação Brasileira e aval da FIFA. O problema é que vocês europeus são muito eurocentristas. Talvez se Pelé fosse branco, não haveria toda essa militância para desconstruir os feitos de Pelé e do futebol sulamericano do passado. Todos os jogos de Pelé foram oficiais, esse revisionismo histórico começou em 2004 com a Revista Placar, para favorecer Romário. Respeite os critérios do passado!