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Boeing Starliner delayed again! NASA officially revealed what was wrong with this spacecraft...
Alright, whether you have enough faith to be disappointed or not, the Boeing Starliner just got another delay!
Specifically, in an October 12 announcement, NASA officials said the first manned test flight of Starliner has been delayed another month, until early April 2024.
The reason for the change was not given.
The target date for the first operational flight of Boeing spacecraft has also been delayed to early 2025 from summer 2024.
NASA and Boeing previously said they were eyeing early March 2024 as the date for Starliner’s debut with astronauts, the Crew Flight Test (CFT). However, this was a projected ship readiness date, not an official launch date. NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams will take part in the CFT, en route to and from the ISS.
This means that SpaceX will complete up to ten operational crew launches for NASA before Boeing does its first - and potentially half a decade after SpaceX's first, no less, right?
Starliner suffered several problems on its first mission, called Orbital Flight Test (OFT), shortly after launch in December 2019 and did not arrive at the ISS as planned. The successor mission, May 2022's OFT-2, made it to the ISS and back to Earth.
BAD News for Boeing Starliner! NASA finally realized Dragon is 1000x better...
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I have noted a tendancy for this channel to publish a new title promising new and/or provocative content only to spend 97% of the vid recycling old content, both verbal and video. I will unsubsidized.
Did the door or wheels fall off of Starliner? 😂
No its still go for launch
Not yet.... Yet.
Both
@@the_lomax I wonder, are all the system clocks set to match each other this time?
Becarefull @the80hdgaming. Boeing is a stand up company, and that's why the whistle blower shot himself twice in the head from guilt.
Boeing, the company run by stock traders who brought you the "famous" Boeing 737 Max.
The reality of the problem is simple. One company is worried about DEI/CRT and SpaceX is worried about results
Boeing needs to put more engineers and less bankers on its board of directors. The board of Boeing used to be all engineers
If it worked perfectly, and it certainly doesn't, it would still be too expensive.
👍👍👍
Imagine if SpaceX won a contract worth $4.2 Billion. How far down the test flight track would Starship be now?
... beyond the Moon ...
Starships cost to date is above that and still not successful.
There is still a lot of things to do like the NASA MOON BUGGY and MOON Covered Transporter.... All they have to do is take an EV Car and slap a solar panel an etc... Just figure were during the production of the Earth base EV to stop the process and insert the space build.
Close to Martian orbit?
@@davidh9844 Yet it has spent more and cannot make a stable earth orbit.
Ohhh man…. I would not want to be the astronauts that have to go up on that!!!!
DITTO!
They are very brave people. Didn't the original astronaut resign after the failure of the first Starliner launch?
You couldn't get me on it at gun point.
Exactly..
Who drew the short straw...
It LOOKS like a Homer Simpson design.
Great Episode. Did mice get into the wiring again.🤣
what a disgrace and waste of tax payers money
SpaceX saved NASA and Boeing
@@colonbina1 The way Elon is constantly shaded in the press, you would think that Dragon is the one having problems.😡
I hope you also say the same about the tax money they are sending to Selenski.
@BSnicks why do you hope that? Are you saying that you don't mind Putin killing innocent civilians? If your mom was in Ukraine, would you not want President Zelensky to try to stop Putin from killing her, too?
The Commercial Crew contracts are fixed-price contracts, so Boeing has been paying for the Starliner fixes since Dec 2019. NASA has NOT been paying the cost overruns for Starliner.
@ 3:38 "... so what went wrong...?" *(Pictures show Boeing 737 MAX planes)* Now _that_ was well played, Kevin
Yeah, I noticed that too. I wonder if it was on purpose?
Thanks for your contribution. We'll take note this ☺️
i thought it was on May 6th
Yeah, CFT-1 will be launched on that day
@@colonbina1 I doubt it.
how to solve NASA budget cuts... cut Starliner
And SLS. Suddenly, NASA could achieve so much more if they did.
Too late...paid for...nothing
@@ryanab01 Without SLS to send Orion to the Moon, there is NO Artemis program. Starship is nowhere near ready for Earth launches and landings and if it doesn't get a LOT more reliable, might never do Earth launches and landings.
@@steveaustin2686 you expect reliability in 4 test launches?
@@Jadefox32 For crew to be put on Starship to launch from and more importantly land on Earth, Starship needs to be VERY reliable in the landing sequence with the Flip-n-Burn catch landing. Starship is still very early in the development process and whether or not Starship can get to be that reliable for Earth launches and landings is still an open question.
This may be the first video on the channel that sounds authentic....good job
This video is a testament to the strength of Boeing's political clout in Washington. This is not the only place where Boeing got special treatment. I expect that it is only now, with Boeing on the ropes because of its other problems, that finally an independent appraisal became possible. I have felt sorry for the NASA spokespeople who have had to mouth support for Boeing.
Indeed. It's time for Boeing to be taken down a notch, especially since it is a matter of national security.
*When* S^^^liner strands its passengers in space SpaceX will have to send up a Dragon to rescue them
Just give BOEING another 20 BILLION chump change for NASA it seems 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"....target date pushed back..." cue video clip of a clock hands going anticlockwise: priceless!
It’s supposed to launch may 6th
The upcoming StarLiner Max should take care of these nagging issues.
Don't worry about the door plug installed in the back, we're sure the bolts are installed properly.
I’m expecting Boeing to do something really stupid about the upcoming flight due to a manufacturing defect or hardware failure.
5 hours ago they were tweeting about it happening next month?
May the 6th, 2024... It does not have a happy ring to it, like 'May the Fourth be with you!' does! The sad thing is, that the May 6th date happened due to a pushback from an earlier date due to concerns of getting needed supplies to the ISS.
@@thomasboese3793 The CRS-30 Dragon 2 capsule was in the IDA port that Starliner would use. NASA also wants to reposition the Crew Dragon to the other IDA port once CRS-30 left, for future cargo missions. That is why the launch was pushed back a few days to May 6th.
Hold on, this is a year old!
No more last-minute launch failure. No more launch delay, No more cost-overrun. This suggestion is gonna work. In addition, it is the most cost effective alternative - that is NASA should team up with China CNSA to return to the Moon.
When was this made?
May not March
My mistake!! sorry about that
NASA definition of existentialism: Ignore all costs!
NASA has not announced a delay till 2025 for Starliner. Scheduled launch is May 6, 2024! I don’t know where this channel is getting its information but it sure isn’t NASA.
May 6, 2024 is 4 days away. I've got $1000 that says it does NOT launch on May 6, 2024.
@@geraldscott4302 I would never bet on a launch going when scheduled, especially a first crewed mission. Too many variables.
Insider information. I have a bridge for you if Starliner launches this month.
@@chakeres if they knew what they were doing, they would have made the launch... Saturn V was made within the timeframe. let me put it to you this way... Saturn V was in development for FIVE years, just 5... then they yeeted a trio of people toward the moon and kept going back until the TV ratings plummeted. Starliner? it's first test launch... TEST LAUNCH was conducted FIVE years ago... Boeing knows how this works, they were the ones that made the FIRST STAGE to the Saturn V!
@@HappyfoxBizBoeing and co knew back in the 1960s and 70s. You think Boeing knows now?
I Was Expecting A-lot Of, "Did They Remember To Tighten The Bolts" Or Something Similar, Type Jokes. Thank You.
This video is old already at 10 days. The First crew launch scheduled May 6 10:34 ET was scrubbed about 2 hrs due to a valve issue. ED&I strikes again.
A Dragon with a crew of two around the moon like Apollo 8 did is all that Space X needs to conquer the entire space domain .
Dragon is not rated for a trip of that duration, nor is Starliner. Not enough consumables on board. This is why NASA needs Orion.
@@dottybass57 Neither Starliner nor Crew Dragon have the shielding for operating out from under the Van Allen belt nor the propulsion to make it back from the Moon either.
Contrary to what is said in this presentation Boeing had nothing to do with the Apollo Lunar Landing Program, North American Aviation in Downey, Calif was the Prime Contractor for the Command and Service Modules and the Stage 2 of the launch rocket. After the Apollo 201 test mishap they merged with Rockwell Tools who eventually merged with MacDonald -Douglass in Huntington Beach, Calif who then merged with Boeing-Houston for the current International Space Staton. Program.
While ULA keeps trying to successfully launch Starliner once SpaceX is well along developing its competitor Starship. You shouldn't compare Starliner with Falcon, I understand the difference in payload capacity and capability is too vast. But it's noteworthy that until Starliner can complete just one mission even one that is very minimal Starliner isn't in the game at all.
It's kinda what happens when there's a lack of competition.
Big corporations became inefficiency.. ..to much bureaucracy
Nicely done. No flowery phrasing and great editing. I knew you guys could do it. And in closing, Boeing is going to go the way of Nokia and Kodak.
It will never get off the ground.
Good morning
Have a nice day!!!
Boing can't afford bad press at this point. They've got to be 100% sure there will be no problems.
Junklner will never be used as more than a prop. Dragon has junkliner beat in every single way.
This reminds me the HLS joke
I wonder if Boeing will make it before the ISS is decommissioned.
Oh maybe that's the trick!!!! Boeing is waiting until SpaceX dismantles the ISS and brings it back to earth before attempting another docking????
But SpaceX stopped building Dragon Capsules. Even if they are re-usable, if NASA puts all its eggs in the SpaceX basket with a ship no longer being made and the ir next gen not actually working yet, they could find themselves in the same place they were when the Shuttle stopped flying. They need to always have 2 in case one has a problem.
lol … what everybody else said about doors popping off. This is a sad and feeble attempt by a company on life-support.
Boeing was in the Hair dressing business too. They got out of that. They never were able to develop Scissors that cut.
Honestly, NASA should give the Capsule over to SpaceX to work out the problems and launch it on a Falcon.
Yeah👍
@@colonbina1 No, that is a dumb idea. The whole point of the Commercial Crew program was to get TWO providers so that NASA would NOT be stuck if one provider had problems. If NASA had chosen only the top bid in Sep 2014 for Commercial Crew, NASA might still be buying Soyuz capsules to get crew to the ISS.
@@colonbina1 What is up with all the posts disappearing?
@@steveaustin2686 Redundancy is a policy NASA finally was able to enact after gaps in spaceflight after Skylab, 2 shuttle groundings, and post shuttle. And these SpaceX fanboys wanna repeat mistakes of the past and put all our chips on one horse
@@apollo4619 The Commercial Resupply Services program started with two providers in Dec 2008. Dragon from SpaceX and Cygnus from Northrop Grumman (Orbital Sciences then). Dream Chaser was added to CRS in Jan 2016 and is slated to fly later this year or in early 2025. Yeah, if NASA has chosen only the top bid in Sep 2014, then Crew Dragon might not have been built and NASA could still be buying Soyuz capsules to get to the ISS. The 'rah, rah, rah SpaceX rulz' fanbois are as bad as the SpaceX haters.
Wasn’t this the year to land on the sun and begin harvesting sunlight?
Maybe Boing should.learn to master aircraft manufacturing before they start going into space
They could just have more share buybacks with the money instead.
A prime example of government bureaucracy stupidity
Boeing isn't even the premier commercial airline company anymore. Ever since their merger with McDonnel Douglas, safety culture has gone out the window & so has airline passengers. I would NEVER trust a spacecraft designed by Boeing.
the thing that is the saddest is that Dragon is performing however Starship is not and they are now wanting to develop Starship 2 and possibly later on, announce a 3rd version. NASA should just go with the old saying "if she ain't what you paid for, don't accept delivery"
Especially considering NASA is bankrolling the entire starship program
Oh maybe that's the trick!!!! Boeing is waiting until SpaceX dismantles the ISS and brings it back to earth before attempting another docking????
When you put accountants in charge of an aerospace company...
Why is Nasa sticking with the Starliner-is it because they employ so many engineers that need the salary?
No, because NASA wants redundancy, so they are not stuck with one crew vehicle if problems develop. They don't want to be stuck without a vehicle, like what happened in the Shuttle program after those two disasters.
@steveaustin2686 sounds reasonable- a backup-but they need a new design- too many problems w/this one.
@@zarl5238 Why start development all over again? SpaceX didn't after a Crew Dragon exploded on a test stand due to faulty valves. Boeing has been fixing the problems on their own dime and NASA has been watching them closely ever since the Dec 2019 failed OFT-1 flight.
@steveaustin2686 good point- Boeing is paying for it. Who is paying for Dreamchaser? Is it Nasa or a private company??
@@zarl5238 Dream Chaser has a CRS contract from NASA to take cargo to the ISS. NASA is the customer of all the aerospace companies. SNC wants to use the CRS contract to prove Dream Chaser towards a crew version, but for now, that is all on SNC's dime, as they don't have a crew contract right now.
NASA will do what they do, spend millions on obsolescence and possible failure only to give over long premature briefings on how successful they are.
They should spend all on SpaceX 🚀
Ha,Ha,I thought this was a good one,NASA s Congressional oversight committee chairman just testing his microphone: Testing, testing, one billion, ten billion, twenty billion, delay,delay, problem, problem. Yepper, mic is working fine!❤
Boeing famously tell their employees to keep an eye on the stock market and not safety issues. Problem is, if it aint safe it dont fly in space. A company rotten to the core.
So Spacex and Dragon will still lead the race to ISS even if Starliner launch successfully
@@colonbina1 The race was lost for Boeing long ago NASA is keeping them of for Redundancy in case of Dragon accidents. A good policy
As an engineer I'm soo sad for Boeing. A study case of management by committee vs top down strong leadership run. Early Steve Jobs (Elon Musk) vs a committee. Easy to see where the planes crash problems started. ;( ;( ;(
And I digress
BOEING presents cost overruns: "Yeah! More money! 🤑". NASA asks independent evaluation. BOEING: "Fuck! They caught us!".
I have too many comments about Boeing (all angry) to even bother commenting about them. Where to even start?
Trouble is at the end of the day "starship" is a ship ... Not a capsule... And space x is about their business..just saying
But they are Boeing, can't they just sign off on Thier own recognosence?
Boeing and the other government funding contractors have got to stop treating said contract as a buffet for whatever they want. This is a great insight into what competition can do.
It's a fixed price contract, he said as much in the video. Boeing is bleeding money on this
@@Sean-yt1jn This is false. Boeing sets a "fixed price" contract, however, they have always had cost over-runs, and they have always passed that antithesis of savings on to the government. I know this factually.
@@dascokc it sounds like you think this is a cost plus contact, which is what he said in the video that it is not, and that would be what youre saying with cost overruns and guaranteed profit. A fixed price contract means a price for the product is settled on and Boeing gets no more money if they used all of that budget up, but they still have to deliver the product to the customers requirements
@@Sean-yt1jn I did my final thesis on Boeing and cost overruns, I understand what they’ve said and I know what they do. Short of telling you my job, which I won’t do, I’m saying it’s just not true.
@@dascokc you dont have to tell me what you do for a living to explain why or how it's working differently from how it was presented in the video. "Trust me" isnt an explanation and if you arent going to offer one then why comment in the first place
Confused….even if it is a joke, isn’t it scheduled for a May 6, 2024 launch…or has that been postponed? Great SpaceX just get your facts straight…or am I mistaken
So all the problems dragon faced during testing meant it was crap....DOH
The bigger question is if those 2 astronauts for the manned flight test are worried at all. Boeing in general has been far less than stellar in their safety and reliability (including Starliner). Boeing is a bloated mess of a company used to getting a pass for cost overruns, waste, etc. SpaceX has not been perfect, but they take every failure and learn from it to make the next launch better. They've exceeded the proposed launch cadence for the STS system by a lot and have a far better safety record.
How hard is it to build a working space capsule? Stop trying to reinvent the wheel, and go back to what worked, the Apollo Capsule. Plenty of capsules at museums, so copying the original should not be a problem. With modern CAD/CAM techniques, Boeing should be able to get a new capsule up and running in no time. .
Must be a lot of backhanders going on?
Boeing was a leader until it merged with a loser of McDonnell Douglas. McDonnell Douglas never designed a 'new' airframe from the ground up, preferring to just tweak an old design by adding a foot here and there to make it look better. Boeing since the merger has not designed a new commercial airframe from the ground up, just adding things trying to keep customers happy. It's never good to make changes and not tell the customer the what/why/how you did things in the dark. Not even a paper trail for the pilots to know something was different.
Government in a nutshell
Great Video ! Is this a great video of misinformation ? The Boeing Crew Starliner is a Test Flight set for 06 May 2024 and should happen on time or soon after ! After the SpaceX Crew Dragon is ready to come home from the ISS, the Boeing Starliner if ready will launch on its first contracted commercial flight for a stay of six months on the ISS ! NASA killed two Crews of the NASA Space Shuttle program and one Crew could of been saved if NASA had a second launch provider ! Also two or more launch providers (Go Dream Chaser) will keep prices from rising too fast ! The Tech developed to return to the moon, can take US and the world to Mars and beyond ! Go SpaceX, Go Boeing, Go ULA, Go Sierra Space, Go Blue Origin and others and all are needed ! ! ! tjl
I bought a mission patch for the Starliner CTF. Wanna bet it'll never fly? The patch may end up being valuable in the future.
Boeing's business model has always been to have the taxpayers pay for their mistakes as they go along. They're not used to being held accountable financially.
schedule and politics was more important than the oring... nasa is still operating the same way Also... ever since the "first contact" disaster on the moon, nasa is not so anxious to go back there, despite, again, scheduling and politics. Mars is better, for some reason.
The Boeing CEO of the Space stuff either is trying to play coy or is just not a believer in the reality of commercial space travel. I think that's very short sighted if so.
It’s a jobs program that will waste more money then be cancelled within three years once jobs are available for executives and union employees.
The Commercial Crew contracts are fixed-price contracts, so Boeing has been paying for the Starliner fixes since Dec 2019. NASA has NOT been paying the cost overruns for Starliner.
@@steveaustin2686 So?
@@JZainbear So, NASA is NOT paying for the Starliner fixes. Boeing is paying for the Starliner fixes and has been since 2020.
@@steveaustin2686 so, it’s still a union jobs program and a waste of money. The byproduct of an inefficient and poor company management. Who pays is irrelevant.
@@JZainbear NASA wants TWO providers so that they are NOT stuck like they were during the Shuttle era if there is a problem with one spacecraft. AGAIN, Boeing is paying for the fixes.
HOW MANY HOMELESS COULD WE SUPPORT IF WE ELIMINATE THIS PROGRAM ?
😆 sorry, but like the Planes... Fail after Fail
Why am I not surprised a channel called "great spacex" who clearly fawns all over Musk in every video is trying to paint another space industry company negatively
The sad thing is that it's much more than just starliner. Boeing right now can't build their planes much less their space craft. Boeing would have been shut down if they weren't so big. Boeing is a sad parody of the company it was in the past. It remains to be seen if Boeing doesn't change. Sadly I doubt they can fix their problems.
What "finally realized"? They just held off this long to soften the obvious blow to troubled Boeing and keep Elon's ego in check at the same time.
Boeing ??????
Another delay? From a Boeing product? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.... (sarcasm)
Boeing is committed - to take as long as possible and charge as much as possible. Along came a competitor who knew what it felt like to almost fail as a business and learned not only to survive but thrive on as little money as possible.
Incorrect. The Commercial Crew contracts are fixed-price contracts, so Boeing has been paying for the Starliner fixes since Dec 2019.
"Our" oligarchs at work?
Elon Fanboys only here. Would you dare criticize Elon for Starship delays or only the FAA?? Obama knew private space companies could be more nimble and faster to get things done resulting in eventually being cheaper but NASA is still a major force
The rot in Boeing has been festering for 20 years. It will take at least 10 to get rid of it, to retrain at least a generation, assuming they went back to Boeing's original management style today.
No they just realized they didn't need those specs that Starliner meets and Dragon doesn't.
Say what?
@@kenknowlton3085 Dragon can't be recovered on land, can't stay on station for the length spec'd, and internal volume less than the original spec. just to name a few.
@@robertarnold9815 HAHAHAHILARIOUS 🤡
Your in comedy, right? SpaceX gave NASA a working capsule that the astronauts love as a lower cost of development and deployment. Boeing as given them nothing but delays and cost overruns. To try to say a working system is not better than a system that simply can't be used safely is more than funny it's insulting.
@kstaxman2 gee, seems like you can't read. I never said Starliner was better or in fact needed. Just that Dragon didn't follow the specs which turned out not to be needed. Really, try some comprehension skills or wait to comment until you graduate from junior high school.
Cancel Starliner. Further fund Sierra Nevada Dream Chaser.
Your opinion is absurd. Space-X Dragon was engineered to deliver people and crew to the ISS. Starliner was designed for far deeper space mission. Also note that Space-X has a freewheeling "build-launch-fail-try again" philosophy. This fine, but it's clear that NASA takes a different, far more careful process. They are different spacecraft, designed for vastly different missions. You also forgot to mention Starliner's trip around the Moon.
I think you have Starliner and Orion mixed up. Orion is built by Lockheed Martin and is the crew spacecraft for the Artemis Moon missions. Starliner was built for the ISS and is built by Boeing.
This are the result of DEI at Boeing.
Yet another example of government spending finding new ways to waste tax payer money.
Poor William Boeing. Must be turning in his grave. Such a great company turned into a boardroom of greedy stockbrokers, amateurs that I wouldn’t trust with a Lego build.
I think that NASA should launch the Boeing ISS craft on a SpaceX first stage.
The Atlas-V is a great booster and has NOT been the problem delaying Starliner. NASA wants redundancy, which is WHY Crew Dragon and Starliner launch on separate boosters.
Boeing's planes are falling apart. What to expect from their spacecrafts??
Boeing should sell company to China. The exec/accountants will agree.😂😂😂😂
Now imagine if Jeff bezos buys ULA. Think it’ll be faster or a continuation of the money sink? Given there track record of blue origin, which is older than space x, I think we know the answer to that.
your hearts are worthless lol. Either do it right or let it be. This automatic ..... does not make sense.