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If anything I had the opposite problem regarding interference lol. My Fantech XD7 constantly caused ping spikes into the thousands of milliseconds because it was using the same frequency as my WiFi on channel 1. Stopped after switching the network to channel 11. The mouse was working just fine though, so I kinda doubt that massive receiver would improve performance much
I don't understand your criticism for the scroll wheel, i find it to be perfect and really tactile with very defined steps, it is my favourite by far compared to every mouse i have owned, The worst one being the dav3 scroll wheel which skips steps and scrolls on its own, that thing had a way too light scroll wheel.
totally agree with you here, i was using the da v3 pro with the 4k dongle previously and changed to ec2-cw once it came out in my country. One of the main reasons why i changed was the scroll wheel on the da v3 pro, i would accidentally jump in games constantly (using scroll wheel to jump in cs/valo) and it annoyed the hell out of me. The zowie mouse definitely has a better scrollwheel here, i would say the only downside is that it gets too loud whenever i use the scrollwheel and the sound gets recorded in my game audio whenever i record my gameplay.
100 percent. There's scroll wheels for browsing the internet, and scroll wheels for changing weapons in game (if that's your jam). Having a more tactile and defined step scroll wheel makes more sense in game.
a lot of people disliked the feel of the zowie scrollwheel, it’s very slow and heavy to use, and sometimes it didn’t function properly, as in it was defect in some cases. So yea it’s a preference thing. I really dislike the scrollwheel personally, I don’t use the scrollwheel to select weapons ingame, i very early on removed those keybinds. But a lot of my friends swear its the bestest.
I never minded the scroll wheel on the 4 zowie mice I own. However, once I started playing Apex Legends, I had to switch to a different mouse as the scroll wheel is important for certain movement mechanics, which are easy to perform on nearly any mouse but the zowie. Another problem with the mouse is the coating, of all mice I own, only the zowie's coating wears down, which results in it gathering up sweat which you have to remove every day. Otherwise, the EC mice have always been perfect for me.
man doesn't know about the scroll wheel feels real seal of approval
I loved my ec1a back before light wireless mice were a thing. But the switches and scroll broke like 5 years in. Yeah well it's actually impressive when you think about it but Idk I didn't expect it to start double clicking. And imagine how I felt like when I proceeded to buy a g502 that started double clicking as well within a year. I literally gave up on trying to find a good mouse and bought a g305 since it was cheap and wireless. Now it's been 3 years since then and I just ordered my first light mouse, a cheap ajazz aj199 for like 45 euros off of ali with vat and shipping which is like half the price of the lamzu atlantis I've been eyeing for the past half a year. I expect it to do the job just fine though, all I want is for it not break within a year lol.
Maybe the scrollw dont sound that good as gpx but for me it has way more feedback for jumps in cs go and also i can click the scrollwheel without rolling it by mistake wich is a plus for me
My review for EC2-CW, my former is Razer Viper V2 + 4k Dongle added: - The shape of EC2 is really nice. I do think that I prefer Ergo more than Ambi so it's just personal preference. - Performance wise I can't notice any difference. I have 360hz Zowie and I can't really tell the what 4k polling rate improves. - Portability: Now this part is where EC2 shines the most IMO. With the former V2, I kept worrying that the battery would die in the middle of the heat (especially with 4k polling). The EC2 has great battery life, if I want to charge, I don't have to unplug and plug - just put it on the receiver and thing is set. - Software: very plug and play. Sometimes the Synapse would freeze on my PC or dced my V2. - Scroll wheel: For gaming - no problem, its great. For browsing, kinda annoying due to lots of notch, noise, and resistance.
You know what 4k polling rate really improves..... Price of the mouse
is that viper v2 pro ? i do have now and planning to buy zowie ec3 cw , do you think is worthy? my hands 18x10 size
@@kemalyasinarsal2246 I used Viper Ultimate, V2 Pro, SPL v2, EC2-CW, Pwnage Stormbreaker, must say I prefer Pwnage and Razer the most due to the side width is narrower than normal. EC3-CW is cool but too heavy tbh, U2 might be the better option despite shape.
As someone that uses scroll for jump, it’s heaven
I tried 20+ mice in the last 18 months or so. This finally ended my obsessive search. I agree the dock seems unnecessary but it's been great for me. Use the USB dongle with my work laptop and the dock with my PC.
I've tried about 20 or so in the last 3 years and I am loving the viper mini signature edition. I think its time to sell the majority of my mice I own until the rest of the mouse scene catches up to this thing.
@@iJansport im planning to buy the zowie … but what u prefer viper or lamzu??
@@Met845 i stayed away from the lamzu because the xm1r wasn't working for me last time I tried it. I currently use viper mini signature edition still. Also htx 4k is really good if you don't mind dealing with gwolves. These are my top 2, I use a fingertip/relaxed claw hybrid type of grip. But some people have been using zowie for years and are used to their shapes, at that point I would stick with them since they have countless hours on those shapes
@@iJansport bro should i buy AW720M ??? Seems nice
Love the comedy aspect as always 🤣 Such a shame the scroll wheel has made its way over to the wireless versions. It’s also €179 in Europe
I'ma just say this, I've owned a G402, DeathAdder Elite, EC-2B, Viper Mini, MZ1, DeathAdder V2 Mini & back to a MZ1 currently & my favourite wheel out of all of those mice over the years was the EC.
The only piece of gear I’ve ever had wireless interference problems with is the glorious model D. Was one of the main reasons I sold it
You did well pointing out one thing I'll always praise Zowie for, the amount of sizes they have. I really wanna try DAV3 but it seems too big, but at the same time if they release a mini version it's gonna be too small. It's like some brands, specially Razer, follow the "Go big or go mini" ideology
seems too big but it does feels to big, at least for me, and I don't have large hands but medium sized ones. I just love it, the best mouse I owned to this day. also have, for gaming, the new cobra (the replacement for the viper mini) and it's also great with top edge performance except in battery time that could be better if they continued with the dav3 pro strategy of taking out the RGB (you can dim it to zero in that awful software of razor, synapse, although I like their mice a lot and logitech too which I formerly used and am restarting with a couple only, and you'll save battery but will not save on the weight also due to the RGB which makes the small cobra a 76g mouse compared to 64g of the much bigger but quite comfortable dav3 pro). Cheers
Yeah the scroll wheel was so bad I just got rid of the little plastic piece that make it notch, now its smooth and silent
i stick to my v2 pro. i feel like the tech in zowie just isn't there. the viper mini is too small for me and this new zowie wireless stuff just seems to be less than impressive, especially regarding the price and tech. weight, sensor, clicks is all sort of outdated.
I'm with a g pro superlight and the scroll wheel might be silent but it literelly broke in 6 month usage, I bought it march and I've been having scroll issues the last couple of days...
i mean the v3 pro exists... kinda seems like thats just this but better in every way
tbh when im playing my fps games it sometimes does indeed feel like signal has skipped a little, like i didnt move my mouse as far as it did on the screen, idk might be just me
i need vaxee to release the outset ax wireless that'd be my endgame for sure
nice video. the razer cobra pro weigths the same with better optics and and unfortunate return to rgb on wireless gaming mice. only price is the same, reason why zowie going this path will continue to lose market share to other brands, no only razer, but logitech, corsair... It's a shame that in the mainstream media of gaming mice zowie does not appear or rarely do so in the top 20 mice on the market for gaming purposes (but not only). And sure, the scrolling wheel... omg! Cheers.
The most common complaint I get regarding wireless interference is Bluetooth (most commonly with a bluetooth speaker or a controller, never my trusty Superlight) interfering with Wi-Fi signals at 2.4 GHz, as they have similar bandwidths.
strange, such never happened to me. what I do notice is that bluetooth mice are much less reliable compared to rf ones. bluetooth mice, imo, have no place in the gaming niche, but their still useful in trips if you want to connect to devices with few (usb A and even C) connections like some budget notebooks or great "working" stations for my field of work (which requires small and mobile) like iPdads or MS Surface Pro (both can be used 2 in one, tablet or decent laptop for field work). Cheers.
3:20 BRO WTF I just realized you're WARHURYEAH. I used to read all your articles and learned so much from you about playing Demoman. I'm glad to see you're doing well.
When does anyone ever click the scroll wheel especially in game also the sensor has zero issues. Again with the scroll wheel, it has nice tactile steps which is good for when it's bound to jump like most counter strike players use. A dockless version I can support but to be honest it's super convenient and you won't wear the USB port out. As far as the weight that just isn't why people buy zowie. It's light enough. People buy zowie because they're no frills, no bullshit.
I’ve used the G703 and I absolutely hate its shape. It’s like a rock and for some reason I just want to chunk it against the wall just to see what it looks like.
Hi, did you try various chinese mouses like some fresh ajazz zj199, darmoshark M3\N3? - I think everyone will be happy to see YOUR reviews of some cheaper chinese gaming stuff(with good hardware inside). Thank you for all your reviews, keep up the good work!)
have the ajazz and m3 reviews coming soon
@@DiamondLobbyReviews ooOOOoh, that is so nice of you!👍👍👍
Ordered one with your link , keep going on, I like ur honest In your reviews. Personally I need to find a good mouse for csgo tried logitech, v3 pro etc now I'm stuck at xtrfy m8. My top is xtrfy m8 , shroud edition and v3 pro . Do more videos maybe I find another nr 1
ty for the support!
I dont know which specific one but it was a logitech headphone worked for like a month then the connection just went bad.
zegen wireles about this ? same like vexee xe ?
even though i'm done with pc gaming, still enjoying seeing gaming peripherals getting better. you always got some good ass reviews that are thorough and interesting/entertaining.
Did u try the wired DAV3?
Can you check your mouse? Press hard up far to the left on the mouse1 button and it will stop registrate that you are holding it down making it unusable in games where you sometimes need to spray with a weapon (Like CS:GO) it just shoots 2 bullets and then stop the click registration. I waited years for a Wireless Zowie, only for them to release an overpriced china product that seems to come straight out of Wish and a container in Shenzhen with no quality control whatsoever, and I could not use it at all in games due to how I hold the mouse. Threw it after 2 minutes of gameplay. Been thinking to get another one and see if I get the same problem, but its not worth it knowing how trash it was for that insane price for some china plastic.
My g-pro superlight likes to be really choppy sometimes
the mouse connected to the dock looks so weird, like you accidently placed it on its edge. looks so poorly designed, you wouldn't think the mouse and the dock come from the same manufacturer.
I can't have my phone near my G pro Wireless. It is un-useable if my phone is within 1 m of the USB receiver
I love the za13, can anyone recommend a wireless size equivalent or similar. The Glorius model O looks similar in specs but idk about the feel.
Not gonna lie man. I would go to Cryomods website and buy the za13-c with the razer viper v2 internals. You would have to provide the mice but the labor is 50$. shipping cost of the mouse to him depends on where you live. But luckly I had both mice so it onky cost be about 75$ total. 50$ labor and 25$ shipping the mice to him. I love it. But I’m waiting for him to put the razer viper 8k internals into the za13-c. If you want to buy it already completed and put together, it’ll cost about 230$.
This mouse should be... 70.-$ max... and it would still look not that good compared to the XM2we...
I have had wireless interference problems with my gpx superlight
why zowie still has 125hz poll rate in their setup? are they stoopid?
I don’t think the scroll wheel is that bad, if anything it’s way better than Zowies earlier mouses before
Oh, I guess I'm weirdo for liking the super tactile scroll wheel. I actually think this is a feature and not a design flaw.
6:51 Me using powerplay for my superlight: ZOWIE ARE U SERIOUS?
I always buy a mouse and then you review it within days haha, we on the same wavelength
Would you recommend the wired version instead???
The wired ones are also outdated by todays standard… I’d suggest trying to get a wireless one when it’s on sale personally. Wireless is still a massive upgrade.
Got this badboy for $80 used. Ordered Tiger Ice skates for $16 including transport. Worth
You forget 1 more advantage of having a dock, which is marketing. Whenever pro players use Zowie mice on stage, the dock kinda sticks out a lot. You definitely will notice when your favorite player using it which basically giving Zowie free advertisement :|
3:22 Only OGs remember when WARHURYEAH broke the TF2 records in i49 for highest damage per minute among any player (forgot what else you broke the record for my bad my memory is shit)
"intense modern day apex gameplay" bro i cant :)))
I'll continue rocking my *Cooler Master MM720* for a tad longer, this costs too much.
Wish a wireless one would come out I love the shape
I don't mind the Zowie scroll wheels, honestly once you get used to using something like that, you kinda wanna stick to it, like, I'm selling my GPX in a week and the scroll wheel will be the last thing I'll miss, I've been maining VAXEE mice for the past two years and the scroll wheels are just as "bad" as Zowie's...
as someone who used to hate zowie mousewheels all newer mice have super smooth mousewheels and i accidentally jump all the time in games :| shitty zowie mousewheels dont have that prob at least :)
I went from a g502 back when it was kinda new, to the viper ultimate, to the viper 8k wired (the wireless dongle broke and I enjoyed 8k with a mouse bungee) and now I love the 2 g-wolves mice the HSK and HTX. Idk, I want a Zowie mouse one day to see the hype that they had in the past, but I really love light mice, and after using g-wolves mice, I literally have no clue why zowie doesn't have mice with holes/honeycomb or something. Just seems silly nowadays imo. I know others like the Lamzu or Logitech don't have holes either, but they definitely tried new things, vs what Zowie's doing. They're like apple where they'll wait for something to become a standard 3 years after it's been out and they're now like "Here's our innovation" I got no heat with zowie, I'm just surprised they truly aren't trying to make something competitive in the market.
Tbh, they waited for a 2-3 years after 360 hz monitors came out and made their own ,but they killed it ,so I don’t know how to feel about the whole situation with zowie. Their mice game kinda lacking right now ,definitely needs an improvement as quick as possible if they want to succeed
I also wan a „dockless“ version of the EC-W and it should be ~20€ cheaper at least. 179,99€ in Europe is just way too much when Razer has newee ans measurably better hardware for less moneys.
Looks like they already started lowering the price. They started at €190.
previous zowies had 3360 sensors not 3370
I actually like the feedback the scroll wheel gives FYI, not sure why it's "garbage"
price. £89 at the absolute MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX.
Going into 2024 this mouse is now worth £59.99 ABSOLUTE TOPS
my mmb is actually crispy af on my EC3-CW. Might be just your copy
i used the mmb for dota2 so if its not 100% perfect it just isn't good
You can see why people were annoyed....yet its sold out.
maybe they only made 5
Csgo sheep will forever suck off zowie mice
@@DiamondLobbyReviews LOL
@@TheEugeneVolker at the beginning people were also annoyed with the razer cobra as they wanted a viper 2 mini (at a decent price, not the US $260 and EU[rozone] €300+ due to import taxes of the "second editon" - that is really a robbery and I'm a razer/logitech intensive user), still is yet selling as heck - icluding docks, 4 khz hyperpolling devices...
3:03 Totally not exaggerated at all. 🤣
Was never bothered by the zowie mice scroll wheels
Another 🔥 video from the goat
I love Vaxee, I have a bit of side creaking on my NP-01S Wireless but its not bad enough for me to return it. They gifted me a PA Black as a thank you for supporting them.
I really hate mushy scroll wheels. Disproportionately so.
Clearly Zowie thought they could sell this mouse with the hype of the shape alone because they missed the boat with everything else
people call 76g heavy？
It is comparatively heavy when there are options in the 40s. I'm not sure losing every last gram is critically important, but I've yet to say no to a lighter mouse as long as the general shape and performance are good.
i somehow missed this upload but now that i watched it i wish i would have stayed that way. a wireless version of a zowie ec is what ive been waiting for a long time but hearing that the mwheel is still garbo yet theyre charging a premium is unacceptable. to quote a wise man: my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
firstly, good video, underrated youtuber secondly i had disconnects in my dorm room on my mouse (g305, gpro, superlight, rvu, rvu v2, basilisk ultimate, orochi, aerox 3... yes all of it had the issue) because 50 other people used upo the 2,4ghz bandwith. since i got my own appartment i never encountered it again. could be also the case on lan turnaments, a slim m argin could experience it once or twice but its such a minority, its not worth mentioning a lot btw, i will not use this mouse and neither buy it because i dont like ergo... so i dont have bias ltt made a video on 2,4ghz bandwith btw
For scrollwheel jumping I think Zowie is top tier. I seriously don't understand how you could call it mushy? Scratchy and loud as F... - yes, mushy - most definitely not. Maybe you got a damaged unit?
you pay 150$ for a premium product , i say it will be worth it at the end. Shape is the most important thing in mouse and zowie is the shape master
Zowie taking the piss to focus on monitors so annoying
sounds like a logitech g pro wireless scroll wheel
YOU ARE ALIVE???
When I hear people complaining about mouse weight I always laugh with my EC2-A from 2016 with 93 gramms xd
I was using Pulsar Xlite v2 mini wireless for few months. The moment I switched to Zowie EC3-CW i felt the difference in how good that connection is. I am 2700 elo on FACEIT, if that means something to other CS:GO gamers reading this chat, and I have used many mice (DA V2 pro, DA V3 pro, superlight, prime wireless, rival 600 and 650) and for me the best feeling is with Zowie. Just take a wireless mouse and plug the cable, you will feel a little bit of difference in your aim, you will have a little better control. With Zowie is the same with station or cable. Must add about the scroll. It must be clicky for CS:GO players (and in the other games where you use scroll for jumping). If scroll is too soft, I use mouse button 3 for HE nade, and I press it to take the nade, sometimes my character jump, cause I also jump by scrolling.
As someone who’s rapidly losing my hair, your making light of baldness gives me a little bit of comfort. Thank you.
Wow i found a gem channel
I honestly think docks should be a standard accessory available for every mainstream gaming mouse. No need to include it in the box as I’m sure that will drive prices up, but personally, I’d be happy to buy it as a separately-sold product.
The fact that you can get wireless mouse with PAW3395 sensor for 50 bucks just makes this mouse irrelevant. Wholeheartedly agree gigachad specs is not everything when it comes to making a good gaming mouse but you really need to ask yourself is a mouse really worth 100 dollars ?
The fact that what matters is the implementation, not specs on a paper. I agree Zowie has gone nuts with their pricing and I would never pay MSRP as an enthusiast, $100 for a product from a household name, built like a tank with a renowed shape is fair tbh.
I love zowie, a typical paypiggy company, mouse that costs $15 to make is being sold for $150 it is impressive, and low iq people still fall for it. Love seing it, just love it.
I don't like that you change the thumbnail, it is bothering me!!! why did you change it !!!!!!!
Also love the content thanks for being apart of the magnificent mouse community!!
didnt change anything check ur pc
@@DiamondLobbyReviews I mean when I saw the upload first it seems to have a different one, now it seems to have changed stop hurting my brain papa!!!
Zowie also would you send you all of their lineup so you could test and find the shape you liked, was amazing.
tehy should make this a $60
another good videos .. fun
Can't you stop reminding us that you once had hair on your head? 🤕
Sacy reviewing mices
it's the best scroll wheel for CS players using mouse wheel for jump, designed by a CS player who used mouse wheel for jump. maybe do a little research rofl
I use the mouse wheel to jump. I do not think it’s the best scroll wheel to jump with. CS players use this for the shape. Maybe do a little research rofl
Bought Zowie once, sold it after 5 days. Never again. Depshit clicks
why u play on 144fps in apex legends? do you not have 240hz even though you have so many mice?
I have a 120hz monitor at work which I use to record. 240hz is on my home pc
@@DiamondLobbyReviews nice
Best mouse ever for fingertip grip. Zowie can not sell the wireless receiver separately and never will as there is a switch on the mouse for it. Period
I have this and better than the DAV3
it's your opinion. I have, not only but also, a dav3 pro and in terms of technology is some steps ahead and performs way better (also, from my experience). same goes to also owned razer cobra pro and Logitech G305 Lightspeed. people really have distinct gaming experiences, still if the tech is not there and if the shell feels like chinese made plastic... great for you, then. Cheers
I think the only people that still supports ZOWIE mouse at this point are the "fan boys". They are falling behind, because of their ego
BDE (Big Dock Energy)
Siri, play JPEGMafia - Bald
Zowie is the blackberry of the pc peripheral market. Complacent, dated, and left behind. Honestly, I doubt they will be around in a few years entirely.
This aint even a review
G703 > any other mice - hands down
Such a shame Logitech didn’t make a Superlight version
What pisses me off most, is that the g703 is actually a pretty universal ergo shape. They just make 2 size of it and it's done.
@@theKERY I still daily drive a perforated g703 for 2 years just because the shape is that good, the Lamzu Thorn might actually be the perfect alternative option if it’s slightly bigger and the back is a bit more tapered.
a mouse should never surpass 100€ i said what i said
and they don't. as many things that are usefull. just don't go looking for niche top tier products.
eggs
too expensive
god damn nice video .. fck u are funny
egg
pin or you have use a wired mouse with a 10 cm cord length
I have a wired mouse, I have for 30 years. If it had a ball, then thered be a problem
I do understand the younger generation cannot be trusted around anything resembling a rope, though...
nah, the G502 comment was more brutal lol
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