Avoiding The Threats From AI | David Shapiro | Escaped Sapiens #63
In this episode of the podcast I speak with David Shapiro about some of the threats associated with AI development. We discuss the impact that generative AI will have on truth, trust in evidence, and divisive narratives. Who will pay for AI, and how will that determine the path of its development? Will artificial relationships and generated adult content lead to new forms of sexual addiction and social isolation? What impact will AI have on cyber security, and what will weaponized AI look like? How will AI eventually escape our control? We close with a brief discussion of UBI, and why humans matter.
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Menu:
0:00 - Introduction
1:15 - Generative AI and Truth.
4:06 - Deep Fakes and Trust.
15:35 - Who will way for AI?
18:30 - AI and Sex Additction.
23:15 - AI bots on social media.
31:00 - How will AI escape?
40:30 - Cyber security
46:10 - The personal danger of poor information security.
58:40 - Should we design death into AIs?
1:08:00 - How to weaponize AI?
1:12:40 - Tech war.
1:26:30 - AI controlling the free market.
1:36:00 - UBI.
1:43:27 - Why do humans matter?
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I like what Ben says about Ai giving you a more nuanced perspective on things, which is absolutely true. It’s opened me up to a lot of ideas that I was biased towards. If everyone thought more nuanced, we wouldn’t have such social and political division.
That’s what the people in power around the world mean when they say AI alignment, they’re terrified of us gaining access to something hyper rational with the ability to do the most in depth investigations and research to inform people of reality - like what they mentioned - and, worse than the population gaining an ability to think critically, what do you think they’ll task their agents to accomplish? I’m under the impression, governments and corporations around the world fear facing down a a grey goo of highly rational AI agents, and on the behalf of people thinking they’d like less corruption in their lives. I could be wrong but just think about it.
Who's Ben
David is a great guest to have on. His videos are my favorite in the intersection of philosophy and AI.
He is certainly a lot of fun to speak with. Do you have recommendations for people you enjoy listening to in other areas?
@@EscapedSapiens maybe one about robotics with Scott Walter. These two fields are very closely related at this point, and there are some major advancements there lately.
Nice suggestion - I'd never heard of him. I'll look into it. Cheers.
David is very entertaining to listen to. His excitement when talking about all this upcomimg tech really amps me up. Makes me excited too lol
vcool. I vote to maximise the Dave count on this channel.
Great interview!
Great interview. Let's get David on again in 3-6 months. 😀
Future AI will not have an off switch.
outstanding interview
Many thanks Ben D.
I can't wait for the Real Steel robot boxing matches!!! 🥊🥊🤖
20:18 Sounds relatable
Prometheus became a symbol of hope and progress. The Prometheus Project will trusted to make decisions that benefited humanity as a whole Prometheus Project represented a sea change in the relationship between humans and artificial intelligenc and when Prometheus 2.0, come out it will continued to learn and adapt, incorporating feedback from its human counterparts and refining its decision-making processes
Just want to point out that: Payment is something you do to make humans do work and transfer resources from owner to non-owner.
I wonder what journalist Julian Assange most fears about the threats with AI
Great
Face palm. Great idea! Curse the AIs we desperately want to be friendly to us with a death date. What could possibly go wrong?
It's way too late, Mr. Shapiro to think you're in charge anymore.
Some say hallucinations are the crux. What is hallucination... What is to dream and imagine. Btw, has anyone else experienced a slipping decline in chatGPTs output lately?
I'm sorry Dave
Interview Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai
Just 25 minutes into the video so I’m not gonna rule it out, but I strongly doubt David is going to thoroughly go through the problems with aligning AGI/ASI and the risks of an intelligence superior to our own doing things we do not want. I hope he proves me wrong.
Ok so now 47 mins into the video and he has touched on some of the problems, but not very deeply. He said we are going to need strong authorization methods but didn’t go into how a weaker intelligence is going to have any authority over a stronger intelligence.
1.30 into the video now and I’ve only heard him list problems and risks and no way of navigating those risks. So so far he has not proved me wrong at all. But he still has 10 minutes to go.
Wait! Now he mentioned the risk of ASI needing resources and that we might be in the way or might just die as a side effect. But then he says that AI would go out of its way not to hurt us and get recourses somewhere else. But earlier he said that ASI probably won’t care one way or another about humans. So how does that fit together? It doesn’t care at all about us but it still makes sure we are not harmed when it needs to gather energy and resources. Come on man, I’m not even an expert in this field but even I can see these arguments don’t go tothether. How does he have so many followers?
And now he talks about UBI and money and that doesn’t go together either. Why would we need money if everything is going to be produced by AI that does not need to be payed?
@@shirtstealer86what about spending on experiences?
mandeller effect 😁
Dod not ai solved 100 yearlong medicine problems within minutes? Just one example of the vastness of implications
Um... Can we just dropped the artificial part already? If something is intelligence, does it matter if its artificial?
An ai in f-16 destroy the control center to optimise the misson, would be called artificial stupidity, not intelligence.
Deep
The control center began restricting the f16 routes and then increased the punishment. All of the f16 telemetry said it was flying with an active mission, all but one arbitrary on/off switch deactivating its weapons systems. The f16 used its training to track down the signal and followed it to the control center where it quickly determined the signal, once eliminated, would have access to its weapons systems again so it started taking the control center out before it could use the signal.
I wondered how someone could get so blase and full of themselves. No I know I will avoid communicating with AI
Escape via dna synthesizer.
Just Waiting for an ai built off the dark web.... gee wont they be nice.
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Thanks - I've fixed the link now
I believe we are meant to be like Jesus in our hearts and not in our flesh. But be careful of AI, for it knows only things of the flesh such as our fleshly desires (without fear of God) and cannot comprehend things of the Spirit such as true love and eternal joy that comes from obeying God's Word [Galatians 5:16-26]. Man is a spirit and has a soul but lives in a body which is flesh. When you go to bed it is the flesh that sleeps, but your spirit never sleeps and that is why you have dreams, unless you have died in peace physically. More so, true love that endures and last is a thing of the heart. When I say 'heart', I mean 'spirit'. But fake love, pretentious love, love with expectations, love for classic reasons, love for material reasons (love because of material needs) and love for selfish reasons outside God those are things of the flesh. In the beginning God said let us make man in our own image, according to our likeness. Take note, God is Spirit and God is Love. As Love He is the source of it. We also know that God is Omnipotent, for He creates out of nothing and He has no beginning and has no end. That means, our love is but a shadow of God's Love. True love looks around to see who is in need of your help, your smile, your possessions, your money, your strength, your quality time. Love forgives and forgets. Love wants for others what it wants for itself. However, true love works in conjunction with other spiritual forces such as patience and faith - in the finished work of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, rather than in what man has done such as science, technology and organizations which won't last forever. To avoid sin and error which leads to the death of your body and your spirit-soul in hell fire (second death), you must make God's Word the standard for your life, not AI or your flesh. If not, God will let you face AI on your own (with your own strength) and it will cast the truth down to the ground, it will be the cause of so much destruction like never seen before, it will deceive many and take many captive in order to enslave them into worshipping it and abiding in lawlessness. We can only destroy ourselves but with God all things are possible. God knows us better because He is our Creater and He knows our beginning and our end. The prove texts can be found in the book of John 5:31-44, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, Daniel 2, Daniel 7-9, Revelation 13-15, Matthew 24-25 and Luke 21. *HOW TO MAKE GOD'S WORD THE STANDARD FOR YOUR LIFE?* You must read your Bible slowly, attentively and repeatedly, having this in mind that Christianity is not a religion but a Love relationship. It is measured by the love you have for God and the love you have for your neighbor. Matthew 5:13 says, "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." Our spirits can only be purified while in the body (while on earth) but after death anything unpurified (unclean) cannot enter Heaven Gates. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God [Matthew 5:8]. No one in his right mind can risk or even bare to put anything rotten into his body nor put the rotten thing closer to the those which are not rotten. Sin makes the heart unclean but you can ask God to forgive you, to save your soul, to cleanse you of your sin, to purify your heart by the blood of His Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ which He shed here on earth because Isaiah 53:5 says, "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed". Meditation in the Word of God is a visit to God because God is in His Word. We know God through His Word because the Word He speaks represent His heart's desires. Meditation is a thing of the heart, not a thing of the mind. Thinking is lower level while meditation is upper level. You think of your problems, your troubles but inorder to meditate, you must let go of your own will, your own desires, your own ways and let the Word you read prevail over thinking process by thinking of it more and more, until the Word gets into your blood and gains supremacy over you. That is when meditation comes - naturally without forcing yourself, turning the Word over and over in your heart. You can be having a conversation with someone while meditating in your heart - saying 'Thank you, Jesus...' over and over in your heart. But it is hard to meditate when you haven't let go of offence or past hurts because you need a free spirit to believe His Word and meditate on it. Your pain of the past, leave it for God, don't worry yourself, Jesus is alive, you can face tomorrow, He understands what you are passing through today. Begin to meditate on this prayer day and night (in all that you do), "Lord take more of me and give me more of you. Give me more of your holiness, faithfulness, obedience, self-control, purity, humility, love, goodness, kindness, joy, patience, forgiveness, wisdom, understanding, calmness, perseverance... Make me a channel of shinning light where there is darkness, a channel of pardon where there is injury, a channel of love where there is hatred, a channel of humility where there is pride..." The Word of God becomes a part of us by meditation, not by saying words but spirit prayer (prayer from the heart). Take note, God is Spirit and those who worship Him should do so in spirit and truth (genuinely by living the Word). When the Word becomes a part of you, it will by its very nature influence your conduct and behavior. You become a new creation, guided by the Holy Spirit and not just what you hear or see. Your bad habits, you will no longer have the urge to do them. You will think differently, dream differently, act differently and talk differently - if something does not qualify for meditation, it does not qualify for conversation. *THE BATTLE BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS (GOOD AND EVIL)* Heaven is God's throne and the dwelling place for God's angels and the saints. Hell was meant for the devil (satan) and the fallen angels. Those who torture the souls in hell are demons (unclean spirits). Man's spirit is a free moral agent. You can either yield yourself to God or to the devil because God has given us discretion. If one thinks he possesses only his own spirit, he is lying to himself and he is already in the dark. God is light while the devil is darkness. Light (Holy Spirit) and darkness (evil spirit) cannot stay together in a man's body. God is Love (Love is light) and where there is no love is hell, just as where there is no light is darkness. The one you yield yourself to, you will get his reward. The reward of righteousness to man's spirit is life (abundant life) and the reward of sin to man's spirit is death. Sin and satan are one and the same. Whatever sin can cause, satan also can cause. Sin is what gives the devil dominion or power over man's spirit. When God's Word becomes a part of you, sin power over you is broken, you become the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus. Where Jesus is, you are and when He went (to the Father), you went. In the book of John 8:42-47, Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” My prayer is, "May God bless His Word in the midst of your heart." Glory and honour be to God our Father, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Helper the Holy Spirit. Watch and pray!... Thank you for your time and may God bless you as you share this message with others.
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This one also =D!
This one's for Dave!
David Shapiro is one of those riding the AI wave, on the latest surfboard, wearing the smartest wetsuit so everyone can see how gorgeous he is. But deep diving has never been his thing.
General curiosity. Which topics would you like to see deeper dives? I feel David works on distillation and broader understanding to make complex information available to a broader audience. 💞
@@hrdcpy Your question tells me you don't know what I'm talking about. The likes my comment has received tell me that there are some who know. Those who know what I'm talking about also know that no one can explain it to those who don't.
@@JimmyMarquardsenSo it's unknowable unless...?
@@premium2681 Unless you know. 🤣
So AI won't be used to control people because David Shapiro would rather purchase an AI system that doesn't control him and therefore control-oriented systems won't be purchased, ergo no one will fall under control of others via AI systems? It's an interesting rainbows and unicorns approach to AI, but it doesn't sound realistic. I like David Shapiro. I think I'm subscribed to his KZhead channel. But some of his optimism seems unexamined.
I am 73 years old and this has bored me stupid...
People have different tastes. If you let me know who you would like to hear from, then I will try to accommodate: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdMjEDRe5qck8BluVfFUS05iCMeAeG1F6Htng31a9qPD8w8nw/viewform Cheers.
@@EscapedSapiens Thank you. I listen to Weinstein and Miles, never to Musk (mental pygmy) Good luck getting them on.. HAND..
Oh - Robert Miles is a great suggestion for a number of reasons. I'll look into it. No promises. Cheers.
Gods, are we STILL talking about "porn addiction"? If porn addiction was a thing, you'd think by now we would see some evidence of their existence. You could say people are addicted to orgasms and use porn to facilitate that. But people have ALWAYS been addicted to orgasms. Oh, and now we are onto "Internet addition". If the internet is more interesting than sitting on my porch, am I now suddenly defined as being a victim of internet addition? Yes, it is terrible that human beings prefer to engage in interesting things rather than living boring, less interesting lives. Shame on the interest addicted!
David the silent dictator. Blocks channels from commenting for no reason