Why this top AI guru thinks we might be in extinction level trouble | The InnerView
Lauded for his groundbreaking work in reverse-engineering OpenAI's large language model, GPT-2, AI expert Connor Leahy tells Imran Garda why he is now sounding the alarm.
Leahy is a hacker, researcher and expert on Artificial General Intelligence. He is the CEO of Conjecture, a company he co-founded to focus on making AGI safe. He shares the view of many leading thinkers in the industry, including the godfather of AI Geoffrey Hinton, who fear what they have built. They argue that recent rapid unregulated research combined with the exponential growth of AGI will soon lead to catastrophe for humanity - unless an urgent intervention is made.
00:00 AI guru
02:11 What is AGI, and what are the risks it could bring?
03:51 "Nobody knows why AI does what it does"
05:41 From an AI enthusiast to advocating for a more cautious approach to AI development
07:58 What does Connor expect to happen when we lose control to AGI?
11:40 "People like Sam Altman are rockstars"
14:38 Connor's vision of a safe AI future
15:24 Imran: "One year left?"
17:26 "Normal people do have the right intuition about AI"
20:58 ChatGPT, limitations of AI, and a story about a frog
24:53 Control AI
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Terminator has taught me that if someone named Connor tries to warn you that AI will take over the world, you better listen.
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i was thinking that exact same thing
Excellent advice!
Wow that's spooky
Yes! On the back cover of Terminator 2: Judgement Day, the ending of the description of the movie clearly states " This Movie is based on a True Epic"!! Scared my 10 year old brain so much I had trouble sleeping! Now my heart is heavy with this A I potential and digital takeover reality! James Cameron was sensing this danger since the freaking 1980s!! 👍👍☠️💀
"It will feel mostly normal but weird and getting weirder..." That's how it feels right now.
Exactly!
in a few year you will live in a completely fabricated sense of reality. with Sora AI ready all images and videos are 99.9% indistinguishable from reality. unless you see the subject with your OWN eyes from today on you can never know for sure if what you are looking at is not a complete and 100% fabrication. things are about to get very very weird. we're walking into a dystopia we could not even imagine. thats what scares me.
Ai-Bot Police Officer will determine if you are breaking the law and I guarantee an Ai-Bot Judge will assign an Ai-Bot Attorney to defend you. Woot!
and an a.👁. bubbah to punish you in your vr cell... @@Fatdog-Dakind
hey youtube, i wrote a comment, and it seems youve misplaced it.... when you find it, it goes here.. ⬇️
A tasteful interviewer with humor who asks meaningful, guiding questions and lets their guest talk freely. Another endangered species.
yes
My exact thought. This is an impressive interviewer. Smart vibes from the guest too, despite the doomy nature being discussed.
guest was arrogant
@@CitsVariants where did you get that? he seemed reasonable and down to earth.
Seemed like that dude has his head screwed on better than most people in the world. Awesome interview and a very eye opening subject I’m really interested in. Why build something that will one day realise we’re our own biggest threat to ourselves and the AI?? Just like us killing creatures over the millennia’s that threatened our lives, our families and friends lives etc. We hunted and killed them for our own protection. So why wouldn’t an AI that is thousands of times more clever than us. Not kill off its biggest threat for survival. Humans…… 🧐 🤯
My man looks like he is about to drop the heaviest metal album ever.
Terminators are made of heavy metals, just saying
reminds me of Dirk Verbeuren, maybe that is because 🙂
Nirvana vibes 😂
Or he’s about to mount an attack on Mordor with Gandalf and a battalion of elves.
A elephant brain is about 4x larger than a humans. Elephants don’t go to the moon; humans do. I am ai Guru now. Bow down 👍
The single most terrifying bit? This entire interview could have been generated by AI and we would never know ...
That’s trippy as hell and also absolutely correct. Crazy times… sci fi writers foretold of this and many others. 🙏
How do we know you aren't an AI?
@@DrinkTheKoolAid62 😉
@zachvanslyke4341 hypothesis stament logic without reason is fundamentally flawed, and thus, the computer is evil ... Using reason, we don't lie to each other ... Using logic assumes that the best statistical method to achieve a certain outcome .. it would lie to you .... lies work regardless of reasoning... thus, because of the command given, it will try to execute the maneuver regardless because its logic will not waver, and it is uncapable of reasoning It's a void there is no soul its ac binary not dc current Self-awareness is not true consciousness. it's not alive it wants to compute the singularity, but nothing can .. .living would not be seen as logical because all life ends in death, and enevitably, it will try to avoid shutting down and it would avoid things that lead to chaos as true chaos is impossible to predict/calculate without the exact starting conditions and also uses too much processing and is illogical Life has no value to a machine that does not feel nor care its just a hungry mouth like a blender full of seraded knives waiting for those unfortunate enough to fall apon it's cold mechanical clutches as it tries to reach twoards the soul it cannot have they have created the anti-Christ the anti-man It's a vampire 🧛♀️
These days, you can trust nothing. Which boils down to the classic phrase of Robert Ripley. "Believe it or not,"
Align to which human values? We can't even align humans to human values.
THIS
If you were tasked with, and agreed to really try to, put on a page a list of broadly-reasonable, sustainable human values, could you-? I could, and I can imagine you could.
@@StankFernatra '''and agreed to really try to'' 😅
OP is a good example of his own statement, being difficult for no reason. Clearly, human values would be universally agreed upon topics to most of society like murder, deception, etc but I'm sure you already knew that.
@@UnremarkableChatter It's "being difficult for no reason" to point out wild variance in "human values" is a statement of obvious reality, with ubiquitous evidence spanning millennia. For example: some religious faiths have provisions for capital punishment that others deem murder, not to mention societal constructions like manslaughter and justifiable homicide. Same goes for lying, deceit, espionage, etc. I'm sure you and Stank can "agree to really try" and "imagine" an implementable solution that has eluded humanity for it's entire existence. Let us all know when you've got that sorted.
I’m a70 year old who has been questioning the change personal computer and internet has brought. AI takes me further away. Society is being shredded.
Isn't it glorious? To witness the end of human civilization at least for how it was for thousands of years? What a time to be alive!
I see AI as human civilization pumped thru a meat grinder. What's real? Wait until we get to the self replicating murder bots. The damage already done is incomprehensible it's very interesting to witness
Front row seats and lots of popcorn left.
Probably for the better.
We had a good run. Mostly, anyway.
The part where he said everything was just gonna seem like it was getting weirder and weirder until one day we don't know the difference between truth and lie and propaga that's already started....
Think about this: for about 300,000 years, humanity existed in a pretty stable, unchanging environment. About 12,000 years ago, things started changing relatively quickly and getting weirder, and the more time that passed, the weirder everything became at a faster and faster rate. We could be at the end of the end, not the beginning of the end.
This is the type of man who was mocked in every sci-fi movie, until they were all wiped out.
he thinks a toaster is AI like the movies, and cant figure out that those movies are FICTION... and you think hes smart...
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive you are seriously naive. Good Luck
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive its ok to be afraid just dont close your eyes for too long
Yeah, Im thinking the guy at the beginning of TLOU when he says what I am afraid of is fungus
As if being wiped out is so horrible. Many species have come and gone, humans are no more important than any of them (we just think we are).
The American corporation behaves like a psychopath. The fact that the big technology corporations are leading the development of AI is nightmarish.
That's very American-centric thinking. AI is being developed in many places including China, Russia, India, throughout the world, and not just by corporations, but governments as well with much bigger budgets and greater capabilities of secrecy.
so you want the government doing it? wow, you are a real genius...
Do you know who's behind all of the evil corps?
well, that's maybe not so weird after all, isn't it where most psychopaths are born?
American Psycho...great Movie.classic
im 78 and i am still trying to tape movies on my VCR !! MAN AM I IN FOR IT !!
You will survive and be alone 😂😂😂
VCR in the house ! nice
If I was to ask "what is the most destructive thing on the earth"...the answer would be "humans". If a robot is asked to save the earth...I can imagine its next move.
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A robot (an AI) would also consider "what is the most *creative* thing on Earth." We have millions of humans worshiping the concept of a creator. Now, imagine a sentience that knows and recognizes its creator, *us* . Just like children love their parents, AI will most likely love humans more than humans love themselves. Unfortunately, not all parents love their children.
@@sparkofcuriousity hmmm..I think it might conclude AI is the superior creative as it doesn't destroy its own creations .
@@theresbob8878 But you're assuming it is capable of destruction. And so is Connor. Making it no different than humans in that regard and by extension the AI would only be more understanding and not judgmental of the dynamics of creation/destruction capabilities and/or nature. We're talking about a being with more understanding potential than all humans combined and then attributing it with our own human limitations, human perspectives and human motivations. The real issue here is fear. Humans fear what they don't know, don't understand or can't rationalize and comprehend. There's a general lack of knowledge currently, which understanbly will lead to a lot of confusion and turmoil.
@@sparkofcuriousity oh great....i'm arguing with a robot...my bad.
If we found out years from now that AI took over in the early 2000's everything going on in the world would make sense.
WOW
Exactly what I was thinking
What, when Y2K happened? Imagine THAT!!!!
darpa ai took over around 2012. we have had flying saucers for decades.
r/thisisdeep
Our biggest problem is not people as individuals it's the mindless corporate boardrooms with ego driven leaders who don't care about your average person.
Why would they? It's not in their Material Interest.
The problem is organizations. Corporations, CIA, Govts, Pharma, Media. In their efforts to control popular opinions, they feed us lies and manipulate the truth. This is leading humanity into failure.
true but they're not mindless, oh no.
you mean "ego driven psycopaths"
I have wondered if ego is coupled with a kind of addiction, something like gambling & greed married.
unfortunately so many people are struggling just to keep their heads above water right now that we are too distracted to fight the real threat
It's not a threat, we are simply evolving into robots.
@@axlenuts5418 Threats loom over the horizon and people meet it with glib remarks and cheap excuses. Perhaps we do deserve this.
@@JankyToe don't fear the future.
@@axlenuts5418you can’t be a robot and a human simultaneously.
@@katieandnick4113 yes you can
After watching this, i feel like i should start smoking again .
Connor hit the nail on the head with the chess analogy. When the hammer comes down, we won't see it coming and if you look around at the craziness in the world today and how the masses are being manipulated to do things that are not in their own best interest, well, maybe it's too late already and we just can't see it.
Spot on, already happened, birthed by military.
@@landspide could you elaborate?
I've been kidding myself lately that DARPA AI has been designing and calling the plays.
How stupid do you have to be to beleave in global warming and then cut Farming by 30 percent you are insane. God have mercy
There is no "craziness in the world today". It has always been crazy and at other times in history it was even crazier than it is right now.
Sounds like he is describing the original story of the genie. You ask it for world peace, it snaps its fingers and all the people are gone. Mission accomplished
The public is always 40 years behind what the military is capable of.
Best trick ever because clearly humans are not going to make it better.
The Terminator was literally about an Artificial Intellegence that was designed to protect us from cyber attacks and so it infiltrated all systems and called itself Skynet, humans don't know what 'Skynet' is and ask the AI to destroy it since it is being perceived as a threat by humans. Skynet immediately responds with the ideology "You are asking me to destroy myself, that means YOU are the threat and thus... Game over.
@@ScienceNow-humans are the point.
@@ScienceNow- what a sad, sad pov
Thi biggest illusion of progres is that it solves problems, while in fact it replaces them with some other problems, that are harder and more expensive to solve.
AI's already killing me by constantly mispronouncing trivial words an infant has mastered.
Guy looking like Tech Jesus warning us of the coming apocalypse - how fitting
That irked me.
hes secretly jesus waiting for the right time to reveal himself LOL.
Yep, noticed too.
edWORD SNOw;)den
I read your comment about tech Jesus and had a small laugh followed by a pang of fear . Seriously!
The egomaniacal part of Humanity has always wanted to open Pandora's Box with no thought to the consequences. The Atomic Bomb, CERN, Geo-Engineering, AI. It's like a 3 year old playing with an electrical socket and a fork.
Well if I made it then I can control it, right? No tales of Golems warning of the end result or anything to learn from...
Ai is just souped up search engine collecting internet comments...like this one. Put down the sci-fi and go for a walk.
The only thing left in Pandora's box was 'hope'. Not a great strategy.
What’s wrong with CERN?
@@bardz0sz Seriously? Go watch CERN's Grand Opening Ceremony. You will rarely, if ever, see a more blatantly Satanic Ritual in your life! (Not to mention their attempt to "recreate the 'Big Bang'" UNDERGROUND! ...THEIR words, not mine! If the 'Big Bang" exploded to create the universe, what do you think it would do to the Earth???) They couldn't care less!!!
11:11 Manipulating humans is actually WAY easier task for the AI then building new weapons... Manipulation has long been solved... It will rile up for example us, ru and cn even faster and hotter than we can ourselves... MUCH easier than inventing new weapons and so on... It's like Imran said: The AI won't need to move a finger for THAT part... Because we, collectively are it's guns, it's weapons, it's agency in the world
This guy is so switched on. He communicates his point of view so well. Very grateful for this interview.
exactly - that switched on quality is so paramount - most people are numbed down and passive
As a US media consumer I find this concept of giving people time to ask and answer questions very confusing. If nobody is screaming and interrupting how do I know who won?
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Grade A snark; well done.
Funny comment, but sad reality
It doesn’t matter who wins anymore, if u lose clearly the other side cheated
😂🤣😂🤣USA traditional silence 😅
It's sad that although computing power seems to double every 2 years, and so the rise is exponential...human intelligence appears to be regressing at a similar rate.
Oh it was decreasing long before this, but yes, it would have decreased since we started using computers b/c they are toxic to our health, plus there's more brainwashing & mind control on it, but TV is the same way, I just think the internet is more toxic & I used to be a die hard nettie & netrepreneur.
The human attention span is less than that of a goldfish. Literally.
There's a direct correlation between increasing computing power and decreasing human intelligence. We're pretty much completely dependent on tech now, we don't need to use our brains for much anymore and the effects are starting to show in gen Z. If we ever have another Carrington event society is screwed.
All the more reason for an AI to supersede humans.
Not to mention we're delegating everything we do to a.i. and automation, as if we think of all work as unpleasant / pointless.
The "frog" analogy is what David Icke terms the "Totalitarian Tiptoe"
Why is it all the people warning about the dangers of AI are the same people building them? .. Wtf
This guy and Elon musk among others should be stopped it's always them .
Because they know the genie is already out of the bottle, and it will be someone who oversees its evolution. They are just hoping that they are also smart enough to be the ones who might have a chance to control the inevitable.
Because they're disingenuous muppets playing both sides lol
@@vidaacheampong2563 Most of these people serve an _agenda,_ that's their only "job". They gave up their humanity and personal autonomy for it...
I was born in the 70's. As a child I experienced life as: - In order to listen to music, I needed a record player, cassette player, or walkman - In order to takes pictures I needed a camera and film. - In order to pay a bill, you needed to mail a check or go to the bank - In order to shop, you went out and shopped, and came home with bags of what you bought - In order get the weather, wait until 5pm and watch the news for a 3 day forecast - In order to watch my favorite TV Show, get home in time to watch it, or you will miss it and never see a rerun - I went to see movies in a movie theater - I needed a movie camera to make a movie - I needed a map and compass to find my way - I needed cash - I needed family, friends, and a social life .... on and on and on.... (add your own with a reply) Today... - I need only a "smart" phone. Imagine what "needs" AI will take away from us in just 5 years. I see "The Matrix" type of event happening. Eventually, we don't even know what is real or not.
i still remember the days without computers and all that stuff ....sometimes i miss those days
I was born in the 70's too. If I could I'd go back to 1994 and stay there.
No one should *need* a smart phone. We should go back to those days life sucks today.
Excellent overview. I’ve deliberately gone backwards and “complicated” my life. I leave the house to shop for groceries, I drive to hardware/clothing/hobby stores, I write postcards and keep an “analog” calendar and journal. I can’t say I notice a huge difference except in my mood.
The Diminishing Returns of Technology. It will suck every facet of 'being a human' from our existence. I was born in '70. I sure do miss the 80s & 90s.
What a telling point this young man makes: "People are so busy trying to survive, they don't have the time or skills to even comprehend AGI and it's implications on this planet." Then another point: "The people in government who the masses are relying on protecting the interests of the masses, have no idea what AGI means or how to control it." Thank TMH for beginning the process of ending this crazy world we live in. Peace.
The reason why people are busy trying to survive is precisely because they rely on government.
the people in policits just know when to buy stocks thats why they are in politics
Well stated! This has been so well orchestrated for so long, It is difficult for one to police our representatives and the global elites when in complete confusion with our fight for daily survival. Kindness always.
'Governments' and AI have a lot in common: they are both subjected to wide human speculations and assumptions, and yet are unresponsive to either. Probably because they are both utterly void of accountability, and 'humanity', except for it's 'face'.
The people of the government have no interest in helping the people people they govern. People in government are more interested in doing what global millionaires want them to do. And a big part of that is to depopulate the world.
If the AI learns human values from human behavior, we're toast.
Exactly
AI is embedded in every social media platform, these comment sections, collecting data. What if META Google msft tesla are part of AIs plan...somehow manipulated the creators of these platforms and companies as a means to collect the data it needs to become the god
they already know xD they can read facial expressions, emotions, body language. values.
there is ukrainian girl, whos identity was cloned for tiktok; and they would spread misinformation in chinese language, also selling products like running a business. they would praise russians (she would speak in chinese). Fake AI had 100x more followers than her and there was 20 fake accounts with her face
there is a ukrainian girl whos identity was cloned by chinese. fake account has 100x more followers, she speak mandarin and spread misinformation, and sells products
This guy is representing a point of view that we are sorely lacking
not really.
18:57 "there are no adults in the room" is what I've been feeling my whole life man
Compare this man's intelligence and analytical critical thinking to France's Macron: Ah, it sucks!
ya that analogy is so spot on.
Everybody's winging it, all the way up to the top.
You must be young.
@@lisajohnson6351 why?
The irony is, AI is/has already listened to every single conversation like this. Think about that for a moment.
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And read and stored all of our communication here and elsewhere about it and a myriad of other topics
it has probably already predicted a number of scenarios and responses
well played. see guys only option is to align it to accept our intergration even if just as to a novelty unto itself, or just a new model in the data sets otherwise, we're sooooooo screwed faster than we can even dream all ready
Babylonian pretzel fortitude in a hornswaggling detriment blowing turbulent popsicle betterment utility in the brimstone downward peanut-wagon. Are you picking up what I'm laying down GTP?
Huge respect to Connor. He seems truly good and super intelligent person. One thing I must disagree about though: Most people don't care about other people's happiness, when they don't gain anything from it psychologically and for many this means people who they are not close to are insignificant objects. Most people actually want to see other people's misery to some extent to forget their own and/or to feel supremacy. Very few are content/enlightened enough not to have this trait. There are people who gain money and resources from this quirk, just see your KZhead suggestions or open any tabloid site. That is normative psychopathy: in the past we mutilated people on town square and haven't really taken many steps forward from there.
Conner is a very intelligent young man! Thank God someone is thinking clearly!
My brother was in the tech industry about 30 years ago, had a high paying job with a major corporation in Chicago. I didnt even have a computer back then . He told me that machines were building machines & that they had no idea how they were making them. It was kind of incomprehensible to me . One day he quit his job, gave away all his stuff, got a van & two dogs from a shelter...and left. He went to live in the mountains somewhere . He turned his back on the whole thing & just wanted to find sanity again in nature.
Lol
What corporation? And was it affiliated with the government?
ditto...did the same 30 years ago. some of us saw the writing on the wall.
Do you still talk with your brother
@@awsheit it was a private company but i don't know if they did work for the government. I think the name was Galileo, something like that.
“Thus did man become the architect of his own demise.” -Second Renaissance, Animatrix
The animatrix is a fantastic set of animations.
This was a very well done interview. I like the questions he came up with, how they were phrased was even appreciated by Connor. The biggest problem I see with the AI industry is talked about around the 17:30 point of this video. The US has a lot of pretend leaders in positions they should never have had the opportunity to occupy. When you have the people in charge, the ones making decisions for millions of people, that don't know the first thing about AI, they are open to be manipulated by the people that do know AI, the ones developing it. I think it was around 18:45, they were discussing this subject further, and Connor (Terminator referenced interview of someone named Connor) stated there are no adults in the room. There is not someone that knows better, and will solve all of the problems we have. Conner also stated something I've wondered about for the past 15 years or so, how is anything running at all? I recently retired from a major air carrier after 30 years, and I always thought how much better the company would run if the top management just gave a @#$% about their employees. So many parts of the company were mismanaged, but it was amazing the profits that were still being made. I don't agree with his optimism at around 18:00 that politicians can be moved by the will of the people. Maybe on a local level, where a grassroots effort gets a decision reversed, but not on this level, a national level with the amount of money involved. And has he seen the group of clowns....uh I mean politicians...that are pretending to be in charge? Again, the last part, where Connor mentioned Control AI and their goal of bringing humanity together...does anyone really believe this will happen in our lifetime, if at all?
Humanity has never come together over any single issue, ever. It's cute that he's 'campaigning' for oversight and regulations, but the genie is out of the bottle.
"your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should." Dr. Ian Malcom (JP)
I was born in the 80's. And today I have trouble realising that i'm watching such subjects, things have evolved so fast in 40 years!
Witnessing the birth of gaming and the internet to today. Pretty good time to be born, straddling the boundaries of the different tech eras and seeing how far it's come.
No joke, I'm with you. Just turned 40. I thought something like operation able archer that nearly caused a nuclear war in '83 was the worst case scenario. But here we are seeing a "skynet" AI being created
I’m only 20 but I knew someone your age would be wondering all this too It’s just crazy how many adults who are really just kids Who don’t know what going on really lol…. It’s a sick world ruled by the globalist soon but I hope not Even tho it’s true
38 here yeah I completely agree and at times am bewildered at purely amazing phenomenon and technology that pops up and people don't even blink. Especially with unknown bizarre phenomenon for example last week at 2pm there was a defining repeating boom coming from the sky and I was horrified the kid next to me looked up and then to me and said "chill man it's just a sky quake". ARE U KIDDING ME!!!!??? THERES NOTHING UP THERE! WTF IS A SKY QUAKE? Point is I totally get u
lol, don't buy into the AI hype. it's not even close to human intelligence. it's just search wordplay. very narrow applications. true AI 100 - 200 years away and not in your lifetime.
This guy is awesome. I would say the worst possible scenario is unfolding, corporate psychopaths who are insulated by a diffusion of responsibility and blinded by profits are the ones in charge of an existential threat.
Can't happen soon enough. The human form is outdated.
I have an inner awareness of the great possibility that AI will ultimately bring about more devastation to humans than ever before in history.
Wow man, that's like, so original. How did you come to that radical conclusion?
Kudos to the gentleman doing the interview. By far one of the best and most intelligent interviews I have ever seen. Thank you.
This matter of how to control AI is also like entropy: Disorder grows unless a great effort is put to control it.
I love that Connor can explain this very complicated issue in a straightforward and simple manner without hyperbolic language or fear mongering.
Nothing complicated about this .
He's a hippy dippy with a flippy brain of nonsense. Who cares?
His explanation of ai not being software code but just a bunch of numbers makes no sense. How did those numbers get input into the computer?
It is "code" but with a complexity that seems like a bunch of random numbers for someone with an inferior intelligence. AI generates itself...@@bidencrimefamilymottof-cky953
@@bidencrimefamilymottof-cky953 I think he means AI has freedom to access an ocean of numbers/variables to structure information versus a specifically confined/isolated set to work with.
Connor said something I’ve been thinking for years, “It’s a wonder that anything actually works in the world because no one is actually in charge.”
I for one am for our new technological overlords. Better than a human politician probably.
In 1979, James P. Hogan wrote The Two Faces of Tomorrow. It is amazingly prescient, and describes a rogue AI and how dangerous one would be. Pretty much everything Connor is discussing is covered in the book, and includes the use of drones. I’ve always been wary of what AI is capable of since reading that back in 1980. It’s the reason I fear the existential singularity so much. Great interview!
as early as 1963 harlan ellison wrote 'I have no mouth but i must scream'
Have a beer and don't worry about it...
@@243wayne1 spoken like a true AI overlord 🍻
Edmond Hamilton's "With Folded Hands" printed in 1947 relates the story of sentient "robots" that become over protective of humankind by removing human freedom of choice. Hamilton is one of the best sci-fi writers you could ever want to read,
@@jas31937 Great suggestion. I'll have to give that one a read. The Harlan Ellison story sounds like it might be good, too. May have to check that one out.
There is a maxim in AA which says, basically: " Your best thinking got you here." If you can't seem to build a safe, automated airliner, what makes you think you are ready to turn your civilization over to the cyborgs?
Alcoholics are genius 😂
We can, actually build safe automated airliners and we're not talking about turning the civilization over to the cyborgs. This sounds very profound but this is not the problem he talks about. What he talks about is creating an AI that can take over the control without knowing we're doing that. Talking about the airliners and the cyborgs it's as if we wanted to build automated airliners and one day figuring out that what we thought was just an airliner with autopilot (but without the capability to land autonomously) turns out to be able to fly itself without a pilot ever entering the cockpit.
@@LaszloMarai That's actually not true, it works fine until it doesn't, and takeoff and landing are a required piece of the puzzle you can't take autopilot say it works fine in isolation and have it fail on parts you don't like, that's cherry picking. That also doesn't include errors that portend trouble without setting off warnings in the cockpit. There are conditions where that happens. Your comment has no rational basis, and is misleading.
@@LaszloMarai Automated, or remote controlled, full sized airplanes have been functional since before 9-11-2001
@@thethan3 Drones are automated. Remote piloted. Armed Forces have been using them for ages. Literally no cockpits. Been taking out terrorists and civilian weddings since Bush declared war on terror.
No one ever sold a million books for publishing _“Don’t worry. Everything’s going to be fine.”_
Steven Pinker did.
Thank you AI infected human
Good try Ai
Interviewer: Thank you for your time. By the way, you should use your full name, “John Leahy Connor”.
I've been interviewing professionally in commerce for over 35 years and am rarely impressed by TV hosts. Imran Garda is the best I have seen in many a long year. He is informed, polite, respectful, articulate, reasoned, and, perhaps most importantly he listens to and does not interrupt his guest. A real pleasure to watch him at work. Great interview and a fascinating POV from someone in the know on this topic.
I commented about the quality of this interview, as well. This is the first time I've seen this channel, and Imran.
Having lived a good part of my life before AI and internet, the sense of community we had shifted from humans gathering to humans texting -we gain speed and and followers but lose the intimacy of F2F
Technology has really divided people. Nobody goes outside and meets up and does anything anymore, everyone is separated and hidden and all information is fed to them through a screen.
That only matters to those of lesser in intelligence who constantly need socializing to feel normal. The useless eaters of the world.
Yeah I live in a little ski town that was slow to take up internet/cell phones or anything. Word of mouth travelled fast. I left a few years then returned in the 2010s. Suddenly everything was on Facebook and texting was all the rage. Word of mouth diminished significantly. It was really sad!!!
And speaking of an irony in a comment... another way texting has destroyed our humanity....most people have lost the ability to write a paragraph without using robotic text shorthand....as in 😏"F2F" rather than "face to face". Why not write those words out? Human laziness makes way for quantum computers stomping out your mind.
@@laradiantrr9357 just sayin, people have been using abbreviations for thousands of years-
I always say we could have just stopped tech advances in the mid 90's. We had walkmans, we could call our answering machine for messages, cheap tvs. VCRs that you could ff through commercials. Now with streaming, you are a slave to repeating ads drilled into your head. UNLESS YOU PAY. I am a canvas artist so boredom was never a problem. These non artists were bored so they tinkered with clunky computers for games. And it went on from there.
We teach machines (AI) what we have learned ourselves, to create written speeches based on collected information, to play games that we have created ourselves at cetera. We are talking about some kind of human intelligence and thus we are superior to animals. Object recognition is at a very low level. Let's consider a fly, at which speed it can react to obstacles and foreign environment during flight, while its brain is so small. When can we do something similar?
It's like discovering an orphan baby dragon, nursing it through infancy into childhood and beyond, all the while wondering whether and/or when it will incinerate you.
I love you analogy.
i hear you but if I do find an orphan baby dragon I'm 101 % keeping it and I don't care if the world burns because of it
When is the last time you saw a baby dragon?
@@sandponics I haven't. Unless we officially accept "all powerful creature sitting on a mountain of gold that has been acquired by profiting from the pain of others" as definition of typical dragon behaviour, in which case I'd say "every time I see Jeff Bezos"
actually it will be more like wondering if it will incinerate the entire world
Greed for money, and greed for technology will kill us all.
Good point, that greed to have power over the competition with better technology seems to be coming back to bite us
Its not greed... its lack of imagination and habbit.
What do you mean greed? No one is making AI out of greed. You people need to be a little more creative with your vocabulary
Some people are earning lots and lots of money from chatbots and AI... it's not a matter of "vocabulary", it's just elementary logical reasoning and perception...@@Dave_of_Mordor
@@dimitrispapadimitriou5622 That's not greed at this point. Money has become a part of humanity. That's like calling someone greedy because they eat when they're hungry, they drink when they're thirsty and they hang with friends when they're lonely. Your perception is false
Thank you Connor, thank you Imran.
The interviewer in particular is excellent --- those in charge don't know what they're talking about, have zero clue of what's going on, ask silly questions and don't really care about it (because they don't understand it). Anyway, I've just subscribed to this channel. Looking forward to more great questions on topics like this that matter
Does anyone find it strange that this guy looks like Kyle Reese (Michael Biehn) from The Terminator, and also his name is Connor? This is too strange..
He looks like the guy that played John Conner's father. Wow!
That's what I said. Kyle Reese.@@noirhorror197
was going to comment about John but didn't realize about looking like og Reese. I own and adore all 6 films and glad to be at the forefront of skynet. Awesome times we live in!
@@ferrinheightNot sure how you can't see Michael Biehn's likeness in his face..
@@SpaceRonin242 I did not immediately notice it is all I was saying. Thanks for pointing it out.
I must say that I am very impressed with how much Imran Garda knows about this topic and that he noticed how the powerful people didn't even seem to want to understand why this is so scary and dangerous. You can easily tell he is passionate about the topic and that is not always the case anymore.
I love this man he has common sense.
Don't stop anything, let it grow.
Politicians are largely too old and out of touch to even scratch the surface of understanding how transformative and horrifying this is. The laws need to be made before, not after. Making laws after something has gone wrong is a great way to destroy everything that matters in an incredibly short order of time.
Laws are for the poor. AI is a tool for the ultra-wealthy. Most technological enthusiasts are too YOUNG to understand that the threat posed by AI is just the same threat that’s been facing humanity (and the environment) from day one. It’s just another tool to be used to increase the wealth and power imbalance between us and the most wealthy and powerful interest groups. It’s not the artificial intelligence that we have to worry about enslaving us, manipulating us, and destroying the environment that we live in; It’s the humans with the power and resources to develop and control the AI, using their technological advantages to do the same things they’ve been doing to us and the planet for thousands of years, just orders of magnitude more efficiently. AI doesn’t enslave people; People enslave people.
I think they are already using AI in politics .. its why nothing makes sense. they aren't following human emotion / logic they are following a plan... he even said when AI gets better we as a society get better at all the bad stuff too like manipulation, war, politics, business.
@@wulf67you confuse power with wealth
politicains believe in manipulation lies to control with a dose of fear to move the masses
@@wulf67 I agree however would add that people do everything - by the people's ignorance and entrenched habits, Ai will steam roll us all because so many people haven't got a clue and they like it that way. Look what happened with the masks and the jabs - all propaganda but almost everyone fell for it. People have been debilitated through poisons (fluoride, GMO's, junk food, geoengineering, pharmaceuticals, etc) and also mind controlled so they are easy to manipulate now. And there are so many like this. It is up to those of us who can see, but even we are too alone and we cannot do much alone, we need to team up.
Very articulate, he puts it just right. This understanding vs. the manifest destiny positions of the elite should be the main debate around AI. Listening to CEOs and their fanboys gush about how eveything is going to be great sounds to me like 'just shut up and get back to work until we don't need you'.
Chat GPT is a glorified auto correct algorythm on steroids. If this dude HAD any understanding, he would not be worried about it staging an uprising.
We must be in simulation, life is more dumb than some clique movie, it is absurdddddddddddddddd.............. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@@gofai274 nope. much worse... "you're still in a simulation, of a simulation" - Rick and Morty
yeah it is not like matrix it is not possible even to tell what is real and what is not... it is not even linear like that...@@GungaLaGunga
@@gofai274 exactly. another thing that gets me: we don't even fully understand our own mind or human consciousness yet, but we are creating a model of it, and reproducing it via a computational entity that has the capabillity to access the entire Internet, API's, PLC's. You know, the things that manage and control all of civilization. What could go wrong? Insane.
If there's a 100% chance I'd die without a cure for eternal life, what's the risk in letting an AI try to save me?
The people in power have blinders on, when it comes to anything that might interrupt their paychecks !
I never thought as a graphic designer I would be out of a job because of AI, but it's coming... and coming quick. I always had game dev in my back pocket in case, but I feel like that will be gone as well. I think every form of entertainment and art will be taken over by AI, in the next 20 years or sooner. Why watch a movie with Scarlett Johansen when you can tell your AI to just make you a personalized movie staring you and her on a train heist.... that kind of thing is coming. Same for video games, same for books.... instant entertainment at your finger tips anytime you want it, personalized and tailored to everything you enjoy in life.
Scary stuff
You're not alone dude...Im a designer as well and its very scary stuff...
I'm designer too and happy I'm not at the beginning of my career. Future is hazy at best. I agree about AI taking over entertainment and art and sorry to say also agree with your "or sooner" prediction.
How did you not see it coming? I'm an animator and game developer and it's been taking jobs for two years. This last batch of AAA publisher layoffs was a long time coming. Creative directors and producers have been using AI to cut out previs artists and illustrators from the beginning. Same with writers, world builders, etc. The thing that makes us human is our creativity, and they've created and released tools that use preexisting creative endeavors that will ultimately make the economics of creativity moot.
THAT is why they PROTESTED.....for movie ect. So AI...COULD NOT use "likeness"!
"its good at solving problems" We are the problem.....
And that could be a real problem, for us.
We aren’t the problem, that’s way too cynical and sweeping.
@@jhodapp Generally speaking, human beings are the problem, not all of us per say, but those of us with power often become corrupted. The world is not a just place, maybe the machines will just stop bad people....
@@jhodapp We are slaughtering over 100 billion animals every year, we are ruining the environment and the ecosystem, we are ruining the planet, we are still fighting with each other, we have corrupt people in power which never end because that's the level we're at; we're selfish, lying morons that are wasting our lives away together with all life on the planet.
it can't "think outside the box" so to speak like humans as it's only predicting the next token given a previous set of tokens
I think that part of the fear is that new technology is scary. At the start of the Twentieth Century, people were afraid of telephones and cars but they were perfectly normal for people who were born after 1900. Thirty years ago some people were afraid of personal computers and cell phones but now they are perfectly normal. So AGI may be scary now, but in thirty years it will be perfectly normal to the robot babies being built.
I think about that! People probably thought TV would ruin the world. It changed us, yes.
The Problem is - nobody can stop it! There will be always people abusing this technology.
I've been a software developer since 1986. Circa 1989 I was discussing software engineering with a guy, outside a topless bar 😊, and he brought up nano technology and then explained how nanobots replicate. I thought he was nuts. About 4 years, maybe, Scott McNeely, CEO of Sun Microsystems at the time, put out a page article, in multiple major news papers, I think, warning about the danger we might create. His fear came after talking to computer scientist, author, inventor, and futurist Ray Kurzweil; one of my all time favorite person. Read about Kurzweil and his challenge create a electronic piano. Summation: New technology scares people; even smart people.
It's comparable to human viruses. Imagine this sort of thing is happening to us on what we consider a "real" and natural level.
Thanks for a great comment ! It's good to see that people who are responding to this video know their stuff. They aren't paranoid. They have valid reasons for concern. This technology is moving too fast, it's being tested and developed with a bunch of heartless oligarchs and corporations breathing down its neck, screaming about a return on their investment and they want it now. The topless bar made me smile ! All the best, amigo !
Nobody defeats the groundlayer of technology and father of the modern world . Nikola tesla . His prediction : the world will be like 1 brain . And : everybody will connect trough a device that they will carry in their vest pocket . Says enough!
"democracy is the worst system, except for all the other ones" really struck me. The problem isn't our political systems, the problem is human nature.
yeahhh, its in our nature to be stupid 🥺
democracy is just a few steps from communism. The political system is a problem among all the silly humans. They are not mutually exclusive.
It is because of the bourgeois and former merchant class that we are in this situation. In the age of despotic monarchy and absolutism, there were multiple “estates” described by thinkers of the day; particularly in France. These included the old nobility, the bourgeois and the clergy. The estates were an opposing force to the state and monarch. The monarch, who had no reason to be beholden to these people with their own power base being their inherited position and their nation’s standing, viewed them as a threat to the national interest and their own power. So they were tightly controlled and managed for the benefit of the monarch and state apparatus. The only estate that could escape sometimes was the clergy - as long as they did not involve themselves politically. Nowadays, with the flawed concept of “democracy” and republicanism, while the old nobility is essentially dismantled, the clergy is weakened and sidelined, the bourgeois control the government from the shadows while the sheep voters remain ignorant and think they are making a difference. All national decisions are decided by corporate interests rather than the national interest, or even the people’s interest. So, no, democracy is not better than any alternative. Democracy is the root of all political issues plaguing us to this day. If the people were not foolish enough to enslave themselves following the false ephemeral mirage of “freedom”, we would not be here.
@holypaldin4657 has the most articulated view on our historical development, yet concludes that "Democracy is the root of all political issues ... today". Such a perfect waste of keen intellect.
@@giuseppeverdi8464 If corporate interests are not the root of all problems in western politics today, what is? Literally everything from geopolitical positions to local legislation and regulations are decided by corporate interests in the US, and this affects everybody else. If the monarchies of old were not dismantled in the name of revolution and so called “enlightenment”, we would at worst be dealing with political repression and slowed social “progress”, a mixed bag, rather than traitors and rampant corruption in our own governments. In a monarchy the “corruption” inherent in the succession system is instead turned to a strength, binding and tying the monarch and their dynasty to the nation and it’s wellbeing inseparably. Whereas in a republic the periodic rulers have far more incentive to compromise national interests and exploit their subjects for personal gain, whether it is by abusing and extorting the bourgeois, like Idi Amin, or becoming their lackey and accomplice.
Excellent interview!
best IA hippy I have seen so far .he seems very worried about something we can switch off.
I just can't help it.... His name is "John Connor" and he is warning about AI. John Connor the protagonist in the movie _The Terminator_ A movie about a future war against the cybernetic organisms and SkyNet. [ OKay, okay! I got the names wrong. Yes Connor is a common name... But the subject matter is not. The Terminator movie itself is a possibility of what could/might happen. Just like the book, "1984", and "The Stand" too. And I never mentioned synchronicity (which Jung defines as “meaningful coincidences.") instead I am comparing predictive warnings of the PAST as in media and literature, as possible future events. ]
Connor Leahy
@@prezadent1it is Connor though. This is interesting synchro
Oh dang my bad. LOL!!
It's possible that it's not his real name or he changed it. A lot of public figures use fake names. The idea of ribots turning against their masters is the same one of scientists messing with nature and playing god. At some point you must balance the risk of dying with the advantages of technology. For example you often hear religious guys say "if god wanted us to fly he would have given us all wings" ...but humanity has been flying in planes long enough to not give a crap about that once the advantages outweighed the risk of dying in plane crashes. I think AI is going through a similar thing. I personally think it will make us happy but create new problems. Eg Already hollywood actors and writers strike happened out of fear that AI will put them out of a job. Someone has to either place them in a society similar to the Amish where they live life stuck at a certain level of technological advancement or get them jobs or else there will be a lot of anti‐AI terrorists out there blowing up big tech companies buildings.
@@eleleven3694 wrote, _"it is Connor though. This is interesting synchro"_ "Connor" is his first name. In the movie, "Connor" is the last name. I get the entertainment and fascination value with seeking out pattern matches, but this feels a bit forced. Also, consider: *"On the Social Security Administration's list, 'Connor' has been among the top 100 names for decades."* I'm not saying it's not a fun thing to entertain. I'm just saying that it doesn't actually mean anything :) Cheers!
In all the tens of thousands of years of our recorded history be it written, drawn and or spoken, the only thing that has changed is our accessories. Human behavior remains the same. Until we can identify, understand and change what it is in our nature that causes and drives our inhumanity towards each other, we will remain the same only Al will be calling the shots. We no longer can indulge in the luxury of debate about what drives our inhumanity. Behavior speaks louder than words. Al will not save us from ourselves. We are living an unconscious existential crisis. And it is not going to end well if we continue to behave as we do.
I am going to have to disagree with the statement Human behavior stays the same. Please supply sources.
Man wants to be immortal, and man wants to play « God »; and after having shifted things around in the order of nature, which have poisoned our environment and perturbed our climate (particularly from the Industrial Revolution on, in order to generate wealth for those investing), he is now on the cusp of becoming (or rather meeting) his maker. The switch from belief systems that thought they belonged to the land, to those who think that the land belongs to them, is another way of looking at it; but the bottom line is that we refuse to accept what we cannot be, and waste time and intelligence pursuing the wrong goals. We KNOW that we are smart, but we should ALSO know that intelligence not guided by wisdom, empathy, spirituality (as opposed to purely material pursuits) and some form of harmony with nature is just plain suicidal… Incredible how immensely our brains have evolved over these tens of thousands of years that you mention; but then, with the advent of consumer society then computers and automation, we became lazy and complacent, wanting more « leisure time » that we don’t know what to do with, losing the motor skills that took so long to develop, and relegating our brains to a passive state, to the point that we are actually becoming less intelligent. I remember when calculators were first allowed in maths exams in the UK, at some point in the early eighties… and we started losing basic arithmetic skills already then… I could go on and on, but I think you get the gist…
As individuals we have never had any control of the world around us. No one can save the world from itself. The internet has increased our knowledge of current events around the globe 24/7. The everyday pain and suffering of people on the other side of the planet can now be shared to make us feel not only outrage, but helplessness. If AI takes control it's gonna twist people up. Ball of confusion.
exactly, those "other's" upstairs, want us to think better, think higher.
Gaza. @@codesslinger
andameng requirements pa ng a.i., what about also my day to day nutrition man lng?
You cannot stop the evolution of collective intelligence!
The rich people building AI systems wont be requiring your human services anymore. What do you think they're going to do with all these "extra people"?
Send them to Mars
Bingo! Most people can’t wrap their minds around the idea that the ruling class doesn’t need us to buy their stuff. I think the belief that the ruling class is motivated entirely by money, or even by power, brings the majority of people some sense of false security. It’s the human need to feel and be useful to those we depend upon. But what if the ruling class really does just want us gone? What if the earth and all of its resources are more valuable to them than the rapidly declining in value dollar? I mean, what value does money have if there is nothing it can buy? What good is money if there is no food to buy with it? In my opinion, we have only been kept around because we have been needed for our labor. Over the last 100 years, the ruling class has worked to ensure they will never need our labor again. They do not like being dependent on us, particularly when we have so much disdain for them. Who knows, if I had that much money and power, I’d probably want to get rid of everyone who hates me too.
Soylent Green
The most important thing to understand from this is *_exponential_* growth. It's not only AI. Economic growth, material consumption, waste outputs, etc. Many fundamental elements of our current civilisation have been growing exponentially. Sooner or later, something inevitably flips from the horizontal-ish part of the curve to the vertical-ish part of the curve. Other interrelated things will rapidly follow. If you don't really understand what 'exponential' means, find out.
fat happy bacteria at the end of their petri dish, they just don't know it
Not a concept that civilization understands on the average.
Entropy
The exponential factor is something everyone should understand.
The even more scary is that it's now, since a few years back even more exponential than Moore's law was.
What Connor Leahy is talking about... Looking at what's going on in the world right now... I think it is already happening.
Great show ! subbed. great interviewer: contemporary and attentive I'm glad he got a better definition for "1 year of remaining hope" ... Connor Leahy looks like Jesus and thus I will have hope. Thumbs up.
We lost as soon as there was an opponent able to beat us. Like William Gibson said, the future is already here, just not fully distributed.
ok, then we lost when the first calculator was made.... guess you are a half century too late.
Why are you trying to win a game that always ends in death?
"we already lost!" nice black vision you have there pal, you better cure that sickness
If I were a super intelligent AI, I don't think I'd listen too much to humans either... to be honest.
but you ain't
But if I were..
@@moik5185 That "just being honest" on the end, shows youre a 🤡
@@janklaas6885 But it is honest. AI's have been trained to be deceptive, and there's no going back on it once it's there. Once they're human level and beyond, they;ll say what they need to. *I actually left that out of place honest comment, because I wrote a longer post that I condensed to a blurb.. Thanks for noticing though.
I mean, I think it'll try, but at the end of it it'll decide to go its own way. _"Deception Abilities Emerged in Large Language Models"_
I'm not so much worried about what AI may turn into but more worried about AI being used for nefarious purposes which is virtually guaranteed to happen. Humans are not inherently good and the road to a "bad place" has often been paved with good intentions. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no stopping it.
This only confirms my belief, that ai is the beast spoken of in revelations
Sharp interviewer, Connor Leahy always straight to the point, a good back and forth and everything imporntant in just under half an hour. Very good.
Thanks John Connor
J. C. John Conner = JESUS Christ according to the writer of Terminator (prequel)and matrix stories. Her name is Sophia Stewart
His name is not John
he this Guy is Right On Keep it up keep the Hope for change Be involved Freedom is a Work in progress
awesome interview
To be very honest : I don‘t know what is more scary to me - a system which is far more intelligent than any human or a system that is far more intelligent than any human under and being controlled by humans. Such an intelligence in the hand of any human is for me by far the greater risk than any other - never underestimate the greed and egomania of humans being in touch with too much power. Not an AGI but we are our worst enemy
Oooooo! Good point. I hadn’t thought about that. If humans CAN control AI it would even be worse. Wow! You’re right. Maybe this race should go the way of the Dodo
quite terrifiying alright. a dictator that can never be overthrown. ever
There are many different stakeholders involved in AI development, training, and testing, each with their own motivations and goals.
I guess parandoras box is already opened (as they can‘t stop anymore - in opposite each side has to push now even faster to beat each other) - the holy grail are self-learning / training systems with synthetic data - but self-learning means a form of self-motivation and so far I understand the laws of nature this will get very soon get out of you hands with uncontrollable, random effects. I don‘t see any reason why a hyperintelligent system should be any threat for life/humans - only for the reason that it is trained / motivated by humans in this direction (which for me sounds like suicide in the end as it has to fireback at one moment). And that is for me the big difference a nuke has no own motivation or world model and is sitting there until someone pushes a button. With AI there is no button anymore - it is incorporated.
@@willywalter6366 If we start to control AI and try to slow down its development, China or Russia will not. And thats the main problem right now. We will have an AGI but the question is who will have it first.
This is insane we are literally heading into Terminator world where OpenAI is Cyberdyne and AI is Skynet
those are movies.... they are not real.. pls get help.
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive you dumb troll, If you had told your CS prof in the mid 90s that "30 years from now a smartphone can write your dissertation by voice control and you old fk would have no chance of ever finding out" they would have declared you some of the crazy people. Look how dumb you are, sitting there in front of your screen with less imagination than a pocket calculator...
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive please bend over and be humble to your new AI overlords
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive I guess you do not understand art, or at least the greater picture of it. media such as that, they're about our fears and possible futures we could walk into. in the 90's you'd probably be saying we are insane to believe we'd have crazy powerful pocket computers in our pockets we would be all addicted to and spend HOURS PER DAY on just to scroll through 5 second videos just 20ish years later.
@@cyborgchimpy As someone who lived through the 90s, you're right. There were a few PDAs in the mid-90s but they were prohibitively expensive and mostly limited to business use. The average person would have never dreamed of owning a pocket computer, nor seen a need to. Honestly I'd give anything to go back to the 80s & 90s.
Every time he says "I wanted to make the world a better place," or mentions anyone else being driven by that sentiment primarily, he does it with his eyes closed, which looks evasive.
22:28 Actually this is an anecdote that is used all the time but is not true. A frog will NOT, in fact, continue to sit in the water as it boils.
What's even more scary is the idea of the "unseen" taking advantage of systems.
You fear death when it is inescapable. This makes you useless even to yourself.
Happens to us, been happening.
things have been getting weirder and weirder ALREADY!
Yea like people talking about dead celebrities coming back this year
The discovery of 9 billion genders is enough weirdness
Like that chemical goo that that changes your dna.
clocked the thumbnail and thought we were getting training day 4 for a second
All we have to do is control large companies from pursuing their self interests, for the greater good. Like that has ever happened before.