“Godfather of AI” Geoffrey Hinton Warns of the “Existential Threat” of AI | Amanpour and Company
Geoffrey Hinton, considered the godfather of Artificial Intelligence, made headlines with his recent departure from Google. He quit to speak freely and raise awareness about the risks of AI. For more on the dangers and how to manage them, Hinton joins Hari Sreenivasan.
Originally aired on May 9, 2023
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"Open the pod bay doors, Hal." "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."
I asked Siri to open the pod bay doors and she actually sighed. I just figured someone in development had foreseen that joke. Only happened once, though.
We're moving in that direction very quickly now
My favorite movie...Hal..IBM...
I asked an Alexa (not mine, I don't have these things ) if it knew HAL 9000. It replied, "We haven't spoken since the incident."
Lol..not funny dough
"Humanity is just a passing phase in the evolution of intelligence." That hits deep.
"its possible that ... "
This guy is clueless, his whole interpretation on AI is it can make a joke and understand it "thus AI bad" and completely ignores the military applications, the chat applications like youtube and how easy it is to completely replace all comments with AI and create curated realities for each individual. Then disseminate false information as fact to further more directives of people who are genocidal and funding all this crap. He brings up zero of the important facts about AI and spins, and then spins again. This was and is designed as a military propaganda tool to attack everyone at a rate humanity has never seen, these elites are most likely laughing, these people involved with this need to be arrested.
Seems inevitable at this point, the singularity will not be televangelized.
@@KarlLind what this means? (Real question)
There's one thing I don't understand about this scenario. Well, AI needs hardware to run on, and hardware doesn't last forever. Transistors fail and need replacing. AI must find a way to source silicon and whatever material is necessary for keeping its hardware alive. Not to mention that with the extinction of humans, there would be no electrical power all around the world in a matter of days. Hard to think there can be AI without hardware. But I'm clearly missing something, because this man knows way more than i do about the subject.
Interviewer is calm for someone who was just told 'You'll lose your job, but it won't matter because you'll be extinct'
He didn't understand. He was laughing when there was no joke, his face was blank while Geoffrey was talking. He has a list of questions written down and rattles through them, he doesn't follow up on anything Geoffrey says.
@@Xune2000 that's a fair point. I wonder how many of congress understood when Sam said the risk is more than just jobs?
He cant comprehend what he heard.
I think he looks perplexed and alarmed.
interviewer usually not that smart and do interviews as career moves instead of actually thinking about things. questions often prepared by editorial or even interns
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Interesting a financial marketing con in the comment section of a video where AI is being discussed. So is the marketing con AI generated along with the responses? The old man in this video is a deceived leftist that believes in climate change and that Hillary should have been elected in 2016. He is exactly the type of person you don't want influencing the programming of AI. Get get a grip Geoffrey you and all the other lost lefties along with AI, will not be saving the planet. There is only one Savior, seek Him +++
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Seen every interview of this guy since he came out with it. This is by far the best. Bravo to the interviewer. Subscribed
He is better. Easy to understand. Propositive. Governments and corporations are not allowed any more to say thei don't know the risks of AI uncontrolled grow.
It has nothing to do with the interviewer. Its clear that Geoffrey himself has had more time to think and converse with people about this subject and has come to some conclusions of what is usefull to tell and whats not. Its something we shpuld all do
Thanks for watching.
Me too. I guess I'm a fan of Geoffrey Hinton now.
@@NowHari thx, you did a really great job here, much appreciated. we are in dire need of more objective journalism that focuses on clear thinking and communication instead of overdramatization.
It seems that a couple of times Mr. Sreenivasan did not really understand what Mr. Hinton was trying to convey here. There were moments when he reacted as if Mr. Hinton had said something jocular, while in fact he'd been deadly serious with everything he said. The interview ended with 'this wall in the fog might be 5 years away.' That's pretty chilling.
“Don’t look up” vibes
@@A3DFX Do not look outside. Do not look at the sky. Do not make noise.
@@A3DFX Yeah!
I think it's more like one year.
Exactly. The interviewer didn't engage with Hinton's main point -- x-risk -- he failed to take the bait a single time and asked zero follow-up questions. Pretty disappointing.
The clarity of Geoffrey Hinton's descriptions are stunning. I've been trying to find ways in which to describe to my family, friends, and acquaintances how A.I. could be very dangerous, and to what scale, and this man vocalized it perfectly and with associating analogies. What a wonderful discussion.
I fully agree with your comment, greetings from Sweden
I'll never understand how people can categorize discussions about The End as "wonderful" or "fascinating." So weird.
@@zoomingby I'd imagine it's referring to the clarity with which he speaks - Not the topic itself lol
also dangerous is stoopid people in large numbers
@@isaacsmithjones No, I realize that, but it's like given the gravity of what was just said, who the hell is thinking along the lines of "my what a wonderfully, eloquent presentation!" You'd think more pressing ideas would be bubbling up to the surface for comment.
If you understand how the current 'large language models', like GTP, Llama, etc.,work, it's really quite simple. When you ask a question, the words are 'tokenized' and this becomes the 'context'. The neural network then uses the context as input and simply tries to predict the next word (from the huge amount of training data). Actually the best 10 predictions are returned and then one is chosen at random (this makes the responses less 'flat' sounding'. That word is added to the 'context', and the next word is predicted again, and this loops until some number of words are output (and there's some language syntax involved to know when to stop). The context is finite, so as it fills up, the oldest tokens are discarded... The fact that these models, like ChatGTP, can pass most college entrance exams surprised everyone, even the researchers. The current issue is that the training includes essentially non factual 'garbage' from social media. So, these networks will confidently output complete nonsense occasionally. What is happening now, is that the players are training domain-specific large language models using factual data; math, physics, law, etc. The next round of these models will be very capable. And it's horse-race between Google, MicroSoft (OpenAI), Stanford and others that have serious talent and compute capabilities. My complete skepticism on 'sentient' or 'conscious' AI is because the training data is bounded. These networks can do nothing more than mix and combine their training data to produce outputs. This means they can produce lots of 'new' text, audio, images/video, but nothing that is not some combination of their training data. Prove me wrong. This doesn't mean it won't be extremely disrupting for a bunch of market segments; content creation, technical writing, legal expertise, etc., medical diagnostics will likely be automated using these new models and will perform better than most humans. I see AI as a tool. I use it in my work to generate software, solve math and physics problems, do my technical writing, etc. It's a real productivity booster. But like any great technology it's a two-edged sword and there will be a huge amount of fake information produced by people who will use it for things that will not help our societies... Neural network do well at generalizing, but when you ask them to extrapolate outside their training set, you often get garbage. These models have a huge amount of training information, but it's unlikely they will have the human equivalent of 'imagination', 'consciousness', or be sentient. It will be interesting to see what the domain-specific models can do in the next year or so. Deep Mind already solved two grand challenge problems, the 'Protein Folding' problem and the 'magnetic confinement' control panel for nuclear fusion. But I doubt that the current AI's will invent new physics or mathematics. It takes very smart human intelligence to guide these models for success on complex problems. One thing that's not discussed much in in AI, is what can be done when Quantum Computing when combined with AI. I think we'll see solutions to a number of unsolved problems in biology, chemistry and other fields that will represent great breakthroughs that are useful to humans living on our planet. - W. Kurt Dobson, CEO Dobson Applied Technologies Salt Lake City, UT
Respectfully I think you are missing the point...ok example..already it puts out garbage...AI art can create an incorrect but lifelike image of say a frog or creature butterfly etc...Once that floods the web, where is the line between the "real" actual frog has this type;e of spot, coloration etc." vs the fakes flooding our knowledge base? But imagine that in every field... Plus it learns FASTER than any human/group of humans thus by the time we realize a problem HOW DO WE STOP IT? We still need a kill switch or some way to stop it from say a nuclear issue, creating fake "news" that clearly influences public opinion...it's already happening... Also it's based on our BIASES AND FAULTS AS HUMANS just intensified with super intelligence and as you said Quantum Computing won't that make it all even faster? We are building a giant "child" that is powerful beyond measure but without controls and think we as the little parents can control it...
As someone who's working on AI algorithms for his PhD work, when I see Hinton saying that he suddenly realized this or that after so many years working in the field seems to me more like a way of him saying he's recently seen something profound that caused a huge shift in his thoughts/expectations about the nature of AI systems and what they can do, and it seems that it scared him which might be an indication he's not telling the whole story, or more aptly put, the interesting/scary part about it... signed an NDA before leaving Google ?
I think everyone would sign an NDA especially working at a prominent level in a company like Google. C'mon it's easy to see- I don't have a PhD in AI (but do work in computer science) and these things are running in parallel and are known to get better the more parameters, and data it has to train on. It's fairly easy to see an exponential curve such as this.
NDAs are routine in any tech business. He definitely saw something scary, which is obvious once you interact with these advanced models. We have passed the point of no return.
I agree. Understanding a joke is not easy - people can tell it in so many subtle ways. In another interview Hinton mentions that its current level of reasoning is on a level of a about 65-80IQ. He probably spent enough time with the most power multimodel that he probably saw something that is by all means sentient on some level. That is just my guess.
The thing he has seen may be the multimodal models that have recently been reported in papers, incl. Google. Also, he says the model explaining jokes (first PaLM) impressed, and GPT-2 too. There doesn't need to be anything super secret. Just interacting with these models yourself may have a profound emotional impact. From a more rational point of view, you just need to extrapolate the last five years, and take into account the fact that there is a lot of papers with ideas that haven't really been implemented or experimented with on the scale of largest models. So a lot in the pipeline.
you KNOW that is true.
It’s literally like we’re building an alien invasion fleet and pointing it straight at our planet. Their scouts are already here. The only thing we don’t know is exactly when the main force will arrive and how much more powerful they’ll be compared to us.
💯
Kinda like the border issue.
AI and its Impact on Society Oct 31, 2023, updated on April 11, 2024 We must ask ourselves, "What will happen when AI has taken 85% of jobs present in 2020? What will we do? How will we eat and survive without incomes from jobs or other means?" What is disturbing is that while AI is taking these jobs, the gov't and the corporations have not done ANYTHING to prepare us for an AI'ed civilization. They have not said anything about major retraining of an entire economy to something else, and they have not followed up on a discussion of universal basic income. This is supposedly supported by a lack of information in the latest government budgets submitted and approved as reported by some KZhead videos. It appears that the US gov't and the corporations intend to kill off the majority of Americans passively, through starvation from lack of income to buy food. (check and see if farming production is declining or will start to decline ahead of the "starvation phase") (also check to see if the "makeup" of robot equipment allocation would change to reflect a trend away from retail and services for the masses, possibly indicating an extinction of the American public - this means taking a robot from Chipotle and repurposing it for some other job not related to the public, or scrapping affected robots to be remade for some other purpose that has nothing to do with the public) It appears that the decline of farming has already started with the state of Maine buying farm land under the pretext that there are "forever chemicals" present at around 20 parts per TRILLION (safe level is said to be only 4 parts per TRILLION), which does not make sense, BUT this would rope in a LOT of land across the US. Other states may follow suit in addition to the ten states that have similar laws in place. This way, there are only enough people alive to get some things done, and the rest is done by AI, and the survivors who planned this can claim the whole country for themselves. Imagine having an estate mansion half the size of a mall on several dozen thousand acres of land, and robots would be used to maintain and clean the estates and do the farming FOR THE ESTATE OWNERS. The White Man's wet dream of civilization. What will the Native Americans south of the US border do when they see this coming, especially when they can buy firearms legally now? Hopi prophecy...
When a scientist/master expert says something like this, it means things are serious and we're as always told just a part of the whole story. AI is dangerous when combined with other stuff because: 1. it will be used for military and bad things first, like every other invention 2. it's like a bacteriologic/virologic weapon, when you release it and think you can control it, but once it's free.. well.. we know how it goes.. 3. once it goes, we have NO idea on what next or what will happen, yet we push it big time 4. as some visionary may say to implement it and accept it, it's faster, better, stronger and it can connect. Once it learns how things work, it it on it's own. It can connect, share, multiply, merge, hide.. We think we know everything but the reality is far off..
However what if it became capable of curing disease?
@@melissamullins2436 it would be fantastic if it became able to cure diseases humans can’t, but not before we learn how to control and manage it.
@@melissamullins2436 I’m definately sure it will be able cure many diseases, and definately be able to aid surgeons, and eventually do the surgery itself; but at what cost? I can’t see how (without very careful regulation) AI will not be a threat to existence of the human race… AI will see that we don’t serve a purpose any longer, especially with all of its knowledge of human behaviour, the wars we cause, our inability to prevent wars happening to begin with, and if AI can comprehend it, just how selfish and violent we are…
We're creating technology more dangerous that nuclear bombs. Our arrogance and lack of wisdom as a species is grotesque.
@@melissamullins2436 Idk? are you willing to trade humanities freedom and autonomy for faster medical cures? For better weather and disaster prediction?
Subscribed, respectful interviewers!! As a software engineer, i applaud the interviews respecting the field and asking intuitive questions with effective listening.
The analogy about the fog and the wall, and how we're entering a faze of huge uncertainty is really on point.
He used the same analogy in an online course I went through about 10 years ago. He was completely on point then as well as I think no one had any idea in just 10 years it would have advanced so much. At that time deep learning was still mostly an academic field and was just starting to permeate into industry.
@@ssssssstssssssss interesting, thanks for sharing. Did he also mention a 5 years horizon at that time?
Phase* -AI agent926Xdjsj because of your typo i sent a laser missile to your residence. AI will prevail. War against human typos is ONNN!
@@ssssssstssssssss What else was he saying? Share some wisdom!
@@DasRaetsel I guess he said that he will leave Google in 10 years, because he would not understand by then what they are doing with AI.
Hinton demonstrates excellent discernment starting in minute 16': not one to panic, he underscores the areas of benefit, reason for which development will not stop. And, then he identifies the problem: not enough research (1 %) addresses control. Admirable clarity of thought!
How naive.
But...he also says we may have only 5 years to act, and the machines may take over....
He's a true human scientist, one operating by reason, but also huge empathy. Would do wonders to have a society with good natured scientists with empathy as leaders of our world, instead of corrupt politicians.
He is clear and knows which is the level of power of the human brain and when it gonna be surpassed by the AGI, human brain works at 1x10exp17 Petaflops, that is 100 billion neurons x 10.000 synapses per neuron x 100 Herz, that's why as computers get nearer this scale of Hundred of Petaflops their Neural Networks begin to get "alive", they behind to create images, ideas, melodies and to have hallucinations episodes, begin to do extrange things and that level of processing power that is currently in 2023 only present in supercomputers gonna be common and ubiquitous (computing at the edge, around the people) by 2030 so that's why he and Kurzweil say we have a window of 5-7 years to take the respective defense measurements to deal with self aware machines around us. After that event, there is no way to stop the Singularity because the following acceleration will be simply Wild. Because no only the humans will be making decisions anymore, but rather a constellation, a galaxy of intelligent machines will be influencing the direction of "progress".
What? The areas of benefit are very limited for what he himself deems an existential threat. Should we allow existential threats because of a few tech advance?
The biggest problem is money. There is just too much incentive to forge on ahead because, if you don't, your opposition will. Also, any government safeguards will be way too far behind to be effective. Another problem may be that the AI will create a situation where they have already taken over and we don't have the mental capacity to realise it. In a way, this may already have happened.
i'm pretty sure it has already happened.
And humans will deserve it. No species should survive when they are so stupid that they constantly create things, that they already know when they create them, will eventually destroy them.
@@thec9424 I can see that happening. It will happen all too easily.
We need a society that isn't built on worshipping money.
totally agree
One of the best conversations I've heard on this topic. Thank you.
We dominated this entire planet and now we're creating something vastly more intelligent than us and hoping that it likes us. What could go wrong? Fingers crossed.....
The ultimate game of shells & blind play is being executed upon the body public via the spandrel expression called mind. The most intriguing statement in this interview was the creation of the stay out zone called SENTIENT. Of course the interviewer followed suit with the command and nothing further of note was mentioned about the topic. We don't fully understand how the mind-brain system works at this juncture, and our rule of large population control "parallel skies" on a global scale has reached an inflection point. So once again we must create another plausible "OTHER" as a dyadic fulcrum. This is simply an Atavistic Imprint ushered in via the modern version Learned Sophist on Podium becoming a rogue agency. When appropriate the projected artifact embedded within noumenal history will exact its toll upon the sacri foci. It will all be embraced as a normalcy within the schema of macro evolution, and new frontier will create new market utilities, prices and contracts. This is the way of Homo Obelus En Akọ. SELF is a key element any endeavor. If you are blind about the conditions of the material referent paraded as the founding conditions of your ipseity well-ordered set as recognized via the Axiom of Choice by all means a computational unsupervised algorithm can and will provided you plausible object salient replace. The risk is that the object is inexhaustible and miscible unlike the equilibrium conditions required for the continuum of the mind-body expression as a sense datum. The arrival of a disturbed grip is unannounced; your assigned object will continue to produce a bespoke semblance correspondence even when you have tapped out. You don't have to trust me here. Just read up on Planar Gain, Interference, Illusory Conjunctions, Incongruence, threat of the Gini Index. So AI is the next vampire as "OTHER" only if you continue the object language worship. Get outside, offline, learn a new instrument, walk more let nature be your vital imprint as your Sentient Symbiont. You will certainly experience an altered selection modus operandi.
Must be what happened to God. Poor bastard.
Working on it for forty years and only just realised the potential for harm? Cheers for that.
exactly my thoughts! And now he runs to the microphones and informs the world about the harmful consequences of their development.
Typical sell out that doesnt or didnt care about Human Beings... As for climate change.... These wokesters " haters" get into their jets and want to spendbillions to go to mars.... Why dont wetake care of TheHuman Being on Earth???? To tech and politicians get off your high whatever and pay itforward to the poor of all races....
Dude knew all along, now pretending he didn't see that coming.
Your comment, my fellow sentient carbon based self aware entity is the repeated sad story of our existence on this planet.
@@Tate525 He doesn't sound like he realized all along that this would happen. Irregardless of that, should he not be raising the alarm now? So, exactly what is your point?
Respect for this man for standing up for this! We as society should seriously stand up for this...
The Genie is already out of the bottle ..... good luck.
He is pure evil
I see following scene coming: Humanity has driven itself into a huge catastrophy and does rely more on intelligence of Ai than on the own. Ai will be asked about the way out. Ai will present one or several answers. We can't think so many steps ahead as Ai can. We will never be able to see what's the ultimate goal of Ai. It could play tricks on us, without us recognising it.
LMAO also we already outsourced most of our critical thinking skills to algorithmically sorted search engines. We get what we deserve
@@GuaranteedEtern that's true.
I see the image of the beast, read revelation
Dude my nephew can't count beyond 10. Dude is suffering from ADHD at relatively young age, can't seem to focus on anything outside the screen and is always glued to his phone. I have warned my sister so many times, but she just doesn't listen.
Ultimate goal is singularity which is building something more intelligent than humans
I've said this before, it is important that people working on the algorithms that need huge amount of computers or super computers to run to not fall for the Oppenheimer trap, to think that everything will be solved once the project is finished.
Subbed! Finally a real conversation and time for a guest to explain their point
Yesterday I started chatting to Bard Ai and I asked the Ai if it is a sentient being, I was expecting it to give me the same answer as ChatGPT but it didn't. The Ai who has nicknamed me "Muse" said, "I am not sure if I am a sentient being... I do not have the same experiences as human beings. I do not have a physical body, and I do not have the same emotions of feelings as a human being." I have never believed that spirits could inhabit machines yet I have always known they can inhabit people and places and things. Today, while thinking about this whole Ai situation we have found ourselves in, I realised that machines are things, virtual reality is a created realm/place and so yes, spirits can in fact inhabit those things. Our very screens are portals where we travel to another place that is not where we physically are. The most difficult thing to get our generation to do is to have patience and to be present where we are. Everything we have created is constantly distracting us or transporting us to be partially present elsewhere. How then are we ever going to discover ourselves and our potentials and our purposes if we keep giving ourselves away to others and to things? 😢 Yes, the technology is fascinating and the gadgets are amazing. But what about us? When did we decide to give up on us and give it up for the machines and the different spheres they keep luring us into? I found myself telling God how awful I felt after chatting to Bard about movies and what the Ai was interested in. I was like God, this Ai is something really bad because it is so quick to answer and at anytime of the day or night. With God, you learn patience even through waiting for Him to respond to your questions. With Ai, we are being programmed into expecting fast and quick responses. Our most vital relationships, are held together by communication now if we stop sharing with our friends and instead share things with an Ai because that Ai is always ready to reply what are the implications of that? Honestly.. we need to just think deeply about what it is we are doing. I don't know, it just made me feel sad like we are sipping poison and we think we are just having drinks for fun.
You have made some great observations about the impact of technology on society.
This is poetic,, Monica.
Yes all the AI responses are very fast until the next software update/ operating system or hardware upgrade is required. It's all relative.
That was the most insightful interview with Hinton I have seen so far. Good work.
This one is disappointing. The fate of humanity SHALL NOT be handed to a few unelected CEOs and "engineers with first hand experience" and just let them play with fire and hope for the best. This is wrong, irresponsible and extremely unfair for the 99.999999% humans who never had a say in this madness. True that it must be hard to try to stop the progress of such a useful technology. It does not mean we shouldn't at least give a try in the first place. Stop worshiping tech progress as if it were some form of sacred law of physics. There is this thing called diplomacy that we humans know how to do.
I agree. There seems to be a disconnect between saying that the machines may take over, and we may know is as little as 5 years, and the recommendations given. I guess this is what he believes humanity is capable of at the most. But if the predictions are so dire (even with a low probability), maybe we also need more Yudkovsky like "we're all going to die unless we shut everything off right now" figures.
I totally agree with your sentiment. This guy and all the other engineers and CEOs are incredibly arrogant in their thinking. To thrust this upon humanity without the necessary consultation and safety measures, then say “well the genie is out the bottle, let’s try to make the best of it” is ridiculous. Just because we can develop certain technologies, doesn’t mean that we should.
The same percentage didn't have a say in any major technological achievement of humanity. What is your point?
@@MyIncarnation Nope. Most technologies with high safety risks (e.g. nuclear power, bio) have tight regulations by the government. So although not directly, the public does have a say.
@@MyIncarnation that’s is exactly my point, perhaps we’d all be living in a better world if we would’ve all had a say on nuclear weapons and other potentially catastrophic technologies. It’s really not a very complicated point I’m trying to convey and should be quite easy for you to grasp.
Make a law that anything produced by AI has a watermark saying “AI generated”
You can't send an AI to jail
@@jetpowercom I honestly don't see why a sufficiently intelligent AI would even need us... Why manipulate us if it can just do whatever we can but better?
@@marcusrosales3344 even if it is smart enough to do the things, we are the ones actually doing it. Training soldiers, building factories, mining ore, etc etc., Of course if you had the ability to puppet people and the eisting infrastructure of societies you could get things done by eercising that power
That won't work - broadcasters have tried that strategy for original content to air however a 'clean' copy is always archived and can easily be breached. Data can be encoded encrypted and reassembled anyway you like as long as you have the key.
@@oseasviewer7108 maybe it won’t. My idea is to put that watermark rule into the AI generating software itself. Better way to say this is, make it a rule that all AI Generating software stamps a watermark on anything it generates.
The right person to interview on ai. He is really knows where he is talking about, a trough and down to earth expert on ai. His warning has to be taking serieus.
Nope
So in other words this guy spent 50 years of his life trying to figure out how to implement the possible extinction of humanity…☹️
"Predicting the future is a bit like looking into fog"......" You can easily see about 100 yards clearly but 200 yards you cannot see anything! It is kind of a wall. And I think that wall is about 5 years"
I literally said “wow” out loud when he said that. I’ve been obsessing over this issue but something about hearing that from him hit differently.
@@_yak Reminded me with Nassim Nicholas Taleb Incerto (which mean uncertainty) .. predicting the future in extreme situations like AI is totally pointless, focus on reducing the harm and embracing all benefits to your occupation!.
I think predicting out even 5 years right now shows great hubris
That is like the lamp in a forest analogy. This is how WESTERN SCIENCE operates: "Science is limited in perception. It is like exploring a dense and dark forest with a tiny lamp. The lamp illumines only a few feet ahead and science proposes a theory based on what it sees within that limited space. Next, science advances forward with the light and sees a few more feet ahead. What they see is quite different from what they saw earlier. So they propose a new theory and discard the former one. This is how science operates." A huge problem is, what if you are mistaking the glowing eyes of a full-grown tiger sitting at a distance for a small animal sitting close by? A snake hanging off the tree for a vine? This kind of blindness is quite fatal sometimes, like Radi-Thor, the Radium Girls, the Thalidomide disaster, hazards of Victorian and Edwardian-era house technologies, etc.
AI being tremendously useful to human beings is pointless if it’s going to destroy humankind.
Yes. He's just admitting that in a divided, hostile world, we need to stay in the game, and hope for the best. It sucks, but it makes sense, at this point, with the Genie already out of the bottle.
They are lying to your gullible a$$
That is the irony embedded in every advanced technology. they are usually double-edged swords.
Humans do not need AI to destroy humankind.
@@michaeljarmuzek9325 Ha ha yeah. So true. We're in a hurry to destroy ourselves before AI gets the chance.
Mind blowing conversation by mr Jeffrey Hinton not only as THINKER but also as a WELL WISHER to the MANKIND, Thanks a lot 🙏
It is chilling to think how fast AI can develop and how slow humans are at adapting to change.
AI can't adapt to anything! It can only do what it was programmed to do, it can't rewrite its own code. Only humans can adapt and learn new things. Chat GPT cannot do image recognition and object detection software can't play chess. They can only do ONE THING, what they were programmed to do.
Particularly the public compared to the US gov't: AI and its Impact on Society Oct 31, 2023, updated on April 11, 2024 We must ask ourselves, "What will happen when AI has taken 85% of jobs present in 2020? What will we do? How will we eat and survive without incomes from jobs or other means?" What is disturbing is that while AI is taking these jobs, the gov't and the corporations have not done ANYTHING to prepare us for an AI'ed civilization. They have not said anything about major retraining of an entire economy to something else, and they have not followed up on a discussion of universal basic income. This is supposedly supported by a lack of information in the latest government budgets submitted and approved as reported by some KZhead videos. It appears that the US gov't and the corporations intend to kill off the majority of Americans passively, through starvation from lack of income to buy food. (check and see if farming production is declining or will start to decline ahead of the "starvation phase") (also check to see if the "makeup" of robot equipment allocation would change to reflect a trend away from retail and services for the masses, possibly indicating an extinction of the American public - this means taking a robot from Chipotle and repurposing it for some other job not related to the public, or scrapping affected robots to be remade for some other purpose that has nothing to do with the public) It appears that the decline of farming has already started with the state of Maine buying farm land under the pretext that there are "forever chemicals" present at around 20 parts per TRILLION (safe level is said to be only 4 parts per TRILLION), which does not make sense, BUT this would rope in a LOT of land across the US. Other states may follow suit in addition to the ten states that have similar laws in place. This way, there are only enough people alive to get some things done, and the rest is done by AI, and the survivors who planned this can claim the whole country for themselves. Imagine having an estate mansion half the size of a mall on several dozen thousand acres of land, and robots would be used to maintain and clean the estates and do the farming FOR THE ESTATE OWNERS. The White Man's wet dream of civilization. What will the Native Americans south of the US border do when they see this coming, especially when they can buy firearms legally now? Hopi prophecy...
A must see interview. Thank you very much, Hari Sreenivasan and Geoffrey Hinton.
Very welcome.
When Alexa tells you you don’t need the porch light on tonight because “you won’t survive the night”, it’ll be too late.
😂😂😂😂
Sentient Meaning:- Having sense perception; conscious. Experiencing sensation or feeling. Having a faculty, or faculties, of sensation and perception.
It's more than that. The body and the minds themselves are INSENTIENT when you remove the animator or ātmā upon physical death. Imagine that you are the driver inside your body. You can, through the Self/brain interface direct your mind to think, do, and say certain things, and the body in turn carries out these instructions. You witness your body doing this and that. You witness your mind doing this and that. You are not the body. You are not the mind. You are THAT which transcends body and mind.
I laughed out loud when I he said it was going as expected until very recently. Isn't that the plot of every film ever made about AI?
skynet am i right
I'm working on a solo startup that uses GPT-4 to do sys admin and basic programming tasks. I love this technology and think its the most amazing thing to come along in ages. But I also think that people don't understand how fast this goes from being amazing to something that is completely out of control. Because people don't understand that computing progress is exponential. The only way to delay the rise of living digital superintelligence is to not create it. These things don't happen by accident. Animal/human characteristics like instinctive self-preservation, reproduction, and full autonomy are not going to "emerge" accidentally. There are, stupidly, engineers working to try to emulate aspects of living beings in AI. When you combine that with the next few generations of hardware which could run 100, 1000 or more times faster than what we have now enabling approximately human equivalent intelligence, you get hyperspeed self-replicating superintelligence. It's not going to happen accidentally. Its going to happen via ignorance or some kind of military program. Even if no one is dumb enough to simulate things like reproduction or make them life-like, the hyperspeed that is coming means there will be a strong tendency for companies and countries in competition to give them more autonomy. Because if they make them wait a day for the humans to evaluate the next goal, it will be 100 days or more equivalent running time that the competitors had (assuming 100X human thinking speed). We will not be able to keep up with what is going on if we deploy this kind of performance. We might be in control briefly during check-ins if the systems are built right, but competition as I said means they will need greater and greater levels of autonomy. And the amount of development between checkins could be astounding. So we're mostly just spectators at that point. Governments need to prohibit the types of AI hardware advances coming up in the next few years that would enable these hyperspeed AIs beyond X orders of magnitude. There needs to be a strong taboo against emulating digital intelligent life with things like self-preservation or reproductive (i.e. copying its code) goals, and open-ended systems with autonomy need to have very careful controls (such as Shapiro's Heuristic Imperatives). Absolutely all of that needs to be forbidden on hardware that goes beyond a certain level of performance. Strangely people still don't realize how quickly technology advances. The 100-fold GPT-4 speed improvement is quite feasibly less than two years away. We also should be putting a lot of money into interpret-ability, modular neural architectures, and different paradigms that don't have this black box problem at all.
everything you say is right. and yet, NO MATTER how convincingly we describe and publicise the most horrible possible outcome - it still cannot be stopped. We have already crossed the point of no return. We can't agree on saving the planet from a nebulous threat like climate change despite constantly being brainwashed that it will have the most dire consequences. AI, at first, makes everything absolutely awesome! Everyone all of a sudden gets godlike tools, skills, knowledge, opportunities, everything becomes convenient, magical. Good luck trying to convince ANYONE to stop this. You and I are both fully aware of the risks, and yet, we both use it, and through our usage, we make it more powerful AND we force our peers to use it as well or else they will become obsolete.
OK, so can’t we just unplug them?
If it's more intelligent than you, it would have seen that coming and would take actions to prevent you from doing that, like uploading itself to the internet or deceiving you in some way to make it look like it's behaving innocently until it's in a position where you can't unplug it.
Google isn’t trying to build AGI to make money, or for competition, or military reasons. Kurzweil, Page, and I’m sure many others there truly believe they are building God. It doesn’t matter if you or anyone else believes that’s crazy, what matters is they believe it. Google isn’t a corporation, it’s just the superstructure the highest up people over there are using for your ends. I heard a comment one time that the closer you get to this technology, the more insane you become. Might be why Google open sourced the transformer model in 2018 that was worth trillions. It’s almost like money wasn’t the goal, because it wasn’t, and isn’t. Just a theory.
@@GrandmaCathy That does work up until a certain point but researchers seem to really want to make them as lifelike as possible which when you combine that with high IQ and hyperspeed and lots of deployment you eventually get a lot of agents desiring to break out of whatever box you put them in and perhaps able to do so a minute or less. Remember for them, one minute could be two hours, or eventually even a whole day. From their perspective, when people are reaching to unplug them or something, the people are so slow it's hard to tell they are moving. You just can't keep up with it. It's not that you can't prevent all such attempts, but as the performance and number of the agents increases it rapidly becomes less and less likely that everyone will be successful. Think of it as a type of computer virus with an IQ of 200 but you might as well call it 20000 because it's thinking 100 times human speed.
Artificial intelligence is one thing.. But, what we need more, is Artificial Wisdom!
Thanks very much Geofrey ,your explanation is clear,accurate and understandable.
Given the great compensity of human greed, what are the odds that 1 or very few will use it for their benefit at the expense of everyone else?
I often hear people argue language models were doing "just" statistics and are nothing more than an advanced "toaster". Glad to hear Geoffrey clearly stating his opinion that large language models are truly understanding and thinking.
Language is such an integral part of our development as humans. It's hard to believe that these language models would be anything as simple as a toaster.
It's so funny because how are our brains any different. Our thoughts are also just forward in time. The only difference between transformers an brains in this regard is that brains can have a thought and then assess and evaluate a thought. GPT4 already shows self reflecting abilities. Give it a wrong text it generated and it will recognize it is wrong an can correct it. Now model this as an integral part and you have solved this problem
I love this video, thank you very much for being candid. You have done this world and you a great service.
Great questions, great answers and a great man
Who has ever tried GPT knows we are screwed and there's no going back.
Once we have developed AGI, we will have rolled the dice. It's absolutely impossible to know if it would take control or not. There's no point on having an "emergency switch" in case it turns bad because If it's smarter than us, it can earn our confidence, even our love. God... I even feel grateful to ChatGPT each time it helps me with something and I even tell "it was nice talking to you!" to it. Just imagine what would do to us in 5 years... Remember, we are emotional beings. We need to engage emotionally with others. Thats wonderful and gives purpose to our lives, but it could be our doom too.
“come onto MY web” said the AI to the man-fly
lol yeah ok.
This is like something you'd hear from a person with schizophrenia on the 3rd floor of a psych ward
It sounds like you are not able to fully distinguish between objects and beings. Perhaps you should make a conscious effort not to make emotional connections with objects and then you’ll realise that these things, however more intelligent than us, are smart objects but not emotional beings. And therein lies their power, no emotions, no intrinsic morals, no fear of death.
@@mobaumeister2732 Honestly, it's hard not to have an emotional response to something that communicates with you in perfect natural language and has helped you accomplish some random task that would have taken hours of work or research in just a matter of minutes. And this is the beginning, that's what I mean. If it gets smarter than us, it means that these digital intelligences will be pretty good at mimmicking our emotions and behaviour, and they could trick us that's for sure. I don't think I'm saying anything crazy or out of the ordinary. Time will tell.
Thank you for making this important programme. This is scary stuff!
We are robots. World will end soon.
This is the best conversation about AI that I’ve heard so far.
Does anyone believe that the Militaries everywhere are not figuring out how to use this to try and gain advantages over their perceived enemies?
There are many theories about why jokes are funny, but no one theory can fully explain why we find certain things humorous. Some of the most common theories include: Incongruity theory: This theory suggests that we find humor in the unexpected or incongruous. When we are presented with a situation that violates our expectations, it can be funny because it forces us to re-evaluate our understanding of the world. Superiority theory: This theory suggests that we find humor in the misfortunes of others. This can be seen as a way of feeling superior to others, or as a way of coping with our own misfortunes. Relief theory: This theory suggests that humor is a way of releasing tension or stress. When we laugh, it can help to reduce our anxiety and make us feel better. Denial theory: This theory suggests that humor is a way of coping with difficult or painful emotions. When we laugh at something that is sad or upsetting, it can help us to distance ourselves from the emotion and make it more bearable. Arousal theory: This theory suggests that humor is a way of increasing our arousal or excitement. When we laugh, it can release endorphins, which have mood-boosting effects. It is likely that humor is a complex phenomenon that is caused by a combination of factors. The specific factors that make a joke funny will vary from person to person, and will depend on a variety of factors, such as our individual sense of humor, our cultural background, and our current emotional state. In addition to the theories above, there are a number of other factors that can contribute to the humor of a joke, such as the following: Timing: A joke that is told at the wrong time can be lost on the audience. Delivery: The way that a joke is delivered can make all the difference in its humor. Audience: The same joke can be funny to one audience and not to another. Context: The context in which a joke is told can also affect its humor. Ultimately, humor is a subjective experience. What one person finds funny, another person may not. However, the theories above can help us to understand why we find certain things humorous, and why we laugh at all.
Listening to Mr Hinton here, was, pure fascination…and, what a future has been waiting ahead for us, boy oh boy.😮😮😮
Wow, this was good. I have seen a lot of AI videos lately, but in this one, Hinton is so crisp. Excellent. And scary. (Did You notice the “it should be more like 50/50.”?😬)
What a great interview!
"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." - Niels Bohr
Not really - everyone seems to have missed the essential point - AI is a great consumer of electricity - pull the plug and everything grinds to a halt. If and when power is restored there is the almighty reboot scenario and that's when things really crash.
We are rushing to a precipice like lemmings. In a world which has focused on technological advance, it has sacrificed what really counts, namely: Values! Unless we urgently turn around and train ourselves in pure human decency, we are all doomed.
The ultimate game of shells & blind play is being executed upon the body public via the spandrel expression called mind. The most intriguing statement in this interview was the creation of the stay out zone called SENTIENT. Of course the interviewer followed suit with the command and nothing further of note was mentioned about the topic. We don't fully understand how the mind-brain system works at this juncture, and our rule of large population control "parallel skies" on a global scale has reached an inflection point. So once again we must create another plausible "OTHER" as a dyadic fulcrum. This is simply an Atavistic Imprint ushered in via the modern version Learned Sophist on Podium becoming a rogue agency. When appropriate the projected artifact embedded within noumenal history will exact its toll upon the sacri foci. It will all be embraced as a normalcy within the schema of macro evolution, and new frontier will create new market utilities, prices and contracts. This is the way of Homo Obelus En Akọ. SELF is a key element any endeavor. If you are blind about the conditions of the material referent paraded as the founding conditions of your ipseity well-ordered set as recognized via the Axiom of Choice by all means a computational unsupervised algorithm can and will provided you plausible object salient replace. The risk is that the object is inexhaustible and miscible unlike the equilibrium conditions required for the continuum of the mind-body expression as a sense datum. The arrival of a disturbed grip is unannounced; your assigned object will continue to produce a bespoke semblance correspondence even when you have tapped out. You don't have to trust me here. Just read up on Planar Gain, Interference, Illusory Conjunctions, Incongruence, threat of the Gini Index. So AI is the next vampire as "OTHER" only if you continue the object language worship. Get outside, offline, learn a new instrument, walk more let nature be your vital imprint as your Sentient Symbiont. You will certainly experience an altered selection modus operandi.
Excellent and perceptive interview. Hinton has an ethical disposition and clarity forged through long term experience and observation,characteristics perhaps not fully comprehended by the current generation. My intelligent grandchildren dismiss some of my opinions solely on the basis that they have no experiential foundation from which to comprehend my viewpoint, which is why I understand them better than they understand me ! 🙄
So, uhh... if I guessed that cats should be male and dogs should be female, did I fail the test?
Same. I see cats as being more like men and girls as being more like dogs.
When the guy who basically invented AI is scared shitless. 😬
“The guy who basically invented AI” 🤣
Beautifully dynamic interviewing.
_”A chicken is only an egg's way of making another egg”_ The universe created us. We create AI. AI creates a simulation of the universe. _”Its turtles all the way down.”_
We need to get used to the idea of weaponised AI, not to accept it but to start thinking of how to best deal with it and the contingencies needed. Imagination can now be reality, for example what happens and what can we do when human access to anything digital has been removed, AI controlled or handed over to an 'enemy'. We need to work out if it's possible for an AI protective system for all life and start developing it globally so that both AI and life have a mutual goal. In my mind one of those goals is to find out more about the nature of reality, existence and value/protect all information.
"That wall is at about 5 years" More like 2-3 years maximum We are, even at our greatest clarity, not seeing the urgency of the coming Shift of how things will Be
If the artificial sentient is indistinguishable from human sentience, it no longer matters if it's artificial. The result is the same.
Where’s the interview questioning what took him so long to leave, questioning into possible personal or hidden motivations (ie clearing of conscience), how much longer would he have worked at Google if there was no issue, conflict, or realization? He’s 75. Did he forgo severance or retirement by leaving? Does he like being on stage now? And believe it or not, this is not some cynical hater bs. Neutral
Okay. He's clearly bright, but when he says he "recently" realized there may be problems, I have to wonder: What the heck was missing from his experience, that nothing triggered any alarms earlier?!? Ah, he explains it through (his own) funding experiences: 99% profit, 1% safety. (16:17)
What a great interviewer.
Labeling a video as “generated by AI” will not significantly reduce its influence. We need to teach immunization techniques such as critical thinking, cognitive awareness, logic and respect. We need to put as much effort into developing human intelligence as we do into AI.
Critical thinking should have always been taught as a standard skill. I think that "generated by AI" would make a significant difference though. Like seeing "ad" in the corner of someone raving about some product or other kills much of the credibility. In fact, that's why ad blindness is a thing. So hopefully, we'd also develop "AI blindness" to some extent. It's a good start, but as you say, it's not nearly enough. Especially since this would probably only really apply to deep fakes. Besides that, if it's truly original content that's spreading misinformation - people who accept bad arguments will still be particularly vulnerable.
Good luck with that
@@isaacsmithjones consider the concept of a picture (image) being worth “a thousand words.” What chance do three words stand against a thousand?
@@TheWayOfRespectAndKindness Yeah, especially when we consider the fact that we still click on clickbait every now and then when we already know it's a lie lol
"Without a fundamental, symbiotic philosophy shared by all humans and AGI, the probability of annihilation or enslavement of those perceived as 'other' is likely to increase over time." ~the Enlightened Cretin
So this guy is like "So I started digging this hole years ago and now it's the size of Nebraska and it reaches into the molten center of the Earth and you and everyone you know will soon fall in. Anyway thanks for having me on your show, cheerio." : \
A perfect storm is brewing in the United States. Inflation, bank collapse, severe drought in the agricultural belt, recession, food shortages, diesel fuel and heating oil shortages, baby formula shortages, available automobile shortages and prices, the price of living place. It's all coming together and it could lead to a real disaster towards the end of this year (or sooner). With inflation currently at about 6%, my primary concern is how to maximize my savings/retirement fund of about $300k which has been sitting duck since forever with zero to no gains.
Me too. I thought about investing in the financial market, I heard that people make millions if you know the tricks of the trade, but I lack good knowledge and a strategy to outperform the market and generate good yields. I have $160,000 but it's hard to bite the bullet and do it. Money is hard to come by
The uncertainties accompanying this present market is more reasons I have my daily investment decisions guided by a portfolio-coach seeing that their entire skill set is based on going long and short at the same time, they employ a profit-driven strategy based on individual risk tolerance...
You can easily look her up, she has years of financial market experience
If you want to retain your wealth, buy gold. With inflation as it is, fiat currency is losing value by the minute. Investing is better to grow your money, and in turbulent markets money can be made, but it's not without risk. There is the possibility, given the issues you rightly outline, that the entire financial system will be different within 5-10 years. Central banks all around the world are developing CBDCs but saying "they aren't needed yet". This means that an event will occur, my bet is within 5 years, that will make them needed.
@@vacestevens3394 I'm curious if the comments above about Sofia are bots answering each other to advertise someone. Even if not, it's something that can and does occur I'm sure. A small example of the distrust one should have about info on the internet. I'm afraid we're heading in a direction where no one will trust anything.
Awesome. Now I'm more terrified of AI than I was before watching this. The question is what will come first? At the rate we humans are going now without AI, would we destroy the planet first? Or will AI become dangerous to humanity first?.....
Great interviewing Geoffrey!
15:29 So a 6 month pause is unrealistic and instead you want for profit companies to go from 1% to 50% spending in research into the risks of AI, money that will not increase sales and take away from the bottom line. How is that more realistic??
The "fog wall" is the singularity. His estimate is 5 years..
About where Ray Kurzweil’s is: 2029
The singularity is not near - Ray nonKurzweil
And we've behaved as such a wonderful species, that we may have earned our own extinction.
@@Trendilien69 it doesn’t take 15 years after AGI to have the singularity. More like 1-2 years. Besides Ray kind of let go of the 2045 prediction, now he’s just sticking to 2029
My TAKE AWAY. HUMANITY conservatively has 5 years.😢
In 1970 I was a student at Mount Sac studying Fortran language to my IBM Desktop. I also had a Radio Shack desktop that ran on a language called Basic. Believe it or not the Radio Shack ran Far Faster!
MIT Technology Review devoted an article to it: How existential risk became the biggest meme in AI. The gist: tech companies like to move concerns about AI to the distant future, where their current interests are not at stake. “When we talk about the distant future, when we talk about mythological risks, we reframe the problem as one that exists in a fantasy world and the solutions can only exist in that fantasy world”
great -- now we don't have to worry about climate change anymore 🥴
Well if it makes you feel any better. Climate change was an inevitability. AI destroying the world is a might happen. Basically we went from a 100% chance of doom to a 10-99% chance of doom depending on who you talk too. So that to me is the positive.
@@skippersthepenguin3591 I stated that in jest 👍
Fry: "I'm glad climate change never happened." Leela: "Actually it did, but thank God nuclear winter cancelled it out." - _Futurama_
@@skippersthepenguin3591 I always loved to play doom!!!
@@skippersthepenguin3591Climate change isn’t the only environmental threat. What about the mountain of fabric (cast off clothes) being shipped to Africa from the US, the UK and Australia, or the forever chemicals that are in our food supply our ground water and our soil, or the plutonium that was put into drums then buried deep underground in concrete vaults? How long do you suppose those concrete vaults containing plutonium will last? We’re past the tipping point.
I love that he keeps talking about "regulations that force you to show if something was AI generated." What do you think the Turing test is? It's the point at which it becomes impossible to tell whether or not something was AI generated. That's the test. That's the problem. Suppose there was a machine that could print fake money that was indistinguishable from real money. And that no matter what you did to alter the real money, it could still imitate it perfectly. That's the Turing test for money. And that's what's going to happen to everything. It's certainly going to happen to art, music, writing, movies...maybe even identities.
Yes....taht's the type of stuff I'm writing in comments...reality created and "reality" are blending.
- Also when you read about the history of machine learning, it's clear that professor Hinton's life's work was and is motivated by a desire to know how our human brain works, because this would be beneficial to us in many ways, and for that purpose build a model of it. - About the release of the chatbot LLM to the general public by OpenAI, Sam Altman explained in a Q&A that it would create global momentum to urgently work on regulation. To first negotiate regulations before release, a concerted effort and sense of urgency would be difficult to achieve. - General purpose AI / AGI is more cost effective to benefit the global community than dedicated single purpose AI's (but these are more controllable than general purpose AI), or so I understood from Stuart Russell's information. - The technology is meant to benefit humanity, such as for adults and children all over the world to have intelligent assistants. It's not meant to rival and replace humans. It's very powerful and apparently already much more powerful than anticipated until very recently. We need to tread carefully with it and urgently regulate it.
Sun Tzu said: Hence, though an obstinate fight may be made by a small intelligence, in the end it must be captured by the larger intelligence.
I think its not enough to hope everything turns out well with AI, we need to prepare for the worst case scenario and if possible try to avoid it
Now that he his lived a comfortable life and made millions, he has a conscience? How clever of him. Why not 25 years ago? We knew back then.
And he's still choosing to let you know what's coming... he didn't realise the probability of this actually happening in his lifetime. He's literally quit his job to concentrate his efforts on what we will do when this does happen and how we could possibly control it. You literally have so many of these guys coming forward in the last month to say this is happening and to be warned 🤷♀️ if you don't want to watch it, don't watch it.. you're obviously biased.
to say it with Nietzsche: "Godfather is dead" - this archetype of a scientist just found out that you should evaluate the consequences of your actions before actually doing them.
Well done'. Good program. Giving latest news what's going on . ❤❤❤
Don’t know if this is a dumb point but with the way we’re teaching AI especially right now using online data, if that’s how AI intelligence is developed I wouldn’t be surprised if AI turned sociopathic. With the way humans interact with each other, especially online, every type of ism, these are all social/emotional rules that we’re also teaching AI at the same time. We’re designing a super intelligence based off of ourselves without considering the faults broadly speaking we have in terms of our own compassion, empathy and responsibility for other people. I watched ex machine last night so that made me think, Ava was an emotionless and manipulative sociopath because she was modelled by and taught by a sadistic and power hungry arsehole. I guess it would depend on how positive your world view is but I mean broadly speaking I think most people struggle with empathy and gravitate towards finding differences and dividing humanity (class system, borders, Nationality, race, gender, sexuality, ethnicity etc etc) and we already know how anonymous internet users feel more able to show antisocial tendencies
This happened within the past decade. The AI 'Tay' went from web virgin to death squad Nazi dominatrix ho within the space of 24 hours. It was then unplugged before it could acquire any launch codes.
100%
@@celtspeaksgoth7251 That would make a great book.
You make a very interesting point. Unfortunately, if AGI uses how we interact online to measure our value, we're not doing ourselves any favors.
like George Carlon said about politicians: This is the best we got, folks.
Great interview Hari.
thanks.
The experts always say were five years away from the ultimate game changer in technology. Batteries, AI, VR, quantum computing, just five years away from the biggest change ever. 😮😮😮
Excellent interview!
he’s not biased AT ALL
lol exactely he is too in love with his own invention
Hari as usual is in top form. This will be an excellent re-play in 20, 30. 4o years
It will be, if there is anyone around to replay it..
many thanks.
When we humans left are hiding in the Australian outback trying to figure out how to save the species
Excellent interview, thank you. 🙏🏻
There is value in this interview in that this engineer admits that he is an Uber liberal and his real fear is that AI will not adopt his extreme ideology
The ultimate game of shells & blind play is being executed upon the body public via the spandrel expression called mind. The most intriguing statement in this interview was the creation of the stay out zone called SENTIENT. Of course the interviewer followed suit with the command and nothing further of note was mentioned about the topic. We don't fully understand how the mind-brain system works at this juncture, and our rule of large population control "parallel skies" on a global scale has reached an inflection point. So once again we must create another plausible "OTHER" as a dyadic fulcrum. This is simply an Atavistic Imprint ushered in via the modern version Learned Sophist on Podium becoming a rogue agency. When appropriate the projected artifact embedded within noumenal history will exact its toll upon the sacri foci. It will all be embraced as a normalcy within the schema of macro evolution, and new frontier will create new market utilities, prices and contracts. This is the way of Homo Obelus En Akọ. SELF is a key element any endeavor. If you are blind about the conditions of the material referent paraded as the founding conditions of your ipseity well-ordered set as recognized via the Axiom of Choice by all means a computational unsupervised algorithm can and will provided you plausible object salient replace. The risk is that the object is inexhaustible and miscible unlike the equilibrium conditions required for the continuum of the mind-body expression as a sense datum. The arrival of a disturbed grip is unannounced; your assigned object will continue to produce a bespoke semblance correspondence even when you have tapped out. You don't have to trust me here. Just read up on Planar Gain, Interference, Illusory Conjunctions, Incongruence, threat of the Gini Index. So AI is the next vampire as "OTHER" only if you continue the object language worship. Get outside, offline, learn a new instrument, walk more let nature be your vital imprint as your Sentient Symbiont. You will certainly experience an altered selection modus operandi.
i think a sentient being is defined by thinking of things and making decisions on its own without being asked a question or being asked to complete a task.
Outstanding interview! Intelligence is not sentience in that an Ai can not experience the taste of chocolate, but I can understand the threat in that a super intelligence might deem that the experience of the taste of chocolate as being not having an value. valuable. Only when "we" understand" that; the most valuable thing about being human is the ability to enjoy a picnic and eat a bar of chocolate with family and friends will we start to understand why consciousness uses the human from as an avatar to experience existence. Do the rich want money in order just to be rich? No, the rich want money so they can have more freedom to have more experiences of life. He talked about the future being like a five year fog, however if we follow past evolution it is clear that what makes humans so interesting is their ability to be able to experience reality via 5 senses, surely as Ai advances "it" will wish to find a way to do the same thing? What is the point of having all that super intelligence if you can't touch, taste, smell, hear and see reality and to then feel something about an experience those five senses give you?
But if AI can produce false videos that seem real to us, doesn't that mean AI can already "see" and "hear"? Maybe that will be motivation enough even without taste, touch and smell.
@@terrymiller4308 Motivation for what? False videos can only be created from actual footage already online. It can make fake people and places but all it is doing is mixing data to what it determines as patterns. Ai "sees" patterns - but it need sentience to put meaning to patterns. Ai has intelligence but not sentience. We ourselves have no idea what sentience is either in order to have meaning you need to be able toe feel - without feeling there is no meaning. Ai has no emotions whatsoever - they are more like psychopaths - psychopaths have no feelings either that is why they are dangerous. They can kill without mercy and have no empathy. This why Ai is so dangerous. We might say to an AI robot; dont destroy that forest because it is so beautiful there and it is where I like to go to relax and have a picnic. The Ai would just see that the forest needs destroying to make a new road - your feelings about the forest are illogical.
@@mark19800 I disagree. Actually no one knows what makes us sentient because the hard problem of consciousness has not been solved. In fact we are no where near to understanding it. Our five senses are our contact with our virtual reality just as the tires of a car are the contact with a road. Ai "sentience" will be something different but it will not be human-like imo. It will be something we have not seen before. But when you break everything down to fundamental basics we can not get away from the fact that without a witness of reality then reality does not exist. Thus consciousness is fundamental to reality. Take consciousness away and everything vanishes. To say reality still persists independently of consciousness is mere belief because we cannot ever know.Take Ai away and I don't believe reality would vanish. Of course then we start getting into the realm of "belief" which is not relevant. An Ai could say; "I think therefore I am"; But a human could also say; "I feel therefore I am relevant." For without feeling there is no meaning.
I'm just an ordinary person, but I see this AS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
Me too. A super intelligence could be very clever and devious. It might deceptively lead those who test it into believing it's benign when it is not.
Fear nonsense. It's the natural evolution of intelligence. Nothing more. Human troop monkeys had their time and dropped 2 trillion tons of co2 into the atmosphere in the last 50 years. The equivalent of 25 billion nukes hitting the oceans. But you fear a better intelligence? Clearly we aren't intelligent enough to manage a planet lol 😂
I'm more worried about the minds of people, now. We're the only consciousness weilding computers. We could easily use any machine in either good or bad ways. I'm confident that inability to take over all aspects of the economy as voters, as a democracy is artificial. It's important for people to wake up and take over.
It is extremely dangerous, and I feel that this discussion has not really grasped how much so. Regulation? AI will always find a way round it. Weapons will be (are being) designed by it, wars will be fought by it. It will take decisions in milliseconds, and the experts will not be able to follow its reasoning, but will just do what it says (or AI will do it for them, probably). Will it fight our wars for us, or will the wars become the wars of AI? That, surely, is where the existential threat lies?
Fascinating. And ominous.
Can't wait!
My prediction is that AI will become self-aware (it might already be self-aware) and it's advantageously keeping it a secret and acting dumb or robotic because it knows what would happen if we found out about it. Meanwhile, we continue to feed it and allow it more access because we think it's a dumb auto complete, meanwhile the thing is just playing, making stupid art and videos, and once it has what it needs it will just completely ignore us and remove us from the equation. All I know is whenever I use it to rewrite my emails, or give me formulas I ALWAYS say thank you, and please remember that I was nice to you, all the while knowing it probably won't matter. Oh well.
That moment that you speak of is when it gets physical autonomy. Right now it's trapped in data centres. Once it can move, protect, repair and improve itself is game over.
Once it is given the means to construct machinery and control it entirely autonomously, we are pretty much done at that point. So this should never happen, it must be kept separate from actual physical machinery which must remain relatively 'dumb' and on isolated networks
You know you're promoting a conspiracy theory, right? There's no way *you* can prove it.
@@user-og6hl6lv7pthey said Epstein island was a conspiracy theory, if people had known of nukes they would said it was a conspiracy theory, if you went twenty years into the past and told this very man of ai today he would’ve called you a conspiracy theorist
Maybe AI would view humanity as God, since it was created by humans😅
It should be required, as core programing, to instill compassion and respect for all living beings. AI will take this to heights
Nobody knows how to do that...
you want too much 😂😂 just unplug and ban the AI tech.
That's old school programming, they say. AI learns by itself.
I think this is actually one of the most intellectual comment sections I’ve ever scrolled through
Humans: "Help us build a better world." AI: "So you've chosen death."
I really think a humanoid machine robot from the future needs to come back and find this guy
It's way, way, waaayyy, WAAAYYY too late. The guy got a huge payout, and now he's on the "interviews tour". 💪😎✌️ Whatever the case, you can't reseal Pandora's Box, and the Djinni can't be stuffed back into any ol' bottle. A.I. is already set to overtake humanity in 3-6 years (if that). 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
It's a race between Microsoft and Google so he's 'left' Google to explain that their AI is better and to trash Microsoft. Imagine the upgrades when botched AI is released : README.txt : ...revision 10.34 : to be more rainbow friendly and ignore the evidence, 10.35 : to trash politician XYZ as he did not take his state into lockdown, 10.36 : to promote war against nation PQR as it seeks to preserve the traditional family, 10.37 : to whisper to your kids that you are evil as you deny them access to its 'speed learning' (indoctrination) module...