Arvanites - The Founders Of Modern Greece
The ancient people of the Arvanites, a population group of Albanian origin in Greece, are known to have participated in, and organized the Arvanite uprising of 1821. For decades, their priceless and valiant contributions to gain independence and establish the modern Greek state, was rejected with a malicious intent to pluck out their race and language from the history books.
Although this video will show you a brief history of their culture, language and traditions, it will not show everything about Arvanites and their struggle for freedom. For those that seek a broader understanding, i highly recommend the books;
"ARVANITES - THE FOUNDERS OF MODERN GREECE" - by Arben P. Lalla,
www.academia.edu/48876353/ARV...
"ARVANITES AND THE ORIGIN OF THE GREEKS" - by Aristidh Kola.
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As an Arvanite myself, I feel the need to leave a message below this video because the truth is that some of us do want to accept our Albanian origins. Personally my last name is Mexis/Meksi and my family is from Spetses. We have mixed into Greek society now, but it is sad that Arvanites have a dying language and culture. A lot of Greek nationalists will tell you that no Arvanite wants to associate with Albania, but that is simply not true, they're only giving you the side of the story that favours their viewpoint. In reality, a lot of Arvanites (such as Anastas Kullurioti and Aristeidis Kollias) have fought their whole lives to share an untold side of our beliefs which includes highlighting the similarities of both Greece and Albania, and promoting a friendship between the two nations. The reality of this situation isn't so black and white, a lot of our ancestors have fought for Greece (In my case, Hatzigiannis Mexis/Haxhijani Meksi who I am a direct descendant of) which makes it easy for us to side with Greece, but I think there's nothing wrong with feeling a connection to Albania. I will never deny my origin, and I feel patriotism towards Albania more than I ever will for Greece. Shqipëria është atdheu im! 🇦🇱
Νιώθεις περισσότερο Αλβανός πατριώτης από Έλληνας;;; Κοίτα αδερφέ έχεις μπερδέψει λίγο τα πράγματα. Αρβανίτης είμαι και εγώ και περήφανος για αυτό.Αλλα πατρίδα μου είναι η Ελλάδα και μόνο. Οι Αρβανίτες έφυγαν από την Αλβανία για να διαφυλάξουν την θρησκεία τους,λόγο οθωμανικής κατάκτησης και μην ξεχνάμε ήταν από τους πιο πιστούς λαούς στην βυζαντινή αυτοκρατορία πολεμιστές κλπ. Βλέπε την αλβανική σημαία η οποία είναι η πολεμική σημαία των Βυζαντινών. Οι Αρβανίτες απέδειξαν την ελληνικότητα τους με αίμα και όχι με dna και καταγωγές.Και μην ξεχνάς το εξής σημαντικό.Οι κύριοι αντίπαλοι στρατοί των Αρβανιτών στην επανάσταση του 21 αποτελούνταν από τους προγόνους των σημερινών Αλβανών (τουρκαλβανοί λεγόμενοι). Π.χ. Η στρατιά του Δράμαλη αποτελούνταν κυρίως από Αλβανούς μουσουλμάνους.Εισαι και από το ηρωικό νησί των Σπετσών και λες ότι αισθάνεσαι περισσότερο πατριωτισμό για την Αλβανία;; Και κάτι τελευταίο αναφέρεις ότι οι Σπετσιώτες συντάχθηκαν με τους Έλληνες... Πραγματικά αισχος οι Σπετσιώτες ήταν Έλληνες και δεν συντάχθηκαν με κανέναν. Απελευθέρωσαν την πατρίδα τους με κόπο χρήμα και αίμα.Δεν έκανα εκστρατεία να απελευθερώσουν την Αλβανία ας πούμε .Η πατρίδα τους εδώ ήταν .
@@vaggelispallis8650 Η προπαγάνδα τους στο μέγιστο βαθμό Δεν εχουν ιστορία και ανεβάζουν τραγικά φαντασιοπληκτα φασιστικα βίντεο σαν αυτό χωρις Αποδείξεις , χωρις τίποτα λέγοντας απίστευτα ψεμματα από την αρχή έως το τέλος. Και Τραγικότερα στημένα σχόλια όπως αυτο ριχνωντας λάσπη για να νιώσουν καλά οι ίδιοι. διότι δεν εχουν ιστορία Εδώ το ίδιο κανάλι βγάζει τον όμηρο αλβανο Καταλαβαίνεις τώρα γιατί επιπεδο μιλάμε!! Κάνα γράμμα της Μπουμπουλινας η του Μπότσαρη όμως δεν βγάζουν στην φορά να Να δουν τι λεει διοτι δεν συμφέρει στην προπαγανδα τους Παρόλα αυτά αλβανιδα η Μπουμπουλινα. και τα λένε αυτα για να καλυφθούν από καπου διότι αλβανικό έθνος η φυλή δεν υπήρχε ποτέ ουδέποτε απλά ένας γεωγραφικός τοπικός προσδιορισμός ήταν το πήραν από αρβανον η Αλβανον περιοχή του του δεσποτατο της Ηπείρου όπου ζούσαν Έλληνες. και οι Ιταλοί τους έκαναν έθνος από κάτι που δεν υπήρξε ποτέ , Σάν να κάνουν τους Ηπειρώτες έθνος ,τους Θεσσαλούς άλλο έθνος ,τους Ποντίους ,τους Κρητικούς κτλ άτιμοι Ιταλοί. για να μην ενωθούν εκείνες οι περιοχές με την Ελλάδα μετέπειτα έκαναν το κράτος και έθνος χωρίς να είναι , λατινοποιηθηκαν όλα τα ελληνικά ονόματα τους και τα μικριναν για αυτό ότι έχουν ιστορία είναι ελληνική εκεί. δεν μπορούν να καταλάβουν ότι στην περιοχή και όλα όσα έχουν κουλτούρα ,κτλ και το γονιδιομα τους είναι γεμάτο Ελλάδα. και δεν μπορούν να εξηγήσουν τίποτα χωρίς να διαστρεβλώνουν την αλήθεια. διότι απλά δεν βρίσκεις τίποτα αλβανικό στην Αλβανία. είναι ένα τεχνητό κατασκεύασμα των Ιταλών. περισσότεροι είναι ελληνικής καταγωγής ειδικά οι ορθόδοξοι και ειδικά οι πιο πολιτισμενοι , όπως οι βλάχοι είναι σαν να έκαναν οι βλάχοι κράτος έθνος ΤΟ ΟΠΟΙΟ οι Φασιστές Ιταλοί προσπάθησαν και αυτό αλλά απέτυχαν οικτρά αλλά κατάφεραν να απομακρύνουν τα αδέλφια μας του Αρβανίτες της Ιταλίας από την ελληνικότητα τους . πολλοί από Καυκάσο με τους Τούρκους ήρθαν οι λεγόμενοι τουρκαλβανοι, σλαυοι ,Κέλτες λατίνοι κτλ οι οποίοι δεν είχαν ούτε συνείδηση ούτε αξίες ούτε ιδανικά και σε αυτούς κάναν το κράτος οι Ιταλοί εναντίων των Ελλήνων.!!! με αποτέλεσμα τώρα να λένε τους Αρβανίτες Αλβανούς με βάση απλά ένα κράμα ιδιώματος ελληνολατινικο που είχαν. αυτό προσπάθησαν και οι Βούλγαροι στην Μακεδονία αλλά απέτυχαν οικτρά από τους σλαυοφωνους Έλληνες οπούς έδωσαν τα πάντα για την Ελλάδα στις αρχές του 20 αιώνα.. εάν δεν ήταν οι Ιταλοί οι γνήσιοι Αλβανοί θα ήταν οι πιο φανατικοί Έλληνες. . όπως έλεγε και ο Κόλιας οι Αλβανοί ισον οι χαμένοι Έλληνες . όχι όμως οι Τουρκαλβανοι. Είναι πολύ χαμηλό επιπεδο!
What’s the issue if you are part of Greek society but preserve your heritage and costumes? Why Greeks get rabid if you mention this idea to them? If a relationship between two parties it’s force and coercion involved that’s an abusive relationship. And the abused one should have the courage to say stop. My grandfather it’s from Souli. And I’m proud orthodox Albanian. If it’s pisses of the Greeks so it be. Starikidhja to the bullies.
You are a fake and a fraud.
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I knew the story for the most part, it was just missing a video where the story is completely summarized. Thank you brother good health and a long life. Greetings to everyone share the video.
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Us, Romanians we understand your struggle, similiar thing happened to us, foreign nations trying to falsify history, to weaken us so that so we forget what a powerful people we are. We are brothers, and share the same Pelasgian roots, this is why our languages are similar. Much love from your vlach brothers and sisters. Stay strong! 🙏🏻🤗🇷🇴🇦🇱
Yes is very true that Dacia and Illyrians were of the same origin
@@ermirmehmeti7697 Both of you should do a DNA test and learn who is your father.
@@skeptim8096 Genetics aren't ethnicities, I think you mess up something, all Mediterranean people have same genes Romanians Greeks Albanians Italians and southern Balkans
@@blackpill7856 Just no. It seems that you are the one that have messed some things. A nation is formed based on some factors. One of them is the same genetics shared among the people who live in this nation. Genes have names and they differ per area. And no, Greeks have not the same genetics with either Italians (close but not same) or Romanians. (Romania is not even mediteranean.) But what about you and the neo Turks? guess with which specific gen you are related to.
@@skeptim8096 There is no such thing as Greek DNA as DNA is simply not based on nationalities. Btw Greeks are so heavily mixed and dont have a specific gene to relate. Guess to which you strongly belong to.
Watching this video makes me even more proud to be Arvaniti, thank you.
how does your family live with the arvanite identity regarding their albanian origin and how do they feel about the "greekness"policy by the greek government? im very curious 😅
Why Albanian Arvanites are so scared of Greek government?
@@markosbotsaris32 talk talk talk, the time will teach you.
@@markosbotsaris32 accept the truth… hahaha says a New-Greek.
@@user-db8ht2hg9k Arvanites are Albanians and you're just an obvious Greek hater here. Good luck!
My Albanian friend sent it to me. As Ukrainian, I don't regret that saw it and see very many historical similarities between us
What ?
@@aegeanmapping I say that Ukraine and Albania have similar history
@@user-sm5um8hz4e what is similar ??
@@aegeanmapping trials to destroy nations, ethnical cleanings, genocides, fights against the strongest countries, assimilation of land which is not included in borders of countries (like greece in this video, Kosovo etc. And Ukraine with Kuban, Starodub, Holm, Transdisteria, Belgorod, Taganrog and Rostov
@@aegeanmapping Ingenerally histories are similar because struggles for independence and trials to assimilate people in empire
One difference between arbanites and albanians is that we arbanites know that we are Greeks and albanians don't know it
Ti nuk e din as si fliste gjyshi yt.🖐
Ironically, you call yourself, Greek 🤣🤣 but your native language says something completely different
You wish that you was arvanite AKA albanian...you must be another anatollian gypsie claiming to be arvanite...
Albanians and arvanites are the real native ancient greeks. Greek is the penunsila… but presently to say greek suggests current greeks, we want to prevent that comparison to not suggest that our nationality is greek
What are you saying doesn’t make any sense… you putting it like Albanian and arvanitës/arbëresh/arbëror/arvnaut/arbanasi doesn’t mean the same thing. It is the same f thing it means Albanian. And no we are not Greeks,but you are though because you live in Greece and been assimilated you didn’t had a choice, it is sad.
Im "Turkish" from the east Pontus Black Sea Region. My Great father father spoke Pontus Greek language as well his wife but they were Muslim Greek spekers.😊im respect,love my helleen Heritage too.
I am arvanite from both my parents. I can tell you for sure that if you called my grand fathers Albanians they would kick your arse. People are what they feel. What you call Albanians were actually bilingual Greeks who called themselves Romioi. i.e Greek speaking Chsistian orthodox and hated the guts of the Tourkalvanoi which were muslim loyal to the ottomans, who collaborated with them. These are the modern Albanians and dont you dare to compare them whith my ancestors who spilled their blood for the liberation of Greece. The rest is pure propaganda.
I am 100% Arvanite as well and fully agree with what you say. One better doesn't dare to say to an Arvanite he would be Albanian. All Arvanites are and have been Christian Orthodox citizens of the Eastern Roman / Byzantine Empire. As was the case with all populations / ethnicities of the Balkans and Asia Minor before the Ottoman conquest. My Arvanite ancestors had to flee from their city located in today's Southern Albania (Βοσκόπολης, today Voskopojë) in 1772 because it was repeatedly attacked and burnt down by moslem Shqiptars and their Ottoman masters. They escaped to Thrace (today's European part of Turkey) for a better future. Unfortunately, one more time they had to suffer, this time from harassments and prosecutions from the Young Turks in the early years of the 20th century. Belonging to the Christian Orthodox population they had to leave as refugees into the boundaries of today's Greece after the end of the war with Turkey and exchange of populations in 1923. Never ever my Arvanite grand-parents did consider themselves as Albanians. If you would have told them so, you would have run severe risk of being slapped. Arvanites never bowed to moslem masters, they safeguarded their Eastern Roman / Byzantine identity and religion in spite of their sufferings, bravely fought for Greek independence and held top functions in the Greek state up to several Prime Ministers. If there ever has been any commonality between those, who call themselves Albanians today, and Arvanites during the hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine periods, our history and identity starts irrevocably to split, at latest, after Kastriotis' death in 1468 and his heroic resistance against the Ottomans. Ironically, it is those who largely converted to the religion of their new Ottoman masters thereafter (today's Albanians) that consider him as their national hero.... Has the "documentary" producer ever wondered why Kastriotis' flag had the double headed eagle - Albania's flag of today? He should take a look at the flag of the Byzantine Empire, whose 1.000 years existence ended with the fall of Constantinople in 1453 and conversion of Christendom's biggest cathedral into a mosque by the Ottomans. Modern Albania and double headed eagle...irony here again. I rather accept - apart from Greeks - the Serbians, Russians referring to that symbol as Byzantium's cultural heirs. Latest after Kastriotis' death, Arvanites started standing on opposite sides, they suffered and they fought against what they called from thereon Turkalbanians and their Ottoman masters. So, never anybody call us Albanians. We are not. This for the history. Today, I believe most Arvanites have nothing against Albanians. The vast majority of Albanians integrates very well into Greek society, they typically are honest, hard working people and adapt well to the Greek culture. At least, this is what I can state from my experience.
@@stolgos8964 well said! Greek and Arvanites are more than brothers. We are the same. For more than a thousand years we are living, fighting and suffering along with each other, while for the exact same periods Albanians have always been subjects of Ottomans and enemies of Greece. (Most of the modern day Albanians that live in Greece are integrated though and are very welcome to stay)
Both you are still sleep. Too much info out there go do some research u are 100% Albanian
@@stolgos8964 Just one question for you. Have you ever visited Arvanites of Italy? I suggest you to go and visit your Brothers and Sisters. Tell them if they are Albanians or Greeks ? They are the same as you, the same exact people, most of them have the origins in Morea (Peloponnese,Greece). By the way, muslim Albanians, especially the Tosk have never been aggressive toward christians and especially toward Orthodox Christians and you know why ? Cuz all the muslim tosk albanians know very well that their grand fathers were Orthodox. The tosk muslim albanians are not even sunni but Bektashi, a sort of mix of muslim and orthodox religion. They have always fight for their freedom and for thei national issue which was to be Albanian and to be Free! Maybe you should know more about greek priests at the time, those who publically cursed the Albanian language and were largerly supported by the ottoman authority. It is not a case that the only forbidden language in this aera was the Albanian language while greeks and serbs had all the rights to study in their mother tongue! We Albanians do not hate you even though you hate on us so muc but ironically hating on us your also hating yourself. Be Greeks, be Chinese, be Americans, be whatever you want my dear Arvanite brothers but at least do not hate your blood and your ancestry.
Arvanite here, and proud of my Albanian origins whether Greek bigots like it or not.
I am pure Arvanite of origin, in fact 90% of the 5.000 inhabitants village, which I was born, are Arvanites whose ancestors had to flee from European part of Turkey into Greece. I even understand quite a number of words Arvanitika from the years I grew up with my grand parents and I am aware that there are similarities to the Tosk dialect spoken in the southern parts of Albania, which by the way is populated by Greek minorities as well. Never ever my grand parents would have stated they are Albanians. Neither spontaneously nor consciously. They were christian orthodox Arvanites and, as such, proudly felt as Greeks. Same goes with my parents (both christian orthodox Arvanites as well) and myself. Ask whoever Arvanite you want, you will get the same answer. We feel 100% as Greeks and we would fiercely defend our country against any invader. With the same devotion as our Arvanite ancestors fought for Greece's independence against the Ottomans. Yes, the contribution of Arvanites to the foundation of the Hellenic state has been fundamental. Not only numerous freedom fighters but also up to the highest positions with a number of Prime Ministers. How, in god's sake, does it come to anybody's mind that we would feel Albanian? Stop usurping our ancient illyric / hellenic / eastern roman / orthodox christian identity by trying to twist Arvanites into modern day Albanians. Aren't you modern day Albanians aware that you are the descendents of Eastern Roman / Byzantine Christians who after Kastriotis' heroic resistance and death in 1468 sided with the Ottoman occupiers with most of you converting to Islam and repeatedly turning against us Arvanites in the name of your new moslem masters? That we, Arvanites, fought against you and your masters during the Ottoman times and the war of Greek independence? How can you dare to claim we are modern day Albanians? We don't identify with Albanians. We are orthodox Christians, descendants from the Eastern Roman / Byzantine Empire, who never bowed to moslem masters and proud Greek citizens, the cultural heirs of the Hellenic / Eastern Roman / Byzantine era. Fullstop.
You have the right to consider yourself whatever makes you feel better. That's your human right. In the video I never once consider modern Arvanites as Albanians even though I personally have met Arvanites that do and don't considers themselves as Albanians.But to claims that Arvanites back in the day were never Albanians, are nothing more demonizing racist.
In my opinion, racism is exactly the contrary: It is the concept of DNA and alleged bloodline which leads to racism. Which seems to be the theoretical foundation of the storyline in a number of so-called "documentaries" dealing with Albanian history (and not only...). People in the Balkans, Asia Minor etc. have been mixing all the time in the past. Especially if you did not have to change your religion, which in those past centuries was much more of a dividing line than the notion of being Armenian, Greek, Serb, Bulgarian, Shqiptar, Vlach etc. Not to speak of the "nation", which is a rather new concept dating from the French revolution and which did not exist before. An Arvanite would marry with any other Christian ethnic group but never with what they called a "Turkalbanian" or any other Moslem. As the ancient Greeks said: You don't become Greek by birth (blood). You become Greek by sharing the respective culture, worship of same gods (i.e. religion), language and education. What could be more of an open society and less racist than that? How many Greeks can claim they have a pure Hellenic bloodline throughout more than 2.000 years? How many Turks can claim they have a pure Central Asia DNA, which they came from almost 1.000 years ago? How many of today's Persians, French, Germans, Spaniards etc. can claim being "pure"? Probably a very tiny minority, which won't be able to prove it anyway. Therefore, such concept sucks and is of very little meaning. What matters is what you identify with and you feel loyal to.
Well is millions Arvanites(Arbëresh) who left Peloponnesus after ottoman occupation,they still keeps the Byzantine flag 🦅🇦🇱🦅,Arvanitis are the people who speaks Arvanitika,not the Caucasian Pontic Greek south Russia.😊
Il sangue è sangue Ci sono corvi che vogliono diventare aquila. Ma il corvo rimane corvo e la aquila rimane aquila. Adesso non possiamo fare niente. Perche ti hanno docttrinato da secoli. E la Grecia vi deve. Ci deve il sangue versato. Ma lascia se tropo stupido per spiegarti cosa hano fato i zionisti. Per fare la Grecia con il sangue e uomini albanesi. Come ti senti e un altra cosa ma cosa sei e un altra io sono italiano cittadinanza. Ma il mio sangue era è e rimane Albanese. E ne sono fiero .perché siamo ancora qua.
Non dividere i albanesi in tosc geg myzeqe. Muslimano ortodoso cattolico. Siamo uno sangue del Scanderbeg Sangue del Pirro e Di Teuta
I'm a quarter Arvanitis from Euboea, a quarter Cappadokian and half Maniot, proud Greek and everything else! I love everybody.
I know that in Eboia (Evia) there are many arvanites living there in Kalkidiki, Marmara and Karistos. And to be sure there were proud to be of albanian roots.
Really you are Arberor. 😮Arvaniti ua super. Do you speak Shqip
@@farijeleka2890 sigurisht
@@farijeleka2890 I do not speak Arvanite, my grandmother from my mother's side who is Arvanite does not speak Albanian either.
@@SasGiou This is total nonsense. Languages do not get created when someone standardizes or changes an alphabet. Neither Albanian nor Turkish were "made" in the 1900's. Albanian is in fact one of the oldest languages in the world.
ju lumt per ket material !
Thank you the history of my people. Your videos make me more proud to share the same bloodline!!! 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Keep up your good work thanks 😊 🙏 👍
love your videos. keep them coming.
My Arberor brothers, we must not forget! BLOOD 🩸 IS THICKER THEN WATER! It is not to late to unite. 🇦🇱🩸🇦🇱🩸🇦🇱🩸🇦🇱 in the name of ZEU’ (Zot’i 🦅
For a nation that talks alot of proberganda and tries to steal another country's history why is it that albania is one of the weakest country's in Europe and hasn't contributed anything to mankind except for the arvanites who helped the greeks get independent and most of them say they are proud greeks .And they also fought against the ottoman muslim albanians .Try to better your country now and look ahead rather than look back in time and try to alter history that is recognised all over the world. Wake up
Good point Christian Arvanites, Spartans, Epirotans, Macedonians etc must not forget that you were persecuted by the Muslim Albanians, Spartans, Epirotans, Macedonians, Slavs so called Turks and you fought for the liberation of Greece
Albanian history will not be forgotten
Ofcourse. 1. Albanian nazi division 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg that was disbanded cause of warcrimes. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg 2. Albania signed to become protectorate of Italy and aided Italy to invade Greece. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_protectorate_of_Albania_(1939%E2%80%931943) 3. Ottoman commander Mustafa Paşa Buşatlı of Skhodre along with 10000 Albanians tried to quell the Greek revolution. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karpenisi
@@skeptim8096 I'm so sorry but Albanian history isn't only SS Skanderbeg and something like that, so sorry😂😂😂😂
@@shqipemalesore2620 Ofcourse. "Click Read more" and you will find out more.
@@skeptim8096 bad blood
@@shqipemalesore2620 What's wrong with Skanderbeg Division? Germans made modern Albania, just like they made modern Greece a state from the Ottoman empire... Germans (Austrians included) hate Slavic people, and wanted to bring up another "race" in South-Eastern Europe... first they "discovered" Greece... and sponsored its revival in 1821 with money and everything they could, along with the British and French. Germans gave Greece the first king Otto in 1832... and later in 1913 they gave Albania another king, Wilhelm von Wied. It is logical that Albanians would side with the Germans... don't forget that Germans made Great Albania a reality long before the war in Kosovo in 1999 and Kosovo's independence after the NATO bombardments on Serbia.
Keep up the good work vllako this will be a big channel i promise you that
Thank you for this ☦️🇦🇱
hello ✝️🇦🇱
vërtet dokumentar i mrekullueshëm, te lumte per punen qe ke be👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻
O vlla ca thot nket rast sjam mir me anglishten,kujt i jep drrejt shqiptarve apo grekve,KU e perkufizon iden..un jam shqiptar mo's shif emrin ska lidhje
E pasqyron realitetin dhe u jep te drejte shqiptareve
@@angelogounaris2537 shqiptarve vlla, ata gjithmon shqip kan fol ne Greqi edhe ne per raste Politiker, por Russia edhe Prince Otto e kan ndalu gjuhen shqipe dhe kan vra Prifta Shqiptar
@@Arber-4673 nrml shqipes jan heq drrejtat perher per arsye se muslimant dhe ortidokst kan qen nmas ortodoks me kuptimin dhe sllave, Dhe n'koen mas vdekjes skenderbeut ban pakt rusia me turqin Gjith veneve ortodokse dhe sllave mo's i hiqni fen dhe gjuhen dhe turqit e pranun Kte. Pranaji shqiptaret u kthyn shumic muslimane se Su perfshin npaktin rusi turqi Dhe turku majti gjith ballkanin me dhun e me vrasje por vetem shqiptaret u kthyn nfe arabe fatkeqisht dhe kjo esh arsyja sot e fukarallukut apo perbuzjes nga evropa dhe lanja jasht bashkimit evropian
thank man for opening my eyes and soul ,i m an albanian who grew up in they baptized me and told me that albanians are people of lower class stupid etc etc and yes i neglected the fact that i was albanian till one day i rebelled to myself and got back my real identity,i ve been told lies in school about history they portray us albanians as rats of turks (turk albanians) but now i know the truth and for years i’ve been angry towards them but not anymore today after this video i’ve been sad and also proud about my people Arvanites ❤ love you
I truly commend you for acknowledging the truth what the Arvanites community had to endure over the centuries! A famous Albanian proverb says, "Lies has short legs. Sooner or later, the truth will catch up to them."
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle thank you brother :)
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@@TonyTony-ks3gu we albanians - arberesh(italy)-arvanites(greece)-arnaut(turkey)-albanians(kosovo,macedonia) - ALL SAME BLOOD ! WE ARE FAMILY ,so how can i hate greeks when a lot of them have albanian blood without even knowing it ? how can i hate my family ?
@@numero-_-uno jam 🇦🇱me ❤️
You tend to see only the Arvanites being involved in the war but there were people like Maniots and Tsakonians who contributed as much as Arvanites did. And I don't even mention Crete, aegean islands and other greeks who lived abroad etc.
Helene Ahrweiler: Arvanites or Albanians of Greece / ALB GOD kzhead.info/sun/iLWfm7CPpJOKpmg/bejne.html
95% of the people in the war were arvanites so why mention the others?
He did say that out of 100 heroes, 90 were arvanit, which means the other 10 were of other ethnicity. Plus, this documentary is to acknowledge the role of the arvanite in the Greek history. Cheers
@@Flavor88Arvanites made a tiny contribution to the war of indepedence but bevause Albanians were ottoman dogs the love fabricated history.Leave tour microcosm, come to realiry and realise onlt Botsaris was an Arvanite from the Souli.
@@Psolaras22 lol being created by albanians and calling albanians "ottoman dogs", only a "greek" would do. Sure buddy, keep living your lie
the truth never die, thank's bro
Thank you ever so much. I am truly touched by your sharing and the way history was presented, the photos, videos and music worked so well too. Lots of blessings to Albanians all over the world! Blessings to Greeks to. We have so much to learn and work as humanity, which ever part of the world we incarnated. Love, peace and joy to all!
Was very interesting! From an Armenian! Many friends of mine are from Drenice and Berat!
Thx btw most of greeks in greece are related to pontic greeks whom are closer to armenians and georgians who got assimilated into greek culture, so your real population might be bigger than expected
un jam i lindur edhe po jetoj ne greqi kur isha i vogel nje plak grek me foli arberisht..po nuk kuptoja atehere historine tone..tani qe jam rritur kuptova shum gjera gjith ato rruge ne athine me emra shqiptar..gjith keto vende..po asnje nuk flet me arberisht nga ata qe kur erdhem neve shqiptaret ne greqi..ka humbur gjuha e tyre se nuk e mesuan femijet e tyre..
un vero rappresentazione curato bene .complimenti !
Great video ❤ Father is Albania Mother is Greece From an Arvanite descendant
I'm an Arvanitis, born and raised with / in the Greek culture. Here to learn more about my roots!!!
@noahapollo Arvanites share the same DNA and language with modern-day Albanians. Most Arvanites originate from Medieval Principality of Arbanon (somewhere in Middle Albania today, or Epirus Novus), these tribes migrated south after the fall of the Roman Empire and Slavic migration in south-east Europe around 11th century. They kept the Byzantine Greek Orthodox religion, catechism was done and it is still done in Medieval Greek language. After the Ottoman conquest of the region, Arvanites and most Greeks kept the Orthodox religion while most Albanians and Slavic people converted to Islam and benefited from this status within the Ottoman Empire. That explains the animosity between Greeks (including Arvanites) and Albanians today. Orthodox Serbs a little bit north from Greece and Albania, killed and massacred their own Muslim people (Bosnia), while Bulgaria and Serbia fought and tore apart the region with Slavic people along Axios river which Greek government calls today North Macedonia (?). Albanians see Arvanites in high regard; Arvanites in the eyes of Albanians are brave people who survived Ottoman Turk occupation, kept their religion, and fought valiantly for Greece's independence. I have met Arvanites in Athens, and I am surprised how they had preserved their language, Arvanitika, which in itself is an old Medieval Albanian language dialect. I was in local wedding, the songs, costumes were all so similar to Albanian costumes and wedding songs and music. In my view, Arvanites should serve as a bridge to bring Greeks and Albanians closer. Greece has the most glorious history, and Ancient Greek civilization was the inspiration of European Renaissance. Albanians lived between Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece; and despite not having much written or documented history, Albanians should be proud just for surviving between these two giant civilizations; they kept their language and customs (some of these customs still survive to this day, as the hardcore Albanians would change less with time!)... but loosing to the Ottomans after George Castrioti's death, massive islamisation, and not able to create an independent state earlier than WW1, put Albanians at a disadvantage compared to Slavic neighbors and much earlier independent Greece. As if the Ottoman 500 years occupation wasn't enough, Albanians aligned with Stalin and the communist block for 50 years, this destroyed the Albanian man to the core; communists outlawed religion and those praying to God were sent to jail or labor camps, or even worse shot dead by the regime. Albanians got out of the "cave" in 1991, hungry, tattered, anything outside Albania was totally different; Albania of 1991 was living similar to the years 1920-1930. People were indoctrinated to listen to communist bureau what to say and how to say something... no free thinking, no freedom of expression... some Albanians even today idolize the regime... they were like robots, communist party arranged their life and their talk... paople in family parties were required to toast for the communist party and comrade Tyrant. Those were really dark days for Albanians... 30 some years after the fall of communism, Albania is still ruled by communists, much more liberal now, but very corrupt and nepotic rule. Greetings!
@HK-pp9ig you certainly didn't see the Greek Arvanites as brothers when you decended in your 50s of thousands into Geece to suppress the revolution. God help any Greek or Greek Arvanite who was caught by the Turkalbanians as they referred to you. The men were impaled and the women and children sold into slavery. They preferred to die rather than surrender. In 1940, the same. After living 800 years in Greece, living as Greeks, Greek Orthodox Christians, fighting for Greek freedom, they not Albanians, they Greeks and not part of your history. They constituted 10 to 20% of the population. They were prominent in 1821 because they had a fighting tradition, but together with the rest of the other, 80% of the population won Greek freedom. When the Greek schools were opened, they were the first to put their children in the schools. I also don't see any queues of Greek Arvanites lining up to get into Albania. The opposite it true. Or come to Souli and tell them you're their long lost Turkalbanian brother. Arvanites founders of modern Greece is, therefore, nothing more than historical disinformation with some ulterior motive.
Πίσω στην αλβανία τότε τι κάθεσαι ?
@@user-yp9zy1yc2n LOL, you'd have to kick out of Greece half of Athens and some more. Really?! Arvanites are the backbone of Greek state and Greek independence! You know that! Arvanites even have to forget their blood and mother tongue to please the new "Hellenes" in the second century of the the Greek state existence. You know that Arvanites are more Greeks than you! At least they can track their ancestry to the Homeric times, while some other Greeks came from far away places, from Levante, Caucasus and Anatolia. You know that as well. When Germans came to see your Greece, they were disapointed, as Greece was not what they had ideolized and supported in 1821, while the same Germans helped Albanians take Kosovo many decades before NATO and the US did so in 1999. Arguing against Arvanites is a lost game for you; should be proud of Arvanites for what they have done for the Greek state.
@@HK-pp9ig Arvanites are straight up 100% albanians nothing else they are not the back bone of hellenism and they have nothing to do with homeric times.Let's get real.And for your information im hellenic proper which means im not an arvanite or a anatolian i did not migrate from the caucusus or turkey or the middle east or any other place i'm literally hellenic proper i don't speak albanian or turkish or arabic so deal with it♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️
Albania 🇦🇱 respekt ❤️🇦🇱🇽🇰❤️🦅🦅🦅🦅 600 years have passed and the Arvanites still speak Albanian
barely older generation mostly
🇦🇱❤👏 Grecia ashte veti i shqiptarve
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@@CRE8TIVE_AU Yep, that's unfortunately true... the Greek government and the Greek society in general frowns upon speaking Arvanite. I have met elderly Arvanite in Athens; what a beautiful language they spoke. I could understand 70-80% of what they said. Arvanite is mixed with a lot of Greek phonemes due to the long time co-habitation with Greek (just like the Arberesh in Italy - Albanian language with a lot of Italian phonemes). Arvanites are a very proud people, and fierce; close to only the ancient Spartans... nothing similar with tamed modern Greeks or modern Albanians. I think, Arvanites and Epirus are the back spine of both Greek and Albanian nations. As Albanians, we grew up learning Ancient Greek mythology, and ancient art and culture. The fall of communism in Albania created some stress between the Greek citizens and hundred of thousands of impoverished Albanians who broke the border and overran the Greek mainland. IN general however, Albanian-Greek relations are good among people. I discount fringe groups like Golden Down in Greece (which has more Albanian members than Hellenes), or some un-educated Albanians who think they are better than Greeks. I have visited Greece a few times, and have only seen a cultured people, well civilized and all equal to western European civilization; with some pride of who they are and where they come from, but generally working folks minding their own business. Us, Albanians coming out of centuries of Ottoman rule, and half a century of even worse rule, under the communist dictatorship, have e long way to go... Greeks held strong to their Christian religion which held the nation together; us, Albanians lost our way, religiously split in three groups; Catholics, Muslims and Orthodox; culturally torn between East and West; locally still in feuds; and economically very back-warded. Albania has all natural resources to become wealthier than Croatia up north; and probably as rich as Switzerland if we were able to come out of darkness and manage ourselves better... but Albanians have still to learn how to govern... now this is a Balkan issue, as Serbs did not fair very well either... and Slavic Bulgars in Ex-Yugoslavia have a bigger appetite than Albanians for "antiquity" calling themselves "Macedon" while speaking Bulgarian; and Greeks have their troubles with cunning government that brought disaster upon their country in 2008... I respect Greece for what it is and what it represents; and our Slavic neighbors have a splendid history and perseverance from 1200s and do not need to claim "Macedonian" antiquity to become mightier. All need to work more, recognize one-another more, and live in peace... Germans and French butchered one-another more than us did, and yet, managed to reconcile and live in peace, and together are ruling Europe. Serbs, Bulgars, Greeks and Albanian can live in peace too. God has given us a beautiful land and plenty of sunshine and warm sea.
@@HK-pp9ig I don't think it's unfortunate soon they will be gone and we can move on..
VERY TRUE. 👋🏻 from 🇬🇧
Super video can you please keep up the good work 👏
Fantastic Documentary. Regards from a original Arvanite Albanian from Morea (Peloponnes) 🖤🖤🖤🖤
Thank you! ❤️
@@swordofomens3381 you are an orthodox albanian, stop with the propaganda.. why greeks have albanian surnames?
Po ku je ore vëlla?? A jeni trima me Shpata tan? Rrnoft Gjuha, Fara, Trojet Arbërore
Nuk na duen viza per udhtime sikur UK
@@blackpill7856 Why Albanians have vlach names ends to -U or -IU? Or why they changed the -U or -IU to -O?
"Included under the generic name of Arnauts, it was recruited from Roumeliote Greeks, Albanians, Bulgarians and Servians, who acted as body-guards to the princes, the great functionaries, and even the simple Boyards." Gordon Thomas, History of the Greek revolution, 1844, London & Edinburgh, 2nd edition, volume 1, page 95
Arnaut means Arvanite! has nothing to do with slavs or with anyone else. Slavs called is Arbanski or Arbanas there are villages in Croatia,Ukraine,Bulgaria who has Arnaut,Arbanas,Arvanite origin they still speak Albanian.
41:54 You know Napoleon Zervas is Arvanite right? Or did they not pay you to say this.
Is widely known, but this doesn’t change a thing.
@@dorinakasa9051 it does, first arvanites are not greek then greeks are bad for cham genocide? Choose.
Μαλακίες λέει....
Τους ξεκώλιασε και δεν το λένε ο μεγάλος Ζέρβας.Αλλα οι Αλβανοί ότι τους συμφέρει αναφέρουν.
He was Slavic-Vlach!
As an italian, i will always be proud of living near this amazing country and people🙌🙌🙌🇬🇷🇮🇹
Albanians are stealing greek history, we should intervene.
@@AlEx-jk8kg you should learn history a little bit and understand how Greece was created in 1821!
@@zouzou6358 Ancient greeks.
@@AlEx-jk8kg hi mister italian youtubeing lately greek historians they telling haw greek modern become as a state and he's bin build by albanian dig up bit on your name as you cal your self you tuber and you will see by GREEK HISTORIANS AND WHAT THEY SAYING ABOUT THERE COUNTRY AN WHO BUILD GREEK SO CHECK GREEK HISTORIANS WHAT THEY SAYING THAN HALF OF GREEK PARLIAMENT IN 19 CENRTRY WAS ALBANIANS I'M NOT SAYING THAT BUT GREEK HISTORIANS .
@@zouzou6358 Ur a clown😂
Can you put timestamps in the video?
"The Albanians first appear in the historical record in Byzantine sources of the 11th century." Simmons, Austin; Jonathan Slocum. "Indo-European Languages: Balkan Group: Albanian". Linguistics Research Center of the University of Texas at Austin. Archived from the original on 16 September 2012. Retrieved 21 October 2017.
Maybe as a Unity and not like it was: in tribes
Thats Why they mentioned Later
@@adaradavina7450 "As has been noted above, the first millennium of Albanian history had little to do with the Albanian peoples themselves. As an ethnic group, the Albanians first emerged from the mists of history in the early years of the second millennium A.D." Robert Elsie, Keeping an Eye on the Albanians: Selected Writings in the Field of Albanian Studies, 2015, p. 11-40.
@@adaradavina7450 "Robert Elsie was a Canadian-born German scholar who specialized in Albanian literature and folklore. Elsie was a writer, translator, interpreter, and specialist in Albanian studies" wiki/Robert_Elsie
@@highevan k and? Whats your point?
Great documentary!
🎉thank. Lot
I was speechless, braavoooo. The Greek state must understand that only and only the truth can bring prosperity, on the contrary, one day they will deny themselves. I am very proud that I am ARVANIT from Sibota (Siri Botes) or Vola, Cameria.
They never gonna accept that Arvanites are of Albanian ethnicity because the whole Greek History would fall under Albanian History, how they would look to the world 😮 that’s why they Never accept the language. Russia and Europe created Greece with 6-7 minorities but Albanian was the biggest, Albanians are Byzantine people
@@Arber-4673 Because they are not, they are Hellenized. During the Greek war of independence, if you call an Arvanite an 'Albanian' they will shoot you. Learn the truth about Greece, Albanians did not create shit, stop spreading lies and calling it truth
salutes brother … long live our ancestors who once were the masters of balkan region … who had greatest heroes of all time 🇦🇱⚔️⚔️⚔️⚔️
Your great great great grand parents were greeks and over time they started to speak albanian just like the arvanites in greece that most can only speak greek
Chams werent Albanians, Chams were Muslim sarakatsanis and vlachs.Not albanian at all.
Thank you ❤
Respekt dhe vetem respekt. Shume gjera po qartesohen ne istorin e bosht qe kam mesurar ne kete shtet rracist. Respekt.
@SkyTechLover - Kush eshte shtet racist? Greqia? Greket jane me komplexe me te erreta se shqiptaret... keshtu qe fjala racist nuk shkon. Greket jane anti-shqiptare. Racism was defined by the master of race, Germans who chose Albanians above Greeks, and of course above Slavs. Please do not use the word "racist" for Greeks, they are not racist; just ant-Albanian (Albanian-haters)... you can see how friendly are Greeks and the Greek state toward Afghanistani people, Pakistani people, and others from Africa or Asia, but they are full of hate against Albanians.
@@HK-pp9ig Shiko ne pergjithesi kam gjetur njeres te mbrekullushem qe akoma i kam shoke te ngusht Grek flas. Po keta njeres eshte sikur kerkon gjilper ne kasht. Ke te drejte Urrejta qe kan kundra nesh eshte e pa besushme. I mesoj keshtu qe kur lindin. Dhe vazhdon kjo uretje gjer sa ven ne var.
Spread love not hate
Don't paint everyone with the same brush Albania's are a part of Greek society since 600 years
This version of Albanian history has for centuries been disputed by many ancient scripts much older than those you are quoting in this video.
you can read all the scripts you want. nothing changes the fact that all epirus/illyria/macedonia spoke the same language. greek was not the language they spoke
@@thisoldpod so why are there Ancient Greek archeological sites in modern day Albania and North Macedonia?
@@paulturner9542 so they could steal more history
@@paulturner9542 All the architecture of ancient Rome was influenced by Greek culture and the same thing happened in those sites you are talking about. Would you call the Roman ruins Greek? If you have no expertise for this, don't talk nonsense.
Those Greeks you are taking about were most likely Illyrians as well. Greek did not exist back then. Remember that Dorians came from the North and settled to the south as well. Hellenes is a synonym for Illyrians, they both have the same meaning basically - The star people.
Didn't expect this documentary to be so well-researched and based on facts. Well done 👏
Me too especially the fact that the Muslim Albanians were persecuting the Christian Arvanites and had to fled to Greece and became one with the other Greeks and fight for the liberation of Greece was an eye opener.
Here, here, Alvinites are part of the Greek family and Modern Greek story. My Fathers family (Prokopis) are Greeks from Kefalonia (Ioanian Islands). After the Romans, Byzantines, Normans and Italian Families, the Venetians ruled 1500-1787 while the Ottomans were ruling the mainland. After a few years of French, Russian-Ottoman rule 1797-1809, it became a semi self governed British Protectorate known as The United States of the Ionian Islands - 1815 to 1864.
@antap you might be right about "alvinites" - Arvanites are a different story - Arvanites are Greek orthodox people who have common DNA/blood and language with modern-day Albanians. Arvanites are documented to have moved to central and south Greece from 11th century onward and they kept their language and customs. Arvanites is considered an Albanian dialect by the world accademia.
@@HK-pp9igthey didn't move, they are AUTOCHTHONOUS
@@illyrian3949 You talking about Arvanites? They didn't move? Yes, they did; the earliest migration of Arvanites south toward Peloponese are from the 11th century; some scholars believe this happened at the time of Slavic advent in the Balkans. Maybe you are talking about other Albanians in Greece, Chams? Many Albanians, mainly Muslim Albanians in Greece lived in Epirus and Macedonia form many centuries; almost all Muslims were expelled to Turkey in 1923 when Greece retrieved Greeks and other Orthodox people from the Kemalian Turkey; Albanian Orthodox people in Greece simply adhered to the Grrek culture by government and society pressure and/or for opportunistic reasons. Epirus of 18th and 19th centuries was a mixed place, especially Ioannina, where Muslim and Orthodox Albanians lived along Greeks, Vlachs, Jews, Gypsies, etc. After WW1 when Greece added most of Epirus into their territory, Albanian population declined due to Greece's policy against Albanians, and after WW2 Greece ethnically cleansed Epirus of Albanians there.
@antap You are right, Arvanites are part of the modern Greek history. They share the same DNA and language with Albanians, but nobody is saying that they are not Greeks - they have been Greeks before modern Greek state. Arvanites date from 11th century, many inhabitans of what was known then as Albanoi, Principality of Arber, etc., moved to Morea, Poloponese and other parts of Modern Greece due to the presure from massive Slavic migration to the Balkans. Slavs went as south as Epirus, and they overran Macedonia, Thessaly and other regions. There are many Greek speakers today in Epirus (north and south) who carry Slavic DNA. It is interesting to know that, on the Albanian border slavic DNA is found in both Albanian (Muslim) and Greek speaking communities (Orthodox). Arvanites in this regard are local to the south-east Europe from 6-8 thousand years, they only migrated further south during Middle Ages. There were Greek Orthodox then, they continue to be Greek Orthodox now, while many Albanian Orthodox (Greek Orthodox nonetheless) converted massively to Muslims during the long Ottoman occupation. I have met Arvanites in Athens, Piraeus, Megara, and Salamina. I also have met many Albanian speakers in Ioannina, but they were not arvanites, they were Albanian Orthodox inhabitants of Epirus who identify as Greeks after Ottomans withdrew from Epirus after the WW1. Be proud of what you are! I know most of the times Albanians from the socialist republic have no clue about Arvanites, and bluntly say that Arvanites are Albanians - while Albanian heritage is something to be proud of for Arvanites of Italy (Arberesh) similar and sometimes the same bloodline as Arvanites, as some Arberesh of Italy came from Morea (Epirus and other north-western coastal Greece), and the same pride is displayed by Arberesh in the USA and Argentina; but in Greece, for many reasons Arvanites had a hard time being accepted as first class Greeks especially after WW2, political Greek supremacy, ancient Greek heritage, and above all, modern day Albanians being Muslims, hence closer to Truks than to their Greek neighbors, made many Greeks despise Albanians in general; many Greeks hate Albanians more than they hate Turks; Arvanites do not want to be seen as part of that hated group. Albanians themselves are very proud; they haven't done much; but in my opinion they have done more than many other people; Albanians survived between two great absolute powers; Greek antiquity and mighty Roman Empire. You can see Romania being all romanized, Thrace and macedonia were overran by Slavs; Albanian ahve nothing to show to others, but they have their own language, their old customs; kinship and welcoming like no one else. Well, I don't want to start our bad side, as I know more our faults than Greeks can tell!!! Be well! Greetings!
@@HK-pp9igArvanites was Albanian and they language was Albanian 🦅🇦🇱🦅
Council of Europe's mission visited Albania and formed a Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana. In April 2002, the Center delivered a questionnaire of 33 questions to the Albanian population all over the country. "The results of this research show that about one million or 35% of the total population in the country are members of minorities. This makes Albania a multiethnic state," said the Director of the Center for Ethnic Research in Tirana, Kimet Fetahu.
Greeks calling Albanians multi ethnic... ironic 😂
@@southepirote7676 "The coastal Himara region of Southern Albania has always had a predominantly ethnic Greek population." "Albania: The state of a nation". ICG Balkans Report N°111. p. 15. Archived from the original (PDF) on 8 August 2010. Retrieved 2 September 2010
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@@southepirote7676 "Greeks, Armenians, Jews, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ethnic continuity, since, despite massive cultural changes over the centuries, certain key identifying components-name, language, customs, religious community and territorial association-were broadly maintained and reproduced for millennia.“ Anthony D Smith 2003, Chosen Peoples: Sacred Sources of National Identity, p. 98
@@southepirote7676 And the analbanians?! Where are they?!! lol NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!
Arvanites (11% of the Greek population ) fought for the freedom of Greece killing many Turkalbanians in 1821 and many traitors Chams in 1944-45. Thats the historical truth. Arvanites have a Greek conscience and nothing can change that.
Αδελφε , ενας αρβανιτης σε ενα σχολιο εγραψε οτι οι αρβανιτες ειναι το 1% του πληθυσμου της ελλαδος Καλο ειναι να ξεκαθαρισουμε και τι ακριβως ειναι ο αρβανιτης Εγω ειμαι απο ηπειρο απο τα συνορα και ξερω οτι στην νοτια αλβανια οι τραγουδιστες τραγουδανε σε 4 γλωσσες .Ελληνικα , βλαχικα, αλβανικα και σλαβικα .Ολοι αυτοι τωρα στα σχολια ειναι ελληνες γενιτσαροι(τσαμηδες) , που μιλαγαν μονο ελληνικα και ειναι η πλειοψηφια .Αλλοι εχουν ως μητρικη τα βλαχικα , αλλοι τα σλαβικα και αλλοι τα αλβανικα . Ολοι αυτοι στα σχολια ειναι μουσουλμανοι που παιζουν ενα πολιτικο παιχνιδι .Πουλανε 'αλβανιλικι' που δεν υπαρχει Δεν θελω να σε στεναχωρησω ,αλλα το χωριο μου ειναι κοντα στα χωρια του σουλιου Ουτε ο μποτσαρης , ουτε ο τζαβελας ηταν αρβανιτες .Και στις λεγομενες 'φαρες' μονο ενα επιθετο ειναι αλβανικο .Τα αλλα δεν ειναι .Μη μου πεις οτι ο κουτσονικας ηταν αρβανιτης ; Και τους 'τσαμηδες' τους καθαρισαν πολλοι απο το χωριο μου , που ηταν στον ζερβα και δεν ειχαν σχεση ουτε με αρβανιτες , ουτε με βλαχους ουτε με τιποτα απο αυτα.Ξερω τι σου λεω.Απο το χωριο μου ηταν ο πιο γνωστος καπετανιος της ηπειρου του 1912 .Καμια σχεση με 'αρβανιτες' ,'βλαχους' .Ουτε καν με σαρακατσανους Του εγραψαν λοιπον ενα τραγουδι που λεει κατι τετοιο περιπου ' καπετανιε , μαζεψε βλαχους απο την θεσπρωτια , την θεσσαλια και πολεμα '. Το οτι ενας βλαχος θελησε να του γραψει ενα τραγουδι δεν σημαινει οτι ο καπετανιος ηταν βλαχος .Τα 'πρωτοπαλικαρα' ηταν θειοι του παππου μου και το χωριο , αδελφε, δεν εχει και την καλυτερη γνωμη γι' αυτους .Δεν λεει κανεις οτι δεν πολεμησαν οι αρβανιτες , αλλα και αυτο τωρα ηταν ολοι αρβανιτες , ενταξει ειναι λιγο τραβηγμενο
Arvanites are Albanian indigenous is western Greece part of Albania.
@@southepirote7676 yeah? lol . If the Albanians want, they can test their rage again.
Arvanites Are Albanian.
They didn’t fight for the freedom of Greece. They fought for their own freedom. And what happened after is that they were forced to change their identity and hate their origin and blood as if it was a crime. The same thing happens today where greek government treats albanian immigrants as if they were guilty of being albanian. They teach them that albanians are turks, u educated, criminals and all the bad things. The result us that albanian immigrants in Greece deny their origin because they feel embarrassed. The same thing happened with arvanites and souliotes. Being albanian is not embarrassing, we are proud to be one of the most ancient population and one of the most peaceful populations who never attacked any other country and never started a war!
Amazing content and I really love all the facts. Makes me want to remove all the dramatic effects that make it seem less serious than what it is. This part of history should also be investigated and revealed, but let the history set the tone. Don’t set the tone for history, it creates negative connotations.
With all due respect, many independent Greek historians have admitted many of the facts mentioned in the video for a very long time. So who's to blame here..? Should this channel take the blame for highlighting what Greek historians are already admitting and then blame the "messenger" for creating negative connotation, or is it Greek historiographical propaganda machine that's denying these facts and demonizing those that speak out?
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle I absolutely agree with you. Don’t get me wrong, I am well aware of what happened there and what has happened to ethnicities and cultures in nation building. This happened many places and is still happening to Tibetans, uighurs, aborigines, Palestinians, tribes in Africa and South America, etc. My point is that the propaganda machine that has taken place will fall upon itself when presented with the historical facts. The history is awful as it is, but when the presenter of history sets the tone, he also makes a narrative that might obscure the intention, which is to highlight what happened. I don’t want this valuable information to be discredited because of its emphatic narrative, but rather because it reflects the true state of affairs during those times. Since the “Greek” state has already been invented and now factually exists in the world and the psyche of the Greek people, it is counterproductive because the idea of a Greek state is real today, but by whom and what it was founded upon, is not. That is the essence of this video, to highlight the truth of what happened to the true people of todays Greece. Greeks and the world today are unaware of this fact, it’s been purposely erased from the collective consciousness. This is why any attempt of rectifying it must be done without feelings and emotions, but simply with the truth. All the ignorance is to blame, but everyone was victims to these great powers, unfortunately in this case, Albanians the most. My point was that even if you removed many of the dramatic effects, the message would still be powerful. Nonetheless, really great job in bringing this information out.
@@AlOfNorway You are absolutly right that this topic is sensitive and should be treated with respect, and not discriminate against the Greek people, which i clearly mention 43:44. Be that as it may, countries around the world, especially European countries that helped consolidate the modern Greek state, know these facts very well. Each of these heads of states have their own historians, military advisors, economists etc, who often counsul their elected officials when drafting political agreements with nations, but also enlighten their officials of deep rooted conflicts between nations. Though the Arvanite struggle has purposefully been manipulated by Greek historiography for decades, more light ought to be shed on the lies, whether that be with or without dramatic effects. 😉 Thank you for your appreciation and your thoughtful reasoning. Enjoyed it!
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle There should indeed be acknowledgment of the fact and I am grateful you are bringing light to the topic. Thank you for the answers and likewise!
Albanian university professor Mark Markou: “The double-headed eagle on our flag is Byzantine, it does not represent us”
Only if you are Tourkalvanos. Arvanites respect that symbol because is the symbol of the lost Empire
The Albanian flag is of pagan origin.
@@AhnenerbeDE "He adopted the similar BYZANTINE imperial flag, with the double-headed eagle and the red background, and his victories brought him the papal title Athleta Christi.[5]" wiki/Flag_of_Albania
@@vangelisskia214 The emblem mostly associated with the Byzantine Empire is the double-headed eagle. It is not of Byzantine invention, but a traditional Anatolian motif dating to Hittite times, and the Byzantines themselves only used it in the last centuries of the Empire.[11][12] The date of its adoption by the Byzantines has been hotly debated by scholars You stole it from the turks bruh
@@panosk8805🫵 Caucasian Pontic Greek south Russia
Propaganda at its finest...Albanians sided with Turks and killed Arvanites and now you claim them?? No,Albanians has nothing to do with Greece and Arvanites are Greeks.
So what Ottoman Albanians also fought against Albania and his independence! Ottoman Empire! Albanians became Slaves of this Empire! No Albanian Education and Byzantine Church that had Autonomy didn’t accept an Albanian Church officially! It was a fight against Albanian Ethnicity from all sides ! South Slavs didn’t accept Albanian Christians that sided with them they destroyed them later like Greece also did ! Arvanites spoke Albanian but today it became taboo to speak about them and their ethnicity in Greece! It’s not the fault of Greek people you became also victims of the chauvinistic Megali Idee!
Arvanites are Albanian
@@katerinatsoliakou235 i like your albanian surname 🤣🤣🤣
@@katerinatsoliakou235 Ζητημα να καταλαβες το σχολιο μου.
I’m the proof that you’re an ignorant liar. My grandfather it’s from Souli. And I’m proudly orthodox Albanian. Since you stated Albanians killed Arvanites which Arvanites my ancestors killed?
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E vlerësoj pa masë që ju pëlqeu videoja. Faleminderit shumë! Respekt
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle me fal Kam 1 pyetje gjithe keto video i keni me prova te verteta Jo te degjuara
@@samed-ev2fx Kërkoj falje për përgjigjen e vonuar. Çdo video që kam bërë kam bërë kërkime të thelluara nga libra si në këtë rast nga Arben P. Lalla, kam kontrolluar faktet të gjithë librat që kam blerë vetëm për t'iu afruar të vërtetës. Unë nuk pretendoj se jam një historian i trajnuar ndaj jam plotësisht i vetëdijshëm se në disa raste ndoshta kam humbur data, emra të vërtetë por asnjëherë për të shtrembëruar të vërtetën.
The name of the song in the end?
'O moj e bukura Arberi'
Moj a bukuri moree
Whats the name of the song that starts in 4:50?
Moj e bukur Arbëri
The same song is also at the end of the video by Ilir Shaqiri
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle falemderit, amazing video also
Më vjen mirë që ju pëlqeu videoja! Përshëndetje të përzemërta!
"Petros Karolidis... tried, as he writes in his related thesis (Hellinismos magazine, year 1904 p. 176-183), to speak in Greek to an old resident in Piana dei Greci, but he realized that she only knew Arvanitika, and he told this to the Italian who recommended her to him. 'The good presbyter, as soon as she heard me say that her language was not mainly Greek, protested, indignantly exclaimed: IO SONO propria GRECA-I AM a genuine GREEK'."' From the classic book by the Arvanitis Kostas Mpiris "Arvanites, The Dorians of modern Hellenism" (p. 328)
They referred as "greeks" only cuz they were of orthodox religion, that is why even the place was named "Piana dei Greci". Today is names Piana degli Albanesi, Arberesh call it Hora e Arberesheve. They were never greeks but orthodox Albanians.
@@erigreca3297 Mpiris was a Greek Arvanitis and a scholar and this particular book is considered one of the best on the subject. With the specific real episode he describes, as well as with many other sources he uses, he demonstrates that the orthodox Arvanites clearly had a Greek consciousness. The Arberesh who migrated to Italy mainly from Morea also had Greek conscience until Mussolini's regime. In Greece this of course never changed, while in Italy and Albania, through merciless state propaganda over the last hundred years or so they managed to slowly make their descendants believe that they are the same as the Sqipetars...
@@erigreca3297 It's plain wrong to actually believe that people with different religions had a common culture and identity in pre-modern non-secular societies. In fact, common religion was a hugely important denominator of ethno-cultural identity in such societies. Anthony D. Smith, the leading expert in Nationality and Ethnicity studies himself has repeatedly stressed in his work the fact that in pre-modern societies people with different religions could never have a common identity, even when they spoke a similar dialect. Have in mind that most people in the Balkans during the Ottoman era were bilingual or even trilingual. Nowadays that religion is not all that important, not only to Albanians but to over 50% percent of all Europeans and the notions of modern "nation" do not include religion as a basic component for the indication of ethnic or national identity, it's easy for Albanian "historians" to turn black into white and try to propagandize for a pre-existing common Albanian ethnic identity. But in pre-modern societies religion was one of the core components for ethnic identification. Identities until around 200 years ago or so, were a mix of ethno-cultural and religious identities. The Arvanites and the Arberesh NEVER- EVER self-identified as Sqipetars. On the other hand the muslim and catholic Sqipetars also wanted to disassociate themselves from the orthodox Arvanites who always had a Greek ethno-religious conscience. Btw, 1/3 of Arvanitika vocabulary is Greek-derived. Arberesh language also has a considerable percentage of Greek-derived vocabulary. In Arberesh language: "village" is hora from the GREEK χώρα [chóra] ('land, village') gjitonia "neighbourhood", from the GREEK γειτονία. dhaskal "teacher", from the GREEK δάσκαλος. "thank you" is haristís [xaɾiˈstis] from the GREEK ευχαριστώ [e̞fˌxariˈsto̞] ('thank you'). By the way, in Arvanitika its fharistisem. Different but again Greek derived.
@@erigreca3297 Schmitt, one of the most acknowledged modern expert scholars on Albanian studies, has repeatedly stated that in the past "Albanian" was simply a generic term and didn't always necessarily refer to the speakers of Albanian dialects but even to Greek-speakers or Vlach-speakers that resided in the geographic area of Arvanon. Later it even referred to mercenary corps or mountain people regardless of ethnicity. "The ethnonym "Albanian", where it is found in medieval sources, has one of the following meanings: a) Someone who speaks Albanian, b) someone from the geographical area of Albania, REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE SPOKEN, and c) a man of the mountains and the countryside." Schmitt Jens Oliver (2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan, pp. 353, 354 "We remark that the term "Albanian" is NOT AN ETHNIC qualification but, as the terms "Zouave" and "Dragon", is used as GENERIC to certain corps of infantry, formations of mercenaries recruited among Christians of Turkey. The Albanian Regiments were used also by the Italians and the French". Bode, Andreas (1975). «Albaner und Griechen als Kolonisten in Neurussland"», Beitrage zur Kenntnis Sudosteuropas und des Nahen Orients, Munchen, vol. 16 (1975), pp. 29-35
@@vangelisskia214 The Arberesh also has greek conscience until Mussolini's regime" . What an anonimable statement from you and from Mpiris and his Absolutely Rubbish book. First of all Arvanites did not have any greek conscience until the beginning of XX when the greek state was trying to do everything just de-albanize them. Arvanites spoke Albanian, had the same exact Tribal Society as that of the Albanians. As for the Arberesh, now I will break down your fairytales and those of this so called Mpiris, just with ONE EXAMPLE. Quote from the great Arberesh, Francesco Crispi to Girolamo De Rada, another great Arberesh (Francesko Kryeshpi, Kryeshpi means HeadHouse) *Albanese di Sangue e di Cuore* Do you know what It means? It means ALBANIAN BY BLOOD AND BY HEART! Do you know when he was born ? Year 1818 !
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As an Arvanite it was a result of migration due to gjin spatas migration into southern Epirus finally settling in the Peloponnese region in the 12th-13th century
the most hidden fact from modern Greek history is that the Arvanites are autochthonous in Greece up to the Peloponnese or More since ancient times, regardless of the waves of emigration that came from Albania. the Greek term is romios, it is an artificial language, it is Orthodoxy. there is no Greek race
@@mikaelfire6056 Artificial language ? Damn I guess all the ancient greek and byzantine greek texts must be fake then. By the way do not speak for what you don't know. Romios is the greek word for Rum (what the turks called the Greeks when they invaded Anatolia)
@audyssea no the Greeks called themselves romio after Roman's. So how are modern Greeks, hellenes if they themselves said they were Roman's? Just askin
@@hloi4545 y'all really seem to like trasktalking on things you do not know much. When you say "after romans" i suppose you uncultured swine mean after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The inhabitants of Eastern Roman Empire (called Byzantium from the 18th century), were à mix of Albanians, Hellenes, Slavs (Bulgars, Serbs, etc...) and all called themselves Rum (Romaoi in Greek) since they considered themselves the legitimate descedents of the Roman Empire (look up the division of the Empire on the internet it is too long to explain). Now the modern balkan states aren't based on their religion (as the dumbass who commented earlier said), otherwise we would have a single orthodox country called Romania (or smth like that). The modern balkanique states base themselves on the linguistic, cultural, and historic specificities. The reason why modern day historians try to prove their legitimacy over the others is because they are corrupted in their normally objective work by nationalistic believes. Now for the case of Greece, the reason why some shortminded self-learning "historians" (bloggers) have the nerve of saying stuff like "Greek is an artificial language" (despite centuries of written evidence) is because their is a global misunderstanding between "byzantium" (which was a Greek led multi-ethnic Empire) but based on religion, and modern Greece
Arvanites didn’t migrate! Tosk and Gheg migrated, arvanites where already there ! Made up propaganda from Modern Greece
I have worked on Greece on 1993- 1997 I have meet many old generation speak Albanian Language I worked Larissa and other Cities. Now lost the language because young generation learning Greek language on Schools and forgot the real historical truth.
Hey brother! Could you please maybe look up famous albanians who rules during and under the ottoman empire? Like maybe do a breakdown on how the system with the janissary's worked? The Vizirs, the rules and creators of the modern egypt etc? Te lumt vlla, flm shum!
Too much advertising. Who was Prof. Markos Bocari from Queensland? I can't find this person in the Internet.
Bocaris in Greece are Greeks, but I had one professor in University in Tirana, Albania with last name Bocari who is 100% Albanian, his family originating from the Paramythia/Souli region in today's Greece.
@@HK-pp9ig How an Albanian will originate from paramythia what paramythia or durres or pogradec etc mean in albanian?
@@dggmn2109 Albanians did not originate from Paramythia. Albanians originated from what is today central Albania; Albanopolis is not far from Tirane. Albanians are believed to originate from Illyrian tribes that lived along the eastern Adriatic coast, and as far east as Scupi (Slavic Skopje) and north-east Naissus in Serbia. While many other Illyrian tribes became Slavicized from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and western Serbia, some mountainous tribes survived the Slavization. Pogradec most likely is a Bulgarian toponym, while Durres derived from Epidamnos/Durrahyon - an old Greek colony. Macedonia and Epirus were the outliers of ancient Greek world only accepted into the Greek world after Alexander the Great took Epirus and entire Greece under his rule; this Greek antiquity ended in 146 BC with Rome conquering Greece. Thracians and other tribes outside Greece were Slavicized, while some other areas became Latinized (Romania). From 146 BC Greeks lost their prominence in the region, and were called Romans (due to Eastern roman Empire ruling from Buzantium/ Constantinople) until early 19th century. Romans expanded Epirus from the northern border defined by Aosa river to include Durres (Durrahyon) and as north as bordering Republic of Venice in Lissus and Scutari. Old Albanians in Athens and other parts of Old Greece migrated south from Albanopolis and other Arbanon areas due to Slavic massive migration in southeast Europe. They were Greek Orthodox in religion but spoke Albanian language. Arvanite today is listed as an Albanian Language, no relationship to Greek. Just like Arberesh in Italy is a Medieval Albanian dialect. Greek lands and Albanian lands from 9th cantury until 14th century were ruled by Slavic rulers from Bulgaria, Serbia, and then again Bulgaria. Slavic migration penetrated Greece as deep as vast ereas of Epirus, along with other tribes, especially Aromanians (Vlahs).
Arvanites were Albanian orthodox and have a rich and long history. Sad that Greeks didn’t give them their merit.
Arvanites were Albanian orthodox. And they were forced by Greek Regime to forget their ethnicity and become Greek. Pontic Greeks of Anatolia came in 1922 to Greece and so they took lands of many albanian orthodox.
@@markosbotsaris32 historically proven? Got any sources that say Arvanites aren't Albanian? Arvanites are proud of their Greek homeland, and they're also proud of their Albanian heritage. I know a group of Arvanites in Athens, they know their roots. Albanians and Greeks are brothers, divided by delusions from both sides. 🇦🇱🤝🏻🇬🇷
@έτερος εγω I know several arvanites in Athens, they know their Albanian origins, but they are also proud of their Greek homeland.
@έτερος εγω Italy attacked Albania first, don't forget, Albanian partizans helped Greece against Italy and the Nazis. Yes, Chams were war criminals and Nazi collaborators, but Albanians and Greeks fought side by side. Remember when King Otto went to Greece and found out there were llots of people speaking Albanian? We are brother peoples, DNA tests can't even detect a major difference between Albanian and Greek DNA, that's why Greek, Albanian and South Italian are all one in the same. Arvanites are Greek and Albanians, and yes, they are lions.
@έτερος εγω My grandfather was only 5 years old then. My great-grandfather was a partisan in north Macedonia, fighting against the Nazis and Slavs.
"There were no noticeable Albanian - speaking communities in the cities of the Albanian coast throughout the Middle Ages. Durrës was inhabited by the Venetians, Greeks, Jews, and Slavs; Shkodra by the Venetians and Slavs; and Vlora by the Byzantine Greeks. Names of towns and rivers in Albania, always a good indicator of settlement patterns, are to a surprising extent Slavic. It is thought that a considerable proportion of the Albanians had already been assimilated by the eve of the Turkish invasion." Robert Elsie - Historical Dictionary of Albania 2010 , 2nd Edition 20 : 44/40 : 17- Documents About Skanderbeg > Was Skanderbeg ? Factual Data Exposes The Hidden Truth
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The Arvanites are a big part of Greek history but I wouldn’t call them founders. The Filiki Eteria, Greek Elite of the Ottoman Empire, Maniates, Cretans, Ali Pasha’s Greco-Albanian state and so many were responsible for the revolution so we can’t have one group seen as the founders. Let’s also not forget intellectuals and the Greeks who were merchants and also in foreign militaries who pushed for the revolution. The Arvanites were our amazing fighters but they weren’t the only ones.
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@@ChildrenOfTheEagle 🤣🤣love how you point him towards the facts without saying nothing...love it . Epic.
@@thorgunderson-theswede86 what facts?that's just propaganda
@@user-mf6rq9cp5z You are the one who is believing in lies but you don’t see it since you are blind. Open your eyes.
@@user-mf6rq9cp5z Ha! The same ORTHODOX mentality as your “BRATHERS” (Serbs) as you guys say in Greece. Propaganda is ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that calls you out on your bullshit. Ohhhhhhh Grekos, you’ve been brainwaaaaaaasssssshhhhhhhhheeeeeeddddddd. WAAAAAAAKKKKKKKEEEEEEEE UPPPPPPPP.
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Bravo bravo të lumtë për punë e pa lodhur për vendin që duam, edhe për vendin që na është vjedhur nga greqia në bashpunim me rusinë edhe francë, anglinë..
The docu conveniently forgot that the Turks settled a lot of Albanians in Greece after various revolts. ..to dilute the Greek element. Also ..most Albanians converted to Islam out of fear ..Greeks didn't. Not so brave after all.
„Most Albaniand converted to Islam out of fear….Greek didn’t“ You know we have about 300 Revolts against the Ottomans ( without Arvanites). Please show me 1 Revolt of thue great Greeks ( no Arvanites revolt! ), there is only one the Orlov 🇷🇺🇬🇷! You don’t know that the Greeks and Slavs where protected by the Byzantine Church ( ruled from Russia ) ? You don’t know that the Byzantine Church didn’t accept the Albanian Church?? Why ?? Our Land men !
Albanians converted into islam almost 300 years after their country fell to the ottomans. Albanians made the most stubborn resistance against ottomans. Why did they convert to islam? Because there wasn't an albanian church. The orthodox churches started to manipulate albanians trying to covert them to greeks or serbs (like they did with arvanites). Threatened by this, albanians decided to convert to islam in order to preserve their identity as albanians.
You have Kapodistrias as an Arvanite, which is the focus of this video, however he wasn’t. His paternal family originated in Slovenia and emigrated to Corfu in the 13th century, becoming fully hellenised, converting to orthodoxy and hellénising their name. His maternal family originated from Cyprus, moved to Crete following the Ottoman invasion and then settling in Epirus. You realise that doesn’t mean he is an Arvanite right?
He is. Their original surname was Gjika which is a typical surname only found in Albania (typical for the Vlora area).
@@albarmy1 what are your sources?
@@paulturner9542 he is blood related to Dora D'Istria. Capodistria means chief of Istria which is the peninsula on northern Adriatic sea between Croatia and Slovenia. Greeks do recognise that fact but they do not mention that their original surname was Gjika or Gikas (in greek language) and they were albanians. A branch of this family moved towards Macedonia and later to Romania where they became powerful noble family which had many prime ministers and voivodes. It' is sad that you guys don't know these facts but you only get brainwashed by the fascist greek state. Even some greek historians have accepted that his family did not originate from Corfu but rather in mainland southern Albania.
@@albarmy1 Kapodistria family was of Italian lombarde origin and got the Surname Istria beacuse they ruled the city of Istria. WHAT KIND OF FAIRYTALES DO THEY TEACH YOU IN ALBANIA?
@@Dynamo_Kyiv_Fans_Peristeriou this is exactly what I'm saying, except that he is of no italian but rather albanian origins. it's ok from greek to italian, you are one step closer to the truth. it's hard to realise when you have been brainwashed since kid by the verified neo-nazi state of Greece. Have you taught history in Golden Dawn's University or what? :D
Goosebumps😍😍 Proud about my arvanit brothers and sisters ❤️❤️ hopefully the Greeks one day will accept the truth and see that we have more in common than we have differences
Hopefully the Albanians one day will accept the same truth as well...
The only truth is that some Albanians are Islamised or communist greeks (some of which are Arvanite greeks) and some Islamised or communized slavs/tartars. There was no "Albania". The scoundrels of these nations joined to make a new country in 1912
What truth?? the truth albanians killed Arvanites? The truth that Arvanites dont consider themselves as albanians?
Arvanites language? Greek! So other thing albanians and other arvanites
@@oceansblue2😂😂😂
Ar‘bon, Ar’bër, Ar‘ban= Fara e Arit(Floririt) Shqipetar= Shqiponj e Arit. Fara jon ësht Ari‘ane
Shqip-far. Fara shqiponje.
ahahahaahah ja ke qr. Shqip'kar do thoja une
@@Zinimust arvan,van ne ar,ar van......shqip tar,tara shqiponj,e gjitha shqiponj....shqip te tar,te gjith
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I watched the entire documentary and to be honest this documentary confused me. At the beginning I thought it was going to talk about the Arvanites, their contributions to building a Greek nationhood But it changed into something different. I am a proud Arvanite Greek but honestly this is quite a pro Albanian propagandist documentary. You are using the Arvanites to push a pro Albanian narrative. I didn't like that. But I guess this is a children of the eagle channel. Respectfully, an Arvanite Greek.
What albanian propaganda, only historical facts. We are ok with you being a pround greek unless you start pulling out some ahistorical fabbrication about the origine of arvanites and their language. Like they were greeks from northen epiros or some pelasgian crap or Aliens from sirius.
thats exactly what he meant @@lekdukaxhini3392 nationalistic propaganda... yes Arvanites are and were greek form ancient times... even if you dont like it... what you dont like even more is that you might have also genetically a big connection to greeks...
They are anthropologically and traditionally Doric Greeks from Arvana, anthropologically. Arbanon have never been Shqipetar, this is a literal communist creation.
"It has been reported that at the end of the 20th century some Christian Albanians still used the term "TURK" to refer to Muslim Albanians." Matvey Lomonosov, "On Albanian Identity in the Late Ottoman Empire", Porta Balkanica, vol. 5, 2013, p.12
Yeah that is true it was a religions separation and not a race one . Greek was a title it was not a nation . The difference is you guys have more races in your than we do .
Ottoman Empire tried to suppress Albanian national identity. Schools in Albanians weren’t allowed. Who taught Albanian was harshly punished. They couldn’t let the most fierce people identify to flourish. It would translate in trouble for them. They draw an equating line like Muslim=turk. Orthodox=greek. Greek schools were widely allowed and Greek priests as well. Which benefited greatly to Greeks to assimilate non Greeks and to manufacture “brand new Greeks”. You carrying same mindset. I’m Orthodox Albanian from Souli and I’m Albanian. So national identity has nothing to do with religious affiliation. So take that turk label and shove it down right there where the sun never shines.
@@mindmazetitanYou are Alpinid, Dinarid, Mediterranid mixed.. we are predominantly Mediterranid Aegeans, followed by Pontid.
@@mindmazetitan Greek is an identity, based on a particular ethnos who's predominantly neolithic Aegean and hold an Hellenic common culture, millenary identity.
@@hellenicnationalism7608 Using a term like alpinid is saying you are a European.. that is very vague . Is no doubt that ancient Greeks existed and some of them have the same ancestors with today's Greek but with the time of Byzantine, Roman and Turkish empire things changed and when Greece was formulated was made upon religion. To be a orthodox was the number 1 criteria, and not your race . For example Arvanites were the same race as Albanians but since they were orthodox you guys become one nation . Ofc you have also Slavs and Turkish . When it come to Albanians our thing was the race and the language not the religion . The big powers didn't want us to be a nation since it was not one religion and it was a mixture and many Christian Albanians said if it takes us to drop our religion to be a nation with our Muslim brothers we will do so . The concept of religion and culture was how almost all countries got created except a few like Albania Finland and few more that I don't recall. Look it up make your own research I am not a nationalist. Greeks and Albanians we share more similarities than differences
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This doc taught me to be careful. Even today it's impossible to find greek speaking people in Athens, if one try ancient greek and use erasmian pronouciation. ;) Second, all cultures of the former ottoman empire had similarities in clothing, music, food. (Even today) BUT: my greatest respect and admiration to the albanian people. I'm happy to have many friends from there, great people!!
That's because Erasmian pronunciation is a dated artificial reconstruction of (Ancient) Greek made by a 16th century western scholar. As such, it sounds from inaccurate to laughable to Greek ears. See kzhead.info/sun/dbOqlNaPo4Rqeq8/bejne.html regarding one of Erasmus' major reconstruction errors, which also includes information on modern (Ancient) Greek language reconstruction and an explanation of how Ancient Greek pronunciation evolved into Modern Greek pronunciation through the Koine.
"This model is not applicable for the case of Albania, as the Albanian ‘nation’ is a modern phenomenon that dates only to the beginning of the twentieth century." Perparim Xhaferi, 2019 "Albanian National Identity in the twenty-first century: Escaping from the Ottoman heritage?", University of Sydney
Albanian Awakening, rilindja, leaders such as Papa Kristo Negovani - a priest who taught Albanian in his church - and Pandeli Sotiri, who although he graduated in Greece, contributed to the propagation of the Albanian language, were both killed by the Orthodox Church as they defied both the Porte and the Greek Patriarchate. Nice cherry picking, you mind you I pick up some other of his quotes, oh yeah feeling stupid now ?
Its like you did not even listen to the documentary.
@@rronlila988 "documentary"? 🤣This is plain prpogando in its clearest and worst form. This narrative can easily be dismantled by the use of countless real reliable international expert sources. This is a version of history believed only by Albanians and nobody else in the whole world.
@@claudiiusmaximus652Albanian is a modern, simple, fabricated and borrowed language.
@@hellenicnationalism7608 all nations from balkans are modern after the fall of the ottomans, started from your country, with the help of aromanian and albanian (being the vast majority in peloponese and other regions since the middle ages, there are sources to attest this btw) not to mentions those russians and englishman and the german king who ruled you, no greeks helped us to become independant in fact your were undermining our very existence because of your sh.tty myths and religion from your deluded church whom became a cia hotbed after ww2, then you brought anatolians from turkey from which most of them did not even called themselves greeks but rum (mostly related to georgians and armenians so actually from caucasia) today im looking forward after 1 century, descendant of the nba giannis will claim being the original sparta, your a laughing stock just stop
Hopefully one day i will have a friend that is interested in history that will listen to me when i talk about my country culture,tradion, history language and be fantatized by it,i want to show the entire world the history of my country everyone should know who we are🇦🇱🦅🏴☦️✝️
The real name of Skourtaniotis was Gatsis. It was customary in those years when someone fought against the Turks and distinguished himself for his bravery, to give him the name of the village he came from.
so why did They killed albanians wiTh firsT chance no fairyTales
Due to religious conflicts stirred up by the greek church.
Arvanites will always be Albanians no matter what the Greek government does!
Most of Arnavites lost their identity language and become greek nowadays they think they are descendant of spartans
@@selimsahkulu78 their Albanian origin is a fact, and yes many lost their identity but thats a different thing.
@@user-db8ht2hg9k 🤦🏼♀️
Lol no. During the Ottoman empire the albanians were killing the arvanites because they were Christian Orthodox and now you want them to be albanians? Too late.
@@dekenlst everyone was fighting everyone, educate yourself!
This video made me so proud of our (Greek) Arvanite heroes. Who left such an impression on all who came to know them. Now, what happened to the Arvanites in Albania?
They didnt exist, they were arvanites in greece, no albanian would call his brethen arvanite but shqiptar, greeks call them arvanites and turks calls them arnaut, the main difference is turks accept arnaut are not their known even tho they fought for them contrary to greeks who still keep this negationism shit
@@claudiiusmaximus652 We Greeks should celebrate and protect Albanians and Albanian culture and not erase it. Many of us may not know how Albanian our ancestors were
Arvanites from Albania stayed true to themself and didnt sacrifice their life, their language and their culture to a state that hates them and try everything go erase them...
We Greeks never tried to erase the Albanians. But the Turks tried. They wanted to make them Turks by force as they tried to make the Greeks, and the Armenians and the Kurds and many others. And unfortunately for us Greeks , the Albanian governments, instead of being friendly to Greece, are friendly to Turkey. They forget that Greece gave shelter and work to thousands of Albanians, in a period when the Greeks are also having a hard time.
@@user-ot3lw1ze9m albanians saved your ass from the turks what are you tslking about
Ju lumshin duart 👏👏👏
Nobody liberate Greece except the Greeks themselves .
good joke 😂
Arbanites are not even the founders of Albania.
So an Albanian tribe revolt against the ottomans but then they choose to speak Greek instead of their already spoken Albanian language. They even introduce themselves as descendants of Leonidas of Sparta and Pericles.
What make you think that Albanians wanted to learn Greek ??? Maybe they had to because their language got „banned“from Greece from the ottomans from Southslavs and even from Byzantine church (🇷🇺) their church got never accepted as a Albanian even the superpowers that also created modern Greece didn’t accept it, our language is Nationality and they were once proud to dominate the streets in their language
@Arber-4673 was banned but anyone in Greek peninsula spoke albanian as you claim? 🤣 You are so messed up. It's OK if Albanians don't have a great history or culture. Most countries in the world don't. You can create one though! Stop stealing
@@romanb5903 when you forcefully impose a foreign language and assimilated ethnic minorities what do you think happens? It's true that the orthodox church banned Albanian language and its stated written fact. Whether you choose to believe so it's up to you while living in your Greek nationalist bubble.
It wasn't banned, as Arbanites were speaking Doric Greek, 1/3 of Arbanitika is Doric, the rest is Vlach, Arbanites were albanized during the communism ( the creator of Albania ), but still preserved this 1/3 of Doric Greek lexicals. The Greek language was banned over there, otherwise every single town in Albania and most regiona would have preserved their Greek original placenames and Arbanitika be fully Doric Greek.
Let’s do everybody in the Balkan’s the DNA test to see the blood line of everyone and stop fighting to each other because we’re one bloodline. Let the governments to do the fightings . Love the documentary and I shered already to my friends. Respect from a proud Vlonjat Albanian Live in Toronto
Thank you so very much for sharing my video's. ☝️🩸
Faleminderit juve qe mbani gjalle Shqiptarizmin per ne dhe paseardhesit tane, dhe me vjen shum keq qe vendi yne eshte katandisur ashtu…. Dhe femijet tane( te cilet ne jemi krenar) kontibutojme ne shkence, art inxhinieri neper cepat e botes dhe jo ne Shqiperine tone te lodhur nga dhimbjet dhe vuajtjet neper shekuj. Por kemi faj edhe ne prindrit e tyre qe me te pare veshtiresite e para me > is mbathem per mos tu kthyer me kurre por vec per pushime . Duhet te kishim ndenjur dhe te kundershtonim rregjimet e korruptuara ne Shqiperi pa perjashtim njgjyrre apo krahu. Me dalni per emocionet. Me gjith shpirt ju uroj suksese pa fund.
We have. Greeks are ethnically Greeks and not Albanians.
If you do that half Balkans will find that are greeks😅😅😅
"Many Arvanites find the designation "Albanians" OFFENSIVE as THEY IDENTIFY NATIONALLY AND ETHNICALLY AS GREEKS AND NOT ALBANIANS. Arvanitis respondents IMIR's team spoke with, talked about Albanians WITH DISGUST..." Hajdinjak Marko (2005). Don't want to live with them, can't afford to live without them: Albanian labor migration in Greece Archived 2015-07-01 at the Wayback Machine. Academic paper. International Center for Minority Studies and Intercultural Relations (IMIR). pp. 8-9.
Whether your Greek ultranationalist ego likes it or not. Arvanites are ethnically Albanian, sorry 😂
thats because their grandparents were denied the privilege to celebrate the fact that they were albanians , classic greek tactic like you did with us in the 90s , i was a kid who got baptised changed his name and got shamed and ridiculed by the greek society for being albanian , it took me a lot of effort and years of psychological pain to change that narrative and forgive you also , i remember i used to pretend to be greek and i m disgusted with myself , also forgave myself in the process and there are albanians who still dont accept the fact that they are albanians who still go out in the society with their greek names and who still are ashamed to even speak albanian on the street - so dont tell me about the great grand kids of these albanians . it looks and sounds similar like the great grand kids of the arvanitas my friend . Like the turks did with greeks in constantinopole ,greeks did with arvanitas , if you wanna stay in greece you will be a greek and not albanian - turks said to greeks the same , if you wanna stay convert to muslim and become turk or leave :) life my friend life :)
@@numero-_-uno You are a Sqipetar and not an Arvanitis. These are two very different things. Albanophonia alone meant nothing at those times. There was not such a thing as Albanian-Sqipetar ethnic conscience until the early 20th century. A very large number of people all over the Balkans were bilingual or even trilingual. All residents of what is now south Albania who were Orthodox Christians, no matter whether they spoke Greek or Albanian in their everyday lives (they most probably spoke both), every Sunday went to the church and heard the Greek-speaking mass and were considered "Greeks"or "Romioi" by themselves and by all others, even by the non orthodox muslim and catholic Albanian speakers. Muslims self-identified as Turks. Only the few Catholics of the north started having some sort of a separate Latin identity during the Middle Ages, but again mostly based on their religious distinctiveness from other neighboring populations and later with the Ottoman conquest of the area and the huge conversion rate to Islam even there it atoned and disappeared.
@@numero-_-uno The ethnic identities of the people in pre-modern societies did not depend simply on a similar dialect. As a matter of fact this was the less important component of ethnic consciousness. The Sqipetars who also mixed with other muslims, never called themselves Arvanites. The Arvanites never considered themselves as "Sqipetars" or "Albanians" in the modern sense. Arvanites and Sqipetar are two totally different groups of people for at least the past 400 years. Btw 1/3 of Arvanitika dialect vocabulary is Greek-derived. Even modern Sqip language has a considerable percentage of Greek-derived vocabulary but of course not as much as the Arvanitika.
@@numero-_-uno The Arvanites identified as Greeks not only nationally but also ethnically. Arvanites never - ever self-identified as Sqipetars. Most Russian(first language)-speaking Ukrainians identify both nationally and ethnically as Ukrainians and not as Russians and they are actually in a war with Russia in case you never heard... This is a prime example that first and foremost SELF-DETERMINATION and SELF-CONSCIENCE is what defines ethnic groups. And there are countless sources in which the Arvanites identify only as Greeks and NEVER as Sqipetars.
A decent documentary but some figures and statements are incorrect. The documentary mentions for example travellers couldnt find people who speak Greek. This is incorrect. Greek was still widely spoken particularly in the cities and this was well documented. It was the dominant language of most the islands too. The Albanians too were never the dominant population in Crete as the documentary claims. They are not also descendents of the Spartans. Any historian will tell you the Spartans were Greek and its a shame the documentary doesnt present this fact. This sort of speculation of the Albanian descent came about in the Fallmeyer era of the 1800s and has been shown be incorrect (and was in fact politically motivated and not even accepted by most historians of the era). The documentary also mistakenly claims the name Fustanella is Albanian. It isnt. It is an Italian derived word. We dont know its origin. Some historians claim it originated among Illyiran tribes but the first documented use for certain was among Greek Byzantine border guards.
Fair comment and very grounded. Indeed the mini documentary had some mistakes which those who are very familiar with history and sources facts can notice the mistakes. Above all gives around 80% a very good image of that time.
I'm Proud of my Arvanites 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱 Greetings from beautiful Kosovo 🇽🇰🇦🇱
Well on the other hand we are not proud of Ottoman and Nazi worshippers during wars.
@@skeptim8096 You are acting so religious now. We are One anyways. Religion is something personal, but we can't change our Blood that we have the same. I mean if you are one of the Arvanites
@@skeptim8096 ca thot o vlla sjam mir me anglishten ca thot per arvanitet greket dhe shqiptaret,
@@skeptim8096 you’re bad blood
@@skeptim8096 Don’t mix religion to blood. Both of them aren’t the same. Remember that.
Bravo per punen
Ca thot o vlla,Si e i perkufizon,kujt i jep perparsi grekve apo shqiptarve,sjam mir me anglishten
i am from albania but this make me sick for a billions of reasons! to begin with i am proud to be from albania but there are certain thing i must not tolerate ! we know for many reasons and many years somehow other countries tried '' trying'' to shut us down in many ways but is it really that? i have studied hugely enough the persian culture and history , egyptians culture and history , romans , turkish , japonaise and so on about wars and religions , i now am a muslim therefore must spoke only but the truth . our history is darknest than it looks ,first of all we are indo-European and throughout history we know our language branches in details , starting with language the indo-european palaeo balcanic language was the first to be spoken , leaving out 2 branches the greco-albanian and the armenian one , then the greco-albanian leaves illyric and graeco-phyrgian which was the eldes greek language after the greco-albanian which is already forgotten and perish . the illyric language lead to another 2 branches the albanian one and the messapic one which this one to stopped there , now from the albanian language came tosk and geg which the geg didnt changed at all but the tosk splited in mainland tosk , arberesh and arvanitika . now this is as for the language and clearly the arvanitas by language is the last one ! now lets talk history , as i have studied the great alexander when he wents to the indian land there are some history from budhism scholars that state that they asked the alexander '' our dear greeks , please spread budhism '' and by history we know that the cow were one ''short '' worshiped in greece so this is a historical fact ! now lets see egypt , i mean just make a fast check about the history on the time of the pharaoh and you will find greeks ! now please explain to me how this is supposed to happen if the albanians really created greece . we here talking about 1to5k b.c and i am very sorry to tell but never found albania ! my ideology is that we were same people sharing same language even before illyrians ! and i have a lot to tell but i guess only those 2 points could take over the idea of arvanites founding greece and the idea of greece coming to albanians land !! jokingly we dont even have textes in albanian language more than 500 years although the bible was in greek the new testament and the old one still translated to greek first by the year 330 a.d ....... so please stop with the propaganda that we are older than them or that we found it etc etc ! albania today is full of blinded history and with that we only put ourselves shame ! peace and respect ! earth is my origin and albania is my home !
You speak truth brother, Greece and Albania needs to unite under Orthodoxy ☦️
The thing that makes me sicker is the fact that you pretend to be Albanian, it's obvious you're not. Second I know that you're smart enough to understand that he is talking about the foundation of the modern Greece, after 1821 not the ancient greece you're talking about. Third you should understand that there was no greek ethnicity during that time of history. It was artificially built with the help of great powers as a reflection of the ancient greek civilization, thus modern greek people are not related at all to ancient greek. Greek ethnicity is based on religion, byzantine orthodox religion. This is why during the early stages of the greek nation it was so easy for the greek government to classify all orthodox people as greek, despite their ethnicity. I'm an orthodox albanian myself and I like greek culture and mythology but I would never call myself a greek. Now imagine all the albanian like me back in the time where Albanian state was not created yet. Where do you think they would feel safer? In an turko albanian place controlled by ottomans or in a state that you could freely practice Christianity without being killed and tortured? Where do you think arvanited fitted? On the other hand the albanian ethnicity is blood related and tribal. Religion never united albanians. NEVER throughout history. And lastly nobody pretending Hellenes were albanians. This is Ancient history and it's another story.
@Georgio Skanderbeg so naive of you to reply in such a low spoken comment! Re-read my comment !!! First i am albanian and i am a proud albanian as i believe we have a very rich culture and history ourselves but please this is getting to much ! What orthodox byzantine u talking about ?? The Christianity came 300 years after jesus died we talking here even before jesus ! And to protect the argument with the idea of that ( they falsificated history with power ) bro even if they could have tried they could have never achieved it ! Cause to do that you have to change the history of the world not only that of greece and albania ! For the greeks you have indians you have persians you have elder civilizations such Chinese and egjyptians talking to ! And i know that very well that he is not talking about that of after 1800 ad but our historians literally keep saying that they ( greeks ) never existed! Please man - be true at least at yourself!! To us the albania is the first contry in the world ! We are the first humans on earth and our language is the oldest in the world ! And everything else is a lie and they stole it from us !!! I am convinced that we are wrong- our historians are wrong and yes for the sake of the truth of course there are certain thing that other countries took from us such as territory and wealth ! As we were full of gold ! But please dont touch the history !!!
@A Y we dont talk religion here we talk history ! As for the religion each individual have its own choice !!
@@T-bag96 o shqiptar. Nuk po them qe bota eshte shqiptare dhe jemi njerzit e pare ne planet. Jam dhe une dakord me ty qe disa historiane tik toku ja futin pordhes kot. Por nuk e permendi njeri historine antike dhe nuk e kuptoj pse duhet ta permendje kete gje pikerisht ne kete video qe skishte te bente fare me kete pjese te historise per te cilen po flasim. Por meqenese do ti futesh kesaj valleje ta garantoj qe dhe ti nuk je 100% i sakte me ato qe the me siper. Etnogjeneza e kombit shqiptar eshte formuar si bashkim i fiseve dhe kultures ilire, epirote dhe maqedonase po aq sa etnogjeneza helene eshte formuar nga kultura helene, epirote dhe maqedonase. Kemi shume te perbashketa me helenet por greket e sotem nuk jane pasardhes te heleneve. Greqia e sotme eshte mbetje e perandorise bizantine. Nuk mund te pretendosh si tenden cdo territor dhe cdo person qe flet helenisht. Helenishtja ka qene lingua franka e gjithe pellgut mesdhetar ne ate kohe. Eshte njesoj si nje italian te thote per Egjiptin qe eshte territor italian vetem se ne Egjipet ne kohen e perandorise romake flitej dhe shkruhej latinisht. Dhe mos harro qe helenishtja ka qene e vetmja gjuhe e shkruar e asaj kohe qe predaton dhe latinishten. Pretendimi i greqise se sotme qe eshte vazhdimesi e helenizmit i jep shkas dhe ja ben me t thjeshte historise greke, pervetesimin e cdo kulture dhe popullate ku gjendej gjuha e shkruajtur helene. Mos harro se helen dhe grek nuk eshte e njejta gje pavaresisht se grekeve ju leverdis qe ta perdorin kete nocion interchangeably. Te uroj gjithe te mirat dhe te sugjeroj ti maresh me pak me shume rezerva infot historike jo vetem nga historianet e tik tokut po dhe nga ata zyrtare. Edhe ate nuk jane me te mire. Te gjithe sot e marin informacionin si ju servitet, te mireqene. Por sot nje pjese e historise se ballkanit eshte e manipuluar qe ti shkoje pershtat gjeopolitikes te fuqive europiane.
I like the old Albanian song THE BEAUTIFUL MOREA 🇦🇱❤🇦🇱
"The language of the Albanians is unformed and adulterated. In many areas Italian elements have been incorporated into the language, in others Greek and in others Slavonic. Therefore Albanians who live fifty or sixty miles apart do not understand each other. In addition, there are racial differences between the Gegs who live in the wild north and the Tosks in the less rugged south. One would say that they belong to different ethnicities. And indeed this is the case. It would be easy to prove that the Albanians are not one people but half a dozen peoples." Sir John Foster Fraser, "Pictures from the Balkans", CHAPTER XXIV. THE ALBANIANS, p. 257-258)
@vangelisskia214 - That's sounds prety much acurate... Albanians are more of several tribes speaking a similar language that differs the more and more when you move outward. Albanians were one of the latest nations to join under one state -Germans did so only in 1871. I think that happened because of Albanians being fiercely independent tribes who ruled a well-defined area. Mainland Greeks were similarly, very stubborn, independent and defiant... that's why big cities emptied during the Ottoman rule, population moved up the mountains where Ottomans could not effectively reach.
Η διαφορά της γλώσσας gjegj και tosk είναι όπως η Έλληνες και η Κύπριοι δεν ήμαστε διαφορετικές φίλες 😂 ένα DNA έχουμε
@@donbrah7909 National languages are in similar ways as Albanian dialects; Greece and Cyprus, Italy and Sicilian dialect; Germans have several dialects... As for DNA, north Albanians are more of Illyrian descent mixed with other; while the south Albanians are more Pellasgian, similar to Greeks DNA. Greetings
lathos@@donbrah7909 yparxoun arketes diafores
@@HK-pp9igPelasgians are Albanian tribe. Nice try at dividing Albanians though.
Arvanites come from Arvanon, not Arber as confusingly displayed, which lies by the region west of lake Ohrid, between ancient Epirus and Macedonia. They are Epirot Greeks of ancient Doric descent as we can trace their origins back to the Aeacid dynasty and Pyrrhus. Duding the Eastern Roman Empire, Arvanite royals were rulers of Dyrrachio, defending Epirus against Norman and Slavic invaders. Attaliates and Komnini provide clear distinctions between Arvanites and Albanians, the latter believed to have come from Caucasus as they emerged invading from the north. During 10-14th Arvanites and Albanians co-lived in the area which resulted to Arvanites becoming bilingual. Following the decline of the Empire between 13-15th, Roman rulers invited Arvanites to guard their southern castles from the Ottomans since they considered them elite warriors among the Greeks. Despite that they spoke Arvanitika, Arvanites kept their Epirot traditions from their homeland Arvanon strong and intact throughout the centuries under ottoman subjugation. It should be emphasized that Arvanite vocabulary does not include the terms "Skiptar" and "Skiperia", national names of Albanians and Albania respectively. Also Arvanites were famous for their hate towards “Turkalbanians”, /since while the rest of Greeks saw them only as “traitors” and “profiteers” who had abandoned their faith and culture in favour of personal gains and privileges, Arvanites considered them foreign invaders who had grasp their indigenous lands. Arvanites are ethnic Greeks, not Albanians.
I'm a proud Greek as anyone but I also love my history. I have read historical documents from the era. Throughout the middle ages the Arvanites in Greece were referred to as Albanians (mainly). I am reading Finlays history of Greece written in the 1850s. He clearly refers to them as Albanians. The first Ottoman census in the 1400s describes them as Albanians living in the Peloponnese. Their names, language, villages were all Albanian (just like the Ancient Macedonians were Greek). It is only in the last 150 years that the name Arvanite became more widespread.
@@nicks6096 which source referred to Arvanites as Albanians?
Regarding the idiom of the word Arbër, Arvanite or Arnavut is typically specific to the Albanian language and culture. One of the earliest known references to the Albanian people can be found in an ancient Illyrian inscription from the 2nd century AD, known as the Tabula Peutingeriana, which refers to Albanoi. Sure, Michael Attaleiates did mention that the Albanians MAY have come from the region of the Caucasus Mountains, but he didn't mention when the Albanians migrated from that region. So the "Caucasus" argument is not that scientific. What is scientific however, is the studies of the genetic marker of E-v13. This DNA marker, which is found at high frequencies among Albanian populations, can easily attest to when and where the marker migrated from and where it settled. These studies have suggested that it may be linked to the spread of the Illyrian language and culture in the region during the Bronze Age, which means that Albanians are related to Illyrians by blood, language, culture and geographically.
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle The city/area of Arber has no connection either linguistic, historical or geographic with the region of Arvanon. Mount Arvon is an ancient Greek toponym and was mentioned for the first time by Polybius (203-120 BC). On the other side, Albanian historical presence in the region was first documented in the late 14th ce, which coincides with the arrival of Ottomans Turks in the Hersonissus of Haemus. The hypothesis of Illyria connection to Albanians was introduced as propaganda to the Albanians by Austro-Hungarians and Italians during the beginning of 20th ce in order to make Albania a vassal state (Mussolini 1938). Till now, there is no historical, archaeological or linguistic connection between ancient Illyrians and Albanians (even Matzinger, one of the most influential and prominent Albanologist denied this claim). As of Albanopolis, scientists still haven’t verified its location while Ptolemy has provided us with a detailed description of “Albaniae Pilae” located by the Caspian Sea in Schirvan and Derbent or Derven. Arvanites are a prime example of how Albanians conquered lands from the autochthonous Greek Epirots.
Epirote exactly, therefore ALBANIAN!
What an idiotic title. Arvanites were a minority in Greece who were of mixed Albanian /Greek heritage. They constitute about 5% of the Greek population by 1913.
You're probably right 🤥
You forgor that maniots are also albahian mani peninsula comes from the albanian word mani meaning mullbery
@@qerqiztopulli1708 Mani is a tiny region in Laconia in southern Greece, what the hell has it got to do with bloody mulberries. What Albanian peninsula?? Mani is in Greece not Albania WTF!!!!!
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse krokodelios kladas and klada family was living in mani peninsula. The castle of varduna comes from the albanian word meaning white bardhunja
@@JapanMonAmourTheJapanHouse half of morea is populated by albanian sources : george finaly the albanians
30:40 Ku e gjete kete letren? Nuk gjeta asgje ne internet. Ma dergoni pak nje link
As un nuk e gjeta letren, por burimi im është marrë nga libri i Arben P Llallës. Nëse lëvizni poshtë tek faqja 71, ai e thotë se ku e gjeti citimin e Professor Marko Botsaris të 1994. www.academia.edu/48876353/ARVANITES_THE_FOUNDERS_OF_MODERN_GREECE PS, nese e gjen letren, të lutem ma dergon një link.
@@ChildrenOfTheEagle Po e gjeta nuk do te harroj. Shum video e bukur per neve Shqiptarët emigrant qe s'kemi mësuar historinë e Arbërisë në shkoll edhe duet ti mësoim vetë. Nuk besoj si të terë ishin Shqiptar por nuk ishin edhe të terë Grek. E vërteta është gjithmonë në mest. Shpresoj se Shqiptarët edhe Grekt do behen një shtet, një popull si ishte një kohe. S'ka Shqipëri pa Grek edhe s'ka Greki pa Shqiptar.
Por nuk eshte e nevojshme sepse vete histereografia greke ne dy dokumentare zyrtar e cilesojne Makon me origjine shqiptare dhe e pranojne qe mesoi greqisht ne moshen 19 vjec.
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Deserved a Subscribe and a Like from me. I have a lot of Arvanite friends, and they feel Albanian and Greek at the same time. They knew their history and they were from Thessaloniki.
Sorry but in the Last hundred years albanians were assimilated by the greek State and forced to hate themselves. Alot of greeks have mostly albanian Heritage
Lies:)
Thank you for bringing the true history to life in a language that everybody understands ( English )
Arvanit, Albanes, Arberesh, Arbnor, Arbanas, Arnavut, Alvanos… so many ways to say it… one nation 🇦🇱🩸
Distinct meanings, languages and peoples.
This should educate some who are brainwashed. Proud of my roots. Sad that we don't get on with all of the Greeks.
E verteta vonon por saron Del me e fuqishme Ky dokumentar esht memorjal i te vertetes
Arvanites, similar to Albanians in general, were historically known for their fierce spirit in battles and often were hired as mercenaries. We should point on how much we share in common, rather than being bitter to each other. GR❤AL
My friend we are all albanians, we are the Same we share the Same blood but people gave u a different Name
@@adaradavina7450 I'm not Arvanite.
@@perseusarkouda Well doesn’t change the fact that arvanites are albanians