How This Car Does 0-100 in 0.9 Sec
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This car goes from 0-62 miles per hour in 0.956 of a second. This is the classic acceleration test, one that we all grew up using to compare cars.
A Formula 1 car will do it in about two and a half seconds, the fastest production car - a Rimac Nevera - will do it in 1.7 seconds and my trusty old VW Passat will do it in about 8.
But a group of students from AMZ Racing based at the Swiss university, ETH Zurich, made a car accelerate faster than anything else in the world - and smashed through the previous record of 1.46 seconds.
So, I spoke with Eloi Roset from AMZ Racing to understand exactly how these ambitious students approached this crazy project, what challenges they needed to overcome and how they engineered a car that accelerates more than twice as quickly as an F1 car.
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Swiss government in 1955: Let's ban motorsports for 70 years because of this horrifying crash Swiss students: Haha wanna make this bathtub into a missile?
hehe, bathtub goes "bzzzzzzzzz"
Bwaaahahahaaa
As a Swiss i can confirm that everyone has a motorized bathtub and it's the only acceptable mode of transport here
@@liamgumprecht4983 🤣
Maybe because they banned motorsports, the Swiss students failed to learn about America's National Hot Rod Association; making this a failed record attempt.
Tom Scott did this too. Looks mental! Would love to have a go
He stopped making weekly videos as it's not that easy when still on the, or over, the Moon. He loved it.
The lateral forces are about 3.5 G. Insane.
I came to comment that 😄
R.I.P. Tom Scott's channel🙏🏼
Tom Scott 😭
Formula Student - totally fantastic: you forgot PR/media, Scott - my daughter won the FS social media prize with her team and is now a driver press officer for an F1 team and is on TV every F1 race weekend.
What team may I ask?
i am from spain and did a Raclete with my friends for lunch. When they left I got this recomended. I mean... la suisse..... I have to go back there some day. Miss my relatives there.
Haha, that's awesome. And yeah, I participated in Formula SAE in 2006 and it was awesome how the team needed expertise from everywhere, even including accounting. Learning to work interdisciplinary was IMHO one of the most valuable lessons.
Top fuel dragcars do 0-60 mph in about half off this time! But this is still ridiculously impressive when you look how small it is!
I thought about this too when I first heard about the sub 1 second record they did. I think it's fair to say that top fuel dragsters are in a league of their own. While these students did optimize the hell out of that little car for straight line acceleration, it still could go around some corners like a car. Top fuel dragsters can really only go straight.
there's no comparison between this and a topfuel dragcar... wtf? completely different type of vehicle, budget, strip, students and literally everything else is different
@@Mello675 agree with all points but the budget part 💀
@@HannyDart nah, top fuel dragsters definitely have a higher budget since they have to rebuild the engines so often and also all the methanol they go through and such.
@@Mello675 It's still worth pointing out. There was a another vid that was a bit misleading about the record they broke. Doesn't take anything away from this team, though. Electric or not, glorified go-kart or not, a sub one second 0-60 is still an incredible achievement.
As a Swiss myself, I am so proud of the ETH Zurich. This record has laid down on September 2023. Also note, what a short distance they needed. Just insane engineering, well done guys and gals!
im swiss too and even from Zurich
Isnt it logical that you need a shorter distance if you accelerate faster to 100 KM/h?
The Company where i will start working at built the suspension for this absolute machine.
@@Gespannter Grüezi, demfall :)
@@thi8826 hoi zäme
A top fuel dragster accelerates to 100 mph in eight tenths of a second. Zero to 60 in about four tenths of a second.
Top fuel dragsters use tricks that you can't use for this. They use glue on the track to increase traction and tires that get bigger as they accelerate. Not using these tricks you can't accelerate past 1G. It's also why this car needed fans.
@@answeris4217 the Rimac Nevera averages 1.57g for a 1.74 second 0-60...
@@JesusTheForgiver all cars doing a 0-60 in under 2.7 sec are using tricks to get there. The standard today has a 1 foot rolling start to the metric and they do it on prepaired surfaces... The Nevera uses special tires that will likely wear out very quickly and when you replace those or even wear out that top layer of rubber you will never see that performance again. To get anything better than 1 G in acceleration you need tricks like tires that glue themselves to the road or fans that suck the car down.
And a top fuel dragster has many restrictions that keep it from being faster and quicker.
@@answeris4217what are you calling tricks? Anything that upsets your sense of sensibility?
Fantastic video! It's truly commendable how you've managed to bridge the gap between academia and the general public, making complex topics accessible and engaging. The visibility that Formula Student receives is disproportionately small considering the remarkable achievements of its participants. Although AMZ's KZhead channel offers excellent content, videos like this one that delve into the engineering challenges, presenting problems and solutions in an understandable way, are incredibly valuable and enriching.
"faster than anything else in the world" Top fuel dragster: "Lemme show y'all a little somethin'...."
Dragster is slower from 0-60 mph, which was the only purpouse of this specific design.
@@Lianpe98 Nope, top fuel dragster can do it in 0.4 seconds. In 0.8 seconds they are going 100mph.
@@Jester123ish I stand corrected
@@Lianpe98i appreciate your willingness to adjust your position once new facts came to light. But why did you argue first, then look up facts?
They use glue on the track to increase traction and have tires that increase in diameter as the car accelerates. Without any tricks it's impossible to accelerate faster than 1G.
Jim Hall and Chaparral 2J did this vacuum thing in 1970.. still works! Without rules the mind can wander freely and innovate. Jim would be amazed and proud of this team and their innovation and success.
I met Jim Hall (in the '90s) .. GM considered building a street car version of his Chaparral.. at the time, Ford built a prototype GT-90 but did later poduce the street legal GT-40.. My boss (Chuck Mountain) quit Ford todevelop the original GT-40 with Carrol Shelby.. (Kar Craft was the "kunk works)
I believe one of the driving reasons it was banned was because of the speed at which any pebbles on the track were ejected from the fan(s)...
I like that you made a program for students. I myself am an apprenticing electronics engineer and I always enjoy seeing others getting excited over science, technology and engineering. We need this kind of promoting of STEM subjects because they make cool things possible like racing or lasers.
16:26 a wild James Pumphrey appears.
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The best way to add downforce was banned by the CanAm series in the early 70's (the analogue was mentioned in the video). Electric actively sucking the car to the track. I'm still disappointing that no racing series embraced that method. I'm so enthused that these students saw the benefit of that and did all of the work needed to bring their vision to fruition. It's also good to see Citeron's work in hydraulic suspensions still being referenced in modern race cars. refrenced
I guess one of the troubles if used for cornering in a practical race, is that if the car is lifted from the ground that for any reason (debris, stone...), it looses all grip at once and goes tumbling.
I've been building up a very fast bicycle for a few years now. I know I won't set any records but I don't care, I'm building it for myself to ride on a course I've been riding regularly, having set a baseline average time. Of course bicycles don't compare to fast cars. I'm watching everything I can about aero advantages to maybe apply to my build. This little car is rad. Closest thing would be the McMurtry Speirling. Love this. One thing I've been researching is surface characteristics and their effect on wind resistance. I've built my own disc wheel covers, modified the frame to optimize rider position, wheelbase, and power delivery.
This is wild. Power to weight must be off the charts.
320HP in 180 kg, driver included
Nearly 2 to 1 , crude calculation
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 2 to 1.1?
@@redamber483 the second number in the ratio is always 1. So it would be 1.8 to 1 assuming @froz3ntree40's numbers are correct
@@milo3733 doesn't have to be. 16 to 8.8 is a perfectly viable ratio. so are 1.8 / 1 or 2 / 1.1 . they are all the same (roughly at least, after rounding). 1.8 to 1 is just normalized, it's a standard, but it isn't always applied. 1.6666666666.... to 1 for example is most commonly expressed as 5 to 3 or 5/3 because it's more accurate and also more readable.
The FIA always banning every good development has occurred in F1, oh man, as an engineer it makes me nuts.
"made a car accelerate faster than anything else in the world" What a ridiculous statement. Top Fuel walks this
those cant go around a track
@@rogerwilco1777 where was that mentioned? This hasn’t been shown to do that either and the video was about straight line acceleration.
A dragster can drive around a track, awkwardly. This cart's electronics purposely won't let it make a turn. @@rogerwilco1777
I just came to the comments to say the same thing about Top Fuel. But still, amazing achievement here.
You're right, the video should have stated the record they broke was the "fastest accelerating EV" under Guiness rules, it's the rule that makes the record. You could go even further and say that acceleration is still acceleration in any direction, so any car crashing into a tree gets more G's, 100-0 is the same as 0-100 to a physicist.
Thank you so much for covering this, I always love when bigger channels showcase what insanely cool stuff Formula Student does.
I was glad to be a part of this competition in college, The closest ive ever been to F1. The team work and engineering required for this is exceptional
did yall ignore nhra they have been doing this for decades????
same, unfortunately i only worked on the cooling system for two years before i dropped out of college and went to become CNC machinist/programmer :D but my team was nowhere near AMZ :D
Same, I did SJSU Formula in college. It's still the same size on my resume as my entire college history between two schools haha We had a lot of issues but we did make it to Comp, it was an early electric car and we had to have a "F1" car and instead we got a "F-none" Car. Still one of the best experiences of my life, as traumatizing as it was. I slept in the shop for 8 days and skipped two finals for comp, academic probation was worth it.
Great video - riveting and very informative! what an amazing achievement for the team.
I love the growth of the SAE Formula. The electric competition. I did Baja at my university since I enjoyed the wheel to wheel endurance racing more than the tine attack
Or Formula Student as everyone else calls it lol
Went to a University and and thinks time is spelled tine, got a great education.
@@ohwell2790 DAMN you must be right! We all know how engineers are universally known for being excellent communicators, and never ever making spelling errors. WOE BETIDE UNTO THE ENGINEER WHO FAILS TO SPELL CHECK WHILST @ohwell2790 IS PERCIEVING! FORGET YOUR FINITE METHODS, STRENGTH OF MATERIALS, STATICS, MECHANICS CLASSICAL AND ADVANCED! FORGET YOUR CALCULUS YOU HAVE NO HOPE FOR SUCESS! YOUR DEGREES ARE MEANGINLESS! UNTO YOU THIS WARNING I MUST IMPRESS!
FRIC First seen on the Austin Allegro in 1973 and known as hydrolastic suspension. Each displacer unit contains a rubber spring, and damping is achieved by the displaced fluid passing through rubber valves. The displaced fluid passes to the displacer of the paired wheel, thus providing a dynamic interaction between front and rear wheels. When a front wheel encounters a bump, fluid is transferred to the corresponding rear displacer, then lowers the rear wheel, hence lifting the rear, minimising pitch associated with the bump. Naturally the reverse occurs when it is a rear wheel that encounters a bump. This effect is particularly good on small cars as their shorter wheelbases are more affected by pitching.
Norton Commandoes?...
@@bryn494 Not that I know of, do you ,mean isolastic suspension? Basically rubber bushings. Hydrolastic was something completely different. Suspension units were connected via pipework. containing a special fluid that prevented rolling and pitching under cornering braking and acceleration.
I have to say i love the fact the majority of your sponsers are educational. Love your video's!
My dad’s non turbo 1985 300zx was a fast car at the time and did 0-60 in 8.3, I think. Within 10 years the turbo Volvo wagons we’re doing it in under 8 which was amazing. The Lamborghini on my wall was a v12 with 4 valves per cylinder, the Quattro valve. It did 9-60 in 5.0, I believe. Today, you can get any old car to do that. I wish we would start focusing on making light cars with 100mpg that cost very little. I’d be happy with a 2000 pound, 100hp manual car all analog that costs 8k.
Very informative, science explained very well, and a small correction in that science: lower pressure doesn't 'suck', you reduce pressure and the surrounding areas of higher pressure fill the void (like releasing the pressure on a spring, it equalizes pressure instantly, creating what appears to be a 'pull' instead of a 'push'). Excellent information and so proud of those students!
I spent part of my career making instruments to measure air pressure (at extremely low pressure... what most folks would call vacuum). I always said "vacuums don't suck; surrounding (higher pressure) air pushes". BTW, we made instruments that could accurately measure pressures as low as 0.000,000,000,001 torr (i.e. less than one trillionth of a psi)!
Swiss? Fast car? Whoa whoa whoa. That's illegal
😂😂😂, as long as it's not on public roads they are safe, for now 😉
Don't they have motorways with 120 km/h speed limit? If so, no worries 😊 The car itself is perhaps illegal on public roads, but not the speed, unless they have "too fast acceleration laws"😊
Switzerland is starting to sound like every other country
I’m glad that your videos are pointing how much science is involved in racing
Saw it live - testground/airport around the corner- 👍 up to everyone there ❤
The hydraulic connected suspension comes from Citroen from D model and 2CV 🙂
Except it doesn't? The 2CV has a big spring lying flat, but is purely mechanical (at least mine is) and the model D has no connection to work this way (at least my dad's doesn't) - the suspension is hydropneumatic, not hydraulic. It does some clever shenanigans to keep the car stable (for a car that old, that is) in acceleration, breaking and cornering - but not in the way depicted here.
great vids. waiting for the upside down video
It released 2 minutes ago-
Pp
@@Zaibstar10 4
@Zaibstar10 No, it didn't... liar.
Don't worry this guy is taking us for a ride😂😂
I genuinely feel family vibes when car guys all around the world turn their heads when they hear Spa, Zolder, Brands Hatch, Nurbs, Laguna Seca and missing V10 F1 sound. We can spend hours and hours talking about cars and racecraft and never get tired
Excellent, Scott. Proper engineering explanation, yet again.
Pumphrey making a cameo. I love it.
FSAE was the best part of my college career, and arguably more valuable than my degree.
"we need to get back to normal life"... I love that comment at the end and commend this awesome, so well calculated engineering effort and for achieving 0 to 60 mph in .9 seconds... are you kidding me! Wow!!
I've had a pleasure to visit their lab. Amazing achievement!
They may have broken the record, but everyone knows the true joy in FS competitions is when you win in Hooserball. Huge props though, saw their car running in 2021and was amazed.
Loved the Pumphrey's "more power" cut 😂 love your videos mate, keep going 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
Excellent video. Just wish I was of student age again! Good to see these challenges and solutions!
I kept waiting on something truly innovative...From a purely engineering perspective, this was an exercise in great systems engineering -- integrating existing technologies in an optimal way. Bravo to all of the students involved.
faster than anything else in the world? what about top fuel dragsters 0-100mph in .8 sec, I admire their accomplishment. I have experienced a 0-60mph in 3.0 seconds motocycle - so I can't imagine doing that in under 1 second. That is some serious G force.
0.4 seconds - Top Fuel dragster
Exactly my man there are quicker cars to 60. Tfd as you say and most drag cars. Ryan Martins fireball camaro does it 0.7 on the street and 0.5 on the strip. Both are quicker than there car
I think a strip makes all the difference
I think a strip makes all the difference
I think a strip makes all the difference
I think that's mostly down to the surface. Drag strips are pretty much coated in rubber at the launch area. I'd be interested to see how quick a TF Dragster would be on normal tarmac.
@5:30 This is interesting, because a similar strategy using fans to create downward force was used to break ground in terms of speed in international micro robotics competions.
Truly incredible out-of-the-box thinking! AMZ has built a runway to F1! 👏
Damn, thats properly fast!
I never cared about top fuel or drag racing until a friend convinced me to go watch the nationals in Indianapolis. He kept giggling when Ashley Force lined her car up to the line and I couldn't figure out why. We were mid track and all I can say is when the shock wave hits you it feels like you have been injured somehow. I thought something injured me. Your eyeballs shake and you lose clear vision. It's the closest thing to a bomb going off I can imagine. My buddy was laughing at me because he knew. That is burned into my memory forever. They also let you walk right up to the cars when they set the clutches and they wear gas masks but there's a game to see how close you can get before you can't handle the nitro in your face.
I was a startline photographer at Shakespeare County Raceway (sadly lost to housing) for years and stood behind multi-thousand horsepower cars as they left the line. But I'd never stood next to a nitro funny car or dragster. I've just come back from the NHRA Gatornationals, not on the startline, watching from the stands. When the first nitro funny cars came out, I was prepared for the burnout. When they left at the green light, I jumped off the seat, the noise seemed to make the stands shake, let alone my insides. For the next dozen or so green lights with the nitro cars, I knew exactly what was coming, but still I could not stop an involuntary jerk at the total assault on the senses. I finally got used to it and got great photos. Any motor sport lover must go to see drag racing at least once.
On of my colleagues used to work on a formula student team. It’s a great project for future engineers
A great insight, cheers.
I thought it was 0-100mph in .9 seconds. I was like holy crap those are top fuel drag numbers then I realized, it was to 62mph. Still wildly impressive.
Yeah, as soon as he said "no rules" I wondered why they just didn't go grab a top fuel car and do a few hits lol.
I wonder as well if there is some kind of regulation on drag racing cars, that prohibit the aplication of the underpressure skirts instead ot aerodynamic aids. Looks like it is a big weight advantage to have the skirt.
I was wondering about that too. In terms of high level drag racing, sub 1 second 0-60s are far from unheard of. My guess is that the caveat here is that they're launching on an unprepared surface.
@@bongwaterbojack unprepped surface on drag slicks. I'd be interested to see what it would do on regular radials.
Top Fuel does it in about 0.4 seconds.
Pretty impressive!! I think a top fuel dragster is around 0.4 sec.
@@rogerwilco1777 This one can't either. It was specifically modified to go as straight as possible and for one time only.
@@rogerwilco1777what's your point! The car was designed to do 0 to 60 in the shortest amount out time, no go around corners. F1 are designed to go around corners.
Great vid as always scott 👍👍
So cool. Probably learned more about cars in this video than I have in a long time.
Great video. I think you did an excellent job of explaining the challenges, and the solutions.
I am a part od WUT FS team and a lot of people dont really understand how much work we put in to make the car better and better
all the good engineers do get it. Don't get frustrated about lack of a verbal expression of aknowlegement ;). The first thing you know as an engineer - the number of final iterations can get simengly endless high. The second - you have to make cut at some point, compromise. And the last - dond blab about it, until you have something to present ;) all the best in your future indevors.
did yall ignore nhra they have been doing this for decades????
Great job. Dont forget a Top Fuel dragster does this in half the time. Brute force.
Seeing the John Player Special formula 1 car brought back many memories... I had a laminated poster of one on my wall during my time in England as a kid in the mid '70s. My father took me to a Formula 1 Grand Prix at Brands Hatch. Though, the race was paused due to rain, I still saw an awesome race. There was a car that left the track and launched into the outer fence directly in front of where I was standing behind the inner fence. I also got a Black JPS T-Shirt and a "Goodyear Tyres" miniature blimp.. afterwards he custom built a formula 1 style "Go-Kart" with a motorcycle engine. However, after it was done, he realized how insanely fast it was, and I really didn't get to drive it...
I also have a laminated John player special poster the size of a large platemat from Detroit Michigan. Wish it was worth more money. Must have gave a ton of them away because of the lack of value. Still kind of cool to still have.
The one I had was a large wall poster, it was a birthday gift from a schoolmate@steveletson6616
An amazing achievement, and my respects to the test drivers!
Formula Student 🙌
Think that's such a great contest the universities compete in.
@@rjung_ch yess! I'm a part of a team from India! Crazy stuff!
Actually Hoosier is pronounced "Hoo-sure". Hoosier Tires is a company based out of Indiana, United States the Hoosier State. Debated what it actually means. Daytona 24hrs is tomorrow. I wonder if we will ever get a 24 hour races with vehicles like one shown in the video.
The car this is based on is designed for a max distance of 21 km... so probably no 24h.
A softer "s" sound, more like a "z". Hoozzzier. This car was built to race for less than one second, and once that was done, the car was done.
Excellent! They made a specific vehicle to do what the McMurtry Speirling does on the racetrack! Brilliant! I wonder who will beat this acceleration test next and what technology they will use?
Cool vid.thx again.....btw...that suspension link system....well my Dad & his team did that to their oval racing stockcar back in late 60s early 70s & won ever race they entered
Good on the kids. That is one really cool achievement. Not exactly any novel ideas on their own but lots of clever engineering to combine existing concepts. Except, A top fuel dragster does 0-60 in 0.4 seconds. They crushed the 1 second barrier decades ago.
Makes you wonder how long it will be till electric's instant torque makes it faster.
Top fuel dragster has entered the chat.
Fascinating full execution of the Jim Hall idea. Call the "drag" any and everything that slows acceleration. One could do this with FWD only and the center of drag is aft of the front tire contact patches - enhancing stability on the entire run. This would eliminate the need for all wheel drive; simply apply the down force primarily to the front driving wheels.
It's crazy that I was able to see it in real life and see the young guys that designed it.
Hey Scott, I noticed when you went to the tire portion, you said they use Hoosier LC0, with LC0 denoting the compound choice. However, in the video feed, the sidewall of the tire clearly says R20, which is a different compound. Do you know why there’s a discrepancy here? 11:00
LC0 is the softer compound in conditions like 20-25 degrees perfect. R20 is more durable, if you drive one endurance ( the race in formula student) in degrees above 25 you can push for longer In high temp conditions we prefer R20 because the LC0 just melt away. The discrepancy i cant explain
imagine a category where everything banned by the FIA is allowed
People would die. That's why they ban stuff. It's not because they are killjoys.
We had that. It was called Group B Rally, and it did not end well.
Rocket sled goes brrrrr. Seriously, I'm not sure if this is a good idea. The "ideal" no-rule dragster would probably look something like the sprint missile with some wheels. That thing accelerated at 100 g while going straight up, reaching Mach 10 in 5 seconds. It accelerates so fast that it breaches the sound barrier in its launch tube, and would make everything else including top fuel dragsters look like snails. Of course, the acceleration alone would also kill any potential passengers.
@@gerbilfx just take all the people off the track god dammit
@@mephistoxd2627 probably not good definitely fun
I've seen this subject before but it's interesting to see it through the lens of motorsports rather than the lens of science and intrigue
That FRIC system reminds me of BMC's hydrolastic suspension of mid 60's.
13:33 - If in doubt, flat out!
A top fuel dragster does it 2wd in .4 of a second then onto 100mph in .9 of a second and 300mph in 3.5 seconds. Convenient to omit a sport dedicated to this feat. No record breaking here.
And top fuel cannot go around corners, and a TF engine needs to be rebuilt every run. How long has top fuel been in development for ? This is a low budget student operation. Very impresssive indeed.
@@nordic5490 Wrong! Top fuel doesn't rebuild every run, they inspect the engine after every run. Also, they're using an engine built in 1964. This student program pulls in more than $5 million a year in revenue.
@@nordic5490 This electric go-kart doesn't go around corners either. The electronics, motors, chassis, and down force equipment were specifically set up to make it go only as straight as possible; and for only the amount of times it took to go for less than one second...straight. This car won't be used again, except for parts. Maybe you didn't watch the video.
@@nordic5490not to clever are you.
Amazing feat of engineering. Thanks for sharing!
In-Hub and one motor per wheel electric setups have been around for a long long time now. Techwise. The US military has been using them in future armored vehicle design for even longer. This is allllll pre-established tech, being used in the ways for which it was designed, plus a little more. Kudos to the team, but this was all pre-existing tech
My high-school did something like this. We didn't have a ton of funding obviously, but we managed to make a kart that could go 73mph. It's acceleration wasn't great because it was gas, but we were just trying to make a custom kart go fast
A fairly standard race kart will do 120mph. Funding was definitely a problem. These swiss kids had $5,000,000?
Mcmurtry fan car does 1.4 sec which makes the fastest production car. I'm surprised he didn't mentioned it but the editor showed it multiple times.
It is fair to say any of these brilliant students would get a first priority should a job in F1 (or any other motor race category for that matter) is made available. Thank you for sharing.
Going fast is pretty easy, doing it with control is astounding....well done students : )
9:52 a front to rear suspension interlink was done LONG before 2011. The first example I know of is from 1948 on a Citroën 2CV. It made for an extremely smooth ride because it dampened pitch acceleration which it seems is what feels the more jarring than vertical or roll acceleration. Julian Edgar made a great video about it on his channel back in August of 2021.
Also 'Hydroelastic' suspension on the Mini in the early sixties.
you dont dampen a car; you dampen plants
@@jessiebrader2926 I seem to remember the Hydrolastic suspension came out on the BMC Morris/Austin 1100 series before they fitted it to the Mini. It was also used on the Maxi and 1800 (cow hips) models, too. I always thought the 1100 and the Maxi were underrated cars. I can remember sitting at a comfortable 85 mph in a Maxi with a trailer and a 14ft dinghy on the back. First mass production car to have 5 gears.
Pretty sure the mini was first. It was Alex Isigonni's masterpiece and first on the mini.@@q.e.d.9112
@@q.e.d.9112 You are quite right. I was not quite clear on that point, although I do think I knew it at the time (when I was learning to drive we swapped our Hillman Imp for a Morris 1100). I just checked and Hydrolastic suspension was indeed designed for the car codenamed ADO16, of which the Morris 1100 was the first to be released. It was not retrofitted to the ADO15 (MIni family) until 1964, by which time that line had been in production for half a decade.
I initially saw the video thinking it was something related to the inverted project. But at the end I think the fan and the electric motors for each wheel (already decided) just added more power and efficiency to the inverted project. Curious to see how it’s gonna turn out to be :)
You just know that's how he ended up researching this stuff. I can't wait to see how it pans out.
Kudos, you actually used video material of ETHz when talking about it, instead of UZH ( Universität Zürich ) Like Oppenheimer did
Eyyy the nerds win again. What a super cool program that I wish I could get into. Keep on blowing minds. Im going to school to be an Auto Tech and you said something about the classes or help getting into it and I say do it. I have wanted to go to school so I can make money doing something I loved but I just put it off. But I am the happiest I have been in a while since I made the jump to do it.
Why dont these sorts of things not include top fuel drag cars? The record needs to be more specific
I think they only last 1 run. Certainly the tyres do. Perhaps no drag racers thought of the one way, up hill loophole
Top fuel cars are just so far removed from anything else that it's not really a far comparison. Also, I'm fairly sure the record that was broken is a Formula Student specific record, and all the comparisons he did were just comparisons and not meant to lump all the different cars under one record.
The record in question is fastest acceleration from 0-100kph of an electric car. This does include all production EVs and prototype EV cars as well, however it has always officially been held by one of a couple of Formula Student teams, as no one from outside that community made any official attempts to beat it. For instance, the previous record of 1.461 seconds was unofficially beaten many times by the McMurtry Speirling. They never tried to get it certified though. With this time though, I don’t think there is any EV capable of accelerating faster at this point in time, officially or not.
Fastest F1 0-60 is 1.6 seconds, average is 1.9, not 2.5 sec.
Where do you have this information from? 2.5 seconds is a reaply good start for an F1 car
@@jogrob3762Google, the Times are Alonso in the Renault, Vettel in the Redbull when he was winning. Look it up, some homework for you. Look at the power to weight ratio of an F1 car? Compare this to road cars that do 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. Surely your brain tells you?
The old 1964 Morris 1100 had hydraulic coupling of front to rear suspension called hydrolastic. They handled really well but were under powered.
I've subscribed to your channel because of very deep and technical analysis of F1(very interesting Craig analysis as well)...with the time the channel has become kind of teenager challenges like F1 against a rally car against motorbike against fighter jet against Godzilla (who is the fastest?). Now the fastest car 0-100...
What is this a record of? A top fuel car is still much quicker. 0-60mph in 0.4sec and 0-100mph in 0.9sec
0-100kph acceleration of an electric car
It took 17 minutes to talk about 0.9 sec. Impressive!
It's taking me hours to reply to wacky comments! Thanks for yours friend.
I enjoy the fact that even in Switzerland , they are using Hoosier Tires from over in Indiana . Cool!
AKA the Swiss Brain Compression Project. Man that has to be wicked to launch like that!
It’s it even quicker than a Top Fuel or Funny Car dragster? I think not
As someone who's never been to uni, I'm gutted that there aren't more groups around where this a thing
Put the tray more toward the back, because that's what you really want to keep on the ground. Put a spoiler or weights up front, or wheely bars to keep the front down. Hopefully if the tray pivots around the fulcrum (rear wheels) the front of the tray will stay planted. Or maybe 2 trays.
F1 should'nt be the comparison for everything
F1 is a great comparison as many people are familiar and understand the extreme speeds. Just like Moto GP is the go to comparison, not a drag bike or WSBK
I noticed you did this using a petite European young woman. Now try using a average middle aged American man. Then I'll be impressed 😂
Ferdinand Porsche was the first to mount an electric motor on each wheel. That was a lonnng time ago, near the turn of century, from memory. The other century.
sadly hub motors have turned out to be generally kinda rubbish, despite being an idea that's come and gone a few times. Might actually be particularly suited to this one very particular application, however? (Like if you're trying to get a lot of accelerative grip maybe you *want* a bunch of unsprung weight?)
@@tahrey still though. The immediate thought is the ease of being able to control each wheel... apart from it being four wheel. This being another first. Not that it was a car, more of a coach really, a project for a count, I think. Porsche was mucking around with batteries since he was a teen. This also led to the first hybrid, by Ferdinand. So yes, things do come and go.
@@arconeagain Well, I can't speak for whatever Porsche was thinking when he set his car up that way. Maybe distributing the weight and also reducing it somewhat by using pancake motors in place of the wheel rims (and brake hubs?) seemed like a good idea, at least in theory. Clearly it didn't catch on and even he didn't feel like persuing it that much further, other than as a testbed for that hybrid. (Who knows whether that idea might have been far more successful if using a regular inboard motor?) As for being able to control each wheel... that's certainly a thing, but you could get that about as easily with inboard, sprung-weight motors that may be of a better shape (as well as easier to wire etc) even if direct drive, and maybe even more responsive with a reduction gear. Just do away with the differential and mount one motor per halfshaft. Or use two or even just one motor, plus two or three active diffs or some other kind of per-wheel power modulation (e.g. the brake-pulsing ESP/TC my car uses to very good effect). One thing with hub drive is that you need to generate a hell of a lot of torque for any kind of launching force, which conventional electric drive achieves with a lower torque motor and gearing. I suppose you also do away with the weight of the halfshafts themselves and the possibility of bending them with the torque coming out of the reduction drive, however?
this was a really interesting and educational video! You explain everything so well that even I can understand what you're talking about.
I used to dream about a car exactly like this when I was a kid. I wish I could be part of a team working on a project like this. At least it's cool to know my idea was a good one. I still might try to build my own some day.
Snot Rocket 2.0 enters chat, chuckles quietly...then exits for its next 1,000-plus mile drag & drive event, shattering this "record" as it exits a McDonald's drive thru...
Good stuff!
This is amazing. it looks like they could possibly gain another .001s or more if they could make the car go absolutely straight. all those little left/right wiggles in the steering add up.
The down fan reminds me of the miniature rc cars that do those maze competitions in Japan. They are able to make insane turns at high speed without losing traction