How Israel tests weapons in Gaza, then sells them abroad | Antony Loewenstein | The Big Picture S4E2
In this episode of The Big Picture Podcast, we sit down with investigative journalist Antony Loewenstein to talk about how for decades, Israel used its occupation of Palestinians as a testing ground for new weaponry, which it then packages and sells to governments around the world.
In fact, Loewenstein argues that since its inception, Israel built its economy around military and surveillance technology, exporting it to some of the world’s most repressive regimes including Myanmar, Pinochet’s Chile and apartheid South Africa.
As the devastating war in Gaza wages on, Israeli defence contractors have already begun advertising drones, hightech firearms and robot dogs battle-tested in the field and ready to be sent abroad.
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Timeline:
00:00 - Intro
2:09 - How Israel became a weapons research hub for the West
7:04 - How Israel armed oppressive regimes
9:31 - Israel’s relationship with partheid South Africa
12:15 - The Palestine Laboratory: Testing weapons on occupied subjects
15:52 - Battle testing new weapons in Gaza since 7 October
19:14 - Top Gun & Hollywood military propaganda
22:45 - Gaza news footage used to sell Israeli arms
30:57 - Surveillance technology in hot demand
35:22 - Israel as the ‘border of Europe’
41:46 - The farright’s obsession with Israel
49:48 - India’s Hindu nationalism modelled on Zionism
55:00 - What has changed since 7 October
1:03:59 - Outro
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I’m sick to my stomach! I can’t believe this. The more I learn about this world, we are in a hellscape
We must stay strong And unite
Thank you for letting me know that awesome people do care!
Same😔
SAME ACROSS THE WEST. THE ONE'S THE STICK TOGETHER. NOW WE MUST FIND OUT WHO MAKES AND SUPPLIES THE WEAPONS. In case you think I don't mean India, SKor, Japan. I do.
@@pausereflect5911 The BS US makes a ton of them, the greedy scum of the military industrial complex!
I feel depressed. I want to believe that there will be justice for the Palestinians soon.
Keep hope, always remember, speak of the Palestinian people.. When we do these things it gives hope to palastine or any oppressed people. We are there hope. Bless you all justice ⚖ for palestine! 🍉
@@awakenedsoulx9431 thank you for the kind reminder. I pray everyday for the palestinians and I do everything in my power. The palestinian in Gaza are facing the most difficult test. They are amazing and the most nobel people. They put us to shame.
@@Justiceme107exactly 💯. I weep for them and my heart breaks 💔
At least people are talking about it now. For decades, no one cared, and everyone believed everything the Israelis said. It started to change with the age of the internet, smartphones, and independent media.
Ich warte seit Jahren auf Gerechtigkeit für die Deutschen, deren Geschichte GENAU VON DENEN GESCHRIEBEN WURDE !
Israel has made billions off the deaths of Palestinians. Just let that grotesque fact sink in, and I thought I couldn't have any more contempt for Israel but I was wrong.
The reality of a colonial regime
I felt literally nauseous. Truly grotesque
Israhell
@@Justiceme107 The limits of my disgust rose exponentially with each segment. Absolutely terrifying and hideous Israhell.
We are all Palestinians - all who are being manipulated by governments who refused to stop the madness, governments who are in thrall to the corporate-military complex, enthrall to a handful of media and online corporations. That includes ordinary jews in Israel, and the vast populations of Muslim countries -Egypt, Saudi, Jordan, Turkey etc etc. It also incudes the populations of Germany, France , UK, and the US. I suspect it is also true of the populations of Russia, China and Iran if they had a free choice. The majority of all our citizens want an end to this genocide and want a fair peace deal. All who want a peaceful, representative world, all are Palestinians. If you think you are immune, then wait for them to come to you when they need to. We are all Palestinians. From sea to shining sea.
And this country with this level of deranged civil discourse, is allowed to have nuclear weapons.
I agree!
If hamas had them we'd all be dead, you silly sausage. And now another terrorist group has targeted Russia. Is that Israel's fault as well 😅
Because of Lügen!
Yes exactly Iran should never have nuclear weapons due to that fact
@user-xk1ff4gp7k one fundamentalist points at another's. The world sees both
Antony Loewenstein - This man is courageous and is right in everything he says.
I don't think this settler colony has a future on earth
@@Ya_Berries_HimmelWhich one? 😉 🇵🇸
Every single thing he said about Russia and Ukraine was 100% false.
Lol he is just a raged leftist who has been brainwashed by islamist propoganda for years 🇮🇳🤝🇮🇱
As Mandela said in 1997 reaffirming his support for Palestinian rights: "We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians." Listening to this interview it is clear that this applies to all of us all over the world.
South Africa is a failed state now. The criminal rate of South Africa is one of the highest in the world. People in South Africa rape or kill each other every day, every hour. Not only the party of Mandela is corrupt, even the relatives of Mandela have many scandals or crimes. The leaders of a country should care more for the own country before they can care for other business in the foreign countries.
I bought and read two books by Antony Lowenstein for Christmas, 'Disaster Capitalism ' and 'The Palestine Laboratory '. I could not recommend them highly enough. The overlap between them was eye opening. Solidarity
Spot on 👌
Quickley :" Das anglo- amerikanische Establishment ". Wolf Meyer-Christian:" Die englisch-j..ische Allianz "!
Yes. There are so many excellent authors covering the actual history of what's been going on for generations in Palestine. I would also encourage people to buy and read as many books as they can on these subjects. And also once you're finished donate them to a local library so others can learn truth.
After I heard this interview, I want to read his books
@Agrippina1000 It is an excellent book, you definitely should 👍🏻🇵🇸
Am from Australia and am amazed how Antony is so honest and has experienced the disgraceful life the Palestinians have suffered years before October 7th by the Israeli government. He is so honest and he is also from Israel.
Palestinians or Arabs? Do not confuse Arabs refugees with the Palestinians. Arab countries must take them back.
Good to hear and see people who have a moral compass
Watching this & the cry of stone's breaks my heart 💔& and soul 😢😢😢may God bless the Palestinian's and give them their homeland back, glory to Jesus Jesus 🙏 🙏🙏 trail blazing from Australia 🇦🇺 🙏 💙 SHAME ON ISRAEL YOU DON'T DESERVE A FLAG!!🤑
It's also about self preservation. Understandably, he does not wish to be associated with the Israel atrocities.
Anthony Albanese is from israeli family? Is this what you’re saying??
I've got no idea who Anthony Loewenstein is, but everything he says is spot on!
Everything? I would not be so certain.
Anthony Loewenstein works often in the last years for Al Jazeera. This newspaper is financed by Qatar government, who pay for Hamas to fight Israel. Qatar payed for Anthony Loewenstein through Al Jazeera.
@@thiphan264 Guilt by association.
Such an amazing interview
It’s a sick corrupt world we live in . 😔
I love Antony Loewenstein. I had the honour of meeting him briefly at his book launch in Melbourne, Australia. He gave a talk & I had to agree with every single point that he made.
Their game is up. Unfortunately at a huge cost to the Palestinian people
Evil is an understatement 👿
WATCH Richard Medhurst.
Then that can only mean one thing, which is that as hard as it may be to believe, Islam is an understatement!
@@bryanjackson8917 Go have a Clorox martini.
@@bryanjackson8917 Well, not so fast, because there seems to be a connection between the Israel govts behaviour & Islam (read the Talmud (if you are allowed) - there are many similarities of their belief systems. And aren't they related (the half brother history).
❤❤❤5o0 😅@@grapes2233
Mandela said “we are not free until Palestinians are free”. He said this to indicate our appreciation of the support that the resistance forces against SA Apartheid received from PLO. This is what inspired our government to take Israel to ICJ. Also our foreign relations is centred around Human Rights. This is what inspired the court case against Israel. What is said here about SA government and ICJ is news to me!
It sounds to me like your government is not so much "inspired" by anything as it just a total fucking hot mess!
am I actually supposed to have anymore sympathy for Israel now. The Holocaust is all they shout. What about the Holocaust they're inflicting on Palestine. Guess who's weapons are arming the gangs in Haiti now? Israeli and US. They're a pernicious pair. From Ireland. ❤🇿🇦❤🇵🇸
@@bryanjackson8917 says the Amerikkkan. 💩
_"Our freedom is incomplete without that of the Palestinians. "_ -Nelson Mandela
@@bryanjackson8917very rich of you to say that yet your own economies are entirely supported by deaths of millions abroad. South Africa'os issues don'ot come close to the hot mess the u.s of A is (complete with corrupt, genocidal leadership!). Give me S. Africa's problems any day!!
My first exposure to Antony Loewenstein and I am so impressed with the clarity of his message and his humanity. Running to buy the book.
Thank you both so much. Chilling to the bone. The only silver lining for the future of all like minded people is people power. Equality and justice for ALL and an end to ALL Oppression.
I agree
Agree
Yes, I will not be voting for Biden or Trump.
Change will come not from within but outside of Israel. Be patient.
Extremely insightful. Thank you for joining the dots.
I've been saying palestiniang occupied by Israel is a testing ground. They've been doing this for years
I'm a proud hindu Zionist 🇮🇳🤝🇮🇱
Ok, give them you house and all belongings and get out @@ProudTurkroach
Germans the same !
Not for years, for 8 decades.
Mr Loewenstein is an inteligent, and good person. This video is very interesting.
He is not!
Excellent thanks I’ll get that book too .❤🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸👏🏻✌🏼✌🏼🇵🇸
1981 Iraq hit USS Stark with several exocet missiles, America forgave Sadam because he was fighting a proxy war with Iran using chemical weapons supplied by America. Sadam decided no more war with Iran, no more Sadam
Just the title alone...bone chilling
Australia just signed up a nearly 1bn $ deal with Israel's Elbit System for enhancing their Defence capability!Sickening move with regards to Israel's ongoing Genocide in Gaza & how the technology was tested on Palestinians.
Who are these so called leaders? My own gov't is doing the same thing. As if they need help merking more babies into red rubble. WTF
Australian labour government Is a disgrace
Australians had better keep an additional eye out for tunnel builders then - there's a lot of ground there to cover that seems to have the capacity to escape the attentions of what's been billed as the most sophisticated and comprehensive of defence systems imaginable.
@@christinethomas6763 The death toll of innocent civilians in Gaza attest to Israel's sophisticated AI sensor technology, u mean?
Australia is a genocide, too. Why tf can't Palestine people wake up to their own backyards? Is it because the Zios bring it up? Well, a broken clock is right twice a day, and we can NEVER FREE PALESTINE if we don't first acknowldge the original sin of our own European settler colonies. Free 'em all!
We want justice.
Antony…..gives me some hope, always a pleasure to listen to. Thanks
I bought the book!! Thanks for such wonderful interview!!
U.S. to hold 1srael account?!?! What about holding U.S. to account?!?!?
In essence, it is a Zionist controlled America which is doing the bombings and killings in Palestine. A free bonafide democracy does not exist in America anymore. America politicians and its entire foreign policy is directed by Zionists who hold dual citizenships. Americas politicians work and vote on behalf of a tiny country in north Africa, not the people who elect them.
For what once again you show a week when the argument when you don't even put your fax forward stop with the blank Acquisitions name names and include facts
USA and UK were not called to account for war in Iraq What is changed since then ? Israel and USA will get off Scot free If they get off the world is doomed
Considering we r Israel
@@user-xk1ff4gp7ku should learn American history starting w the c I a & our non stop fascist coups
Wonderful clarity with a historical perspective. Thank you.
This seems like a really good book thank you for having them on.
Thank you for this insightful interview. Antony Lowenstein, your humanity shines through and your courage appreciated.
Amazing interview, and deep insight and understanding by Loewenstein. It is not just an Israel-Netanyahu problem. This whole world has to grow towards a higher level of Love and compassion and willingness to share.
Sadly the companies that run the world making all the weapons and have their money in almost every aspect of life are heartless. Their motto is power and money over people and the advancement of the human race.
Very important and informative ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️🕊🫶🫶🤲🙏🏻🙏🏻🍀🇵🇸
Antony ! When has Zionism ever cared for the safety and wellbeing of Jews in Israel or around the world in general !
You should read what Herzl & Jabotinsky wrote of them... the original "anti-semites"!!
Some Dr's said the wounds they are seeing have never been seen before!!!!
Informative beyond most
We are all Palestinians - all who are being manipulated by governments who refused to stop the madness, governments who are in thrall to the corporate-military complex, enthrall to a handful of media and online corporations. That includes ordinary jews in Israel, and the vast populations of Muslim countries -Egypt, Saudi, Jordan, Turkey etc etc. It also incudes the populations of Germany, France , UK, and the US. I suspect it is also true of the populations of Russia, China and Iran if they had a free choice. The majority of all our citizens want an end to this genocide and want a fair peace deal. All who want a peaceful, representative world, all are Palestinians. If you think you are immune, then wait for them to come to you when they need to. We are all Palestinians. From sea to shining sea.
Definitely. In our thousands, in our millions, we are all Palestinians.
Pre 1967 Palesrinians more than a "second class citizen" for some kibbutzniks. Have to say far from typical but nonetheless there 'on site and in sight' - generally disliked and resented by many of the 'old school' so to speak - was a man, a more recent arrival, responsible (at least when I was there) for allocating tasks to student volun- teers. I could hardly believe my ears, and certainly didn't want to, when he would describe local villagers with whom we would be working in the outlying fields as "Untermenschen"! A single anecdote, I know, but the overall atmosphere suggested something very amiss was being imposed on the majority of fellow kibbutzniks there.
If you want to be referred to as a Palestinian that's great but I'm not part of that dog family the point is Hamas is pulling the strings but the Palestinians know what they are up to how can you take a massive tunnel underneath the hospital and do it in secret
@@user-kf7vr6xf5lyou can be a Palestinian if you want but there is no such thing as truly being Palestinian if you don't know the fact that the Palestinians have been kicked out of every surrounding country they came from Egypt they came from Lebanon they came from they came from Syria and Saudi Arabia all those groups were kicked out of those countries because they were violent and militant and were starting trouble your hero Palestinian Yasser Arafat was kicked out of Egypt why would those Arab countries kick out the Palestinians
@@user-xk1ff4gp7k😂 What a load of b@ll@cks
Thank you Antony Loewenstein and host for a very human perspective on what is needed to find peace
Informative and refreshing ❤
Apparently new marketing strategy of Israel these days is: Made in Israel tested in Gaza.
Disgusting
Well in that case the people in Gaza volunteered to be that test system they're the ones that voted in Hamas they're the ones that teach their children to kill Jews
It isn't new strategy. It began during the Nakba. How to target refugee camps without causing a fuss! Half of modern isn't real is build on Palestinian mass graves. The attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 was to hide the massacre of thousands of surrendered Egyptian military prisoners.
kzhead.info/sun/eNuTcdGrpIqvaa8/bejne.html
@@user-xk1ff4gp7k Who voted for Bibi? Remember, clown, I'm from "Canada" so I know how parliaments work. Go.
One of the best interviews I’ve heard since the 7th of October but also very, very depressing..
the trafficking in fear, the fearfulness while shouting of your superiority... this is the ridiculous joke of it all.
How does a military, and or advanced military surveillance system, disappear for a day?!
And tragically, suspiciously, ironically has happened more than once in our collective memory.
He is spreading propaganda, that Israel is military super power. It's proof they aren't, another proof is the blown up tanks! lol he doing reversed propaganda. Everyone manufacture weapons nothing special. No one is defendant on one country
Inside Job .....israel'hell was behind it.....was isreal'hell 9/11
Very good question..
you may need a quality hacker for that
I really respect this guy. He is fair and courageous. Chapeau
Australia's Antony Loewenstein is one of the best information gatherers.
Whitney Webb is another one
Thanks for that tip. Always encouraging to discover new authors. Cheers from Australia 🦘.
Nice job Antony Loewenstein.
A very honest and raw podcast which quite clearly explains why things are the way they are . Well done both gentlemen.
I have this book and am reading it now!!! It is excellent, but mind blowing!!!!! I cannot recommend it more!!!!!!
Does it say anything about how Israelis, what system or device they use to watch Palestinians in their homes?
Very informative thank you so much for sharing this important information
That was a wonderful discussion👏 Really appreciated listening to your guest Antony.TY both 🙏✌️
Eye opening
Read his book 2 months ago. Mind boggling!
Thank you so much for doing all that you are doing
It is really sad and interisting thisvideo
And we condemned the Germans who conducted medical experiments on the Jews
We still do. Why would you believe that to change?
What a brilliant interview! It warmed my heart to see Mohamed interviewing Antony Loewenstein in such a relaxed atmosphere. Yes, it was quite long, but I was hanging on to every word. I'm definitely going to buy the book, 'The Palestinian Laboratory'.
This is a very impressive presentation❤
Insightful conversation, gentlemen. I plan to acquire Antony's book.
Sounds almost like eugenics on steroids! Please know about eugenics and its history. Its imperative. Understanding the multiple different forms of ethnic cleansing! This is NOT just in Palestine and even if it was, if its ANYWHERE on the planet, its a problem! I mean in the US there are STILL 17 states that allow forced sterilization of disabled people including children. People under conservatorship. Please know and understand eugenics. If it couldn't work with surgeries, it'll work with weapons, ethnic cleansing... Psychological warfare... Medical warfare... That's exactly what this is. This isn't just about the Palestinians, its about all who aren't in the club!! This is for all who struggle, mentally, physically, financially. Anyone considered undesirable, useless, deplorable. Some actually try to use God as an excuse to do evil things. Please look into how eugenics ties into this. Because mark my words, it absolutely does!
In the US, we have a lot of young people volunteering to be sterilized, because they believe a lie that they're in the wrong body.
Bill Gates parents were ardent eugenicists. And didn't his 'charity' basically sterilize countless women in Africa
@@lisao6928 And you know their own brains better than they do. Classikkk.
The stench of Izzzy's evilness reeks to high heavens!!!!!!
Hope he releases the recent books on audio soon! Very interested to listen, but struggle to sit and hold paper books
The whole world is appalled by Israel,s cruelty. I formerly believed Judaism stood for righteousness and justice.
Zionism is opposed to Judaism
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You fell into the Submission Bros trap. Wow.
Torah Judaism does not Agree with the zionist one bit. Two different sects, the Zionist took over Judaism and indoctrinated the people of Israel.
And here all this time I thought Islam stood for...oh wait, it does stand for war, conquest, and cutting off the heads of infidels, so never mind!
Very insightful. I will buy the book. Thank you for this very informative interview.
Mladic also wrote in his diaries how he was fond of the Israelis who helped him prior to his genocidal escapades in Bosnia.
You forgot the pharma labs with human lab-testing.
The truth. Thank you . What is the future of humanity.
I have a lot of respect for people like you.❤
Mind Begs the Question: - When Governed by Politicians - Who justify Starvation,Death Camps,Gassing/White Phosphorus,Ethnic Cleansing,etc - Governed by Righteous or Satanic?
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Capitalists. Follow da money... 🤑
Very good interview
Dankeschön für das gute Interview ✌️✌️✌️
Very sobering and insightful interview. Answers some questions.
Great human being 🙏🏻
Excellent presentation
Thank you for this! Also want to add that from reading the recent book Marvel book by Joana Robinson mentioned that in order use any likeness of US military in movies, not only does one need to obtain permission the ENTIRE script has to be approved by US military . For example they changed the script for the first Iron man movie which was made after 9/11
Great interview. Thank you!
Anthony is absolutely correct! Yes, Indea is turning out the same. Sincerely Michael Foley
Thank you for this interview!
I love this podcast i learned sooo much by listening to hi, He is speaking the truth, he is a great human being
Thank you Sirs. This is the most important, revealing, needed, overlooked subject on Israel and its leverage over it's Supporters.
One of the best interviews I’ve listened to in a long time. Thank you. Very telling that clip of the ‘white Zionist.’
Brilliant interview learned so much from Anthony Löwenstein.
Very well thought out piece of work, look forward to see it translated into Persian.
Brilliant..clarity of the bigger picture and the implications
Thanks
Izzy tests American military technology
At taxpayer's expense. Then sells to other countries?
Excellent
Just started the book. Also reading Peter S Goodman's 'Davos Man'. Anthony brilliantly represents the diaspora Jewish evolution beyond its roots in narrow tribal/sectarian territorialism into a leading light of European humanism on multiple cultural fronts. The regression to atavistic Zionist idiocy was a combination of the British Israelism of 16th century Puritan Protestantism's imperial hubris and literalist rationalisations of biblical texts to serve their g£uttonous ends, wedded to the Rot$chi£d/Sanhedrin sect in 1917 by Ministering ange£ Ba£four. As he states, Israel has re-ghettoi$€d itself into a U$€fu£ idiocy of Zionistan; just as Adolf led Germany to its self-fulfilling prophesy of Ragnarok in '45, with Armageddon as the 21st century RagnaroKKK. Great exchange. Thank you both, and all concerned in its production.
You mentioned Israel becoming an example for other countries that wanted to repress some of their population. Israel actually took its cue from the European nations that colonized in the 1800s and 1900s including what happened in Canada and the United States.
Also, the Zionists' ally, Nazi Germany.
Thank you for this sobering presentation about how Israel operates. I bought your book on Amazon and look forward to reading it.
Thank you for this interview and the eye-opening historical context Mr. Lowenstein provides.
Clearly one of the best, most comprehensive and essential interviews on the issue. I am horrified and disgusted by the brutality of Israel and the radicalization of the people. If this ethnic cleansing goes through with injustice unpunished, the world will be a worst place - and anti-semitism will spread like never before: what was an european thing will turn global.
Tribute to the folks who keep fighting what appears to be a losing battle. ❤❤❤ Don't know how they do it when just occasional witnessing wears me out.
A great interview. It was so interesting and informative. I would definitely like to read his book. He's a very brave man indeed !
Knowing this cynical business parallel to massive killing of a people that is submitted to tortures psychological and physical since years, is over heartbreaking. The USA and Brits are complicit to this criminal state.
They own both.
@@hansjuker8296 Wrong again, Adolf. Al-Hakim taught us that Amerikkka is the head of the snake. It's logic: If not for AMERIKKKAN RESUPPLY of "Israeli" munitions, this "war" would have been over in 4 days, max. Do the math.
Wow, what an eye-opener.
The ICJ case by South Africa is fascinating. As a Brit I feel that there has been no truth and reconciliation that includes our Country and others. We need international criminal law to be implemented for all countries to stop these abuses.
FFS, it was the Brits who started the whole fucking ruckus with their Sykes-Picot here and their Balfour Agreement there and selling out both sides at the same time. So can't you just leave things alone for once and let them sort things out for themselves out?!
@@bryanjackson8917 i was trying to say that our historical wrongs should be owned up to and explored. So that justice can be done for our past misdeeds that you point out. I am not denying self determination for anyone. Just saying that we the British need to make recompense for our role in the harm.
@@belbrighton6479 Fair enough. Are you going to apply the same standard to the Islamic world and the Jihadists in your own county?
@@bryanjackson8917 the ICJ covers countries, and I wholly support international law being applied to all countries. We were recently ruled against with the Chagos islands and need to act on that ruling.
Great program. Thank you.
An amazing interview congratulations
Fantastic interview