Likes and Dislikes for The Sims 4: A Gameplay Improvement? Not So Fast
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The Sims 4 now had Likes and Dislikes, lending Sims a bit more personality. Is this the gameplay improvement many have asked for over the last 6 years, or a quick fix that isn't nearly comprehensive enough? Let's look at how it changes things, what it means for player Sims and Townies.
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How is knitting not a hobby? They literally made a whole pack about it.
Wowwwwwww you caught that 😅
It’s like how he explained how bust the dust seems like it’s not intertwined with the game they just throw the packs in there without having them work seemingly with the game
There are several activities that have been left out, but they made sure to include pipe organ as an option🤨
Right! I have all the packs and barely any of the hobbies are listed. They added wellness and snowboarding and skiing and that’s like it. Makes me so angry.
@@thredheadsims4676 Yeah because wow I use the pipe organ sooooooo much 🙄
the question that keeps coming back for sims 4: "why do I have to do it all myself?"
and why did it take so long ?
This is a direct result of the decision not to do story progression in favor of giving complete control to the player. That mindframe trickles into every decision 😞
@@bobyroublard9965 why did it take so long and they still either messed it up or it was underdeveloped
@@lisascankdealejo6447 Such a stupid decision, we only want them to work on THEIR premades and they can't even do that. I'm tired of having to give their sims personality and then feeling robbed of the oportunity of getting to "know" them.
Because Sims 4 is a complete sandbox. If you want structured story, go back to playing Sims 2. Even Sims 3 has more structure than 4, but it's VERY easy to ruin that structure with the open world, no rotation play style Sims 3 has by default. Sims 4 is meant to be a game YOU control fully. So if you don't like it, you just shouldn't play it, or at least not play it and expect EA to do the work for you. And yes, I agree with you. I hate it. I liked when Sims had their own personality and things they liked in Sims 2 and 3, hence why 2 and 3 are still my favorites. But when I play Sims 4, I'm aware that I have to set up everything, and I'm ok with that. It's a different game, so I don't hate it for being different. I just don't like how MODDERS have to fix the game, because EA never does. I'm fine with the game forcing me to do everything, but when everything is just broken and buggy... It's not fun
So basically another case of: Sounds great on paper but thanks to the minimal effort they put into it, it's a letdown.
The Sims 4 in a nutshell
This is also why I'm extremely cautious about the new country living pack that's gonna come out soon. Sure looks fucking great, but... this is sim4. There's always a catch.
It's kind of getting really annoying that our sims will forever get more "complex" and the townies will forever stay a blank canvas. I get that people want to micro manage their games and have full control on what goes on, but it's completely one sided. I play Sims games for immersion and The Sims 4 keeps failing in that department. It's so annoying that you have to be such an active simmer and the only times you can ever be passive is when you set things up yourself. I want to be able to drop my sim into a world and just be pulled into everything around me but I can't do that because I have to constantly be the one at the wheel.
A simple option to turn default emotions on/off would suffice, I also prefer that townies could came with their default emotions, as SUMMER AND WINTER CLOTHES, EA please...
@@williamzeo2493 EA: Do it yourself
I feel the same way, there was no reason as to why townies are not affected by expansions. When university came out, there was no reason as to why certain sims didn't have degrees. Ot why base game townies weren't naturally set to be in some clubs. There is no story progression unless u mod the game and that makes all of the packs seem empty. Even with the new gamepack without story progression the game will feel lackin. Bob and Eliza want a new room for a toddler? Who cares, its not like they will ever have one unless I, the player, deem it so
@@nyashiahughes3829 Exactly, it feels like I'm trapped in a bubble or on a sitcom where my life is ever changing and wacky but the neighbor's are just the same every day unless I start drama. With each update the base townies should be updated while adding in new townies specific to said world (If the pack gives you one). I really wish we were given open neighborhoods as a trade off from not having an open world because at least the neighborhood would have life instead of just your lot.
@@DayvonR64 lol what you described is "Don't Hug Me. I'm Scared" my mind blew!
Imagine having to go into every family and play every sim to set their favourites in *every separate save game*.
That's the definition of actual torture. 🔥🔥😭👏
yeah...I'm tired just by imagining it 😴
This would be the longest yet shortest game save ever, because once you do it, you would be done. You would be so done.
I am.. ad I got over 370 sims :(((
Then imagine another update where they add another category for favorites (can't believe fav food was left out!)...
It still rubs me the wrong way that dislikes are developed simply by doing something while being in a bad mood. You might be doing something that eventually helps you to get in a better mood and you find your new passion. For instance, your sim was very sad after someone's death, they started painting and found this as their new passion. This narrative seems realistic but impossible in the sims 4, as I understand
At least you can just say no each time?
I have issues with this system in general. I mean just like in real life you do a lot of things over and over because you have to not necessarily because that is your new passion. While I would love to develop an actual passion for repetitive job tasks in real life, sadly it doesn't really work that way.
It's also entirely too broad for my liking. A sim may like painting but will ultimately prefer to paint in a specific style or write/read a specific genre. They may prefer weightlifting and absolutely hate swimming. Also why not have no skill oriented likes/dislikes like time of day, a preference for baths over showers, a favorite TV channel, even a favorite flower or fruit. I'm not really seeing the point of the categories we did get other than as a way to justify the new game pack. I can't really see this system growing in any significant way.
@Lexi 93 this was a free update, how are we supposed to say no to it 😂😂
@@meh457 Those times it was possible to play without updating Origin...
just "an OK start" after 6 years is unacceptable 😞
EXACTLY!!!!
🙌 that’s the greatest comment ever!
Especially since it's unlikely that it actually gets fixed, as we see with so many other issues. It will once again be modders who end up fixing the game.
@@Monahven reminds me of skyrim o.o
@@bobyroublard9965 Maybe. I guess the degree to which Skyrim and TS4 are broken without mods could be argued in comparison but yeah. I would say the difference is that, even though it's been re-released on many different platforms because of its popularity, they're not pumping out content pack after content pack for $$$ that just add broken features ad infinitum.
I fully expect there will be a mod very soon that gives every townie random likes/dislikes with multiple choices in both directions in each category.
once again modders are needed to save the game. sims 2 and 3 does not need lots of mods to be good.
Yes it'll happen very soon as it is not going to be hard. I could do it, I'm just not interested in supporting it and know someone could do it better like tie it in with traits too.
@@DarkeningDemise Or Turbodriver may do it since he already had a way to randomly assign likes/dislikes to everyone for his attraction system in Wonderful and Wicked Whims. He's gonna have to update his system to incorporate EA's likes/dislikes as it is, so I imagine that'll be soon.
That still won't help those of us on consoles though. 😟
@@lunacouer thats is the funniest part turbo had that feature for ages but maxis couldn't be bothered.
This could be interesting and also unrealistic, my sims often came back "tense" from work, so if I play video games to lose the tense moodlet they will start to hate gaming? It would be funny if he could hate working instead lol. Also, let me voice my discontentment like everybody else, that townies should came with their default like/dislikes.
It's certainly the least Maxis could do. It's not even that hard. Just pick like or dislike for maybe 10-15 things.
@@jakelee7083 They take the lazy route as always.
In my save, at least with handiness it kinda made sense as certain negative modlets might affect those who try to fix stuff so the game asked me if the sim hated doing that activity, sadly it becomes annoying if a sim enjoys music and listens to each of the radios and the game starts asking if you like each one of them.
I think if you establish it as a like, when you do it, it will decrease you're tense moodlet. Or at least that should be what it is.
@@saltycat662 was just gonna comment this.
Townies missing personality attributes has been around since the beginning. Only sims in Windenburg are in clubs, only lots in San Myshuno have lot traits, only sims in Brindleton Bay have pets, sims prior to seasons still get randomly generated hot and cold weather outfits, only sims in Del Sol Valley have fame and reputation, no sim at all has pre set character value traits, etc. Sims 4 has plenty of features to make the game as a whole more fleshed out, but the default save with it's default townies, even randomly generated townies, are husks of a character.
yess! omg literally no one outside Brindleton Bay has pets!! It’s so sad that nothing overlaps
They have jobs and kids but no skills, not even cooking. They aren't equipped to live the lives they gave them!
Tbh even as a control freak I cannot be arsed to go through all the worlds and edit every single townie. I'd just prefer them to be randomised or be generated in a correlation with the traits a sim has. Nobody got that much time or that much will to sit through loading screens.
I remember when traits were randomly assigned according to Major wishes/Aspirations. Like if you want to be a family man they would give all the traits for a good family man to you.
i literally go into every household and redo the townies. but those likes/dislikes? horrible, bland u can randomise them in cas but its just like 3 out of 10 used? like come on at least fill this bitch up!
Sims 4 being born as an online game where everyone would be manually creating every character in the world rears its ugly head yet again. I'd ask how this can still be a problem how many years later, but my incredulity well has run dry so very long ago.
Right? It's a house built on sand, and no matter how much you try to prop it up, the foundation is still cracked and busted. At this point, I just feel like it's not that they won't fix it...it's that they can't.
@@lunacouer yes! And the fact that simmers say “oh it’ll be fixed in 5” like the exact same unfixable mess couldn’t happen all over again, for another $600usd
@@toodleloos not to mention that I hear things like multiplayer for 5. They better not try to turn the sims into an online thing again, because this will kill it potentially.
@@kevinmurphy4647 It'll be SimCity all over again. I'd ask have they learned NOTHING from that failure of a fiasco but like... it's very clear to us that they haven't if they're willing to pull this stunt again knowing damn well how bad the aftermath will be. Then again, EA hasn't has any self-awareness in years. I'm not even surprised anymore that they are willing to risk destroying The Sims franchise for good for the sake of money. :///
One more way you can get asked about likes/dislikes: while NPCs are doing things around you. This is going to still require player input so doesn't change my feelings much. Also things NPCs already gravitate toward, such as fitness, cooking, will be more heavily prioritized. I'd like to discover Sims' likes and dislikes not set them. At the moment I'm being expected to decide if Eliza Pancakes hates fitness because she's sweaty. I don't want to be asked constantly to where I have intimate knowledge of all NPC's likes/dislikes. I'm not sure what is going on with this system. I also do not know how many of this type Sims can get, but it clearly needs to unlock many more via ASKING.
As for so many things the solution to this would be a checkbox. There should be more options for players to configure their game. One checkbox saying automous like/dislike discovery that allows you to check if you want the likes/dislikes just to be set for sims or if you want the pop-up. Without them you cannot make everybody happy. Sims 4 is just lacking in configurations to give the highly diverse player base the game they are looking for. Maybe I wanna play with the vampire world and stuff but don't want to have vampires in my game - give me a checkbox. Maybe I like Brindelton Bay but hate the strays animals - give me a checkbox. Maybe I like the struggle and wanna play on hard mode - give me a checkbox that decreases the amount of money I am earning from anything by half or slows skills building or something.
@@SGast This so much. How often I have cursed the lack of a "no celebrities" checkbox. While it's nice that you can start all households opted out of fame, it's not enough. And I really wonder if it would be so hard, to implement a set of checks, that would run through your options when you start a new game to see, which NPC types the game should generate and then just leave at that, until you actually change something in the options. Not to mention even the options we have are broken sometimes. I still see reports from players who have turned off the Eco Footprint gameplay but get auroras anyway. Why is it so hard, to just tell the game mechanics to not create auroras and smog, if that option is checked?
oh great I thought that was a bug! I was playing one family when I suddenly got a popup saying a townie doesn't like cooking.... I had no idea who it was
@@tonywild2559 I am not an expert on game development specifically. Normally it shouldn't be this difficult as you should be able to just force set fame level to 0 when this option is enabled to never run into any of these issues with NPs as we do not have story progression so fame levels normally don't change but even deactivating this should be quite easy. It is always possible for bugs to occur but not even giving the option is annoying and artificially limits the ways the game can be palyed in an already pretty limiting Sims game.
Using the control a sim mod in a pre-update save, I have discovered that sims who interact with my player gain likes and dislikes as the interaction starts. Sims she knew before the update don't have them till they spend a little time with the player. Don't have to ask them about likes or dislikes. The pre-update sims don't have them till they move into the player cell.
They keep releasing things clearly half finished (e.g. bunk beds), which just keep disappointing the Sims community. Like I don't think anyone would have cared if this feature was delayed or announced later, as long as it worked properly at release. Now they've just soured the community against something we've wanted for ages.
I've also noticed that even with certain packs installed, we're still missing a lot of potential likes and dislikes. For example: where's knitting?? Why can't I make my grandma like knitting!? There's a million and one options in the club system but less than half of that for likes and dislikes? Seems like an oversight on their part.
Or they don’t care and know that modders will pick up on their slack. Seems EA has relied on that heavily this whole time. Why pay people to do it when there’s people out there that will do it for them for free so they only have to do the bare minimum lol
i think it’s because if knitting can be liked or disliked, a lot of sims will end up disliking it. and then you’ll be prevented from using Knifty Knitting with a whole group of sims.
@@lithiumkid who cares though? I could just make my Sims like knitting if I want them to.
@@alanmorgan4826 if you wanna go through every single sim’s likes in CAS, with every single dislike that is towards something from a pack, do yo thang ig
@@lithiumkidbut hobbies from other packs not base game are listed? So, wtf? Also they can still not randomize it and at least give players the option
Sims Guru clicks off the positive moodlets to " show" the negative moodlet. Sigh. Sad how de- evolved the gameplay. But hey we can build smancy houses fill them up with all kinds of things, including flat feeling sims that ALL are erratic behaving with moodlets changing every second. Sigh
I hope this sim guru wasn’t punished after backlash, cause it wasn’t her fault that she had to cheat away the moodlets, it is entirely emotion system’s fault and the way it implemented into the gameplay
It doesn’t bother me that the sims and townies are gradually developing likes/dislikes. But- I too am disappointed that all the activities from each pack aren’t represented as possible likes, like flower arranging or Selvadoradan culture. I expected for every skill to have an associated like/dislike. I’m also hopeful that food likes and dislikes will be added later in a patch.
I was disappointed to see that all activities weren’t represented as well, but they made sure to include pipe organ in the list of like/dislike options 🤦♀️😩
Maybe you can go into full CAS for every NPC individually and set their likes and dislikes there? But honestly, would it have killed them to set official NPC Likes and Dislikes? You know what's infuriating? EA makes hundreds of packs, and then never caters to the people who buy them all.
Imagine if in Sims 2 you had to add turn ons and offs to EVERY sim in neighborhood and subhoods 🤦♀️ NEVER Same with likes in Sims 3 Soo.... Why, Sims 4, why??
Carl said elsewhere it'd be an easy mod. But I wonder how intrinsic it is to CAS and if EA setting it would screw up other CAS stuff. That's the only logical reason I can think of why the townies don't have them.
The list is also kinda weird. I see no stargazing, chess or cardgames in mine, even though all three are important parts of the base game and rocket science is kind of hard to do. Nor do I see any alternatives for occult sims.
Exactly!! I have the knitting pack and it's not even on the list to like or dislike 😒
@@sabrinameixsell3728 Seriously? Ugh I wanted to encourage more sims to knit bc no one knits enough to use the pack
Kinda weird they don't have like/dislike of Occult sims either
I agree but...Neither stargazing or cardgames are basegame.
@@missdibule2039 skiing isn’t either but it’s listed
i play with base saves so once i set everyone's likes and dislikes it should be good for every time i play, but it does seem very lazy that they didn't edit all the townies. if we didn't like their picks we could just change, but now it's once again like only your sim makes any impact. this and not having any story progression yet.. meh.
Even if they set the townies, the random NPCs need a way to be set that is not.... those 5. But yeah, I can see this working for some people.
@@CarlsSimGuides yeah i'm both very lazy but also one of the control freaks you mention so i use mods to limit the amount of random NPCs in my game haha. but yeah, it's far from a perfect system which is sadly to be expected from TS4 at this point.
well they also never edited older townies for summer and winter clothes for example, you can literally do that in less than a hour, so it's pure laziness!
@@nannybells wait what there are mods to limit random npc? plss lmk wt the mods are
You're absolutely right. Creating your own save full of fleshed out townies is the only way to enjoy this game imo. I'm really getting upset with the fact that our sims pretty much live in a vacuum in Sims 4. It's like nothing exists outside of your household and even when you're out and about the sims only go with the motions. Sims will show up sad or angry but even then it's like who gives a crap it's not like they got fired or found out their significant other cheated. I'm not sure if they even notice if a loved one dies if you're not playing them. I feel like a broken record it's all just really really shallow.
The default save needs an overhaul on so many levels and I feel this would be a good time to do this after so many years and updates. They could: -fix all their major build mistakes -sort out the missing skills and relationships -set proper cold and hot weather outfits -give sims likes and dislikes and if they wanna be really ambitious update some of the builds and families to include pools and toddlers in the base game. I don't understand why they are limiting the randomization for everyone, wouldn't that be the perfect time to lock the number in the legacy version and allow more to the normal version. Or give us the ability to switch certain things off for lower-performing PCs. If they can only have these 5 likes/dislikes it is another point in the long list of disappointing updates.
This is a great idea. Especially since it seems they're never fixing the stair problem from the eco update. I'm so tired of having to delete the invisible railing.
@Izex Lia and Morgan are transgender NPCs.
@Izex Sorry, if i came off blunt. You can still demand more or different representation. You're right about the Heckings, they are rather stereotypical gay men with a dog.
Enthusiasm system from sims 2 : the more you do stuff, the more you like it and can discuss it in many ways with others and so on, should you stop doing it, it'll decrease.
@Izex what I love the most about sims 2 is that your own sim surprises you plus the NPCs.. like you’ll create a sim with a goal for them in mind and they’ll be like f u I do what I want.. and the random gender preference underlying in the game is awesome with the NPCs.. the base NPCs.. you’ll go into a family and you look at the likes and dislikes of attraction and discover like wow this guy/girl is gay. In my gameplay Dirk fell in love with another male that EA created who ended up being originally gay the way EA intended but it added so much story to my game because it’s like here’s Dirk with a gf and discovering his friend likes him as more than a friend and discovering he may actually be gay or bisexual. He’s in college right now and ready to really find out his preference and explore. It’s just a process you discover with your sim and that’s something that sims 4 will never have. I’ve played sims 2 so much and there’s still things I randomly discover that I’d never seen before - out of all these years!
I could see the appeal to go through all households in a world to give them unique likes and dislikes, if you play a small world like Forgotten Hollow. Like for storytelling but in any other case it would be a chore. Atleast for me. It's a shame that iconic townies don't have set likes and dislikes, because it would have been fun to see Vlad have a not so secret love for the organ and the color pink for example. Or maybe Elisa hates cooking and Bob loves it. I'm 100 % sure modders are working on it, but it shouldn't be like that. Was a little chaos too much to ask?
The problem is though, you can freely travel between all the worlds so even if you just play in Forgotten Hollow, you’ll still be inundated with sims that don’t have likes and dislikes
Something I noticed that even if you have a lot of packs, they didn't add every possible hobby to like or dislike, such as knitting or archaeology.
The problem here is the emotion system, it needs a total makeover.
They can’t though because it’s at the front of everything when it never should’ve been. It’s crazy how they thought emotion buffs should be the highlight and then having total control - no random chaos.. literally just all clay people was actually going to be entertaining long term. The worst sims title in the whole franchise IMO
And traits!! Basically the whole gameplay aspect because Sims 4 atm is basically a fancy build simulator.
For a moment there I thought this was going to be like the turn-ons and turn-offs from The Sims 2, but nah, they just re-added the favourites from The Sims 3 only not as good. And that was a low bar to meet, mind you, because I never found that my sims' favourites had much of an impact aside from clapping when eating their favourite food (which got kinda weird and awkward after a while). But townies not even starting out with them? And being limited in these ways? And you getting new ones by doing stuff in the right mood? Somehow, that's still a downgrade. Not that I'm surprised of course, but even from a lazy business standpoint, I think it would have been easier and more well-received to make the romance slightly less random and artificial as opposed to just adding a system that really only amounts to yet ANOTHER emotion buff/debuff entirely under the player's control.
I suspect that they are saving turn ons/off for a dating pack. It's seriously 'bout time. Hot Date was the only dlc I had for sims1, so dating is such an obvious add on.
@@somegenerichandle you know since it is a child game now, I really doubt there would ever be a dating pack...
I loved it in Sims 2 when Sims would meet and you could see the chemistry (or lack thereof) at work!
@@somegenerichandle but why should dating be a pack? Dating is a common thing and having to pay 20-40 bucks just to be able to have a more meaningful kiss between sims is kinda dumb
My sim got a sentiment the first time they met a sim.. They had some things in common and I didnt even know until my sim introduced herself and the sentiment popped up IN A MILLISECOND.. Sooo.. I think they did something right
Now I can make a Dance Machine that hates Dancing.
And with the snowy escape I can make a sim with ‘loves outdoor’ trait who also has an indoorsy lifestyle lol
@@Melody1474 well, people can be born one way, live another and become neurotic because of it.
Over 370 sims... here we go again.... I hate it when the game turns to a job.
Looks like they're going to be using players as testers once again.....
We're just unpaid beta-testers. That have to buy the game. To test it.
We are basically employed ba EA without being played. Actually, we give our money to them...
@@MischievousMischief how can you apply to do that ?
I've not even tried out the new update, because I've just got my hands on Sims 2 after more than a decade not playing it, so I don't really have time to be disappointed again in the Sims 4 😂😂
Good for you!! Have fun😃
Same! I just bought The Sims 3 again. I'm having way more fun playing it compared to TS4
@@MayLina Thank you!! 😄😄
@@xtrippylove The Sims 3 was my favorite! I still have it with all expansions, but sadly it murders my PC 😢
Seriously I’ve been playing sims 2 and there’s just so much to do 😅 currently playing with pleasantview and doing a rotation gameplay 🤣 I even added a mansion with a house full of witches. I love the fact that the game didn’t allow me to start out as a witch.. I made 1 of my sims befriend a witch (slightly romance them too) and then become a witch that way.. which in sims 2 is actually hard to do and takes time ! Not one outing and their friends in a night bs like sims 4.
My game keeps asking me to assign likes and dislikes based on activities for Sims that aren't even actively played on that lot. For example I had a birthday party with about 15 Sims and I kept getting pop ups telling me they seem to like dancing and if it should be set as a like for that Sim. I get why it's happening but it got annoying after a while.
This happens in my game too and I agree, It got old real quick for me.
The production quality on your vids is always top-notch. Stellar editing, you're always very informed, and the custom animations are **chef's kiss**
Thanks, Josh. I've climbed a mountain to get there with both stick figures and over-done transitions.
Sims Team: **introduces interesting game play concept into Sims 4** Also Sims Team: **half-asses implementation** This seems to be a recurring theme.
the likes / dislikes feature doesn’t even work for me lmao i’ll make my sims listen to kids radio yet they’re still bopping their head to it even doe THATS their dislike- it’s literally just another pointless trait
I noticed that too. My teen sim hates easy listening, and though she had a frown on her face and a negative moodlet, she was still bopping her head.
Why is there no animation showing a sim refusing to do something they don't like. They could cover their ears or try to drown it out if it's music they don't like or run out of the room exasperated. They should do unenthusiatic workouts if they dislike fitness. They also should not build skill in activities they don't like. Imagine a snarky pop up like "This sim hates cooking with a passion. They only want to do enough to live and even that's too much. As a result no points were gained in this skill" Stuff like that.
@@wayjinc2 why we gotta always think about improving the game lol
@@wayjinc2 because the sims team for some reason doesn’t like consequences in their game from interactions smh
Great Video! I hadn't even considered the problems you mentioned, that's... not great.The issue that the livestream brought up for me was that likes/dislikes are really affected by how broken the emotions system is (they had to cheat away all other moodlets for disliking an activity to have any effect). With that and the problems of NPCs I can't really see this update having much of a noticeable difference on gameplay.
Jesthor has learned the following preferences about Carl: * Dislikes Violin
Watch his videos on Discover University to find out why 😂
How did they forget foods/drinks? Plus the “color” like and dislike doesn’t affect my gameplay whatsoever
I am one of those people that religiously works on a "mother" save file so that townies have a personality (clubs, relationships, lifestyles, seasonal clothing, ...), but the idea of having to manually set likes and dislikes for -every- NPC in the game actually disgusts me lmao. Why can't the devs actually implement the features they release is my question.
Or, at the verrryy least, make it so that when you start a new save every sim is assigned preferences. If it can't be retroactive there are still some simmers who are willing to start new save files to play with the new feature. But no, not even that.
Damn. The most interesting part of this update was the idea of discovering townies with complementary likes/dislikes to my sim, and therefore having a reason to befriend some sims and not others. If they're still all the same then, what's the point?
Yea .. especially when you have to give each NPC their own like/dislike yourself or wait for pop-ups to bombard your screen asking you if you want so and so to like or dislike something.. from what I’ve read in these comments hah.
i appreciate how you always have captions as soon as the video is put out , it’s so helpful !!
Like the other comments before said, the Sims Team really need to update the default save for the pre-existing NPCs to have their own setup already, including: - Lore - Pre-defined skills (based from lore/sim history and expected personality) - Relationship setup (w/ family and probably other pre-existing sims as well) - Sentiments setup (I know sentiments ain't permanent but some people like to use pre-existing households) - Likes and Dislikes setup - Hot and Cold weather outfits (it's added to the base game anyway) Then just kinda randomize the skills and L&D for randomly generated NPCs. And probably add Iggy Pancakes to the Pancake house officially since they cannoned him in the trailer. Like literally just assign one person from the team to do the whole thing for a week or two and do the same thing every time they declare they have this "game-changing update for your sims".
in my current main save, I am in total-control-freak-storyteller-mode. so it's great, but I see the problem in other saves. it's a really weird choice and I hope it's performance- and not design-based... if only there was a ui kind of... element or panel that would enable people to choose or somehow change how the game performs... they could call it... idk... options or something...
I 100% think it's by design. They haven't even retroactively included any sentiments from any packs prior to SE or given any premade sim before Seasons hot and cold weather outfits.
@@wayjinc2 fair point
I love how you use Blender for the background effects, they look amazing.
Yeah, I can't be bothered to go through every townie and premade just to set their likes and dislikes. Pretty disappointing.
I get pop ups for non played households asking for permission on new likes and dislikes! Over all, I’m happy with the feature, as my NPS develop new likes/dislikes as my played Sims do.
Yeah Geoffrey Landgraab asked me like 3-5 times back to back about his preferences
This would get really annoying to me. I’d rather discover with my sim what other NPCs likes and dislikes are. Not be in total control over every NPC while playing my sim like that. They should be already programmed with them imo. Is there a way to turn off the pop-ups though?
Honestly while it's great that likes and dislikes affect their autonomy THIS is what traits are supposed to do! Why in the mighty world design a whole new system instead of fixing the one that already exists to do the exact same thing? It's infuriating and renders traits virtually redundant. If traits worked properly they would be able to be tied into likes and dislike. For example book worm sims would automatically like the reading hobby and maybe also dislike playing vidoe games, Natural cooks (or what ever TS4 equivalent is) would automatically like cooking ect. Then both systems would work altogether AND townies would all start out with likes and dislike based off their traits instead of being randomly assigned from a tiny list.
I was cautiously optimistic about the likes/dislikes system. So far it hasn't made a bit of difference in my game. Now I realize why. The only sim with likes and dislikes is mine. :(
I could go thro the townies and personalise them.... But I WANT RANDOMIZED CHAOS!!!! Lol
Me too! But Sims 4 is all about control so... feels like playing in a crystal ball with lifeless dolls.
@@MischievousMischief control and just the 'happily every after' style. It's so easy to get promoted at work, it's easy to make friends and Fall in love, easy to earn decent money. I want more debt, burglars and just general chaos. Lol
@@Katielovegood44 I need a bunch of additional traits that are more than just likes and dislikes. I need more whims too. And of course story progression!!!
I hadn't tested it that thoroughly, but I'm not surprised it's that surface. And of course "hey, they seem to like this" doesn't have any actual context to why they're in a positive mood.
I haven't missed anything, have I? Sim not reacting in any way to their favorite color? will he not react from clothes or decor around him? we are waiting for dlc to influence something
It seems it's the same old thing: They never go quite far enough with something. A concept might be good, but they don't spend enough time and energy on it to make it more interesting. I'll admit to being a control-freak. I almost always want total control over a town's population, right down to whether they can get a job or not.
i know its not great to have to rely on mods but i cannot wait to see what modders do with this system im sure it will not be hard and take this shell of a system they gave us and fill it out more into what we were all hoping for
This was a step in the right direction but yeah they need to work on this now. It wasn’t what I thought it was but I’m happy. Every time they add something golden to the game they have to go back and fix it! 😂😂😂 I feel like I’m playing dolls because I have to set up EVERY setting and scene for the sims I’m not playing with🤦🏾♀️
I'm kind of tired of them tailoring the game to people with the lowest performing computers. I don't think it should be where you need the best most expensive gaming computer to play it, but I also feel like limiting it to still being able to run on old and cheap laptops is really doing the rest of the players a disservice. It's just something to deal with that if you have a bad computer you might not be able to play more intensive games. And for the sims 4 to be more deep and complex like it should be then it needs to become more intensive on the system. Maybe they could have that laptop lite version of the game have it's own gameplay updates and packs? 🤷♀️ But the normal ones should work best for midrange computers and up so we can get the best game possible, instead of potato quality for potato computers for everyone
I don't think they care whether or not it's playable on bad computers. They aren't making it simple because of that. No, they're doing so out of laziness and knowing that people will buy the packs regardless. If they cared about making the game complex, they could still make it work since they've done it before. The only problem with the player base isn't their systems but instead their willingness to buy unfinished and half-assed products. It just keeps reinforcing the developers to stop trying to be creative. Regardless if someone has a good PC, they'll shell out these games expecting people to buy them anyways.
why do more when you can do less and charge the same amount of money for it covering it with bs like "it is for lower performing computers"
It's actually not very playable on lower performing computers anyway! My 3 year old, once upon a time medium performance laptop struggles. No, I agree with Erica this isn't about them tailoring to any specs or any particular audience either. It's lack of desire to improve the game via either lack of vision, laziness or lack of ability. The sims 4 gameplay is plainly uninspired.
Now I'm sad again :< I love this game so much but there's still so much left missing in it
See now had they put these features in the base game as they should’ve, every sim in every world would have more personality from the jump! This is like a quick fix to appease the community that wasn’t very well fleshed out.
Wow Sims team, you've done it again! Given us a new feature that is half complete. GG.
This was an excellent opportunity to increase the lore of the sims 4, adding likes / dislikes to each neighbor and townie in the game. I understand that EA would not want to modify the games for those who are already playing but if you start a new game the likes / dislikes should already be implemented. Another possibility would have been to add them on the web page as part of the description of each character, in this way if the player wants to implement it, he could determine what those likes / dislikes are and assign them to the corresponding character.
And there I'd had my hopes raised a little.....now back down to normal :/ I wanted the likes and dislikes to be like the earlier Sims game, whether they like or hate the other sims that they meet and not just related to house decorating and hobbies ffs
HATE = TENSE carefree + shameless traits = I will end this moodlet career...
I legit wanted to cry when i found out having dine out & the new pack doesnt give food likes or dislikes
So basically, shovelled out in hopes the modders will fix it.
I hope that the likes and dislikes can lead to turn ons and turn offs
This definitely needs to happen. I don't want to encourage them to rip off modders but they should probably have a look at a couple that have done this correctly. Or maybe previous titles.
@@CarlsSimGuides and then we will again must to set it all up ourselves haha...ha..ha....*nervous laugh* 😅
My sim got a close sentiment when they introduced themselves to a sim (and they literally had never met before) who had some things in common 🤯 I was actually pretty shocked tbh😅 DID THE SIMS TEAM ACTUALLY DO SOMETING RIGHT!?!?
I was in the gym and the game asked about NPC the like for the fitness
LOL! He says " What is going on? Why is it only these 5?" I laughed so hard. I logged in to test this system. I turned off all instruments, mischief, mixology & singing. I made sure to not have anything for a like to see if they would stop doing anything that was fun for them. It didn't work. It did work for instruments and them living all day at bar counters. The didn't interact with those objects and I was thrilled. The sims over emoting is annoying. Too bad they didn't add one for cleaning a desk non-stop or sim kids making a mess. Then before logging out I set 20 things to dislike just because I can. I see your point on limited npc likes and dislikes. Too me it's not that important except when they mix drinks all day long every single day. I wouldn't mind the instruments or signing if they had their own sound bar in settings and if I could just mute it. Certain appliances have mute options but the computer video games do not. It is a good start and does need more work for those who actually care about their fake people. I don't think they know what to do. They seem to want to improve the game but then get lazy with every project and make it worse. I hope it does pollute the town though. Then maybe the welcome wagon will stop showing up with that disgusting fruit cake if they all hated cooking / baking. Imagine being at the gym and all the sudden all the sims whip out a violin and play. Bahahahaha! I don't think it's intentional. I think they are a little stupid over there with a lack of communication and the time to test things out properly.
I just wanna say that I really appreciate that you point out both positives and negatives, and when you point out negatives you say what you would like to be improved, and you don't just write off the team as evil lazy hacks that are actively trying to ruin the franchise
Hi, Carl! I love your work. I would love to know your favorite packs. I'd love to watch you ranking them. As I'm more like yourself, more interested in game play not on building.
So glad you covered this and impressively quickly. This is one of the reason Carl is the first place I go for Sims news. You've well prepared me for avoiding game play I wouldn't like. The biggest immediate positive reaction about Likes & Dislikes (for me): Control over sim behavior if there's a bug related to an action. The auto cooking was driving me crazy and, while it was fixed, if there's any future bug I have one more lever to try to stop the madness. Biggest downside (for me): I'm a "control freak" and I exhaust myself. I get so caught up on just naming sims let alone everything else in CAS. Side notes: I hope to see the return of having a favorite food.
Can't believe they didn't even bother giving known townies proper fitting likes and dislikes. The hell?
i Can't wait for modders to expand this feature lol
Ey I've never been this early before, but I can already tell this'll be an awesome video!
Edit: It was, but now I'm mildly infuriated >:(
and I get to share my frustration which is incredibly cathartic. Thanks for watching :P
@@CarlsSimGuides Absolutely lol, and no worries, thanks for making these!
This does make gameplay more interesting, so I'm pleased, Now considering using music streams to take the happy gloss off a few sims and make things more interesting :)
I agree. I feel it's a gr8 step in the right direction and yet they have to keep working on it and refining it.
thanks for this. I never would’ve guessed that would even be an issue... but seeing people play with a pack is an absolute requirement before I buy any anymore because there are always issues and “features” that turn out to be not as good as expected
I'm a control freak. I destroyed my Sims world and remade everything and every townie because I want to eventually release my creation into the Simsverse 😈 This new update helps but I agree it needs more polish. Where is the clothing preferences, why don't these likes and dislike correlate with making friends or enemies or partners, why can't the likes improve the sims day and the dislikes ruin a sims day, why is the randomized feature in asking townies not based off of their personality 🤔 There was so much good quality content they fudged up. Missed opportunity 😕
Turbodriver already had a way to randomly assign likes and dislikes to all Sims in your save, for his attraction system for Wonderful and Wicked Whims. I don't remember if it includes hobbies/skills, but it can assign likes/dislikes for every possible aspect of a sim, down to body type and favorite colors, to every townie and NPC in your save. Developers - I know you're under a lot of pressure. But if he already did it over a year ago, there's no excuse this time. The NPCs didn't have to be blank canvases. You could've given us a choice to randomize them. Once again, if I play (I'm playing Sims 2 right now), I'll be in offline mode, waiting for our talented modders to fix it.
Turbodriver is a legend
The Sims Team letting us down again! Go figure!!
I knew they would let us down again.
Ok, so I've been playing the game since last night, and I also have noticed some things. I went to update my sims that were in that particular save and one of them was my Batuu character. I found that there is not an option under the music for the Batuu channel. Now, I know lots of people don't like Journey to Batuu, but I do play it and I can't even have them like the music for it. There are other things but I'm not going to go too far into it. Because I found another issue with the update. The bunkbeds. So, yeah, we can now place desks under the loft bed, but not a lot of the decorations and not single tile tables which are what I usually use for my sims computers. You can put a whole big desk but not a small table. Overall, I have to say that my initial fears were realized. Based on what you found and I found, it is NOT working with all the expansions. And so once again they only go about halfway. I keep being told "don't blame the sims team" and "things are changing in Maxis just wait" but over and over things are just halfway. I'm frickin' tired of halfway every time I get excited about something. My birthday is in a couple weeks and I'm pretty sure someone is buying the new pack for me. Now I'm not sure if I even want it.
UGH- I was so excited for this update! Not setting up the NPCs is a big letdown
Thank you for captioning this as I am deaf. There is something that concerns me is that I dont see any record of discovered likes and dislikes for non player sims. I check their sims profile and see the discovered traits listed but not their discovered likes and dislikes. I understand that the interior decorator career does list some in the gig when you give an interview but only for that gig. Hope in the future that they record the discovered likes and dislikes in the sims profiles.
Hey, I don't know if it makes a diff to you, but my sim is getting to know Morgyn the realm of magic guy, and so he's spending a lot of time at our place - the game went through the thing where you get to choose whether a sim likes an activity - for him, and he's not my sim! I thought it was odd, but I'll take it?
EA introduces something… and then it turns out to be broken in some way.
I assume there will be some mod eventually, possibly an extension to or favorite story progression mod, to automate randomizing likes and wants of the townies. (Once the modders have finished fixing whatever this patch has broken in existing mods.)
I'm guessing this is something they'll come back to like they did with bunk beds. They just got it out there and will continue to improve on it.
There was an update that was terrible to the gameplay. Non controlled Sims out of your household not being automatically at work or school. Now, Cassandra and Alex are around my households at 11am in weekdays. An update I would like is adding NPCs as workmates. What's the point of flirting with a workmate if they don't exist? Also, adding the option of the partner to visit your Sim and discover their lover without controlling them. What's the point of not knowing your classmates?
I thought I could use that to properly fix the autonomy of my sims in their free-time. Play videogames -> Troll on the forums -> Exercise (I haven't removed my coffee machine). So I put them all in Dislikes one by one. It kinda worked early on. After that... they decided not to touch other activities, got bored from time to time and then did the same actions above even tho they don't like them. So it feels kinda pointless unless there is some sort of invisible limit I don't know about. (Also apparently there is a bug/feature when Perfectionist would scrap finished paintings on his own now. Not selling excellent paintings - scrapping them altogether.)
This was not my experience. Yesterday I downloaded someone else's save file and so now I have no original townies. My playing kept getting interrupted with messages asking me to decide about random sims' likes and dislikes. It was pretty annoying since my sim didn't even know them. I believe the "Message Folder is Full" is occurring more often with all these new packs, kits and updates.
Rocket science is most definitely in the list of activities. It's even in your video footage at 1:47. It's just a different icon. Not sure why they did that, but it's there.
Another awesome video Carl. Thank you 💖
Thanks for being one of the most objective and informative reviewer of this game. Cindy's review was great as well. Personally, I feel this is a big step to the game, but it should have been added like extra secondary traits instead. That would have meant more traits like in Sims 3. For example, a Sim that hates cooking will have more changes of eating non properly cooked food and get sick or burn the kitchen. This system based in emotions will ruin my stories about Sims painting after a friend passed away. People have hobbies to improve their mood, not to begin hating them. I hope EA or modders change it or at least having the option to delete it in your game.
For expanding likes and dislikes in the future I’ve got an idea of two Food types and fashion If you have Dine Out you’ll notice that the custom menu has different categories of food and drink. For drinks the categories are: Cold, Hot, Fruit, Fizzy, Nectar, and Misc For appetizers and mains: Grains, Meat, Vegetarian, Seafood, and Misc And dessert has: Cakes and Pies, Chocolate, Fruit and Misc This means that there’s already code for sorting food into this specific categories. So in the future if they can’t give us the option to pick a favorite food they might be able to give us the option to like and dislike certain categories of food. Like a sim could like chocolate, dislike seafood, and love fizzy drinks and so on. It could be great for role playing as it enables different dietary habits so sims can be presbyterian or vegan of their own choice or a bread or chocolate lover. One could even make a sim “wine mom” with the nectar option I could go but basically it could give sims a whole range of foods to eat but still let’s them be a bit picky. Now fashion is a lot simpler, in CAS there’s an option under the tags called style. This is list of fashion categories considering of Basics, Polished, Preppy, Rocker, Country, Hipster, and Boho If used for likes and dislikes this could make sims more likely to wear their preferred style, make them uncomfortable when wearing their most hated style, and add new depth to social interactions by having sims specifically compliment other sims in their preferred style or insult sims in their hated style. It could be fun but for now it just a thought.
I've tested this, too, I got pop-ups for likes/dislikes for my played Sims' acquaintances & friends when they were visiting or hanging out together and they did acquire the corresponding likes & dislikes. So at least the townies I interact with so get some "personality". Hopefully they'll fix the new profile bug in the next update, too .. 🙄
They really need to create a check box with "I play on a potato" for those of us actually playing on a good pc are constantly not punished for those on a potato.
Now if there was only some kind of gameplay mechanic where a sim can develop specific whims based on their mood and personality. That sure would be an interesting system to refine and tie into a sim's likes and dislikes, as opposed to -- purely speaking hypothetically here -- botching the implementation and leaving it turned off in the options by default.
i Played my sim for 8 hours today to test this new feature, and as i play with autonomy always 'on' i found my sim acted waaaay les illogicaly and it was nice to see the liking this activity thought bubbles when they 'chose by themself to logicaly go and do somthing they enjoy' , after 8 hours definatly liking the more logical autonmy very much , as Carl said the townies are still playing prety much the same , but so far im just happy my sims now seems to at least have half a brain FINALLY :D
Here is my main problem with sim 4 personality. You can basically friend or romance almost any sim if you do enough work. The devs try a bunch of things to differentiate them but in the end, all the Sims feel similar.
I have the rocket science option with just the update (no pack) on every character, was this fixed?
Also if your Sim dislikes an activity and you have carefree the won't ever have any tense moodlet so it's kinda let down, the will complain about it but still be happy, it's a major let down. Carefree is an extremely overpower trait for any sim, vampires as well won't have any tense moodlet if the have negative purk, cause carefree pretty much remove any tense moodlet
I thought this was going to happen. I asked Guru Ninja if it was going to be like that on Twitter, he didn't answered me. Thanks for testing it out. I don't wanna put like and dislikes into every NPC on my gameplay, I'm disappointed but not surprised that they, again, didn't went back into every pack and NPC neighborhood and set those up...