In this Sony A7R V vs Sony A1 comparison, we'll see which camera is the best for photographers looking for high-quality photos and videos, and if the AI-based autofocus is the best in the market.
The Sony a1 is the company's flagship, but in many ways the Sony a7R V outperforms it. Is the a7R V the new Sony flagship, and what do these features mean for the future of Sony cameras?
00:00 Introduction
00:35 Tech Specs
01:28 Is the A1 Still The Flagship?
02:01 Sony Adds Features Across The Lineup
02:49 Sony Doesn't Wait To Roll Out Features
03:20 Which Camera Should You Buy
04:46 Comparisons
05:17 Purchase Advice
06:08 Conclusions
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Great video. I'm glad I stumbled on your channel a couple of videos ago. I am planning to get an A7R V as soon as possible (Maybe wait for the open box sales after the holidays. I got my A1 as an open box so less of "the price pain, the price pain.) The tilt & flip screen will be great for macro and nature photos. I don't bend like I used to in my younger days. Plus there is focus stacking now in the camera. The Insect AF will be great for photos of bees on flowers. Right now with an A1 it is more spray and pray that a few shots are in focus. The A1 Live Tracking is great, with the subjects it is designed for. The A7R V is more "one focusing system to focus on them all." If Sony Alpha Rumors is to be believed, this could be an interesting spring for new Sony cameras. So maybe I should wait to see if there is an A9 gen 3 with the AI focusing.
It sounds like you're doing exactly the shooting this was designed for and the resolution in this camera is hard to beat for macro work. Check out my review of the tamron 50-400. It was a surprisingly amazing macro lens. It's not the 90mm Sony, but the close focus distance is insane. m.kzhead.info/sun/g6h9abyOoaCJn58/bejne.html
I currently have A7RIV, A1 and A7SIII, so I am covered for all I need to do as a photojournalist now. I will wait for the next gen A1 to see where they take that. I love the stacked sensor I had in my former A9, and the second gen stacked sensor in my current A1. I am not giving up the A1 read speed and fps speed, and true silent shooting with flash sync in electronic shutter too. I shoot all subjects around the world, and I find the A1's Bird Eye-AF works great for both BIF and nesting birds. And I am sure the next gen A1 will have all the AI AF of the A7RV. I still use my A7RIV for landscapes and some portrait work, and use both the A7SIII and A1 for hybrid video work. I have been in this business for over 50 years as a pro using every brand and every format and every iteration of gear, and it is truly amazing how far we have come with gear and its capabilities. Thanks for all you do Dave, keep it up.
I too can't wait for an a1 II. It's going to be killer. Thanks for the compliment about my videos much appreciated!!
@@davetriesthis well deserved, cheers
Totally agree! Great review and information!
Thank you so much for taking the time to say that!
As an a9 user, I will wait for the a1 to get these AI features eventually. Speed by stacked sensor and fps is everything, when you are used to it, you don’t go back! Thanks for the comparison!
I'm waiting for that too but I grab the different cameras for different subjects. I would have taken the a7R V to Africa with me if it had been out. The animal eye and bird af is so good, and it turns out animals in Africa aren't moving fast enough for 30 fps unless you're lucky enough to see a kill happen by a big cat. Most sports I'm still opting for the a1. From skateboard and faster I'd go a1 still. Agreed though this will be amazing when it's in the a1!
Is there a new Sony a1 coming out?
But the ai feature uses an ai physical chip to calculate those numbers. I dont think sony a1 would get ai features as its current chip may not be able to compute those ai numbers?
I would like to see a Sony a9iii with 33 megapixels, a fully articulating screen as in the A7RV and focus stacking.
You'll be waiting forever. Sony don't really do serious FW updates like Nikon
Great comparison and suggestions. Thanks for sharing your valuable thoughts.
I really appreciate you saying that.
Great video with gobs of pertinent information, as well as easy to understand. Thank you.
Wow you just made my day. Thank you!!
Thanks for the review. Will wait for Soy to roll all the features from the A7R V & more into the A1 II in the future solely for the ability to fire the flash with electronic silent shutter and excellent EVF. d
Wonderful review, just subscribed. Do you have any thoughts for a stills shooter who works only handheld in very low light (architectural detail in the upper reaches of medieval cathedral vaults, works on paper in dimly lit museums, etc). I need to replace my a7riii but could wait a little longer. Frame rate is obviously not an issue for me as the paintings stay still. And I assume the improved ibis in the rv will now be included in the (assumed) a1 upgrade and but wondering if an updated camera with a stacked sensor is worth waiting for in my use case. ISO, color, and dynamic range are critical for my work. All thoughts most welcome.
Thank you so much for the nice words and the subscribe! If the resolution is high enough I would recommend the a7sIII. With the 12mp resolution the dynamic range is excellent, I shot that visible comet a few years ago handheld and low noise and super clear. And you could use pixelshift for higher res shots.
Greetings from Thailand. Excellent video and a great job explaining the differences of said cameras.
Thanks much! I miss Thailand. How is it these days? :)
Dave, thanks for this video! Currently shooting A7R3 and considering A7R5 if for nothing else, more megapixels. I shoot almost exclusively birds and wildlife and sometime would love to have more megapixels so I cant pull those very distant subjects in and have the megapixels to crop in post and have a good image. Am I not understanding this right? Is the A7R5 going to increase my keeper rate if resolution were the only factor? Waiting to pull the trigger on a the upgrade. Thanks!
Thanks for watching. Yes you're right that you'll get much more ability to crop in. And even if the resolution weren't the only concern the advanced AI animal and bird eye detect will increase hit rates. Check out my a7cR review. That's the same sensor and AI as the a7rv kzhead.info/sun/aKasgZhujX5mepE/bejne.htmlsi=_ogddWivQKQIZFl5
Hi thanks for your video. I was wondering have you had quite bad rolling shutter for video on this camera? Especially 4K 30 or 60?
I have to do my final video tests before I post my next video but in my casual tests it's slightly better than the a7rIv, which isn't really saying much. :)
Thank you! You gave me food for thought! Having the a7 iv I’ve been wanting a second body and will wait for the perfect camera I actually want. In the meantime I will rent a second body when needed to cover an event such as a wedding. Would love the a7 V just wish it was Stacked with faster frames rates and less rolling shutter. 😊
Glad it was helpful! I wish more people thought about renting gear. It's a great way to have a second body for a job without investing.
I own Sony A1 and now A6700. I never had any issue with my Sony A1 af . It’s awesomely fast and eye af is perfect. I only have complaints regarding non existence bird eye af in video mode. Bird eye af in still mode is awesome even without AI chip.
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Thanks for thinking like a normal user, you touched allot of questions and answers, For a content creator and an occasional wedding shooter/vacantion trips what camera do you recommend that will be the best ? i was thinking FX3 for studio work since its good in low light and the a7RV for the photo shootings and also the B camera for studio, what do you think ? or shall get only the A7RV and forget about the FX3 ? Or shall i get the FX3 and wait for a better A1 or the next A7RVI ?
My pleasure. I'm glad you got some value out of the review. In my career I've always tried to review gear in context of who the target user is. Lots of questions about gear here and really no bad choices. If you want to do a full discussion of this check out my one-on-one video consulting. withyou.how (use coupon ytcomments for 25% off). I assume when you say content creator it's mostly video. The a7R V gives you almost everything that the a7S III has, though with obviously not as good low-light capabilities. If you're recording mostly in studio, then the a7R V is going to do everything an FX3 can do, except and 120p or 240p footage. And it's great for wedding and travel, since you can save at different raw sizes for different jobs. If you're shooting in HDR or HLG or Rec 209 standard range will determine some of what would be a good B camera along with your b-camera uses.
How does the a1 vs a7r5 compare in low light for photo and video?
This is exactly the video I have been looking for. I am wondering of rollling shutter is at all a factor and in how many actual real life fast action situations would it be? I shoot portraits and action animals. I do some vodeo as well. Thanks
I was able to shoot birds in mechanical shutter without rolling shutter. I also shot cyclists, even doing intentional panning, and had no rolling shutter. I did have some crop up in some places. Some portraits had it but I think it was a communication issue with the lens. I go over rolling shutter in my full review. kzhead.info/sun/esaJmMV9rmSQf5s/bejne.html
Great Video David. What is the best camera for shooting ridden horses (for analysis of gaits and riders' ability to follow movement)? I would so much appreciate your input on this. (I have a Sony 7II basic, use at times a Sony7RII but have a now collected good set of glasses ready to be used on my dream camera!). I was nearly buying the A1 then saw your video. So clear, and so precise, thank you for this.
The Sony a1 has the best general autofocus right now. The Sony a7rv has the best specific animal tracking but lacks the frame rate of the a1 and suffers from rolling shutter. So if the horses are moving faster than capturing them at about 8fps get the a1. I have to imagine the a1 will be updated this year though. So o don't know your timing. Thanks for the good words in my video! You made my day!
Hi, thanks for the good info! You mentioned quickly that the a7RV has better bird AF than the a1. Did you experience this first-hand? Just wondering how much better. I've always had issues with bird AF on my a1 when there's low contrast backgrounds. Thx!
Glad you have an A1 so this is easier to describe. The A1 has a more advanced sensor and more powerful (generally) processor. It's able to do 120 calculations a second in order to do AF. The stacked CMOS sensor makes it incredibly fast, so the processor is always getting a flow of info. The a7R V has a processor and then the AI processor, and much of the AF subject recognition work is offloaded to that AI processor. That system is better at recognizing and detecting subjects. it's better at recognizing them in a variety of conditions as well, and of recognizing something like an eye very far away. For overall AF the a1 can maintain track better when it's got something (often) due to the 120 calculations per second, so many times it comes out equal. But first recognition of subject I find the a7R V superior.
Awesome video. Thank you!
Thank you so much!
Hi Dave, loved the video, very informative, just subscribed! I'm a 15 years Canon shooter about to switch to Sony (tired of the low choice and high prices in RF lenses - Canon lost me) I shoot a lot of photos and videos in dark places (clubs). Would you say the new a7RV is on par with the A7sIII in terms of low light ability? The A7sIII is famous for great low light, but I also shoot musician portraits on the road so I don't like the 12MP resolution. If the A7rV is on par for low light photos and videos, then it could be the perfect fit for me, as I could use it for daytime/studio portraits as well. Much appreciate your insight on this !
The a7S III will be a lot better in low light, from a resolution and image quality standpoint. I'm not sure if the AF on the a7R IV would be better than the a7S III in that particular shooting environment. It would be on paper, but it would quickly become a liability based on its high-resolution-therefore-noisy sensor. Rolling shutter is also a much bigger concern with the a7R V. Thank you for the good words on my content, much appreciated.
Hi Dave, thank you for your video! Could you test whether the A7R5 was prone to banding in LED-light when using the electronic shutter? As I am doing lots of event work, this has been my main reason to get the A9II which handles these situations mostly admirably. I actually do no care about the fast frame rate at all. I am always at 5pfs unless there I have a really difficult speaker at the podium, only looking up every 2 minutes. In these cases I switch over to 10fps to increade my chances to get a decent speaker shot if he looks up finally.
I will check as soon as the review unit comes back to me, absolutely. What I can say right now is that there's flicker reduction settings in the menu for auto and manual control. But I'll be happy to check that out.
@@davetriesthis Hi Dave, Thank you so much! (Just subscribed to your channel 🙂) I guess this bit of information (can the A7R5 replace a A9II if you do not need anything faster than 10fps) would help a lot of wedding and event photographers out there. Looking very much forward to your video!) Kind regards. Frank
@@franknurnberger1102 The A1 is still the better choice there, the A7RV can't do anti-flicker when shooting in silent mode... it's sensor readout speed is too slow. As a matter of fact the A7RV has the slowest readout speed of any of Sony's cameras whereas the A1 has the fastest readout speed. For what you are doing the A7RV is still not going to cut it, you need to either get an A1, wait for the A9III, or keep your A9II.
@@JeremySmithPhotography Thank you Jeremy. I got myself a lightly used A1 recently. A wonderful camera. The mechanical shutter is divine. The reduced viewfinder projection (size reduction to 90%) is really helpful if you are wearing spectacles. However, even with downsampling, my A9II seem to have less noise at really high ISO and I do actually not need all the 50MP in 99% of my use cases.
I love the look of the new rear LCD on the RV as I hate the flip out screen on my A7iv. I'll wait for the A9MKiii to replace my ageing A9MKi . I don't mind if they keep the A9MKiii at 24mp as long as that results in better Hi ISO
Yeah, that's green is actually my favorite thing about the new camera, I can't wait for an A1 Mark or an 9 nine mark three
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks for the compliment!
Thank you for this comparison, it was outstanding and hit on just what I needed Unicorn focus, my current camera keeps catching the horn leaving the body unsharp!
Yeah they're tricky because of the horn and because the rainbows around them are so bright. 🌈
Is the frame rate on the a7rv something that can be improved upon/increased with a firmware update?
Not the mechanical frame rate for sure. The frame rate of silent is likely dictated by read speed of the sensor and rolling shutter if the fps weren't limited to 7. So likely the frame rate is already limited by software but it's for image quality. 10fps of jello footage wouldn't be great. Personally I'd love to see a higher frame rate on an aps-c crop
What do I get sony a7r 5 vs sony a9iii
Thank you for this video. I did order the A7RV and sold off my A7IV and A7RIV so its a cost neutral solution. Hope it can do the job of both of those cameras. May also sell one of my two Alpha 1 since I really don't need two cameras for capturing birds in flight and do want to see how the new capabilities play out. Originally had the A7IV and A7RIV before getting a second used Alpha 1 but kept them because at time their unique features were still valued. Hopefully the new RV will provide those same capabilities for portraits,, landscape, and events.
I think you'll likely sell the alpha 1. I wonder if they'll do sales on them at Christmas, could lower your resale value. Maybe if an a1 II comes out you can sell the a1 and a7V for cost neutral on that.
Definitely a1 ii 🤣 or simply a 1 2 .. my dad goes mad how you remember all these model numbers
Really interested in how RV colors compare to A1. Did really like A7IV colors I think and had heard that from others. Assume Alpha 1 II could get improved as well. Other than that they have all the capabilities I need.
@@GameProgrammer79 man I've been remembering model names since the nikon F with FTN head. My first dslr was d8008.
A really useful video that’s helped my thought process. Can anyone say how the A7R5 autofocus for birds works when they are at range and moving against a dark background?
It's great. I photographed a hawk at several hundred yards with a 600mm sigma without IS on by accident. While my images were garbage due to lens shake I could see the camera focusing relentlessly. Hawk dove and swooped after a large insect and it followed the hawk as it folded its wings and dove. At that distance the a1 would do just as well at the object though occasionally with more problem against a dark sky. Since very far away the bird is a moving shape the a1 tracks incredibly well while the a7Rv tracks the shape of the bird better though at a slower frame rate.
I'll go for the A1 solely for the rolling shutter, I hope in the near future Sony would consider putting in a global shutter for their video-centric camera and their flagships. I also believe that all cameras now MUST be a hybrid camera, whether we like it or not, video will play an important role in our life.
There aren't any global shutter full frame or aps-c sensors. Sony can't put one in because it may be a long time till that's a thing. The only global shutter Sony video cameras have a 2/3" sensor. 35mm is 1.38"
@@davetriesthis There's one for large format though. Imx661.
@@davetriesthis While not from Sony you can't forget about the global shutter sensor in the Red Komodo cinema camera which is super 35 (APS-C). Sony may come out with a larger global shutter sensor sooner than we think. 😉
@@davetriesthis amazing the difference a year can make in technology!
For someone upgrading from an entry level Canon t6i, would the A7R V be suitable for dog action photography? I know I will see a total difference with the tracking and auto focus. I've been debating between these two cameras and have heard really great things about the A7RV but the A1 is the A1. Love your review and subscribed. Thanks!
They'll both be such a world better than what you're shooting it'll be like the scene in wizard of oz where everything goes from black and white to color. Thanks for the good comments on the channel!!
Your channel has started way better than mine did. 😂 Good work, Dave!!
To be fair I've been in the business a loong time as a reviewer and magazine editor. I'm able to embed my videos on Petapixel and my friends Tony and Chelsea and Fro have been advising me. Also check out this craziness. Technically I've been doing this for 13 years. kzhead.info/sun/iNWwhtGnbXevZJE/bejne.html
@@davetriesthis haha!! You've convinced me to buy the Mamiya DL28.
Do you know when (or if) the A1 II is coming out?
The "if" is easy. Yes, Sony will update the a1. When is harder to say. But it will be two years old in January.
Hi, I'm curious, which of the two cameras has the most photos in focus (at the same burst speed) when a subject quickly walks towards or away from the camera. I have already seen more than 10 reviews, but no one has done this test yet. It would be fantastic to seen this. I think maybe the most interesting test...
Soon as I get it back I'll do a side by side.
Actually walking to and away isn't a great test for a mirrorless motor lens. The linear motors are designed to move rapidly back and forth so to and away is pretty easy. The tests with people popping into and out of the frame algae harder. Fwiw I just did 547 casual portrait shots at f1.2 on the 50 GM and they're all in focus aside from when the subject turned rapidly during a frame. 557 picks with eye detection at f/1.2
@@davetriesthis that's insane!
You deserve more subs, may success of that never corrupt your quality though, like with others
Perhaps the nicest comment I've ever gotten. Thanks.
Good video . At last someone understands the capabilities of cameras with a stacked vs. non stacked sensor.
It's kind of an important difference. :)
I just purchased the a7R V because the A7R IV did a horrible job tracking birds and wildlife. I met a photographer today at a migrating site and he said he gets great shots with the A1 and thus considered returning my A7R V (three days old) before the 30 day return window and exchange it for the A1. This video is exactly what I needed! Thank you!!
Glad it helped. To be clear, the a1 will keep up with flying birds amazingly well, and does a great job at picking out a bird against the sky and most backgrounds. However the a7RV can pick out a bird's eye in crowded bushes and at amazing distances. If you're only capturing birds in flight, the slower frame rate will hinder you with the a7RV, but if you're looking to capture the eye of a bird at a super-wide aperture rate, the a7RV will be great. I just took the a7CR to Brazil and it has the same sensor as the a7RV. If you go through this you can see exactly what it does with birds. kzhead.info/sun/aKasgZhujX5mepE/bejne.html Migrating birds in flight, A1. Migrating birds in a tree waaayyyy over there, a7RV. Until an a1 Mark II comes out (which I hope is really soon.)
That is interesting, but not surprising. I am still using an A7Riii for BIF and doing fairly well with it, but I really want to upgrade. Every review I have seen on the A7Rv has not recommended it for BIF or as a wildlife camera. It is just too slow. In every other sort of shooting it would be amazing. So, I have resisted buying it hoping that the A9iii would be the answer. That was finally released a couple of days ago and it is still 24mp and has a super fast global shutter so not enough resolution for BIF cropping. Sony also raised the price to within a couple of hundred dollars of the A1 !!! I am now looking for a good used A1.
@@PhilT993 check my video on thr a7cr. Same sensor as thr a7rv and I used it for wildlife in Brazil
@@davetriesthis Thanks Dave. Looks like an amazing trip!. I have decided that my next camera should have a high-res stacked sensor. In Sony that leaves only the A1. The Nikon Z8 is interesting, but I don't really want to switch brands.
I haven’t used the A7RV, but I’ve had my A1 for 2/3 months and I have to say I love it! The stacked sensor is brilliant as is 30FPS when you need it. If Sony expand the subject auto focus that would be fantastic e.g. car, train etc
Definitely won't happen with the a1 itself, it's missing the AI processor that enables the advanced subject tracking. But an a1 II when it comes out will definitely have it.
I get the A1 doesn’t have the AI chip, but surely there is a way to implement it utilising a firmware update. Canon R5 received an update which enabled it to have vehicle auto focus, so I feel it should still be possible. Let’s see.
@@jcvdvandd There is not. The AI based focusing is performed ON the AI chip. Without one of those on the motherboard, the camera physically cannot do what the cameras with the AI chip can do.
Is the autofocus equal or better then the A1? Thinking of selling out the a1 for it… I will miss the 4k120 but I hardly use it anyways, I just can’t stand the horrible screen on the a1!
I have the A9 and the V. I use the V for still life and "art" images, the A9 for action images. I know the V has the insect, etc recognition but I still like using them as I do.
Great way to use them. Do yourself a favor though and take the a7rv on an action shoot and set the recognition target for the subject you're shooting. It's not as fast to follow the target but more accurate. It'll be an interesting side by side. Report back if you don't mind.
@@davetriesthis absolutely!!!
The A1 is my go to in my bag - I bought it 2 months ago and it’s not let me down yet. All of my glass is GM and G.
It won't ever let you down. I was going to say that camera is like a tank in reliability but because of the performance it's more like a fighter jet.
I am using a Canon system, DSLR and mirrorless, only the R5 does not like Sigma glass, it seems to defocus images. I am seriously considering an A7Rv with a Sigma MC11. Only I am wary of how it will affect the autofocus. As a retired professional I now do mainly wildlife and landscape. It is just the price tag holding me back, only as you mentioned the autofocus is better than the mk4 and the tilt screen is a must.
Sigma with the MC11 will work better on Sony than on canon but it's still going to be pushing a DSLR lens, so it won't be as fast as native glass or the sigma lenses deigned for the Sony system specially. But faster than the R5 for sure.
@@davetriesthis I tried out the Sigma 150-500 with MC 11 on an A7Rv and was really disappointed with the results, true it snapped into focus quickly, but looking at the files they were seriously soft. Admittedly it was bad weather, seriously high ISO, but it rather put me off Sony. I realise I was not using Sony glass, but it should not make that much difference, there is a limit to lens sharpness, but not much variation, in fact a DSLR lens on mirrorless should be sharper.
Really love the way you do a comparison without price, everyone else seems focused on value for money, whereas for me I just want to know which is best camera first, and then 2nd once I know think about whether I can afford it or see personal value in it. You say ''there will be a camera with better implementation of the AI auto focus and that camera will probably be coming in first half of 2023'' - what do you mean by this? An upgrade to A1?
Thanks for the compliment! I find price is really relative to people and everyone knows their budget. If you're a millionaire the price of the a7R V means nothing. If you have no money it doesn't matter how cheap something is. I think price is valuable when comparing two similar things like say two 85mm lenses, but it's not always the deciding factor. By something coming I simply mean it feels unlikely that Sony would do an overhaul to the AF on a camera that's perhaps least impressive with it and not update things that have been out for a long time. That a9 for instance needs an update to stay competitive with the EOS R3. This new AF and 30-40 fps would make for an impressive competitor. An a1 II has to come at some point too. The flagship now doesn't have the best AF in the lineup. That's weird.
@@davetriesthis thanks a lot for the quick reply, I am using sony A7iii for quite a long time and am due an upgrade, i would love the faster fps of the A1 with everything else on the A7rV as not that interested in video capabilities but love AF features of the A7RV
WAIT FOR A1ii? I currently have a7iv and I want to shoot 8k. I’m only shooting video, not much photography, video shooting mostly for bodybuilding competitions so detail and quality of video is the most important in order to see muscular detail and skin tones etc I was thinking about the a7rv but I think I understand that the a1ii will have better 8k capability Is this correct? Should I wait for a1ii? Thank you for your great content 🙏💪
Thanks for the compliment! No one knows what the a1 II, when/if it comes out will have, but as the flagship I feel it's safe to assume it'll have at least the same 8K capabilities as the a7RV and a7S III. But there's no way to know exactly what Sony is planning. 8K will definitely have higher resolution than 4K (cause, you know, that's the definition of 8K) though I'm not sure how much of that will be able to be brought to bear for competitions. With almost no 8K displays available, final output will still be in 4K, so the resolution mostly helps with cropping and reframing. A 16-bit raw HDMI out at 4K is a massive amount of color data, and I'm not sure I'd wait for a new camera specifically for 8K. But this all depends on any specs from Sony with an a1. Currently I'd prefer 4K 60/10-bit or 16-bit to 8K.
Why did you say wait at 5:30? Is there a new alpha 1 coming out?
I said if you're not in a rush you might want to wait because now the a7rv has a technically better AF than Sonys flagship and better video AF as well. There's only so long they can let that be the case. They can't update any of the other cameras except maybe the a9 with better AF than their flagship and still sell the flagship.
I have heard many mention that due to A1 does not have a "dedicated AI processor" on the A7RV therefore many not be possible to have the same level of subject recognition capability upgraded. "See it to believe it" is my model so I went through the teardown photos of A1, A9 II and A7RV and examined the motherboard chip layouts and found them to be mostly identical. Imagine Sony may just make one motherboard and turn features on and off to save production cost like Tesla? Then I re-watched the product announcement video for Sony A1 and found in the section of Real-time Eye AF at 9:54 and 10:41 both were mentioned by Sony on how improved A.I. technology is been implemented into A1 for subject recognition to work with the system that tracks and focus at 120/s. I think the A1 does have the A.I. chip built in and most likely runs on a fast clock speed to accommodate the 120/s calculation so it is most likely able to implement the same or higher level of subject resonation through firmware. It really just depends on Sony's willingness to add them into the new A1 firmware to keep their top customers happy. The fact is that most A1 owners with A7RV A.I. recognition ability will most likely buy the A1 II without second thought if it comes with a Global shutter sensor anyway so Sony really have nothing to worry about.
I think you are misunderstanding what they said at the announcement. The a1 does not have the dedicated AI processor and it cannot have the functions of that AI professor. Thr a1 *did* benefit from AI, at least within a broad definition. To develop that AF Sony used machine learning, feeding a huge number of images into the system to train them to recognize different subjects. This information was stored sort of like an encyclopedia, a database the of the subjects possibly encountered. Machine learning itself isn't AI. The AI processor is not that database but likely not full blown AI either. The AI processor on the camera does real time interpretation of the af data. It's not exactly clear what it specifically is doing to improve the autofocus but it's part of the processing pipeline and not just instructions.
Follow up question. If you have the A1 already would you even bother to consider an A7RV if you didn’t need a flippy screen for vlogging? Sure there is some more resolution and a better quality rear LCD and IBIS improvements but it’s tough to decide if that’s enough. I value your feedback. Thank you. Just subscribed!
Thank you for subscribing! It really depends on what you're shooting. Though it's much more complicated than it used to be because the af on the a7rv is so so good. I'm about to do more animal photograph tests but so far bird eye has been a massively high hit rate. Edit: but the short answer is no.
I shoot with the A1 and the A7R IV. I mostly use my A1 and when I go back to the A7R IV I am annoyed at the EVF in comparison to the A1. I know the resolution has been improved in the A7R V EVF, but does it still have blackout or have they also upgraded that feature? I also like the Focus Stacking feature in the new model and that makes me WANT IT! Thanks for your comparison! Each camera has it's strong points and that makes me want them all!! They know what they are doing.
There's definitely a bunch of people with doctorates planning product design, that's for sure. They know how to make the products we want to buy. And I've been working with Sony for more than 10 years on the media and on the PR side and I've had so many meetings/meals/shoots with the engineers who take scrupulous notes about improvements. The EVF in the a7rv does have blackout thorough it doesn't bother me much with the better subject tracking since I am a lot more confident it will hit the target. Still it's one of the reasons I'd loved an a9 III to be the first camera with this. I'm selling my a1 and getting an a7rv for the studio and biding my time till an a9 III or a1 II come out.
@@davetriesthis Thank you!!
If it's helpful info, I sold my a1 and got the a7rv. Part of it is video related, the flip screen is crucial for me. But I was doing some shoots for reviews the other day and using the a1 and not getting as good a lock on eyes. I did some night shooting tests too and i missed a lot of shots the a7R v would have gotten. It's not a huge percentage difference but I only need the speed of the a1 for some occasions when I can just rent an a1. Anyhow, thought that might be helpful
@@davetriesthis Yes, thanks! I still use my A7R IV for night shots and landscape. I understand exactly what you mean. I'm not sure I could give up the A1 since I love it for wildlife. Thanks for the update!
@@photographingwildlife8779 I do a lot of BIF photography, yet I sold my A1 in favor of the A7RV. You should not confuse fps wit AF/tracking accuracy. You will have to shoot with the mechanical shutter and only get 10 fps, but they will all be in focus. The AF was very good on my A1, it's unbelievable on my A7RV.
When do you think they will come out with A7S4 ??? My thinking is to get A7R5 for my photography and when A7S4 comes out buy that for video. Those two cameras instead of one A1.
It's got to be relatively soon because this camera negates the value of the a7siii for a lot of users. That said the raw and 8k keep the a7siii good for that target audience for awhile. My money would be on fall.
@@davetriesthis thanks! Then my plan should be good secure the A7R5 for my photography and still have great video. Then get the A7S4 when it comes out. Or scrap that plan and just get the A1. If you were in my shoes what would you do?
I was prepared to agree, as I saw a cliff’s notes of your final assessment, but came away disagreeing on many points, primarily the reasons behind your assessments. I think the A7RV is definitely the better choice for almost everyone who is in the market for a higher-end body, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s the “true” flagship. To me that moniker has always meant that a camera has to keep up with almost every professional situation, up to and including from the photographer’s pit at the big game. I’m sure I’m not alone in that assessment. But the A7RV is definitely the camera to buy for anyone else who can somewhat easily afford it. Not that there’s one camera to rule them all, but they’re all quite clearly targeted at different markets. Sony claims they’re able to squeeze higher quality photos out of the A7RV at low ISO as compared to the A7RIV, but as someone who uses both the latter and the A1, honestly the difference in detail between the 61MP and 50MP sensors is barely perceptible. By virtue of the huge sensor resolution and it’s comparatively slow readout, the video suite from the A7RV really is B-cam level. 8K video is only so useful if your subject can’t be moving laterally. While the dual processors are an obvious improvement, I still think this sensor is inappropriate for A-cam use. It just reads out too darn slow, and the Sophie’s choice of a heavy 4K crop or full width but sub-sampled 4K doesn’t help things. I wouldn’t recommended it for deliverables, but if you’re outputting to KZhead for free in 1080P then sure, who’s gonna notice. I’d hope the A7RV focuses better than the A1 considering it has an entire new dedicated processor for it and much more time to think about things between frames, but I’ve seen other people say the opposite. You say one thing, other people say the opposite, probably means it’s not that much of a game changer. Although I’d prefer to be wrong there. If anything about the new camera makes it more appealing as a wildlife body it’s the buffer, but I’d still much rather have 30FPS with a decent buffer for b.i.f.s compared to 10FPS with an effectively unlimited buffer.
This is the cool thing about cameras, debating them and ranking them-I mean aside from taking pictures with them. :) There's no one absolute on how one camera ranks against another as they're all different. Your opinions are great, and just as valid as mine. Having owned an a7R IV myself and an a1 now, I agree that the ISO performance difference is barely perceptable, and I doubt that the new processor pulls more than say a half stop of DR out of the sensor. Sony's claims there may be mathematically accurate, but in the real world I don't think that'll be a difference. I think your comments about some people saying its bette and some saying it's not better than the a1 in AF is sort of my point in this video though. The $6500 camera should be noticeably better than a $4000 camera as it's referred to by Sony as their flagship. The fact that it's even possible for the a7R V to surpass the a1 in any area means that the a7R V has game changing performance, at least for the R line. No one has ever said the a7R IV performs as well as the a1. I said a few times in the video that i think Sony would have done better from a perception standpoint putting this AF in something like an a9 first. As I said in the conclusion, I have no doubt that this system combined with a stacked BSI CMOS of a lower resolution will be vastly better. AF testing in a limited time is difficult. None of us press had the camera for more than two weeks during the run up to release, and we all did tests specific to shooting. The best I can say is that the arR V is more "tenacious" in AF. When it locks on, it stays on, most specicially in birds, and definitely in the cyclists I was testing on. (I used to be an adventure sports photographer so that's one of my go-to tests.) I do have to disagree on the a7R V video being only B-cam worthy. That depends entirely on what someone's A-cam is and what their shooting needs are. This isn't a video focused camera, so it doesn't need to have the same 4K specs as the a7S III but it doesn't need video this good either. It's not on par with the a1, but again, at $2500 cheaper it shouldn't be. But it still offers 8K/24, 4K 60 with only a 1.2x crop and 10-bit 4:2:2. 4K 30/24/25 has no crop. It has S-Cine and it can output 16-bit RAW over HDMI, ass All-I, etc. That's A-cam for me, until I get an ARRI or RED :) I had a part int he video where I talked about flagships in the Navy. I mentioned how the Nimitz class was the ship of the fleet until the Ford, but there are systems on the Ford that were developed before the Ford was created, and those performed better than systems on the Nimitz, or they wouldn't have stopped making the Nimitz. The aR V to me is like the ship testing out the technologies that will replace those on the Nimitz. I think that the a1 has just dropped off the radar for a huge portion of the potential customer base, and Sony knows that's the case and is okay with it because they'll sel a lot of $4000 cameras and in six months when an a1 II comes out with this AF and much better performance they'll sell a lot of $6500 cameras again. :) Thanks for the detailed feedback, I love talking cameras with viewers!
And I’d take the A1 everyday for everything. The stacked CMOS sensor cannot be beat. In every review but yours the A7R5 is not a focusing demon. The A1 is without a doubt.
Focusing speed and subject recognition aren't the same thing. You can focus at 120 calculations a second and still have bad focus if you can't detect a subject well. This was the point of Real Time Tracking. Better subject recognition plus speed. The a7R V has better subject recognition that's superior to Real Tine Tracking. In subjects recognized by the new focusing system accuracy was higher than the a1. The a1 is a focusing demon that's true. I use mine for highly demanding shoots all the time (lots of air shows for example) and it's the greatest. But I just came back from Africa and there were lots of scenes where the a1 did not nail the eyeball of an animal in the bush, yet I saw it do it with the a7R V. My main point was there is a camera that's for better features in several areas than the a1 and features on-par in some features. And it's thousands less. No reviewer had it long enough for definitive comparisons because Sony needed the review units back fir Creative Space. But that's the impression I had testing it. Anyhow I got the camera back in from Sony so I'll be doing a lot more shooting and follow up
I was thinking of the R5 or Leica q3, I shoot street, portrait and wedding
Sounds good.
Any idea when we might see the A7V?
My guess, and this is just a guess is after April. Sony's fiscal year starts in April and it would be nice for them to start the fiscal year with a hot seller. But again, just a guess.
@@davetriesthis Lol not a chance, A7V is likely two years away.
This is a solid video, but needs one correction: The Sony A1's sensor - the proprietary IMX610 - Is both stacked AND BSI, which explains it's high resolution/high data throughput/8K FF video... Btw, the rumors are already reporting - the same site that reported the A7RV's October release - that the a9III is on the board for early/spring '23... I've owned an A1 for 15 months, and used the A7R5 at Sony's Event in October... The best way to describe the difference in Autofocus performance: The A7R5 is 'stickier', but the A1's 120 times/sec AF tracking makes up for being 'less sticky' in spite of not having the new onboard AI chip; that being said, the A7RV KILLS the A1 in video AF, especially with wildlife/birds... With an Atomos Ninja, the 4K output from the A1 is actually the downsampled output of the 8K, which itself is downsampled from 8.6K, which makes it super-sharp for 4K video work, Gerald Undone did an excellently detailed video about this. Cheers!
Thanks for all the points. Right all around. I've heard the rumors too and they're probably right though they don't make a ton of sense yet. A9III is needed mostly because the agencies like AP and gannet can't afford $6500 a person. Will be great to see this tech in that body but again, we will see if it gets here. Can you imagine the buyer's remorse on people spending $4500 on the a9 II when a III arrives. Agree with the stickier vs faster on the a1. My experience is similar to what you said from the event experience. Owning the a1 and using the a7rv for a few weeks. The a1 is obviously not bad. It's amazing. But yeah for birds and I suspect the military aviation I like the a7rv stickiness is more useful. It's a funny world right. We have an a1 and that's fantastic. Now we have a Canon R3 and R6II, a1, a7rV and potentially q1 or q2 of next year a R1 and a9III and maybe a7v or a1 II. The level of af we have now is amazing.
I´m considering A7RV new or nearly same price, little bit higher price A1 used. The difference is ca 700$. I need camra that can catch dog running oposite camera stay focused. My dog for me represent fast movement oposit camera, where the focused distance moves fastest. Wuld be A1 better choice? Both they are hybrid cameras, A1 is top of the top, but A5R5 has newer AF AI processor. I´m considering, read, watch youtube but I can´t decide. And I don´t have anything from SONY yet. I had NIKON and than FUJIFILM and I sold everything. Please make me advice.
Do you need capture rates above 10 frames per second? That would make it the a1. The a7rv has better subject recognition so it would find and follow the eye and head of the dog better but most people are capturing a dog at a depth of field that's small enough that the whole dog is in focus when the af locks onto it. The a1 is an all around better camera and if you can afford the difference it is better for general purpose sports work.
@@davetriesthis Thank you for reply, meantime I waited for reply I ordered A7R5 and I´m waiting to monday if I recieve it :) :)
You'll love it. Please post a link to photos when you get it!!!
Since the price is getting up there I can't really justify either. IF there were no limit of course the A1 is it. Since I recently bought into the Sony platform, the A7RIIIa , it is good but the EVF is crap and the AF I have lots of misses I should upgrade to the RV, for the AF, stabilisation, and excellent EVF (I've already seen this on the A1).
Yeah the early evf was tough to deal with. The IV is an all around better camera than the III if you wanted an interim upgrade.
Does the V "feel" just as fast and responsive as the A1? I rented an A1 for a week and, when I went back to my A7RIV, that's what I missed the most! My camera felt "laggy" and sluggish compared to the A1. And I don’t mean the AF system or the shooting speed or the buffering, necessarily. I mean the general use of the camera. The menus, startup time, time between switching shooting modes, etc....just feels INSTANT on the A1 in a way that it doesn't on the A7RIV. Additionally, there are definitely times when you have to "wait on" the A7RIV, one example that comes to mind is that, after shooting a short burst (only 2-3 shots) of photos, I can't immediately record a video, I have to wait for the buffer to clear. (this is even when using a 300 MB/s write card, since there is a write-speed bottleneck inherent in this camera) The overall responsiveness of the A7RV hasn’t been mentioned in any write-ups or videos I’ve found, I’m starting to think there is an NDA Sony made folks sign to not talk about it!
Yes and no. Operation of the camera is identical feeling to the a1. I mean this in terms of switching modes, changing settings etc. The a1 feels faster to capture. At 20fps it feels more powerful, if that makes sense. But the a7RV feels stickier. If I were shopping now I'd buy the a7R V and rent an a1 for air shows, which I shoot a lot. That said, I might still use the a7R V because of how "sticky" the af feels.
@@davetriesthis thank you so much, this is really helpful feedback! Makes my purchase decision much easier!
Nice 7RV review. Hopefully a1 will get the video af firmware update soon..
Thanks for the compliment!!
I sold my A1 when I needed money and replaced it with A7IV but was greatly disappointed with A7IV after A1. I am thinking about A7RV. Here are my issues though. First I like to shoot birds. I know with A7RIV, the sensor readout was horrific, meaning I could not use electronic shutter with small fast birds like hummingbirds I love to shoot. Otherwise (and I have examples) you have wings that look like two or three separated wings on each side. So you have to go back to a mechanical shutter and the mechanical shutter on A7RIV was loud, spooking the hummingbirds away. A9 and A1 take care of that issue with faster readout. My understanding is A7R5 readout has not improved at all from A7RIV, that, and reduced shots per second with electronic shutter, means Sony expects A7RV users to rely on mechanical shutter. Is mechanical shutter on A7RV quiet?? I don't understand why Sony would not implement faster frames per second when using crop mode (26MP). It would mean faster readout since you need to read out smaller portion of the sensor, which likely would mean less rolling shutter, and would allow faster frame rates, wild life shooters would not mind 1.5 crop anyway, and you have 100% phase detect points coverage with crop. 2d issue is A7RIV and A7IV display bandings indoors at least in my living room, which requires crazy exercise in shutter speed adjustments to get it right. No issues with A1. Not sure how A7RV does there with banding. I guess one way to find out is to try one.
The A7RV can't read out any faster then it does now, simply because it has no stacked sensor. Where do you think the difference in price comes from. I sold my A1 and my wife's A7R IV when I had the opportunity to use the A7RV for one day. We now own bot an A7R V and loving it. The AF and tracking is better on the A7RV. You should not confuse AF/tracking with fps. It's absolutely necessary to use the mechanical shutter on a fast moving target (again because this is not a stacked sensor) to avoid rolling shutter. Conclusion: every picture will be in focus of your small birds, but you will only have like 10 frames a sec to choose from. Another option is to wait for the A9 III. It will have the AI chip, the fantastic flip screen, the better IBIS and it will shoot 30 fps with a 35 something mega-pixel camera
@@StephaanBOSS56 no one knows what the A9III will have and not have, you are just wishful thinking, LOL. I own the A7RIV , A1 and the A7SIII. I used my A7RIV before I got the A1 for my wildlife shooting, but once I had the A1 there was no comparison, the A1 was far superior for BIF and having 30fps can be a difference maker to getting that exact moment. And the truly silent shutter with greatly reduced rolling shutter in the A1 can make a difference in not spooking some birds. I would never sell my A1 for any A7RV. I am a pro photojournalist that shoots all subjects around the world including breaking news and pro sports. The A7RV just cant do what the A1 can for many things I shoot. Sure it would be nice to upgrade my A7RIV to the A7RV, but never at the cost of my A1. I dont really see many A1 owners changing to the A7RV. LOL Cheers
@@6gwilliams lol. The things people say to make themselves believe they made the right choice. The A9 lll will have what I am telling, come back here when it does. I know about the rolling shutter and fps, Mr professionnel... 😂
Regarding the possibility of a higher fps when using crop sensor, does anybody know why this would be a no-go from Sony. I had wondered about this. Obviously, we’re taking electronic shutter.
@@StephaanBOSS56 Keep dreaming. You are not the folks at Sony that will decide, and you have no idea what the A9III will or will not have, NONE. LOL ,LOL, LOL
You forgot the a7IV. The Bionz XR processor is in the a7IV too, as well as the a1, a7RV and a7Slll.
You're right I did forget! Thanks.
Yeah your right sir i have my a7iv its complete me every day 61 mg its of megapixel and lots of space on your computer 33mg its 1 of kind if you understand editing by now im comfortable on my a7iv I prefer a1 to all shooter out there !! Have a good day
Im not sure I followed all that but if you were talking about the space the files take up-you can set the camera in three raw sizes, s,m,l and you end up saving a ton of space on a and m basically giving the camera an effective lower resolution.
In my personal opinion, and I have used both of those cameras. The A1 is still the better camera for video and photography.okay the flip tilt screen from the R5 is a big Plus, but the train planes and automobile tracking makes no sense to me.
Only the plane is useful to me as I shoot a lot of air shows. The a1 still does great work but I wish it were able to pick out the cockpit like the a7rv. The a1 is still the pinnacle overall. The a7rv is a more affordable choice if of course you think $4000+ is affordable
After trying to shoot stills for 6 months with the flippy screen on A7iv, I just can’t do it anymore. My local camera store has an open box A7Rv available for $3,500 which is a great deal. I’m soooo tempted by the screen. I’ve got the FX3 as well so won’t be using it much for video. I’m not convinced they are going to put that screen in the less expensive models. If they do, one can expect at least a $300 price increase. At that point, might just as well get the R, right?
I don't know an a7 V will have it, unless due to economy of scale and manufacturing. But certainly an a9 replacement, and an A1 replacement should have it, since the competitors are not doing it, though, if I were Sony, I would put it on every single camera. That is a fantastic open box deal. You're going to love the camera. I was just out shooting at the biodome in Montreal and all I had with me was a 24 to 70 and I was nailing eyeball shots from 100 m on Golden Tamarin.
@@davetriesthis The more expensive bodies will definitely have that new screen, but I just don’t see them putting it in the less expensive bodies just yet. But, I suppose it’s possible. Either way, I’m excited to get going with the Rv. I will likely keep my A7iv as my dedicated YT camera.
Hey Dave, thank you for your video; I appreciate your clear thinking. I photograph wildlife in Africa. I’m a professional guide and photograph for wall art as well as for marketing trips. I spend half my time guiding on foot and half in a vehicle. I’ve come across an incredible deal on Sony gear because our local store is having a big birthday sale at the same time that our currency has tanked. At the same time found a great condition Sony 400mm F2.8. My day to pull the trigger is tomorrow. I will have a two lens setup: 400 2.8 and 70-200 f2.8 v2, plus 1.4x and 2x converters. My question is which two bodies to go for. On the sale with this odd moment in the currency (store orders camera currency strong, currency tanks so effectively the USD price is incredible until the store has to reorder from Sony USA - I earn usd). So, I can get an A1 on special for effectively $4600 and the A7RV would be $3900. My thought is one of each to get the best of both worlds (eg a1 on 400 2.8 and A7RV on 70-200 for landscapes and if action comes too close). Otherwise I was going two A1’s. On foot I’ll only carry one. I hear you on waiting for A1ii but I have a rare window and already I’m blowing my budget and A1ii likely to be a serious price. What two camera bodies would you chose in my situation? Will switching from one to the other be quite intuitive? Or would I be better sticking to two of the same. I figure that when I need particular features I can switch to that camera and learn which I prefer for which situations. I probably won’t get support until I spend time in rainforest next year at which stage I’m thinking Gitzo monopod with wimberley gimble mh100 monopod head. Which bag/pelican would you recommend for this combo? Was thinking fstop tilopa or, if it would fit, peakdesign everyday 30L. I don’t expect that the diameter of the lens hood would fit in a pelican 1510? I will fly internationally with the setup. Thank you greatly! I will pull the trigger tomorrow so fingers crossed you see this before then.
Wow. I'm envious. My family went to Botswana last year and it's now my favorite place on earth. What country/countries are you in? Your Sony deal sounds amazing, definitely pull the trigger. My suggestion now is one a1 and one a7RV. They're both great in different ways. The a1 will kick ass in a stampede of animals, or when your'e catching a predator sprinting, with the 30fps. The a7RV will be better able to pick out animals in the brush, at dusk, etc., and will be better able to track the eyes of subjects when they're moving. That said, two a1 are also amazing, but personally I'd grab the two systems so I had the best of both worlds, but I can also see the rationale for having two of the same system because you won't get any rolling shutter with those, and you won't have to wonder which body you're with. That way you're always using the same capabilities on each camera, with the same settings, in the same menus. The glass sounds great too. I had the 100-400mm and the teleconverter with me, and a 70-200. I shot the 100-400 almost entirely with the 1.4x. I really wish I had had the 200-600mm, 100-400 and 70-200. I had a few close encounters with hyena up at the jeep where I wasn't really able to switch lenses (cause you know, I didn't wanna be dinner), and only had one body with the 100-400 and the teleconverter. I had to very very slowly take the TC off to shoot them at the front of the jeep. :) In any case, you're going to end up with a killer system perfect for Africa. I'd love to see some of your work.
I’m so pleased to have gotten your answer in time, Dave. Thank you. I’m up late trying to reach a resolution, excuse the pun! I think I’m leaning towards the two systems too. One other advantage might be firmware updates? If A1ii comes out will A1i firmware updates cease? My alternative argument for two A1’s is fueled by: 1. No complexity of which camera to use with which lens in which moment. 2. Not being able to dictate the action therefore rolling shutter if the desired lens is on the A7R5 in the fast moving moment you don’t want to miss. Action comes to close for 400 F2.8 plus 1.4x, reach for 70-200 plus 2x and rolling shutter (how significant is it for stills with speed of African wildlife?). 2b. 30fps with the right lens in the moment you need it. Still, 10fps is more than I’ve had in the past. 3. This deal compared to US prices is good on A7RV and unbelievable on A1 (usually gear is significantly more expensive here). 4. Same dial layout etc, no confusion. The counter argument for A7RV 1. More advanced subject tracking 2. Higher mp for blowing up a keeper and for cropping (especially use of aps-c on a walk) 3. Better in body stabilisation of A7RV for handholding 400 f2.8 on a walk. 4. Rotating screen for video blog (not that I do one yet) or capturing guest video reviews. 5. New technology and longevity of firmware updates. 6. Slight saving on A7RV could be applied elsewhere, though it is not significant enough to be a primary decider. 7. Subject tracking in video, though I’m not a big video shooter at this stage. In all honesty I don’t quite know how to make the decision by tomorrow morning. I am going back and forth at the moment. I appreciate any further reflections or hearing if your opinion is steadfast. Great to hear that you had a great time in Bots! It’s a very special place. I spend a few months a year leading trips in Zambia… some of Africa’s best walking (try changing a lens when a male lion is flicking his tail, deciding whether to charge!), then move onto a few months in Botswana. I’m spending more and more time in Congo which may become a month or two months a year. I then split my time between other exciting destinations Zimbabwe, Namibia, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Ethiopia, Malawi, Madagascar and I lead a group to Ecuador (Galapagos, Amazon, Andes every two years, as well as Pantanal and Patagonia). I have a deep love for wilderness and wild places. We put together groups as well as design tailor made itineraries for FIT travel. Feel free to stay in touch and reach out for any advice on Africa or worldwide nature travel. I greatly appreciate your support in making this decision: brent@primalpathways.org
@@Bardonhar My god Brent your job sounds fascinating. Quick anecdote about when I was in Botswana. So we were on the jeep and parked and came across two hyena The sniffed the air, then came over to the jeep. No doors, roof, etc. One on one side of the jeep, one on the other. The more interested of the two of them did that thing that dogs do to get other dogs to play, where they jump forward on their paws then jump back, waiting to chase. Our guide says something about the hyena not knowing we're people in the jeep, that it's engaging with the jeep. I am not an idiot, and I know what it looks like when a dog-like creature is smelling you in the air. My son, shooting with an a7c and Tamron says quietly "what do we do if they jump in the jeep." I say "they won't" thinking I'm about 80% confident of that. "But what if they do?" "Then I hit them in the face with this very heavy, very expensive lens." That didn't make him feel better. Anyhow, back to our dilemma with your camera choices. The issues here is primarily because both cameras are good in different ways. I have shot with the a1 and a7c where I've had to quickly shift lenses from the a7c to the a1 because It thought some fast action was going to happen. That's a pain in the ass, but at least it happened because one camera was significantly better. Here you've got two incredibly similar, but also dissimilar cameras. I think the decision will come down to the type of wildlife you encounter the most. If you're spending most of your time by still animals that are stalking, sitting, standing, striding, then an a1 and an a7RV. If you're spending a lot of time with sudden rushes of animals and less with them relaxing, grooming, etc., then two a1 is great. If I were advising someone who was just going to visit Africa I'd tell them to bring both cameras, as they don't know what they're going to encounter. As someone who leads tours there it's harder to say because there's an argument for two of the same camera. Since you're around big and little game all the time for a living, I think right now I'd suggest two a1 to you if you're not doing video work. Let's say your a1 goes down for some reason, would you feel disappointed to have the a7RV only while it's getting serviced. In other words, if you were going to go out right now with only one camera would you pick the a1 or a7RV. I know it's hard to say sight unseen. I think from a practical standpoint this might make the most sense, if there's a way to do it. Get two of the a1, and then if an a1 II comes out in the near future, sell an a1 and get that. The AF in the a7RV will be EVEN BETTER when it's in a faster camera. With the a1 you're not going to miss an animal, it's the difference between getting subject recognition on the whole animal, or the eyeball. With the a7R V you're going to get the eyeball more often and track it better, but with the chance that you're moving too quickly and have rolling shutter. If you plan to do any video at all, get an a7R V. The tilt flip screen is really really really better for video, and the video AF is better than the a1. But if you're primarily stills, I think for you two of the a1.
Thank you Dave, I’m finding it to be a really tough one and the decision is looming in an hour if I want to secure the deal. I’ll let you know once I’ve made the decision and I’ll come back to talk more about your intriguing hyaena encounter. Any last minute reflections would be greatly appreciated. Here’s more of what I’m weighing up: As you say, guide or guest, you never know what’s going to show up; overall it’s a big mix of everything. Of course more of the time it’s animal portraits, sometimes an owl or eagle in a tree, taking flight and then occasionally fast action of an animal pounce, a chase, two cubs chasing each other, a lioness jumping a stream, two antelope chasing each other. But 70-80% of the time it’s animal portraits or scenes, elephants, an elephant eye. At least one A1. The second body… really tough and so many hairs to split. I spend three months only guiding on foot, and then again, at those times, I only bring one body. I imagine that will more often be the A1, but what about the 8stops in body stabilisation of the A7RV for handholding the 400 F2.8, plus the added resolution for aps -c crop. Only foot, animals tend to be that much further away. I won’t always walk with the teleconverter attached because I’m already aware of carrying such an obtrusively sized lens: I’m a guide not a pro photographer, I’m there first and foremost for the guests, not for myself. I think I will probably get over that, just haven’t carried such a large lens in front of guests on a walk before. 70-200 plus 2x is there in the time when it feels like the more appropriate choice. For that reason o am also getting a much shorter lens hood made for the 400 2.8. In the vehicle it becomes a different story of two bodies in use. I think the 70-200 with be reached for for pulled out scenes, animals that have walked too close and, those rare moments when lions run in our direction or two adolescent leopard cubs pounce on each other at close range. Those are rarer moments but the happen and that’s when two A1’s would’ve been ideal. I will do some video, though I’m more stills focussed. I do intend capturing guest comments and possibly doing a video blog (I’m not that fond of being on camera but maybe). Bits of video would be useful for the website. On one hand, having one of each gives me the choice and variety of features and I may be slightly leaned towards that. On the other hand it complicates choices and guesses of what may happen on and outing or lens changing which is kind of against the point of having two bodies in the meantime. On the other hand, 10fps is faster than I’ve ever had in the past. So if that’s the main limitation of the second body, so be it. Or that drops to 7fps for lossless raw, doesn’t it? The other argument for two A1’s is knowing exactly where each dial and button is without thinking. I would say I’m at about 51 vs 49% in favourite of the variety in this moment though it’s probably more like 50.1 vs 49.9. Call it 50-50. Any last minute thoughts, opinions or feelings?
Pulled the trigger and went for one of each. Very happy with the decision, feels right. Thanks for your support Dave. I’ll let you know how it turns out when I’m back in the bush in two months or so. Your experience with the hyaenas sounds intriguing. They are endurance animals, which shows in their longer forelegs and shorter hind legs, allowing for a very energy efficient rocking horse gate. Is that possibly what you saw? They may have been feeling uncertain about the vehicle. Might they have been taunting a reaction and then turning? They are opportunists, brazen but also retreating. Unlike us, (we are very vision orientated and combine that with with an abstract thinking. As far as we know we are the only animal that tracks by equating the shape of displaced sand with the animal who passed. Hyaenas track and interpret their surroundings, not abstractly, but directly through physical scent particles that belonged to their quarry. They will commonly investigate with their noses to gather more detail about what they are encountering. One would imagine, when coming across a vehicle, that they would be smelling a cocktail of metal, diesel, soaps, deodorant, clothing, materials and human. A very unusual and out of place smell, I would imagine.
Good review, Thanks. The only point I would elaborate on is a bird centric photographer’s review that found that the Sony AR5 is pretty good for close to medium distance birds but AWFUL for longer distance tracking. Just sayin’. Thanks 😊Now rolling shutter is a whole other story 😂…
I shot birds with it (the a7rv) and it did some incredible work at distances but my testing was limited to local hawks and cormorants and obviously not as expensive as a pro wildlife shooter. One issue with tracking birds is they're fast and while the af may be able to pick out the eyes it's hard to say if the speed and need for the processor to keep tracking them is an issue. Like 11fps at 1/2000th is there enough time for the af to keep up, while the a1 might not nail the eyeball but can track at 30 fps.
Sony does seem to cripple their newer camera's in some way. My A7III is able to shoot 10fps both electronical and mechanical, it's already an old camera. The same applies to the Sony A7R line-up until this one came out. It's only 10 fps compressed with iq loss, it's only 7 fps lossless compressed. Even though they use a faster processor and AI chip. I feel like they are limiting their R line to 7 fps lossless, they limit their S line to low res, limit the A1 with an old screen, limit the A9 line with old screens and resolution just to get more speed. It seems no camera has all the best features which is exactly what they want so you don't just have to buy 1 camera and be done with it.
The a7iii is a 24 megapixel sensor. That's a massively smaller amount of data to move. The R series is nearly triple the megapixels. The 7fps isn't likely crippling so much as the rolling shutter would be too severe above 7fps because of the huge data readout. I'm curious what you mean about the a7sIII having low quality video?
@@davetriesthis No no, just photo resolution. I do understand how it would help in low light though. The R does have almost triple the amount of pixels to move, but it has lossless compressed mode which lowers the data. I just think it's odd that older R models could shoot 10 fps while the newer one with a faster cpu and ai cpu can't. Even when lowering the res to 26mp or lower.
Hi Dave, have you come across this before? The requirement of the Sony UK lens Rebate which is wanting me to physically cut out the serial number label then photograph and upload it. I do not wish to damage or deface my packaging in any way and have supplied the serial number of the Camera (A7RV) and the 200-600mm lens I bought together with a copy of the receipt from an Sony authorised UK retailer. I have supplied a tightly cropped clear image of the serial number on the box and yet my £100 rebate claim is being refused. If I saw a lens for sale on the used market with the label cut out, even if re-attached, I would immediately dismiss it as being stolen or suspicious. This is my first venture into the Sony world after being a Nikon and Canon user for the past 30 years and I am shocked and dismayed by this illogical and frankly ridiculous situation.
I have seen this before, though not with cameras and I'm sure it comes down to the laws in different places. I remember as a kid that if we wanted certain free things that the toy companies sold we had to cut out the UPC and mail it to them. This was way before the Internet so the idea was that if the UPC was missing you couldn't just fake a receipt and send that in and you couldn't sell it to someone and tell them there's a rebate thanks to the purchase but have taken the rebate. Sounds like the merchants are too lazy to do a serial number checker? I don't know about missing UPC being a deal breaker, I sell most of my cameras without the original boxes as I can never keep track of stuff like that. :) If I saw a UPC cut out and wondered I'd just ask the seller. As long as the SN on the camera itself isn't tampered with that's really the only SN that matters. Weird seeing 1970 toy policies creeping up in 2023 cameras.
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I already have the A1, sounds more like a side grade, I’m going to wait for the A1 MKII
It's a good call. Unless you're a bird photographer, where the improved eye hit rates are a big advantage, though the trade off is that frame rate. I'm definitely a wait for an a1 II guy.
Good video and valid points, Dave. The most important feature in the a7rv, however, is NOT the tilt/flip screen. In fact most photographers prefer the tilt screen because it is more practical and well built (solid hinge mechanism). The single (weak) hinge on the flip screens of the a7iv or a7siii work for those filming themselves but otherwise isn't practical (structurally not very sound either). Furthermore, you say that the AF performance on the a7riv is "awful" but many working professionals beg to differ (myself included). Thanks for sharing your opinions.
Thanks for the positive comments on the video! While I agree that photographers tend to prefer the tilt screen to a flip screen (I'm one of them) because it keeps the image on center to the focus plane and is more durable, still-only shooters aren't the target demographic for any camera company (except probably Leica) for better or worse. The lack of the flip screen made a1 even more expensive to use for video than an a7S III because of the need for a recorder to see yourself while filming. This screen can be used exclusively as a tilt screen if you'd like. While the pivot point on the edge of the camera is inherently weaker, as you point out, than the a1 hinge, I don't know anyone that's broken the hinge on the a7siii and I walked right into an open screen on that camera and only hurt my arm. 😮 In my first week with the a7r5 I got dozens of low macro portrait oriented shots and portrait landscape with the screen perpendicular to the body I would have had to shoot and check and then move the camera to shoot again previously. I'm sure some people will damage the hinge, definitely. I truly think the number of people that will benefit from the ability to use it as a tilt or a flip screen is vastly higher than the number of people who will break the hinge as a result of that design decision by hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands of people. So i agree photographers prefer tilting and most would like a more durable attachment point. But hybrid and video-first people won't buy a camera that doesn't flip.
@@Unknown2024w Everything is relative. Before the a1 was introduced, the a7riva was a great photo camera that also produced high quality 4k video. It's hard to keep pace with technology. Many years ago, photographers produced amazing work with manual focus only. Tech-wise, we living in an amazing time.
Quick note on the a7r IV af. It's awful in terms of the relative function, especially in low light compared to the a9/a9II and a74 which benefit from stacked cmos and or lower resolution. I should probably have said it was considered awful but we media reviewers specially trying to evaluate the systems in difficult conditions and by my wildlife photographer friends who were hoping for high res and flying-bird abilities and people like me shooting air shows. It's a stellar landscape, travel, lifestyle camera and I think most a7riv users should stick to that camera unless they have a need to add birds
Yup for sure. I did about 10 thousand test shots on the a7riv with various lighting and subject conditions (including a creepy mannequin head I lugged to different lighting scenes) for reviews. The issues I found with the af...the camera was still a better focuser than any DSLR I ever used, and better than the first few Sony cameras by far. It's amazing how tech changes our perception. I installed a HomeKit lock I can open with my Apple Watch and the other day had to go through my basement door which isn't even a key, it's a keypad and I was like OHGODIHAVETOPUSHBUTTONS
@@davetriesthis Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I have a friend still using the original a7r for street photography, and he has produced some wonderful artwork from it. We are spoiled with the tech that is available to us. Be well my friend.
The Alpha 1 is SUPERIOR (because I paid more $$$ for it 🤨) Rumor has it the A1 will get a software update for Spring 2024 but we’ll believe that when we see what that does… guess… not much! The A1 probably has “hard-coded” a lot of features that canNOT be updated via software.
It's not a matter of hard coding. The a7rv has a dedicated image processing chip that gives it the better AF. All the improvements in AF are from that chip. The A1 is incredibly powerful and they could tweak the focus to be better either way firmware but it still can't do what the a7rv can do. By spring there likely will be a new a1 rather than a firmware upgrade.
I shoot birds and wildlife about 20% of the time. Rest is landscapes and stills. Struggling between the A7RV and A1
A7rv. Bird af is outstanding. You'll get higher res for your still and landscape and 10fps of eye detect on birds. If you shot 80% birds I might flip it the other way right now. Your shooting style accentuates the strengths of the a7R V
I'm in the same boat. I'm on the fence about upgrading from a7riii. I do landscape and Astro with about 20% Wildlife. I'm afraid of the larger files particularly when shooting milkyway. Not much is mentioned about Medium Raw in terms of Dynamic range and highlights.
@@Fotogoscar I went with the A7RV. Bird AF is excellent, but frame rate is about the same as a7R III (without much blackout). I’ve had it a number of months and I like it a lot, but readout speed is not nearly as good as I had hoped. Shooting silent mode is just not practical except for landscape (as long as there is no wind). I use the focus bracketing a fair amount, especially with the macro capabilities of the 70-200 G II lens. The extended timer on bulb mode is great for astro. I would not count on the M or S RAW format for a number of reasons 1) IQ is not that good. It looks like Sony just skipped a couple rows of pixels, and 2) they are not recognized as RAW files for a number of apps, because the pixels are not in a Bayer format. For Landscape, Astro, reasonably still objects, the a7RV is spectacular. That said, I’m looking into a used A1 to augment it. If the March firmware update includes those features, I will be a happy man!
@@davidligon6088 Thanks for the update. I looked at trading my a7riii for the A1 and could get the A1 used for about 3800
@@Fotogoscar I ended up grabbing a used A1 too. I use it for wildlife. I use the A7RV for everything else.
Great summary thank you. I switched to mirrorless and Sony with the A7RIV. Its been great but with a few limitations. I mainly do landscape particularly long exposures but also do some sports and wildlife at times. I've not enjoyed the 200-600mm I bought at same time but keep it hoping it will be better on my next camera. My thought process was keep A7riv and save for A1 so have 2 bodies. However I'm now considering trading up to A7rV and getting A9III when it comes out and keeping wide angle on former and 70-200mm or 200-600mm zoom on latter after watching your video. I will keep procrastinating as its a big expense either way and by then the upgrade to A1 could come out and throw me again.
You will absolutely get better performance on the 200-600 on, well any camera besides that a7RIV. Focus is notoriously slow on it. (That's why the new auto focus capabilities came first on the a7R line, it needed it most.) which ever way you go, you're going to end up with better auto focus than you're getting now. It's almost a crime to have to use the a7riv with such a good lens
@@davetriesthis thank you. I agree and it's why I have kept it, patiently waiting for a second camera to use it on. It's been a big learning curve changing from dslr - mirrorless and switching brand.I didn't really understand how specialised the cameras were at the time as my 5D did everything. The a7rV is tempting with A9ii to follow I am starting to think to cover both goals.
@@MandyRees-pf8zy maybe look for a used A1 for now? The performance on that lens will blow you away.
@@davetriesthis This may sound a crazy reason to spend the extra money but I love the idea of the in camera bulb timer, and the focus stacking. I do a lot of long exposure landscapes. So, todays thought is to blow the budget and trade A7riv for the V and then wait and save for the A1 mk ii and get that.( I'm still scarred after getting the Canon 5Dmk iii just before the iv came out many moons ago) Then never change cameras again .... :) Thank you for a great video and your responses.
@@MandyRees-pf8zy Doesn't sound crazy at all! Focus stacking is huge, and I had a longer segment on it in the original script for the video but took it out for time. Also I'm awful at focus stacking so had no good examples to go with it. I'd definitely upgrade from the IV to the V. I'm still wondering when we might see an A1 Mark II. CP+., th big camera show in Japan just happened, and no new models for that. The next for-sure time camera companies announce is around when Photo Plus used to happen. Now iI'm not sure, hopefully they'll have something for summer when it's good for people to start doing sports again. And thank you for the compliment, it's what keeps me going!
All these crippled non-A1 Sony bodies just make the Canon R6ii look that much more well-rounded at that price point.
The r6 II is a really great camera. Great value too. To be fair canon has been leaving out video features in their non cine cameras for decades.
@@davetriesthis Sony is the new Canon, except Canon doesn't back stab their flagship users with new features implemented on much cheaper and newer cameras rather than on the flagship.
@@frankfeng2701 I don't feel that SONY is back stabing me. I prefer them, to push technology to new models. The A1 is still doing what I bought it for. So is the A9 which I bought more than 5 years ago and is stiil one of the best 24Mp cameras. Both of these camera have an extreme high usefull lifetime.
Thats a badass camera! It looks down on all other brands! I have Canon since the late 70’s, so I’m taken, but I’m test driving that poppy. I asked my wife and daughters but my wife doesn’t care about anything but Leica (🤦🏻♂️) and my daughter says she doesn’t need anything more beyond the A7riii. The think I don’t understand is the low price tag on this monster. What’s Sony angle? Are they backing up from their flagship. You could very well use the 7rV for ever genre there is! 🤔🤔🤔 What am I missing, a stacked sensor? That doesn’t make it that special? Plus they are keeping the good stuff of the stack sensor locked! Heck I’m waiting to see the same tech we have been using since 2005 in our stack sensors (military) in these puppies. We are getting new tech soon, hopefully the gate will open soon for civilians!
I don't think they have a angle here. The price tag is pretty on par with the use of this camera. The frame rate of only 8fps and 10 mechanical limits the use to a certain market, and it's easier to make an 8fps camera than a stacked sensor 30fps one. Stacked sensors cost a lot to make, and they're complex to process. the military can have any technology they need, since price isn't an issue. We'll get an a1 with the new AF system soon enough.
@@davetriesthis well I remember when there was no fps lol not AF (gosh I’m old) but those are good points that you bring. Sorry for the misspellings on the previous post, sometimes I type too fast 🤣😂
The “best” camera is always the one that suits what you shoot. I do wildlife and birds (stills and video) so I love my A1. Gotta have the 4K/120 for slow mo. The AI autofocus may be a bit better but if a person can’t achieve accurate focus with an A1 then may need to look at other lines of work or another hobby. I will wait for the A1M2.
Agree all around. In fact I said if you've got the a1 stick with it. The AF is better inn the a7rV, but the AF is superb in the a1 already. The af is remarkably better but the decision to launch it first in such a high MP camera makes it less valuable to customers with anything but an a7RIv or earlier. If I were at a store right now though and had to pick a1 or a7RV I'd pick the RV. It's better all around. If I had a choice of an a1 II or this it would be a1 II hands down. Doing 120p you need what you need. So this will never work. I guess the best way to describe the AF improvements over the A1 isn't that you capture MORE things in focus but you capture them better. More eye over body. In planes it's cockpit over nearest wingtip, or insects it's seeing them vs not. It's going to be crazy with an a1 II ir a9 III.
Sony A7Siii is $3,498 at BH photo, be good to know where you find it , as you say for $2900 :)
Shoot. I recorded that on averse takes and made a mistake. I will make a note in the description. Much thanks!!
That screen though. Ends the debate on what type of screen you need.
Totally. And if Sony ever uses one of the other screens again people will lose their minds.
What did you mean by" no real time recognition for video?" - Real time recognition of what specifically?
Sorry, Real Time Recognition is what Sony calls the AI driven autofocus system. While the subject recognition choices are still visible in video in the menu, those are still only functions.
@@davetriesthis Interesting. I'm currently a Ronin 4D & Sony A7IV owner. Previously owned the A1 and A7SIII. Looking to replace my A7IV with this A7RV camera but was looking to hopefully try and dual purpose. The A7IV is a great camera but the crop discourages me from shooting video. The Ronin 4D is an insane piece of technology and I've shot so so so many videos with it but I do miss being smaller and compact. I'm torn with buying the A1 in 2022 at full price. Incredibly hard to justify especially with the A7RV showing us where Sony is going in leading the charge in AF technology. Decisions Decisions
The biggest advantage of the A1 is how the electronic shutter performs.
Yup. And rolling shutter second. Crazy right
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@@davetriesthis the brother that capturing eagles and other birds I just see what going on
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I don’t care with the tilting screen and I am going to have A1 with 80-200,2.8ii. I don’t want to buy many camera anymore. Only A1 can replace rest of the model. For only hobby, it is enough for me to get this one. I don’t know how my mother will react with me then.
Well I hope she's not to going to be too mad. It's a great camera.
Nice video, I maybe go to SONY A7r5, thanks.
Go for it!
I hit like as soon as you said "amaze balls" lol
I will work on dropping that into more videos to attract more like-minded people
@@davetriesthis ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ good content though. I've never gone for the flagships, I came in on the a7iii then recently got a a7iv as my second body. After seeing the a1, a9, a7s issues, I'm definitely just going to stay in this lane lol. The only possibility is maybe an R model if I need the megapixels, but probably used.
The A1 is still up top remember the camera was designed to do so much so well
Sure but it's also the older of the two. What happens when an a9 II comes out? Does the a1 stay the top?
I think is time for Sony to leave further AF development at pause, it is getting so good that is creepy, there is plenty of other departments they have plenty of room to bring up too, think color science, global shooting, heat management for certain models, maybe connectivity, better environment sealing, noise control, the list keeps on just take it easy with that AF :P
I know you're being tongue in cheek but a few thoughts here. It's not good for the customer to have a company pause on a technology. The AF engineers aren't the same as those that do body design, or those that do lenses, etc. Pausing on a tech doesn't free up any resources. I know you're kidding here but wanted to just let people know. I'd love Sony to work on all the areas you mention, and more, but for the record they are. I can go more in depth on any of them if you'd like, but I don't like to spit a few paragarphs out in a comment to answer someone's joking comment. But if you want me to go more in depth on any, let me know. :)
A1 stacked sensor will always beat this new camera for action, nature, birds in flight etc. Can't stand the evf lag and rolling shutter in mechanical shutter cameras.
AF speed and recognition are different. The A1 has wicked fast AF. But the new focusing system is better at detecting more subjects and better at finding eyes and key parts of moving subjects than the a1. In any case, can't wait for an a9 II, which was my main point. This better tech should have arrived first in a stacked CMOS camera like the a1.
Now that they have released the A7RV with these features, I think it will only be a matter of time before the A1 gets it's firmware update. They just needed to get those initial buzz sales of the new rig first. The A1 is still my absolute beast and i absolutely love it.
The AI-based autofocus on the a7R V is provided by an on-motherboard AI processing unit. The a1 and the a7R V share the same Bionz processor, so I don't think that a firmware update is adding these subject recognition modes. I can see firmware updating the existing eye-detection AF, but not adding subject recognition for insects, etc. The a1 is amazing, I sold mine because as media it's helpful for me to have the highest res sensor and the most recent AF, and it's easier to get a media loaner a1 from Sony than the a7R V as the a1 has been out longer. But the a1 is a fabulous camera and I miss it. When an a1 II comes out, my a7R V is going to be sold as well, and I'll use that instead.
A1 hands down
Sony will soon release a newer A1 version
I'd go with soon-ish
Its wont happen a a7v in 2023, you need minimum 24month lifecycle. I think A1m2 will be around in 2023. Next sony cameras will be equiped with AI with no majors changes from the sensors. My 2 cents
I largely agree here. Sony has previously done 18 months between cameras, but with new models they're at 2+. I should have said an a1 is likely first half and a7V second half. It was announced oct 21 so it's doable by next October. Definitely thing an a1 ii needs to come out. The $4000 camera is going to take the wind out of sales of the $6500 camera. I'd really like to see an a9 III. 24ish MP with this processor would be nuts. Maybe Sony can even get it as fast aa the R6 II.
SONY most likely will bring the A1ll with the same sensor and the AI chip. This would be in line using the same sensor for two generations. They may also integrate some fixed memory. Doing a lot of live concert shooting at constant change of light situations and fast moving poeple, the A1 and A9 are so far the cameras I am using. I have not yet used the A7RV in such a situation, but my feeling is, that the sensor is just to slow. Stickyness is not realy an isssue with people tracking. Also low light performance is important, as in some situations ISO is at 12800 and higher. Concert photography is a real challenge for any camera.
@@renestaempfli1071 exactly, Sony wont change sensor, just complement with AI, its largely enough for mostly. Meanwhile, Sony will buy time to do R&D for next generation sensors for the future.
🤣 I just upgraded from the A7R to the A7R III (£1,600, new one, got £595 for the A7R so £1k out of pocket). Will try to get a decade out of that. Then upgrade to the A7R V... in ten years.
The III is still a great camera. I was just at a location where I first used the a7R taking pics of my family. It is a local farm/cafe. I had a nikon, um, maybe D3s at the time and picking up the a7R I was like "everything has changed. Mirrorless is the future." The III is a lot better than that was :)
@@davetriesthis The 7r was a dog. I left it in a box for at least six years, I'd forgotten I had it. My camera of choice was the Pentax K-1, an absolute marvel. Recently sold all the Pentax gear whilst they're still in business. For sheer joy of shooting, to this day nothing came close, although it did have a few critical shortcomings.
we can live without ai and the flippy screen. rolling shutter and no 4k120 is a no no for me
Flip screen is big for me because of receding myself for KZhead but you're right it's not a big deal for portrait work. :)
Unicorn?😭💔🤣 🦄
First person who noticed. Thank you.
@@davetriesthis okay Sir😅 but this Unicorn is a Shortage of Something in autofocus system or it's Just for Fun😅 thank you🙏🏽
You’re not even mentioning all the crops in the a7rv. That only makes that camera trash.
Sorry, which crops? There are no crops in stills, and the Super 35 crops are the same as APS=C is natively. A crop in video makes a camera _trash_ ?
A75 will take few decades if not centuries untill all the grass eating dinosaurs come back home. I wish they make these features more affordable and bring them faster to market.
The a7 stays in the market until people stop buying them. :) The IV was Amazon's top camera for sooo long. No financial reason to replace it. But I'll put money on 2023.
@@davetriesthis A7IV was realsed after a long wait and anticipation. I use a a7iii works well for my usecase streets cityscape portraits. I will probably sell a7iii and get an a7rV or a9iii if that comes out next year. A9iii will very likely have a 33mp stacked sensor.
An a9III would really show off this af system.
Sony a1 is way way better
"The Sony a1 is much better than the a7RV." Not exactly. #sony #sonyalpha #sonya7rV
@@davetriesthis love the video reply!
Let’s unpack “way way better”. What’s the first way and then what’s the second way?